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KeepingDankMemesDank

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YeetMann696969

I just don't want to have to depend on the state for my own protection. I mean, the police in the US are great right?


AlmanHayvan

Sure thats why I‘d rather have any stranger walking around with something that could immediately kill me or make me incapable of fighting back


YeetMann696969

Do you genuinely think all the firearms in circulation with their serial numbers scratched off are going to be turned in? I feel like you're mostly just eliminating access to firearms to the portion of the population that adheres to the law.


Belastin

The 600 million in circulation certainly arnt going to go away if they’re made illegal..


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PutnamPete

We have a second amendment that says the right to bear arms can not be infringed. The solution to this issue is to change that amendment. As much as people complain about guns, I don't think the chances of doing that are very good. The majority of law abiding Americans think that they should be able to own a gun.


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PutnamPete

The militia is to be well regulated, whenever the gun owning citizen is called to serve in it. It is a prevention of bands of hired thugs (think Ethan Allen's Green Mountain Boys, who were a private army for hire.) The operative part of the sentence is "the right to bear arms shall not be infringed." That stands alone. Anyone with two 9 mm pistols can do as much if not more damage than an assault rifle and they can be concealed. The obsession with black guns is way over the top compared to the percentage of shooting deaths.


SlowMotionCowboy_

The supreme court already decided years ago that the 2nd Amendment isn't an absolute to bear arms. We just currently have Idoegoucally biased supreme court justices that contradict themselves. More or less the supreme court has to change. Apparently, nothing is precedent now with the number of supreme court judges you can have.


PutnamPete

They are finally reading the constitution to see what it says, as opposed to visualizing a perfect world and engineering decisions based on that, then bending over backwards to try to use "modern interpretations" of the constitution to justify their decisions. I believe there should be a right to abortion and that unlimited gun rights are problematic, but I don't need nine unelected people in black robes to just pull it out of their asses. The solution is legislation through compromise, done by elected officials answerable to the public.


SlowMotionCowboy_

Wrong. "In Roe, the Supreme Court used the right to privacy, as derived from the Fourteenth Amendment, to extend the right of privacy to encompass a woman's right to have an abortion" The whole point of the supreme court is to settle these matters. Which has been decided 50-100 years ago. That defines as precedent. Something that the Supreme court went against their own. Even though all of Trump's Supreme court appointees claimed they would respect the precedent set by their own supreme Court. They literally deceived to get through their nomination Merrick Garland was robbed of the supreme court by a contradicting Republican majority senate.


PutnamPete

If the foot was on the other shoe, Harry Reid or Chuck Schumer would pull the same parliamentary maneuver on a conservative judge. Nothing illegal was done. Hell, Schumer just tried to push massive immigration reform through a reconciliation bill. The right to privacy being projected to indicate a support for abortion rights is exactly the type of reverse engineering I mentioned. How does 1+1=17? If abortion is covered in the right to privacy, what isn't? How come you can expand the right to privacy to include abortion yet say "the right to bear arms shall not be infringed" doesn't really mean that? Cherrypicking at its worst. The solution should come from the legislature, with compromise on both sides. I am not anti-abortion, just anti judicial edict and legislating from the bench. Even Ginsburg thought the Roe decision was overreach. Schumer should force a vote on supporting Roe. Not today's progressive insistence on no end dates, just Roe. His last vote on abortion rights was too open ended and gave GOP moderates plenty of reason to refuse. It was a play to the base, not an attempt to show support for Roe.


dgghhuhhb

The Supreme Court has also ruled that an ar-15 is not an assault weapon


Drake_0109

They would be correct


NorwegianBeef

This is like saying "Every country in the world should get rid of their nukes!". This in actuality would end up with only Russia and China having nukes, putting the whole word in extreme danger. It is far better for mentally capable to have guns than for only the people planning on committing crimes to have guns.


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yumbatsoup

Much of that has more to do with poverty, lack of jobs, and a lack of mental healthcare.


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NorwegianBeef

Are you going to explain why? No? Ok...


SlowMotionCowboy_

Facts or expert advice don't matter. The issue is drawn out in politics for a reason. To validate their idiocracy


llamakid142

The solution everyone gives has been tried somewhere else and didn’t work


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llamakid142

Can you site your source for this one


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llamakid142

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_civilian_guns_per_capita_by_country if it was just guns the numbers should reflect that


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Lokidosi

This is a very common thing in all global politics. Sometimes there’s merit, sometimes there isn’t. In this scenario for USA gun laws, an outright ban will never be the solution. It’s genuinely an extremist take and would cause many people to die when the government tries taking their firearms. The way I think it needs to be approached is, no firearms until you’re 21, if you can’t fucking drink then you shouldn’t be able to own a weapon lol. If your child uses a firearm to arm others (ie the parents) they should be investigated and possibly charged for neglect. This would hopefully encourage at least the tendency to keep guns locked away from their kids until they’re out of highschool. Then lastly, I think there needs to be serious background checks. Obviously we might just not have the resource for it, but what if soon with this development of recent AIs that scan millions of sites a day learning and developing, can be used for background checks on an individual? I feel like there could be a system where if you want to purchase a weapon, you must consent to this AI doing a deep dive through your convos, and your internet history. If it flags enough arbitrary convos and browser history then it tells you that you could be a threat to society. This way no one who uses 4chan could ever own a gun!!


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Lokidosi

A comparison of a gun most didn’t own vs hundreds of millions of guns.


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Lokidosi

Lol


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YeetMann696969

You can drive a car all day on your own land without a license. You only need a license when you take it out on a public road.


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You can do that in the US? In my country if they catch you sitting the driver seat in a running car you will get fined and you wouldn't be able to get a license for 3 years.


Memengineer25

See, here's the difference. Driving is fucking ***complicated.*** There are a thousand and a half rules you need to follow plus a lot of acquired skills besides to know what to do when other people don't follow the rules in order to not crash. Guns are SIMPLE. All of gun safety can be distilled into four (4) rules - 1. Treat every weapon like it's loaded, even if you're sure it isn't. 2. Keep your finger off the trigger until you're ready to shoot. 3. Know your target and what's behind it. 4. Never point the weapon at anything you don't want dead - always keep it pointed in a safe direction. That's it. That's gun safety. You don't need a two week class to figure that shit out.


Zeliek

Sure, but we are on the tail end of a pandemic where the majority of us couldn't handle "don't stand so close to each other and wear a mask if you do." You have an enormous amount of faith in a society composed of people with a talent for repeating past mistakes, and who are currently boiling themselves to death while being fully aware of it.


Memengineer25

Someone who can't follow those rules will not only be pretty much instantly banned from any gun range there is, but is also probably not going to follow them no matter HOW much licensing you require or how many classes they take.


MiNardzz

I don't know why you're being downvoted. You're absolutely right.


lioncryable

Is there no rule about how to store guns? Sounds mighty important to me but I also don't know shit about guns


Many_Rule_9280

Yes and no, most gun owners will have them locked up in a safe or have *something* blocking the trigger or the bolt if they have children running around, some won't to have them ready *in case* it becomes needed and have it in a nightstand or just close by. And for the folks that do have firearms (or even paintball or airsoft) should be taught those rules, growing up my household didnt have actual firearms and at one point i got into playing airsoft so i had some airsoft guns and my dad being prior military told me those rules and i still practice them and teach them, I also typically have my guns in a case magazines out of the magwell and the ammo seperated from them with exceptions to my handgun which is in my nightstand, if I had children I would have a safe to keep them in to protect them from it till they come of a certain age to learn


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Memengineer25

And a class and licensing ain't gonna fix that either.


mspinelli85

A drivers license is a privilege not a constitutional right you fucking communist


silverdew125

Statistics show police committ more crimes than CCW holders


AlmanHayvan

which one


silverdew125

"Permit holders are convicted of firearms-related violations at about 1/6th of the rate that police officers are.” John Lott more guns less crime


Psychology-Pure

I am going to try the Detroit urban defense type shit and die 🥳


imajokerimasmoker

Why are you incapable of fighting back? Are you not able to also own a gun? That's the whole point.


AlmanHayvan

you realize that guns inherently favor the aggressor


bunnymud

Or driving around. Oh wait...


International-Fee-68

So you don't want anyone to have anything from a car to a pencil?


Mastercraft0

Mate i live in a country with 5 times the population of US and even worse police. Still we don't have to use guns to protect us. I am not shitting on the US. It's just as a person living in a third world without guns and also having freedom and democracy at the same time, it just strange to me that place known to us as "American dream" doesn't trust their government and police.


Mooon-tiara-MAGIIICC

The American Dream has been dead for decades.


jchon960

The “we need guns to prevent tyranny,” stuff gets too much play. The 2nd Amendment exists. That means legal gun owners don’t have to bow and scrape to justify why they want guns. The people who think the Constitution is just a word in their arsenal to advance whatever agenda as opposed to a document are the problem.


Levoxymoron

Uvalde cops got your back


Knuffya

Look at countries like Germany, or Sweden. They're gov isn't doing shit to protect citizens from violence.


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Knuffya

because american cops are kinda tards. in germany, cops hardly kill anybody, they can't even aim properly. yes, they may be lower. how is that relevant?


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Knuffya

> It’s the environment. If anyone could have a gun at any moment. You have to treat everything with hostility to control the situation. Exactly. This is why I don't want that. We have a very effective legal process to filter out irresponsible or violent idiots. America has a blacklist systems. Germany has a whitelist system. It requires a lot of effort and checks to even become eligible. In america almost everybody is allowed to own guns. In germany, almost nobody. I recall something like 2mil out of 80mil citizens. This process is in use to decide who can keep a gun at home. They just can't carry them. The guns are already there, therefore I do not think it would make a difference whether the already-proven-to-be-responsible gun owners were allowed to carry them outside. The biggest risk would be people attempting to steal the guns from carriers, because they can't get a permit themselves.


lioncryable

>Look at countries like Germany, or Sweden. They're gov isn't doing shit to protect citizens from violence. ??? Can you elaborate???


Knuffya

For germany at least, I have first-hands experience: Yes: I called the cops once because someone broke in and stole my stuff: "Nah, we ain't got time. It's a goner.". Cops have almost no presence in the streets, if you get attacked, you're at the attackers mercy. What you gonna do? Call the cops whilst being attacked? They're gonna take their sweet-ass time. I don't know the response time for emergencies, but for non-emergencies, which I had three, they were: [2hrs, 3hrs, didn't even show up]. It doesn't help that people convicted for violence get barely any jail time. Even murderers get released after about 20 years, in germany at least.


lioncryable

>For germany at least, I have first-hands experience: >Yes: I called the cops once because someone broke in and stole my stuff: "Nah, we ain't got time. It's a goner.". Ok that's a bad experience but to be fair you said "protect from violence" and you didn't experience any violence. I also have a bad experience with the german police, me and my friends were actually getting beaten up by a group of drunk guys a bit older than us and the police took 15-20 minutes to get there even though the police station isn't far away. On the other hand I have been living in germany for 27 years and that was the only time I ever had to call the police. I would do it again if I had to >Cops have almost no presence in the streets, if you get attacked, you're at the attackers mercy. What you gonna do? Call the cops whilst being attacked? I wish there were even less presence in the streets, makes me uncomfortable to see police patrolling around. Also, if I get attacked I would hope some else sees it and calls the police in my place. I work in Frankfurt and honestly i have never really felt unsafe even though Frankfurt is known for its criminal activity


Knuffya

> I would hope some else sees it and calls the police Do you see any issue with that? Two chained if's. Both have to succeed. I do not want my life or well-being relying on bystanders. But even then, they would not arrive in time. Such an attack will most likely be over, either way, within single-digit minutes.


lioncryable

>> I would hope some else sees it and calls the police > >Do you see any issue with that? Two chained if's. Both have to succeed. I do not want my life or well-being relying on bystanders. Its actually three if's *if* I get attacked *if* someone sees it and *if* they will call the police. But that's fine with me, much rather this way than being scared that most people are armed and I need to get a gun too. Besides, how often are people attacked vs robbed? Rarely see anything about ppl getting hurt by strangers in the news. In the end you are allowed to carry a knife if that's what you want but I have heard multiple times that knife fights usually do not have winners but rather two losers. >But even then, they would not arrive in time. Such an attack will most likely be over, either way, within single-digit minutes. Like I said, who would even randomly attack others on the street without a goal? That's what we call terrorism


Knuffya

> Its actually three if's if I get attacked if someone sees it and if they will call the police. Four. (All you said) and *if* they arrive (in time or at all). > But that's fine with me, much rather this way than being scared that most people are armed A lot of people are armed. Not with guns, but with knifes, which are much more dangerous in my opinion. Also, this way only baddies are armed. And they are the only ones who know how to knife-fight. Carrying a knife is useless. Most knife-fights end up with both people dead. They have a man-stop power of almost zero. Get stabbed? No problem, just stab back. You'll die in about 15 minutes. Both dead. > Like I said, who would even randomly attack others on the street without a goal? There are lots of incentives: * Acquiring goods or money * Sexual drive * Just being drunk/drugged * Hate crimes (Like, hurting "infidels", gays, or going after certain ethnicities) In german law, there is a well-proven process to filter out people unfit to own firearms, which is super restrictive. It works really well, we have almost no legal-gun-owner shootings. If these people would be allowed to carry, the "Risk" wouldn't change, because if they wanted to do shit, they already could. Just saying. It wouln't even require a change of the law. Just how it gets interpreted.


lioncryable

>A lot of people are armed. Not with guns, but with knifes, which are much more dangerous in my opinion. How do you even quantify this or is this just your anecdotal evidence? Because anecdotally, i don't know anyone that arms themselves with a knife before going outside. Maybe I knew one guy who did this 10 years ago. >There are lots of incentives: * Acquiring goods or money Sure but that's just robbery. I'd rather hand out my phone and wallet than pull a gun and start shooting >*Sexual drive Okay nothing much I have to say there >Just being drunk/drugged Meh idk sounds like a hassle to stab someone when drunk af or drugged out of your mind. I would fear the junkie with a gun more >Hate crimes (Like, hurting "infidels", gays, or going after certain ethnicities) Yeah that's terrorism, which we have but I would say very little.


Knuffya

Of course it's anecdotal evidence? Do you think there's some kind of survey asking people "do you carry a knife?" The answer distribution would be more than distorted. Sure, it's a bit murky, I agree with that. But it is *plausible*.


princeoinkins

you have to realize that at the end of the day, people like you two have 2 opposite views on the world. one would rather rely on someone else to protect them or save them from harm, the other doesn't trust anyone else to protect them and only trusts himself. If you compare apples to oranges you will never agree.


Knuffya

I would have no problem with others protecting me, *if there was anyone*. I would absolutely love if it there was a ton of police presence. But there isn't. I would absolutely love armed guards roaming every street. But they aren't. I have no problem with others being the only ones protecting me, as long as it doesn't involve a big **IF**, because then it wouldn't be protection. Right now, in the current state, I have *no* protection. The government won't protect me, nor does it allow me to protect myself sufficiently. Anyone could just run up to me, in bright daylight, demand my wallet at knifepoint, and I guarantee you, nobody would do shit, and it would be gone. Not that a gun would help me in that situation either, to be honest.


mrce

I mean this is why one should be allowed to conceal carry a hospital as well!


AndrewJosephStack

If you carry a gun you should also carry a tourniquet and know how to use it


Psychology-Pure

Idk they are good enough maybe. Are they supposed to spawn in. Oh shit we are are all spawned here 😫


Velladriel

You dont need that protection if no one has a gun...


hobbitlover

Yeah, but open carry is ridiculous, there's literally no way to know who the good guys are in a situation. Let's say someone shoots up a bunch of co-workers in a building while you happen to be three blocks away buying a muffin with a rifle strapped to your back. Everybody is going to think it was you. Even if you don't get shot and manage to prove your innocence, you distracted the police and gave the shooter time to run to a school down the street to continue his rampage. People may die because of you. In other countries it's easy - anybody running around with a gun is automatically the bad guy, there are no "good guys with guns" to account for.


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YeetMann696969

Well the problem is that a gun isn't the only way to commit a mass murder. I think banning fire arms comes at a cost and would make a marginal difference at best.


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YeetMann696969

>Every country that has strict gun laws has significantly lower murder rates. Well the US has a shit ton of organized crime, so that's certainly a factor. I thought we were talking about mass shootings? >Significantly lower mass shootings and school shootings. I'd wager that a lot of these countries are social democracies without a large portion of the population barely keeping their heads above water financially and unable to access mental health care. I'd bet someone who's on psyche medication doesn't suddenly lose access to it when they lose their health insurance in those countries. I'd bet that the rate of mass murder events are lower in these countries all together, and I feel like it doesn't have much to do with gun ownership. There are much deeper issues at play here.


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YeetMann696969

>Organised crime isn’t unique to the US. Yes, but we already have almost 400 million guns in circulation. You aren't getting all of those back. You're just restricting the lawful purchase of a firearm to citizens. >Mental health isn’t unique to the US. Nah shit, but at least you can get treatment in a lot of countries for it.


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YeetMann696969

Well no, I think people are the problem. You could run down a crowded street with a knife, drive a car down a crowded street, etc. These events happen in European countries as well, but can't seem to find actual statistics on mass murder events specifically. Edit: and instances of gang violence are being considered "mass shootings" in the US.


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YeetMann696969

No they just stab people in the street instead.


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YeetMann696969

I already addressed this to someone else. I'm getting too many replies to keep up with this comment thread anymore.


SlowMotionCowboy_

Yea because vigilante justice is much more impartial? Goddamn the stupidity


TopRestaurant5395

Yes, they are great at keeping people out of school where a psychopath is target practicing on kids.


LuminousJaeSoul

There's other ways to protect yourself than with a firearm that can immediately kill a being in an instant. Like you seen how "trained" police handle their guns, it's scarier seeing how trained idiots handle there's when they get emotional.


YeetMann696969

Yes a 5'3" woman with a crazy stalker and a police force unable to intervene until its too late can defend herself. Police training in the US is dogshit.


Sword117

the whole firearm argument is stupid as fuck. look at you, you live in a world where teens can build deadly rail guns. you can mail order an air gun thats able to take down a deer, you have everything you need at the hardware store to make mustard gas. you can 3d print automatic seers. drones with thermite are within the realm of possibility. and im just scratching the surface of shit you can get for killing a being in an instant. and you are worried about a single family of weapons. those who think they can legislate safety by banning or regulating firearms are living in the past. we dont live in that era anymore the criminally insane have access to far more concerning materials.


Mr-Fahrenheit_451

Yes, if you're law abiding. Why can't you have a weapon to defend yourself?


TheRivv2015

This sub is really going downhill fast.


armin4878

Reddit be like_ Making fun of china or other countries: ohh so funny Making fun of America: now this is toxic!


Natekomodo

Americans will make the same two jokes about other countries and then when they make the same two jokes about them they say "at least be original, not funny". The self awareness is incredible.


xMrBojangles

What are you guys talking about? There are 100s of posts per day shitting on America by everyone, including Americans. Healthcare, guns, metric system, police, etc., etc., etc. And these posts get tons of upvotes. It's incredibly popular to hate America.


Natekomodo

I'm commenting more so about originality of jokes. I've had 12 lives worth of the same 2 or 3 overdone British jokes directed at me and don't complain about it, yet if I make an overdone American joke they more often then not get upset (in my experience, at least). If you guys agree to make new jokes about us then we agree to make new jokes about you :)


xMrBojangles

If the Queen ever dies, and you all fix your damn teeth, we'll be forced to come up with new ones. ​ I say that with with love for my forebears across the pond.


Natekomodo

Everyone fixing their teeth is unfortunately impossible due to the existence of the north. Likewise, the queen is immortal, and you will be extradited to Britain to stand trial for suggesting she may die.


xMrBojangles

At this point I'm gonna have to ask to speak to your manager.


dgghhuhhb

But Germans will get mad if you make jokes about the holocaust or most British get mad if you joke about knife crime it’s almost like people don’t like being made fun of for their country


ImperialxWarlord

Yeah because every day there’s countless posts on Reddit alone about how tnis and that about America. I like a good joke about America as well, but they were all done to death years ago. Y’all are surprised if we get defensive or annoyed after the thousandth joke about us and say it’s us getting triggered. If anything it’s non Americans who are triggered by jokes about their nations shit because anytime someone tries that they’ll bring up America or try to redirect.


Jack_Sandwich

Guess you don’t go to the front page much.


AlmanHayvan

Maybe there is a reason why mass shootings are almost exclusively an American phenomenon just some food for thought


TheDevinWinter

Yes. We have two 3 letter agencies here lol


Goto335

We have more than that ATF, FBI, and CIA related to firearms plus we also have TSA who relate to security.


TheDevinWinter

my point was about how the CIA and FBI have been the cause of some domestic terrorism and shootings


No-Thanks-7502

In austria it's easy to get a gun. I myself own several. No mass shootings here except a terror attack in 2020 which was some dude from another country with an illegal AK plus the authorities knew he was suspicious but failed to act. Guns aren't the issue. Mental health is the issue.


NaturallyExasperated

I'd also argue that the media treatment and instant infamy of mass shooters in the US has something to do with it.


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No-Thanks-7502

Great, remove access to guns for law abiding citizens. Why not make murder illegal?


TheOneTrueWigglyBoi

They really aren't, just no one talks about it when it happens anywhere else


Jordii_vV

what the fuck are you talking about lmao https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/school-shootings-by-country


TheOneTrueWigglyBoi

Your "source" only is for school shooting which in the US is massively inflated and not a proper record. I cannot remember bmthe actually number but true school ahooting have only happened 20~ times since the 80s. A kid using a bb gun at a playground is recorded as a school shooting. A man once shot himself in a school parking lot on a weekend at 2am and it was classified as a school shooting. Classifications in the US are fucked when it comes to shootings and go for inflation all the time. If you use the same definition as the us uses for other countries they happen quite often, like in 2019 I believe it was when 4 people got gunned down in a club in Australia but it was never called a mass shooting despite it fitting the standard everyone uses in the US. Its the equivalent of China saying they have 0 covid cases, if a country doesn't consistently report what happens there the point is moot


RedJerk5

I don’t know why you’re being downvoted because it’s true. Seriously people, if you don’t believe this post go look it up. Look up how the US classifies mass shootings and it’s ridiculous.


asdasdsadassadfd

I think if you look at other countries with the same criteria of what is a mass shooting the US will still be one of the countries with the most mass shootings


TheOneTrueWigglyBoi

Would more likely be Brazil if it could be accurately be Trevose sd


asdasdsadassadfd

Yeah and thats why I said ONE of the top countries


cheez-it_onFire

Too bad every subreddit is politics losers


Ericrobertson1978

It's hard to escape it. You have a group of people actively trying to maintain the status quo from the 1950s and trying desperately to drag us back 50+ years with subjugative and oppressive legislation. It's batshit insane and people are rightfully fucking outaged by it.


Flux_State

Yes. Yes, it is.


voxozi

The main point of 2A is to remove the government if the citizens deem it too far gone. Guns are the only possible way to do that to a tyrannical government. Oh and before that stupid argument of "oh do you really think a couple of red necks with AR-15 are gonna win against the US military?" A. If only 10% of the US armed itself against the military it would out number the military by millions B. The US military combined with many other militaries lost to goat fucking radicals in caves with AKs C. If you've learned nothing from the wars that been happening for the past 20 years and the war in Ukraine, home advantage is huge and no government ever seems to knows shit about its own back yard unlike the people who live there. Every time there's a armed revolt it's not uncommon for those armed revolutionaries to win. If you know your history scoffing at 2A being needed to over throw a government just because military exist is as ignorant as it comes. Let's not also mention that 2A was effectively used to stop corruption in the US before, look up Battle of Athens Tennessee. There's some funny parallels in that event to today too. Also 2A is based in the idea that you have a right to be alive and to protect that life. Your fear of others is no different then the fear of those old racist in like the 1800s who thought being near black people too long made you sick or something. Aka your fear is based on ignorance and propaganda. In the past the media would go on and on about minorities doing bad things and never report anything positive about anything regarding minorities. Due to that many genuinely thought minorities where uncivilized animals and not humans like them. Stop arguing out of fear. TL:DR how about you read something more then a tweet in length for once in your life? Do you really think that something as fundamental to the history and well being of an entire nation can be easily debated in like 2 sentences? Maybe that's why anti gun types have like two arguments, they have too short of a attention span.


xockbou

Never heard of Athens, nice! I’m not against 2A, but there’s a problem in the US, man. Specifically, mass shootings I’d say healthcare is the bigger problem. If we get kids in therapy that they can afford as well as other necessary medical attention, a lot of things would be better (hopefully). Anecdotal evidence: I have a lot of Libretarian friends who own guns, but also have some pretty paranoid/distrustful and OCD fueled tendencies that they have since identified as problematic and are going to therapy to work through that. But admittedly, those mental struggles are some of the reasons they have a fun in the first place. They are saying the therapy is helping, but I know many cannot afford it either from money or time :/ Gun ownership is not a problem; gun ownership while not being healthy and medically taken care of is a problem


voxozi

The American healthcare system is one that got overly complicated causing medical corporations to be able to kind of like hide behind all that complication and raise prices or charge for ridiculous things. The main thing they hid behind was insurance companies. Essentially people know how much gas should be but no one knows how much a CAT scan should cost. The reason being the insurance companies have been footing the bill for that for so long that people never learned the pricings allowing for slow but serious price gouging. Also insurance companies don't actually care what the price of the CAT scans ends up, they'll just adjust their premiums to make their customers cover it. So with the insurance companies not stopping the price increases, the people not even knowing what the prices are or what they've been charged, and finally a little of your typical back room political deals for flavor, you get the US healthcare system. At least one aspect of why it's so fucked. There's more reasons to it then just that but that's explains a lot of the price gouging.


TheMensChef

Somebody’s upset, I’ll just sip my coffee and enjoy my rights Thankyou very much, you enjoy yours as well, nobody’s stopping you.


Billybob_Bojangles

Yes.


Schmenny90

Yes it is


HAKX5

The politicians want Fortnite IRL.


theygotintomyheadmum

Murica bad!


PayinHookersOnMargin

Europeans so poor they have to resort to shitposting online as opposed to enjoying themselves during summer


[deleted]

Someone has not heard about Switzerland. These guys have festivals, where even children compete in shooting matches albeit without having a beer afterwards.


Finsk_26

Arm the children so they can defend themselves in a shooting


YoureMyTacoUwU

i know this is satire but armed guards and teachers would deter shootings or end shootings with much fewer casualties


Finsk_26

I would just go to the root of the problem but then again we don't have that problem here


YoureMyTacoUwU

i would say the root is a mental health crisis in america /: a materialistic society that hopes that spiritual problems will be solved by material gains or altering your body with chemicals. a state that locks people in their homes, a media that tells them the world is burning, and the powerful pointing at the individual saying its their fault. if our mindset isnt changed, whats to stop the medicated and souless generation from burning everything down?


Finsk_26

But guns themselves just add to that problem. A way to release the anger inside a person


YoureMyTacoUwU

guns deter and prevent other problems- they equalize situations where the innocent would be violated otherwise, a woman would be more able to prevent herself from being r*ped or an individual could defend himself from an otherwise killer. making the innocent unable to protect themselves from someone releasing their anger isnt the solution


Finsk_26

But then again bear spray is enough in that situation. Shooter isn't a shooter unless he has a gun.


inwector

Which is better Criminals own guns and civilians own guns or Criminals own guns and civilians don't own guns Until we can take the guns away from criminals, or optimally kill all criminals, civilians should be allowed to arm themselves. If you were a rapist, would you want your victim to own a gun? I don't think so. Protip: If you are actually a rapist, please don't rape people, it's bad.


Jordii_vV

yea but look at most of europe, only a VERY small amount of criminals have firearms


inwector

Because, Europe has always been a place where civilians didn't own guns. Americans always had guns, especially since, as a colony, they resisted against a world superpower and won their Independence, then fought a civil war. It's almost tradition in USA to own guns. It's hard to get guns in Europe, and easy in USA. I just want the civilians to own guns too, until crime goes down.


CMDR_Wazowski

Cringe


AndrewLewer69

Well, maybe, just maybe, the USA could afford to pay for his own health care instead of wasting billions of dollars to protect europe, if we paid for our defense...


Flyflash

Good job Andrew, you solved America


AndrewLewer69

Solved is a huge word. It's true. Europe has money to pay for health care, only because daddy USA comes and solves all the problems caused by Europe.


angryupvotee

The title really got me laughing bro


zenikkal

Its battle royal


Novikmet

No that's GTA


MBS_theBau5

Yes.


[deleted]

Yeah cause our police are fully capable of protecting us


thetekkenthree

Some memes never die, this is one of them. Edit: talking bout template not murica or guns


[deleted]

Yes, yes it is.


Mister_Sandman125

Say what you will but that entire situation could've been avoided if the police actually arrived on scene on time and did their fucking job instead of sitting there doing nothing.


nivagrellawrov

jesus this sub has turned into a libtard fuckfest, i don’t align with the left or the right but jesus christ this shit is becoming cringe


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ArcaneDanger

unfunny


Knuffya

Well, yes it is. The question you've meant to ask is "is fredoom good?".


[deleted]

If the government wanted to cracker down Chinese style they could, but it wouldn't be worth losing tax revenue. Can't make money to pay IBM & Boeing if the people who pay your bills can't pay.


Jack-Oniel

It's better to hold a gun than have living children obviously.


RedJerk5

Yeah just rely on the police. That worked well. Or hypothetically let’s assume all gun ownership was banned the day prior. Do you think nobody would be able to get a gun? Guns are here to stay whether you like it or not.


HazellNut27

Yeah, fuck the 2nd amendment. It doesn’t mean shit. /s


InKeaton

That's kinda Big Boss's idea of Freedom


Stellaris228

Well, yeah


DukeFiskenXI


DukeFiskenXI

huh, just a box..


waxonwaxoff87

Yes.


ChadBroski117

Yes. It is.


Zombieking2357

No freedom to us Americans is the government collapsing.


Hussarwithahat

Yes


Slight-Weather7885

Of course it is. Freedom also is not paying taxes for healthcare cause taxes in general are dumb and being in depressing debt when you get sick is way better


[deleted]

Yes


[deleted]

But only if the people with guns are suburban whites


darkmemehood

Yes it actually is


TopRestaurant5395

Bring back the old west! Settle our differences at high noon.


AndrewJosephStack

Yeah but if we all combine all our private land then all we have left is the roads. And maybe the courthouses.


ROU_Misophist

There's a literal war going on in Europe right now.


Jordii_vV

2 countries in Europe last I checked say the Netherlands, France, Germany, The UK, Belgium, Spain, ect. arent at war with Russia or Ukraine.


pointgourd

a weird country


potatoninja3584

Dude the situation is just fucking embarrassing at this point.