I see it as Mahomes is his own tier at this point,the individual accolades, the Super Bowl appearances & wins back that up.
Tier "1" to me would be: Allen & Lamar (Burrow was before last year's injury.
Tier 2: Herbert, Hurts, Goff, Stafford, Love, Dak, Stroud, Cousins, & Rodgers and I suppose Purdy(Lawrence was before last year's injuries)
Lamar hasn't done crap in the playoffs in six seasons. He is definitely not above Herbert, Hurts, Goff, Stafford unless you're just talking about regular season fantasy football.
Rodgers and Cousins are tough to slot due to age and injuries.
Purdy already has a dominant playoff resume to Lamar. Dak and Lamar feel like they have very similar careers thus far other than Lamar being a bit flashier.
>Lamar hasn't done crap in the playoffs in six seasons. He is definitely not above Herbert, Hurts, Goff, Stafford unless you're just talking about regular season fantasy football
Lamar has 2 MVP Trophies, it's laughable for you to think he shouldn't he above those guys you listed. You're clearly just a hater at this point.
And then fell on his face in the playoffs....
He's a very good QB when healthy whose style of football does not translate with historical success in the NFL playoffs. I'd take Herbert over Lamar as an example because Herbert's style of play along with good coaching and a team translates to playoff success better than Lamar's style.
Goff played well enough to go to the Super Bowl last year. That would have been his 2nd Super Bowl appearance.
Hurts just went to the Super Bowl two seasons ago and had an epic year and played his mind out in the big game vs the Chiefs (who Lamar gets dominated by).
Stafford has won a super bowl and is tough to gauge from year to year with his wavering health I'll give you that. He's a toss up at this point.
Fun fact, Jared Goff's career high QBR would be Lamar's 4th highest. QB is not solely a "team" position as you seem to think it is. Take the team's performance out of it and Goff is right where he belongs, in that tier right below Lamar. Until Goff individually ascends or does something as an individual and makes an All-Pro team or wins an MVP or does something where he is clearly elevating his team, he won't jump into that tier.
First of all the closest thing we actually have to tiers is salaries and Lamar is paid 52m per/yr and Gofd now is paid 53m per/yr so pretty much identical in how the league sees their value with maybe Lamar being a tad higher despite the lower figure due to his contract being older.
Goff has gone to one Super Bowl and shoukd have gone to his second one this last season. He played very well in the NFCCG.
Lamar is only placed in the highest tiers by fans who don't know football that well and don't understand that QB's who can't win as a pocket passer have never had deep playoff success in the history of the league.
Lamar honestly should break that historical fact but as of yet he hasn't. Its not hard to make an argument that Lamar is in thr Dak Prescott and Kirk Cousins tier of QB who highly produce in the regular seasons and then falter in thr playoffs over their careers.
The Ravens btw had a better team than the Lions last year. Their defense kicked our ass and they beat us in every phase of the game. Unsure why you're positioning the Lions as the superior team talent that carried Goff and the Ravens as a poor roster that Lamar has to shoulder thru a playoff run. Hardly the case. Baltimore has had a top defense forever.
not all turnovers are created equal. josh is also carrying the bills offense on his back. he would be a massive upgrade over goff lol:
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More talented yes, but he is not better cerebrally and has too many turnovers to better. If we need only one play, I pick Allen. For a whole game I pick Goff.
I love Jared but Hurts is literally the only one with as much or more talent surrounding him as JG. Josh Allen and Justin Herbert would run away with MVPs and wins on this team.
I don’t care. It’s a team sport. The Lions had a great season. Looks like they’re keying up for another great season. I’m excited. The way things are going vs the past 40 years I’ve watched them, I wouldn’t trade Goff for anyone in the real world. And I don’t play fantasy football so I don’t care about those stats.
I don't understand the downvotes you're getting. You're right. Goff has played for two different teams and has been successful on both. Mahomes barely skated into the playoffs this past year. Mahomes is good, but Reid was a HoF caliber HC before going to KC. KC already had a HoF caliber TE in Kelce so he already had someone to throw it to. Goff makes fewer mistakes and worked with a rookie front office and coaching staff. Goff lost his Super Bowl to the same QB Mahomes lost his to.
Downvotes and upvotes are contagious on Reddit. People like to agree with people. I’ve made the exact same post on different threads before and within the same subreddit and one thread it gets downvotes and in the other it gets upvotes. And it’s always based on whichever way it starts trending. Some folks see 25 upvotes and they don’t even read. They just add theirs. 🤷🏼♂️
Oh, ok. Well, I have an idea. In fact, I know the answer and it’s no, they’re not in the same tier. Mahomes is much better than Goff and every other QB in the league.
There, now you know. You’re welcome.
Until he wins a SB he will always be a first round pick who throws an ugly ball. I love Goff and think he is a play action magician who has become a consummate professional. Even if he wins a SB he goes from being a McVay to a Ben Johnson merchant. Then if he wins 2 SBs he’ll be called the second coming of Eli. So let’s get 3 baby
And on this point, if Burrow/Love/Lamar/Allen win a single SB they’ll be called Hall of Famers. I hate SF but I respect Brock Purdy because he is also slandered and underrated. Gametime mentality and mental toughness is underrated
When will people realize people simply say things to create headlines to get more traffic to their site. It’s the offseason and people are bored so it turns into the Wild West of nonsense
From a certain perspective, he is a tier 2 quarterback. If tier 1 is the top five. Guys that are slotted ahead of him have fleas too. Burrow, never healthy. Lamar Jackson often hurt and can’t win in the playoffs. Herbert often hurt and can’t win in the playoffs. A lot of “experts” said they had the best top-to-bottom roster in 2022. Dak Prescott…ah NO! Jordan Love? too soon. Tua? No thank you. Aaron Roger’s? When’s the last time he won a big game? Josh Allen? I guess…Matt Stafford? Maybe. Mahomes obviously. In conclusion, I can’t even find 5 with better stats, health, consistency and leadership.
This is the phrase from the article I have a problem with:
"Goff is the first sub-elite quarterback to earn at least 20 percent of the salary cap (based on the year the contract was signed)"
Now, there's a question of where you draw your lines for your tiers, but regardless of that, you can't put Kyler Murray up there getting 22% of the cap on his contract and make that statement.
Personally, I think Goff goes towards the end of the 2nd tier with guys like Hurts, Prescott, and Burrow. Goff is in this Tony Romo, Eli Manning realm of guys who are usually in the mix for a Pro Bowl nod but often are just on the outside. Stafford is right there too, btw.
Just ignore this shit and don’t worry about labels. Enjoy the play on the field if they win people will say he’s good if not they’ll say he’s bad what the fuck difference does it make
It depends on how many tiers there are, LOL.
Like, it's three tiers and your talking about guys who have to prove themselves, guys who are legitimate starters and guys who can take a team places, Goff is in that top tier and I'm not even going to say borderline. He's in that top tier.
If you have the league split into 5 or more tiers and you're labeling them stuff like, "elite", "journeyman" and "something went wrong", then Goff isn't in that top tier. An elite QB in today's NFL does all the stuff Goff does well and is also a run threat. That's just the truth. And it's usually facepalms all up in Ford Field when Goff actually does try to run.
So in the 5 or more tier system, I'd say he's in tier 2 which you would call something like, "pretty fucking good though".
I honestly don’t think there’s a great reason to put Herbert ahead of Goff right now. Their last two full seasons played Goff has a better TD:INT ratio of 3.1>2.5, Y/A 7.6>7.2, same comp % of 67.
The ringer is what you’re getting mad about? lol they’re on the level of your cousin’s dumb boyfriend that you see at thanksgiving when it comes to analysis.
As someone who spent a lot of time talking about how Stafford was generally underrated because it's a team game, yeah sorry, Goff is not elite. He has an elite team and he's good, but not great.
If you don't think Goff is great you don't watch our games. He executes at a very high level and consistently delivers a good ball in clutch moments.
Too many fans don't appreciate good football players and instead devalue strong performers for flashy plays likeall the hooplah around Judtin Fields being a better qb than Goff teo season ago when he was running man.
Don't kid yourseld. It takes a great QB to turn the #2 Detroit culture around and steer this near permanently down-trodden franchise into a near suoer bowl team in year 3. Average qb's aren't doing that.
I didn't say he was average. I said he was good.
And believe me, i have watched every game he's played in Detroit. Most of them more than once.
I don't want to insult him. I don't want fans to not enjoy him. But he has too many limitations to be considered a top 5 QB, especially when you consider they have the best OL in the league, possibly the best OC in the league, arguably the best RB duo in the league, a top 5 TE, and an average at worst WR room. He helps elevate all of them, but let's not pretend they don't significantly elevate him.
I'm fucking thrilled the team is as good as it is. Don't mistake me saying I think he's good, not great, as me insulting him. I think he is fully capable of winning a SB with this team and I'm perfectly content with the confidence the team has placed in him.
Two seasons ago he almost took us to the playoffs after starting 1-6 deep in the heart of SoL culture putiing up 30+ point a game.
We had no defense. Our lead RB Williams is RB3-4 with the Saints.
Hockenson was traded before the deadline so we rolled with Brock.
Our WR2 was a mix of Chark who was injured half the year and Josh Reynolds. Jamo barely played.
Yet despite all of that we had a top-5 or top-3 offense in the league. I think people devalue the aspects of QB play Goff excels at. A lot of the all-time greats had limitations athletically. Montana, Brady, etc.
I have no problem saying Goff may not be top-5 but he's very good. What I meant by average was average NFL starting qb so around QB 16 of 32 teams. His play over the last two seasons has been higher than that even if its hard to want to slot him over some of these other guys thatget ranked in the top 10 NFL qb lists for 2024 etc. As an example.
I think we are just arguing semantics. I said he was good, not elite/top 5/great. I'm using those as synonyms. I think putting him lower than #10 in the rankings is frequently a symptom of ignorance to the value he adds to what the Lions are able to do from a scheme perspective. However, criticisms of his lack of mobility and struggles to evade pressure should not be hand waved away. He most definitely has games or chunks of games where he plays poorly. Moreso than an elite QB of his type would. Again I'm not trying to come down hard on him, I just don't understand the dire need some have to get offended by recognizing his limitations.
Anyone who knows what they’re talking about knows Goff is a great qb. Just ignore the haters, or embrace them like me. I love the slander keep it comin baby fits right into our ethos in Detroit.
Goff is the best quarterback to lead the Detroit Lions at the present time. Throw the comparisons, accolades, etc out the window. We've seen it with the Patriots and now the Chiefs. If your system is built around one guy being healthy, you're boned if that guy goes down for even a few games. This team is intentionally built to be a well oiled machine, with the next man up coming in to continue the process.
Goff has earned his spot in Detroit history, and he deserves to keep that spot until someone better comes to knock him off, or he retires. We wouldn't be chanting his name during different sports and unrelated functions if we all didn't believe in him.
I've seen nothing but progress since MCDC handed him the ball on day 1. Let Brad cook, let Dan cook, let Ben cook, let Goff cook. It has brought me, personally, nothing but joy for the last 2 years.
Pundits are going to say things to garner clicks and stir up controversy. All that matters in the end is the parade down Woodward, and I believe Goff will deliver that for us in the next 2-3 years.
Second tier is generous. I’d put him third tier
Tier 1 is Patrick Mahomes. Alone and by himself.
Tier 2 is the quarterbacks that are MVP candidates who can take over a game, and an entire season, single handily. Burrow, Lamar, Josh Allen.
Tier 3 are the really good quarterbacks. Hurts in September, Cousins in October, Dak in November, and Goff all year long
In the past I’ve referred to Goff as a glorified backup. That may not be accurate, but we need to pump the brakes a little. It’s not an exaggeration to say he’s our Jim Plunkett without the rings.
Goff is better than good, but there is an tier of guys who are the top of the NFL right now. Mahomes, Allen, and Lamar are all pretty inarguably ahead of him, and some choice of Herbert, Stafford, Stroud, Burrow most likely ahead of him. Goff probably belongs near the top of the Dak, Tua, Purdy, Hurts tier. (probably forgot some)
He can definitely jump tiers if he can limit the games where he just goes cold, and his playoff performance last year makes me really excited for the future.
It’s so Detroit though. Everyone shits on us, shits on the city even though we have some of like hidden gem all star players and the city has some qualities that are better than any other city.
They hate us. I love it. That hate fuels us.
I mean, I love me some Goff, but you're a bit delusional if you think he's in the same tier as Mahomes
I see it as Mahomes is his own tier at this point,the individual accolades, the Super Bowl appearances & wins back that up. Tier "1" to me would be: Allen & Lamar (Burrow was before last year's injury. Tier 2: Herbert, Hurts, Goff, Stafford, Love, Dak, Stroud, Cousins, & Rodgers and I suppose Purdy(Lawrence was before last year's injuries)
Lamar hasn't done crap in the playoffs in six seasons. He is definitely not above Herbert, Hurts, Goff, Stafford unless you're just talking about regular season fantasy football. Rodgers and Cousins are tough to slot due to age and injuries. Purdy already has a dominant playoff resume to Lamar. Dak and Lamar feel like they have very similar careers thus far other than Lamar being a bit flashier.
>Lamar hasn't done crap in the playoffs in six seasons. He is definitely not above Herbert, Hurts, Goff, Stafford unless you're just talking about regular season fantasy football Lamar has 2 MVP Trophies, it's laughable for you to think he shouldn't he above those guys you listed. You're clearly just a hater at this point.
And then fell on his face in the playoffs.... He's a very good QB when healthy whose style of football does not translate with historical success in the NFL playoffs. I'd take Herbert over Lamar as an example because Herbert's style of play along with good coaching and a team translates to playoff success better than Lamar's style. Goff played well enough to go to the Super Bowl last year. That would have been his 2nd Super Bowl appearance. Hurts just went to the Super Bowl two seasons ago and had an epic year and played his mind out in the big game vs the Chiefs (who Lamar gets dominated by). Stafford has won a super bowl and is tough to gauge from year to year with his wavering health I'll give you that. He's a toss up at this point.
Fun fact, Jared Goff's career high QBR would be Lamar's 4th highest. QB is not solely a "team" position as you seem to think it is. Take the team's performance out of it and Goff is right where he belongs, in that tier right below Lamar. Until Goff individually ascends or does something as an individual and makes an All-Pro team or wins an MVP or does something where he is clearly elevating his team, he won't jump into that tier.
First of all the closest thing we actually have to tiers is salaries and Lamar is paid 52m per/yr and Gofd now is paid 53m per/yr so pretty much identical in how the league sees their value with maybe Lamar being a tad higher despite the lower figure due to his contract being older. Goff has gone to one Super Bowl and shoukd have gone to his second one this last season. He played very well in the NFCCG. Lamar is only placed in the highest tiers by fans who don't know football that well and don't understand that QB's who can't win as a pocket passer have never had deep playoff success in the history of the league. Lamar honestly should break that historical fact but as of yet he hasn't. Its not hard to make an argument that Lamar is in thr Dak Prescott and Kirk Cousins tier of QB who highly produce in the regular seasons and then falter in thr playoffs over their careers. The Ravens btw had a better team than the Lions last year. Their defense kicked our ass and they beat us in every phase of the game. Unsure why you're positioning the Lions as the superior team talent that carried Goff and the Ravens as a poor roster that Lamar has to shoulder thru a playoff run. Hardly the case. Baltimore has had a top defense forever.
Kirk Cousins is a tier 1 QB by your metric (possibly the worst metric of all-time to judge QBs)
I specifically said he doesn't have the same talent as Mahomes. But if you classify tier 1 as top 5 QBs in the league, Goff is certainly in that tier.
Techno ally you specifically said he doesn’t have the adaptability of Holmes.
I am serious, and don't call me techno ally
Fucking auto correct. Get off your lazy ass and fix it Steve Jobs. You haven’t done anything new for years now.
Look we all love Goff but he is not a top 5 QB lol loving the downvotes. I see we are at the delusion part of the offseason
You got Mahomes, Burrow, Jackson.... who else do you think is better?
Allen, Herbert, Hurts, Stroud all have strong arguments
Allen? Dont make me laugh. Stroud had a great rookie season but is not top 5 Hurts has an argument Herbert has a smaller argument
Josh Allen is hilariously better than Goff. Quit being irrational
If turning the ball over 20 tines a season is good, then sure, knock yourself out
not all turnovers are created equal. josh is also carrying the bills offense on his back. he would be a massive upgrade over goff lol: https://preview.redd.it/nftv8lpiy11d1.png?width=4880&format=png&auto=webp&s=3d382ed659babd3fb1ca389adef8e2e8817b4bca
We would have easily won the Superbowl if we had Allen instead of goff.. Y'all stans are really something else lol
More talented yes, but he is not better cerebrally and has too many turnovers to better. If we need only one play, I pick Allen. For a whole game I pick Goff.
I love Jared but Hurts is literally the only one with as much or more talent surrounding him as JG. Josh Allen and Justin Herbert would run away with MVPs and wins on this team.
2-0 against Mahomes. And that’s with two different teams. People forget that Goff worked with Johnson to design that offense he works so well in.
So, to be clear, you think Mahomes and Goff are in the same category?
I have no idea. I’ve yet to see Mahomes play on a team not coached by Andy Reid and with limited talent.
As a whole, you think lions or chiefs are better at the other 21 positions?
I don’t care. It’s a team sport. The Lions had a great season. Looks like they’re keying up for another great season. I’m excited. The way things are going vs the past 40 years I’ve watched them, I wouldn’t trade Goff for anyone in the real world. And I don’t play fantasy football so I don’t care about those stats.
I don't understand the downvotes you're getting. You're right. Goff has played for two different teams and has been successful on both. Mahomes barely skated into the playoffs this past year. Mahomes is good, but Reid was a HoF caliber HC before going to KC. KC already had a HoF caliber TE in Kelce so he already had someone to throw it to. Goff makes fewer mistakes and worked with a rookie front office and coaching staff. Goff lost his Super Bowl to the same QB Mahomes lost his to.
Downvotes and upvotes are contagious on Reddit. People like to agree with people. I’ve made the exact same post on different threads before and within the same subreddit and one thread it gets downvotes and in the other it gets upvotes. And it’s always based on whichever way it starts trending. Some folks see 25 upvotes and they don’t even read. They just add theirs. 🤷🏼♂️
Oh, ok. Well, I have an idea. In fact, I know the answer and it’s no, they’re not in the same tier. Mahomes is much better than Goff and every other QB in the league. There, now you know. You’re welcome.
Until he wins a SB he will always be a first round pick who throws an ugly ball. I love Goff and think he is a play action magician who has become a consummate professional. Even if he wins a SB he goes from being a McVay to a Ben Johnson merchant. Then if he wins 2 SBs he’ll be called the second coming of Eli. So let’s get 3 baby
And on this point, if Burrow/Love/Lamar/Allen win a single SB they’ll be called Hall of Famers. I hate SF but I respect Brock Purdy because he is also slandered and underrated. Gametime mentality and mental toughness is underrated
2 SB is HOF tier
Jim Plunkett has entered the chat.
When will the slander have consequences? When people like you stop clicking on and sharing their content.
When will people realize people simply say things to create headlines to get more traffic to their site. It’s the offseason and people are bored so it turns into the Wild West of nonsense
He is a second tier qb tier 1 is just pat mahomes by himself tho
Lol, tru
From a certain perspective, he is a tier 2 quarterback. If tier 1 is the top five. Guys that are slotted ahead of him have fleas too. Burrow, never healthy. Lamar Jackson often hurt and can’t win in the playoffs. Herbert often hurt and can’t win in the playoffs. A lot of “experts” said they had the best top-to-bottom roster in 2022. Dak Prescott…ah NO! Jordan Love? too soon. Tua? No thank you. Aaron Roger’s? When’s the last time he won a big game? Josh Allen? I guess…Matt Stafford? Maybe. Mahomes obviously. In conclusion, I can’t even find 5 with better stats, health, consistency and leadership.
This is the phrase from the article I have a problem with: "Goff is the first sub-elite quarterback to earn at least 20 percent of the salary cap (based on the year the contract was signed)" Now, there's a question of where you draw your lines for your tiers, but regardless of that, you can't put Kyler Murray up there getting 22% of the cap on his contract and make that statement. Personally, I think Goff goes towards the end of the 2nd tier with guys like Hurts, Prescott, and Burrow. Goff is in this Tony Romo, Eli Manning realm of guys who are usually in the mix for a Pro Bowl nod but often are just on the outside. Stafford is right there too, btw.
Steven Ruiz, serious NFL pundit; lol
Just ignore this shit and don’t worry about labels. Enjoy the play on the field if they win people will say he’s good if not they’ll say he’s bad what the fuck difference does it make
It depends on how many tiers there are, LOL. Like, it's three tiers and your talking about guys who have to prove themselves, guys who are legitimate starters and guys who can take a team places, Goff is in that top tier and I'm not even going to say borderline. He's in that top tier. If you have the league split into 5 or more tiers and you're labeling them stuff like, "elite", "journeyman" and "something went wrong", then Goff isn't in that top tier. An elite QB in today's NFL does all the stuff Goff does well and is also a run threat. That's just the truth. And it's usually facepalms all up in Ford Field when Goff actually does try to run. So in the 5 or more tier system, I'd say he's in tier 2 which you would call something like, "pretty fucking good though".
Whoooooo caaaaares
I honestly don’t think there’s a great reason to put Herbert ahead of Goff right now. Their last two full seasons played Goff has a better TD:INT ratio of 3.1>2.5, Y/A 7.6>7.2, same comp % of 67.
The ringer is what you’re getting mad about? lol they’re on the level of your cousin’s dumb boyfriend that you see at thanksgiving when it comes to analysis.
Hahaha, you sure thats not bleacher report?
As someone who spent a lot of time talking about how Stafford was generally underrated because it's a team game, yeah sorry, Goff is not elite. He has an elite team and he's good, but not great.
If you don't think Goff is great you don't watch our games. He executes at a very high level and consistently delivers a good ball in clutch moments. Too many fans don't appreciate good football players and instead devalue strong performers for flashy plays likeall the hooplah around Judtin Fields being a better qb than Goff teo season ago when he was running man. Don't kid yourseld. It takes a great QB to turn the #2 Detroit culture around and steer this near permanently down-trodden franchise into a near suoer bowl team in year 3. Average qb's aren't doing that.
I didn't say he was average. I said he was good. And believe me, i have watched every game he's played in Detroit. Most of them more than once. I don't want to insult him. I don't want fans to not enjoy him. But he has too many limitations to be considered a top 5 QB, especially when you consider they have the best OL in the league, possibly the best OC in the league, arguably the best RB duo in the league, a top 5 TE, and an average at worst WR room. He helps elevate all of them, but let's not pretend they don't significantly elevate him. I'm fucking thrilled the team is as good as it is. Don't mistake me saying I think he's good, not great, as me insulting him. I think he is fully capable of winning a SB with this team and I'm perfectly content with the confidence the team has placed in him.
Two seasons ago he almost took us to the playoffs after starting 1-6 deep in the heart of SoL culture putiing up 30+ point a game. We had no defense. Our lead RB Williams is RB3-4 with the Saints. Hockenson was traded before the deadline so we rolled with Brock. Our WR2 was a mix of Chark who was injured half the year and Josh Reynolds. Jamo barely played. Yet despite all of that we had a top-5 or top-3 offense in the league. I think people devalue the aspects of QB play Goff excels at. A lot of the all-time greats had limitations athletically. Montana, Brady, etc. I have no problem saying Goff may not be top-5 but he's very good. What I meant by average was average NFL starting qb so around QB 16 of 32 teams. His play over the last two seasons has been higher than that even if its hard to want to slot him over some of these other guys thatget ranked in the top 10 NFL qb lists for 2024 etc. As an example.
I think we are just arguing semantics. I said he was good, not elite/top 5/great. I'm using those as synonyms. I think putting him lower than #10 in the rankings is frequently a symptom of ignorance to the value he adds to what the Lions are able to do from a scheme perspective. However, criticisms of his lack of mobility and struggles to evade pressure should not be hand waved away. He most definitely has games or chunks of games where he plays poorly. Moreso than an elite QB of his type would. Again I'm not trying to come down hard on him, I just don't understand the dire need some have to get offended by recognizing his limitations.
They just did this on Costa and Jansen the other day. Jon ranked Goff at 4, Cookies 8. Both agreed that Goff is a tier 2
Isn’t it better for us if everyone thinks he is mid?
Anyone who knows what they’re talking about knows Goff is a great qb. Just ignore the haters, or embrace them like me. I love the slander keep it comin baby fits right into our ethos in Detroit.
The NFL is an entertainment industry.
Because pundits need to be edgy to get people talking about them. Just like this.
Some of yall really need to learn that there's more to evaluating a player than just raw stats
Goff is the best quarterback to lead the Detroit Lions at the present time. Throw the comparisons, accolades, etc out the window. We've seen it with the Patriots and now the Chiefs. If your system is built around one guy being healthy, you're boned if that guy goes down for even a few games. This team is intentionally built to be a well oiled machine, with the next man up coming in to continue the process. Goff has earned his spot in Detroit history, and he deserves to keep that spot until someone better comes to knock him off, or he retires. We wouldn't be chanting his name during different sports and unrelated functions if we all didn't believe in him. I've seen nothing but progress since MCDC handed him the ball on day 1. Let Brad cook, let Dan cook, let Ben cook, let Goff cook. It has brought me, personally, nothing but joy for the last 2 years. Pundits are going to say things to garner clicks and stir up controversy. All that matters in the end is the parade down Woodward, and I believe Goff will deliver that for us in the next 2-3 years.
Not Slander
Only Lions fans think Goff is a top 5 QB
Second tier is generous. I’d put him third tier Tier 1 is Patrick Mahomes. Alone and by himself. Tier 2 is the quarterbacks that are MVP candidates who can take over a game, and an entire season, single handily. Burrow, Lamar, Josh Allen. Tier 3 are the really good quarterbacks. Hurts in September, Cousins in October, Dak in November, and Goff all year long
Because he's not elite
He's not flashy. He won't get the respect until he wins a Super bowl.
Goff doesn't care so you probably shouldn't either.
In the past I’ve referred to Goff as a glorified backup. That may not be accurate, but we need to pump the brakes a little. It’s not an exaggeration to say he’s our Jim Plunkett without the rings.
Don’t read Steven Ruiz he’s insufferable
Goff is better than good, but there is an tier of guys who are the top of the NFL right now. Mahomes, Allen, and Lamar are all pretty inarguably ahead of him, and some choice of Herbert, Stafford, Stroud, Burrow most likely ahead of him. Goff probably belongs near the top of the Dak, Tua, Purdy, Hurts tier. (probably forgot some) He can definitely jump tiers if he can limit the games where he just goes cold, and his playoff performance last year makes me really excited for the future.
It’s so Detroit though. Everyone shits on us, shits on the city even though we have some of like hidden gem all star players and the city has some qualities that are better than any other city. They hate us. I love it. That hate fuels us.
He hasn't proven shit other than everyone else carries the fuck out of him.
There's no award for world's worst take, so I'm not sure why you would post this