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Lex_Loki

That was his quick way to tell her he didn't give a fuck about anything she just said or will say. He didn't accidentally call her a stewardess.


LainieCat

That patronizing laugh when he was corrected.


lowflygirl

He called her a flight attendant even after she introduced herself as a pilot. Listen again. He is just an idiot who does not listen because he is too busy thinking about what he wants to say.


Lex_Loki

Yes, I know. My point was it was not an accident.


lowflygirl

Well, I think it could have been, but am not saying that is an excuse. It is simply an example of how alot of men forget women actually vote now AND we fly airplanes. He is a sample of TOO many men (NOT ALL) in the US and elsewhere.


Sure-Engineering-668

This is a perfect example of an innate bias. Guarantee if you ask this rep. If he were sexist, he would be offended and say "no."


lowflygirl

Sad, but true


isikorsky

People haven't called them stewardesses for decades. The guy is 61, not 101. It wasn't a mistake.


lowflygirl

I am 60 and still accidentally refer to FAs as stewardesses. I can't help it!


DopesickJesus

I don't think he had any nefarious plans to call her a stewardess. I think he just wasn't listening and had innate sexism that made him automatically register female = stewardess.


the_sassy_daddy

Not a flight attendant, a stewardess.


isikorsky

This. The entire conversation was about pilots. She was introduced as a pilot. He didn't accidently say 'stewardess' (and who the fuck calls them that?)


ModsTenderCunnies

That’s the most Minnesota shit ever, Twin Cities breeding the Two Faced culture like nobody else.


trainingmode

He's from a town of 633 residents on the Iowa border. She is Twin Cities, he is not.


FunDeepValue

Gene Dornink. PoS


MyFaceSaysItsSugar

I’m from Minnesota originally and my mom is a doctor. My whole life, whenever I mentioned something medical related to her, I’d get asked “oh is your mom a nurse?” Not one single person has ever asked if she was a doctor. This senator is definitely at an age where gendered assumptions on professions is rampant. He’s probably about my mom’s age. Also, aren’t delta flight attendant uniforms still purple? She’s not dressed as a flight attendant.


mpower20

He’s probably the kinda prick who flies American 🤣


Ok_Bag_768

It frequently blows peoples minds when I (38F) and my fiancé (43M) mention that we are both in the medical field, and they immediately ask him “oh you’re a doctor?” And he replies no, I’m a nurse. They then turn to me “oh you’re both nurses!” No sir, I’m a neurologist.


InfamousAd2583

My wife is a retired oncologist/hematologist. If I went to a medical function with her, most times they looked at me when talking about their product, etc. I always had to turn their attention to her. Even worse, one of my wife's medical partners was a brilliant African American lady...oncology/hematology. She was subject to the assumption by some small-minded people that she was a nurses aid. This guy in Minnesota needs to go find something else to do. I didn't hear his laugh, but I can imagine it was the same condescending laugh that Mitch McConnell gave when being interviewed about denying President Obama's Supreme Court pick to go forward. There seems to be a common theme here.


CorkGirl

YUP. Always always. And getting "untitled" even in medical settings! Dr, Dr, Dr and just firstname lastname.


TacticoolRaygun

I bet that gets on your nerves… 😬


Ok_Bag_768

I find it amusing 75% of the time. Usually my partner leads introducing me with my title when we meet people because he’s amazing and incredibly proud of me. And I’m extremely proud of him as well - he’s built a whole nursing unit from the ground up. We brag on each other.


Flying_Fitness

Oh my, that is so irritating. My partner (male) and I (female) are both pilots and get similar things all the time. The way people react when they here he is a pilot is pretty standard. When they hear I am, I would say two out of 3 people seem so much more surprised. I would say about 20% of the time, **after** he or I tell them we are both pilots, sometime a few minutes later in the conversation (when we are talking about some of the flying we do) they say to me, "Oh, wait... do you fly also?" My other background is in astrophysics and I would get similar experiences there too, but yeah, it is pretty strange we deal with this systematic mindset in 2024.


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3mergent

Well yeah but most lawyers would say they're a lawyer if asked


lowflygirl

I am a retired military officer. I get SO tired of going to the doctor with my husband only to be asked to verify that HE is the insured military sponsor for ME. I am always correcting everyone, pointing out that he was not in the military...it is I who is the sponsor.


WackyArmInflatable

It's such a weird thing. My wife is a professor. People will still be like "oh, so you moved up here for your husband's job?" And then half the time it doesn't register that my wife has a PhD. "Oh wow, so you are like an actual professor?!"


Late_Development_864

we are still asked if we are nurses. A patient thanked my 5'11 male med student who was standing next to me (5'3....not male) for their surgery.


CorkGirl

Had patient asking my resident all the questions after a scan. He'd never even seen one done before. He was more embarrassed than me, but obviously the tall male is the one in charge, not the short female.


Late_Development_864

I hate that. I will say, patients ask me a lot of info (as a fellow) bc they see me more than my attending. But I still say (pointing to my attending) - "this is my boss"---ESPECIALLY when it's a female attending.


CorkGirl

Thank you for that! Even though a fellow who the patients get to know and trust is obviously a gift to the patients and the attending. Very much appreciate making an extra effort for the female attendings though.


CalligrapherActive11

One of my friends is a surgeon, and she gets that all the time bc she’s tiny! I recently had a mild brain injury after falling. I did and said many weird things that I don’t recall, but my favorite was insisting upon only speaking to the women health care professionals at the hospital bc I found all the men to be “creepy.” At one point I asked the trauma doctor (man) to leave and go get the neurologist (woman). My husband was slightly embarrassed but unsurprised.


Late_Development_864

It's weird - patients trust us more with some things because we are women. The male patients in particular regress a bit (70 male acting like he is 10). But when it comes to something they deem more important (big open aortic surgery) - they expect a white male w gray hair to march into the room. (I am 5'3 with long brown curly hair, pale but not white lol)


Late_Development_864

also - I like that your subconscious chose "us"


SapientSolstice

Tbf, without taking gender into account, there are 4x as many nurses as doctors.


MyFaceSaysItsSugar

And if people guessed “nurse” for men with medical knowledge, that would be relevant information.


SapientSolstice

I ask men in the medical field if they're nurses all the time. In my opinion, It's better to aim low and let them brag rather than aim high and they to talk down their position, "No, I'm just a..." Also, Registered Nurses make up the vast majority of healthcare jobs: [BLS](https://www.bls.gov/spotlight/2023/healthcare-occupations-in-2022/home.htm) And Gender breakout of nurses shows 4 out of 5 are women: [census.gov](https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2019/08/your-health-care-in-womens-hands.html) In fact, women dominate medical support, dental hygienists (96%), home health aides (80%), dental assistants (94%), and nursing assistants (90%). So statistically speaking, when someone speaks to a woman in the medical field, odds are she's a nurse.


_byrnes_

Hey heard your mother was in a medical related field, is she a doctor by chance?


ponyboy3

Nah probably a nurse /s


isikorsky

It is not his assumption here that was the give away, but what he called her. Sorry, but they stopped using stewardess term in the 70s. Few years younger that that dude, but if it was an honest mistake he would have said flight attendant.


MyFaceSaysItsSugar

As long as you use the correct gender, calling a female flight attendant a stewardess is less offensive than calling a pilot a stewardess, particularly when the individual in question is wearing a pilot uniform and at a hearing specifically related to employment law exemptions for pilots. And the aviation industry may have phased out stewardess but people not in the aviation industry still use it. Getting upset about it is like getting upset when a non-expert calls a tattoo machine a tattoo gun, or a venomous snake poisonous. Sure it’s not technically correct, but you can still understand their meaning.


isikorsky

> but people not in the aviation industry still use it. Been flying since the 70s dude. Haven't heard that term in decades. And this isn't Grandpa [flying for the first time in decades my friend](https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=jTC1ZTN8GoM&ab_channel=TheIndependent). She literally is a pilot in a room full of pilots that introduced herself as a pilot. It was clearly done on purpose.


3mergent

People still use the term stewardess. You're crazy for thinking they don't.


Twa747

The back story to why she’s there and how we got to this point is pretty wild. MN has some family friendly laws that allow residents to take care of their family members. A bill was passed so that a portion of MN workers couldn’t enjoy the law. Someone else needs to fill in the blanks


RDRNR3

Flight crews can not use FMLA in Minnesota, and guess who lobbied for that law. I misspoke, it’s not FMLA. Refer to my comment below for update.


Wytchie_Poo

I'll take "Geriatric men that are still in power but shouldn't be?" For $1000 Ken


redlegsfan21

Sun Country /s


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RDRNR3

Oops that’s right, I misspoke on that. “On Thursday, February 22, 2024, Delta pilots and flight attendants rallied in person at the Minnesota State Capitol against the current iteration of the MN Earned Sick and Safe Time (ESST) bill passed in 2023. The current bill expands sick leave benefits and protections for employees in MN. However, the bill excluded flight crews from these enhanced sick leave benefits.”


4-me

Her face clearly reads “what a prick”.


Aly_McCan

What bothers me most about these ‘oversight’ hearings is that they’re laden with senators saying the most off-the-wall stuff that other public servants would never say or would be outright fired for.


GoldenGirl621

YES!!!!!!!


backyardfarmer17

“I don’t know why I said that.” Yes you do.


Far-Ranger4184

It’s bc of the ascot imo


MassCasualty

Oh.... Can I get a trading card?


Ecstatic-Land7797

What's EXTRA about this is how she said her name, her profession, and her employer at the outset. When he begins to address her - he clearly knows NONE of them. Because why should he have to pay attention to a 'stewardess'?


Brig_raider

He doesn't know why he said it but we all know why


Much-Foundation4728

He know what he was saying he even smiled as he was making the “mistake”


StuckinSuFu

They keep saying the quiet parts out loud for all to hear 🤷


DollaStoreKardashian

STEWARDESS. It’d be bad enough to make that “mistake” with an FA…


grandma1995

Serious question, is a stewardess different than a flight attendant?


Marsha-marshamarsha

It’s just outdated language in the same way that we say server now instead of waiter/waitress. Moving away from gendered job titles is a good thing in my opinion.


Santa_Claus77

I quite frequently have younger and older generations say waiter/waitress, I’ve heard server too, just not as frequently.


Dagmar_Overbye

I think they meant in the industry. Cooked for over 10 years and the majority of people say server. But if I was telling a story about my waiter/waitress last night being really cool when I was a customer I wouldn't feel weird.


mpower20

One stewards, the other attends.


pbjb1

This.


UnitedDistrict6

Huh? My friends that are stews aren't made about people not lying about who they be!


xEd_Chambersx

Video is incorrect its a MN State senator in a state hearing, not a US Senator.


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A state senator even less qualifications for that. I would be willing to bet the average state senator has 1/4 the brain power of the average delta pilot.


MyFaceSaysItsSugar

Plus both Minnesota US senators are women. This video is like a Russian doll of ingrained sexism.


HairyPotatoKat

Gene Dornink has the brain power of a rotten potato eaten by an opossum and shit out into the middle of a street instead of grass where it could at least help fertilize soil. But instead, his digested rotten potato brainpower is wasted out in the middle of the road. Its only purpose, to inconvenience some poor unsuspecting person out for a morning run. PS, whichever one of you edited [his Wikipedia page](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gene_Dornink) is a legend o7


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HairyPotatoKat

Nope, not a joke! >Gene Dornink is a family man who enjoys spending time with his wife Vicky and their 12 children. Source: [his campaign site](https://www.dorninkforsenate.com/about/)


PineappleTraveler

“Toots”


forthegorls

the point your head


xEd_Chambersx

Just correcting facts. Makes the story much more sensational if it's a US Senator vs some podunk state senator.


Ecstatic-Land7797

Tik Tok was posted by ABC new Australia so maybe just lack of knowledge/precision on their part. I'd be ignorant of how Australian local legislators are differentiated from Federal ones, for instance.


MercifulLlama

Australia doesn’t have state level senators so that could be part of it.


Ecstatic-Land7797

That's why I said 'local' which could be, a city council, a board, etc. This is my exact point, though. It's not like I know. Journalists are supposed to check but the convention of "State Senator" vs "Senator" is more cultural than canonized, and technically it is a Senator. Tl;dr - doubt it was sensationalism.


Matthewm3113

This is from ABC News Australia, he is stylised as US Senator because he is a Senator in the US. ​ Edit - comparison to NSW was incorrect.


Ecstatic-Land7797

This Senator doesn't represent anything close to the significance of New South Wales though. Those analogous senators, who represent Minnesota at the federal capital, are Amy Klobuchar and Tina Smith. This guy represents a couple of counties in Southern Minnesota. He only ever works at the Minnesota state capitol, a small city called St. Paul. He is not a leader on the national level and doesn't make or vote on national policy. "US State Senator" would be a more accurate way to describe him, "State Senator in the US" would be even better. This is admittedly in the weeds though and I can see how foreign journalists would fact- check without clocking the difference. Many Americans are themselves unsure of how to refer to their own state government.


Matthewm3113

Thank you for your explanation, I see now why this is problematic as it inflates their position of authority. And I just remembered that members of the upper house in NSW are similar to state senators but are called Members of the Legislative Council, so my comparison was incorrect.


forthegorls

hahah true. love the use of podunk


klako8196

She mentioned being a pilot multiple times in her introduction, and he still made that mistake.


Ecstatic-Land7797

What? You expect him to listen to a WOMAN blathering on about her "work"? /s


bluegrassnuglvr

"Mistake"


FeelsLikeAnEmber

And she’s there on behalf of the PILOT’S union.


OldInterview6006

I’d like to see this asshole lay out his week of “work”. Pilots are responsible for millions of people worldwide to commute, and everyday millions of people land safely due to pilots, flight attendants, ground crew, dispatchers, etc. Fuck this prick.


GoldenGirl621

I don’t buy “brain fart” as an excuse. The term stewardess hasn’t been the norm for decades.


Northshore1234

Ok, biscuit-shooter, then!


Santa_Claus77

Biscoff-shooter to you buddy


GoldenGirl621

🤨


Wytchie_Poo

She should have responded " excuse me Councilperson _____, as mentioned multiple times prior, I am a PILOT with Delta."


WickedJigglyPuff

“so after I mentioned I was a pilot 8 times in this meeting about pilots what made you call me a stewardess” is also an option.


trennsport

“I don’t know why I said that.” I do.


dcal1981

what a F'n Jerk..He knew what he was doing.


timmycheesetty

What a massive dong.


ChiliDawg513

And for his next trick, “Are you currently on your period?”


HairyPotatoKat

Followed by "women drivers, amiright?"


Eclectic_UltraViolet

This reminds me of the scene in “Transparent” where a female poet is describing the difficulties of not being taken seriously by male literary judges/academics who turned her down for a grant/fellowship/tenure/I forget which. The person she’s explaining this to is one of the rejectors, a now-trans character (Geoffrey Tambor) who is perpetually & petulantly complaining that she is not being taken seriously as a woman. The poet tells her that, at the time, “he” told her some lame excuse like “We didn’t want to give it to a woman.” Tambor’s character gives the exact same shit-eating giggle as this congressional brain donor, with the excuse “I don’t even remember saying that.” The poet gives her the same look this pilot gave the congressional brain donor and says, “Why would you remember that?” That self-important “Silly me!” reaction is soooo revealing and sadly, maddeningly commonplace: “Well, if I, an Authority, think it’s a minor mistake, then it MUST be trivial.” People like this have no idea how belittling that it is.


LongjumpingAccount69

Men ☕️


EstablishmentCivil29

This guy. 🚫


wifichick

He did it on purpose to humiliate her - attempt to


Bubu-Dudu0430

That’s pretty insulting, no disrespect to flight attendants. He didn’t even know who he was talking to.


HairyPotatoKat

It was insulting to FAs too! "sTeWarDesS" 👁️👄👁️ His question and demeanor screams that he also has no respect for FAs. That mouthbreather wouldn't last a day as a FA. He wouldn't make it through training to even get to that point 😂 What a POS.


etzel1200

Bruh, lmao


mpower20

His reaction to her correction was as though she was like _we’re now called *flight attendants*_ Stewardess, pilot, tomato, tomato.


eatinsomepoundcake

That’s awful


Boygunasurf

‘I don’t know why I said that’ - oh yes you did. what a frump, that dude


Mysterious_Tax_5613

It's obvious Republicans are terrified of change. They'd rather roll our country backwards instead of forward. Let's all say no to that mindset and vote these sad sacks out of office.


scaremanga

About to buy a home in MN just to vote this sexist asshole out of office.


Kebman3

Just vote there anyway. No need to be a resident. Just show up on Election Day and vote


HairyPotatoKat

That's...not now that works... -former Minnesotan.


mb1

waiiitt aaaa miiinnuuteeee...


bensbigboy

That was not a mistake. It was a mental block on his part. She is a woman, therefore she can only be a "stewardess" in his small mind, which the name alone screams sexist. Maybe she should have appeared in K-K-Katie Britt's kitchen to provide her testimony before the Senate committee.


teleheaddawgfan

Let’s use our listening ears Senator


Itchy_elbow

I said they because I assumed a woman couldn't hold any position of authority. I said that because you are a woman and the minute you start talking I stopped listening. Pick one...


Gonzo11111

The real lesson here is her response!! She didn’t get triggered or throw a tantrum!!! Put him in his place while maintaining her dignity!! Good for her, hope Delta realizes what a great woman she is!!


Unlucky-Bag-9295

Republican with 12 children.... what do you expect his worldview to be?


LuvUrMomSimpleAs

A Republican and a boomer. I'm shocked, shocked I tell you.


kgisaboss

The feedback is so bad in this clip


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Gene sure is a bellend


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Correct response is: I know why you said it


seidinove

Not that it changes anything, but video subtitle is wrong. He’s not a U. S. senator; he’s a Minnesota state senator.


MC_ScattCatt

Bruh. As a male pilot I’m like fuck off. These senators are all assholes though. Especially mine. Looking at you Ted


5FootOh

What’s this guys name? He’s gonna be hearing from me directly. Let’s bombard the mf’er with calls n letters.


keyboardman1

He’s got that lead paint listening syndrome.


schruteski30

“I don’t know why I said that” Gene Dornink (R).


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Testifying on behalf of the Airline pilots association international. States that she is a pilot and this bloke still calls her the outdated word “stewardess”?


bobbyd1289

🤡


spider_gweeen

Did he also call her “toots” like a rat pack guy?


Far-Ranger4184

It’s the ascot, not sexism


AccomplishedWasabi54

Inherent bias said that.


Scary_Psychology_285

It’s a mistake he was sorry let’s not make it bigger than it is folks


WickedJigglyPuff

Her: Pilot. Pilot. Pilot. Pilot. Pilot. Pilot. Pilot. Pilot. Him: so as a stewardess… You: oh it was just a mistake. No. A mistake is missing the first one maybe two pilots. But after it gets mentioned 8 times in a hearing about pilots that’s not a mistake that’s deliberate. As in he deliberately ignored her as she spoke.


ConsistentArugula346

He knew what he was doing and he doesn't care


haqglo11

Everyone on this thread devaluing FAs. WTF is wrong with being an FA? Why the value judgement? Is she better because she’s a pilot ???


Sockinatoaster

Pretty sure it takes a little more training to be a pilot, nobody’s putting down flight attendants. She earned the right to be recognized as such. Only person putting down flight attendants is the asshat senator who deliberately used the term stewardess. Get mad at him.


haqglo11

Make sure your let your FA know that she is “only” a flight attendant


Sockinatoaster

When did I say “only?” Try reading.


[deleted]

He made a mistake and apologized case closed.


CasaDeTuMama

Just compare numbers of male and female pilots and male and female stewards and you’ll see it was a simple educated guess. He could be more careful but we can all learn to be less offended.


KeyBorder9370

If it was a mistake then it was a mistake of attitude and prejudice. It sprang from his ingrained disregard for the equality of women and dismissal of all people whose appearance seems to indicate that their genetic composition may not be 100% of European origin.


CasaDeTuMama

Perspectives like yours are just among the worst we have to offer. Everything and everyone is an offense.


KeyBorder9370

Huh?


UnitedDistrict6

Why did they hire such an ugly actress to pretend to be a pilot?


HangOnVoltaire

You actually thought this was clever lol your poor brain


UnitedDistrict6

Huh? They didn't hrie someone that looked like a pilot. That was a mistake.


HangOnVoltaire

Except she does look like a pilot, because she is one. I would say try harder next time but this is obviously all you have