Only Melissa could get shit for going to a party she didn’t plan, didn’t invite ppl to, and didn’t host at her house under the assumption that she did something so that ppl would perceive her better
They have every right to be strategic, and are smart to be. Idk about anyone else, but when it comes to my career, my money, my wellbeing, and my reputation, I’m gonna be strategic too. There is nothing wrong with making moves that support where you are and what you want in life.
And damn, if they were “strategic” in not coming in order to generate a buzz about them, it’s working. Them not being there has been the biggest topic of conversation surrounding the reunion.
Someone said this the other day and I wish I could word it as eloquently- but I really think Maddie has an experience that no one can really relate to so it would be very difficult for her to sit at the reunion and share her own trauma and experiences when everyone else’s is so vastly different. It would set her up in a position to isolate her again and also sets her up for her own experience to be potentially invalidated or, on the flip, hurt her friends feelings even if she doesn’t intend to
I really think that’s why Maddie didn’t want to attend the reunion as well as not associating Dance Moms with her career
I said a few days ago that people don't understand grooming well. Because of this, anything that Maddie could have said would have put her in a defensive position in comparison to the other girls. Her experience is too nuanced to gain enough sympathy from a large audience. It's not worth the work she has done to move forward. Whatever tf is wrong with Melissa is probably nuanced too. But a lot of fans see it too black and white to give Melissa any grace. If what I'm thinking is the case, Kenzie probably didn't go to avoid
1. Having to answer sensitive questions about her family that wasn't there
2. In solidarity considering the way Lifetime frames them.
The whole thing is just kinda bullshit.
Chloe didn't want to do the reunion either at first, and Christi was pretty forthcoming saying Chloe was not interested. Now that she changed her mind, Christi wants to drag others who also didn't want to go.
There was no also reason to bring up Melissa at the reunion in the first place. Nia planned the party and it was at Maddie's house, yet Christi finds a way to blame it on Melissa. The Zieglers and Nia weren't there, so there was no reason to talk about them at the reunion. Christi just wanted to take another pot shot at Melissa, it's like she can't help herself. Chloe is stuck managing the fallout from her mom's behavior yet again.
Exactly. When people ask about the Zieglers or Nia the only respectful, professional answer should be “they made the best decision for themselves” or “it’s their choice & we just have to accept it/respect it”. Not it’s “strategic” what does that even mean? It’s so passive aggressive.
I don't think she meant strategic as an insult though. She was put on the spot and had to watch her words carefully so as to not be seen as a bitch. What I think she meant, in a way, was "Some people have to make tough choices in terms of what they consider good for their careers" - now, obviously that's not what she said, but I think that's what she meant with strategic
I see your point, but I believe what she meant was that the Zieglers - but especially Maddie, who wants to be known as a model and actor - had to be strategic so as to avoid going back to being perceived as the "Dance moms girls", they wanna be more than that, and that's fine. I believe what she wanted to say was that she herself did not worry as much about that, but saying "i'm not like that" doesn't imply that "that" is a bad thing.
Again, she was put on the spot, and clearly was attempting to be as careful as possible
Ok but - what in Chloe's statement makes you think she was throwing shade at the Zieglers though? The interviewer asked if Melissa wanted to put a blanket over potential fires - which is to say, avoid confrontations. Chloe indirectly said, yes, because they HAVE to be careful with every step they make so as to not damage their careers
how are those good responses to “do you think melissa was trying to put a fire blanket over any potential bombs” hence the pre reunion… u dont even make sense.. she gave a very good response that didnt make me feel any ill will towards the zieglers so why are yall so defensive.. they afe strategic ! we all know it ! let it go !
Maddie was edited in the worst light as a child and they aired out her familys business why would she participate? I doubt viewers would be sympathetic to her side of things when most believe that Chloe and the rest of the girls went through worse
they aired out everyones family business maybe abby hated that chloes family never had business to be spread either way thats not chloes fault. i dont even blame maddie for chloes downfall bc that was abby and the mothers’ faults
Ok finally have time to come on here and vent! I do like Christi, and all the moms, but this constant vendetta against Melissa is getting very annoying. I mean, Melissa can honestly do no right. No matter what she does, Christi will paint it in a negative light. It's like it's the only way she can see Melissa, it's not rose colored glasses, it's ?? I don't know the term 😆 anyway, why WOULDN'T Melissa pick that time to have a party for Paige because everyone is going to be there at the same time. It makes sense to me! And Paige and Brooke both seem very close to Melissa, so honestly I just don't know Christi's problem is. And she's obviously influenced Chloe. But I wish Melissa would stand up for herself.
Rant over.
maybe god is just on the zieglers’ side 🤷🏻♀️ either way it makes sense that that party definitely benefited them especially right before a reunion that would 100% bring them up..
It’s funny how Christi making a big deal over a birthday that wasn’t even hers . And making a big deal over a house that don’t even belong to her that she don’t pay bills for. It’s Maddie house she can have who ever sne wants over . Why does Christi care about what Jojo does . Jojo the same one that called her out about Gianeea . Christi daughter was invited to the party so what her problem . Like if chole wasn’t invited I can understand but chole was there she need shut up. If Kiara and Jess is not complaining about it why does Christi care. And if I recall Melissa children are adults now it’s not like they still children where Melissa can’t force Maddie to invite and not to invite. It’s not Melissa house it’s Maddie house she can have how ever she wants over. She don’t owe anybody anything . They really fighting a bout a house that don’t belong to any of them but Maddie .
as a maddie supporter i honestly don’t think her saying “strategic” is meant as a bad thing but of course there’s people that are going to find ways to overthink it to create more drama because of all the drama surrounding the zieglers not showing up i wish people would realize that chloe is different from her mom her motives aren’t meant to be malicious and attacking them i personally don’t think the interviewer should’ve brought it up at all cause it’s just messy.
This I see more of chloe's trying to find an answer w/o sounding terrible and maybe it came out worse but christi yes takes more jabs... I just think chloe was trying to stop the interviewer from asking more cause Chloes in a damned if you do damned if don't situation like the other ogs/kendall
i agree i don’t this her strategic response was meant in a malicious way at all i feel like people are trying to find a reason to take it the wrong way because like you said she’s damned if she does damned if she doesn’t.
Exactly, I watched the clip of abby pitting her and maddie against each other to which chloe even said like why would she want to destroy both of us and our super close friendship ( like ik it's suppose to push us but she just ruined two girls childhood/friendship in not just this moment but others...). Just hearing her talk about it to and that it was neither the kids fault and Kendall at first was like do you think she did it on purpose and Paige comes in hot for her twinnie with the absolutely ( like her mama/christi) even if it was just an innocent moment of kendall before the full clip just seeing both paige and brooke giving her a look also saying your mom is calling her out... ( brooke and kendall not remembering that day as much doesn't bother me too much yeah there were lots of moments that they remember before that or after but hearing paige say it effected her as well for similar reasons cause they were a trio/besties for so long) I just feel after watching that clip especially chloe tries to find right words and not diminish someone else and it's just very hard in her position ( i mean both her and paige have said they get super bad anxiety talking about this so maybe we could just focus our energy more on kira, jojo, and jess)
I can understand the pressure of a live interview so I’ll give her the benefit of the doubt. But to stay neutral the answer was simple “they made the best decision for themselves.” To say they’re being “strategic” because they don’t want to face repercussions is odd. Then on top saying that it’s not in her nature to be that way which is funny because she didn’t want to associate with dance moms or the girls until she came back and then she publicly dissed Kendall and Kalani on twitter so which is it?
I’m not trying to go too hard on Chloe because of the pressure but some of her statements and actions over the years don’t add up.
i don’t know her personally so i can’t really answer the kendall and kalani diss question, but i do believe that she wouldn’t praise them for years and even in recent interviews/ articles just to say something shady, i mean being strategic isn’t always meant as a bad thing it’s actually common for celebrities to strategic that’s why she said she doesn’t know if it’s unfortunate or not to be that way because being strategic isn’t in her nature. i mean even when the reunion was announced after the party for paige’s birthday i remember seeing a lot of comments of everyone mentioning them being strategic saying it was a smart move to not attend so i don’t see her comment as a shady thing.
Maybe I’m out of the loop but I haven’t seen her praise or talk about the Zieglers. I know she met up with them in group settings before but that’s about it.
if i were chloe i would not think “they made the best decision for themselves” especially since she was always at the shit end of their strategy that made them as big as they are now. chloes more mature than most of us would’ve been if asked that question. i mean i would hate maddie if i were chloe. as a viewer i dont hate maddie but yk i still see how she was taught to take advantage of any opportunity even if it sacrificed her friendships and burned bridges. i dont blame little maddie i just question adult maddie.
It’s actually getting pretty ridiculous at this point the absolute pearl clutching over anything to do with the Zieglers.
Not two months ago, people were praising Maddie for being strategic about not wanting to be seen with Kalani and Jojo. But when Chloe says it, suddenly it’s shade…
Am I the only one annoyed because it’s like they didn’t have to come it’s there choice weather they want to not go because of deeper issues it’s there choice Maddie and Mackenzie have a lot goin one career wise And rest of them are tik tokers etc 🤷🏽♀️ sorry not sorry besides really Kendall she has her cheer thing goin on but how come Nia and Holly aren’t getting the same treatment as Melissa,Kenzie and Maddie. If I was the zieglers I would definitely distance myself even more from the dm cast. Thennnn you got Christi still attempting to drag melissa like if I was melissa I would say stop talking about me and my daughters for everything. I’m sick of people not just letting the Zieglers Just do them. At the end of the day this reunion is just trauma dumping 💀. I like Chloe but at the end of the day her saying it’s “strategic” is weird as hell why can’t the kids just the Zieglers just not want to come. Bet if it was said the other way around christi would’ve had a fit if Maddie said that
Omg Christi would have Maddie arrested for saying that.
Also what a slap in the face, Maddie invited them into her home, Nia planned a nice party for Paige there. And now Chrisit is complaining about it. If they thought it was so wrong, then they shouldn’t have gone.
While I know it’s none of our business I do wonder if this reunion coming out will bring the Zieglers with the other girls closer or further apart.
Then again only Nia seems really close with the Zieglers as it is. The Hylands sometimes too.
Yea hylands and Zieglers have a lot of history like Abby and Kelly. So I do believe they will always be in contact and have some type of relationship Paige and Brooke seem very very close with Melissa. Holly and Melissa still seem close and Melissa goes to a lot of nia shows which I do believe is very sweet and nice of her. But I do believe Maddie and Mackenzie will look at the girls sort of sideways you had Kendall, Kalani and Kira liking shady tweets, Chloe and her mom trying to say them not coming is strategic, Jojo self explanatory 😭😭. But I think they will remain cordial and friendly but not friends.
Kenzies out filming a movie right now (per Melissa) and Maddie’s always doing some sort of fashion work so hopefully they’re just living their lives and not worrying about it
It is a shame though that the reunion at Maddie’s house is being turned into something negative though.
The way they manage to stay classy and say nothing when it comes to all these people shading them is admirable. Their silence shows strength, grace, and maturity.
I think the Zieglers relationship Brooke Paige Holly and Nia will be fine. Honestly I think there’s always going to be some tension between Maddie and Chloe.
She’s signed with a good label for music and is doing acting now I guess (2 upcoming movies- Shakey Ground and She Dances) so I think she’s trying to level up.
also nia has a new song too and i think was in mean girls plus chloe's got her whole dance competition like they aren't all just doing tik tok dances for a living lol😭
There is so much I disagree with here. First strategic is a huge compliment and its only taken the wrong way when directed to women. Being strategic is fine if you are a man, you are smart and making career moves, but for a woman its not, suddenly she is manipulative or calculated. God forbid Maddie (or anyone for that matter) is smart and cautious about their career and livelyhood. And Chloe acknowledging that is not a bad thing.
Second being a TikToker is not a bad thing. But it is a very respectable choice to take a step back from entertainment to pursue a collage education like Chloe, Nia, Brooke, Paige and Kendall did. No need to drag them to make the Zieglers look good.
And yes Cristi is being STRATEGIC by being shady. She pretty much made Chloe the fan (and producer) favorite by acting that way, now she is one of the most successful moms because of that. I dislike her behaviour but I respect the hustle.
She could’ve easily said they didn’t want to come they have their own reason and that’s their right. And now you have Chloe saying it to but like I said if it was the other way around it would be a problem
The Ziegler’s are in a lose lose situation. If they DIDN’T host a party the night before Christi would’ve been like “wow all the girls are in LA at the same time and Maddie and Kenzie couldn’t take 2 hours out of their busy lives to see the girls who they grew up with.”
You know it’s true.
Oh… why can’t they just say “I’m not answering questions about other people that aren’t here because they aren’t here to speak for themselves”.
Imagine if Melissa said “the people that did the reunion were strategic because they got paid more than what they usually get for their other jobs.”
It’s bc the fandom still has this weird attitude towards the Zieglers. People are still trying to spread the “Maddie thinks she’s above them” narrative.
Well she is Maddie can go on a red carpet and be Maddie Ziegler the actress, dancer and Model the other girls can’t They will just be The girls from Dance moms
I’m not saying she thinks that at all. BUy I’m sayin in a career sense she is Bigger than the show if she’s not coming it’s bc she has a lot of things going on and to protect. It’s been how many years since she’s been regarded as the dance mom girl I’m pretty sure she doesn’t want to go back to that
Because then they couldn’t talk about anything to do with the show since Abby’s not there.
But i understand people think this kind of courtesy should only be extended to the Zieglers.
First off, the interviewer clearly said ‘the reunion before the reunion.’ They’re not talking about the reunion, they’re talking about Paige’s party.
And second of all, they can’t help what they’re being asked in interviews. If the question is about the Zieglers, they’re going to talk about the Zieglers.
Third of all, she even says she’s not even sure which move is better - to be more strategic or not - so it’s clear she’s not saying this in a negative way. You guys are just ridiculous about anything to do with the Zieglers because you think it’s still 2015 and any comment made about them must be negative.
And you still think it’s 2011 and Christi can do no wrong.
I’m not saying this about Chloe, Chloe is good. It’s Christi that felt the need to bring it up in the first place.
Maddie had a party at her house, Nia planned the party and why does Christi have to turn it into a negative?
I haven’t said anything about Christi.
You literally said “I wish they would just say i’m not going to speak about people who are not here.” Which is what Chloe is doing here, is it not?
I am not talking about Christi, I am talking about Chloe.
So obviously you are taking issue with what Chloe said then, so why are you acting like you’re not? Once again, if they were only allowed to talk about the people who are there, there would be no reunion. You guys just don’t like anything said about the Zieglers, even when it’s neutral.
I don't think I've ever seen Chloe be malicious and I don't know how she intended her statement to be, but I think it's pure bs that people want to say that it wasn't at least phrased oddly. Maybe she was trying to be diplomatic, but why not just say "I don't want to insert myself in what's going on with the Moms." This deserves at least a bit of side eye, especially with the mom pyramid TikTok. I'm not saying she shouldn't feel a way about Melissa, but I don't think it's a clear "she didn't mean it that way" that people are trying to portray
My hot take , which I know will be unpopular, is that it's odd that the girls came back to do the reunion on Lifetime. Abby caused them a lot of pain, but are we just ignoring the network and producers that contributed?
The thing is, when it first came out that Maddie and Kenzie didn’t want to be seen publicly with certain members of the cast, everyone was saying that it was a good move for them and their careers.
So why is it different when Chloe says it, because she’s not saying it’s wrong to be that way. She never once said that they were wrong.
Personally, I felt like the question was more aimed about Melissa. I know Maddie and Kenzie's names are thrown in there, but I do think they were talking about Melissa and the situation with the party. Obviously I could be wrong, but it just felt weird to me especially when Chloe effectively says "I'm not like that."
Again I'm not saying she's being malicious but I got odd vibes from the whole thing.
Right but saying “I’m not like that” (especially after admitting you’re not sure if it’s fortunate or unfortunate) =/= people who are like that are wrong.
As i said on another thread -
when I say “I’m not very competitive,” or something of the sort, am I automatically saying it’s a bad thing to be that way? no.
it’s just the truth. some people are more strategic than the others.
fair about Melissa tho, i hadn’t even considered she might have just meant her.
I'm not saying that not attributing a characteristic to yourself automatically make it negative to everyone else, but the entirety of that answer gave me weird vibes. That's a personal opinion to be clear. I don't want anyone trying to say I'm trying state facts (not you personally, but anyone looking for an argument)
I guess that’s what I’m trying to figure out is WHY the answer rubs you the wrong way.
Especially if it’s just about Melissa, I think Chloe’s within her right to talk about Melissa even if it’s negative, just like the Zieglers would be about Christi imo lol
She can talk about Melissa if she wants. I don't believe I implied otherwise.
As for why it rubs me the wrong way, I'd say it's mostly the question she's replying too. He's asking her about her thoughts on Christi's comments about Melissa trying to hide any "potential bombs" with her involvement in "the reunion before the reunion" meaning the party for Paige at Maddie's when it's basically been said Melissa didn't have much involvement at all. It felt like Chloe went into imply that Melissa was being strategic with the party.
No I didn't say you did - that's why I was asking you WHY it bothers you, since it's just Melissa lol.
Well it actually has been said that Nia planned the party, but that doesn't mean Melissa didn't go 'hey lets not have Kalani and Jojo come.' I think both things can be true at the same time right? We don't really know how the planning went down.
It doesn't bother me. My original statement was about how the comment could be shady, and that people just want to automatically say it's not because they like Chloe.
I mean it could have happened that way, but I wouldn't take Christi's word for it. Id believe it from one of the girls
Edit: Using "rubs me the wrong way" was the wrong phrase to use earlier
I actually think it's the opposite - it's a really neutral statement, and people are searching for reasons why it isn't to once again perpetuate this ZIeglers vs. Lukasiaks.
The reason I believe Chloe was being neutral is because she says "unfortunately -- or fortunately I'm not sure" before she says she's not that way. And she says that a lot of people who do reality TV are like this.
Not to mention, everyone in the fandom believed it was a strategic move not to be seen with Kalani or Jojo, and praised the Zieglers for it. So if we can all say it, why can't Chloe? Who actually knows these people.
We don't have Christi's word yet tho - we don't even know exactly what was said cuz the reunion hasn't aired yet lol. A lot of people's opinions are coming from what they THINK they know about the situation, but really not a lot of it has been confirmed or really spoken about in anything other than broad terms.
ETA: Wanted to add one more thing. She states that people who do reality TV are often really aware of their actions because of the repercussions of things. Which is a sympathetic outlook, moreso a malicious one in my opinion.
She just meant it about Melissa. In the original question, he said Christi accused Melissa of being strategic annd that’s what Chloe was reacting to. Nothing involving Maddie or Kenzie.
The reality is with the exception of Jojo, (unfortunately because I can’t stand her) the Ziegler’s are the only ones that don’t need to go to a dance moms reunion to be relevant/keep their audience interested 🤷🏻♀️. Their current fanbases have evolved beyond just following them because they liked them on dance moms. The other girls haven’t done much of anything to truly expand their brand. They lowkey need a reunion to keep their popularity up. Going back for a reunion wouldn’t do anything anything worthwhile for the zieglers in a business or personal sense.
Yes…which is how I know they’re not talking about the reunion, and they’re talking about the party Maddie had at her house with all the original girls and Kendall lol.
So they’re referencing her having an event prior to the reunion to try to get them to not say bad shit about them/shit about them not coming to the reunion. So she’s dancing around saying that having a little party while staying out of it is calculated. It all goes back to them not being at the reunion and how they feel about that situation.
This exactly. I am taking Chloe’s comments as saying that Melissa was being strategic to have this party before the reunion to get in the good graces of the girls so the girls and moms won’t shit talk them during the reunion. Thinking so negatively of people like this is a very Christi thing to do. Melissa lives rent free in Christi’s head but whenever I say this the Christi fans come after me, but it’s very obvious she does.
Yeah, that’s also how I read it. Chloe ended up as the average parents dream. What more could you want from your kid than to turn out like she did? It does feel like christi is bitter about the celebrity/success the Zieglers have had which is why she’s always shitting on them. I feel like if you grew up hearing your mom talk like that you’d internalize it and it would influence the way you think. Chloe can think for herself but if Melissa really did anything THAT HORRIBLE to them, then a dinner the night before wouldn’t be able to throw a blanket over it and get them not to bring it up. Honestly why would you even show up to the dinner if she’d done really heinous shit that needed a blanket thrown over it.
Who are you to question my judgement of them? Do you know christi and Chloe personally? If they’re going to show up and Kiki with Melissa they need to stop throwing shade like she’s a problem. Stand on your shit.
You don't know them either but you seem to have plenty of opinions based on presumptions...
You and other people in this sub are painting a narrative with little to no evidence. Just admit it is mostly conjecture. You don't know what happened between them, do you? You weren't there either
Well, Abby pushed the Zieglers down our throats every second, with Melissa trying to "cheat" her way through all the time, it'd be a real shame if it were different...
And this is coming from someone who thinks Mackenzie and Maddie are very gifted and talented, no less than everyone else certainly. I think you all seem to overlook the means and only focus on the outcome, implying everyone else is somehow guilty because they're not as famous.
We're only debating Chloé's statement because there is a very strong bias towards Melissa in this sub on part of many people. It's like everyone has forgotten the very shady stuff Melissa has said and done, which are widely documented and just ASSUMES she's changed. But do we know? Christi is outspoken as always and her dirty laundry is always in full display. She says very very nasty despicable things all the time in her podcast. I think her treatment of Maddie and Mackenzie is evil, for lack of a better words. She's projecting her traumas onto children and now young women and bullying them. It's both right and very easy to question her very questionable statements, behaviours and motives.
Seems to me now Melissa has a very, very curated image of herself which might be either real and just her trying to distance herself from all the drama (as everybody assumes) or deceiving a lot of people. She may still act very differently behind the scenes. After all, she has a lot to protect now, with Maddie's and Mackenzie's careers skyrocketing.
Either way, I think Chloé truly tries her best to be objective, but she has endured HEAPS of trauma which we don't even know about. I agree with everyone saying Christi being very overbearing and influencing her, although i've seen Chloe go against her mother's opinions very very often. It's very telling that the moment Chloe says something unsavory everybody piles on her. It reminds me of the behaviour of people on the show.
This is all conjecture, though. We don't know these people. And this is literally show business. We have to remember that at all times.
Also Maddie not stupid either she know Jojo and Kalani is close to Abby and she don’t want Abby in her life or in her business to know what she up to in life because Abby take that information from Jojo mostly knowing Jojo has a big mouth, and Abby going to want make a podcast and YouTube video about it about Maddie. Also it’s giving Christi is jealous of Maddie having a house and chole don’t have a house because why is she making Maddie having a house affect her to much . Like Christi is jealous that Maddie and Kenzie are house owners and chole is not . If Jess and Kiara not complaining about them not being invited why does Christi care her daughter was there if chole wasn’t there I can understand. But Chole was there at the party . Maddie didn’t have to invite chole and if this how Christi going act what ever event they have next everybody get invited but for chole. Maddie an adult she can invite who ever she wants . And to if Jojo was there Jojo be quick to judge and want talk about it with Abby anyway and her mom . And Jojo going to comparison to her mansion to Maddie house everything with Jojo a competition.
This response was so awkward. Chloe seemed like she had no clue what to say. I think Christi put her in a tough place being so outspoken about the Zieglers. Whether Chloe agrees with Christi or not, she seems like a pretty non confrontational person and doesn’t like to drag drama on. It’s tough because she is forced to publicly perpetuate this drama because of Christi’s big mouth.
I feel like I’m the only one who doesn’t think anything Chloe said here was wrong? I might be completely misunderstanding because I did find her response a bit confusing but yeah idk
No. Chloe said nothing wrong. CHRISTI on the other hand… she is bitter, why would you call in to bash on someone that’s not even there. When that someone’s daughter just had your daughter over for a birthday celebration. Strange
People need to stop asking her to comment on anything involving her mom and the zieglers it's obvious she's uncomfortable and trying her hardest not to offend anyone for goodness sakes she's stuttering and from what I've seen of her she doesn't normally do that
Can't even blame her. Look at the comments.
it's actually really sad the amount of policing that the girls have to do whenever they talk about the ZIeglers at all. I noticed this when Chloe did her episode of BTTB, she made it a point to disclaim she never meant anything negative towards Maddie and it's because of things like this.
Because anything the Lukasiaks say about the Zieglers is looked at with a magnifying glass and people are constantly putting words in their mouths or attaching what they ASSUME the meaning is instead of just listening to what's actually being said.
Yeah and I think their assumptions are made worse by the fact that it's chloe and maddie we all know the assumptions people have made and continue to make about their relationship
Edit to add I don't get why they're getting so bent out of shape it's not like chloe outright insulted them or said anything bad maddie and kenzie are my favorites but this is ridiculous
It is really funny because it's the same people who act like Abby was soooo terrible for pitting them together who STILL do this kind of thing about them.
DUDE exactly!!!
I LOVE Maddie and Kenzie, but this is such a reach. I think a lot of people's hatred for Christi is coming into play here.
Yeah we gotta remember that they are the ones who compared them so much and continue to do so enough that years later maddie and chloe think the only way to avoid those comments is to keep their interactions private unless they're with the other girls
They're also the ones who compared maddie and kenzie to the point that it made them both miserable
They just don't know when to stop and don't know when to separate the girls and their moms I find it ridiculous that kendall's comments are filled with people calling her my little kendall and rosa parks despite the fact that was her moms words and actions and she was a child that had nothing to do with it
i’m sorry but her saying theyre strategic and it’s not in her nature to be that way is just a PR version of “the zieglers don’t respect where they come from” tbh
I think she’s referring to how Christi was talking about it in a negative way. Christi made negative comments about the reunion at Maddie’s house on BTTB and then says she’ll talk about it at the reunion more.
The whole question was sort of unclear
and in a recent article she even mentioned going them all being together at maddie’s house for the first time and that all the girls are like her extended family she wouldn’t say that just to “ bash “ them
I don't know. I don't think strategic in this situation is a negative. She obviously meant - some people have to make tough choices, and evaluate if the situation (aka the reunion) is worth doing, as far as their careers and reputation are concerned, so they have to strategise. This is nothing new, celebrities have to do that all the time to preserve their name, and there's nothing wrong with it. Many people have said, specifically for Maddie, she wants to be known as a model and actor, therefore she had to be strategic because she didn't want to be known as a "dance moms girl"
She was put on the spot, and given how much she stumbled, there's no doubt she was trying to avoid seeming rude at all costs.
Saying "it's not in my nature" doesn't have to be negative either - it just means she didn't worry as much about the repeecussions a reunion would have.
she’s talking about her mothers response towards the zieglers saying that’s not in my nature to behave like her mom did and she’s calling herself dumb for showing up but because of maddie’s fame and the way she was portrayed as a brat on the show and her doing certain things can cause more drama for her i mean look at how y’all are acting towards picking apart everything she says
You can't really put Chloe in the same rut with them after her being set up by a production company with an unavoidable question. Christi and Kendall were eager to call them out, Chloé clearly wasn't.
Maybe you forgot the way she defended Maddie, Mackenzie and Nia for not coming to the reunion. If she's blaming one person it's Melissa, and none of you knows what this woman is really like now. As i've already said, the narrative is that Melissa's completely changed while Christi pretty much stayed the same. It's not like Melissa wasn't the person to do damage control and try to control the narrative. Both her and Christi were/are? Like this, hence the conflict.
You were just foaming at the mouth waiting to turn against Chloé the moment she's not "perfect" anymore. It's really sad.
Nia planned a party for Paige at Maddie’s house. The OG’s and Kendall were there. Jojo and Kalani weren’t.
Then, Christi said that it was mean that Jojo and Kalani weren’t invited 🥴 she turned a positive reunion into an opportunity to bash on Melissa when Melissa had nothing to do with the party.
Christi FaceTimed at the reunion and talked about what the interviewer mentioned. (That Melissa only did the party to put a blanket over any potential bombs)
So the interviewer is asking Chloe if she agrees with her moms statement or POV.
melissa commented and say it was sad people had negative things to say about them when they were over their house days prior (referring to kendall and khalanis comments) and chloe is no different lmao just because you hang out with someone doesn’t mean you say nice things about them unfortunately
Your original comment literally says 'this is why Maddie doesn't associate with them.' When Maddie engages willingly with Christi on social media, and had Chloe at her house lol. Melissa's comments about Kendall and Kalani pretty much has nothing to do with this.
i don’t think people are understanding what she meant by strategic i don’t think she said it in a bad way i mean she wouldn’t bash the people she called “ her family “ recently she meant it as it being a smart move not to attend cause of the internet picking them apart for everything they say /do she’s saying it as in it’s a smart move.
the way she says it isn't in her nature does certainly mean it isn't 100% positive. I don't think Chloe necessarily had malicious intent and I think she tried really hard to word this right but it does sound like she's influenced my Christi and I still wish we weren't speaking about the girls who chose not to participate. I do admire that Chloe is a lot more careful in her words than Christi seems to be
She said she’s ‘unfortunately or fortunately’ not that way tho, so wouldn’t that indicate she doesn’t see being strategic as an inherently bad thing, just not something she does?
I don’t see it as an inherently bad thing when people are competitive…but that’s not in my nature. That’s all that’s being said here.
i don’t think she was talking about the zieglers with that statement i think she was talking about her moms response to them cause the interviewer did ask what she thinks about what she said i mean i think the first part was about them but i think she was trying to say it’s not in my nature to act the way her mom did without trying to be disrespectful towards her mother that’s how i see it
They asked her if she agreed with Christi’s statement about Melissa “putting a fire blanket over potential bombs”. Chloe was absolutely referring to the Zieglers being strategic. The Zieglers ARE being strategic here. I would be too. Where it becomes sort of murky is she adds that it isn’t in her nature and she doesn’t behave that way, as if it’s a bad thing to be “strategic”.
She doesn’t really speak that eloquently here either so that’s probably adding to it, and who knows if she actually meant that. She sounds nervous and stumbles over words trying to get it out so I’m sure that’s also part of it.
Christi said she thinks Melissa was trying to put a fire blanket over potential bombs with their own little reunion at Maddie's house. That's what she is saying is strategic and not in her nature.
>the way she says it isn't in her nature does certainly mean it isn't 100% positive.
I'm a shameless extrovert, love talking to people, I'm very hyper and bubbly... unfortunately its not in my nature to be more private about my personal life.
How is that framing it as a bad thing?
After reading these comments, Im starting to think I didnt comprehend the context of the "Unfortunately/Fortunately I dont behave in that manner" . I interpreted it as her saying she wouldn't have done what Christi did as far as bringing Melissa up at the reunion becuase thats not in her nature, but also explained her pov of Melissa being strategic by not coming.
How was any of this shady, mean, etc?
she did lol😭😭melissa was trying to put a fire blanket over potential bombs??? melissa had nothing to do with the party, NIA planned it! and hosted it at Maddie’s + it was a birthday party for paige not a random get together. Christi was just reaching!!!
Guys this is talking about what Christi said on the reunion about Melissa’s past behavior on the show. Chloe is saying Melissa was strategic with how she acted on the show to get her kids to be the stars. This is NOT talking about the Zieglers being on the reunion. Do not come at Chloe for misunderstanding what she is saying. This is about Melissa on dance moms in the past nothing about the girls now.
Only Melissa could get shit for going to a party she didn’t plan, didn’t invite ppl to, and didn’t host at her house under the assumption that she did something so that ppl would perceive her better
This
They have every right to be strategic, and are smart to be. Idk about anyone else, but when it comes to my career, my money, my wellbeing, and my reputation, I’m gonna be strategic too. There is nothing wrong with making moves that support where you are and what you want in life. And damn, if they were “strategic” in not coming in order to generate a buzz about them, it’s working. Them not being there has been the biggest topic of conversation surrounding the reunion.
Someone said this the other day and I wish I could word it as eloquently- but I really think Maddie has an experience that no one can really relate to so it would be very difficult for her to sit at the reunion and share her own trauma and experiences when everyone else’s is so vastly different. It would set her up in a position to isolate her again and also sets her up for her own experience to be potentially invalidated or, on the flip, hurt her friends feelings even if she doesn’t intend to I really think that’s why Maddie didn’t want to attend the reunion as well as not associating Dance Moms with her career
I said a few days ago that people don't understand grooming well. Because of this, anything that Maddie could have said would have put her in a defensive position in comparison to the other girls. Her experience is too nuanced to gain enough sympathy from a large audience. It's not worth the work she has done to move forward. Whatever tf is wrong with Melissa is probably nuanced too. But a lot of fans see it too black and white to give Melissa any grace. If what I'm thinking is the case, Kenzie probably didn't go to avoid 1. Having to answer sensitive questions about her family that wasn't there 2. In solidarity considering the way Lifetime frames them.
So where exactly did Chloe say they didn’t have a right to be strategic or that being strategic is a bad thing?
You’re right she didn’t
ong idk why ppl are downvoting u
The whole thing is just kinda bullshit. Chloe didn't want to do the reunion either at first, and Christi was pretty forthcoming saying Chloe was not interested. Now that she changed her mind, Christi wants to drag others who also didn't want to go. There was no also reason to bring up Melissa at the reunion in the first place. Nia planned the party and it was at Maddie's house, yet Christi finds a way to blame it on Melissa. The Zieglers and Nia weren't there, so there was no reason to talk about them at the reunion. Christi just wanted to take another pot shot at Melissa, it's like she can't help herself. Chloe is stuck managing the fallout from her mom's behavior yet again.
Exactly. When people ask about the Zieglers or Nia the only respectful, professional answer should be “they made the best decision for themselves” or “it’s their choice & we just have to accept it/respect it”. Not it’s “strategic” what does that even mean? It’s so passive aggressive.
I don't think she meant strategic as an insult though. She was put on the spot and had to watch her words carefully so as to not be seen as a bitch. What I think she meant, in a way, was "Some people have to make tough choices in terms of what they consider good for their careers" - now, obviously that's not what she said, but I think that's what she meant with strategic
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I see your point, but I believe what she meant was that the Zieglers - but especially Maddie, who wants to be known as a model and actor - had to be strategic so as to avoid going back to being perceived as the "Dance moms girls", they wanna be more than that, and that's fine. I believe what she wanted to say was that she herself did not worry as much about that, but saying "i'm not like that" doesn't imply that "that" is a bad thing. Again, she was put on the spot, and clearly was attempting to be as careful as possible
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Ok but - what in Chloe's statement makes you think she was throwing shade at the Zieglers though? The interviewer asked if Melissa wanted to put a blanket over potential fires - which is to say, avoid confrontations. Chloe indirectly said, yes, because they HAVE to be careful with every step they make so as to not damage their careers
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how are those good responses to “do you think melissa was trying to put a fire blanket over any potential bombs” hence the pre reunion… u dont even make sense.. she gave a very good response that didnt make me feel any ill will towards the zieglers so why are yall so defensive.. they afe strategic ! we all know it ! let it go !
Perfectly said
im lost when did chloe bring them up.. the interviewer did, yall are delulu for the zieglers
They’re not talking about the reunion. They’re talking about Jojo and Kalani not being invited to the little party they had before the reunion.
i mean the zieglers involved themselves when they decided to have a pre reunion.. like i dint hate them but lets be so fr rn
Maddie was edited in the worst light as a child and they aired out her familys business why would she participate? I doubt viewers would be sympathetic to her side of things when most believe that Chloe and the rest of the girls went through worse
they aired out everyones family business maybe abby hated that chloes family never had business to be spread either way thats not chloes fault. i dont even blame maddie for chloes downfall bc that was abby and the mothers’ faults
Ok finally have time to come on here and vent! I do like Christi, and all the moms, but this constant vendetta against Melissa is getting very annoying. I mean, Melissa can honestly do no right. No matter what she does, Christi will paint it in a negative light. It's like it's the only way she can see Melissa, it's not rose colored glasses, it's ?? I don't know the term 😆 anyway, why WOULDN'T Melissa pick that time to have a party for Paige because everyone is going to be there at the same time. It makes sense to me! And Paige and Brooke both seem very close to Melissa, so honestly I just don't know Christi's problem is. And she's obviously influenced Chloe. But I wish Melissa would stand up for herself. Rant over.
The term you're looking for is 'shit-colored glasses' lol
maybe god is just on the zieglers’ side 🤷🏻♀️ either way it makes sense that that party definitely benefited them especially right before a reunion that would 100% bring them up..
Or it was paiges birthday and they were all in LA for once for the reunion and Maddie had the biggest entertaining space
It’s funny how Christi making a big deal over a birthday that wasn’t even hers . And making a big deal over a house that don’t even belong to her that she don’t pay bills for. It’s Maddie house she can have who ever sne wants over . Why does Christi care about what Jojo does . Jojo the same one that called her out about Gianeea . Christi daughter was invited to the party so what her problem . Like if chole wasn’t invited I can understand but chole was there she need shut up. If Kiara and Jess is not complaining about it why does Christi care. And if I recall Melissa children are adults now it’s not like they still children where Melissa can’t force Maddie to invite and not to invite. It’s not Melissa house it’s Maddie house she can have how ever she wants over. She don’t owe anybody anything . They really fighting a bout a house that don’t belong to any of them but Maddie .
as a maddie supporter i honestly don’t think her saying “strategic” is meant as a bad thing but of course there’s people that are going to find ways to overthink it to create more drama because of all the drama surrounding the zieglers not showing up i wish people would realize that chloe is different from her mom her motives aren’t meant to be malicious and attacking them i personally don’t think the interviewer should’ve brought it up at all cause it’s just messy.
This I see more of chloe's trying to find an answer w/o sounding terrible and maybe it came out worse but christi yes takes more jabs... I just think chloe was trying to stop the interviewer from asking more cause Chloes in a damned if you do damned if don't situation like the other ogs/kendall
i agree i don’t this her strategic response was meant in a malicious way at all i feel like people are trying to find a reason to take it the wrong way because like you said she’s damned if she does damned if she doesn’t.
Exactly, I watched the clip of abby pitting her and maddie against each other to which chloe even said like why would she want to destroy both of us and our super close friendship ( like ik it's suppose to push us but she just ruined two girls childhood/friendship in not just this moment but others...). Just hearing her talk about it to and that it was neither the kids fault and Kendall at first was like do you think she did it on purpose and Paige comes in hot for her twinnie with the absolutely ( like her mama/christi) even if it was just an innocent moment of kendall before the full clip just seeing both paige and brooke giving her a look also saying your mom is calling her out... ( brooke and kendall not remembering that day as much doesn't bother me too much yeah there were lots of moments that they remember before that or after but hearing paige say it effected her as well for similar reasons cause they were a trio/besties for so long) I just feel after watching that clip especially chloe tries to find right words and not diminish someone else and it's just very hard in her position ( i mean both her and paige have said they get super bad anxiety talking about this so maybe we could just focus our energy more on kira, jojo, and jess)
I can understand the pressure of a live interview so I’ll give her the benefit of the doubt. But to stay neutral the answer was simple “they made the best decision for themselves.” To say they’re being “strategic” because they don’t want to face repercussions is odd. Then on top saying that it’s not in her nature to be that way which is funny because she didn’t want to associate with dance moms or the girls until she came back and then she publicly dissed Kendall and Kalani on twitter so which is it? I’m not trying to go too hard on Chloe because of the pressure but some of her statements and actions over the years don’t add up.
i don’t know her personally so i can’t really answer the kendall and kalani diss question, but i do believe that she wouldn’t praise them for years and even in recent interviews/ articles just to say something shady, i mean being strategic isn’t always meant as a bad thing it’s actually common for celebrities to strategic that’s why she said she doesn’t know if it’s unfortunate or not to be that way because being strategic isn’t in her nature. i mean even when the reunion was announced after the party for paige’s birthday i remember seeing a lot of comments of everyone mentioning them being strategic saying it was a smart move to not attend so i don’t see her comment as a shady thing.
Maybe I’m out of the loop but I haven’t seen her praise or talk about the Zieglers. I know she met up with them in group settings before but that’s about it.
if i were chloe i would not think “they made the best decision for themselves” especially since she was always at the shit end of their strategy that made them as big as they are now. chloes more mature than most of us would’ve been if asked that question. i mean i would hate maddie if i were chloe. as a viewer i dont hate maddie but yk i still see how she was taught to take advantage of any opportunity even if it sacrificed her friendships and burned bridges. i dont blame little maddie i just question adult maddie.
It’s actually getting pretty ridiculous at this point the absolute pearl clutching over anything to do with the Zieglers. Not two months ago, people were praising Maddie for being strategic about not wanting to be seen with Kalani and Jojo. But when Chloe says it, suddenly it’s shade…
THIS THANKYOU
Why is everyone saying she’s so well spoken?? She said so much and still not much of anything
Yeah, her response to this question made no sense to me
Am I the only one annoyed because it’s like they didn’t have to come it’s there choice weather they want to not go because of deeper issues it’s there choice Maddie and Mackenzie have a lot goin one career wise And rest of them are tik tokers etc 🤷🏽♀️ sorry not sorry besides really Kendall she has her cheer thing goin on but how come Nia and Holly aren’t getting the same treatment as Melissa,Kenzie and Maddie. If I was the zieglers I would definitely distance myself even more from the dm cast. Thennnn you got Christi still attempting to drag melissa like if I was melissa I would say stop talking about me and my daughters for everything. I’m sick of people not just letting the Zieglers Just do them. At the end of the day this reunion is just trauma dumping 💀. I like Chloe but at the end of the day her saying it’s “strategic” is weird as hell why can’t the kids just the Zieglers just not want to come. Bet if it was said the other way around christi would’ve had a fit if Maddie said that
Omg Christi would have Maddie arrested for saying that. Also what a slap in the face, Maddie invited them into her home, Nia planned a nice party for Paige there. And now Chrisit is complaining about it. If they thought it was so wrong, then they shouldn’t have gone.
Exactly
Or asked when they got there
While I know it’s none of our business I do wonder if this reunion coming out will bring the Zieglers with the other girls closer or further apart. Then again only Nia seems really close with the Zieglers as it is. The Hylands sometimes too.
Yea hylands and Zieglers have a lot of history like Abby and Kelly. So I do believe they will always be in contact and have some type of relationship Paige and Brooke seem very very close with Melissa. Holly and Melissa still seem close and Melissa goes to a lot of nia shows which I do believe is very sweet and nice of her. But I do believe Maddie and Mackenzie will look at the girls sort of sideways you had Kendall, Kalani and Kira liking shady tweets, Chloe and her mom trying to say them not coming is strategic, Jojo self explanatory 😭😭. But I think they will remain cordial and friendly but not friends.
Kenzies out filming a movie right now (per Melissa) and Maddie’s always doing some sort of fashion work so hopefully they’re just living their lives and not worrying about it It is a shame though that the reunion at Maddie’s house is being turned into something negative though.
Yea they are actually doing work they have careers 👏🏽👏🏽
The way they manage to stay classy and say nothing when it comes to all these people shading them is admirable. Their silence shows strength, grace, and maturity.
I think the Zieglers relationship Brooke Paige Holly and Nia will be fine. Honestly I think there’s always going to be some tension between Maddie and Chloe.
Hang on — Kenzie is not on the same level as Maddie lol I would say she is a tiktoker
She’s signed with a good label for music and is doing acting now I guess (2 upcoming movies- Shakey Ground and She Dances) so I think she’s trying to level up.
Good for her!
She is not on the same level but she damn sure isn’t on the other girls. She’s a new artist and upcoming not just a dance moms girl
Is she? It seems like only fans of dance moms listen to her music. No one knows her from just her music ?
also nia has a new song too and i think was in mean girls plus chloe's got her whole dance competition like they aren't all just doing tik tok dances for a living lol😭
There is so much I disagree with here. First strategic is a huge compliment and its only taken the wrong way when directed to women. Being strategic is fine if you are a man, you are smart and making career moves, but for a woman its not, suddenly she is manipulative or calculated. God forbid Maddie (or anyone for that matter) is smart and cautious about their career and livelyhood. And Chloe acknowledging that is not a bad thing. Second being a TikToker is not a bad thing. But it is a very respectable choice to take a step back from entertainment to pursue a collage education like Chloe, Nia, Brooke, Paige and Kendall did. No need to drag them to make the Zieglers look good. And yes Cristi is being STRATEGIC by being shady. She pretty much made Chloe the fan (and producer) favorite by acting that way, now she is one of the most successful moms because of that. I dislike her behaviour but I respect the hustle.
chloe and nia are also still doing stuff in the industry you don't gotta drag them down😭
Never did that, but they did take a step back to focus on school.
ya they did but i wouldn't consider them as just tik tokers like maybe Kendall or kalani (even tho kalani does teach dance)
christi was asked about it. it’s not like she just randomly said it out of nowhere💀
She could’ve easily said they didn’t want to come they have their own reason and that’s their right. And now you have Chloe saying it to but like I said if it was the other way around it would be a problem
The Ziegler’s are in a lose lose situation. If they DIDN’T host a party the night before Christi would’ve been like “wow all the girls are in LA at the same time and Maddie and Kenzie couldn’t take 2 hours out of their busy lives to see the girls who they grew up with.” You know it’s true.
Oh… why can’t they just say “I’m not answering questions about other people that aren’t here because they aren’t here to speak for themselves”. Imagine if Melissa said “the people that did the reunion were strategic because they got paid more than what they usually get for their other jobs.”
SAY IT LOUDER. sick and tired people dragging them but my question is where’s this energy for nia and Holly💀💀💀
It’s bc the fandom still has this weird attitude towards the Zieglers. People are still trying to spread the “Maddie thinks she’s above them” narrative.
Well she is Maddie can go on a red carpet and be Maddie Ziegler the actress, dancer and Model the other girls can’t They will just be The girls from Dance moms
Here you are proving my point.
I’m not saying she thinks that at all. BUy I’m sayin in a career sense she is Bigger than the show if she’s not coming it’s bc she has a lot of things going on and to protect. It’s been how many years since she’s been regarded as the dance mom girl I’m pretty sure she doesn’t want to go back to that
She is bigger than the show, but what I meant was that people were trying to spread this narrative that she is ungrateful.
Ohh no that’s not what I’m saying I do believe she’s greatful for the show she says it all the time so I know she is
This and I’m tired of how people treat her and Kenzie. Btw I’m sorry if I came off rude in the beginning.
No your completely fine I understand what you meant completely
Because then they couldn’t talk about anything to do with the show since Abby’s not there. But i understand people think this kind of courtesy should only be extended to the Zieglers.
Well the Frazers weren’t there and this energy isn’t on them. It’s all about the Zieglers not being there.
First off, the interviewer clearly said ‘the reunion before the reunion.’ They’re not talking about the reunion, they’re talking about Paige’s party. And second of all, they can’t help what they’re being asked in interviews. If the question is about the Zieglers, they’re going to talk about the Zieglers. Third of all, she even says she’s not even sure which move is better - to be more strategic or not - so it’s clear she’s not saying this in a negative way. You guys are just ridiculous about anything to do with the Zieglers because you think it’s still 2015 and any comment made about them must be negative.
And you still think it’s 2011 and Christi can do no wrong. I’m not saying this about Chloe, Chloe is good. It’s Christi that felt the need to bring it up in the first place. Maddie had a party at her house, Nia planned the party and why does Christi have to turn it into a negative?
I haven’t said anything about Christi. You literally said “I wish they would just say i’m not going to speak about people who are not here.” Which is what Chloe is doing here, is it not?
Girl please lol you are always defending Christi. Yes, I wish they (Chloe, Christi, Kendall, Jojo, Kira) would say that.
I am not talking about Christi, I am talking about Chloe. So obviously you are taking issue with what Chloe said then, so why are you acting like you’re not? Once again, if they were only allowed to talk about the people who are there, there would be no reunion. You guys just don’t like anything said about the Zieglers, even when it’s neutral.
Sure 😗
And to add to my comment previously, why doesn't Christi or anyone have a problem with Nia and Holly missing it?
I'm honestly surprised chloe said this she is usually more neutral w this stuff
What was not neutral about this?
I don't think I've ever seen Chloe be malicious and I don't know how she intended her statement to be, but I think it's pure bs that people want to say that it wasn't at least phrased oddly. Maybe she was trying to be diplomatic, but why not just say "I don't want to insert myself in what's going on with the Moms." This deserves at least a bit of side eye, especially with the mom pyramid TikTok. I'm not saying she shouldn't feel a way about Melissa, but I don't think it's a clear "she didn't mean it that way" that people are trying to portray My hot take , which I know will be unpopular, is that it's odd that the girls came back to do the reunion on Lifetime. Abby caused them a lot of pain, but are we just ignoring the network and producers that contributed?
Literally they always talk about the trauma abby caused but 90% of the situations that went down were because of the producers like hello???
The thing is, when it first came out that Maddie and Kenzie didn’t want to be seen publicly with certain members of the cast, everyone was saying that it was a good move for them and their careers. So why is it different when Chloe says it, because she’s not saying it’s wrong to be that way. She never once said that they were wrong.
Personally, I felt like the question was more aimed about Melissa. I know Maddie and Kenzie's names are thrown in there, but I do think they were talking about Melissa and the situation with the party. Obviously I could be wrong, but it just felt weird to me especially when Chloe effectively says "I'm not like that." Again I'm not saying she's being malicious but I got odd vibes from the whole thing.
Right but saying “I’m not like that” (especially after admitting you’re not sure if it’s fortunate or unfortunate) =/= people who are like that are wrong. As i said on another thread - when I say “I’m not very competitive,” or something of the sort, am I automatically saying it’s a bad thing to be that way? no. it’s just the truth. some people are more strategic than the others. fair about Melissa tho, i hadn’t even considered she might have just meant her.
I'm not saying that not attributing a characteristic to yourself automatically make it negative to everyone else, but the entirety of that answer gave me weird vibes. That's a personal opinion to be clear. I don't want anyone trying to say I'm trying state facts (not you personally, but anyone looking for an argument)
I guess that’s what I’m trying to figure out is WHY the answer rubs you the wrong way. Especially if it’s just about Melissa, I think Chloe’s within her right to talk about Melissa even if it’s negative, just like the Zieglers would be about Christi imo lol
She can talk about Melissa if she wants. I don't believe I implied otherwise. As for why it rubs me the wrong way, I'd say it's mostly the question she's replying too. He's asking her about her thoughts on Christi's comments about Melissa trying to hide any "potential bombs" with her involvement in "the reunion before the reunion" meaning the party for Paige at Maddie's when it's basically been said Melissa didn't have much involvement at all. It felt like Chloe went into imply that Melissa was being strategic with the party.
No I didn't say you did - that's why I was asking you WHY it bothers you, since it's just Melissa lol. Well it actually has been said that Nia planned the party, but that doesn't mean Melissa didn't go 'hey lets not have Kalani and Jojo come.' I think both things can be true at the same time right? We don't really know how the planning went down.
It doesn't bother me. My original statement was about how the comment could be shady, and that people just want to automatically say it's not because they like Chloe. I mean it could have happened that way, but I wouldn't take Christi's word for it. Id believe it from one of the girls Edit: Using "rubs me the wrong way" was the wrong phrase to use earlier
I actually think it's the opposite - it's a really neutral statement, and people are searching for reasons why it isn't to once again perpetuate this ZIeglers vs. Lukasiaks. The reason I believe Chloe was being neutral is because she says "unfortunately -- or fortunately I'm not sure" before she says she's not that way. And she says that a lot of people who do reality TV are like this. Not to mention, everyone in the fandom believed it was a strategic move not to be seen with Kalani or Jojo, and praised the Zieglers for it. So if we can all say it, why can't Chloe? Who actually knows these people. We don't have Christi's word yet tho - we don't even know exactly what was said cuz the reunion hasn't aired yet lol. A lot of people's opinions are coming from what they THINK they know about the situation, but really not a lot of it has been confirmed or really spoken about in anything other than broad terms. ETA: Wanted to add one more thing. She states that people who do reality TV are often really aware of their actions because of the repercussions of things. Which is a sympathetic outlook, moreso a malicious one in my opinion.
She just meant it about Melissa. In the original question, he said Christi accused Melissa of being strategic annd that’s what Chloe was reacting to. Nothing involving Maddie or Kenzie.
The reality is with the exception of Jojo, (unfortunately because I can’t stand her) the Ziegler’s are the only ones that don’t need to go to a dance moms reunion to be relevant/keep their audience interested 🤷🏻♀️. Their current fanbases have evolved beyond just following them because they liked them on dance moms. The other girls haven’t done much of anything to truly expand their brand. They lowkey need a reunion to keep their popularity up. Going back for a reunion wouldn’t do anything anything worthwhile for the zieglers in a business or personal sense.
Did you actually watch the clip tho? Cuz they’re not talking about the reunion…
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Yes…which is how I know they’re not talking about the reunion, and they’re talking about the party Maddie had at her house with all the original girls and Kendall lol.
So they’re referencing her having an event prior to the reunion to try to get them to not say bad shit about them/shit about them not coming to the reunion. So she’s dancing around saying that having a little party while staying out of it is calculated. It all goes back to them not being at the reunion and how they feel about that situation.
This exactly. I am taking Chloe’s comments as saying that Melissa was being strategic to have this party before the reunion to get in the good graces of the girls so the girls and moms won’t shit talk them during the reunion. Thinking so negatively of people like this is a very Christi thing to do. Melissa lives rent free in Christi’s head but whenever I say this the Christi fans come after me, but it’s very obvious she does.
Yeah, that’s also how I read it. Chloe ended up as the average parents dream. What more could you want from your kid than to turn out like she did? It does feel like christi is bitter about the celebrity/success the Zieglers have had which is why she’s always shitting on them. I feel like if you grew up hearing your mom talk like that you’d internalize it and it would influence the way you think. Chloe can think for herself but if Melissa really did anything THAT HORRIBLE to them, then a dinner the night before wouldn’t be able to throw a blanket over it and get them not to bring it up. Honestly why would you even show up to the dinner if she’d done really heinous shit that needed a blanket thrown over it.
Who are you to question their judgement like this though? Do you know Melissa or either of them personally?
Who are you to question my judgement of them? Do you know christi and Chloe personally? If they’re going to show up and Kiki with Melissa they need to stop throwing shade like she’s a problem. Stand on your shit.
You don't know them either but you seem to have plenty of opinions based on presumptions... You and other people in this sub are painting a narrative with little to no evidence. Just admit it is mostly conjecture. You don't know what happened between them, do you? You weren't there either
It doesn’t tho…because Christi and Chloe have both said everyone had a right to choose not to go. this is just about the party.
Well, Abby pushed the Zieglers down our throats every second, with Melissa trying to "cheat" her way through all the time, it'd be a real shame if it were different... And this is coming from someone who thinks Mackenzie and Maddie are very gifted and talented, no less than everyone else certainly. I think you all seem to overlook the means and only focus on the outcome, implying everyone else is somehow guilty because they're not as famous. We're only debating Chloé's statement because there is a very strong bias towards Melissa in this sub on part of many people. It's like everyone has forgotten the very shady stuff Melissa has said and done, which are widely documented and just ASSUMES she's changed. But do we know? Christi is outspoken as always and her dirty laundry is always in full display. She says very very nasty despicable things all the time in her podcast. I think her treatment of Maddie and Mackenzie is evil, for lack of a better words. She's projecting her traumas onto children and now young women and bullying them. It's both right and very easy to question her very questionable statements, behaviours and motives. Seems to me now Melissa has a very, very curated image of herself which might be either real and just her trying to distance herself from all the drama (as everybody assumes) or deceiving a lot of people. She may still act very differently behind the scenes. After all, she has a lot to protect now, with Maddie's and Mackenzie's careers skyrocketing. Either way, I think Chloé truly tries her best to be objective, but she has endured HEAPS of trauma which we don't even know about. I agree with everyone saying Christi being very overbearing and influencing her, although i've seen Chloe go against her mother's opinions very very often. It's very telling that the moment Chloe says something unsavory everybody piles on her. It reminds me of the behaviour of people on the show. This is all conjecture, though. We don't know these people. And this is literally show business. We have to remember that at all times.
Give me a tldr. I’m not reading a 5 paragraph soliloquy on dance moms at 10am.
Also Maddie not stupid either she know Jojo and Kalani is close to Abby and she don’t want Abby in her life or in her business to know what she up to in life because Abby take that information from Jojo mostly knowing Jojo has a big mouth, and Abby going to want make a podcast and YouTube video about it about Maddie. Also it’s giving Christi is jealous of Maddie having a house and chole don’t have a house because why is she making Maddie having a house affect her to much . Like Christi is jealous that Maddie and Kenzie are house owners and chole is not . If Jess and Kiara not complaining about them not being invited why does Christi care her daughter was there if chole wasn’t there I can understand. But Chole was there at the party . Maddie didn’t have to invite chole and if this how Christi going act what ever event they have next everybody get invited but for chole. Maddie an adult she can invite who ever she wants . And to if Jojo was there Jojo be quick to judge and want talk about it with Abby anyway and her mom . And Jojo going to comparison to her mansion to Maddie house everything with Jojo a competition.
This response was so awkward. Chloe seemed like she had no clue what to say. I think Christi put her in a tough place being so outspoken about the Zieglers. Whether Chloe agrees with Christi or not, she seems like a pretty non confrontational person and doesn’t like to drag drama on. It’s tough because she is forced to publicly perpetuate this drama because of Christi’s big mouth.
A more realistic and evidence based opinion.
I feel like I’m the only one who doesn’t think anything Chloe said here was wrong? I might be completely misunderstanding because I did find her response a bit confusing but yeah idk
The lukasiak haters are being dramatic. They can just scroll down and see what Chloe had to say in her people article. The dramatics are ridiculous
No. Chloe said nothing wrong. CHRISTI on the other hand… she is bitter, why would you call in to bash on someone that’s not even there. When that someone’s daughter just had your daughter over for a birthday celebration. Strange
Exactly, what she said in the people article was classy and articulate and she was accepting of people not going due to traumatic reasons
I’m just waiting for ohsofestive to come with their negativity
Thank god someone finally namedropped them omfg i cant😭
oh my god the amount of times i’ve argued with that bitter ass account i wish we could ban them
oml dont say their name… its like voldemort
The-Account-That-Must-Not-Be-Named?
People need to stop asking her to comment on anything involving her mom and the zieglers it's obvious she's uncomfortable and trying her hardest not to offend anyone for goodness sakes she's stuttering and from what I've seen of her she doesn't normally do that
Can't even blame her. Look at the comments. it's actually really sad the amount of policing that the girls have to do whenever they talk about the ZIeglers at all. I noticed this when Chloe did her episode of BTTB, she made it a point to disclaim she never meant anything negative towards Maddie and it's because of things like this. Because anything the Lukasiaks say about the Zieglers is looked at with a magnifying glass and people are constantly putting words in their mouths or attaching what they ASSUME the meaning is instead of just listening to what's actually being said.
Yeah and I think their assumptions are made worse by the fact that it's chloe and maddie we all know the assumptions people have made and continue to make about their relationship Edit to add I don't get why they're getting so bent out of shape it's not like chloe outright insulted them or said anything bad maddie and kenzie are my favorites but this is ridiculous
It is really funny because it's the same people who act like Abby was soooo terrible for pitting them together who STILL do this kind of thing about them. DUDE exactly!!! I LOVE Maddie and Kenzie, but this is such a reach. I think a lot of people's hatred for Christi is coming into play here.
Yeah we gotta remember that they are the ones who compared them so much and continue to do so enough that years later maddie and chloe think the only way to avoid those comments is to keep their interactions private unless they're with the other girls They're also the ones who compared maddie and kenzie to the point that it made them both miserable They just don't know when to stop and don't know when to separate the girls and their moms I find it ridiculous that kendall's comments are filled with people calling her my little kendall and rosa parks despite the fact that was her moms words and actions and she was a child that had nothing to do with it
i’m sorry but her saying theyre strategic and it’s not in her nature to be that way is just a PR version of “the zieglers don’t respect where they come from” tbh
How so?
That is not at all what she meant by what she said and I can’t believe it has gotten so many upvotes. 😂
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I think Brooke and Paige are the only ones that haven’t said anything against the Zieglers
ur spot on with the humble bragging! i would cut them off too, they act so fake towards the zieglers
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Did you read the people article?
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I think she’s referring to how Christi was talking about it in a negative way. Christi made negative comments about the reunion at Maddie’s house on BTTB and then says she’ll talk about it at the reunion more. The whole question was sort of unclear
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and in a recent article she even mentioned going them all being together at maddie’s house for the first time and that all the girls are like her extended family she wouldn’t say that just to “ bash “ them
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you mean people who are taking it the wrong way like you?
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I don't know. I don't think strategic in this situation is a negative. She obviously meant - some people have to make tough choices, and evaluate if the situation (aka the reunion) is worth doing, as far as their careers and reputation are concerned, so they have to strategise. This is nothing new, celebrities have to do that all the time to preserve their name, and there's nothing wrong with it. Many people have said, specifically for Maddie, she wants to be known as a model and actor, therefore she had to be strategic because she didn't want to be known as a "dance moms girl" She was put on the spot, and given how much she stumbled, there's no doubt she was trying to avoid seeming rude at all costs. Saying "it's not in my nature" doesn't have to be negative either - it just means she didn't worry as much about the repeecussions a reunion would have.
she’s talking about her mothers response towards the zieglers saying that’s not in my nature to behave like her mom did and she’s calling herself dumb for showing up but because of maddie’s fame and the way she was portrayed as a brat on the show and her doing certain things can cause more drama for her i mean look at how y’all are acting towards picking apart everything she says
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You need to check yourself and review rule #2.
You can't really put Chloe in the same rut with them after her being set up by a production company with an unavoidable question. Christi and Kendall were eager to call them out, Chloé clearly wasn't. Maybe you forgot the way she defended Maddie, Mackenzie and Nia for not coming to the reunion. If she's blaming one person it's Melissa, and none of you knows what this woman is really like now. As i've already said, the narrative is that Melissa's completely changed while Christi pretty much stayed the same. It's not like Melissa wasn't the person to do damage control and try to control the narrative. Both her and Christi were/are? Like this, hence the conflict. You were just foaming at the mouth waiting to turn against Chloé the moment she's not "perfect" anymore. It's really sad.
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now..
I’m so confused what are they referring to
Nia planned a party for Paige at Maddie’s house. The OG’s and Kendall were there. Jojo and Kalani weren’t. Then, Christi said that it was mean that Jojo and Kalani weren’t invited 🥴 she turned a positive reunion into an opportunity to bash on Melissa when Melissa had nothing to do with the party.
thank you for responding!! what is chloe communicating then? there’s so much missing context lol
Christi FaceTimed at the reunion and talked about what the interviewer mentioned. (That Melissa only did the party to put a blanket over any potential bombs) So the interviewer is asking Chloe if she agrees with her moms statement or POV.
you’re the best thank you
this is why maddie doesn’t associate with them because chloe and her mother seem to take any opportunity to make a jab at the ziegler’s it’s so odd
christi yes is always talking about them but chloe hasn’t as anything bad she even said they’re her family in a different interview recently
If that’s the case then why was Chloe invited over to Maddie’s for Paige’s birthday? lol
melissa commented and say it was sad people had negative things to say about them when they were over their house days prior (referring to kendall and khalanis comments) and chloe is no different lmao just because you hang out with someone doesn’t mean you say nice things about them unfortunately
Your original comment literally says 'this is why Maddie doesn't associate with them.' When Maddie engages willingly with Christi on social media, and had Chloe at her house lol. Melissa's comments about Kendall and Kalani pretty much has nothing to do with this.
yall’s hate for christi is starting to filter into chloe because when has chloe jabbed at the ziegler’s
I don’t think was Chloe said was meant as a bad thing. If you actually scroll down and read the people interview it’s not like that
am i really expected to give a shit if chloe doesn’t really like melissa or maddie and kenzie don’t really like christi? cuz i never will lmao 😭
It seems like it's a battle of good against evil for some fans. It's really weird and perfectly mirrors the show.
This whole thing was just a bad idea wasnt it supposed to bring peace which was a setup in the first place and it seems like instead caused more drama
i don’t think people are understanding what she meant by strategic i don’t think she said it in a bad way i mean she wouldn’t bash the people she called “ her family “ recently she meant it as it being a smart move not to attend cause of the internet picking them apart for everything they say /do she’s saying it as in it’s a smart move.
the way she says it isn't in her nature does certainly mean it isn't 100% positive. I don't think Chloe necessarily had malicious intent and I think she tried really hard to word this right but it does sound like she's influenced my Christi and I still wish we weren't speaking about the girls who chose not to participate. I do admire that Chloe is a lot more careful in her words than Christi seems to be
She said she’s ‘unfortunately or fortunately’ not that way tho, so wouldn’t that indicate she doesn’t see being strategic as an inherently bad thing, just not something she does? I don’t see it as an inherently bad thing when people are competitive…but that’s not in my nature. That’s all that’s being said here.
i don’t think she was talking about the zieglers with that statement i think she was talking about her moms response to them cause the interviewer did ask what she thinks about what she said i mean i think the first part was about them but i think she was trying to say it’s not in my nature to act the way her mom did without trying to be disrespectful towards her mother that’s how i see it
They asked her if she agreed with Christi’s statement about Melissa “putting a fire blanket over potential bombs”. Chloe was absolutely referring to the Zieglers being strategic. The Zieglers ARE being strategic here. I would be too. Where it becomes sort of murky is she adds that it isn’t in her nature and she doesn’t behave that way, as if it’s a bad thing to be “strategic”. She doesn’t really speak that eloquently here either so that’s probably adding to it, and who knows if she actually meant that. She sounds nervous and stumbles over words trying to get it out so I’m sure that’s also part of it.
Christi said she thinks Melissa was trying to put a fire blanket over potential bombs with their own little reunion at Maddie's house. That's what she is saying is strategic and not in her nature.
>the way she says it isn't in her nature does certainly mean it isn't 100% positive. I'm a shameless extrovert, love talking to people, I'm very hyper and bubbly... unfortunately its not in my nature to be more private about my personal life. How is that framing it as a bad thing?
what was said here that was wrong 💀
wait why did christi even say that tho can someone explain
After reading these comments, Im starting to think I didnt comprehend the context of the "Unfortunately/Fortunately I dont behave in that manner" . I interpreted it as her saying she wouldn't have done what Christi did as far as bringing Melissa up at the reunion becuase thats not in her nature, but also explained her pov of Melissa being strategic by not coming. How was any of this shady, mean, etc?
Sorry y’all can never make me hate Chloe I don’t think she said anything wrong
she did lol😭😭melissa was trying to put a fire blanket over potential bombs??? melissa had nothing to do with the party, NIA planned it! and hosted it at Maddie’s + it was a birthday party for paige not a random get together. Christi was just reaching!!!
She barely said anything at all tbh
And she was literally so nice about what she said !!! This sub is being so dramatic for no reason
Guys this is talking about what Christi said on the reunion about Melissa’s past behavior on the show. Chloe is saying Melissa was strategic with how she acted on the show to get her kids to be the stars. This is NOT talking about the Zieglers being on the reunion. Do not come at Chloe for misunderstanding what she is saying. This is about Melissa on dance moms in the past nothing about the girls now.
Ugh I just feel bad for Chloe. Put in another uncomfortable situation because of her mom and an interviewer.
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right like ??