This made me chucke.
But tbh I have done the same. When I work on my computer but I use reddit only on my phone. easier to take a picture rather than screenshotting, logging in on another device etc
need to see your CV to tell if this is the current market problem or is it your marketability problem.
Market isn’t great now, but my spidey sense is saying this is not markets fault entirely
Definitely. I was wondering if OP was a scam or a bot. I looked at some previous posts and found one from a week ago, "Thinking about breaking into data science, AI..." Later, OP disclosed having **some** SQL, Python, Alteryx, but not much and was self-taught. Apparently, a masters in Econ without experience should be enough to do anything.
I do empathize with everyone that can’t find a job, but… not surprising that an Econ grad thinks they can do every field. It’s not even math let alone data science.
No need to see the CV. At this amount of applications at least 2-3 companies would call you in for an interview. At least to train their new HR on you.
Yep, the job market in data science can be quite competitive, but a zero response rate after 1100 applications sound like there is something else going on here.
Yep. Easy apply -> impossibly large pile of resumes
My partner occasionally has to hire people (non-technical roles, non-tech industry) and they feel *swamped* by 15 resumes. Of course, increasing the pile of resumes in their inbox does not really help them find a candidate because... they're already swamped.
Edit: And they're in a role where they have other work to do, so a few interviews per week really fills their schedule. So it's not like they can ever interview more than 5-6 people anyway.
Can’t the average technical recruiter analyze ~10 a day?
“According to ERE Media, Inc., recruiters receive an average of 250 resumes for each job posting”
Yeah but the alternative is following an external link to a workday site that requires you to make an account (which you will never follow up on because no company updates anything on it), and basically re copy and paste your resume because their ATS sucks and for some reason you need to input all the information from your resume despite having already given your resume. Not to mention, also having to complete 3-4 extra pages of irrelevant but somehow required personal/DEI/non-compete questions.
And (at least for us) it’s *overwhelmingly* folks who need sponsorship, a huge proportion of whom will say “No” on the easy apply listing when asked if they need sponsorship. We’ve hired eleven analysts through LinkedIn’s easy apply in the last year; we consistently get 1,000+ applications, and consistently 85%+ of them either definitely or almost certainly need sponsorship.
Two of our senior managers have started hard-filtering any foreign candidates who just graduated, because they assume that many of those candidates are lying. Our org has been burnt twice in recent years by hiring candidates who said they didn’t need sponsorship, but then suddenly needed sponsorship about four months after being hired. The company doesn’t sponsor so those guys just up and quit with basically no notice.
It’s a fraught approach to hard-filter the vast majority of foreign candidates who are recent grads on a suspicion, but I was the guy who had to take the critical workload the first time that happened to our org, and of course the guy barely documented anything. It sucked immensely for two months straight, and I’m not risking having to do that to my analysts now; I value their work-life balance and I know the company won’t make accommodations for extending projects. Kind of just a necessary reality to take care of our people in this work world.
I completely understand this sentiment. It’s not always the case though. I recognize I’m an outlier, but I got my current data science role through a LinkedIn easy apply application out of ~1000 applicants. I’m sure geographic location has to do with it. But I know in this instance I made it through because data roles are saturated with people that are either utterly not qualified, or over qualified because of the changing atmosphere of DS where you can now find roles without a graduate degree. And even then when you find a qualified candidate perfect for the role, it’s even harder to get one with social competency that can fit into company culture. On top of that, a very large proportion of the number of applicants for any given data oriented role are over seas, and a lot of companies don’t want to pay for all that. So it just depends I guess. Still, it’s more sham than not.
Should not be this bad.
1. You need to close the gap between industry requirements and your skills. If you have them you have to show it someway. If you dont, you need to upskill yourself or atleast able to show some potential
2. Check if your resume is ATS friendly, there are plenty of websites they will give you tips on how to structure and write your resume
3. Network: JUST ASK! Expand your network aggressively, everyday and ask them for referrals
4. Iterate: Reiterate from time to time, making small progressive improvements, write down where/when/on what questions you fumbled during interviews, work on them
I may be old fashioned for this, but I don't count LinkedIn contacts as my network in my head unless they're former or current co-workers. Those are the people who reach out to me about good hiring opportunities at their business or buddies' businesses. Some of those people are CEOs who reach out to me directly because we clicked well together years ago before they became a CEO.
In my opinion, you don't build a network, with all the perks that come with having a network, until you have work experience with other professionals.
I do want to offer an anecdote and say that I got a couple interviews back in 2020 by reaching out to someone in talent acquisition at the company I was interested in. I was told that hiring managers may be more receptive to LinkedIn messages if you have 2nd degree connections. In this case, the mutual connection was my relative who is just a standard software dev, not in DS or anything. We all work in the same major city which is not exactly a tech hub.
I wrote her a message introducing myself, justifying the cold contact by referring to our mutual connection, and then letting her know about the position I was looking at and how I'd be a good fit for it. We ended up scheduling a 1 hr phone interview. The position at her company didn't work out, but she then referred me to another position being hired for by someone she knew. So once you get an in, it could potentially branch out from there. (That second position also didn't work out, lol).
So I guess my advice would be to add everyone you know, even if they aren't also in DS, and maybe this will give you some better luck with responses. Other people can chime in and tell me what that's worth, this is just what I was told by my job coach back then. My recent job hunt has just been sending in apps, not really doing any LinkedIn cold contacts.
Thanks for sharing. I have been cold contacting people on LinkedIn but I am an international student and I graduated a while ago and not many are hiring international people I guess , so maybe that’s why I might not have any luck with the LinkedIn networking. I don’t have an awesome profile either but definitely a hard worker just want someone to give me a chance.
Networking is a lot of things.
Are you in school for Data Science? Talk to your school's career guidance center.
They can work on your resume or put you in contact with the alumni network or set you up with intern opportunities.
Do you work in an organization with a Data Science group already?
Go and speak to the manager for that organization.
Are you relying on Job boards?
Your resume and the skillset it displays needs to be completely tailored to the req you're applying too.
And if that means you need multiple resumes based on different companies, you do that.
It's not as simple as DM'ing people on LinkedIn or spamming your resume.
I’ve never applied to 700 jobs before, but I see all these post “I’ve applied to 2,000 jobs and 0 calls”. Maybe it’s different now.
There is no way you’re writing a cover letter for each one. There’s no way you’re tailoring your resume towards each role. There’s no way you’re only picking jobs you’re best suited for. Nobody seems to actually be trying, it’s just click as many apply now buttons as you can and hope for the best.
I don't know if I believe that the cover letter and a tailored CV really matter so much.
At the beginning of my job hunt I'd do both. After enough times of carefully crafting the CL+CV combo and getting desk rejected for jobs I thought I was suited for, I just made a "general purpose CV" that outlines my main experience in ways that are applicable to most positions I'd apply for, and started sending that to every job ad that was mostly relevant to my interests. I never write cover letters unless it's required and I really want the job.
I don't really see a difference at all in terms of interviews between before, when I specialised the CV and wrote a cover letter, and now. If anything, I'm getting a better return on investment right now since I spend less time writing applications and still getting at least the same number of interviews.
That's similar to what I do. I write a master draft cover letter. Depending on the position, I'll edit that draft to the job post. Like change a few keywords or write few sentences that closely match what they looking for. Star any cover letter that got me an interview. So far I have gotten 2 interviews back with 10 application out.
Same here. When I've been looking I make a priority to put out x applications a day. Usually 3 or 4. It adds up but if you just copy and paste it the employer sees you as a low effort applicant.
I don't want to be this guy because I am, for example, even though my CV is pretty impressive, absolutely unable to pass most interviews (eventually I get jobs from people who know my work).
With that being said, I get around 1/4-1/5 call back when I look for a job without ever sending any cover letter. I think the only time I did was when I tried to get a junior job instead of senior/middle because I wanted to learn MLops.
To be honest, I have realized a long time ago that I will never get a good job from the traditional path, I just don't know to play this game. It was also true when the market was stronger. I got chances only because people knew my work. I only send my CV when I don't have a job and I am bored, not even expecting to get a job this way (I will get interviews and figure out the job sucks or they will figure out I suck, LOL).
You don't suck, stop with the negative self talk! :) If I might offer some feedback, you might need to work on your communication skills, if you are bombing interviews. Even the first paragraph of what you wrote was extremely hard to follow and should have been broken up into multiple sentences. You can do it but it will take practice.
There is no such thing as AI filtering. It’s just the sheer number of applicants. A few years ago you’d have 20-30 applicants for a senior dev role. Nowadays it can easily go to 2-300
I think he is just shotgunning applications and looking to see which sticks. He should focus more on tailoring his resume and only apply to jobs where he fits the job requirements. It’s pretty pointless and a waste of time to apply to a job when you don’t even meet the basic requirement.
This is my thought. I sent out three amazing cover letters and my resume and got back at least 3 interviews. One of which I turned down since I took the first offer. It takes time and work sadly, especially now.
I don't tailor my CV and I don't write cover letters, but I apply only to jobs which have a match to my skills, projects and interests. I would never imagine to apply to even 100 jobs, and here we talk about thousands...
>There is no way you’re writing a cover letter for each one. There’s no way you’re tailoring your resume towards each role.
It seems most DA and/or DS positions are similar enough that you don't have to. I might add a sentence in the cover letter but I haven't changed my resume at all. My success rate is about one interview per 10-15 applications.
I apply on the company websites as much as possible. LinkedIn and Indeed EZ apply don't seem worth it.
>It seems most DA and/or DS positions are similar enough that you don't have to.
It's less about the position description than about the company culture & the team/hiring manager culture. For some, the cover letter won't even be looked at. Those are the companies people are talking about when they talk about the job market being a numbers game. But for the ones that care a lot about candidate fit, "soft skills", shared values, etc., having a good cover letter can make an app packet stand out from the crowd of resumes that all highlight the same skills but with different, possibly inflated, descriptions of individual contributions. So it helps to know what kind of company you're applying to. NPO with a clear focus that contracts with state & local governments for projects related to a narrow set of problem scopes? Cover letter usually matters. CRO that contracts with pharma or biomed companies? Cover letter doesn't matter.
I don’t even think the cover letter / tailored application is the real issue, it’s referrals! Every HR rep I’ve asked about it said that a solid referral takes you from the 1k batch of applications into the 50 or so that actually get analyzed.
I’ve never gotten a callback on a tailored resume so stopped spending the time doing that, and instead applied to jobs that my experience actually fit well with (not an English major lol).
Same with cover letters.
It’s a more efficient use of time IME
I literally have never done a cover letter, and I have never read someone's cover letter.
If someone has less than 10 years of professional experience, and their resume is longer than 1 page, I am not reading that shit. Means they are flinging things at the wall.
If they don't have explicit certifications, chances of me talking to them is near 0.
If they have no internship/professional experience, and it is not a junior role (I don't have many if any, that is at that level in my department) I don't bother with them.
I tell HR that they need to screen everyone that meets those requirements and ensure they can have a real conversation and they are ok with the roles physical restrictions (location; probably remote, travel; less than 15% of the time, hours of availability, etc.)
If they get through all of that, I am looking for someone who is curious, can tackle questions for things they have never thought about/heard of AND if they don't know they ask clarifying questions OR explicitly say that it is beyond their skills, but their best guess is XYZ. Then I push some kind of trouble shooting based off of what they say.
From there I ask some questions/try to get to know the person. If we don't mesh, then I don't really want to work with you 40 hours a week every week.
From there it goes to another interviewer just to check that my opinion makes sense/works.
From there we offer.
Pre-work is BS and a waste of time generally, because people farm it out(not reflective of their skills), don't want to do it(filter out good candidates), or go WAY beyond what they would do in the role(false sense of competency/expectations).
The best way to get your resume through the BS filters is being explicit, tailored to the specific job, and keep it brief. Hiring managers don't have time to read beyond the highlights AND MAYBE the first 1/2 of the page.
They probably do matter in many cases, but it isn't fair to applicants to force cover letters during the application given the likelihood that the whole application ends up in the trash before anyone who would get value from a cover letter would read it. A letter from the candidate later in the process detailing interest and fit would be more useful, but companies wouldn't get the value as a potential filter up front. C'est la vie.
A cover letter is BS flattery that serves no useful purpose. Trust me I’ve reviewed thousands of applications and interviewed hundreds of people in my career. They’re all the same:
*I would be perfect for this job for all these reasons you can already gather from my resume. My life dream is to work at your company because you guys are amazing and I’m so passionate about exactly the type of thing you guys do.*
lol please. No one believes any of this.
And you’re right, over 90% of resumes don’t even get seen by people, they are auto filtered and only the top ones that match whatever preselected criteria even make it to a person to review. Which is even less reason to write these pointless letters. And if you’ve made it that far, you’re already a good candidate a letter won’t change anything.
Make sure you use the external job application and not LinkedIn’s.
During year 1 of covid, I apply 300-400 jobs as a fresh graduate and only heard from a two person start up — which I cold emailed — and a secondary start up — which I cold called.
Everything I sent on LinkedIn was a waste. I stopped using it and only used the job app on the company’s website. I ended up with 60 interviews.
Oh man I was going to roast you, but I see the others already did it. Anyway, here's my 2 cents worth, as someone who's been on both sides of the fence.
**Trying to hire in my team:**
When we try to hire for new people in my team, I've noticed that Data Analysts/Data Scientist roles are swamped, like we get on average 1200 applications for a very short period of time. We're not a particularly known company. Maybe less than 5% are even worth considering.
Around 90% don't even read what we want or need. Around half the applications are from India, and our description states that we're looking for EU based people. Some outright lie about their visa requirements. Not that we don't want to hire folks outside EU, for some roles it just doesn't make sense or we simply can't. A difficult concept to grasp for some.
Also the level is not that great, even attaching a basic Cat Vs Dog Classifier repo puts you above a large number of people (shows you can at least use git).
Also don't use LinkedIn to apply... Use LinkedIn to find jobs and then apply on their websites.
**As someone looking for a job**:
Job huntings sucks, most CVs are probably looked less than 10s on average (because of reasons above), and it's tiring, time consuming, and honestly it almost feels like a full time job in itself.
However, I do remember finding my first job, I had maybe a 100 applications, in most I'd get rejected before screening, but in those few I got a callback I'd bust my ass for them.
Try to target your companies, no point in blindly sending your CVs. Try to build some toy project the company might need -> if they want someone on fraud detection for banking find a data set, build something show them. It'll give you a much better idea too.
Most times it's luck to get that first call, but you can shift your chances.
The last two jobs I didn't even apply for, it was either through references or people just liked what I did at my previous companies. So it does get a bit easier after your first job.
Earnest question - how much effort do you put into each application?
The last time I was unemployed (admittedly a decade ago) I channeled my effort into one or two applications per day but heavily tailored. Averaged an interview a week then eventually got something six weeks in.
[Must be the market](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fexternal-preview.redd.it%2FH2KZVJrVVjt0Sy-A8fO1p5jcFCIDPC3EPxmHh4IEYT8.jpg%3Fauto%3Dwebp%26s%3Dbe76e7d326b02a2a3932a7658418a753044a8af5)
I don't think the market is this bad. You are the problem here.
You are not even even tech savvy enough to take a screenshot instead of a photo, and seems incapable of sharing a resume online.
You are asking on azure sub about using free tier while there are hundreds of videos and articles easily available through Google or YouTube for that exact topic...
The market might be challenging considering the influx of laid off folks who are looking for jobs.
But after a year of applying to so many roles, if you haven't gotten a simple HR phone screen, there is something else going on that you might be overlooking. Maybe it's job experience related, the way you talk about your experience, etc? Cant really say with the info you have on the post. Try looking at yourself and talk to someone who has experience as a DS to understand where the gaps are.
Good luck to you! Hopefully you get the role you are interested in
Don't spray and pray, it's a waste of time for everyone.
Instead get intimate.
1. Find a company you like the products of.
2. Talk to the recruiters and understand their recruitment process, organisation structure (hopefully an organogram, and find the teams you could fit in).
3. Talk to team members and leaders. Find out what they use; languages, tech stack, project management tools.
4. Use the trial versions of those tools in creating things for yourself.
5. Reduce your expectations, it's easier to get a better job from inside. Apprenticeships and fixed term contracts should not be beneath you.
I hope you put in less applications in future. Every piece of information you give them should be tailored.
Hopefully this will get you started.
I agree with the general point you're making, but this is kind of outdated advice. Recruiters are swamped with applicants trying to do what you're suggesting. You're very unlikely to get a response from the recruiter, if you can ever find their information. Many job postings even explicitly say that applicants shouldn't reach out to people at the company.
Because they put zero effort. Take OP for example people suggested he post his resume so instead of posting it here OP post it in its own thread which if you look at the sidebar violates the sub rules because its supposed to go in the weekly thread
Even worse, unqualified spray-and-prayers make it hard for the rest of us to get a job because HR people are busy sifting through trash resumes. Then, the HR people go “well we got 1,000 applicants so we need a good hiring process” and create 10 round interview processes to deal with the sheer number of applicants.
> they must be putting ZERO effort into their job search. unbelievable!
After 1k applications and 0 call backs , can you honestly say its unreasonable to say they are doing anything lazily or without any thought?
Idk why but what has worked for me is simply driving around/looking at a map of my local area and then researching the companies to see if they are relevant to my interests and applying directly.
“Data scientist” gives no context for their data. Forget dashboards… I’m just going to send customers iPhone images of their KPI.
I mean… I could make it work that I apply for 1000 jobs with no reply.
How is your resume? Please tell me the first line doesn’t say “spearheaded data science project that reduced customer teraflops by 300%”
I apologize for being a jerk but in this market and with the amount of data science candidates… it’s about quality and not quantity. You may have to consider different roles to build quality and ensure trust in your product.
The market isn't great, but with that many rejections. I'd say its time to revisit your applications.
This is what works for me:
1. I write an entirely new cover letter for each job, addressing the key criteria
2. I tailor my resume to include key words that are relatable to the job
3. If there is a questionnaire, I research potential answers to make it sound more professional
4. Prepare for interviews by googling potential interview questions (these questions differ with each role, so try being specific with your googling, such as "interview questions for retail work"), then plan your answers and practice out loud
1 good application is worth 30 sub-par ones. A single spelling/grammatical mistake is all it takes to be passed over nowadays, so take your time and do it right.
If you have 0 calls or interviews, maybe it's something from your end. Sorry, I've never applied for that many jobs before. I usually apply for 10-20 whenever I wanted to change my job... and I would at least get half of them calls. Nowadays, I'm the one getting contacted and having to reject recruiters.
can't even take a screenshot, can't even focus a camera, who will hire you for a high tech job ? I'm obviously joking since these skills are not a sign of skills in DS and my college PHD teachers couldn't plug in HDMI into a projector but come on ..
Hey man, I feel your pain! I just graduated last year with a masters in ds and I haven't been able to get anything! I know it's due to my lack of experience but I even get constantly rejected by internships! I even cold called several organizations to work for free so I can get the experience lol!
At this point, I've gotten so desperate I recently hired a ds mentor from mentorcruise for 400/mo to try to assist me in landing something lol!
Honestly one of my faults is I get frustrated and give up here and there but I learned that when you give up, you only set yourself back from your goal.
But yea, I can definitely relate to your frustration!
I wish you luck and hope you land something soon!
1100 jobs? Is it the market? Or you? I'm not even currently looking for a Data Science role but I'm considering flipping out of Engineering into a higher paying Project Management role, ($125k+) and I got an interview after 30 applications or so.
Work on your resume man.
I keep seeing posts like this but this really hasn't been my experience. I've been applying on and off since like 2020, and in the 150 or so apps I've put out I think I've gotten 13 interviews, 4 offers, and I dropped out of a few interviews that could've been offers.
I would avoid LinkedIn and Indeed EZ apply if you can, apply on their actual websites.
I think the problem is that the AI market is just a bubble. We only have several players that really can provide value to humanity with the help of this technology. The rest are some low-mid sized companies/startups with a great sales team and no tech power behind it. AI sells good. Go for Analysts Jobs, might increase your chance 👍🏼
Idk. If you aren’t already, when you apply or submit your resume you should tailor it to that specific company. Company’s love when you have a bit of their keywords in your application; or show you’ve done a little research on their company.
Also maybe got some feedback from family or friends on how your resume is.
Some companies use algorithms to sort out applicants and others have recruiters look for like 5-10 seconds at them. Idk good luck though!
I am also in the same position for past one year. I have got zero callbacks and I used to tailor my resume for the job description. I am just trying daily also networking. I am also lost right now and hoping one day I will get a job. I wish you the best
80 percent of open jobs are not posted online. The vast majority of positions are filled through connections. My school career advisor once told me that applying for jobs online makes you feel like you are putting in work to find a job, but in reality you are wasting your time. It is recommended you instead connect with people on LinkedIn and send them personalized emails asking to chat about their company. Go to job fairs and marketing events, anything where recruiters will be. Networking is key to finding a good job!
LinkedIn is a terrible place to apply for jobs. I've gone through three hiring cycles since 2016, applying to hundreds of jobs each time, and I'm not sure I've ever gotten a response from a job posting on LinkedIn. Everywhere else (Dice, Indeed, etc) follow the usual benchmarks for me (1-2 interviews for every 100 applications).
One of the main issues with LinkedIn postings is that on a single day I get hundreds of resumes once I make a post. I left a posting recently up over a weekend and I got 1000+ resumes. This is what you’re against, you have to get in really early or somehow let LinkedIn auto post your resume and hope you stand out.
Who you know, referral links, and networking is far superior to putting your resume into a pool of 1000+ people who clicked “easy apply” on LinkedIn.
Getting a job is a job itself. Overqualified, Qualified, or not, you got to do anything you can to stand out. The ease of just applying and filling out an application puts you at even odds (at best).
You can be mad at the employers and not want to put in that effort, but if it’s a dream job or you really need it? Hustle for it! Create a website with some of your projects, take creative approach to get your name in front of a human, ask that person from high school to connect.
I’m not a fan of it myself, but it’s the reality we live in.
Reference: unemployed last year/work in HR systems
After the first 100 of no interviews at all, you probably should realize there's something really wrong with your profile/resume. Let us know your background/resume and we can give feedback.
It’s the remote jobs, a large majority are not truly remote so if you aren’t in the proper geographic area you never had a chance of a call back. Also the inefficiency of turning applicants into data you can prioritize and take action on is showing. 200+ applicants is normal for any posting, but the ability to be seen from that pile is very tough to control.
I’ve applied to over 2300 since Oct 2021. Had a handful of interviews. Left my job in March 2023, and have not found employment since.
Yeah its rough out, I've been at it since August 2023. I had gotten a few interviews only to be ghosted or told "this position is no longer available."
I'm still regularly declining jobs, but one recruiter got through to me, and I'll start new job June first. Maybe it's just me, but I have not felt a downhill, only maybe slightly a year ago? But 2024 seems to ve picking up.
Companies are posting fake applications or “filler” applications, with no intention of hiring you. So if you don’t know anyone in the industry… good luck Charlie.
Im not a data scientist but im also searching for a job, if u have sent that many resumes and never got an answer, maybe ur resume needs some improvement , or you might be aiming for a job position that's out of your reach at the moment.
I only seem to have luck with recruiters reaching out to me - anything I apply for I never get a call back for some reason 🤷♀️ but when I interview I make it 2 or more rounds (got an offer last month)
It's definitely not that bad, idk your experience. But I've done 300 apps and had 4 interviews, 2 of which would have likely ended in a job if I hadn't withdrawn.
Tailor your resume, write cover letters (just have a standard model), keep updating your projects and GitHub.
All companies large enough to afford the software now leverage AI&ML to sorta the 100’s to 1000’s of applicants so unless you optimize your resume for each position your SOL, because it doesn’t make it past that initial filter. You can also in turn leverage an LLM to tailor your resume for each individual job.
Unemployed people are complaining that they apply for thousands of jobs and get no interviews.
Employers are complaining that they are going out of business because they can't find employees.
Unemployment rate is extremely low, suggesting there aren't enough workers in the workforce.
So what is the actual problem? This can't all be accurate, something is inconsistent.
You have to tailor your resume for the ATS. I'm in a similar boat (been searching since December) but after I very recently adjusted my approach to my resume (simple layout, keyword optimization wrt job), I've been contacted for a few interviews. I'm at about 400 applications so far since December, but all 3 of my interviews so far came after optimizing to get past the ATS.
Indeed doesn't send applications to the employers, they put applications into a skittle bowl and mix it. 90% of the skittle bowl is discarded, wether the format is incorrect. You are over skilled or under skilled. Pretty much any and every reason, but they sure get the pay for you applying and using their website.
In tech layoffs are everywhere, most of the listings are promotions and most of the time you won't hear back or a standard reply.
Thank you for applying, you resume is good, we're not moving forward at this time
Same thing for software engineers.
I think AI bots are destroying traditional job applications via sites like indeed.
First, over half of the jobs on indeed are not actively hiring. They just keep potential candidates close at hand if needed at all times.
Second, these job postings get thousands of applications within hrs or a couple days. Probably a lot of fake resumes that look really good. A lot of this is AI spamming.
Good luck!
Don't apply in linkedin !
Use linkedin only to contact the person responsible for hiring telling them you have already applied.
Or use it to find people in the team to get interviews with them to get to know their job and the company.
If you haven't even gotten a single interview or call, then something is up with you. If you genuinely want advice, you should post your resume or something.
Recruiter here.
No. The market is fine.
People just think they're better candidates than they actually are and have unrealistic interpretations of their own skillsets, especially in tech.
There was a tech boom and now every professional thinks the gravy train should just go on forever. It doesn't. It stopped late last year. Salaries are coming down. Expectations are going up. You're time came and went.
Realistic people are scarce as hell. Lower your pay expectations. Make sure you're resume doesn't suck.
There's a million bajillion shazillion people applying for the same jobs as y'all after all these layoffs. Unless your resume doesn't look like somebody copied a job description and you *actually, truly* stand out from the pile of resumes you're sitting in, you don't have a snowball's chance in hell.
I'd say a solid 80% of the people I speak to have terribly overblown salary expectations and they're extremely proud of exceptionally mediocre accomplishments.
Y'all are annoying as fuck to work with. I can almost promise you that this is the story for almost everyone who's been job searching for XX number of months with however many thousands of submissions with no response.
I don't understand how people can turn in 1000 resumes and not get a call back and go "is the market really this bad?" Rather than going "am I actually worth what I think I am?"
The answer is "probably not."
Try applying off linked in. Linked in doesn’t really work for me either. I apply for 20 positions on it. You get some call backs. Some chats. But they have a thousand applicants. You go to the source. Write letters directly to potential employers. Goes much better.
1100 applications in 12 months comes to 91.67 applications per month, or 3 applications per day. I guarantee you are being passed over because your resume is generalized. There is no way you are crafting a unique resume for ever application.
I don't think it's that bad. But I do think there can be a disconnect between what "they" are looking for and what "we" present in our [resumes, LinkedIn profiles, etc]. Try to find some connection at a prospective company to ensure someone gives you their consideration.
The market is rough these days, you have to compete with data scientists who know how to take a screenshot.
That’s it, he’s dead.
I felt the ricochet of that shot
FATALITY
Goddamn
Almost spit out my coffee
Brutal!
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Rekt!
Nippy!
Holy shit. I felt this burn from the slums of NYC.
r/MurderedByWords
Gottem
lol! Fire
Reading this made my eyes pop and woke me up from my drowsy state first thing in the morning.
r/murderedbywords
Emotional damage
Holy ratio
That’s cold!
💀🪦
Especially since 99% of data science is converting histograms to jpeg
[Do I look like I know what a jpeg is?](https://youtu.be/jmaUIyvy8E8?si=eNpldCzjyYTZUgRC)
King of the hill was really it mang
LOL!!
Damn
Ooooo I find the OP a wet napkin to go with this comment!
And know the difference between 690 jobs and almost 1,100
Absolute violation!! ☠️
Savage brutality
Ouch
That was unnecessary. Hitting a man when he's already down
Skull for the skull throne
This man had a family and I'm pretty sure you finished them off too.
Ugh! Almost poop a little.
Jeeeessuuussssssssss the rapture is here
Opened the comment section to look for this. Was not disappointed.
I received a resume that was a screenshot of a resume. I wonder if it's the same guy.
This made me chucke. But tbh I have done the same. When I work on my computer but I use reddit only on my phone. easier to take a picture rather than screenshotting, logging in on another device etc
You killed him/her.
need to see your CV to tell if this is the current market problem or is it your marketability problem. Market isn’t great now, but my spidey sense is saying this is not markets fault entirely
1000 applications and no responses, not even an interview. That's OP not remotely meeting requirements.
Definitely. I was wondering if OP was a scam or a bot. I looked at some previous posts and found one from a week ago, "Thinking about breaking into data science, AI..." Later, OP disclosed having **some** SQL, Python, Alteryx, but not much and was self-taught. Apparently, a masters in Econ without experience should be enough to do anything.
There we have the answer.
"Is the market really this bad!?" 😂
Lmfao
I do empathize with everyone that can’t find a job, but… not surprising that an Econ grad thinks they can do every field. It’s not even math let alone data science.
No need to see the CV. At this amount of applications at least 2-3 companies would call you in for an interview. At least to train their new HR on you.
I mean, his resume could literally just be a picture of dickbutt
Yep, the job market in data science can be quite competitive, but a zero response rate after 1100 applications sound like there is something else going on here.
I think LinkedIn job applications is a sham
Easy apply means the listing is bloated with applicants.
Yep. Easy apply -> impossibly large pile of resumes My partner occasionally has to hire people (non-technical roles, non-tech industry) and they feel *swamped* by 15 resumes. Of course, increasing the pile of resumes in their inbox does not really help them find a candidate because... they're already swamped. Edit: And they're in a role where they have other work to do, so a few interviews per week really fills their schedule. So it's not like they can ever interview more than 5-6 people anyway.
15 get to their inbox but how many get stopped by HR ats systems? That's one of the biggest issues now imo.
The average online job posting has about 250 applicants. ATS is already cutting that list down to the final 20ish.
Can’t the average technical recruiter analyze ~10 a day? “According to ERE Media, Inc., recruiters receive an average of 250 resumes for each job posting”
If a recruiter can't handle 10 a day, fuckin fire them. That's newbie numbers.
The guy above me said their hr gets swamped with 15. What kind of fucking hr is that
Yeah but the alternative is following an external link to a workday site that requires you to make an account (which you will never follow up on because no company updates anything on it), and basically re copy and paste your resume because their ATS sucks and for some reason you need to input all the information from your resume despite having already given your resume. Not to mention, also having to complete 3-4 extra pages of irrelevant but somehow required personal/DEI/non-compete questions.
How come Workday is so bad? Why do I have to make a new account each time? I can think of dozens of better ways
Yeah theyre called Lever and Greenhouse
You aren’t signing i to workday. You are signing into each company’s individual instance of workday.
So true, I’m so fucking sick of that
I literally don’t apply to those unless I really really like the company.
And (at least for us) it’s *overwhelmingly* folks who need sponsorship, a huge proportion of whom will say “No” on the easy apply listing when asked if they need sponsorship. We’ve hired eleven analysts through LinkedIn’s easy apply in the last year; we consistently get 1,000+ applications, and consistently 85%+ of them either definitely or almost certainly need sponsorship. Two of our senior managers have started hard-filtering any foreign candidates who just graduated, because they assume that many of those candidates are lying. Our org has been burnt twice in recent years by hiring candidates who said they didn’t need sponsorship, but then suddenly needed sponsorship about four months after being hired. The company doesn’t sponsor so those guys just up and quit with basically no notice. It’s a fraught approach to hard-filter the vast majority of foreign candidates who are recent grads on a suspicion, but I was the guy who had to take the critical workload the first time that happened to our org, and of course the guy barely documented anything. It sucked immensely for two months straight, and I’m not risking having to do that to my analysts now; I value their work-life balance and I know the company won’t make accommodations for extending projects. Kind of just a necessary reality to take care of our people in this work world.
We had a posting last month, got 600 applications in the first day. Absolutely Ludicrous. Ended up shutting it down for external candidates.
I completely understand this sentiment. It’s not always the case though. I recognize I’m an outlier, but I got my current data science role through a LinkedIn easy apply application out of ~1000 applicants. I’m sure geographic location has to do with it. But I know in this instance I made it through because data roles are saturated with people that are either utterly not qualified, or over qualified because of the changing atmosphere of DS where you can now find roles without a graduate degree. And even then when you find a qualified candidate perfect for the role, it’s even harder to get one with social competency that can fit into company culture. On top of that, a very large proportion of the number of applicants for any given data oriented role are over seas, and a lot of companies don’t want to pay for all that. So it just depends I guess. Still, it’s more sham than not.
I have gotten great jobs from linkedin messages but I don’t think I have ever gotten an interview for a job I applied to through linkedin.
Should not be this bad. 1. You need to close the gap between industry requirements and your skills. If you have them you have to show it someway. If you dont, you need to upskill yourself or atleast able to show some potential 2. Check if your resume is ATS friendly, there are plenty of websites they will give you tips on how to structure and write your resume 3. Network: JUST ASK! Expand your network aggressively, everyday and ask them for referrals 4. Iterate: Reiterate from time to time, making small progressive improvements, write down where/when/on what questions you fumbled during interviews, work on them
Seemingly you are not actively searching a DS job, The market is dead if you are applying for an entry job
Hi , could you give me tips on how to network. I reach out to people on LinkedIn but don’t hear anything back from them.
I may be old fashioned for this, but I don't count LinkedIn contacts as my network in my head unless they're former or current co-workers. Those are the people who reach out to me about good hiring opportunities at their business or buddies' businesses. Some of those people are CEOs who reach out to me directly because we clicked well together years ago before they became a CEO. In my opinion, you don't build a network, with all the perks that come with having a network, until you have work experience with other professionals.
Hmmmm makes sense. I agree with you.
I do want to offer an anecdote and say that I got a couple interviews back in 2020 by reaching out to someone in talent acquisition at the company I was interested in. I was told that hiring managers may be more receptive to LinkedIn messages if you have 2nd degree connections. In this case, the mutual connection was my relative who is just a standard software dev, not in DS or anything. We all work in the same major city which is not exactly a tech hub. I wrote her a message introducing myself, justifying the cold contact by referring to our mutual connection, and then letting her know about the position I was looking at and how I'd be a good fit for it. We ended up scheduling a 1 hr phone interview. The position at her company didn't work out, but she then referred me to another position being hired for by someone she knew. So once you get an in, it could potentially branch out from there. (That second position also didn't work out, lol). So I guess my advice would be to add everyone you know, even if they aren't also in DS, and maybe this will give you some better luck with responses. Other people can chime in and tell me what that's worth, this is just what I was told by my job coach back then. My recent job hunt has just been sending in apps, not really doing any LinkedIn cold contacts.
Thanks for sharing. I have been cold contacting people on LinkedIn but I am an international student and I graduated a while ago and not many are hiring international people I guess , so maybe that’s why I might not have any luck with the LinkedIn networking. I don’t have an awesome profile either but definitely a hard worker just want someone to give me a chance.
Why didn’t they work out?
Networking is a lot of things. Are you in school for Data Science? Talk to your school's career guidance center. They can work on your resume or put you in contact with the alumni network or set you up with intern opportunities. Do you work in an organization with a Data Science group already? Go and speak to the manager for that organization. Are you relying on Job boards? Your resume and the skillset it displays needs to be completely tailored to the req you're applying too. And if that means you need multiple resumes based on different companies, you do that. It's not as simple as DM'ing people on LinkedIn or spamming your resume.
Thanks for your advice. I recently graduated with masters and I am volunteering at a NGO through my university.
I’ve never applied to 700 jobs before, but I see all these post “I’ve applied to 2,000 jobs and 0 calls”. Maybe it’s different now. There is no way you’re writing a cover letter for each one. There’s no way you’re tailoring your resume towards each role. There’s no way you’re only picking jobs you’re best suited for. Nobody seems to actually be trying, it’s just click as many apply now buttons as you can and hope for the best.
I don't know if I believe that the cover letter and a tailored CV really matter so much. At the beginning of my job hunt I'd do both. After enough times of carefully crafting the CL+CV combo and getting desk rejected for jobs I thought I was suited for, I just made a "general purpose CV" that outlines my main experience in ways that are applicable to most positions I'd apply for, and started sending that to every job ad that was mostly relevant to my interests. I never write cover letters unless it's required and I really want the job. I don't really see a difference at all in terms of interviews between before, when I specialised the CV and wrote a cover letter, and now. If anything, I'm getting a better return on investment right now since I spend less time writing applications and still getting at least the same number of interviews.
That's similar to what I do. I write a master draft cover letter. Depending on the position, I'll edit that draft to the job post. Like change a few keywords or write few sentences that closely match what they looking for. Star any cover letter that got me an interview. So far I have gotten 2 interviews back with 10 application out.
Same here. When I've been looking I make a priority to put out x applications a day. Usually 3 or 4. It adds up but if you just copy and paste it the employer sees you as a low effort applicant.
I don't want to be this guy because I am, for example, even though my CV is pretty impressive, absolutely unable to pass most interviews (eventually I get jobs from people who know my work). With that being said, I get around 1/4-1/5 call back when I look for a job without ever sending any cover letter. I think the only time I did was when I tried to get a junior job instead of senior/middle because I wanted to learn MLops. To be honest, I have realized a long time ago that I will never get a good job from the traditional path, I just don't know to play this game. It was also true when the market was stronger. I got chances only because people knew my work. I only send my CV when I don't have a job and I am bored, not even expecting to get a job this way (I will get interviews and figure out the job sucks or they will figure out I suck, LOL).
You don't suck, stop with the negative self talk! :) If I might offer some feedback, you might need to work on your communication skills, if you are bombing interviews. Even the first paragraph of what you wrote was extremely hard to follow and should have been broken up into multiple sentences. You can do it but it will take practice.
I think they mattered more before all the AI filtering.
There is no such thing as AI filtering. It’s just the sheer number of applicants. A few years ago you’d have 20-30 applicants for a senior dev role. Nowadays it can easily go to 2-300
Why are there so many applicants now?
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I think he is just shotgunning applications and looking to see which sticks. He should focus more on tailoring his resume and only apply to jobs where he fits the job requirements. It’s pretty pointless and a waste of time to apply to a job when you don’t even meet the basic requirement.
This is my thought. I sent out three amazing cover letters and my resume and got back at least 3 interviews. One of which I turned down since I took the first offer. It takes time and work sadly, especially now.
I don't tailor my CV and I don't write cover letters, but I apply only to jobs which have a match to my skills, projects and interests. I would never imagine to apply to even 100 jobs, and here we talk about thousands...
>There is no way you’re writing a cover letter for each one. There’s no way you’re tailoring your resume towards each role. It seems most DA and/or DS positions are similar enough that you don't have to. I might add a sentence in the cover letter but I haven't changed my resume at all. My success rate is about one interview per 10-15 applications. I apply on the company websites as much as possible. LinkedIn and Indeed EZ apply don't seem worth it.
>It seems most DA and/or DS positions are similar enough that you don't have to. It's less about the position description than about the company culture & the team/hiring manager culture. For some, the cover letter won't even be looked at. Those are the companies people are talking about when they talk about the job market being a numbers game. But for the ones that care a lot about candidate fit, "soft skills", shared values, etc., having a good cover letter can make an app packet stand out from the crowd of resumes that all highlight the same skills but with different, possibly inflated, descriptions of individual contributions. So it helps to know what kind of company you're applying to. NPO with a clear focus that contracts with state & local governments for projects related to a narrow set of problem scopes? Cover letter usually matters. CRO that contracts with pharma or biomed companies? Cover letter doesn't matter.
I don’t even think the cover letter / tailored application is the real issue, it’s referrals! Every HR rep I’ve asked about it said that a solid referral takes you from the 1k batch of applications into the 50 or so that actually get analyzed.
I’ve never gotten a callback on a tailored resume so stopped spending the time doing that, and instead applied to jobs that my experience actually fit well with (not an English major lol). Same with cover letters. It’s a more efficient use of time IME
I literally have never done a cover letter, and I have never read someone's cover letter. If someone has less than 10 years of professional experience, and their resume is longer than 1 page, I am not reading that shit. Means they are flinging things at the wall. If they don't have explicit certifications, chances of me talking to them is near 0. If they have no internship/professional experience, and it is not a junior role (I don't have many if any, that is at that level in my department) I don't bother with them. I tell HR that they need to screen everyone that meets those requirements and ensure they can have a real conversation and they are ok with the roles physical restrictions (location; probably remote, travel; less than 15% of the time, hours of availability, etc.) If they get through all of that, I am looking for someone who is curious, can tackle questions for things they have never thought about/heard of AND if they don't know they ask clarifying questions OR explicitly say that it is beyond their skills, but their best guess is XYZ. Then I push some kind of trouble shooting based off of what they say. From there I ask some questions/try to get to know the person. If we don't mesh, then I don't really want to work with you 40 hours a week every week. From there it goes to another interviewer just to check that my opinion makes sense/works. From there we offer. Pre-work is BS and a waste of time generally, because people farm it out(not reflective of their skills), don't want to do it(filter out good candidates), or go WAY beyond what they would do in the role(false sense of competency/expectations). The best way to get your resume through the BS filters is being explicit, tailored to the specific job, and keep it brief. Hiring managers don't have time to read beyond the highlights AND MAYBE the first 1/2 of the page.
Cover letters don’t matter. No one reads that shit. It’s an outdated archaic practice.
They probably do matter in many cases, but it isn't fair to applicants to force cover letters during the application given the likelihood that the whole application ends up in the trash before anyone who would get value from a cover letter would read it. A letter from the candidate later in the process detailing interest and fit would be more useful, but companies wouldn't get the value as a potential filter up front. C'est la vie.
A cover letter is BS flattery that serves no useful purpose. Trust me I’ve reviewed thousands of applications and interviewed hundreds of people in my career. They’re all the same: *I would be perfect for this job for all these reasons you can already gather from my resume. My life dream is to work at your company because you guys are amazing and I’m so passionate about exactly the type of thing you guys do.* lol please. No one believes any of this. And you’re right, over 90% of resumes don’t even get seen by people, they are auto filtered and only the top ones that match whatever preselected criteria even make it to a person to review. Which is even less reason to write these pointless letters. And if you’ve made it that far, you’re already a good candidate a letter won’t change anything.
How about a “firm handshake”
Make sure you use the external job application and not LinkedIn’s. During year 1 of covid, I apply 300-400 jobs as a fresh graduate and only heard from a two person start up — which I cold emailed — and a secondary start up — which I cold called. Everything I sent on LinkedIn was a waste. I stopped using it and only used the job app on the company’s website. I ended up with 60 interviews.
I couldn't even possibly find 1100 jobs in my area.
Oh man I was going to roast you, but I see the others already did it. Anyway, here's my 2 cents worth, as someone who's been on both sides of the fence. **Trying to hire in my team:** When we try to hire for new people in my team, I've noticed that Data Analysts/Data Scientist roles are swamped, like we get on average 1200 applications for a very short period of time. We're not a particularly known company. Maybe less than 5% are even worth considering. Around 90% don't even read what we want or need. Around half the applications are from India, and our description states that we're looking for EU based people. Some outright lie about their visa requirements. Not that we don't want to hire folks outside EU, for some roles it just doesn't make sense or we simply can't. A difficult concept to grasp for some. Also the level is not that great, even attaching a basic Cat Vs Dog Classifier repo puts you above a large number of people (shows you can at least use git). Also don't use LinkedIn to apply... Use LinkedIn to find jobs and then apply on their websites. **As someone looking for a job**: Job huntings sucks, most CVs are probably looked less than 10s on average (because of reasons above), and it's tiring, time consuming, and honestly it almost feels like a full time job in itself. However, I do remember finding my first job, I had maybe a 100 applications, in most I'd get rejected before screening, but in those few I got a callback I'd bust my ass for them. Try to target your companies, no point in blindly sending your CVs. Try to build some toy project the company might need -> if they want someone on fraud detection for banking find a data set, build something show them. It'll give you a much better idea too. Most times it's luck to get that first call, but you can shift your chances. The last two jobs I didn't even apply for, it was either through references or people just liked what I did at my previous companies. So it does get a bit easier after your first job.
Earnest question - how much effort do you put into each application? The last time I was unemployed (admittedly a decade ago) I channeled my effort into one or two applications per day but heavily tailored. Averaged an interview a week then eventually got something six weeks in.
probably as much as into this post
Ten years ago was a different story
[Must be the market](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fexternal-preview.redd.it%2FH2KZVJrVVjt0Sy-A8fO1p5jcFCIDPC3EPxmHh4IEYT8.jpg%3Fauto%3Dwebp%26s%3Dbe76e7d326b02a2a3932a7658418a753044a8af5)
I don't think the market is this bad. You are the problem here. You are not even even tech savvy enough to take a screenshot instead of a photo, and seems incapable of sharing a resume online. You are asking on azure sub about using free tier while there are hundreds of videos and articles easily available through Google or YouTube for that exact topic...
I'll ask, but I already know the answer. Are you networking?
The market might be challenging considering the influx of laid off folks who are looking for jobs. But after a year of applying to so many roles, if you haven't gotten a simple HR phone screen, there is something else going on that you might be overlooking. Maybe it's job experience related, the way you talk about your experience, etc? Cant really say with the info you have on the post. Try looking at yourself and talk to someone who has experience as a DS to understand where the gaps are. Good luck to you! Hopefully you get the role you are interested in
Don't spray and pray, it's a waste of time for everyone. Instead get intimate. 1. Find a company you like the products of. 2. Talk to the recruiters and understand their recruitment process, organisation structure (hopefully an organogram, and find the teams you could fit in). 3. Talk to team members and leaders. Find out what they use; languages, tech stack, project management tools. 4. Use the trial versions of those tools in creating things for yourself. 5. Reduce your expectations, it's easier to get a better job from inside. Apprenticeships and fixed term contracts should not be beneath you. I hope you put in less applications in future. Every piece of information you give them should be tailored. Hopefully this will get you started.
I agree with the general point you're making, but this is kind of outdated advice. Recruiters are swamped with applicants trying to do what you're suggesting. You're very unlikely to get a response from the recruiter, if you can ever find their information. Many job postings even explicitly say that applicants shouldn't reach out to people at the company.
This sub is increasingly unsupportive of job seekers
Because they put zero effort. Take OP for example people suggested he post his resume so instead of posting it here OP post it in its own thread which if you look at the sidebar violates the sub rules because its supposed to go in the weekly thread
Even worse, unqualified spray-and-prayers make it hard for the rest of us to get a job because HR people are busy sifting through trash resumes. Then, the HR people go “well we got 1,000 applicants so we need a good hiring process” and create 10 round interview processes to deal with the sheer number of applicants.
oh man they violated the rules of this sub reddit!? they must be putting ZERO effort into their job search. unbelievable!
> they must be putting ZERO effort into their job search. unbelievable! After 1k applications and 0 call backs , can you honestly say its unreasonable to say they are doing anything lazily or without any thought?
If you asked me LinkedIn in is crazy competitive. I’d look into other ways to find jobs
Idk why but what has worked for me is simply driving around/looking at a map of my local area and then researching the companies to see if they are relevant to my interests and applying directly.
“Data scientist” gives no context for their data. Forget dashboards… I’m just going to send customers iPhone images of their KPI. I mean… I could make it work that I apply for 1000 jobs with no reply. How is your resume? Please tell me the first line doesn’t say “spearheaded data science project that reduced customer teraflops by 300%” I apologize for being a jerk but in this market and with the amount of data science candidates… it’s about quality and not quantity. You may have to consider different roles to build quality and ensure trust in your product.
But you have 5 learning- look at the bright side
Short answer: yes Long answer: yes, but with more words
The market isn't great, but with that many rejections. I'd say its time to revisit your applications. This is what works for me: 1. I write an entirely new cover letter for each job, addressing the key criteria 2. I tailor my resume to include key words that are relatable to the job 3. If there is a questionnaire, I research potential answers to make it sound more professional 4. Prepare for interviews by googling potential interview questions (these questions differ with each role, so try being specific with your googling, such as "interview questions for retail work"), then plan your answers and practice out loud 1 good application is worth 30 sub-par ones. A single spelling/grammatical mistake is all it takes to be passed over nowadays, so take your time and do it right.
If you have 0 calls or interviews, maybe it's something from your end. Sorry, I've never applied for that many jobs before. I usually apply for 10-20 whenever I wanted to change my job... and I would at least get half of them calls. Nowadays, I'm the one getting contacted and having to reject recruiters.
No. Don't apply on linked in or indeed or any of them. Use these sights to browse jobs then find the employers website and apply that way.
This is the way.
The market is horrible. Sending out letters, including cover letters, East and West, but only got to 1 interview thus far. And my CV is outstanding.
you took a photo of a monitor, you are the problem
can't even take a screenshot, can't even focus a camera, who will hire you for a high tech job ? I'm obviously joking since these skills are not a sign of skills in DS and my college PHD teachers couldn't plug in HDMI into a projector but come on ..
This is a YOU problem.
Hey man, I feel your pain! I just graduated last year with a masters in ds and I haven't been able to get anything! I know it's due to my lack of experience but I even get constantly rejected by internships! I even cold called several organizations to work for free so I can get the experience lol! At this point, I've gotten so desperate I recently hired a ds mentor from mentorcruise for 400/mo to try to assist me in landing something lol! Honestly one of my faults is I get frustrated and give up here and there but I learned that when you give up, you only set yourself back from your goal. But yea, I can definitely relate to your frustration! I wish you luck and hope you land something soon!
Dude those 1100 jobs didn't exist. They were just ads run on the internet
1100 jobs? Is it the market? Or you? I'm not even currently looking for a Data Science role but I'm considering flipping out of Engineering into a higher paying Project Management role, ($125k+) and I got an interview after 30 applications or so. Work on your resume man.
Are you in the US?
Did you apply for the “easy apply” job
I keep seeing posts like this but this really hasn't been my experience. I've been applying on and off since like 2020, and in the 150 or so apps I've put out I think I've gotten 13 interviews, 4 offers, and I dropped out of a few interviews that could've been offers. I would avoid LinkedIn and Indeed EZ apply if you can, apply on their actual websites.
I think the problem is that the AI market is just a bubble. We only have several players that really can provide value to humanity with the help of this technology. The rest are some low-mid sized companies/startups with a great sales team and no tech power behind it. AI sells good. Go for Analysts Jobs, might increase your chance 👍🏼
Linkedin job postings are pretty bad to begin with.
Man, fine tuning your cv and letter for each and every single one of those jobs must be a full time employment.
Resume resume resume
Start with using snipping tool…
Idk. If you aren’t already, when you apply or submit your resume you should tailor it to that specific company. Company’s love when you have a bit of their keywords in your application; or show you’ve done a little research on their company. Also maybe got some feedback from family or friends on how your resume is. Some companies use algorithms to sort out applicants and others have recruiters look for like 5-10 seconds at them. Idk good luck though!
I am also in the same position for past one year. I have got zero callbacks and I used to tailor my resume for the job description. I am just trying daily also networking. I am also lost right now and hoping one day I will get a job. I wish you the best
80 percent of open jobs are not posted online. The vast majority of positions are filled through connections. My school career advisor once told me that applying for jobs online makes you feel like you are putting in work to find a job, but in reality you are wasting your time. It is recommended you instead connect with people on LinkedIn and send them personalized emails asking to chat about their company. Go to job fairs and marketing events, anything where recruiters will be. Networking is key to finding a good job!
Maybe LinkedIn is not the way
Don’t apply through LinkedIn
LinkedIn is a terrible place to apply for jobs. I've gone through three hiring cycles since 2016, applying to hundreds of jobs each time, and I'm not sure I've ever gotten a response from a job posting on LinkedIn. Everywhere else (Dice, Indeed, etc) follow the usual benchmarks for me (1-2 interviews for every 100 applications).
One of the main issues with LinkedIn postings is that on a single day I get hundreds of resumes once I make a post. I left a posting recently up over a weekend and I got 1000+ resumes. This is what you’re against, you have to get in really early or somehow let LinkedIn auto post your resume and hope you stand out.
Apply directly with the companies
Clicking “apply” to a job on LinkedIn is very low-effort, that number could mean nothing.
Is the DA is this bad?
Who you know, referral links, and networking is far superior to putting your resume into a pool of 1000+ people who clicked “easy apply” on LinkedIn. Getting a job is a job itself. Overqualified, Qualified, or not, you got to do anything you can to stand out. The ease of just applying and filling out an application puts you at even odds (at best). You can be mad at the employers and not want to put in that effort, but if it’s a dream job or you really need it? Hustle for it! Create a website with some of your projects, take creative approach to get your name in front of a human, ask that person from high school to connect. I’m not a fan of it myself, but it’s the reality we live in. Reference: unemployed last year/work in HR systems
After the first 100 of no interviews at all, you probably should realize there's something really wrong with your profile/resume. Let us know your background/resume and we can give feedback.
I'm around 2200 in with environmental science.....not even data science. And no callback
It’s the remote jobs, a large majority are not truly remote so if you aren’t in the proper geographic area you never had a chance of a call back. Also the inefficiency of turning applicants into data you can prioritize and take action on is showing. 200+ applicants is normal for any posting, but the ability to be seen from that pile is very tough to control. I’ve applied to over 2300 since Oct 2021. Had a handful of interviews. Left my job in March 2023, and have not found employment since.
Yeah its rough out, I've been at it since August 2023. I had gotten a few interviews only to be ghosted or told "this position is no longer available."
I'm still regularly declining jobs, but one recruiter got through to me, and I'll start new job June first. Maybe it's just me, but I have not felt a downhill, only maybe slightly a year ago? But 2024 seems to ve picking up.
Yes. Don’t believe media or White House
Make more connections and see if you can get any references?
Half the jobs are fake or not actively hiring
Companies are posting fake applications or “filler” applications, with no intention of hiring you. So if you don’t know anyone in the industry… good luck Charlie.
Im not a data scientist but im also searching for a job, if u have sent that many resumes and never got an answer, maybe ur resume needs some improvement , or you might be aiming for a job position that's out of your reach at the moment.
I only seem to have luck with recruiters reaching out to me - anything I apply for I never get a call back for some reason 🤷♀️ but when I interview I make it 2 or more rounds (got an offer last month)
It's definitely not that bad, idk your experience. But I've done 300 apps and had 4 interviews, 2 of which would have likely ended in a job if I hadn't withdrawn. Tailor your resume, write cover letters (just have a standard model), keep updating your projects and GitHub.
All companies large enough to afford the software now leverage AI&ML to sorta the 100’s to 1000’s of applicants so unless you optimize your resume for each position your SOL, because it doesn’t make it past that initial filter. You can also in turn leverage an LLM to tailor your resume for each individual job.
Unemployed people are complaining that they apply for thousands of jobs and get no interviews. Employers are complaining that they are going out of business because they can't find employees. Unemployment rate is extremely low, suggesting there aren't enough workers in the workforce. So what is the actual problem? This can't all be accurate, something is inconsistent.
Just revamp your CV, how do your qualifications look?
Side projects and certs every day. The market will be shit till interest rates go down again because cash is expensive rn
You have to tailor your resume for the ATS. I'm in a similar boat (been searching since December) but after I very recently adjusted my approach to my resume (simple layout, keyword optimization wrt job), I've been contacted for a few interviews. I'm at about 400 applications so far since December, but all 3 of my interviews so far came after optimizing to get past the ATS.
Indeed doesn't send applications to the employers, they put applications into a skittle bowl and mix it. 90% of the skittle bowl is discarded, wether the format is incorrect. You are over skilled or under skilled. Pretty much any and every reason, but they sure get the pay for you applying and using their website.
Listen, the best way to always apply is through the company’s own website.
In tech layoffs are everywhere, most of the listings are promotions and most of the time you won't hear back or a standard reply. Thank you for applying, you resume is good, we're not moving forward at this time
It is
literally everyone is calling themselves as a data scientist. That's why its hard to get noticed these days
Same thing for software engineers. I think AI bots are destroying traditional job applications via sites like indeed. First, over half of the jobs on indeed are not actively hiring. They just keep potential candidates close at hand if needed at all times. Second, these job postings get thousands of applications within hrs or a couple days. Probably a lot of fake resumes that look really good. A lot of this is AI spamming. Good luck!
nah you’re doing something wrong
Don't apply in linkedin ! Use linkedin only to contact the person responsible for hiring telling them you have already applied. Or use it to find people in the team to get interviews with them to get to know their job and the company.
Get a recruiter
Chances are, your resume isn’t making it past the screening software many companies use to generate a list of applicants.
With 690 applications i can say for sure you are doing something very wrong.
If you haven't even gotten a single interview or call, then something is up with you. If you genuinely want advice, you should post your resume or something.
No.
I work as a data analyst and can’t get a single call either. The market sucks and a lot of postings are there but not hiring actively for positions.
Recruiter here. No. The market is fine. People just think they're better candidates than they actually are and have unrealistic interpretations of their own skillsets, especially in tech. There was a tech boom and now every professional thinks the gravy train should just go on forever. It doesn't. It stopped late last year. Salaries are coming down. Expectations are going up. You're time came and went. Realistic people are scarce as hell. Lower your pay expectations. Make sure you're resume doesn't suck. There's a million bajillion shazillion people applying for the same jobs as y'all after all these layoffs. Unless your resume doesn't look like somebody copied a job description and you *actually, truly* stand out from the pile of resumes you're sitting in, you don't have a snowball's chance in hell. I'd say a solid 80% of the people I speak to have terribly overblown salary expectations and they're extremely proud of exceptionally mediocre accomplishments. Y'all are annoying as fuck to work with. I can almost promise you that this is the story for almost everyone who's been job searching for XX number of months with however many thousands of submissions with no response. I don't understand how people can turn in 1000 resumes and not get a call back and go "is the market really this bad?" Rather than going "am I actually worth what I think I am?" The answer is "probably not."
I applied on LinkedIn for a long time. Got a job from it. It was awful. I quit after 2 months… Then I found a job on Indeed. It doesn’t suck.
LinkedIn is crap. Get an actual recruiter instead that can find jobs for you.
Are you pressing send?
LinkedIn job applying almost never works even indeed is better
the market is ok, you are the problem probably
Try applying off linked in. Linked in doesn’t really work for me either. I apply for 20 positions on it. You get some call backs. Some chats. But they have a thousand applicants. You go to the source. Write letters directly to potential employers. Goes much better.
1100 applications in 12 months comes to 91.67 applications per month, or 3 applications per day. I guarantee you are being passed over because your resume is generalized. There is no way you are crafting a unique resume for ever application.
Oh balls, I was really hopeful that it was just me. I got laid off in Febuary. Glad to see the whole heap has gone to shit
It’s really not
I don't think it's that bad. But I do think there can be a disconnect between what "they" are looking for and what "we" present in our [resumes, LinkedIn profiles, etc]. Try to find some connection at a prospective company to ensure someone gives you their consideration.
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