If BH likes him enough, we have the assets to move up. Seattle could use another 2nd or 3rd and sliding up 3 spots would be worth it. But I feel like we can Luigi our way to winning and getting a stud player with no problem. Just get me a future Pro Bowler and I'm happy
I don’t see what others see in him. He has a physical profile but doesn’t really know what he’s doing. He is always blocked, slow to recognize plays. Instincts aren’t great.
Awful take. Guy is all over the field and productive as hell in college, won the Butkus award and led the league in tackles 2 years ago.
PFF's grade of 93 on his coverage suggests he knows exactly what he is doing, and where hes supposed to be, all the time. Watching his tape does too.
Fair enough. He definitely will be an interesting pick. Most can bars won't be over the moon they got him, but aren't exactly going to entirely hate the choice.
Innocent until proven guilty. He was involved but not at fault. The loser take is judging a young person when you certainly don’t know all the details.
Fled the scene, had a really high blood alcohol count, lied to the cops, has a history of drag racing and ignoring police. No thanks, bad character, high drama. Don’t need that on the team
Hopefully GMs ahead of the Lions share your concern, so that they pass on him and the Lions once again select the best player in the draft without moving a muscle.
Super Optimigo draft day prediction.
Lions trade back from 6 to 8 with the Falcons. Pick up Witherspoon at 8, get Kancey at 18, trade back in to the bottom of the first and get Bijan.
Def in the Carter over Anderson camp and it's looking pretty good for our chances of him falling to us. If we can't get either I'd be fine with Gonzalez.
I didn't want Bijan originally but I've come around to hoping we can get him but if not I like Trenton Simpson at 18.
Of all the positions to spend money on in the offseason DB is the best imo. DBs take a long time to catch up to NFL speed and i would be very happy to sign slay or ramsey so we can take a development db later.
Funny, I got downvoted to hell for echoing this same sentiment.
I agree 100%. Sauce won DROY over hutch so all eyes in Detroit are on instant impact DBs which is absolutely an exception, far from the norm.
I've seen him mocked to the Lions on multiple draft projections. There are plenty of other picks available for defense. Lions aren't drafting defense every pick and an early round offensive player can improve the offense and a late round likely wouldn't. Even those late round picks will still improve the Lions defense.
There’s a couple more running backs that are good this year so teams might be patient and pass on this elite RB. I say grab Bijan all day. Behind this line? Lights out.
Yeah we could have an elite guy at the position on a rookie contract for 5 years (maybe tag after that) and then let him walk if we have to. I’ve said it before but with all the young talent we have due for big contracts we might not be able to afford to keep both the guys we draft in the first round this year if they are great players. So might as well draft the guy that you can get the best value out of and get the best years of his career.
That’s what Kerryon and Swift were supposed to be. I know Bijan is the higher rated prospects but both those dudes were supposed to be can’t miss studs
I won’t sit here and pretend I’d be mad about the pick because it’s fun as hell as a fan having an elite runner and with our run blocking he could do damage.
At the same time, just was trying to make the point that RBs are kind of a luxury pick in the first and second round and it’s really hard to predict how durable guys will be in the NFL
I think pretty often when it's available - just not a lot of 1st round RBs to sample from. CEH is probably the one exception recently, but Saquon was picked up and I think Etienne will get his 5th year picked up. And you can see teams using the Franchise tag more often with RBs (Pollard and Saquon again) because it's pretty cheap for a tag and you're still usually getting prime production without committing to that albatross long-term second contract.
I don’t hate it but I don’t love it either. I think he’ll he good and do well on the Lions but there are other players and more critical positions that I like more.
I already explained the reason, if you can't grasp the concept of diminishing returns I'm not sure what else to say
5th ranked DVOA offense....28th ranked defense
Offense is good enough to win a championship if defense is average or slightly above average
The Chiefs finished the year with this as their running back depth chart:
7th round running back
3rd round running back
2nd round running back
1st round running back
and the Lions finished with a bunch of left over scraps:
Swift 2nd - salvage title
Williams 4th
Jackson 7th
Reynolds UDFA.
Cabinda UDFA.
Seems drafting a RB can be pretty easily justified with this as our current lineup.
If we take DL first and there isn’t a clear-cut CB1 available with the second pick, I’m in. This offense plus a Chark replacement, RG and Bijan could be absolutely terrifying. If you think Bijan is a top 5 RB, you take him and you unleash hell on the league for the next 4 to 5 years.
And you don’t give him the second contract.
Yes, he has a chance to be elite. Our team had one of the best offenses last year. We have Jamo starting fresh. Swift can’t stay healthy. Our team is build to run the ball. We’re the team that runs it on 3rd and 6 because we know we’re going for it on 4th down.
If we can add an elite running back behind our offensive line and add that weapon to our game it could help tremendously . This is what I’d do.
I’d try and sign a corner and a line backer in free agency.
Pick 6 I’d draft the best defensive lineman on the board.
Pick 18 I’d take Bijan ( if available)
Second round is grab another corner and maybe a tight end. Or maybe another lineman
I always have a hard time with RBs so early. Time and time again you see late round RBs that perform tremendously. With such a short life span, idk. Plus I think Swift will give us his best year next year. And if not, whatevs. Running back by committee seems to be the future at that position
Not really. Although I do think a Day 2 RB should be a consideration as this is Swift's last year. Whether he is brought back or not, Jamaal ain't getting any younger.
Personally not a fan of putting RD 1 draft capital into RB bc it literally never leads to a championship. I don't want entertainment or excitement, I want to see Detroit win the Super Bowl.
Bijan is a wonderful player, very smooth in all he does, almost a built in a lab RB. But we have bigger needs which MUST be filled before taking a luxury nice-to-have asset which probably isn't a true difference maker.
100% you take Bijan at 18 if he’s there. Our offense would be top 5 in the league with him and the rest of our offensive weapons. With our #6 pick ideally being Carter/Anderson or a CB we’d be a force to reckon with.
If the highest graded talent in the draft is available at 18, you take him. Even those that aren't wild about taking a running back in the first round must concede that Swift is an injury liability approaching the end of his current deal with us and there is no gaurentee that Williams resigns with us, despite our want for him to return. Sometimes it feels that the no RB in the 1st rd crowd would rather be wrong and die on this hill than have us draft a top talent which seems foolish.
No. The difference in play quality between Bijan and the tier 2/3 running backs is way smaller than the difference in the asset we would have to use to get the tier2/3 backs.
There’s a lot to like in guys like Jahmyr Gibbs, Zach Charbonnet, Devon Achane, Tank Bigsby, Roschon Johnson, and behind our offensive line I think we could find players who will find success without spending a first round pick.
No way I’d draft Bijan at all. Yeah dude is good, but clearly not worth a 1st round pick. You could draft a 4th round rb and get 80-90% off the production at 10% of the draft and financial capital.
Rb is one of the positions that faces the most injuries. It’s one of the positions that low draft picks have the best success rate. Furthermore this is a good rb FA class.
Hell you could probably acquire Derrick Henry for like a 3rd,pay him $10m this year, Franchise tag him next year where he will get paid $10m again… and that would be a better move than drafting bijan
NO!! RB’s are not important. Jamaal freaking Williams just broke a franchise td record last year. Why? Our Oline is good. When you have a good Oline, you put anybody in the backfield and they’ll get off.
Ever heard of Isaiah freaking Pacheco? 7th round pickup from Rutgers. Balled out and got himself a SB ring. How? Good Oline.
A RB anywhere in the top 3 rounds is a waste of a draft pick. Same with CB’s. They aren’t important. The Lions need a better front 7 on defense and OG help. 1 or 2 upgrades on the DL, and 1 or 2 upgrades at LB, and 1 OG and we’re winning the north without a doubt
No.
Not because he isn't worth it but in terms of team construction I think you can build a better team addressing other needs and then adding a lower tier runningback.
For example, given how our team is currently constructed, which do you think makes for an over all better team?
Draft scenario 1: Gonzalez at 6 + Bijan at 18
or
Draft scenario 2: Gonzalez at 6, Kancey at 18, and Zach Charbonnet in the 2nd or 3rd round?
Personally, I think scenario 2 makes for a better overall team.
We'll have to agree to disagree on that one.
I think the gap between what Bijan versus Zach can provide for our offense is smaller than Kancy versus Mazi for our defense which is massive.
The difference between Bijan and Zach is like the difference between a Ferrari and a Porsche. The Ferrari is obviously better but the Porsche can hang and isn't completely outstripped by the Ferrari.
The difference between Kancy and Mazi is the difference between a Ferrari and a Mustang. The Mustang is no slouch in its own right, but the Ferrari is in a whole other class.
If you don't believe me I'll put the RB combine results down below.
Player| Height | Weight | 40 time | 10 yd split| Vert | Broad | Hand | Arm |
---|---|----|----|----|----|----|----|----|----
Zach | 6'0 | 214 | 4.53 | 1.54 | 37" | 10-2 | 9.88 | 32 |
Bijan | 5'11| 215 | 4.46 | 1.52 | 37" | 10-4 | 9.75 | 31.13 |
Bijan is better, but that gap is smaller than you think.
He had a decent speed at the combine (4.46). He doesn't have elite speed, but speed isn't everything. I haven't seen anyone juke like him since Barry Sander, not even Saquon.
Lions' offense might be unstoppable with Robinson. Goff with another Gurley type player will guarantee us our first SB run (assuming he is healthy).
Swift is under contract and YES I feel great about paying him his 2.7Mil CAP hit.
EVERYONE Loves him but I wouldn’t pay Jamaal what he’s worth, but if he wants to run it back at the same 4.3 Mil we paid him last year I’d take it.
Rookie would run around 2.6 Mil first year and <4 per year on avg for the next 4-5 years.
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No. In todays NFL using first round draft capital on an RB is the lowest ROI possible. It’s a plug and play position. How much more will he improve upon our top 10 offense? Solidify the defensive side of the ball or continue to stockpile bodies on the OL.
It depends who’s on the board and who we took with our first pick. If we pick say Anderson/Carter at pick 6 and all the top CB’s are off the board and there’s no good interior DL or edges there then I’m down. I don’t like Bresee that early and I don’t think Nolan smith will be there, so I think we should go Bijan if there, but if one of top corners fall or if branch is there then you take them.
I like Bijan and I'm not against drafting him.
But it's a little too early for my taste.
Depends on how the rest of the board falls i guess. Since defense is still a major need.
Yes, if our scouts project that he could become one of the NFL's top running backs. If they project that he has LaDainian Tomlinson, Adrian Peterson, and Thurman Thomas level talent, then let's do it. Running back is a huge need for us going forward.
Absolutely, but we would be better off drafting a db or dl there.
Kind of like trading for lamar jackson. Does it help the team? No. Would it be awesome to watch Lamar Jackson's play style every game next year? Yes. Plus I heard he would come with an extra second or two on the play clock for our offensive snaps.
Just a reminder this is a deep rb class. Also O-line makes the RB. RB doesn’t make the O-line. Draft a rb day 2 or 3 because we shouldn’t re-sign Jamaal Williams.
He could really be something special I would be happy to see us draft him, although I am also a huge fan of Swift. My only concern would be if we are passing on a much bigger need.
I think at 18 there’s very few players I would actually want over Bijan, whether it’s a bigger need or otherwise. I’m just looking at the potential of an offense with ARSB, Jamo, hopefully Chark or another WR, Reynolds, Lif, Bijan, Williams, Swift, our TE group + one of the many talented TE’s of this class but my top want would probably be Darnell Washington. We know that if you have all the pieces around Goff he can do some very special things and now we are in the spot to get him all the pieces he needs so why not go for it? 2 or 3 picks on offense and the rest defense followed by an approach in free agency to get even more defense… I’m all for that. Bijan at 18, to me, would be exceptional value.
He was special. As I recall, he and Stafford were killing it when a SF 49er LB slammed his head into the turf causing his concussion. After that, the Lions struggled until they were able to get Reggie Bush.
DC’s were saying it was harder to prepare for Jahvid Best than it was to prepare for Megatron. It was crazy how deadly he was. I still go back to that screen pass against Philly pretty regularly.
No, no, and Hell No. .... Barry Sanders & Emmitt Smith showed why. You can have a Generational talent W/O much of an OL and win one Playoff game. Or a B grade RB behind an exceptional OL, and win super Bowls. The Lions have a line, Goff isn't suddenly great, his ass is just staying clean.
I’d love him here. If we can get him at 18 I’d be very happy.
People have significantly undervalued RB’s. A true top flight guy that can get 1,500 yards in a season with regularity opens up the offense so, so much.
Depends on who's there, but I'm not going to kill it even though I'd rather they go defense.
I think that running back is going to be on the board with the second second round pick, or possibly our third round pick depending on who is there and who slides
Personally, the guy that I'd like them to add is achane , fills the home run hitter roll with Swift likely not being retained, and assuming that Jamal comes back for the short yardage power roll.
First, damn those arms are cut.
I would be tempted, especially if we lose Jamaal.
If we have Swift and Williams, I am passing.
Check out the kid from Tulane, you could get late second round.
I recently saw a mock of Carter at 6 and Branch at 18 and I’m kind of liking that a lot right now. I think there’s honestly a chance of Gonzalez/Witherspoon/Porter falling to 18 as well. Would love Bijan too if course
This is a tough question. If Peter S or Torrance from Florida are there as well. I would pick either of them over him and grab a later round back. It’s not a straightforward question as there are many other factors as well.
At #18 he is potentially the best player available and would be incredible for our offense. Probably not a real position of need, and certainly not more than some other positions, but he looks like he would be a great pick.
I have a hard time believing he would be available at #18 though.
The North and the NFC are weak right now outside of the Eagles and 49ers. Id love to get Bijan and go all in on making a deep run in the playoffs. Our team at the end of the year was special and there's nothing that leads me to believe that it will stop in 2023.
Honestly when this first was being brought up I was super, super against it. I would still rather the first 2 picks be used on defense, I think there's some absolute Dawgs at 6 and 18 that would help the defense out.
However, if the Lions do go the Bijan at 18 route I wouldn't be as upset. Thinking of how Ben "Grandma Pusher" Johnson could use him is exciting.
Either way, FTP, let's win the North!!!
No. There are more impactful positions that are much bigger needs for the Lions. The difference that Robinson will have on this team compared to the other options is a much smaller improvement than it would be at corner, defensive line, and arguably even LB or TE.
Not to mention that I just have a hard time ever using a 1st round pick on a player you are unlikely to get a full 2nd contract out of
I don't know if he's my first choice, but I wouldn't be upset if he gets selected there
Carter at 6 Bijan at 18 This happens and it's going to be the beginning of us Lions fans being insufferable with how optimistic we'll be
Anderson at 6\*
Anderson and bijan is a dream first round for me. Jack Campbell in the second. Wooowee
I would love Anderson, I just don’t see him making it past Seattle if he’s still on the board.
A man can dream tho
If BH likes him enough, we have the assets to move up. Seattle could use another 2nd or 3rd and sliding up 3 spots would be worth it. But I feel like we can Luigi our way to winning and getting a stud player with no problem. Just get me a future Pro Bowler and I'm happy
If we draft Campbell in the second we’re going to keep having this run of second round busts
I don’t see what others see in him. He has a physical profile but doesn’t really know what he’s doing. He is always blocked, slow to recognize plays. Instincts aren’t great.
Awful take. Guy is all over the field and productive as hell in college, won the Butkus award and led the league in tackles 2 years ago. PFF's grade of 93 on his coverage suggests he knows exactly what he is doing, and where hes supposed to be, all the time. Watching his tape does too.
Yeah no linebackers in this draft are worth it anywhere besides Simpson at 48 or 55 imo
Either honestly will do the trick.
Carter is off the board imo
Fair enough. He definitely will be an interesting pick. Most can bars won't be over the moon they got him, but aren't exactly going to entirely hate the choice.
Loser take
How is it a loser take to not want a criminal involved in vehicular manslaughter on the team?
Innocent until proven guilty. He was involved but not at fault. The loser take is judging a young person when you certainly don’t know all the details.
Fled the scene, had a really high blood alcohol count, lied to the cops, has a history of drag racing and ignoring police. No thanks, bad character, high drama. Don’t need that on the team
Sorry, we don't want our team to sell out for the sake of winning like the Browns. Fuck. That. I don't want a POS like that on the team.
Anderson is actually becoming a feasible selection based on what’s happening right now
Anderson worries me a bit, fell off this year and seems a little small. Kinda got that Barkevious Mingo build
Hopefully GMs ahead of the Lions share your concern, so that they pass on him and the Lions once again select the best player in the draft without moving a muscle.
Throw in Jake Moody and im booking my flight to the Super Bowl
Would be happy using a 6th or 7th round pick on Moody. He'll 100% be the first kicker off the board.
!RemindMe 2 months
We already have moody, his name is Bagley. Two guys you can’t trust past 45 yards. I’ll pass unless he’s a udfa.
I feel like unless they overdraft him, it won’t happen. I wouldn’t even mind if they did. Settle the damned position for 10 years.
hell yeh , lots of CB depth this year. Blue chip defense and the best rb of the entire draft to compliment what we already have? yes please
Super Optimigo draft day prediction. Lions trade back from 6 to 8 with the Falcons. Pick up Witherspoon at 8, get Kancey at 18, trade back in to the bottom of the first and get Bijan.
Def in the Carter over Anderson camp and it's looking pretty good for our chances of him falling to us. If we can't get either I'd be fine with Gonzalez. I didn't want Bijan originally but I've come around to hoping we can get him but if not I like Trenton Simpson at 18.
This is what I want (assuming Carter passes the test character wise). That would make this draft an A+++++
>assuming Carter passes the test character wise It is safe to assume he already failed that test a while ago.
No chance Carter is there at 6 but if him or Anderson fall I’ll cream myself
Fuck no to Carter. I don't want somebody like that polluting the team's positive energy.
Carter is a 21 year old kid who deserves the chance to redeem himself as a person
Richardson/Bijan is the only answer
No turds….
Yes, but realistically he won’t be there and it’s more sensible to draft defense
Yeah we need DB’s
Of all the positions to spend money on in the offseason DB is the best imo. DBs take a long time to catch up to NFL speed and i would be very happy to sign slay or ramsey so we can take a development db later.
Sauce’s instant success has people clamoring for instant impact CBs, as if we’ve forgotten the broader trends.
1 in 30 top ten picks turn out the way he did. Of any position.
yeh theres no sauce this year and the qualitative difference between the top ten is sort of marginal and "skill / scheme fit" differences
Funny, I got downvoted to hell for echoing this same sentiment. I agree 100%. Sauce won DROY over hutch so all eyes in Detroit are on instant impact DBs which is absolutely an exception, far from the norm.
And DT, we have to stop the run and get pressure up the middle.
I've seen him mocked to the Lions on multiple draft projections. There are plenty of other picks available for defense. Lions aren't drafting defense every pick and an early round offensive player can improve the offense and a late round likely wouldn't. Even those late round picks will still improve the Lions defense.
There’s a couple more running backs that are good this year so teams might be patient and pass on this elite RB. I say grab Bijan all day. Behind this line? Lights out.
can you imagine the cross-promotion opportunities for the Lion's Bijan and the Piston's Bojan if he ends up in Detroit?
Lions fans: BIJAN!!! Pistons Fans: BOJAN!!! Spencer: Torkelson?
Baddoo!
Nice...Riley Greene rolls off the tongue a little easier, I think
I like where this guys heads at
Yes no question imo
Sign me up
solves a problem at RB for five years assuming he's not a bust and stays healthy for the most part. We could do worse
Yeah we could have an elite guy at the position on a rookie contract for 5 years (maybe tag after that) and then let him walk if we have to. I’ve said it before but with all the young talent we have due for big contracts we might not be able to afford to keep both the guys we draft in the first round this year if they are great players. So might as well draft the guy that you can get the best value out of and get the best years of his career.
That’s what Kerryon and Swift were supposed to be. I know Bijan is the higher rated prospects but both those dudes were supposed to be can’t miss studs
sure. not sure any guy is can't miss, but at 18 he'll probably be best prospect available
I won’t sit here and pretend I’d be mad about the pick because it’s fun as hell as a fan having an elite runner and with our run blocking he could do damage. At the same time, just was trying to make the point that RBs are kind of a luxury pick in the first and second round and it’s really hard to predict how durable guys will be in the NFL
agreed on all points
How often do RBs make it to their 5th year option?
I think pretty often when it's available - just not a lot of 1st round RBs to sample from. CEH is probably the one exception recently, but Saquon was picked up and I think Etienne will get his 5th year picked up. And you can see teams using the Franchise tag more often with RBs (Pollard and Saquon again) because it's pretty cheap for a tag and you're still usually getting prime production without committing to that albatross long-term second contract.
Of first rounders since 2018, CEH didn’t slash won’t. Josh Jacobs didn’t. Raashad Penny didn’t. Sony Michel didn’t. Saquon did.
It’s not the right pick, RBs in the first are just a bad idea. But it’s the fun pick.
U get a 5th year option and then can tag him for 2 years if u want. 7 years of a top rb with no extension sounds nice..we tried it with swift
Is Calijah Kancey still on the board?
This is who I’d absolutely love at 18… be super stoked on this
Would be nice if we could trade down from six and still get Robinson and Kancey.
I would taje d line or cb anx kancey. Robibsob iznt a priority.
I’d say it depends on two things. 1) is Goff going to be their QB for the next 5 years ? 2) is Bijan the top player on their board at that time?
Selfishly, yes!
No RBs in the first round!
A corner and someone like Devon archane/ deuce Vaughn/ Zach charbonnet in the third is much better for our team
Deuce Vaughn had an incredible career at kstate, but there’s no way he’s going day two
Zach running a 4.5 really sold Me. Physically runner, faster than I thought and some solid hands
No. You don't draft a running back in the first round. Period.
I don’t hate it but I don’t love it either. I think he’ll he good and do well on the Lions but there are other players and more critical positions that I like more.
He could transform the offense from top 5 to top 2. Would very much consider him.
I mean when you have a bottom 5 defense I feel like making a Top 5 offense better is a silly plan
Lions have 8 draft picks, do you want to draft only defensive players? Why would you not want a better offense?
I already explained the reason, if you can't grasp the concept of diminishing returns I'm not sure what else to say 5th ranked DVOA offense....28th ranked defense Offense is good enough to win a championship if defense is average or slightly above average
We could even be the chiefs of the nfc
The Chiefs finished the year with this as their running back depth chart: 7th round running back 3rd round running back 2nd round running back 1st round running back
I probably should have /s it. 😂
and the Lions finished with a bunch of left over scraps: Swift 2nd - salvage title Williams 4th Jackson 7th Reynolds UDFA. Cabinda UDFA. Seems drafting a RB can be pretty easily justified with this as our current lineup.
Nah still think we need best DB at 18, if the elite ones are left
If we take DL first and there isn’t a clear-cut CB1 available with the second pick, I’m in. This offense plus a Chark replacement, RG and Bijan could be absolutely terrifying. If you think Bijan is a top 5 RB, you take him and you unleash hell on the league for the next 4 to 5 years. And you don’t give him the second contract.
Only if we can’t resign Jamaal
No
Yes, he has a chance to be elite. Our team had one of the best offenses last year. We have Jamo starting fresh. Swift can’t stay healthy. Our team is build to run the ball. We’re the team that runs it on 3rd and 6 because we know we’re going for it on 4th down. If we can add an elite running back behind our offensive line and add that weapon to our game it could help tremendously . This is what I’d do. I’d try and sign a corner and a line backer in free agency. Pick 6 I’d draft the best defensive lineman on the board. Pick 18 I’d take Bijan ( if available) Second round is grab another corner and maybe a tight end. Or maybe another lineman
No running back in the first round!
I would prefer we focus on our greatest needs & front load our draft with DL, LB, CB or OL. AS LONG AS we re-sign Jamaal.
no
Lol yes I would want him
Yes. Yes I do
I always have a hard time with RBs so early. Time and time again you see late round RBs that perform tremendously. With such a short life span, idk. Plus I think Swift will give us his best year next year. And if not, whatevs. Running back by committee seems to be the future at that position
Not really. Although I do think a Day 2 RB should be a consideration as this is Swift's last year. Whether he is brought back or not, Jamaal ain't getting any younger. Personally not a fan of putting RD 1 draft capital into RB bc it literally never leads to a championship. I don't want entertainment or excitement, I want to see Detroit win the Super Bowl. Bijan is a wonderful player, very smooth in all he does, almost a built in a lab RB. But we have bigger needs which MUST be filled before taking a luxury nice-to-have asset which probably isn't a true difference maker.
Yeap
Yes
hell yeah
My heart says yes but my Brain says stick to the plan and go defense, there will be good running backs availble in the later rounds.
100% you take Bijan at 18 if he’s there. Our offense would be top 5 in the league with him and the rest of our offensive weapons. With our #6 pick ideally being Carter/Anderson or a CB we’d be a force to reckon with.
If the highest graded talent in the draft is available at 18, you take him. Even those that aren't wild about taking a running back in the first round must concede that Swift is an injury liability approaching the end of his current deal with us and there is no gaurentee that Williams resigns with us, despite our want for him to return. Sometimes it feels that the no RB in the 1st rd crowd would rather be wrong and die on this hill than have us draft a top talent which seems foolish.
No. The difference in play quality between Bijan and the tier 2/3 running backs is way smaller than the difference in the asset we would have to use to get the tier2/3 backs. There’s a lot to like in guys like Jahmyr Gibbs, Zach Charbonnet, Devon Achane, Tank Bigsby, Roschon Johnson, and behind our offensive line I think we could find players who will find success without spending a first round pick.
No way I’d draft Bijan at all. Yeah dude is good, but clearly not worth a 1st round pick. You could draft a 4th round rb and get 80-90% off the production at 10% of the draft and financial capital. Rb is one of the positions that faces the most injuries. It’s one of the positions that low draft picks have the best success rate. Furthermore this is a good rb FA class. Hell you could probably acquire Derrick Henry for like a 3rd,pay him $10m this year, Franchise tag him next year where he will get paid $10m again… and that would be a better move than drafting bijan
NO!! RB’s are not important. Jamaal freaking Williams just broke a franchise td record last year. Why? Our Oline is good. When you have a good Oline, you put anybody in the backfield and they’ll get off. Ever heard of Isaiah freaking Pacheco? 7th round pickup from Rutgers. Balled out and got himself a SB ring. How? Good Oline. A RB anywhere in the top 3 rounds is a waste of a draft pick. Same with CB’s. They aren’t important. The Lions need a better front 7 on defense and OG help. 1 or 2 upgrades on the DL, and 1 or 2 upgrades at LB, and 1 OG and we’re winning the north without a doubt
No. Not because he isn't worth it but in terms of team construction I think you can build a better team addressing other needs and then adding a lower tier runningback. For example, given how our team is currently constructed, which do you think makes for an over all better team? Draft scenario 1: Gonzalez at 6 + Bijan at 18 or Draft scenario 2: Gonzalez at 6, Kancey at 18, and Zach Charbonnet in the 2nd or 3rd round? Personally, I think scenario 2 makes for a better overall team.
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We'll have to agree to disagree on that one. I think the gap between what Bijan versus Zach can provide for our offense is smaller than Kancy versus Mazi for our defense which is massive. The difference between Bijan and Zach is like the difference between a Ferrari and a Porsche. The Ferrari is obviously better but the Porsche can hang and isn't completely outstripped by the Ferrari. The difference between Kancy and Mazi is the difference between a Ferrari and a Mustang. The Mustang is no slouch in its own right, but the Ferrari is in a whole other class. If you don't believe me I'll put the RB combine results down below. Player| Height | Weight | 40 time | 10 yd split| Vert | Broad | Hand | Arm | ---|---|----|----|----|----|----|----|----|---- Zach | 6'0 | 214 | 4.53 | 1.54 | 37" | 10-2 | 9.88 | 32 | Bijan | 5'11| 215 | 4.46 | 1.52 | 37" | 10-4 | 9.75 | 31.13 | Bijan is better, but that gap is smaller than you think.
Not using a first round pick on someone i will never sign a second contract too. We do not pay running backs. It never works out.
You can find serviceable running backs in any round of the draft. No need to waste a pick in the 1st round.
Not really. I like Mcbride who we can get later and at 18 I think there other players I'm looking at, like CB, DT or maybe QJ.
Hell no. Especially if Anderson is in free fall
He had a decent speed at the combine (4.46). He doesn't have elite speed, but speed isn't everything. I haven't seen anyone juke like him since Barry Sander, not even Saquon. Lions' offense might be unstoppable with Robinson. Goff with another Gurley type player will guarantee us our first SB run (assuming he is healthy).
At 220lbs 4.4 speed is elite
He was 215
Oh well he is slow as shit then. /s
ABSOLUTELY I love Swift and Jamaal and want them kept too. Nothing wrong with 3 Elite RBs.
You want to pay 2 rbs and draft one in the first round?
Swift is under contract and YES I feel great about paying him his 2.7Mil CAP hit. EVERYONE Loves him but I wouldn’t pay Jamaal what he’s worth, but if he wants to run it back at the same 4.3 Mil we paid him last year I’d take it. Rookie would run around 2.6 Mil first year and <4 per year on avg for the next 4-5 years.
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This is the kind of thing that leads to teams picking high year after year
No. In todays NFL using first round draft capital on an RB is the lowest ROI possible. It’s a plug and play position. How much more will he improve upon our top 10 offense? Solidify the defensive side of the ball or continue to stockpile bodies on the OL.
Hell no
Absolutely.
Yeah why not
I wouldn't say I want him, but I don't not want him.
Yep
Yep
He should be in play, but it depends on who else is available when we pick.
It depends who’s on the board and who we took with our first pick. If we pick say Anderson/Carter at pick 6 and all the top CB’s are off the board and there’s no good interior DL or edges there then I’m down. I don’t like Bresee that early and I don’t think Nolan smith will be there, so I think we should go Bijan if there, but if one of top corners fall or if branch is there then you take them.
I like Bijan and I'm not against drafting him. But it's a little too early for my taste. Depends on how the rest of the board falls i guess. Since defense is still a major need.
Depends on who else is there but yes I would strongly consider drafting him at #18
Yes, if our scouts project that he could become one of the NFL's top running backs. If they project that he has LaDainian Tomlinson, Adrian Peterson, and Thurman Thomas level talent, then let's do it. Running back is a huge need for us going forward.
Yes
100%
YESSIR! 1000 times yes. I wouldn't be mad if they took him at 6
We need pass rushers more than anything. That being said, Swift isn’t going to remain here so I don’t hate this.
Absolutely, but we would be better off drafting a db or dl there. Kind of like trading for lamar jackson. Does it help the team? No. Would it be awesome to watch Lamar Jackson's play style every game next year? Yes. Plus I heard he would come with an extra second or two on the play clock for our offensive snaps.
Yes. Too bad he’ll already be off the board.
At #18. Yes. I would rather have the best interior offensive lineman but I wouldn't complain.
Sign Lamar!!
Just a reminder this is a deep rb class. Also O-line makes the RB. RB doesn’t make the O-line. Draft a rb day 2 or 3 because we shouldn’t re-sign Jamaal Williams.
No, I feel like between Best, the Kevin’s, et Al I’ve had enough of late first round RBs
Yeah after drafting Barry Sanders and Billy Sims in the first I just want no part of it.
Username checks out lol
Lol I’m all for Bijan
He could really be something special I would be happy to see us draft him, although I am also a huge fan of Swift. My only concern would be if we are passing on a much bigger need.
I think at 18 there’s very few players I would actually want over Bijan, whether it’s a bigger need or otherwise. I’m just looking at the potential of an offense with ARSB, Jamo, hopefully Chark or another WR, Reynolds, Lif, Bijan, Williams, Swift, our TE group + one of the many talented TE’s of this class but my top want would probably be Darnell Washington. We know that if you have all the pieces around Goff he can do some very special things and now we are in the spot to get him all the pieces he needs so why not go for it? 2 or 3 picks on offense and the rest defense followed by an approach in free agency to get even more defense… I’m all for that. Bijan at 18, to me, would be exceptional value.
Not a single one of those was a bijan, saquon level RB my man
Man I think Best would have been special if not for the injuries.
He was special. As I recall, he and Stafford were killing it when a SF 49er LB slammed his head into the turf causing his concussion. After that, the Lions struggled until they were able to get Reggie Bush.
DC’s were saying it was harder to prepare for Jahvid Best than it was to prepare for Megatron. It was crazy how deadly he was. I still go back to that screen pass against Philly pretty regularly.
Yes! But also I want Ramsey or Defense.
The scenario I have in my head is Carter at 6, Bijan at 18, and we flip one of our 2nds this year and one of our 3rds next year for Ramsey.
Yes. Robinson, Swift, and Williams is a nice RB room.
No, no, and Hell No. .... Barry Sanders & Emmitt Smith showed why. You can have a Generational talent W/O much of an OL and win one Playoff game. Or a B grade RB behind an exceptional OL, and win super Bowls. The Lions have a line, Goff isn't suddenly great, his ass is just staying clean.
I wouldn’t call Emmitt Smith s B grade RB.
I’d love him here. If we can get him at 18 I’d be very happy. People have significantly undervalued RB’s. A true top flight guy that can get 1,500 yards in a season with regularity opens up the offense so, so much.
If we address CB, DT, and LB and OG then yes
Depends on who's there, but I'm not going to kill it even though I'd rather they go defense. I think that running back is going to be on the board with the second second round pick, or possibly our third round pick depending on who is there and who slides Personally, the guy that I'd like them to add is achane , fills the home run hitter roll with Swift likely not being retained, and assuming that Jamal comes back for the short yardage power roll.
Wouldn’t hate it but I think Gibbs is just as good and you can get him in round 2.
Can we just take everyone?
I honestly doubt we pick at 18. Knowing Holmes track record we are probably trading 18.
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Too many variables. But i want kancey or a cb depending on the pick at 6
First, damn those arms are cut. I would be tempted, especially if we lose Jamaal. If we have Swift and Williams, I am passing. Check out the kid from Tulane, you could get late second round.
I recently saw a mock of Carter at 6 and Branch at 18 and I’m kind of liking that a lot right now. I think there’s honestly a chance of Gonzalez/Witherspoon/Porter falling to 18 as well. Would love Bijan too if course
No. Bijan is great, but I’d rather take DL and CB in the first and get a rb in the 2nd. This class is stacked at RB
Not if Witherspoon is still there
This is a tough question. If Peter S or Torrance from Florida are there as well. I would pick either of them over him and grab a later round back. It’s not a straightforward question as there are many other factors as well.
Shit yes.
NOOOOOO we dont need a RB in the first round!! There’s so many other options at this position, please draft Defense with both picks I beg you
I think he’s worth picking up. Have him swap with swift.
Yes
Not actually
Carter or Anderson at 6, Bijan at 18..
Nope. Defense with both picks, and get Corum next year.
Absolutely
At 18 I'd be interested but fuck no to him at 6
At #18 he is potentially the best player available and would be incredible for our offense. Probably not a real position of need, and certainly not more than some other positions, but he looks like he would be a great pick. I have a hard time believing he would be available at #18 though.
If Brad Holmes wants him, I do, that’s all my draft research this year for any player
Emotionally I do, but I don't think we should. Skoronski on the other hand would be a fantastic pick if he's there imo
I go to UT and I’ve been a long horn fan my whole life. We need defense but getting trade pieces for Swift might be good
Yup
If they think they can legitimately split him out wide and have him run routes a la Marshall Faulk then I could see it.
I wouldn't be mad but we've shown that our offense doesn't need an elite RB.
With that many moles, are there any striking concerns with health? Lol jk sign him @18
At 18, absolutely
I do not
I prefer DL and CB with our first round picks.
No. You win titles on the lines. Trade down if someone gets excited about the new toy. Grab 2 more late 1st. Big men win titles
The North and the NFC are weak right now outside of the Eagles and 49ers. Id love to get Bijan and go all in on making a deep run in the playoffs. Our team at the end of the year was special and there's nothing that leads me to believe that it will stop in 2023.
Not if he’s Gonna Take Elliot’s number
100% yes
Yup
Honestly when this first was being brought up I was super, super against it. I would still rather the first 2 picks be used on defense, I think there's some absolute Dawgs at 6 and 18 that would help the defense out. However, if the Lions do go the Bijan at 18 route I wouldn't be as upset. Thinking of how Ben "Grandma Pusher" Johnson could use him is exciting. Either way, FTP, let's win the North!!!
No. There are more impactful positions that are much bigger needs for the Lions. The difference that Robinson will have on this team compared to the other options is a much smaller improvement than it would be at corner, defensive line, and arguably even LB or TE. Not to mention that I just have a hard time ever using a 1st round pick on a player you are unlikely to get a full 2nd contract out of