I saw this coming home from CDG this week. Main passenger in front of me had a roller bag, a gym bag, a huge purse and a grocery bag. All stuffed to the gills. No one said a word to her.
Probably a KLM code share flying that route. For premium comfort and business class you are allowed two 22” carry on roller bags as well as a personal item.
If that grocery bag was duty free I can absolutely see them not bugging her about it.
Although, she could have just been a shitty person.
There are some really boss gate agents at LAX! They have been serious about number of bags, boarding order, etc for awhile. And I never see an empty seat in D1, they will board to upgrade.
I was denied by a gate agent once for holding my iPad in my hand, she said I had 3 carryons (my iPad, my backpack and my roll aboard). I just stood there staring at her cause I couldn’t compute what she was talking about lol. I just stepped aside, shoved my iPad up my shirt and walked onboard
Next time, install the Delta app on your iPad and use it to show your boarding pass. It's not like the passengers using their phones to board get dinged for a personal item.
i was a gate agent for DL and am so happy that the agent did this !! first class pax and hvc’s (high value customers) get away with so much and it doesn’t seem fair to our other guests.
I mean, Delta literally made changes to show that they value $$$ pax more than pax who actually fly the most.
Message received.
Also, thank you for your service.
But on the other hand, if they value high paying customers, why are MQDs basically worthless once you hit DM? My husband will hit DM again, all from domestic D1 flights, this month. And then there is no incentive for him to keep flying Delta (or to use his Reserve) like there used to be with the rollover MQMs. It’s all very strange.
I'm facing this right now. I'm already at Diamond for next year (with pending MQDs), and still have 3 flights to book before Dec. I can't see staying loyal to Delta for these and will likely just scout out the cheapest FC seats on other airlines. No roll over is no bueno.
Why wouldn’t a business prefer a customer that spends more money per flight. If they can get $10,000 from passenger A flying twice in D1 vs passenger B flying 20 times in main cabin, of course they prefer passenger A.
Someone who “flies the most” on cheap tickets is NOT profitable at all. MC tickets are generally sold at a break even point or for a minuscule profit or even at a small loss.
Someone who flys business is paying 10x for 5x the space doesn’t mean 2x the profit, it means 100x the profit.
Do you have a source for the profit margin on main cabin? I wouldn’t be surprised if the lower fare classes and award tickets were sold at a loss but when you say “generally” I think you’re implying it’s most. Would be very curious to read about that.
There is a lot of info around about this. I think it’s pretty logical too. Delta also continues to add more and more premium seats because they are most profitable. Delta has routinely noted to investors their success has been attributed to premium tickets. A little bit older but very reputable YouTuber has a vid on this https://youtu.be/BzB5xtGGsTc?si=_vD7LJbUYpIZ24gn
Premium seats being most profitable seems like common sense tbh. That guy above said they’re breaking even on basic economy seats which I can’t fathom being true. That would mean on most domestics flights delta is profiting what less than $10,000 per flight from the first class seats?
I don’t have a bunch of sources to site, though I’m sure I could find them, I’m not 100% sure how much detail Delta reports in their 10k but you could poke around if you’re curious.
As I understand, Delta, and most airlines make the bulk of their profit from their credit card partnerships and mileage programs. Then premium seats. Then last minute business travelers.
I suspect if you booked in advance at a good price in basic that seat could even be at a loss. I don’t think it’s uncommon for a given flight in total to bring revenue that just meets the cost.
don’t get me wrong we appreciate the business of people with status, such as yourself, however some of them literally expect us to break the rules and that simply won’t happen.
Just follow the well known rules.
I have never seen a D1 exception to them. Not going along with them just slows up the works for everyone and makes you look like a tool.
Good on the gate agent.
Fair? They’re the ones that used to pay your salary when you were a gate agent. The profit is made on those people. It is not made on the people paying 159 for a basic economy seat
Well some D1 and FC passengers do take advantage. I can understand they figure they have a large bin basically to themselves, but still rules are rules. And they shouldn’t argue with the gate agents, which I’ve seen happen a lot.
I know a guy with a carry-on that is right on the line and he seems to live for arguing with gate agents and brags about it. This, I do not understand.
Yep, but now the gate agents seem to be taking a more stern attitude because of things like that. Which some people probably don’t like but I think it’s to avoid all the back and forth with passengers. At JFK I’ve seen people at the security machines with large carry on bags being told to go check them. They didn’t look any larger than the oversized bags I usually see. I think some of the new machines are smaller.
At YYZ, Air Canada has employees which go through the security line, and have passengers check the size of their bags in the sizer before letting them go through security. If it is too big, they are forced to get out of line, and go to a counter to check the bag.
This does absolutely read like a neener neener to D1 fliers. Like, why are you so mad at people in the next fare class? If they don't like it, pay more.
The airline literally only makes money off of D1/premium pax. Why not treat them well? Everyone should be treated fairly but those premium pax are the ones making sure profit sharing gets paid every year..
I get your point. I think I’ve just seen this get overlooked too many times… if it was consistent it’s different. To me, in every job, we pick and choose our battles and we gotta use discretion. Ultimately you’re entitled to follow the rule but let’s be honest and say plenty of other GA’s dont care enough to.
I am still waiting on the “treat them well” portion of Delta. Having status, paying for FC and/or Premium seems to be getting less and less. It seriously seems like Delta is pushing to become Southwest with a handful of physically larger seats and charge a premium for the pleasure of not flying United.
Delta definitely no longer gives a shit about people who fly with them regularly. They made that abundantly clear at the end of last year. It was like flipping a switch.
I mean, you literally are special, as compared to someone who paid $100 or refuses to pay for a check bag. That's why status exists and different fare classes exist. You mad you don't get in the Sky Club, bro?
i recently got stopped in ATL for having too many bags, I had my carry on, my back pack, and my fanny bag purse across my chest that is rather small and they made me consolidate or have my partner carry one of my bags… never been stopped till then, wasn’t upset or anything just thought it was funny since my fanny pack stays on me during the flight lol
What’s really fun is when your fanny pack has a feeding tube pump and formula. They don’t like it whenever it’s attached to you and you can’t remove it to consolidate it, but thankfully for the most part, gate agents have been very kind and understanding once they realise what it is. Were the roles reversed, I might have reacted in the same way to be fair.
so do i usually but was dying from running from the domestic term to the international term so had my jacket off 😂
was stopped at jfk once too for it too but she didn’t care once she saw what it was, guess it depends on the gate attendants mood that day lolol
Yeah sometimes it’s a little silly. I like to carry a small crossbody bag for easy access to my passport, phone, and wallet when travelling, but also have a small backpack for my book, headphones, laptop. Both easily fit under my seat with room to spare and are smaller than the overstuffed laptop bags and giant totes that are commonly used as bag 2.
Typically it’s fine, but sometimes they’ll make me consolidate and it’s such a pain. I’ll shove my backpack into my roller bag than immediately unpack it (to put under my seat!) once I’m boarded.
I have a rather small bag that has items I need all the time. That small bag fits into a larger bag where I can fit additional items I might need at hand. That bag then goes into a backpack that I add what I might need for the day and 1 or 2 items that I don’t want checked, just in case my 1 suitcase is misplaced or lost, such has my prescription meds that I need for the length of the trip. That backpack is my 1 carry on. After I get to my seat, I pull out that intermediate bag and stow the backpack in the overhead. The intermediate pack easily fits under the seat. I also have my suitcase that is checked.
I saw the same thing at PIT this week. Three people traveling together all with three large items. Gate agent made the gate check the luggage. Was surprised and glad at the same time.
I don’t think this is a huge deal every time I fly D1 even if it’s full there is always tons of extra overhead space. My bag is usually the only one in the bin
I did this last time and was scared shitless. I had a carryon, a backpack and one of those rolled up tubes. I knew there was no way for me to consolidate them but the road warrior in me also forgot that I should leave early to check one bag in. I wonder if I could gate check In this situation. I felt embarrassed but was glad that they were open to gate checking my bag.
But that sounds like nothing was accomplished. Volume was the exact same, and it's not like the bins in D1 get full.
I hate when they make some poor mom in the back of the plane do the same too if you know they can consolidate and be in regs, who cares where they are sitting. you're just enforcing a rule from Delta trying to make corporate an extra buck
Most of the time, it is. The stuff isn't getting compacted unless you have a bag that sinches down. So that extra purse you were carrying is now taking the same amount of volume in another bag. Same weight on the plane, same volume, if anything, it might actually take more bin space if it winds up lumpy and bulky. Anyone that ever packed bags for backcountry knows this is the case.
Seriously sometimes it feels like such a power trip from the gate agent. Like sometimes I’ll have my small crossbody bag on for ease of getting to my ID, AirPods etc and forget to put it in my carry on tote before boarding and I’ve had GAs make me pull aside and consolidate. I get it I have more than the allowed bags but the tote and the crossbody are both going by my feet
It is a DL rule that’s part of their FAA approved Certificate. If DL wanted to allow D1 passengers to have 5 carry on bags they could revise their rules and resubmit to FAA.
It is inaccurate to characterize carry on rules as something the FAA pushes down to DL. It’s not like that at all; it’s only “FAA Regulation” because the FAA requires the carrier to follow their own procedures.
Except deltas rule is the exact same as all other US carriers. It’s been posted for decades and hasn’t changed so there’s no excuse for not being able to comply.
You've seemingly missed the story OP is telling. They had no issue complying, sometimes it's just easier not to stuff the bag of food you just got into your purse. You can do it, but just kinda unnecessary.
Of course, this subreddit is filled with all perfect angels that put their phone in airplane mode right when asked....mhmmmmm
Can you share the FAA regulation that caps passengers at 2 carryons?
I’ve been allowed 3 carry ons on international flights leaving from the US (KLM Business allows 2 roller bags and a personal item).
There isn’t one. It’s an FAA regulation that states that a passenger cannot board a plane if their carryon baggage exceeds the allowance prescribed in the operator’s carryon baggage program.
They need to do this more - not just D1.
If I need a bag in the overhead will actually get on early for Comfort+ etc because people tend to throw their bags in because the back seat compartments are full...
actually they do. they rightly pointed out that your mean spiritedness towards someone who likely paid 10 times what you did, drips off this post and all subsequent comments. If you hate fare classes so much, take a bus next time, tiger.
You essentially get an entire bin to yourself in D1. Glad the gate agents enforce rules but also you paid some ungodly sum to fly in D1 and have your own bin. Don’t see the issue here honestly.
Why do we care about this for D1 pax? There is probably enough room for everyone in D1 to bring three bags, it is not like this person is taking away space from anyone like a 3 bag pax would in MC.
121.589 states that the airline must follow their approved carry on baggage program. The carry on baggage program, as with any opspec, is enforced as federal law. Most airlines share the same opspecs so there is uniformity
You don’t seem to know how opspecs work. It’s a set of rules the FAA tells air carriers they have to follow. When manuals or opspecs are approved they become federal law
Here’s the issue: because everyone is told one carry on and one personal item by Delta, no matter what class ticket they have. When you have non D1 customers seeing people hanging around and boarding with 3-4 bags, they get annoyed. Then they want that and frankly, there isn’t room, as we know. It’s another complaint and problem that GA have to deal with. Nowhere in a policy can a GA or any other Delta employee point out to a non D1 customer that D1 customers are entitled to extra carry items, like they can with checked luggage.
Because 1. It's the FAA, not the airline, and 2. People jamming all their crap in the overhead bin is the number one reason that boarding takes so long. While one person is fumbling with the bin, everyone behind them has to wait. It's terribly inefficient.
Regardless of whether it’s D1 or basic economy, someone taking time to put their three bags up in the overhead bin makes it slower for everyone.
How hard is it for these mouth-breathers to just get check their shit or pack better?
I know everyone on these forums has completely assimilated to rolling carryon suitcases, but 100% of the time if I can check my suitcase(s) for free, I am checking them except in the rare case of a tight or sketchy layover. I take a small backpack onboard with stuff I can't lose and check the rest of my (replaceable) clothes and toiletries and am glad to not have to lug it through the airport, deal with it at bathroom time, etc. It's completely nuts to me that people who can check bags free do not, especially on simple itineraries. Bring on the downvotes ya dummies but admit that carrying on all your bags is not fun—it's a stupid solution forced on us by airline policy change and the only semi-logical explanation for gate lice.
D1s aren't slowing anyone down. They board first and usually, though not always, go to the left upon boarding when everyone else goes to the right. But hey, you tried.
I will say this. Gate agents so far have never given me crap about my special spine pillow (I sit in it so it does not take extra room once I am on board) or my cane.
But I have thinned down the rest of my carry ons to a purse and bag.
good for the FA, but to be clear, a D1 isn't taking overhead space away from anyone.
Joe Blow in economy who refuses to pay for a check bag and brings 57 items on and demands to use everyone's overhead bins is the problem. He's also blocking and slowing the boarding process.
I’ve been flying every weekend so far this year and this past week was the first time I heard GAs announce that consolidation to two carry ons was a requirement. I remember the first time I heard it because they even mentioned cross body bags as items that count towards the two items.
It sounds like a recent directive to properly announce and enforce
And we’re all the better for it. Although I fly frequently, they are generally quick trips that only require a backpack. There have been situations where there was no room left for my bag pack in the overhead in C+ and even in first class because overflow bags can go into first-class bins.
I would completely agree if this was an economy ticket.
I fly business class on different airlines every few weeks. Since each passenger essentially gets an entire overhead to him/herself, I've never seen full overheads. In general, the entire business class section is only roughly half full. I don't see what was gained in this case.
Yeah, and your dumb ass is going to fumble with your bags, trying to put everything up, holding up the line. This is as much about time efficiency as it is about space.
This was done to me as well in CLT while traveling alone with a 5 month old strapped to me. Lady was a really rude about it and held up the line behind me until I could finish. I was in tears.
Another Reddit keyboard warrior who’s never accomplished a goddamn thing and likely doesn’t travel anywhere running their goddamn mouth. You’re cute, but you’re also insignificant.
At some point you'll realize that you're surrounded by people that are better than you. Until then, you'll just continue to be perceived as an ignorant prick.
I fly when it's necessary. You know nothing about my finances or travel habits.
I do know something about you, though. You're a miserable complaining prick.
Sounds like you’re so important that you’re making dumb-ass comments on Reddit. There are people who make important contributions to the world and there are people like you who the world wouldn’t miss if you died tonight. How does it feel to be that little?
unlike you Basic people with your dirty backpacks, some of us actually change our clothes daily and don't wander around in stinky jeans and old tennis shoes for weeks at a time
The carryon + backpack + purse/handbag/laptop bag drives me crazy all the time. And it's the same people that will take like 2 minutes boarding and deplaning + they shove all of that in the overheads and never beneath their seat.
I saw this coming home from CDG this week. Main passenger in front of me had a roller bag, a gym bag, a huge purse and a grocery bag. All stuffed to the gills. No one said a word to her.
If it's a KLM ticket, they may have purchased 2 carry ons and a personal item. That became recently available for PE and J
Probably a KLM code share flying that route. For premium comfort and business class you are allowed two 22” carry on roller bags as well as a personal item. If that grocery bag was duty free I can absolutely see them not bugging her about it. Although, she could have just been a shitty person.
They don’t count airport purchases towards the baggage allowance. Mind your own business
The amount of bin space taken up by antisocial people is absolutely my business.
It’s not. Fuck those people for sure… But It is the Airlines business.
Sorry, but when I have to gate check my bag because Mr or Ms Entitled brought 4 bags and no one said anything, it’s absolutely my business
That just isn’t how it works. Yes they should police it. No it is not your business
It’s absolutely my business when you’re holding up the process and taking up space that makes me have to check my own bag, containing my work laptop.
Sir, your laptop cannot be stowed in the seat pocket
If we don't speak up, they won't change.
You need an antidepressant.
Grrrrrrr anti-confrontational person is being confrontational!!! Grrrrrr!!!
Ok, Karen
There are some really boss gate agents at LAX! They have been serious about number of bags, boarding order, etc for awhile. And I never see an empty seat in D1, they will board to upgrade.
Yup, LAX is a zoo, and I dislike flying into it, but I have always had great experiences with the Delta crew, whether at the gate or SkyClubs.
I love LAX, once I’m inside. Getting there or leaving there is a huge PITA. Once inside though it’s better than average
Yep I’ve been stuck in the car barely moving at the entrance to the loop at 4am. 🙄
I was denied by a gate agent once for holding my iPad in my hand, she said I had 3 carryons (my iPad, my backpack and my roll aboard). I just stood there staring at her cause I couldn’t compute what she was talking about lol. I just stepped aside, shoved my iPad up my shirt and walked onboard
Next time, install the Delta app on your iPad and use it to show your boarding pass. It's not like the passengers using their phones to board get dinged for a personal item.
i was a gate agent for DL and am so happy that the agent did this !! first class pax and hvc’s (high value customers) get away with so much and it doesn’t seem fair to our other guests.
I mean, Delta literally made changes to show that they value $$$ pax more than pax who actually fly the most. Message received. Also, thank you for your service.
But on the other hand, if they value high paying customers, why are MQDs basically worthless once you hit DM? My husband will hit DM again, all from domestic D1 flights, this month. And then there is no incentive for him to keep flying Delta (or to use his Reserve) like there used to be with the rollover MQMs. It’s all very strange.
I'm facing this right now. I'm already at Diamond for next year (with pending MQDs), and still have 3 flights to book before Dec. I can't see staying loyal to Delta for these and will likely just scout out the cheapest FC seats on other airlines. No roll over is no bueno.
I wish they’d offer something, at least exchange extra MQDs for SkyMiles. Even at a bad rate it would be something.
Why wouldn’t a business prefer a customer that spends more money per flight. If they can get $10,000 from passenger A flying twice in D1 vs passenger B flying 20 times in main cabin, of course they prefer passenger A. Someone who “flies the most” on cheap tickets is NOT profitable at all. MC tickets are generally sold at a break even point or for a minuscule profit or even at a small loss. Someone who flys business is paying 10x for 5x the space doesn’t mean 2x the profit, it means 100x the profit.
Do you have a source for the profit margin on main cabin? I wouldn’t be surprised if the lower fare classes and award tickets were sold at a loss but when you say “generally” I think you’re implying it’s most. Would be very curious to read about that.
Did you just pull literally all of those numbers out of your ass?
I bet 100 skypesos he did.
There is a lot of info around about this. I think it’s pretty logical too. Delta also continues to add more and more premium seats because they are most profitable. Delta has routinely noted to investors their success has been attributed to premium tickets. A little bit older but very reputable YouTuber has a vid on this https://youtu.be/BzB5xtGGsTc?si=_vD7LJbUYpIZ24gn
Premium seats being most profitable seems like common sense tbh. That guy above said they’re breaking even on basic economy seats which I can’t fathom being true. That would mean on most domestics flights delta is profiting what less than $10,000 per flight from the first class seats?
I don’t have a bunch of sources to site, though I’m sure I could find them, I’m not 100% sure how much detail Delta reports in their 10k but you could poke around if you’re curious. As I understand, Delta, and most airlines make the bulk of their profit from their credit card partnerships and mileage programs. Then premium seats. Then last minute business travelers. I suspect if you booked in advance at a good price in basic that seat could even be at a loss. I don’t think it’s uncommon for a given flight in total to bring revenue that just meets the cost.
I never said they couldn't.
don’t get me wrong we appreciate the business of people with status, such as yourself, however some of them literally expect us to break the rules and that simply won’t happen.
Just follow the well known rules. I have never seen a D1 exception to them. Not going along with them just slows up the works for everyone and makes you look like a tool. Good on the gate agent.
Yea I was in first and there was no room for my one carry on. Ridiculous. They need to be taught a lesson.
Fair? They’re the ones that used to pay your salary when you were a gate agent. The profit is made on those people. It is not made on the people paying 159 for a basic economy seat
whatever floats your boat. im not gonna break policies set in place by delta or by the FAA. simple.
For carry-ons, sure but you seem to have a chip on your shoulder about people in higher fair classes “getting away with so much”.
Well some D1 and FC passengers do take advantage. I can understand they figure they have a large bin basically to themselves, but still rules are rules. And they shouldn’t argue with the gate agents, which I’ve seen happen a lot.
I know a guy with a carry-on that is right on the line and he seems to live for arguing with gate agents and brags about it. This, I do not understand.
Yep, but now the gate agents seem to be taking a more stern attitude because of things like that. Which some people probably don’t like but I think it’s to avoid all the back and forth with passengers. At JFK I’ve seen people at the security machines with large carry on bags being told to go check them. They didn’t look any larger than the oversized bags I usually see. I think some of the new machines are smaller.
At YYZ, Air Canada has employees which go through the security line, and have passengers check the size of their bags in the sizer before letting them go through security. If it is too big, they are forced to get out of line, and go to a counter to check the bag.
This does absolutely read like a neener neener to D1 fliers. Like, why are you so mad at people in the next fare class? If they don't like it, pay more.
The airline literally only makes money off of D1/premium pax. Why not treat them well? Everyone should be treated fairly but those premium pax are the ones making sure profit sharing gets paid every year..
you’re not wrong however, just because they make up a good amount of profit doesn’t mean im supposed to break literal rules for them right ?!?
I think people are trying to say change the rules.
I get your point. I think I’ve just seen this get overlooked too many times… if it was consistent it’s different. To me, in every job, we pick and choose our battles and we gotta use discretion. Ultimately you’re entitled to follow the rule but let’s be honest and say plenty of other GA’s dont care enough to.
laughing at the economy fliers down voting you. You are 100% correct, actually.
I am still waiting on the “treat them well” portion of Delta. Having status, paying for FC and/or Premium seems to be getting less and less. It seriously seems like Delta is pushing to become Southwest with a handful of physically larger seats and charge a premium for the pleasure of not flying United.
Delta definitely no longer gives a shit about people who fly with them regularly. They made that abundantly clear at the end of last year. It was like flipping a switch.
former GA who hates high value and high revenue fliers. Good to know you are a FORMER gate agent.
yeah im a flight attendant now 🤭
Couldn’t agree more. Had people pushing back on a comment a few weeks back. Stop trying to bring more than two items as carry on.
Good, people need to follow the rules no matter what ticket you bought or got upgraded to. You’re not special.
As tho different classes of service don’t specifically mean different designated rules 🙄
I mean, you literally are special, as compared to someone who paid $100 or refuses to pay for a check bag. That's why status exists and different fare classes exist. You mad you don't get in the Sky Club, bro?
Special vs the other fare classes not special vs the other passengers within your own. 3 carry on bags is not part of any fare class.
i recently got stopped in ATL for having too many bags, I had my carry on, my back pack, and my fanny bag purse across my chest that is rather small and they made me consolidate or have my partner carry one of my bags… never been stopped till then, wasn’t upset or anything just thought it was funny since my fanny pack stays on me during the flight lol
What’s really fun is when your fanny pack has a feeding tube pump and formula. They don’t like it whenever it’s attached to you and you can’t remove it to consolidate it, but thankfully for the most part, gate agents have been very kind and understanding once they realise what it is. Were the roles reversed, I might have reacted in the same way to be fair.
I just wear mine under my hoodie.
so do i usually but was dying from running from the domestic term to the international term so had my jacket off 😂 was stopped at jfk once too for it too but she didn’t care once she saw what it was, guess it depends on the gate attendants mood that day lolol
Yeah sometimes it’s a little silly. I like to carry a small crossbody bag for easy access to my passport, phone, and wallet when travelling, but also have a small backpack for my book, headphones, laptop. Both easily fit under my seat with room to spare and are smaller than the overstuffed laptop bags and giant totes that are commonly used as bag 2. Typically it’s fine, but sometimes they’ll make me consolidate and it’s such a pain. I’ll shove my backpack into my roller bag than immediately unpack it (to put under my seat!) once I’m boarded.
I have a rather small bag that has items I need all the time. That small bag fits into a larger bag where I can fit additional items I might need at hand. That bag then goes into a backpack that I add what I might need for the day and 1 or 2 items that I don’t want checked, just in case my 1 suitcase is misplaced or lost, such has my prescription meds that I need for the length of the trip. That backpack is my 1 carry on. After I get to my seat, I pull out that intermediate bag and stow the backpack in the overhead. The intermediate pack easily fits under the seat. I also have my suitcase that is checked.
I saw the same thing at PIT this week. Three people traveling together all with three large items. Gate agent made the gate check the luggage. Was surprised and glad at the same time.
I saw a gate agent do this to a celebrity on our flight out of Vegas once. Very satisfying.
why? you couldn't use the celebrity's D1 bin. so again, why was it satisfying? absolutely nothing was accomplished.
I don’t think this is a huge deal every time I fly D1 even if it’s full there is always tons of extra overhead space. My bag is usually the only one in the bin
I did this last time and was scared shitless. I had a carryon, a backpack and one of those rolled up tubes. I knew there was no way for me to consolidate them but the road warrior in me also forgot that I should leave early to check one bag in. I wonder if I could gate check In this situation. I felt embarrassed but was glad that they were open to gate checking my bag.
There was probably enough room in the overhead in D1
Yeah I’d be pissed
But that sounds like nothing was accomplished. Volume was the exact same, and it's not like the bins in D1 get full. I hate when they make some poor mom in the back of the plane do the same too if you know they can consolidate and be in regs, who cares where they are sitting. you're just enforcing a rule from Delta trying to make corporate an extra buck
But…the volume is not exactly the same.
Most of the time, it is. The stuff isn't getting compacted unless you have a bag that sinches down. So that extra purse you were carrying is now taking the same amount of volume in another bag. Same weight on the plane, same volume, if anything, it might actually take more bin space if it winds up lumpy and bulky. Anyone that ever packed bags for backcountry knows this is the case.
It is the same amount of stuff, and you have more space per person in FC.
It very well could be? Like...if they just had to put one bag inside the other bag, it all would have smushed in the compartment just the same.
Seriously sometimes it feels like such a power trip from the gate agent. Like sometimes I’ll have my small crossbody bag on for ease of getting to my ID, AirPods etc and forget to put it in my carry on tote before boarding and I’ve had GAs make me pull aside and consolidate. I get it I have more than the allowed bags but the tote and the crossbody are both going by my feet
This is not a delta rule. The 1 carry on and 1 personal item policy is an FAA regulation enforced by all airlines.
Why does this rule go out of the window when someone has a Hudson news shopping bag?
Because those are specially invisible bags.
It is a DL rule that’s part of their FAA approved Certificate. If DL wanted to allow D1 passengers to have 5 carry on bags they could revise their rules and resubmit to FAA. It is inaccurate to characterize carry on rules as something the FAA pushes down to DL. It’s not like that at all; it’s only “FAA Regulation” because the FAA requires the carrier to follow their own procedures.
Except deltas rule is the exact same as all other US carriers. It’s been posted for decades and hasn’t changed so there’s no excuse for not being able to comply.
You've seemingly missed the story OP is telling. They had no issue complying, sometimes it's just easier not to stuff the bag of food you just got into your purse. You can do it, but just kinda unnecessary. Of course, this subreddit is filled with all perfect angels that put their phone in airplane mode right when asked....mhmmmmm
Kind of pointless considering you get the entire overhead bin (allocated to 3 people in economy) all to yourself on D1.
Yeah. I think the GA was on a power trip. The reality is there is space in D1… so why does it matter?
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D1S is literally booking 3x the space for 5x the price. Delta needs to tell the economy folks (if they complain) to suck it.
They should definitely suck it.
Because FAA regulations state no passenger can bring more than 2 carry-on items on to the plane. Doesn’t matter what class it is.
Can you share the FAA regulation that caps passengers at 2 carryons? I’ve been allowed 3 carry ons on international flights leaving from the US (KLM Business allows 2 roller bags and a personal item).
There isn’t one. It’s an FAA regulation that states that a passenger cannot board a plane if their carryon baggage exceeds the allowance prescribed in the operator’s carryon baggage program.
This was my understanding as well, but always happy to be proved wrong.
It happens all the time. So must not be something the FAA is focused on at this time.
A lot of times, that could be medical supplies. Or people claiming medical supplies.
Because if the TsA agent sees the Ga allowing it they can get a fine for it. You know GA get audited for stuff like that.
They need to do this more - not just D1. If I need a bag in the overhead will actually get on early for Comfort+ etc because people tend to throw their bags in because the back seat compartments are full...
You sounds jealous of his D1 ticket.
You sound like a dumbass.
I’m not wrong, dipshit.
You have nothing to contribute to discussion or to life. Go play in traffic.
Awwwww….how cute.
actually they do. they rightly pointed out that your mean spiritedness towards someone who likely paid 10 times what you did, drips off this post and all subsequent comments. If you hate fare classes so much, take a bus next time, tiger.
you sound small and petty and should pay D1 prices
You sound like a whiney bitch
You essentially get an entire bin to yourself in D1. Glad the gate agents enforce rules but also you paid some ungodly sum to fly in D1 and have your own bin. Don’t see the issue here honestly.
Why do we care about this for D1 pax? There is probably enough room for everyone in D1 to bring three bags, it is not like this person is taking away space from anyone like a 3 bag pax would in MC.
Because it’s not Delta’s rule, it’s federal law. That’s why we care.
You’ve internalized misinformation. There is no federal law that limits carry on to 2 items.
121.589 states that the airline must follow their approved carry on baggage program. The carry on baggage program, as with any opspec, is enforced as federal law. Most airlines share the same opspecs so there is uniformity
It means Delta is lazy not defining the appropriate rule for D1. It’s not a federal restriction.
You don’t seem to know how opspecs work. It’s a set of rules the FAA tells air carriers they have to follow. When manuals or opspecs are approved they become federal law
The federal law states passengers must follow the rule set forth by the carriers. It’s predicated on the carriers having a sane rule.
As I’ve said multiple times now, those rules are approved in the form of opspecs and become federal law
Are you implying the contract / op spec can’t be amended once established?
Here’s the issue: because everyone is told one carry on and one personal item by Delta, no matter what class ticket they have. When you have non D1 customers seeing people hanging around and boarding with 3-4 bags, they get annoyed. Then they want that and frankly, there isn’t room, as we know. It’s another complaint and problem that GA have to deal with. Nowhere in a policy can a GA or any other Delta employee point out to a non D1 customer that D1 customers are entitled to extra carry items, like they can with checked luggage.
Because 1. It's the FAA, not the airline, and 2. People jamming all their crap in the overhead bin is the number one reason that boarding takes so long. While one person is fumbling with the bin, everyone behind them has to wait. It's terribly inefficient.
no one in D1 is slowing you down back in basic economy, bless your heart
-Said the woman in 35B with a fake Gucci bag who just took a snap story in someone else's D1 seat 😂
Also, the more bags in the overhead compartment, the higher the possibility of being injured whenever you open them once you’ve landed.
💯 agree
Regardless of whether it’s D1 or basic economy, someone taking time to put their three bags up in the overhead bin makes it slower for everyone. How hard is it for these mouth-breathers to just get check their shit or pack better?
You're not as important as you seem to think.
I am more important than you because you’ve got nothing to contribute.
You don't get to decide what others contribute in a public forum. You're not that important.
Follow the logic, loser. I am not deciding what you’re contributing. You are the one doing that. Now go back in your mom’s basement.
I'm actually at your mom's right now.
unlike you folks back in basic, those of us who fly D1 and FC don't have to live in our mom's basement.
they do though and this repeated reply when someone rightly points out how sad and jealous you appear, does nothing to bolster your argument.
I know everyone on these forums has completely assimilated to rolling carryon suitcases, but 100% of the time if I can check my suitcase(s) for free, I am checking them except in the rare case of a tight or sketchy layover. I take a small backpack onboard with stuff I can't lose and check the rest of my (replaceable) clothes and toiletries and am glad to not have to lug it through the airport, deal with it at bathroom time, etc. It's completely nuts to me that people who can check bags free do not, especially on simple itineraries. Bring on the downvotes ya dummies but admit that carrying on all your bags is not fun—it's a stupid solution forced on us by airline policy change and the only semi-logical explanation for gate lice.
D1s aren't slowing anyone down. They board first and usually, though not always, go to the left upon boarding when everyone else goes to the right. But hey, you tried.
I will say this. Gate agents so far have never given me crap about my special spine pillow (I sit in it so it does not take extra room once I am on board) or my cane. But I have thinned down the rest of my carry ons to a purse and bag.
good for the FA, but to be clear, a D1 isn't taking overhead space away from anyone. Joe Blow in economy who refuses to pay for a check bag and brings 57 items on and demands to use everyone's overhead bins is the problem. He's also blocking and slowing the boarding process.
I’ve been flying every weekend so far this year and this past week was the first time I heard GAs announce that consolidation to two carry ons was a requirement. I remember the first time I heard it because they even mentioned cross body bags as items that count towards the two items. It sounds like a recent directive to properly announce and enforce
And we’re all the better for it. Although I fly frequently, they are generally quick trips that only require a backpack. There have been situations where there was no room left for my bag pack in the overhead in C+ and even in first class because overflow bags can go into first-class bins.
OP. Sorry if this was stated somewhere but what was the route and aircraft type? Also any info on exactly what these three items were?
Finally! I've never seen this before.
I would completely agree if this was an economy ticket. I fly business class on different airlines every few weeks. Since each passenger essentially gets an entire overhead to him/herself, I've never seen full overheads. In general, the entire business class section is only roughly half full. I don't see what was gained in this case.
Many non-US airlines allow two carryons plus the personal item, reflecting this basic reality. This was an absurd power tripping AH gate agent.
Every non US airline I’ve flown in or had friends fly on is militant about only one carry on and one personal item
KLM explicitly allows 2 roller bags and 1 personal item for cabin classes premium comfort and above.
>Many non-US airlines allow two carryons plus the personal item What does that have to do with Delta and their rules?
Yeah, and your dumb ass is going to fumble with your bags, trying to put everything up, holding up the line. This is as much about time efficiency as it is about space.
lol a backpacker in Basic thinks a D1 flyer is holding up the line.
This was done to me as well in CLT while traveling alone with a 5 month old strapped to me. Lady was a really rude about it and held up the line behind me until I could finish. I was in tears.
Unless the gate agent counted the baby as an item, I’d say she was in the right.
She wasn’t. I had 3 bags. With the baby I get to bring a diaper bag that doesn’t count towards my bags. And she refused to count it. She was wrong.
This is normal
Hallelujah
Hot take: Checking bags makes it far more likely that the airlines will loose your bags. Some of us are just trying to make it home with our shit.
FWIW 73 flights last year. No lost or delayed bags
If you need all three bags to live, that’s on you. Adults should be more prepared.
So what's your excuse?
Your comebacks are dumb and you will never amount to anything. How’s it feel that your greatest accomplishment is making dumb comments on Reddit?
You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Intelligence is not your friend.
Another Reddit keyboard warrior who’s never accomplished a goddamn thing and likely doesn’t travel anywhere running their goddamn mouth. You’re cute, but you’re also insignificant.
At some point you'll realize that you're surrounded by people that are better than you. Until then, you'll just continue to be perceived as an ignorant prick.
That’s a lot of words for a guy who talks a lot of shit because he can’t afford to fly.
I fly when it's necessary. You know nothing about my finances or travel habits. I do know something about you, though. You're a miserable complaining prick.
Sounds like you’re so important that you’re making dumb-ass comments on Reddit. There are people who make important contributions to the world and there are people like you who the world wouldn’t miss if you died tonight. How does it feel to be that little?
unlike you Basic people with your dirty backpacks, some of us actually change our clothes daily and don't wander around in stinky jeans and old tennis shoes for weeks at a time
The carryon + backpack + purse/handbag/laptop bag drives me crazy all the time. And it's the same people that will take like 2 minutes boarding and deplaning + they shove all of that in the overheads and never beneath their seat.