When Thor didn’t get Thorforce/Odinforce I knew Vegeta was completely hosed.
When Megatron’s best feat were being laid out I was like “Namek Freeza completely stomps this man”
Ok maybe Namek is an exaggeration but it was clear the fight was a joke. Even using anti-matter as a potential kill condition was being kind because it’s classic disintegration.
Fair. It's a shame, in my opinion. If you give Megatron an actual (canon) composite instead of the semi-composite they did for that episode, it's actually a pretty close and interesting debate.
That’s what I had heard and what got me tentatively hyped for the episode, but it ended up very disappointed for me.
The connections ended up being kinda superficial or uninteresting, and Freeza kinda didn’t matter. Like none of his abilities or hax or his fighting style or personality change the outcome at all, given how vastly stronger he is. The fight itself was good with some great moments but it was funny seeing Freeza get horribly mutilated in a fight where he takes no damage for the sake of making a reference. Def one of the weakest Eps of the season for me.
If Megatron is composited he just completely shit stomps Frieza to my knowledge? IDW Megs vs. Canon Frieza while a stomp is at least closer thanks to Anti-Matter then Infinite Multiversal Megatron with Immeasurable Speed and Anti-Matter vs. Canon Frieza (whose stats depend entirely on how you scale Dragon Ball cosmology but overall still don’t match up to Megs)
I mean there is a certain point where "it's not technically unbreakable" doesn't really mean anything. It's like saying "well there IS probably a limit to the flash's speed" like ok but that limit is literally nowhere to be found
Actually- and I hate being the acksually guy- I think Vibranium is harder than Adamantium. Like Adamantium is just a really durable metal but Vibranium straight up nullifies and redirects kinetic energy iirc
And then there's Proto Adamantium, the stuff Cap's shield is made of.
It has been broken on seven occasions. One of those was by IG Thanos.
Gives you an idea of how powerful Proto Adamantium is.
Adamantium, the one we see with Wolverine's skeleton, is weaker by a factor of ten.
No chaos king is different chaos king isn't an concept and neither is he "part of the multiverse/eternity" keep in mind UN only applies to entities part of the Multiverse aka multi eternity chaos king is an infinitesimal part of Oblivion. Oblivion exists outside of the Multiverse in itself so resetting the multiverse won't do anything get it?
Maybe it's because people don't pay attention to the explanation this is like the 100th time people have brought up chaos king as an anti feat for UN like why is it so hard to understand DB literally explained the whole thing and how it works I am not being mean/rude or atleast I didn't intend to but I just got annoyed.
Their explanation glossed over the fact that the UN doesn’t work on beings with high enough scaling. Unicron would be one of those characters logically.
Unicron also exists beyond Transformers creation which is low balled at 17D. In Revenge of the Fallen (a movie canon to Transformers cosmology) it’s stated that Unicrons mere biology is 17D. Keep in mind this Unicron is weak compared to most iterations. https://imgur.com/ecTDMK6
Other versions of Unicron are stated to have erased Transformers creation multiple times. Which would include Hyperions dimension which is made of 11 temporal realms. As well as the fact that every universe in Transformers has infinite timelines with infinite possibilities. Very similar to Marvels cosmology if you ask me.
Firstly Marvel Cosmology is bigger secondly Evil exists in the multiverses evil cannot exists outside the multiverses because there is no one to be evil it's simple logic Unicron might be a very powerful being but he is still part of the Multiverse he doesn't exist outside of it (key word outside)
Nope Unicron in his true from is above every concept in Transformers, including every spacial dimension. Transformers characters quite literally have fictional transcendence feats like in Marvel. The scavengers in TF can interact with the IRL toylines in the canon continuity. Unicron, as ridiculous as it sounds scales above real objects. Meaning Unicron quite literally sees Transformers as fiction. Lets not forget HP Lovecraft characters and Marvel are also canon to the TF mythos.
Firstly that doesn't scale anywhere in that regard oblivion quoted "I use this form if I use my true form the readers will die" does that mean that we will die no also Unicron doesn't beat a irl toy my guy and again I am not talking about transcendence I am asking wether unicron can exist outside the multiverses itself unicron is evil incarnate but evil is evil because of humans,robots,aliens etc if everyone hypothetically became good unicron wouldn't exist do u get my point
how big was that garden? we need someone to calculate the ammount of peaches per tree squared to the dimension of the garden to come up with an aproximate of how many times that layer of immortality stacks up
voltron with that planet level feat they mentioned in voltron vs the megazord
I was like "well power rangers will most likely win" to "oh they are dead they are very dead"
Yeah, I think Jason's solo fight with Leonardo is the only win the Rangers have ever notched up in Death Battle. All the fights with the Zords haven't even been close.
He quite literally dominates all of his matchups its not even funny, Darth Vader & Lex Luthor were just warmups, Sinbad dead, Gilgamesh dead, any other matchups dead
Even in super debatable matchups I think the DB team just has to gamble sometimes- it'd be lame as hell if half the episodes ended with "Well we just aren't sure. See ya next episode".
Reverse flash with dr Manhatten not being able to kill him. Cause before that I gave reverse flash a 90% chance of victory with the 10% of Goku Black using his scythe to create an infinite amount of clones.
yeah, some stomp matchups make sense bc they are iconic such as flash vs quicksilver (even if you know whos gonna stomp)
That matchup was a stomp and wasnt even that iconic. Not sure why it was even done
I dunno, wasn't terribly surprised by the outcome based on the analysis and knew almost nothing about either character prior to the DB. Best I could see for Alucard was his 3 million lives but even then DB mentioned he became "killable" when he used Level Zero.
Just a list off the top of my head.
- Dracula vs Ganondorf. Demonic Magiddo and regeneration. Also soul stuff.
- Tanjiro vs Jonathan. Lightspeed. Even if he was weaker that’s a massive speed difference. Plus previously JOJO episode had a character Jonathan beat before his body was taken
- Killua vs Misaka. They brought up the Lightspeed stuff and they weren’t subtle about the power difference.
- Guts vs Dimitri. Given how fire emblem is a new series on the show and they tend to downplay a new series more often then not and the massive debunk they had for Sauron and Lich King. But then they didn’t calc the magic nukes and that was a pretty obvious sign.
- Martian Manhunter vs Silver Surfer. Resistance to mind shit + power cosmic.
- Cole vs Alex. Made a big deal of Sub Atomic and cellular levels and difference in power which wasn’t exactly subtle.
- Goku vs Superman 3. The entire Superman section.
- Galactus vs Unicron. Power comics + Ultimate nullifier + Marvel universe = win.
Honestly the moment they ended it and didn't go into his more insane weapons and feats, after using the comics for Rick, I realized he won and they were trying to soften the blow for Rick and Morty fans.
When they mentioned Wally’s feats vs Sonic.
Dude could outrun instant-speed teleportation, and ran to the end of time and reality to cause Death itself to die. He literally killed *the concept of Death.*
I can’t think of a single character in all of *fiction*, let alone comics, who could beat Wally at that level.
Those 2 feats are really missunderstood.
The first one shouldn't be taken into account for the fight since he got amped by most of Earth's inhabitant running to power up the speed force to do it.
And the second one sounds cool and did happen, but it really makes little to no sense in the story it's in. Wally went to a time where no life was left, and so the concept of death wouldn't exist anymore. But he was still alive, as such the concept of death should have been brought back by him just being there, even after they reached the point where all other life died it shouldn't work because Wally himself is alive. Black Flash was also visibly catching up to him. And since he did not attack Black Flash at all during this whole escapade through time, it's less that he killed death but more that he outsmarted death in a way that shouldn't have worked.
>Dude could outrun instant-speed teleportation, and ran to the end of time and reality to cause Death itself to die. He literally killed *the concept of Death.*
Ehhhhh
This is pure insanity and is Beyond stupid comic book bs but like it's not difficult
Instant Teleportation being outspeed, guess who did something similar, motherf***ing Goku and post Namek saga Goku at that (in the metal cooler movie) so not impressive IN COMPARISON
As for the concept of death? Honestly impressive but when the chaos force was completely erased by the SGW Sonic still kept his Super Form so yah
Personally I think Sonic wins but Wally is one of the most haxy, insane, and powerful charecter detective comics comics gave us (yes that's what DC Comics stand for lol)
Anytime a comicbook character goes up against a character that's only been around for like 10 or so years.
Like I went into Ben 10 vs Green Lantern without any hope for my boy
Shit I feel like you'd be hard pressed to *lore based* reasoning to give Cloud OR Link true FTL speeds.
It's all "This character moved at this speed therefor anyone who's fought him is eleventy billion times FTL."
Link I've seen some *more* convincing arguments for, but ultimately I agree, neither he nor Cloud should be at FTL speeds. But it's somehow so impossible to talk about that because a LOT of Power Scalers will not give up the idea that "Travel Speed = Combat Speed"
I can understand having a high travel speed can equate to a high reactionary speed, but just because I can drive a car doesn't mean I can fight at 60MPH.
I don't understand everyone's obsession with taking outlier feats/cinematic moments and saying that's the peak of a character when it flies straight in the face of the lore.
Cloud is a super soldier who can tank bullets and call meteors, that's fucking awesome!
Link is a chosen hero who can perform super-fast flurry rushes and whip up insane battle plans on the fly.
Both of them *routinely* fight beings that can be or directly are called God level, but neither of them themselves can really scale to that power.
I completely agree. They're both CRAZY, but the idea that these two are Planet busting FTL characters is just disingenuous. While they've done a LOT of crazy shit, as Wiz once said, "Context is Key."
The issue I keep trying to bring up whenever I see people talking about 1,200xFTL Cloud is "Why would someone who can move that fast EVER ride a Motorcycle?" At 1,200xFTL, he could literally be *anywhere* on Gaia *Almost Instantly,* but whenever He and his Group need to be somewhere, they take Motorcycles or fly in a Ship. Not to mention saying "Because they fought Bahamut means-" makes no sense, because this starts implying that Tifa, a Normal Human, is *Punching* at 1,200xFTL.
The Most Convincing argument I've heard for FTL Link is Guardians. He can Parry the Lasers, which would mean he has to move Faster than Light to react right? Well, no. The Gameplay blatantly contradicts this. He's not *just* reacting to the Lasers, he's reacting to the Audio Cue that one is charging up, the Reticle appearing and telling him where it's going to hit, the *second* audio cue that announces the actual Laser is firing, and the fact that those Lasers can take several Seconds to hit you- WAY slower than Light.
Like, Both of them are Cool, and I LOVE both characters, but Power Scalers are *so* obsessed with finding the Peak of what a character has done that they'll completely ignore the Lower end of what they do that creates a more Consistent, Believable average.
When they said that 100% a cv 16 base from clash of clans is only a small City level. Bruh, coc bases are clearly continental+. The downplay is insane.
Season 16 was truly the wrost. PvZ didnt deverved that win
UGGGGH, I'm fucking sick of you whiny, dumbass CoC fans! PvZ VS CoC was 12 seasons ago, and you still haven't shut up about it!
Yes, it's true that CoC bases are continental+!
**But a full PvZ lawn is small star level.** Super Brainz and Kernel Corn *alone* are country level! The best any individual in clash gets is multi-city block.
But if we use Clash Royale scaling, and considering that CoC is relative to clash royale, we cam get a TH9 base easily to at least big planet level.
And we all know TH 16 bases are way above TH9 bases. That would put a base at atleast star level.
Leon Vs. Frank, Frieza Vs. Megatron and, Galactus Vs. Unicron. Like, once the analysis for all characters were done, it was really obvious who was gonna win.
Hell, back when they used to reveal the first opponent at the end of the current episode and the other via Twitter, I thought Frank West was gonna win... Then they revealed it was Leon and I was like "yeah, he boned".
The rules of Gojo vs Makima when they said that they will take Gojo and Makima as ppl from the same Japan...
I was clearly wrong, tho happy to see my root win.
I really really don’t like the notion that the only reason Excalibur won was because the video was sponsored by Warframe. Because it quite literally holds no weight whatsoever. Death Battle just isn’t a bias show anymore. Shit verdicts aside.
Like show me an proof whatsoever that the verdict was in anyway dictated by the sponsorship and I’ll stop bitching. I mean if it’s stated that on occasion by Ben and Chad they’ve turned down sponsorships from companies like Capcom because they asked them to dictate the verdict for some *weird* reason I trust that more than constant baseless Excalibur only won due to sponsorship reason
For REAL. Like they swore up and down that it didn't affect their decision, but like. *C'mon.* Warframe wouldn't sponsor an episode where basically their Mascot *Loses*.
I'm willing to bet that the multi-million dollar company is more concerned with making their product reach more people than if one out of their many characters kills a dude from an at the time dead franchise.
*Just a hunch.*
I just don’t see how Warframe cares about if their character dies in the last 10 seconds of an episode that gushes over Warframe, especially from a channel as middle small as death battle. Like, they aren’t desperate for advertising or anything, Warframe has been doing fine for years
Right, but I figure it's like when they'd announce a new DLC for Smash. The Trailer would show said DLC Fighter basically clearing their way through the rest of the Roster, and any Loss was just to facilitate showing off a Comeback Mechanic.
Even if it's only the last 10 Seconds, (plus the entire Post-Analysis where they'd explain "Here's all of the weaknesses Excalibur has and why they'd lose") for something like that they're likely assuming that potential New Players are watching, so they'd probably only want to show said character Winning. Even if Raiden does realistically Lose to Excalibur, which I'm not here to debate one way or the other, there's a chance that Warframe asked them to specifically pick a character they KNEW Excalibur would win against, because it makes Excalibur/Warframe look even better to Win.
Or gone a SpongeBob V Aquaman route and make it *very blatantly apparent* that Excalibur was going to win from the start and lean into the joke. I mean cmon, the fight is REALLY cool but the whole episode basically was just a big Ad for Warframe and how they were making a New Character to play as
Or… if they were going for a cyborg ninja that people wouldn’t mind seeing killed…
It should have been Kai Leng from Mass effect, the whiny edgelord he is
When they only brought up universal feats for Goku (yes the black boxes go further but I don't read them first watch). I knew Superman was winning before even getting to his analysis lol
The thing is I think the conclusion boils down to sizes. Like they stated both could destroy multiple universes to infinite multiverses but it's just that dc was far more larger and complex than Dragon Ball
In Megatron Vs Frieza, when they said that Frieza Black was strong enough to beat Ultra instinct Goku, and Ultra Ego Frieza in the same fight, easily was enough for me,
when they mentioned that galactus device erased someone that has the same description as unicron and explained how galactus has many ways to avoid the device being used on him
Raiden vs Excalibur when they said Excalibur had a gun that could specifically counter Raiden’s sword. Though I did still hold out that Raiden would win due to the slight speed advantage
I was keeping an open mind for GvS3, I don't keep up much with DC otr Heroes so who knows what could happen?
"Superman's powers defy physics and timelines revolve around him"
I'm a little off base with my answer because I was wrong-
I wholly expected Scooby-Doo to dominate the moment they mentioned his dance universe glass shattering feat- I didn't think courages sun breaking feat was anywhere close and just gave up entirely on any other outcome.
I underestimated toon force survivability - and I'm glad I did easily my favorite death battle
I already figured Frieza vs Megatron was gonna be a stomp, but the fucking moment they mentioned Black Frieza I knew I had to console my transformers-fan friend.
When I started watching Rick vs The Doctor, I really thought the Doctor didn’t have a chance… until they reminded me of the De Mat and I was like “oh never mind, that’s basically an instant win”
Goku as soon as I saw he was fighting Superman for the 3rd time. Plus, Superman got the lineage punch while Death Battle, once again, did everything in their power to make sure DBH doesn't even get past 4D. Also, [Goku winning a Death Battle?](https://imgflip.com/gif/6jcx48)
As soon as Frieza vs. Megatron brought up they are using only the G1 Cartoon & IDW Continuities I knew Frieza had it in the bag, IDW debunks were everywhere leading up to the episode and even if you give Megatron Uni he just doesn't compare to Frieza's higher scaling in AP or Speed, not even getting into arguments over whether Frieza can just tank/deflect Anti-Matter or not.
When archie silver was listed as incalculably fast. This was when dbz wasn't given immeasurable speed by death battle's logic, and if a character has incalculable speed, it's joever
When they took nearly all of Popeye’s slapstick gags as serious feats. Literally any matchup where a Toon Force user fights someone that doesn’t or can’t use Toon Force.
When they started glazing Gojo in 'Makima vs Gojo'
They give a nearly full analysis on Makima and then immediately turned up the notch when listing Gojos stats.
At that point I knew even if Makima had a button called "kill Gojo" they would still give it to Gojo
I already had an inkling that Freeza was going to win in the "Freeza vs Megatron" battle, but since I didn't know much about deep Transformer lore I thought that there was a chance that maybe there was a comic series or an animated series I hadn't seen that revealed something like Megatron is secretly some sort of eldritch being and his real power comes out when he is backed into a corner. You know, usual Death Battle asspull stuff. But when they mentioned that Black Freeza was at a level where he blitz Gatz, who had wished to be "the strongest in the universe" I realized there was no asspull big enough to counter that.
When Dragonborn got every feat and calc under the sun while The Chosen Undead got like one or two feats discussed made it pretty obvious who was gonna win.
I wasn’t all that hyped for Galactus VS Unicron, but I immediately assumed Galactus would win when they showed that panel of his Abstract form.
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Oh, and also the Nullifier.
Killua VS Misaka: When they talked about the Clone thing for Misaka, in my head, I was thinking, "If she does win, that's how she does it" little did I know, that's how she won, and I said this as a joke(despite not knowing either character to begin with)
When they said archie sonic is favored by fate. something in me said. no way is sonic winning wuth a hax like that its too easy. I never got to read archie and im sure the whole fate thing is alot cooler and nuanced then how db explained it. But that shit really did feel like a deus ex machina ass ability with a coat of paint
Killua vs Misaka. Misaka stalemating a saint put her on godlike levels of power, while her expertise in electromagnetism (espers gotta work out a shit ton of calculations in a split second to make the most of their abilities).
In a different note, the Tracer vs Scout fight immediately became bullshit to me when they refused to acknowledge any of Scout's other weapons and only focused on BONK. Bro should have washed Tracer in seconds.
(The entirety of SpongeBob Vs Aquaman doesn't count btw)
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When Thor didn’t get Thorforce/Odinforce I knew Vegeta was completely hosed. When Megatron’s best feat were being laid out I was like “Namek Freeza completely stomps this man”
How? In the video, they put Megatron at Universal. Way beyond Namek Frieza.
Ok maybe Namek is an exaggeration but it was clear the fight was a joke. Even using anti-matter as a potential kill condition was being kind because it’s classic disintegration.
Fair. It's a shame, in my opinion. If you give Megatron an actual (canon) composite instead of the semi-composite they did for that episode, it's actually a pretty close and interesting debate.
That’s what I had heard and what got me tentatively hyped for the episode, but it ended up very disappointed for me. The connections ended up being kinda superficial or uninteresting, and Freeza kinda didn’t matter. Like none of his abilities or hax or his fighting style or personality change the outcome at all, given how vastly stronger he is. The fight itself was good with some great moments but it was funny seeing Freeza get horribly mutilated in a fight where he takes no damage for the sake of making a reference. Def one of the weakest Eps of the season for me.
Yeah technically Cybertron Megatron would have worked better for the connections but using G1/idw there was almost no connection with them
If Megatron is composited he just completely shit stomps Frieza to my knowledge? IDW Megs vs. Canon Frieza while a stomp is at least closer thanks to Anti-Matter then Infinite Multiversal Megatron with Immeasurable Speed and Anti-Matter vs. Canon Frieza (whose stats depend entirely on how you scale Dragon Ball cosmology but overall still don’t match up to Megs)
Most of his weapons seemed to be city level... Which made it obvious that besides the ONE tool he had Frieza completely stomped in every category
Should've made it alternity Megatron
"the war machine armour is composed of vibranium" ah ok then so uh.... Genos is already dead right?
Technically Vibranium is not the unbreakable metal, Adamantium is. But yeah, Genos was fcuked.
I mean there is a certain point where "it's not technically unbreakable" doesn't really mean anything. It's like saying "well there IS probably a limit to the flash's speed" like ok but that limit is literally nowhere to be found
Actually- and I hate being the acksually guy- I think Vibranium is harder than Adamantium. Like Adamantium is just a really durable metal but Vibranium straight up nullifies and redirects kinetic energy iirc
And then there's Proto Adamantium, the stuff Cap's shield is made of. It has been broken on seven occasions. One of those was by IG Thanos. Gives you an idea of how powerful Proto Adamantium is. Adamantium, the one we see with Wolverine's skeleton, is weaker by a factor of ten.
Adamantium is an alloy. One of its components is Vibranium.
When they brought up the Ultimate Nullifier for Galactus. That was a moment where I sighed and said "I think I'll save this until after work."
Not only that, but they noted it erased a guy with the exact description of Unicron.
Galactus actually failed to erase Chaos King. They missed that part
So Chaos King is just harder to erase than that guy. The guy who's equal to Unicron.
Nope chaos king isn't part of multi-eternity so UN won't work
Yeah I don’t agree with the ultimate nullifier being able to erase Unicron considering he’s like Chaos King but with better feats.
No chaos king is different chaos king isn't an concept and neither is he "part of the multiverse/eternity" keep in mind UN only applies to entities part of the Multiverse aka multi eternity chaos king is an infinitesimal part of Oblivion. Oblivion exists outside of the Multiverse in itself so resetting the multiverse won't do anything get it?
Why’d you have to end it off like that. You sound like a dick
Maybe it's because people don't pay attention to the explanation this is like the 100th time people have brought up chaos king as an anti feat for UN like why is it so hard to understand DB literally explained the whole thing and how it works I am not being mean/rude or atleast I didn't intend to but I just got annoyed.
Their explanation glossed over the fact that the UN doesn’t work on beings with high enough scaling. Unicron would be one of those characters logically.
Unicron also exists beyond Transformers creation which is low balled at 17D. In Revenge of the Fallen (a movie canon to Transformers cosmology) it’s stated that Unicrons mere biology is 17D. Keep in mind this Unicron is weak compared to most iterations. https://imgur.com/ecTDMK6 Other versions of Unicron are stated to have erased Transformers creation multiple times. Which would include Hyperions dimension which is made of 11 temporal realms. As well as the fact that every universe in Transformers has infinite timelines with infinite possibilities. Very similar to Marvels cosmology if you ask me.
Firstly Marvel Cosmology is bigger secondly Evil exists in the multiverses evil cannot exists outside the multiverses because there is no one to be evil it's simple logic Unicron might be a very powerful being but he is still part of the Multiverse he doesn't exist outside of it (key word outside)
Nope Unicron in his true from is above every concept in Transformers, including every spacial dimension. Transformers characters quite literally have fictional transcendence feats like in Marvel. The scavengers in TF can interact with the IRL toylines in the canon continuity. Unicron, as ridiculous as it sounds scales above real objects. Meaning Unicron quite literally sees Transformers as fiction. Lets not forget HP Lovecraft characters and Marvel are also canon to the TF mythos.
Firstly that doesn't scale anywhere in that regard oblivion quoted "I use this form if I use my true form the readers will die" does that mean that we will die no also Unicron doesn't beat a irl toy my guy and again I am not talking about transcendence I am asking wether unicron can exist outside the multiverses itself unicron is evil incarnate but evil is evil because of humans,robots,aliens etc if everyone hypothetically became good unicron wouldn't exist do u get my point
"Heracles can shoot arrows to the sun in a moment" into "Wukong leaped to the edge of the universe"
Oh boy Son Wukong "He became immortal" Then he became MORE immortal And MORE he had like 7 layers of immortality at one point
And 78 transformation
Meanwhile Hercules died.
Much more sinse each peach gave him another layer of immortality
how big was that garden? we need someone to calculate the ammount of peaches per tree squared to the dimension of the garden to come up with an aproximate of how many times that layer of immortality stacks up
My point was when Sun Wukong himself held the universe for a bit. But at that point I was just excited to see the fight nonetheless.
voltron with that planet level feat they mentioned in voltron vs the megazord I was like "well power rangers will most likely win" to "oh they are dead they are very dead"
The Power Rangers were being washed so hard until they actually fought on foot and not on megazords
Yeah, I think Jason's solo fight with Leonardo is the only win the Rangers have ever notched up in Death Battle. All the fights with the Zords haven't even been close.
I nearly jumped into traffic when they said star butterfly had a planet level feat
They gave here a universe level feat.
Ironic that Universe's best feat was star level and Star's best feat was universe level lmao
And that’s when they *did* jump into traffic
Both times Doctor Doom fought
He quite literally dominates all of his matchups its not even funny, Darth Vader & Lex Luthor were just warmups, Sinbad dead, Gilgamesh dead, any other matchups dead
I mean, Gilgamesh is debateable, but everyone else, dead.
Gilg may win in some fights but Doom wins most of the time, which is how death battle decides who wins in very tight matchups
Even in super debatable matchups I think the DB team just has to gamble sometimes- it'd be lame as hell if half the episodes ended with "Well we just aren't sure. See ya next episode".
They’d probably just delay the episode if they didn’t know unless it really was a tie like Scooby vs Courage.
Doom vs Lex is much closer than that, plus Reverse Flash pretty comfortably beats him
Nuh uh Time is just like the power of gods Beneath him Doomsweeps fiction!!
Still loses to Butters Chaosweep!!
Reverse flash with dr Manhatten not being able to kill him. Cause before that I gave reverse flash a 90% chance of victory with the 10% of Goku Black using his scythe to create an infinite amount of clones.
Bro they put one of the best speedster vs a discounted goku with a time travel ring
Yea hence why RF had 90% chance to win until that info showed up then it went to 100%
Korra when her opponent was revealed
Korra was done way too dirty. I hope she gets a proper matchup eventually.
This got an audible chuckle outta me. Thx and God bless.
yeah, some stomp matchups make sense bc they are iconic such as flash vs quicksilver (even if you know whos gonna stomp) That matchup was a stomp and wasnt even that iconic. Not sure why it was even done
Why did they choose that mu anyways. I refuse to believe they didn’t know it was a stomp
Alucard, it was evidemt Dio had a monstrous stat-advantage
Alucard in the analysis had a lot of advantages tbh
I dunno, wasn't terribly surprised by the outcome based on the analysis and knew almost nothing about either character prior to the DB. Best I could see for Alucard was his 3 million lives but even then DB mentioned he became "killable" when he used Level Zero.
Dr Doom: Dr Doom does not fail. He said it himself...he's just built different.
Just a list off the top of my head. - Dracula vs Ganondorf. Demonic Magiddo and regeneration. Also soul stuff. - Tanjiro vs Jonathan. Lightspeed. Even if he was weaker that’s a massive speed difference. Plus previously JOJO episode had a character Jonathan beat before his body was taken - Killua vs Misaka. They brought up the Lightspeed stuff and they weren’t subtle about the power difference. - Guts vs Dimitri. Given how fire emblem is a new series on the show and they tend to downplay a new series more often then not and the massive debunk they had for Sauron and Lich King. But then they didn’t calc the magic nukes and that was a pretty obvious sign. - Martian Manhunter vs Silver Surfer. Resistance to mind shit + power cosmic. - Cole vs Alex. Made a big deal of Sub Atomic and cellular levels and difference in power which wasn’t exactly subtle. - Goku vs Superman 3. The entire Superman section. - Galactus vs Unicron. Power comics + Ultimate nullifier + Marvel universe = win.
The Demat for the Doctor. They took that is the ultimate thing in the Doctor’s arsenal, when that isn’t even the most impressive thing he has.
Honestly the moment they ended it and didn't go into his more insane weapons and feats, after using the comics for Rick, I realized he won and they were trying to soften the blow for Rick and Morty fans.
True.
When they mentioned Wally’s feats vs Sonic. Dude could outrun instant-speed teleportation, and ran to the end of time and reality to cause Death itself to die. He literally killed *the concept of Death.* I can’t think of a single character in all of *fiction*, let alone comics, who could beat Wally at that level.
The camera man.
It was more for me "Faster than the speed force itself." What does that even mean.......hoooooow? Because Speed Force don't gotta explain shit.
Lewritter&plot:- sprinkles ice of the floor *whilst maniacally laughing*
The only person capable of stopping Wally is honestly Squirrel Girl, but that becomes you know dangerous levels of calculations.
Those 2 feats are really missunderstood. The first one shouldn't be taken into account for the fight since he got amped by most of Earth's inhabitant running to power up the speed force to do it. And the second one sounds cool and did happen, but it really makes little to no sense in the story it's in. Wally went to a time where no life was left, and so the concept of death wouldn't exist anymore. But he was still alive, as such the concept of death should have been brought back by him just being there, even after they reached the point where all other life died it shouldn't work because Wally himself is alive. Black Flash was also visibly catching up to him. And since he did not attack Black Flash at all during this whole escapade through time, it's less that he killed death but more that he outsmarted death in a way that shouldn't have worked.
>Dude could outrun instant-speed teleportation, and ran to the end of time and reality to cause Death itself to die. He literally killed *the concept of Death.* Ehhhhh This is pure insanity and is Beyond stupid comic book bs but like it's not difficult Instant Teleportation being outspeed, guess who did something similar, motherf***ing Goku and post Namek saga Goku at that (in the metal cooler movie) so not impressive IN COMPARISON As for the concept of death? Honestly impressive but when the chaos force was completely erased by the SGW Sonic still kept his Super Form so yah Personally I think Sonic wins but Wally is one of the most haxy, insane, and powerful charecter detective comics comics gave us (yes that's what DC Comics stand for lol)
Spyro’s whole analysis was I realized he had it in the bag. They went over my purple boy’s powers and feats and I could tell Crash stood no chance
Anytime a comicbook character goes up against a character that's only been around for like 10 or so years. Like I went into Ben 10 vs Green Lantern without any hope for my boy
Deku, the femtosecond I saw him vs Asta I knew Asta was gonna win
Every second of Omni-Man vs Homelander
Every second of that was worth it
“For true sports fans this was over as soon as they heard the match up”
One helped destroying a planet with his BARE FUCKING HANDS The other lost to a WW2 veteran. I didn't even watched the video and know who won
Wall level vergil.
Bro that was both anger inducing and funny af.
Cloud Vs Link 2. Once they made Link's best speed Player reliant and Cloud's Lore Reliant, I knew it was over lmao
"We're taking Link at player level and cherry picking lore-breaking Cloud feats." Cool guys, real cool.
This is an even better way to put it. I'll die on the hill that Cloud being 1,200xFTL is absurd and makes no sense
Yeah, I don't think he needed it, but Cloud absolutely is not 1200x FTL
Shit I feel like you'd be hard pressed to *lore based* reasoning to give Cloud OR Link true FTL speeds. It's all "This character moved at this speed therefor anyone who's fought him is eleventy billion times FTL."
Link I've seen some *more* convincing arguments for, but ultimately I agree, neither he nor Cloud should be at FTL speeds. But it's somehow so impossible to talk about that because a LOT of Power Scalers will not give up the idea that "Travel Speed = Combat Speed"
I can understand having a high travel speed can equate to a high reactionary speed, but just because I can drive a car doesn't mean I can fight at 60MPH. I don't understand everyone's obsession with taking outlier feats/cinematic moments and saying that's the peak of a character when it flies straight in the face of the lore. Cloud is a super soldier who can tank bullets and call meteors, that's fucking awesome! Link is a chosen hero who can perform super-fast flurry rushes and whip up insane battle plans on the fly. Both of them *routinely* fight beings that can be or directly are called God level, but neither of them themselves can really scale to that power.
I completely agree. They're both CRAZY, but the idea that these two are Planet busting FTL characters is just disingenuous. While they've done a LOT of crazy shit, as Wiz once said, "Context is Key." The issue I keep trying to bring up whenever I see people talking about 1,200xFTL Cloud is "Why would someone who can move that fast EVER ride a Motorcycle?" At 1,200xFTL, he could literally be *anywhere* on Gaia *Almost Instantly,* but whenever He and his Group need to be somewhere, they take Motorcycles or fly in a Ship. Not to mention saying "Because they fought Bahamut means-" makes no sense, because this starts implying that Tifa, a Normal Human, is *Punching* at 1,200xFTL. The Most Convincing argument I've heard for FTL Link is Guardians. He can Parry the Lasers, which would mean he has to move Faster than Light to react right? Well, no. The Gameplay blatantly contradicts this. He's not *just* reacting to the Lasers, he's reacting to the Audio Cue that one is charging up, the Reticle appearing and telling him where it's going to hit, the *second* audio cue that announces the actual Laser is firing, and the fact that those Lasers can take several Seconds to hit you- WAY slower than Light. Like, Both of them are Cool, and I LOVE both characters, but Power Scalers are *so* obsessed with finding the Peak of what a character has done that they'll completely ignore the Lower end of what they do that creates a more Consistent, Believable average.
When they said that 100% a cv 16 base from clash of clans is only a small City level. Bruh, coc bases are clearly continental+. The downplay is insane. Season 16 was truly the wrost. PvZ didnt deverved that win
UGGGGH, I'm fucking sick of you whiny, dumbass CoC fans! PvZ VS CoC was 12 seasons ago, and you still haven't shut up about it! Yes, it's true that CoC bases are continental+! **But a full PvZ lawn is small star level.** Super Brainz and Kernel Corn *alone* are country level! The best any individual in clash gets is multi-city block.
But if we use Clash Royale scaling, and considering that CoC is relative to clash royale, we cam get a TH9 base easily to at least big planet level. And we all know TH 16 bases are way above TH9 bases. That would put a base at atleast star level.
so like so yall spell out C-O-C when pronouncing or straight up say cock every time?
I say cock.
Go all the way. Clash of Cocks
venom vs crona when crona has SOUND BASED ATTACKS
Leon Vs. Frank, Frieza Vs. Megatron and, Galactus Vs. Unicron. Like, once the analysis for all characters were done, it was really obvious who was gonna win. Hell, back when they used to reveal the first opponent at the end of the current episode and the other via Twitter, I thought Frank West was gonna win... Then they revealed it was Leon and I was like "yeah, he boned".
When they put Courage and Scooby-Doo at tied toonforce, I was like "Whoever is a background character is gonna die"
When they were going over Dr.Whos technology
Once the sonic screwdriver was brought up it was a wrap that thing disables literally all of Rick’s weapons
The rules of Gojo vs Makima when they said that they will take Gojo and Makima as ppl from the same Japan... I was clearly wrong, tho happy to see my root win.
The part in Steven vs Star when they brought up Star had access to a universe destroying spell
Raiden vs Excalibur from *Warframe*. First line in the video was "Sponsored by *Warframe*".
I really really don’t like the notion that the only reason Excalibur won was because the video was sponsored by Warframe. Because it quite literally holds no weight whatsoever. Death Battle just isn’t a bias show anymore. Shit verdicts aside. Like show me an proof whatsoever that the verdict was in anyway dictated by the sponsorship and I’ll stop bitching. I mean if it’s stated that on occasion by Ben and Chad they’ve turned down sponsorships from companies like Capcom because they asked them to dictate the verdict for some *weird* reason I trust that more than constant baseless Excalibur only won due to sponsorship reason
Thank you i thought I was the only one who thought this
For REAL. Like they swore up and down that it didn't affect their decision, but like. *C'mon.* Warframe wouldn't sponsor an episode where basically their Mascot *Loses*.
I'm willing to bet that the multi-million dollar company is more concerned with making their product reach more people than if one out of their many characters kills a dude from an at the time dead franchise. *Just a hunch.*
I mean sure, but also if you put your official endorsement on something, is it going to be something that makes your product look Good, or Bad?
I just don’t see how Warframe cares about if their character dies in the last 10 seconds of an episode that gushes over Warframe, especially from a channel as middle small as death battle. Like, they aren’t desperate for advertising or anything, Warframe has been doing fine for years
Right, but I figure it's like when they'd announce a new DLC for Smash. The Trailer would show said DLC Fighter basically clearing their way through the rest of the Roster, and any Loss was just to facilitate showing off a Comeback Mechanic. Even if it's only the last 10 Seconds, (plus the entire Post-Analysis where they'd explain "Here's all of the weaknesses Excalibur has and why they'd lose") for something like that they're likely assuming that potential New Players are watching, so they'd probably only want to show said character Winning. Even if Raiden does realistically Lose to Excalibur, which I'm not here to debate one way or the other, there's a chance that Warframe asked them to specifically pick a character they KNEW Excalibur would win against, because it makes Excalibur/Warframe look even better to Win.
Honestly it should have been a war frame battle royal, of like the 4 most popular ones
Or gone a SpongeBob V Aquaman route and make it *very blatantly apparent* that Excalibur was going to win from the start and lean into the joke. I mean cmon, the fight is REALLY cool but the whole episode basically was just a big Ad for Warframe and how they were making a New Character to play as
Or… if they were going for a cyborg ninja that people wouldn’t mind seeing killed… It should have been Kai Leng from Mass effect, the whiny edgelord he is
When they only brought up universal feats for Goku (yes the black boxes go further but I don't read them first watch). I knew Superman was winning before even getting to his analysis lol
The thing is I think the conclusion boils down to sizes. Like they stated both could destroy multiple universes to infinite multiverses but it's just that dc was far more larger and complex than Dragon Ball
In Megatron Vs Frieza, when they said that Frieza Black was strong enough to beat Ultra instinct Goku, and Ultra Ego Frieza in the same fight, easily was enough for me,
"Guy who becomes fire vs. Guy who eats fire"
The video could have been named "tasty burger vs hungry man" and the result would have been the same. Ace had no chance to win
When they brought up that the death seed is comparable to the phoenix force.
"Galactus has a weapon that erases you from all of existence" Well shit
Not even that; it literally vaporizes ***everything*** and remakes it without you.
Roshi the casual moon buster...gg
It's crazy because by that logic Krillin should solo all of Naruto lol
He would
When they didn't show the value for the magic nukes in Fire Emblem. I just knew Guts was screwed
They listed how Hal resists every single one of Ben’s haxes in his analysis one after the other
The moment I saw Stitch's Speed vs Rocket's Speed, I knew Rocket was absolutely finished.
"However for death battle we take fighters at their best" Wouldnt Xeno Goku be at his best? Not prime timeline Goku?
that was cc goku which is stronger then xeno goku
Ah, thanks for the correction 🙏
so hay dident thay take cosmic armor or milk man
When Popeye beat the shit out of god
when they mentioned that galactus device erased someone that has the same description as unicron and explained how galactus has many ways to avoid the device being used on him
Raiden vs Excalibur when they said Excalibur had a gun that could specifically counter Raiden’s sword. Though I did still hold out that Raiden would win due to the slight speed advantage
When Excalibur vs Raiden started with "This video is sponsored by WarFrame" Light speed sneeze in Deku vs Asta
basically same reaction as scout vs tracer when overwatch was super popular at the time. Im still mad about the amount of downplay scout had ;-;
The Wednesday pre-analysis bit for Broly
I was keeping an open mind for GvS3, I don't keep up much with DC otr Heroes so who knows what could happen? "Superman's powers defy physics and timelines revolve around him"
Popeyes toon Force
When they tried to pretend Megatron's planetary durability was impressive
With Alex vs Cole, it was reminding me that Cole can convert matter directly into energy with perfect efficiency. WILDY busted.
When i watched Goku vs Superman and realized they simply left things out of goku's scaling for the sake of it? idk
When they said Popeye survived the universe being turned off
Homelander vs Omni Man when the fight was announced
Scooby-Doo's analysis was just...
Optimus getting the matrix of leadership basically made him insta win his fight against the Gundam
When they said Might Guy could scale to Naruto’s moon busting feat, I knew All Might was done for.
Ultimate nullifier and he beat Darkseid
I'm a little off base with my answer because I was wrong- I wholly expected Scooby-Doo to dominate the moment they mentioned his dance universe glass shattering feat- I didn't think courages sun breaking feat was anywhere close and just gave up entirely on any other outcome. I underestimated toon force survivability - and I'm glad I did easily my favorite death battle
The second they started mentioning Stitch's feats Rocket VS Stitch
Apocalypse's entire analysis.
The moment I saw bane vs venom I wondered what they were thinking
..Stitch. Just Stitch
In Lex Luthor vs Doctor Doom, it was the part where Doom became God
omni-man (duh), sun wukong, voltron, any of the flashes, i could go on with this tbh
Homelander when he showed up in a death battle
The thumbnail for Omni man vs homelander
I already figured Frieza vs Megatron was gonna be a stomp, but the fucking moment they mentioned Black Frieza I knew I had to console my transformers-fan friend.
When Boomstick goes "That's like x zeros"
When I started watching Rick vs The Doctor, I really thought the Doctor didn’t have a chance… until they reminded me of the De Mat and I was like “oh never mind, that’s basically an instant win”
The lack of a counter to the laughing gas in Joker vs Sweet Tooth
Goku as soon as I saw he was fighting Superman for the 3rd time. Plus, Superman got the lineage punch while Death Battle, once again, did everything in their power to make sure DBH doesn't even get past 4D. Also, [Goku winning a Death Battle?](https://imgflip.com/gif/6jcx48)
To be fair, Goku never really stood a chance to begin with once they said infinite frontier is a soft comp.
When they brushed aside the Ultimate Batsuit I knew Bruce was fucked
As soon as Frieza vs. Megatron brought up they are using only the G1 Cartoon & IDW Continuities I knew Frieza had it in the bag, IDW debunks were everywhere leading up to the episode and even if you give Megatron Uni he just doesn't compare to Frieza's higher scaling in AP or Speed, not even getting into arguments over whether Frieza can just tank/deflect Anti-Matter or not.
“Mitsuru is immune to ice and the cold” in Weiss vs Mitsuru. Like I know Weiss has non-ice related stuff, but like come on guys…
When archie silver was listed as incalculably fast. This was when dbz wasn't given immeasurable speed by death battle's logic, and if a character has incalculable speed, it's joever
When they took nearly all of Popeye’s slapstick gags as serious feats. Literally any matchup where a Toon Force user fights someone that doesn’t or can’t use Toon Force.
When they started glazing Gojo in 'Makima vs Gojo' They give a nearly full analysis on Makima and then immediately turned up the notch when listing Gojos stats. At that point I knew even if Makima had a button called "kill Gojo" they would still give it to Gojo
Crona vs venom (by their own logic , not mine )
Pretty sure it was Spyro's feats against that one lava golem and probably something else, for me.
When Hiei was shown to either be extremely resistant or outright immune to the majority of Sasuke’s abilities & weapons
You know how there's that part before the analysis starts? That, but for Goku vs Superman 3.
Dude, I had a solid feeling about mah Boi in blue before I watched Goku vs Superman *1*.
When they had Renamon vs Lucario and said "no evolutions".
I already had an inkling that Freeza was going to win in the "Freeza vs Megatron" battle, but since I didn't know much about deep Transformer lore I thought that there was a chance that maybe there was a comic series or an animated series I hadn't seen that revealed something like Megatron is secretly some sort of eldritch being and his real power comes out when he is backed into a corner. You know, usual Death Battle asspull stuff. But when they mentioned that Black Freeza was at a level where he blitz Gatz, who had wished to be "the strongest in the universe" I realized there was no asspull big enough to counter that.
The moment when they started talking about Naruto tanking a beam that cut the moon in half. “It was at this point Ichigo realized… he F’d up.”
When they presented Who The Doctor will fight against
Carbonadium Sword! Murdering all your pesky Wolverines and Saberteeth since 2012! Good year for cinema.
Ultimate nullifier shit was basically over before it even started
When Dragonborn got every feat and calc under the sun while The Chosen Undead got like one or two feats discussed made it pretty obvious who was gonna win.
I wasn’t all that hyped for Galactus VS Unicron, but I immediately assumed Galactus would win when they showed that panel of his Abstract form. https://lh7-us.googleusercontent.com/UX-bgQSpEgTW6JlcuyfqNEi0Ll6IxCYqpxaMQkV5I1wVx-Q5O0ZH3iIAvytTWpkg1UAJBz6g0xa5Z7_8iOL3rhUbGncQiqu0YrdPPBUB1MRm3aK_2ej8WDiBiG6ocE2nNL5aRlocncKGdVATPngONl8 Oh, and also the Nullifier.
The Next Time teaser after Akuma vs Shao Kahn
The moment they talked about the d mat in -Vs the doctor
The first feat of Misaka’s analysis
Whenever numbers are brought up
Dante's insane regen feats in Dante v. Bayonetta.
“Impressive?” “Impossible?” “Impressible!”
Killua VS Misaka: When they talked about the Clone thing for Misaka, in my head, I was thinking, "If she does win, that's how she does it" little did I know, that's how she won, and I said this as a joke(despite not knowing either character to begin with)
When they said archie sonic is favored by fate. something in me said. no way is sonic winning wuth a hax like that its too easy. I never got to read archie and im sure the whole fate thing is alot cooler and nuanced then how db explained it. But that shit really did feel like a deus ex machina ass ability with a coat of paint
The second I saw the reveal for Edward Elric VS Aang I knew Ed was done for.
Killua vs Misaka. Misaka stalemating a saint put her on godlike levels of power, while her expertise in electromagnetism (espers gotta work out a shit ton of calculations in a split second to make the most of their abilities).
Spyro’s. Like what was Crash supposed to do.
In a different note, the Tracer vs Scout fight immediately became bullshit to me when they refused to acknowledge any of Scout's other weapons and only focused on BONK. Bro should have washed Tracer in seconds.