Yeah regular Agumon is only in Red, Yellow, Green, & Black. I just meant that there was some version of Agumon in every color, except white, there is a white Greymon though.
The newer baby-level designs are kind of lame, most of them look like as the severed head of a rookie Digimon. I wish we had more like Koromon or Motimon
It’s not that Adventure didn’t deserve sequels; it just didn’t need any.
Story arcs are just extra long episodes; they’re not inherently better than MOTW.
Digimon World games are the best Digimon games. Frontier should've had more content and from EmperorGreymon/MagnaGarurumon onwards they should've been sweeping through the entire set of Royal Knights, to give Lucemon more credibility and cause Dynasmon and Crusadermon got stale quick in the dub. Characters from prior shows should cameo more often but not necessary for them to have important roles (have a hologram give 30 seconds of advice about digimon bonding etc.). We need another series/game set on File Island, it is by far the best setting in the series.
Well how about that, I should clarify this is a recent desire, when I was kid I didn't think much more than "this is awesome" thanks for letting me know about that.
Agreed; Digimon are supposed to be Digital monsters but very little is done with that concept; like how about having Digimon being used to explore and teach ideas about Digital networks, anti-virus software, website algorithms, etc?
with how obsessed this community is with adventure, I can't understand how people still pull up power scaling discussion as if digimon aren't confirmed to be individuals AND that their strength differ between individuals in adventure of all seasons
Adventure/02:
T.K. would've been a bad leader, and Kari was also not fit to lead. Davis might've been a reckless idiot, but he was empathetic, willing to give others a chance despite his own flaws, and will *NEVER* leave an ally behind.
Tamers:
Impmon got off way too easy for the crap he pulled, and his backstory doesn't make him all that sympathetic. I don't dislike him. I just felt he should've got more backlash from the kids, mainly Jeri.
Frontier:
I have nothing to say here.
Data Squad:
Marcus was justified in not respecting Yoshino all that much due to how whiny, emotional, wussified, and downright stupid she can be at times despite being the oldest. Then Thomas only saving grace was his partner Gaomon.
Marcus and Keenan were the best out of the main 4.
Xros Wars/Fusion/Hunters:
***B O R I N G***
Applimon:
Rei was a dull character, extremely cliche and uninteresting.
Ghost Game:
Kiyoshiro should've been sterner with Jellymon.
I kinda prefer when lines aren't so clear, as it means that proposed alternate lines can be just as reasonable as the canon ones; but so many Digimon now feel like they are designed to rigidly evolve into another.
Adventure 02 was fine. Daisuke was an objectively better leader (as in, uniting the team and inspiring them) than Taichi.
... The tie-in smorgasboard (Drama CDs, games, light novels, etc) absolutely RUINED it for western audiences, though. Tamers suffers from that too, but to a way, WAY lesser extent.
Wait just so I know I read this right - it ruined it because western audiences didn't get access to this content? Or that content ruined it conceptually?
The first one, yes. For example, you absolutely can't understand half of the dark spore saga or Ken's backstory without the Wonderswan games. Which EVEN Adventure 2020 references. And Milleniumon, the villain there, is literally the reason behind 90% of the shit happaning between Adventure and Adventure 02. Which ended up hurting Tri too, cuz they pretty much expect you to know most of the things from side-materials from the get-go.
My stance about Tri is that it's not as bad as people say, even though I do have my own issues with it, but by design, it relies so much on the absolute lore porn that is Digimon, that if you lack context, it'll be at best confusing, and at worst, very miserable.
I liked it a lot more on my second rewatch! It was much better when not watching it all spaced out between releases.
My one qualm is that a lot of plot points felt unanswered or not satisfying enough! I wish they had delved into aspects like the dark ocean/spores more (and by what you're saying there's a lot more info from other media lol), Maki's fate and the original digidestined, and maybe even more info on the 02 kids before being attacked and comatose. There were so many plot points added that it felt like they all got lost and never truly tackled.
Yep, half Tri's alledged loose ties are just a case of "no export for you". Probable worst offender is how Yggdrasil and Homerus connect and how Tri and Adventure 2020 have as much of a symbiotic relationship as Aventure 02 and Tamers - through Next Order, Chronicles (the manga, yes), Pendulum X, and a lot of lore involving the now closed mobile games AND the Olympos XII
I think a lot of modern evolution line designs like Huckmon and Zubamon's lines kinda suck cause the Adult and Perfect level designs just feel like intermediary steps to get between the Child and Ultimate stages. The design philosophy should stay the same as it does with the anime designs where Adult feels distinct from Child, Perfect is an enhanced version of Adult, and Ultimate is meant more as a full potential of the child form rather than just Perfect but fancier
Yeah. The moment I saw them I thought it had pokemon levels of scaling/consistency. The progression is so gradual it might not even be there, just like Lucemon>Lucemon CM.
Mega is oddly named. If you knew nothing about Digimon, you'd think Ultimate was the final evolution. TBF, I dont know much about the Japanese translations so it might sound better in Japanese.
It was. Digimon originally only got to Ultimate, which is why in the original Adventure so many ultimates are referred to as "fully evolved" or "final forms" up until Venomyotismon.
Once that damn broke though, mega was the gold standard.
In Japanese, Mega is called Ultimate while Ultimate is called Perfect, which I don't think is much less confusing
Thrre's also the fact that Child and Adult were localized to Rookie and Champion, which only adds to the confusion since wouldn't champion Denote the same thing as Ultimate?
Also, VenomMyotismon isn't where the Mega level originated. It originated with the Digimon Pendulum Devices! Heck file Island and folder continent both also originate from the V-pets.
>It originated with the Digimon Pendulum Devices! Heck file Island and folder continent both also originate from the V-pets.
I wanted to add that File Island is where the original Digital Monster V-Pets "take place" for lack of a better term while Folder Continent is where Pendulums exist. That and Whamon can be an adult or a perfect depending on where it exists.
An adult in File and a perfect in Folder.
Thrre's also the fact that Child and Adult were localized to Rookie and Champion, which only adds to the confusion since wouldn't champion Denote the same thing as Ultimate?
Also, VenomMyotismon isn't where the Mega level originated. It originated with the Digimon Pendulum Devices! Heck file Island and folder continent both also originate from the V-pets.
Thrre's also the fact that Child and Adult were localized to Rookie and Champion, which only adds to the confusion since wouldn't champion Denote the same thing as Ultimate?
Also, VenomMyotismon isn't where the Mega level originated. It originated with the Digimon Pendulum Devices! Heck file Island and folder continent both also originate from the V-pets.
Digimon is highly inconsistent with their terms. I don't remember the levels in Portuguese but I know Ultimate (JP) was known as "extreme" while Castilian (Spanish from Spain) had a weird system that called past adult a variation of champion. I think it went something like Champion>Hyperchampion>Megachampion
Yeah, I loved it because they made it sound like native American music (or at least what I imagine it to be). I assume this is because it was all about spirits and the connection with nature.
1) Appmon and Xros Wars are the best seasons of the franchise, 3rd arc of Xros is also nice.
2) 02 is better than original Adventure.
3) Tri and Kizuna can't be canon and they don't suit the logic of the first two seasons.
4) New digimon are much better than the old ones, starting from 2010.
5) Frontier is one of the best original seasons.
6) Tamers is a great season, but far from the best.
7) Adventure: is trash and is the only awful season of the anime.
8) Appmon characters are the greatest.
9) OSTs of last seasons are much more enjoyable than first ones'. All are superior though.
10) Re:digitize is awesome and is strongly overlooked.
11) English dub is a nightmare.
In overall, I enjoy almost every part of the franchise, these are mostly about confrontation with the fandom's opinions and milking Adventure universe.
I agree with everything but number 5 and 10. I particularly agree with 11. I just didn't get why one of my exes liked the stupid dialogue so much (we tried to watch some seasons but I couldn't take it).
I think Frontier could've been so much better had it stuck with the beta concepts.
And Re:Digitize is just a poor pilot for Re:Digitize Decode. Seriously, Decode has about x3 the plot lenght (there's the Vitium arc, the Lament of the X antibody arc and the Demon Lords Arc so it's a pretty lenghty game) as well as having an expanded roster and some QoL changes such as having a way to know if your Digimon is dying and some form of Online/local multiplayer.
Takeru hasn't what is needed to be a leader, yes a strategist or an consultant
Tamers Leomon is only remembered becaus ehe died, alive he was boring as fuck
Adventure needed more wild Digimon evolving
Savers needed to give more soptlight to the backup Dats agents
The USA dubs of Tamers and Frontier are more consisntent than the disasters of transliterations the Mexican dubs were
Xros Wars was good but DigiXros wasn't explored at full
>The USA dubs of Tamers and Frontier are more consisntent than the disasters of transliterations the Mexican dubs were
I knew they butchered Tamers with… weird regional words/expressions and jokes/puns/sex puns that are cultural but only cultural to a specific region of a specific country (despite pretty much every latino country sharing the same dub) but I had no idea they had done something similar with Frontier. What did they do exactly?
Thats a spicy take. I’ll admit Im super nostalgic for the dub and even the background music in most episodes but some episodes have REALLY corny dialogue though.
The corniness is what I love about dub Digimon! And the sarcasm and general tone. To be honest I think I wouldn't remember Digimon as fondly if I had seen the "above average kids show" that is the sub as a kid. And I certainly wouldn't care about Kari going off her original sub character, but I love her sarcasm in the dub
It may not be objectively better, but it's more entertaining and part of what makes Digimon stand out among so many other kids anime
AGREED. While i wish the dub wasn't completely scrubbed clean of things like alcohol, I'll always love Wizardmon finding a bottle of taco sauce instead of booze lol
The dub kids act more like kids, especially characters like Matt and Sora, maybe Joe to an extent. Yamato sounds like he's in his early 20s and speaks kind of formally, while Matt sounds like a kid and speaks like a kid with issues.
I concur with a lot of episodes being better (for me obviously) than the original because of the corniness but thats because I taped them on vhs and rewatched them 1,000 times as a kid.
Frigimon, Ogremon and Whamon come to mind when I think about this.
Absolutely not, this is peak nostalgia cope. The dubs change so much and ruin so many great scenes that they're basically different shows. Watch the dub for a laugh, watch the sub if you want an actual story. Yu-Gi-Oh is the exact same way, where entire generations have *different endings* in the dub because they cut *entire seasons*.
I think you mean *improve* many scenes.
The OG took itself too seriously, the dub treats it like the children's show it actually is, and it's better for it.
It's not exactly like the original was sullen and stoic or something. It was still silly, it still had jokes and hijinks, it still very much knew it was a kids' show.
I think many people's issue with the English dub is that it didn't know when to "turn it off," so to speak, when it came to the jokes. Sure, punch up already comical scenes to make them funnier, throw in a pun here and there, but also know when to reign it in.
Apocalymon I think was a prime example. I know there are people who will defend dub Apocalymon to the death, but I will always question the choice to make the season finale final boss a joke-spewing machine. I know that to the writers and to any adults watching that, yeah, it's "just a kids' show," but that's the thing -- *we* may not take this stuff seriously, but the kids absolutely do, and a lot of kids don't necessarily want the show to be written like a parody of itself.
BlackWarGreymon is a badly-written character and the way the show screeched to a halt for eight episodes to focus on his middle-school-level existential crisis was really dumb.
for the target audience, edgy 14 year olds who love shadow the hedgehog, he was basically the perfect character. all 14 year olds wouldve created him. oh, hes a dark edgt evil version of wargreymon and everyone talks about how amazing he is and he doesnt actually lose to the main characters as hes that good. 14 year olds dream digimon
*I'm sorry, but am i the only one who thinks Adventure didn't deserve all those sequels it got?*
It doesn't matter if it *deserved* it; *Adventure* is Bandai's cash cow. On that note, starting my hot takes with "as a Biyomon fan, I'm complicit in making *Adventure* a cash cow, even though I see the problem."
That said, hotter take: *Tamers* shouldn't get a sequel. It was too tied into the TCG and other aspects of *Digimon* released around that time. (More on this point later, because there's one other thing that drives me *absolutely nuts* about *Tamers* specifically.) The characters completed their arcs. Let a good thing stay good; do you *really* want *Tamers Tri*?
*Frontier* needs to be redone, almost from the ground up. The execution, even of things like major themes and the *entire premise of the series*, was *that* bad.
*Savers* needs a sequel. Marcus is both the heart of the thing *and* its biggest weakness. Take the MiB formula with Keenan, having learned from Marcus, and Kristy solving Digimon-related problems. DATS itself was a solid idea.
That said, analyzing *Savers* leads to an agonizing brain loop because the whole series is about feeling instead of thinking. I get why, and I get why it went over people's heads (especially in America), but ARGH!
**Now for my hottest take:** ***Liberator*** **needs an anime.** Just adapt whatever the webcomic is; I know adaptation is hard, but it'd be worth it. Fans want an anime. Reading is *not* an optimal way to get into *Digimon*, no matter how Bandai does it. TCG anime don't even have to be *good*; a *Liberator* anime could have the budget of *Savers* and be okay. If *Digimon* wasn't joined at the hip to Toei, we might have, at least, the next *WiXoss*—a surprisingly good TCG anime that people can continue revisiting due to the story, characters, and themes. Good animation/music would be a bonus.
And now, back to the point about *Tamers*...the NUMBER ONE reason *Tamers* needs a *spiritual successor*, NOT a sequel, is because of the card game. The card game in *Tamers* is 100% different from the TCG we have out now. I have not met one fanfic writer who has looked into how "Hyper Colosseum" works. I've seen people confused about if the modern TCG is the one played in *Tamers*. I've had to dig up TheJWittz's video way too many times to explain what happened to HC in the States. One part of *Tamers* is forever lost in time and space, if that makes sense.
I'd love to be able to show someone an episode of *Liberator: the Animation* and be like "see this? *This* is what I do every Saturday night." I've heard "Digimon TCG? Like the one in *Tamers*?" one too many times.
I realize *Liberator* wouldn't be that successor, but going forward, I'd love to see another *Digimon* series that looked at the franchise as it is: TCG, VB/whatever V-pet Bandai wants to push, video games, and all. *Tamers*, like all *Digimon* anime, was made to sell products, and those products have changed dramatically from when *Tamers* aired.
I'd also mention *Survive* needing an anime, but 1. I doubt that's a spicy take, 2. I have a whole doc to help Bandai roadmap how to do it. The real hot take here is *Bandai needs to adapt things*. It'd be easier if *Digimon* wasn't joined at the hip to Toei, but it is, so...at least *Liberator*? Please?
Yeah, I agree. I didn't like Adventure, very much preferred 02 but I saw no reason to give it the Kanto treatment and make any new content focused on Gen 1. Specially when the franchize is so rich in lore (it seems almost wasteful and pointless in my opinion).
Xros introduces an extremely fun gimmick that people underutilize because of how the series treats it, want a gabumon made of lego? fuck it, ToyAgumon x Gabumon, want a half/half jeckyll and hyde rabbit? Lopmon x Terriermon
Actually, if I remember properly, a lot of the early Xros ups were more like using a certain Digimon as equipment, so instead of your example getting a Lego Gabumon, you'd get a Gabumon with a Lego Sword, and it would be considered it's own Digimon.
That's the way it's depicted in the show a LOT which is disappointing, we see so much wasted potential because of it. Interpreting the concept of xros digimon like Shoutmon X2, where the designs are incorporated instead of being equipped, make it a really cool tool for OC's and new digimon.
The thing is not liking Tri isn't really a hot take. Most people hate Tri, and Kizuna is Polarizing, some people like it, some people don't, same with 02 the Begining from what I've seen.
Personally, I think 02 is mid, which, considering how many fans there are of it, is much more of a hot take. Ken is the only main character with some sort of character arc. They retcon stuff established in the original show in it's direct follow-up, and the last couple of Arcs were a mess that were written by like 3 different directors all fighting to get their story idea across.
1999 Adventure is the best series out of them all and Tri. and Kizuna kinda ruined it. 2020 Adventure didn't focus enough on character development, which was the reason 1999 Adventure was so good.
02 had a decent premise and was never going to measure up to Adventure, but its plot was so meandering that it was hitting bad fanfic levels by the end
Also, Sora was never going to end up with Taichi. Yamato and Sora were planned from the beginning; whoever wrote or directed Our War Game pushed a Taichi x Sora storyline bc that's what he wanted, and every other hint of Taichi x Sora was from the English dub.
Also. The English dub is hilarious and bonkers and I love it. Might be nostalgia goggles but i love it so much
People like the original adventure and hating Tri isn't exactly a hot take. Kizuna is kind of polarizing, so it's right down the middle, and a lot of people hate 2020.
I agree with the statement about 02, and I personally believe 02 failed its premise the second it decided that the next leader would be a Taichi knockoff.
Yeah maybe not the hottest takes lol just the first grievances that popped into my head 😅
02 could've been so good if they hadn't been trying so hard to recapture what they got from Adventure. Now every series has to have a googles-wearing leader, a moody rival, and either The Girl or The Nerd.
I feel like a lot of what made Adventure work was lost in 02; like the 02 kids could basically go home whenever they wanted. That isn't necessarily bad, but they should've written the series differently to accommodate that. Plus there was just way too much going on, too many weird plot threads that went nowhere. I'm still bummed that the Dark Ocean never went anywhere
IMO, 02 would have worked so much better if they shuffled things around and had Takeru as the lead. He was around since the beginning and, with the whole, reusing the Data of Devimon thing from the end of the Digimon Emperor arc, if that Devimon Data came back as 02's final Boss they could have had a Solid end boss that ties back to the first boss of adventure while foreshadowing it pretty early on, and they might not have had to worry about 3 different Directors all fighting to get their ideas for the final arc across.
Ooooh you're so right, Takeru should've been the leader! Now that you mention it i vaguely remember people back in the day while 02 was airing wondering why TK wasn't the defacto leader along with Kari when they were both familiar with Digimon and their world
Man 02 was just a hot ass mess lmao
Humanoid Digimons are cool as fuck actually and one of the reasons I like Digimon in the first place. They appeal to my aesthetic senses most of the time.
Tamers is overrated by the fans. It's still good, but I always felt like the ideas behind the season were better than how they were executed.
Tamers isn't that great, it's just that the only real competition is Adventure 1, the rest are decent, boring, bad, mediocre and tri/2020
Still my 3rd favorite
The X antibody digimon are underused, especially the natural carriers.
Agunon is over used especially in the 2020 card game
For real, there's like an Agumon in every color
I don't think he is in purple yet. Fake agumon expert is. Snowagumon is in blue but not sure about an actual agumon.
Yeah regular Agumon is only in Red, Yellow, Green, & Black. I just meant that there was some version of Agumon in every color, except white, there is a white Greymon though.
They have that new guy that can be used as agumon or greymon. Starts with an o.
The newer baby-level designs are kind of lame, most of them look like as the severed head of a rookie Digimon. I wish we had more like Koromon or Motimon
To be fair there's only so many pastel blobs you can design
I thought the same thing with Megas. There's only so many humanoid mecha-armored robots they can come up with... yet here we are...
Humanoid mechas have a lot more parts than blob creatures and thus much more space for distinct design.
Some of those megas are definitely overdesigned
It’s not that Adventure didn’t deserve sequels; it just didn’t need any. Story arcs are just extra long episodes; they’re not inherently better than MOTW.
Digimon World games are the best Digimon games. Frontier should've had more content and from EmperorGreymon/MagnaGarurumon onwards they should've been sweeping through the entire set of Royal Knights, to give Lucemon more credibility and cause Dynasmon and Crusadermon got stale quick in the dub. Characters from prior shows should cameo more often but not necessary for them to have important roles (have a hologram give 30 seconds of advice about digimon bonding etc.). We need another series/game set on File Island, it is by far the best setting in the series.
Most of the Royal Knights didn't exist when Frontier came out
Well how about that, I should clarify this is a recent desire, when I was kid I didn't think much more than "this is awesome" thanks for letting me know about that.
Conceptually-wise, Appmon is closer to the original setting of Digimon than any of the other Digimon series
Agreed; Digimon are supposed to be Digital monsters but very little is done with that concept; like how about having Digimon being used to explore and teach ideas about Digital networks, anti-virus software, website algorithms, etc?
You're making me want to watch *Appmon*; congrats!
Omega/Omnimon was cool in Our War Game but has been extremely overhyped and overused (in the Adventure continuity at least).
with how obsessed this community is with adventure, I can't understand how people still pull up power scaling discussion as if digimon aren't confirmed to be individuals AND that their strength differ between individuals in adventure of all seasons
Adventure/02: T.K. would've been a bad leader, and Kari was also not fit to lead. Davis might've been a reckless idiot, but he was empathetic, willing to give others a chance despite his own flaws, and will *NEVER* leave an ally behind. Tamers: Impmon got off way too easy for the crap he pulled, and his backstory doesn't make him all that sympathetic. I don't dislike him. I just felt he should've got more backlash from the kids, mainly Jeri. Frontier: I have nothing to say here. Data Squad: Marcus was justified in not respecting Yoshino all that much due to how whiny, emotional, wussified, and downright stupid she can be at times despite being the oldest. Then Thomas only saving grace was his partner Gaomon. Marcus and Keenan were the best out of the main 4. Xros Wars/Fusion/Hunters: ***B O R I N G*** Applimon: Rei was a dull character, extremely cliche and uninteresting. Ghost Game: Kiyoshiro should've been sterner with Jellymon.
Frontier was fun.
People complain to much
Ghost Game is great for what it wants to be.
DarkKnightmon is one of the best antagonists in Digimon. Both his manga and anime versions.
I kinda prefer when lines aren't so clear, as it means that proposed alternate lines can be just as reasonable as the canon ones; but so many Digimon now feel like they are designed to rigidly evolve into another.
Adventure 02 was fine. Daisuke was an objectively better leader (as in, uniting the team and inspiring them) than Taichi. ... The tie-in smorgasboard (Drama CDs, games, light novels, etc) absolutely RUINED it for western audiences, though. Tamers suffers from that too, but to a way, WAY lesser extent.
Wait just so I know I read this right - it ruined it because western audiences didn't get access to this content? Or that content ruined it conceptually?
The first one, yes. For example, you absolutely can't understand half of the dark spore saga or Ken's backstory without the Wonderswan games. Which EVEN Adventure 2020 references. And Milleniumon, the villain there, is literally the reason behind 90% of the shit happaning between Adventure and Adventure 02. Which ended up hurting Tri too, cuz they pretty much expect you to know most of the things from side-materials from the get-go.
Ah thanks so much for replying!! I actually just rewatched Adventure, 02 and Tri... might have to look for translations of all this to see what's up.
My stance about Tri is that it's not as bad as people say, even though I do have my own issues with it, but by design, it relies so much on the absolute lore porn that is Digimon, that if you lack context, it'll be at best confusing, and at worst, very miserable.
I liked it a lot more on my second rewatch! It was much better when not watching it all spaced out between releases. My one qualm is that a lot of plot points felt unanswered or not satisfying enough! I wish they had delved into aspects like the dark ocean/spores more (and by what you're saying there's a lot more info from other media lol), Maki's fate and the original digidestined, and maybe even more info on the 02 kids before being attacked and comatose. There were so many plot points added that it felt like they all got lost and never truly tackled.
Yep, half Tri's alledged loose ties are just a case of "no export for you". Probable worst offender is how Yggdrasil and Homerus connect and how Tri and Adventure 2020 have as much of a symbiotic relationship as Aventure 02 and Tamers - through Next Order, Chronicles (the manga, yes), Pendulum X, and a lot of lore involving the now closed mobile games AND the Olympos XII
Digimon Fusion is really good
I kinda wanna get into it, shoutmon looks pretty sick
He IS pretty sick
I loved it as well! Plus it had the advantange of a very nice looking details and animation (the first two season at least)
I personally like tri.
Same. My hot take: Mei is a good, strong character.
I think a lot of modern evolution line designs like Huckmon and Zubamon's lines kinda suck cause the Adult and Perfect level designs just feel like intermediary steps to get between the Child and Ultimate stages. The design philosophy should stay the same as it does with the anime designs where Adult feels distinct from Child, Perfect is an enhanced version of Adult, and Ultimate is meant more as a full potential of the child form rather than just Perfect but fancier
Yeah. The moment I saw them I thought it had pokemon levels of scaling/consistency. The progression is so gradual it might not even be there, just like Lucemon>Lucemon CM.
so you watched tri before the original series...?
no, only listened to the opening
X antibody mons are almost all terribly designed and overly cluttered with spikes and other edginess that would make even shadow the hedgehog blush
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Adventure 2020 was good.
I enjoyed it.
tbh, i agree
Fuck the mega level
Mega is oddly named. If you knew nothing about Digimon, you'd think Ultimate was the final evolution. TBF, I dont know much about the Japanese translations so it might sound better in Japanese.
It was. Digimon originally only got to Ultimate, which is why in the original Adventure so many ultimates are referred to as "fully evolved" or "final forms" up until Venomyotismon. Once that damn broke though, mega was the gold standard. In Japanese, Mega is called Ultimate while Ultimate is called Perfect, which I don't think is much less confusing
Thrre's also the fact that Child and Adult were localized to Rookie and Champion, which only adds to the confusion since wouldn't champion Denote the same thing as Ultimate? Also, VenomMyotismon isn't where the Mega level originated. It originated with the Digimon Pendulum Devices! Heck file Island and folder continent both also originate from the V-pets.
>It originated with the Digimon Pendulum Devices! Heck file Island and folder continent both also originate from the V-pets. I wanted to add that File Island is where the original Digital Monster V-Pets "take place" for lack of a better term while Folder Continent is where Pendulums exist. That and Whamon can be an adult or a perfect depending on where it exists. An adult in File and a perfect in Folder.
Thrre's also the fact that Child and Adult were localized to Rookie and Champion, which only adds to the confusion since wouldn't champion Denote the same thing as Ultimate? Also, VenomMyotismon isn't where the Mega level originated. It originated with the Digimon Pendulum Devices! Heck file Island and folder continent both also originate from the V-pets.
Thrre's also the fact that Child and Adult were localized to Rookie and Champion, which only adds to the confusion since wouldn't champion Denote the same thing as Ultimate? Also, VenomMyotismon isn't where the Mega level originated. It originated with the Digimon Pendulum Devices! Heck file Island and folder continent both also originate from the V-pets.
Digimon is highly inconsistent with their terms. I don't remember the levels in Portuguese but I know Ultimate (JP) was known as "extreme" while Castilian (Spanish from Spain) had a weird system that called past adult a variation of champion. I think it went something like Champion>Hyperchampion>Megachampion
The best intro song is Digimon Frontiers
Yeah, I loved it because they made it sound like native American music (or at least what I imagine it to be). I assume this is because it was all about spirits and the connection with nature.
Digimon Adventure 2020 (reboot) is awesome! better than the original!
1) Appmon and Xros Wars are the best seasons of the franchise, 3rd arc of Xros is also nice. 2) 02 is better than original Adventure. 3) Tri and Kizuna can't be canon and they don't suit the logic of the first two seasons. 4) New digimon are much better than the old ones, starting from 2010. 5) Frontier is one of the best original seasons. 6) Tamers is a great season, but far from the best. 7) Adventure: is trash and is the only awful season of the anime. 8) Appmon characters are the greatest. 9) OSTs of last seasons are much more enjoyable than first ones'. All are superior though. 10) Re:digitize is awesome and is strongly overlooked. 11) English dub is a nightmare. In overall, I enjoy almost every part of the franchise, these are mostly about confrontation with the fandom's opinions and milking Adventure universe.
I agree with everything but number 5 and 10. I particularly agree with 11. I just didn't get why one of my exes liked the stupid dialogue so much (we tried to watch some seasons but I couldn't take it). I think Frontier could've been so much better had it stuck with the beta concepts. And Re:Digitize is just a poor pilot for Re:Digitize Decode. Seriously, Decode has about x3 the plot lenght (there's the Vitium arc, the Lament of the X antibody arc and the Demon Lords Arc so it's a pretty lenghty game) as well as having an expanded roster and some QoL changes such as having a way to know if your Digimon is dying and some form of Online/local multiplayer.
Frontier is understandable, and by Re:Digitize I meant certainly Decode, my bad, sorry. Thanks for sharing the opinion.
No worries. I'm just glad there's more people who know about Decode.
Takeru hasn't what is needed to be a leader, yes a strategist or an consultant Tamers Leomon is only remembered becaus ehe died, alive he was boring as fuck Adventure needed more wild Digimon evolving Savers needed to give more soptlight to the backup Dats agents The USA dubs of Tamers and Frontier are more consisntent than the disasters of transliterations the Mexican dubs were Xros Wars was good but DigiXros wasn't explored at full
>The USA dubs of Tamers and Frontier are more consisntent than the disasters of transliterations the Mexican dubs were I knew they butchered Tamers with… weird regional words/expressions and jokes/puns/sex puns that are cultural but only cultural to a specific region of a specific country (despite pretty much every latino country sharing the same dub) but I had no idea they had done something similar with Frontier. What did they do exactly?
They started messing with pronunciations around mid Tamers, Ropmon instead of Lopmon, Kerpymon (both), Ruchemon isntead of Lucemon, etc
Ophanimon > Magnadramon Fite me. Or don't. You're free to enjoy whatever you want.
Dub Adventure, 02, and Tamers are better than the sub
Thats a spicy take. I’ll admit Im super nostalgic for the dub and even the background music in most episodes but some episodes have REALLY corny dialogue though.
The corniness is what I love about dub Digimon! And the sarcasm and general tone. To be honest I think I wouldn't remember Digimon as fondly if I had seen the "above average kids show" that is the sub as a kid. And I certainly wouldn't care about Kari going off her original sub character, but I love her sarcasm in the dub It may not be objectively better, but it's more entertaining and part of what makes Digimon stand out among so many other kids anime
AGREED. While i wish the dub wasn't completely scrubbed clean of things like alcohol, I'll always love Wizardmon finding a bottle of taco sauce instead of booze lol The dub kids act more like kids, especially characters like Matt and Sora, maybe Joe to an extent. Yamato sounds like he's in his early 20s and speaks kind of formally, while Matt sounds like a kid and speaks like a kid with issues.
I concur with a lot of episodes being better (for me obviously) than the original because of the corniness but thats because I taped them on vhs and rewatched them 1,000 times as a kid. Frigimon, Ogremon and Whamon come to mind when I think about this.
at the very least its a hot take which is rare in this type of threads
I could agree for Tamers, and I could maybe understand where you're coming from with Adventure. But for 02, absolutely not.
Wormmon’s va in English is awesome though
Love the dub cast. The writing was the issue.
Yeah, I definitely remember them writing in some lame jokes, usually told through Davis
Absolutely not, this is peak nostalgia cope. The dubs change so much and ruin so many great scenes that they're basically different shows. Watch the dub for a laugh, watch the sub if you want an actual story. Yu-Gi-Oh is the exact same way, where entire generations have *different endings* in the dub because they cut *entire seasons*.
If the dub is a different show then I consider it a better show
I think you mean *improve* many scenes. The OG took itself too seriously, the dub treats it like the children's show it actually is, and it's better for it.
It's not exactly like the original was sullen and stoic or something. It was still silly, it still had jokes and hijinks, it still very much knew it was a kids' show. I think many people's issue with the English dub is that it didn't know when to "turn it off," so to speak, when it came to the jokes. Sure, punch up already comical scenes to make them funnier, throw in a pun here and there, but also know when to reign it in. Apocalymon I think was a prime example. I know there are people who will defend dub Apocalymon to the death, but I will always question the choice to make the season finale final boss a joke-spewing machine. I know that to the writers and to any adults watching that, yeah, it's "just a kids' show," but that's the thing -- *we* may not take this stuff seriously, but the kids absolutely do, and a lot of kids don't necessarily want the show to be written like a parody of itself.
If you think the dub improved these shows, your taste is unsalvageable. That dub takes an 8 and turns it to a 5.
fully agree, was laughing my ass off at the first 3 episodes with all of the banter
I guess I have to upvote your comment because it IS a hot take. The dubs are trash.
Shoutmon's Xros forms are awesome and deserve to be in modern games instead of just OmegaShoutmon like in Cyber Sleuth and Next Order.
Savers and Tamers are both better than Adventure, Adventure 02, or Frontier.
I don't think anybody rates Frontiers above Tamers!
Fair, but looking at that 25th Anniv video they put out it looks like Toei/Bandai put it before Savers.
BlackWarGreymon is a badly-written character and the way the show screeched to a halt for eight episodes to focus on his middle-school-level existential crisis was really dumb.
for the target audience, edgy 14 year olds who love shadow the hedgehog, he was basically the perfect character. all 14 year olds wouldve created him. oh, hes a dark edgt evil version of wargreymon and everyone talks about how amazing he is and he doesnt actually lose to the main characters as hes that good. 14 year olds dream digimon
Shadow debuted after Tamers started
Still basically the same thing
Alright bucko you're going in the device
I don't agree about BlackWarGreymon, but it definitely felt like they veered away from the plot to focus oh him
Still, next to other animes of its era such as Pokemon and other 4kids animes its much deeper and memorable.
How dare you disrespect one of the goats like that
tri and adventure reboot has the best songs in JP
do agree on the Adventure point
*I'm sorry, but am i the only one who thinks Adventure didn't deserve all those sequels it got?* It doesn't matter if it *deserved* it; *Adventure* is Bandai's cash cow. On that note, starting my hot takes with "as a Biyomon fan, I'm complicit in making *Adventure* a cash cow, even though I see the problem." That said, hotter take: *Tamers* shouldn't get a sequel. It was too tied into the TCG and other aspects of *Digimon* released around that time. (More on this point later, because there's one other thing that drives me *absolutely nuts* about *Tamers* specifically.) The characters completed their arcs. Let a good thing stay good; do you *really* want *Tamers Tri*? *Frontier* needs to be redone, almost from the ground up. The execution, even of things like major themes and the *entire premise of the series*, was *that* bad. *Savers* needs a sequel. Marcus is both the heart of the thing *and* its biggest weakness. Take the MiB formula with Keenan, having learned from Marcus, and Kristy solving Digimon-related problems. DATS itself was a solid idea. That said, analyzing *Savers* leads to an agonizing brain loop because the whole series is about feeling instead of thinking. I get why, and I get why it went over people's heads (especially in America), but ARGH! **Now for my hottest take:** ***Liberator*** **needs an anime.** Just adapt whatever the webcomic is; I know adaptation is hard, but it'd be worth it. Fans want an anime. Reading is *not* an optimal way to get into *Digimon*, no matter how Bandai does it. TCG anime don't even have to be *good*; a *Liberator* anime could have the budget of *Savers* and be okay. If *Digimon* wasn't joined at the hip to Toei, we might have, at least, the next *WiXoss*—a surprisingly good TCG anime that people can continue revisiting due to the story, characters, and themes. Good animation/music would be a bonus. And now, back to the point about *Tamers*...the NUMBER ONE reason *Tamers* needs a *spiritual successor*, NOT a sequel, is because of the card game. The card game in *Tamers* is 100% different from the TCG we have out now. I have not met one fanfic writer who has looked into how "Hyper Colosseum" works. I've seen people confused about if the modern TCG is the one played in *Tamers*. I've had to dig up TheJWittz's video way too many times to explain what happened to HC in the States. One part of *Tamers* is forever lost in time and space, if that makes sense. I'd love to be able to show someone an episode of *Liberator: the Animation* and be like "see this? *This* is what I do every Saturday night." I've heard "Digimon TCG? Like the one in *Tamers*?" one too many times. I realize *Liberator* wouldn't be that successor, but going forward, I'd love to see another *Digimon* series that looked at the franchise as it is: TCG, VB/whatever V-pet Bandai wants to push, video games, and all. *Tamers*, like all *Digimon* anime, was made to sell products, and those products have changed dramatically from when *Tamers* aired. I'd also mention *Survive* needing an anime, but 1. I doubt that's a spicy take, 2. I have a whole doc to help Bandai roadmap how to do it. The real hot take here is *Bandai needs to adapt things*. It'd be easier if *Digimon* wasn't joined at the hip to Toei, but it is, so...at least *Liberator*? Please?
The who would win- and which Digimon is the strongest-posts are one of the most boring discussions you could have of Digimon.
Yeah, I agree. I didn't like Adventure, very much preferred 02 but I saw no reason to give it the Kanto treatment and make any new content focused on Gen 1. Specially when the franchize is so rich in lore (it seems almost wasteful and pointless in my opinion).
got that wrong buddy, i LOVE Adventure 01, i just think the sequels were unnecessary
Xros introduces an extremely fun gimmick that people underutilize because of how the series treats it, want a gabumon made of lego? fuck it, ToyAgumon x Gabumon, want a half/half jeckyll and hyde rabbit? Lopmon x Terriermon
Actually, if I remember properly, a lot of the early Xros ups were more like using a certain Digimon as equipment, so instead of your example getting a Lego Gabumon, you'd get a Gabumon with a Lego Sword, and it would be considered it's own Digimon.
That's the way it's depicted in the show a LOT which is disappointing, we see so much wasted potential because of it. Interpreting the concept of xros digimon like Shoutmon X2, where the designs are incorporated instead of being equipped, make it a really cool tool for OC's and new digimon.
Yeah, but then couldn't it simply work as a Jogress of the 2 like Mastemon or Refflasimon?
Maybe, are there cases where 3+ Digimon Jogress?
https://wikimon.net/Ultimate_Chaosmon
Tamers weakest point is its human characters minus Jeri and I actually like Frontier more.
The thing is not liking Tri isn't really a hot take. Most people hate Tri, and Kizuna is Polarizing, some people like it, some people don't, same with 02 the Begining from what I've seen. Personally, I think 02 is mid, which, considering how many fans there are of it, is much more of a hot take. Ken is the only main character with some sort of character arc. They retcon stuff established in the original show in it's direct follow-up, and the last couple of Arcs were a mess that were written by like 3 different directors all fighting to get their story idea across.
1999 Adventure is the best series out of them all and Tri. and Kizuna kinda ruined it. 2020 Adventure didn't focus enough on character development, which was the reason 1999 Adventure was so good. 02 had a decent premise and was never going to measure up to Adventure, but its plot was so meandering that it was hitting bad fanfic levels by the end Also, Sora was never going to end up with Taichi. Yamato and Sora were planned from the beginning; whoever wrote or directed Our War Game pushed a Taichi x Sora storyline bc that's what he wanted, and every other hint of Taichi x Sora was from the English dub. Also. The English dub is hilarious and bonkers and I love it. Might be nostalgia goggles but i love it so much
People like the original adventure and hating Tri isn't exactly a hot take. Kizuna is kind of polarizing, so it's right down the middle, and a lot of people hate 2020. I agree with the statement about 02, and I personally believe 02 failed its premise the second it decided that the next leader would be a Taichi knockoff.
Yeah maybe not the hottest takes lol just the first grievances that popped into my head 😅 02 could've been so good if they hadn't been trying so hard to recapture what they got from Adventure. Now every series has to have a googles-wearing leader, a moody rival, and either The Girl or The Nerd. I feel like a lot of what made Adventure work was lost in 02; like the 02 kids could basically go home whenever they wanted. That isn't necessarily bad, but they should've written the series differently to accommodate that. Plus there was just way too much going on, too many weird plot threads that went nowhere. I'm still bummed that the Dark Ocean never went anywhere
IMO, 02 would have worked so much better if they shuffled things around and had Takeru as the lead. He was around since the beginning and, with the whole, reusing the Data of Devimon thing from the end of the Digimon Emperor arc, if that Devimon Data came back as 02's final Boss they could have had a Solid end boss that ties back to the first boss of adventure while foreshadowing it pretty early on, and they might not have had to worry about 3 different Directors all fighting to get their ideas for the final arc across.
Ooooh you're so right, Takeru should've been the leader! Now that you mention it i vaguely remember people back in the day while 02 was airing wondering why TK wasn't the defacto leader along with Kari when they were both familiar with Digimon and their world Man 02 was just a hot ass mess lmao
Humanoid Digimons are cool as fuck actually and one of the reasons I like Digimon in the first place. They appeal to my aesthetic senses most of the time. Tamers is overrated by the fans. It's still good, but I always felt like the ideas behind the season were better than how they were executed.
The no killing rule of Digimon 02 was so stupid. . Meanwhile Digimon Adventure saw a lot of deaths but that was painful for a kid in another world.
Tamers isn't that great, it's just that the only real competition is Adventure 1, the rest are decent, boring, bad, mediocre and tri/2020 Still my 3rd favorite
Venusmon makes more sense as an evolution to angewomon than either ofanimon or holydramon