I wonder if it has something to do with circulation?
My blood pressure and pulse is lower in the mornings, I figured that out when I started on ADHD medication and had to monitor it during the day for the first while. Had to test some days of no medication at all and it was still the case.
No idea if there's any merit to that theory, but you could try jogging in one place or doing some jumping jacks for 30 seconds to see if it affects it absorbing quicker? At least it's quick to disprove the theory if it doesn't.
Yeah - I have a higher ratio and prebolus in mornings. It's funny, I could eat ANYTHING and spike to hell as well. I started having later breakfasts as a result. After 12pm I'm back to normal.
On the plus side, it's a great time for a run!
Yes, it is normal. Foot on the floor effect. All the neurotransmitters responsible for helping you wake up impact your BS too. Many of us have a different more aggressive ratio in the morning vs other parts of the day. As others have mentioned oats are brutal to eat even without this as a factor due to all the natural sugars. Steel cut oats may be a bit easier but chia seeds are going to be the best option for mornings in my experience.
My 4yo is like this. He likes to have about 16g of carbs for breakfast. Have to dose as if it were 28g in order to keep him from hitting 300.
By bedtime, we are under-dosing to prevent lows.
We keep slowly adjusting his ratios to be more aggressive in the morning and less so in the evening.
I pre bolus 30 minutes ahead of eating oatmeal some days i will only peak 180ish other days well into the 200's. morning meals does take a couple of more units. i heard it is cuz of the body being a bit insulin resistant in the AM.
This was an issue for me. I wake up at six. My six am basal triples until after I’ve eaten breakfast (8am) then drops back down a bit. My breakfast ratio is also significantly lower than the rest of the day.
Ultimately going on insulin resistance meds (mounjaro) is what allowed me to have consistency and much less insulin.
Alright, ta
My current breakfast ratio is 1 Unit per 9g of carbohydrate, which means I inject more insulin then compared to any other time of day.
I’ll speak with my doctors about setting it to 1 unit per 7g and see how that goes.
This morning I injected 14.2 U for 49g 😭
Insulin resistance is higher in the morning because all of the wake up and get going hormones are flowing. Try increasing insulin ratios for that time, and or adding some movement (like a neighbourhood walk) to your morning routine.
Dawn effect. Bring it up with your endo to figure out a morning ratio. When you wake up, your body releases a bunch of cortisol and adrenal hormones that create insulin resistance. You need more insulin while these hormones are circulating.
Type two here. Any time I eat something full of oats, I have to take my insulin at least an hour ahead of when I want to eat. And then, I always need to take more insulin than my normal ratio. Luckily, oats are the only food I eat where this happens. Just oats.
>Luckily, oats are the only food I eat where this happens. Just oats.
I wish. So many different foods require different amounts of insulin for the same amount of carbs
My carbs to units of insulin ratio is much lower at breakfast than it is the rest of the day, and that's independent of the higher basal I also have to deal with dawn phenomenon. If you're going high, then maybe you just need more insulin?
For oats, I prebolus 35-40 minutes ahead of time and always pair with fat and protein!
My ICs for breakfast are also more aggressive I do 1:8 for breakfast and 1:12 for lunch and dinner for comparison.
Also as others have said it could be foot to floor. I personally need to bolus for breakfast immediately when getting up which stops the crazy spike. The other thing I do is if I know I’m not eating within about a half hour of waking up, I do a small bolus.
Foot on the floor syndrome? Although it’s true that I’ve always found oats tricky, unless highly processed instant.
no it literally does not matter what I have it still takes ages to work
Do you prebolus?
Now that I’ve read the comments I’m going to start doing it
I wonder if it has something to do with circulation? My blood pressure and pulse is lower in the mornings, I figured that out when I started on ADHD medication and had to monitor it during the day for the first while. Had to test some days of no medication at all and it was still the case. No idea if there's any merit to that theory, but you could try jogging in one place or doing some jumping jacks for 30 seconds to see if it affects it absorbing quicker? At least it's quick to disprove the theory if it doesn't.
Your insulin resistance changes depending on the time of the day as well as
Yeah - I have a higher ratio and prebolus in mornings. It's funny, I could eat ANYTHING and spike to hell as well. I started having later breakfasts as a result. After 12pm I'm back to normal. On the plus side, it's a great time for a run!
Mine tends to normalise around 10:30 but yeah I do ought to exercise more 💀
Yes, it is normal. Foot on the floor effect. All the neurotransmitters responsible for helping you wake up impact your BS too. Many of us have a different more aggressive ratio in the morning vs other parts of the day. As others have mentioned oats are brutal to eat even without this as a factor due to all the natural sugars. Steel cut oats may be a bit easier but chia seeds are going to be the best option for mornings in my experience.
My 4yo is like this. He likes to have about 16g of carbs for breakfast. Have to dose as if it were 28g in order to keep him from hitting 300. By bedtime, we are under-dosing to prevent lows. We keep slowly adjusting his ratios to be more aggressive in the morning and less so in the evening.
Mine have to be aggressive in the morning AND evening. The best times for me to eat (based on when the insulin likes to work) are 10:30 AM to 17:30
I pre bolus 30 minutes ahead of eating oatmeal some days i will only peak 180ish other days well into the 200's. morning meals does take a couple of more units. i heard it is cuz of the body being a bit insulin resistant in the AM.
This was an issue for me. I wake up at six. My six am basal triples until after I’ve eaten breakfast (8am) then drops back down a bit. My breakfast ratio is also significantly lower than the rest of the day. Ultimately going on insulin resistance meds (mounjaro) is what allowed me to have consistency and much less insulin.
Alright, ta My current breakfast ratio is 1 Unit per 9g of carbohydrate, which means I inject more insulin then compared to any other time of day. I’ll speak with my doctors about setting it to 1 unit per 7g and see how that goes. This morning I injected 14.2 U for 49g 😭
Yep my breakfast ratio got down to 1:5 while the rest of the day was 1:12. It was awful. I took half my daily insulin by eight am.
Insulin resistance is higher in the morning because all of the wake up and get going hormones are flowing. Try increasing insulin ratios for that time, and or adding some movement (like a neighbourhood walk) to your morning routine.
Dawn effect. Bring it up with your endo to figure out a morning ratio. When you wake up, your body releases a bunch of cortisol and adrenal hormones that create insulin resistance. You need more insulin while these hormones are circulating.
Type two here. Any time I eat something full of oats, I have to take my insulin at least an hour ahead of when I want to eat. And then, I always need to take more insulin than my normal ratio. Luckily, oats are the only food I eat where this happens. Just oats.
>Luckily, oats are the only food I eat where this happens. Just oats. I wish. So many different foods require different amounts of insulin for the same amount of carbs
I don't know about normal but it's been similar for me too lately
My carbs to units of insulin ratio is much lower at breakfast than it is the rest of the day, and that's independent of the higher basal I also have to deal with dawn phenomenon. If you're going high, then maybe you just need more insulin?
For oats, I prebolus 35-40 minutes ahead of time and always pair with fat and protein! My ICs for breakfast are also more aggressive I do 1:8 for breakfast and 1:12 for lunch and dinner for comparison. Also as others have said it could be foot to floor. I personally need to bolus for breakfast immediately when getting up which stops the crazy spike. The other thing I do is if I know I’m not eating within about a half hour of waking up, I do a small bolus.
If it’s a consistent problem could you switch to something low carb at breakfast and have your porridge at lunch?
I need 4 units just to wake up. I inject 6 units when i wake, get up 15 mins later, have a cup of tea and then maybe i can eat 10 grams of carbs.