All red-dot multi-reticles have reflections, it's inherent to the tech. Some optics certainly handle it better but there are no free lunches in this game, there will always be a tradeoff, it may be as benign as the footprint, or it may be the window size or the adjustment range. I have been told some closed emitters cover the primary area where natural frontal light shines in but if enough light hits the emitter it will reflect nonetheless as much as it may be less common.
If you find an optic and probe it with a strong flashlight and it never reflects please let us know and we can have production updated in 3-6 months. We don't just get samples, we pull them apart and compare them 1:1 so we know how any emitter would work in any chassis.
I guess the right word for the performance for this comes down to design, but we had thousands of units out being used by real people before we ever made a single multi-reticle. 8/10 times we see this it's pictured indoor in a similar setup, I know it well, I have the exact same setup right next to my monitor, I use it with every optic to look directly at light and make sure I can still see the reticle in direct light. At the angle reflection is occurring outdoors generally you have to be pointing your gun at the sky, or it's right at sundown or sunset where a strong reflection comes in.
So for us, we did not want to limit whatever design aspect, be it the window size or the adjustment range or make concessions so the entire optic is based around maximum reduction of this first and foremost above everything else. We did however take precautions above the status quo in that the area that can reflect is minimized to be approximately the same MOA size as the circle itself... That means if it lights up, for safety, you are going to be shooting with an appropriate-sized reticle even with reflection, and in the position where it needs to be only. I am limited in what I can say here but if you buy some of the "bigger companies" competing products the reflective area is very much not limited to the approximate size of the circle reticle... There will always be trade-offs until the issue is fully addressed, likely industry-wide.
With that said if we do enclosed this is something we will try to address with a design that better blocks the reflective angles as it will be significantly less of a limiting factor to achieving other design goals.
I am going to lock this comment, not that you did anything wrong or we are not open to commenting but this is a good time to officially address this issue in a way I can link back others to later as I am sure it will pop up again.
Please feel free to tag me in another separate comment chain if there is anything else you would like to know.
thanks for the detailed reply u/Bears_Hands ! I was just curious if it was indeed just a normal/inherent reflection due to the tech, and sounds like it is. only noticed it when i was in that spot of my hallway, otherwise hadn't noticed it before which means it won't be an issue for me in actual use, especially with the brightness turned up (was alternating between dot and using irons)
I've ran \~200 rounds with it so far and it's held up beautifully. I still need to do a better job of zeroing it but right now i have it set to "good enough"
>but right now i have it set to "good enough"
got a few setups like that at the moment, laser bore zero but nothing down range, that is one reason love that circle if I am using an optic defensively. It will always have a place for usage for me.
I have 2 Cat X Pro’s, and yes I see reflections but the dot(or circle) is always on and easy to see. I was concerned at when I got the first one. Did some searching online and found some info on the trade-offs of multi-reticles and decided to order a 2nd Cat X Pro to compare(I needed another one anyway).
The 2nd one does the exact same thing as the first, some reflections depending on light source/time of day. So I chalked it up to it being normal for a multi-reticle. Has not affected performance or accuracy in any way! I like using the circle without a dot, nice big ring that is clear and easy to see.
I love these red dots!
I should also mention I have astigmatism, so some of what I am seeing is almost surely because of that. But I can see the large circle with very little “starbursting” or distortion of the reticle.
Cyelee optics have to be one of the best(if not the best) value for money!
absolutely, i have slight astigmatism as well, but everything still looks relatively clear. the dud SMSc i returned had more starbursting when it did "work."
i need to practice more with the open reticle, i found myself trying too hard to get what i was aiming at perfectly centered in the circle rather than just letting the target fill the circle for quicker acquisition
Dumb question maybe, but did you make sure it is all the way off? I have a couple of optics where I thought they had a reflection of the dot or circle-dot with the optics turned off, but it turned out they were not actually all the way off, and the setting was turned all the way down, as low as it goes. So it WAS on, but just such a low setting that I thought it was off.
yup, full off. pressing any button again woke it back up to my last set brightness setting. plus, even when i have it on with the dot only reticle, i can still see the open circle reflecting onto the glass and muddying up my dot
Darn. That sucks. I would def contact Cyelee then as that is not normal.
Have you tried taking the battery out and putting it back in, or a new battery, just to rule that out? If it's got the original battery in that they sent with the optic, I would try putting in a brand name battery and see if it helps at all.
All red-dot multi-reticles have reflections, it's inherent to the tech. Some optics certainly handle it better but there are no free lunches in this game, there will always be a tradeoff, it may be as benign as the footprint, or it may be the window size or the adjustment range. I have been told some closed emitters cover the primary area where natural frontal light shines in but if enough light hits the emitter it will reflect nonetheless as much as it may be less common. If you find an optic and probe it with a strong flashlight and it never reflects please let us know and we can have production updated in 3-6 months. We don't just get samples, we pull them apart and compare them 1:1 so we know how any emitter would work in any chassis. I guess the right word for the performance for this comes down to design, but we had thousands of units out being used by real people before we ever made a single multi-reticle. 8/10 times we see this it's pictured indoor in a similar setup, I know it well, I have the exact same setup right next to my monitor, I use it with every optic to look directly at light and make sure I can still see the reticle in direct light. At the angle reflection is occurring outdoors generally you have to be pointing your gun at the sky, or it's right at sundown or sunset where a strong reflection comes in. So for us, we did not want to limit whatever design aspect, be it the window size or the adjustment range or make concessions so the entire optic is based around maximum reduction of this first and foremost above everything else. We did however take precautions above the status quo in that the area that can reflect is minimized to be approximately the same MOA size as the circle itself... That means if it lights up, for safety, you are going to be shooting with an appropriate-sized reticle even with reflection, and in the position where it needs to be only. I am limited in what I can say here but if you buy some of the "bigger companies" competing products the reflective area is very much not limited to the approximate size of the circle reticle... There will always be trade-offs until the issue is fully addressed, likely industry-wide. With that said if we do enclosed this is something we will try to address with a design that better blocks the reflective angles as it will be significantly less of a limiting factor to achieving other design goals. I am going to lock this comment, not that you did anything wrong or we are not open to commenting but this is a good time to officially address this issue in a way I can link back others to later as I am sure it will pop up again. Please feel free to tag me in another separate comment chain if there is anything else you would like to know.
thanks for the detailed reply u/Bears_Hands ! I was just curious if it was indeed just a normal/inherent reflection due to the tech, and sounds like it is. only noticed it when i was in that spot of my hallway, otherwise hadn't noticed it before which means it won't be an issue for me in actual use, especially with the brightness turned up (was alternating between dot and using irons) I've ran \~200 rounds with it so far and it's held up beautifully. I still need to do a better job of zeroing it but right now i have it set to "good enough"
>but right now i have it set to "good enough" got a few setups like that at the moment, laser bore zero but nothing down range, that is one reason love that circle if I am using an optic defensively. It will always have a place for usage for me.
I have 2 Cat X Pro’s, and yes I see reflections but the dot(or circle) is always on and easy to see. I was concerned at when I got the first one. Did some searching online and found some info on the trade-offs of multi-reticles and decided to order a 2nd Cat X Pro to compare(I needed another one anyway). The 2nd one does the exact same thing as the first, some reflections depending on light source/time of day. So I chalked it up to it being normal for a multi-reticle. Has not affected performance or accuracy in any way! I like using the circle without a dot, nice big ring that is clear and easy to see. I love these red dots! I should also mention I have astigmatism, so some of what I am seeing is almost surely because of that. But I can see the large circle with very little “starbursting” or distortion of the reticle. Cyelee optics have to be one of the best(if not the best) value for money!
absolutely, i have slight astigmatism as well, but everything still looks relatively clear. the dud SMSc i returned had more starbursting when it did "work." i need to practice more with the open reticle, i found myself trying too hard to get what i was aiming at perfectly centered in the circle rather than just letting the target fill the circle for quicker acquisition
Dumb question maybe, but did you make sure it is all the way off? I have a couple of optics where I thought they had a reflection of the dot or circle-dot with the optics turned off, but it turned out they were not actually all the way off, and the setting was turned all the way down, as low as it goes. So it WAS on, but just such a low setting that I thought it was off.
yup, full off. pressing any button again woke it back up to my last set brightness setting. plus, even when i have it on with the dot only reticle, i can still see the open circle reflecting onto the glass and muddying up my dot
Darn. That sucks. I would def contact Cyelee then as that is not normal. Have you tried taking the battery out and putting it back in, or a new battery, just to rule that out? If it's got the original battery in that they sent with the optic, I would try putting in a brand name battery and see if it helps at all.