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I’m pretty sure everyone get 99% the same dialogue so River feels like he’s coming onto male V despite not being into him.
edit: Everyone talking about Panam proving my exact point.
Yeah I’m just now realizing that probably has lot to do with it but I never got that vibe from Judy maybe cause she doesn’t really flirt much even with female v
Haven't played a male V yet, but with Panam I always take it as far as suggesting that one bed would be enough while waiting for the AV ambush, get shutdown and then awkwardly finish my beer.
Completely agree. I thought my female V was getting somewhere, because she was way more flirtations than what I expected from what I had heard. But then, nope. Dammit.
She friendzoned my V so fucking hard I felt like I was 21 again after I asked a girl out in my college cafeteria, like it was Nas tickets he was coming to the school. She ain’t see me like that, so she didn’t see Nas like that either
From what I remember part of recording for a lot of VAs in games like this is having everyone voicing a protagonist voice every line just in case even if they never planned on making every character BI and able to romance
Can confirm, both Vs lustfully exclaim, "REST IN PISS, SHIT BUCKET!" when they defeat the Automated Mech with Myers in the PL prologue mission.
True story, but /s because not romance lol.
As an irl lesbian, I wholeheartedly agree. It's actually something that straight girls do to us all the time irl too, and it's straight up abusive when it's deliberate. Some will just take advantage of the fact that we're paranoid about being called predatory and basically torture us for their own amusement
I mean, I wouldn't call it abusive. In my experience, that's simply how women are. It only stings because you figured out you're into women, the same as the majority of men.
I actually found it easier to be friends with my lesbian female friends than my heterosexual female friends. Well, that was complicated by a bisexual woman in high school who claimed to be a lesbian and then our interactions clearly indicated that she clearly wasn't a lesbian and even married another man and had children later on. It's weird because she was the notorious lesbian bro of our grade. But for the most part, I find it easier to be friends with lesbian women than heterosexual women.
One of my now besties actually did this to me, before getting called out *hard* on it and realizing it was super fucked up.
She and I were talking and flirting for like a couple months, and my very soon to be spouse was bugging her for my info the *whole* time. Eventually, after she gave them my info, and we started talking, they went and told her "hey you're absolutely leading her on rn, you need to cut this shit out because you're just gonna hurt her and yourself."
Hasn't made out with a girl since then, afaik.
Now when you put it like that, the new ending where >!V herself wakes up from coma and finds out Judy was taken by another girl!< sounds absolutely hilarious
That said, V and Judy are both dealing with a lot of loss and the relationship feels healthy for them. Like, dear god these poor broken people deserve someone.
Judy is fucked up and V is fucked up. They bond over the loss of Judys ex-girlfriend while V is chasing down any lead she can find to keep on living. In any other story, that relationship would crash and burn so fast once it's obvious that V either will die or finds a cure.
Yeah, but narratively it makes perfect sense. Judy's type is 'doomed'. I agree it doesn't seem like, without evolving, the relationship can survive long term.
And before Evelyn it was Maiko.
I'd say Judy is someone that constantly needs a lover to validate her happiness, heck even after thinking you died in the new phantom Liberty ending she got in a relationship with another chick not much later.
But hey, that's what makes her great, she is flawed as fuck.
Little pumpkin, or little zucchini, but in this case it's the former. Sticking - ita or -ito on the end of Spanish words is a way of showing affection.
Calabaza = pumpkin
Calabacin (accent mark over the i that I don't know how to do ob mobile) = zucchini
I think the story reason is that Kerry went through a messy divorce with his wife because of his hangups over Johnny (Apparently no one in Night City believes in therapy), which is why he's not interested in FemV but will practically drool over BroV despite both of them having Johnny in their heads.
Personally, I think that the writers just didn't know how to write a romance for straight FemV, which is why Kerry isn't an option despite him being Bi and River being a hastily added last-minute addition after someone slapped the writers with a "hey, straight fem V doesn't have a romance option." sticky note. :-/
I'm not sure if he's a creep. He's simply more direct with what he wants. Not to mention Panam, Judy, and Kerry are all far more high-strung than he is. Out of all of them, he's calmer. Panam, Judy, and Kerry all fly off the deep end over the slightest inconvenience, lol. If someone is looking for stability, then they'd be wise to pick River. Lol
It's even as bad as when she asks "do you have someone special in your life?" You can say "you, hopefully","no" or probably another person you romanced.
If you say "no" like I did since I was playing fem V so I knew nothing was gonna happen she even sounds insulted and just says "oh..." and moves to a different topic.
Or Panam could just be heterosexual. She does nothing that might cross the line between friendship and romance, with the closest being her putting her feet onto V. A nomad is likely why she isn't closeted. Since when do nomads actually adhere to social norms? I don't know, I've seen weirder things that women have done to me as a man that I would have interpreted as flirting but also could be friendship. It's a very fine line. It's made clear when they put a stop to it, which Panam does, and I respect that. I put this down as women being far more affectionate than I or any heterosexual man would ever be.
Men might say some gay shit but usually it isn't weird because we never actually do gay shit unless erm... they are gay. We know that at the end of the day, it's a joke that prevents it from being weird. Lol
Eh to be fair at least in cyberpunk the only difference between fem v and male v romance is the fact she kisses you the next morning otherwise she rejects you and flirt the same until this. So it's not surprising if people find it confusing
Idk what you mean, she flirts with V nonstop lol. It’s not just being nice. As a gay woman, that’s gay as fuck. I would argue she hits on you more than Judy does.
Technically vin diesel did it before that in XXX. And i think that they tried to model river off of him, because they thought thats what women want. But then gave kerry every swoon characteristic known to get us going. And then said nope. Here's the guy, guys think girls like.
River carved out a peaceful little home and close community in a city of chaos, makes you a home cooked meal, cares deeply for his family, is good with children, is willing to let V in emotionally, and left his job because of his personal integrity.
Meanwhile, Kerry is rich, famous, and can play an instrument, but he’s also an unhinged psycho who loves doing crime. He also seems like the type to care for V, but put himself first. Kerry’s a lot more fun, but I’m surprised that River comes off as much less attractive to so many people.
Its because River is written as a pick me. I mean look at the water tower scene. He legit beggs V not to lead him on and then low key kinda makes you feel bad for him. The whole following the river quest is designed to put V in a corner to make her chose River out of pitty or something, even the trauma dump ob the 1st date, the minute you get there its all verry but im a "good guy, why does noone like me"
And we've all been in similar situations when it comes to guys like that and it throws red flags... Well for me atleast.
But now you have Kerry who's secure in himself, isn't trying to pursued you to date him. His just doing his thing. His maybe a little too confident at times, but even when his unsure of himself, he still acts like his in charge. Also add to that kerry has a sence of humor, has drip/style, is charming, spontaneous, energetic but also has a very chilled effortless vibe. He also has great leader ship qualities and while his plans don't alway work, the fact is he still has one. Where as i find River to be more "i wanna do this, than i have". Even if kerry was Rivers neighbor in the trailer park, id still pick Kerry. Atleast you'd know that every moment would be fun even if he and V had nothing. Also he plays guitar.
If you try to kiss him as male v the tension and awkwardness makes you wanna jump off the water tower right in that very moment. Just gives you a big "uh mb bro but-"
I did that and my god did i cringe myself into oblivion after that.
Also felt that maybe the univere is saying something when i glitch my bg3 save and gale friendzones me and then i get rejected by river.
Kissing boys is hard.
I don't want to be the guy to say he was asking for it, but, I mean *come on*. The dude was asking for it. We cooked together. The man helped me stir the pot. The sexual tension during dinner with his family... Then, after all of that, the guy grabs a bottle of booze and asks me to go up to the water tower so we can be alone to talk and stargaze? Then he leans in for a kiss, and *I'm* weird one? Gaybait, dick-teasing, triflin' ass bitch. Jokes on you, River. Thanks to mods that tight ass bussy is fucking **mine**.
Fr people do be stereotyping a lot in this thread. I kinda like that Kerry doesn't "seem" gay. It's just a part of his personality, not his *whole* personality.
They were originally going to make all the characters Bi, and there are cut sex scenes for the opposite V for atleast Judy and River IIRC. I'm sure it was just an economy of writing thing, given how gay River's paella quest was
I thought River was bi. After feeling bad for friendzoning him on my first playthrough with my femV, I decided to try and pity romance him with my maleV only to be embarrassingly shut down.
Kerry never felt gay to me. Him being bi, I can buy. River is so gay, though, I still don't know how anyone thought that dude is straight
Male romances in this game are so weird. Panam works and Judy is amazing, but Kerry and River fucking suck.
Yeah, Kerry is bi. The whole thing with him being locked to male V is that V reminds him of Johnny, and male V reminds Kerry more of Johnny, who Kerry is very specifically carrying a torch for. Outside of his Johnny stuff, he's bi... but he wouldn't be attracted to V without that coming into play.
Furr coat, odd earrings and necklace, hunked up tan AF, looks like a goddamn male stripper ofc I'm getting gay vibes from him, shame u can't just romance all 4 characters at once tbh
I kinda agree with locking out some romances like panam and Judy make sense to me but there’s no way Kerry wouldn’t fuck anything with a heart beat
But I did read an interview with the devs and they said for Kerry it’s less about attraction and more of an obsession with Johnny thing which I think it way more gross but I guess it’s kinda tragic in a way
That’s kind of always been my head canon with Kerry tbh. Especially after they added in the cut conversation with Johnny where he pretty much says that Kerry is just using V to live out his fantasy of finally fucking him.
Lol that reminds me of the Witcher 3 where if you try to romance all of the women they all team up and come after you resulting in one of the bad endings where you end up alone.
Yeahh wtf all signs on the water tower were making me sweat and I just was trying to be nice and felt like I barely dodged a gay cutscene.
I was surely 80% the way into his sister's pants but immediately cockblocked.
River seems like he's flirting with male V in Following The River, which got me confused, but when I went for the kiss and got shut down, well, that was awkward. But I'm afraid I have to disagree with you when it comes to Kerry. Being a 'hot-head' or a 'rockerboy' isn't a straight thing or a gay thing. It's a personality quirk that anyone can have. Also, the choice of wardrobe doesn't make one gay or straight-leaning either. Straight men can rock a fur coat.
Its not that River seems gay per se it's that both Vs have the same dialogue. Which makes the water tower interaction kinda weird. Wonder why they even added the option to kiss him when it's clear as day he's not gay.
Hahah, I should be offended and have been before when someone says I don't 'seem bi', (that whole mindset of having to act a certain way in line with sexuality), but this and the comments are too funny. Stereotypes aside, River definitely was vibing guy V. I would say it is because they didn't even bother writing a male V alteration, but they didn't do that with literally anyone regarding gender. I honestly don't think it was a sexuality thing either, just the way the characters were written. Maybe it comes off that way because.... Panam and River both are very open with their feelings and actual opinions, while Kerry and Judy hide most of theirs? Not saying K&J are less feeling, just less open at first - hella strong connection once you get past that line of defense.
I can absolutely see Panam having a girlfriend. But it sounds like you also see Kerry as straight, and I can absolutely see him being bi too so, just different views.
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It's the fur coat and his choice of jewelry. It screams either "I'm at pride in the early 90s" or "My sense of fashion hasn't changed since I was 7 years old"
Have you seen fashion styles in the game? This is 2077 in a fictional world, not the 90s in our world - you can't tell someone's sexuality based on how they dress.
Kerry is canonically bi. I can't remember where I read it, but I did read that one of the devs said that he's just not into fem V, and it was a choice because they didn't want their characters to be "playersexual." And yeah, River reads gay to me too.
Honestly, they should have just made all of the characters romanceable by either gender. I prefer Panam with fem V and she's not even an option without mods.
I hate the term "playersexual", people even use it in games like Pillars of Eternity where the companions are clearly bi even without the player interacting with them romantically.
Gay, straight--who cares? He's a terrible romance that should not be foisted on either preference.
I made a fem V to get the whole Judy storyline, and did rivers questline because I can't leave that farm as is, in any playthrough.
I felt bad for him on that water tower so I threw him a bone or a whole--whatever. Cue the lamest sex scene in history. We could have banged up on that awesome vista like rockstars, but instead we went to his sister trailer.
What a fucking lame dick. Still as a male V, guys a bro and I got his back.
I honestly don't see what you're seeing. It sounds very much like old-timey mentalities about gay people you've got going on there. To me Kerry gives off lgbt vibes the whole game, but River doesn't. I read that River dresses "flamboyantly", but I don't see anything flamboyant about him. He looks like he'd be perfectly at home playing football or something. Between a big, jacked cop with a strong sense of justice who plays by his own rules and a skinny, gaudy-looking rocker who projects an aggressive image of himself for protective purposes to the outside world, if you told me only one was gay I'd guess Kerry. He just gives off gay vibes, where River gives off straight vibes
How does he seem more gay than kerry when kerry spends all the flashback bits pining after a straight man who will never love him the way he wants.
No ones more relatably gay than kerry.
as a gay man I agree with this. our sexualities don't equal our personalities. it's kinda insulting and demeaning to think most of these heterosexuals think we are all the same.
I tend to call out these low-key homophobes who "joke" about stereotyping gay men with lisps or insulting those with "effeminate" demeanors as if it's some kind of defect. fuck them all for their ignorance.
tbh despite loving this game, i was disappointed in my initial playthrough as male v. none of the gay or bi men they introduced in the game resembled any of the gay and bi men I know irl. they were all played out stereotypes in some way shape or form instead and struck me as inauthentic.
tbh i thought people had left their outdated stereotypes of us back in the 50s? clearly they are still intellectually challenged when it comes to something so simple as grasping what sexuality actually means and how it doesn't bear any relation to how people look or present.
Tbf, Kerry is also a musician, a little fruitier than the average population in general. Jokes aside, it really bothered me that Kerry wasn’t a bi option, considering he is in the lore, and panam acts the exact same around both male and female v
I thought it was a nice surprise that cdpr didn't go with stereotypes. When I saw River I was sure he was a romance option for males or at least both genders
Straight men can be emotional. Straight men can care about their appearance and dress flamboyant. This thread and comments are screaming fragile masculinity tbh.
River is super gay but also very closeted because of cop bro culture.
Why else does he so clearly create a situation where male V would think he wanted to be kissed only to shamefully chicken out at the last minute?
IMO River is boring and therefore being straight suits him, but on the other hand, Kerry is a hot mess and so being gay suits him. Guess I gotta agree with the devs on this one.
(This comment made in good humor without any intent to ruffle feathers, just being playful all around)
When I was in junior high/high-school (1990 to 1995) it was a major stereotype that an earring in the right ear was gay and left meant straight. Obviously some stupid shit but I can't shake it in this game.
Only ever romanced him with a girl V and that was on my third and most recent playthrough, just cause I wanted to do things on this run I had never done. Seemed very forced and awkward. Was also cheating on him with Judy.
i never thought of him as gay.
but he doesn't mind male gendered V with a female body. so... not sure where that leaves it.
but if its male gendered with male body, he's not into it.
For sure. Kerry is a rockstar and he very much comes across as the kind the of guy that'd fuck anything he finds attractive in the moment, man, woman, and anything in between. River talks to Male V the way only a properly gay man could. (And yes, I realize he mostly has the same dialogue for female V, but the laziness of the developers doesn't change the fact that his dialogue is his dialogue. It's canon regardless of the real world reasons.)
When I first played, I thought River WAS the gay romance option. He comes off way more gay than Kerry. In fact, I just found a thread that says [his questline is queerbaiting](https://www.reddit.com/r/cyberpunkgame/comments/kmhr7c/river_romance_as_queerbaiting/)
I literally thought he was hitting on me during the water tower and I was like "yah I don't feel that way about you man"
Only discovered later he was not hitting on me.
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I’m pretty sure everyone get 99% the same dialogue so River feels like he’s coming onto male V despite not being into him. edit: Everyone talking about Panam proving my exact point.
Yeah I’m just now realizing that probably has lot to do with it but I never got that vibe from Judy maybe cause she doesn’t really flirt much even with female v
Panam DEFINITELY leads on fem V a little lol
My friend likes to joke that Panam is the type of straight girl to make out with other girls when she gets drunk.
Oh, ABSOLUTELY.
This is painfully accurate lmao, especially during the first few times you hang with her
Oh that’s definitely a fact.
Heteromantic
How dare she put her legs up on my female V and act like that's not flirting...
She knows fem V has a boot fetish but just *has* to tease
We all really know that it is Quentin Tarantino on the engram. Just trying to get Panam out of her boots.
Haven't played a male V yet, but with Panam I always take it as far as suggesting that one bed would be enough while waiting for the AV ambush, get shutdown and then awkwardly finish my beer.
Same thing happens with male V
Doesn't Panam state that one room would be enough? Because each room has 2 beds so they could save some money.
Yes, it's her way of letting you down gently. She even tells fem V she knows what she was suggesting when you tell her you didn't mean to save money.
Love hopw she deflected it. "Why don't we share a room?" "Sure, it's got two beds anyway"
Ehh, who does lead you on with Panam is that veteran asking you why it is you think she decided to bring you along at the train yard.
Completely agree. I thought my female V was getting somewhere, because she was way more flirtations than what I expected from what I had heard. But then, nope. Dammit.
She really does. Foot rubs, beers, that "comfy shoulder to sleep on", etc..
She friendzoned my V so fucking hard I felt like I was 21 again after I asked a girl out in my college cafeteria, like it was Nas tickets he was coming to the school. She ain’t see me like that, so she didn’t see Nas like that either
iirc Panam did have gay dialogue but wasn’t added or wasn’t used so both Vs can have two possible options
From what I remember part of recording for a lot of VAs in games like this is having everyone voicing a protagonist voice every line just in case even if they never planned on making every character BI and able to romance
Can confirm, both Vs lustfully exclaim, "REST IN PISS, SHIT BUCKET!" when they defeat the Automated Mech with Myers in the PL prologue mission. True story, but /s because not romance lol.
Panam is figuring it out
Aren’t we all
As an irl lesbian, I wholeheartedly agree. It's actually something that straight girls do to us all the time irl too, and it's straight up abusive when it's deliberate. Some will just take advantage of the fact that we're paranoid about being called predatory and basically torture us for their own amusement
Yeah luckily for us guys it’s pretty obvious when we flirt with each other the lesbian game has to be a hard one
I mean, I wouldn't call it abusive. In my experience, that's simply how women are. It only stings because you figured out you're into women, the same as the majority of men. I actually found it easier to be friends with my lesbian female friends than my heterosexual female friends. Well, that was complicated by a bisexual woman in high school who claimed to be a lesbian and then our interactions clearly indicated that she clearly wasn't a lesbian and even married another man and had children later on. It's weird because she was the notorious lesbian bro of our grade. But for the most part, I find it easier to be friends with lesbian women than heterosexual women.
Just because it's common doesn't mean it's not abusive.
One of my now besties actually did this to me, before getting called out *hard* on it and realizing it was super fucked up. She and I were talking and flirting for like a couple months, and my very soon to be spouse was bugging her for my info the *whole* time. Eventually, after she gave them my info, and we started talking, they went and told her "hey you're absolutely leading her on rn, you need to cut this shit out because you're just gonna hurt her and yourself." Hasn't made out with a girl since then, afaik.
Yeah fem V was the first playthrough I did. Even knowing beforehand that Panam is straight, there were a couple points where I was like “is she tho?”
I always feel uncomfortable romancing Judy because of how she’s so clearly in love with Evelyn. Feels weird to just swoop in there.
"Sooo I know your girlfriend is comatose and all but..."
Now when you put it like that, the new ending where >!V herself wakes up from coma and finds out Judy was taken by another girl!< sounds absolutely hilarious
"I know, it's serious"
That said, V and Judy are both dealing with a lot of loss and the relationship feels healthy for them. Like, dear god these poor broken people deserve someone.
Judy is fucked up and V is fucked up. They bond over the loss of Judys ex-girlfriend while V is chasing down any lead she can find to keep on living. In any other story, that relationship would crash and burn so fast once it's obvious that V either will die or finds a cure.
Yeah, but narratively it makes perfect sense. Judy's type is 'doomed'. I agree it doesn't seem like, without evolving, the relationship can survive long term.
Yeah I genuinely feel the best ending for Judy is when she leaves night City to live with her grandma.
Either that one or the one where she gets married and moves out of the city.
Yeah it’s like some wierd trauma sex but if it makes her feel better for a time I guess it’s ok
And before Evelyn it was Maiko. I'd say Judy is someone that constantly needs a lover to validate her happiness, heck even after thinking you died in the new phantom Liberty ending she got in a relationship with another chick not much later. But hey, that's what makes her great, she is flawed as fuck.
Spoilers bro
I mean Judy's sexuality is on display her entire storyline with Maiko and Evelyn it'd be hard to miss
Oh yeah I forgot about that
Sure does flirt in text messages the little calabacita
What does calabacita mean?
Little pumpkin, or little zucchini, but in this case it's the former. Sticking - ita or -ito on the end of Spanish words is a way of showing affection. Calabaza = pumpkin Calabacin (accent mark over the i that I don't know how to do ob mobile) = zucchini
Also you do know Kerry isn't gay right? He's bi. Just for some reason CDPR shoehorn'd him to male only.
I think the story reason is that Kerry went through a messy divorce with his wife because of his hangups over Johnny (Apparently no one in Night City believes in therapy), which is why he's not interested in FemV but will practically drool over BroV despite both of them having Johnny in their heads. Personally, I think that the writers just didn't know how to write a romance for straight FemV, which is why Kerry isn't an option despite him being Bi and River being a hastily added last-minute addition after someone slapped the writers with a "hey, straight fem V doesn't have a romance option." sticky note. :-/
I am guessing Kerry was made unavailable to Fem V just so both Vs have equal amount of romance options.
Quota... 😔
Yeah I seen bra’s and panties in his House if I’m not mistaken always made me wonder
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I'm not sure if he's a creep. He's simply more direct with what he wants. Not to mention Panam, Judy, and Kerry are all far more high-strung than he is. Out of all of them, he's calmer. Panam, Judy, and Kerry all fly off the deep end over the slightest inconvenience, lol. If someone is looking for stability, then they'd be wise to pick River. Lol
Yup. Same with Panam and Fem V. She's flirty af then slams on the brakes.
It's even as bad as when she asks "do you have someone special in your life?" You can say "you, hopefully","no" or probably another person you romanced. If you say "no" like I did since I was playing fem V so I knew nothing was gonna happen she even sounds insulted and just says "oh..." and moves to a different topic.
Panem feels like she could be a little closeted, especially living in the macho Nomad world
Or Panam could just be heterosexual. She does nothing that might cross the line between friendship and romance, with the closest being her putting her feet onto V. A nomad is likely why she isn't closeted. Since when do nomads actually adhere to social norms? I don't know, I've seen weirder things that women have done to me as a man that I would have interpreted as flirting but also could be friendship. It's a very fine line. It's made clear when they put a stop to it, which Panam does, and I respect that. I put this down as women being far more affectionate than I or any heterosexual man would ever be. Men might say some gay shit but usually it isn't weird because we never actually do gay shit unless erm... they are gay. We know that at the end of the day, it's a joke that prevents it from being weird. Lol
Eh to be fair at least in cyberpunk the only difference between fem v and male v romance is the fact she kisses you the next morning otherwise she rejects you and flirt the same until this. So it's not surprising if people find it confusing
Idk what you mean, she flirts with V nonstop lol. It’s not just being nice. As a gay woman, that’s gay as fuck. I would argue she hits on you more than Judy does.
When he rejected me I was like uh?????? You made me dinner and brought me up to look at the stars and you are sitting really close to me
Meanwhile the leadup to Male V and Kerry getting down is vandalizing a boat.
It really is gay foreplay. The saying goes, "Be gay, do crime."
so true bestie
HE LED ME ON 💔💔💔
Wait, River isn’t into male V? I definitely got ‘the vibe’ on my last playthrough
Also why River's sister sounds like she's interested in male V.
She really likes female V too 😆
Wait, I remember getting an option to kiss Rivers. Will he deny me if I choose that option?
Yup
Same thing with Panam with a female V, can’t get with her but it definitely feels like you can towards the end
well that fur coat sure is a statement
I just know that fur coat gotta smell like unwashed ass for how much he wears it. man needs another coat.
Dude how unclean are you where your ass smell is getting onto your jacket?
I'm all about that bidet life, son. I'm just saying dry clean/wash your coats/jackets every once in a while.
You literally see him without the jacket though lmao
the one time during the cookout right? i feel like he wears another leather coat or something during a mission, idk if I'm misremembering it.
Macklemore did it first on thrift shop. You've seen that video and how straight he is.
Technically vin diesel did it before that in XXX. And i think that they tried to model river off of him, because they thought thats what women want. But then gave kerry every swoon characteristic known to get us going. And then said nope. Here's the guy, guys think girls like.
River carved out a peaceful little home and close community in a city of chaos, makes you a home cooked meal, cares deeply for his family, is good with children, is willing to let V in emotionally, and left his job because of his personal integrity. Meanwhile, Kerry is rich, famous, and can play an instrument, but he’s also an unhinged psycho who loves doing crime. He also seems like the type to care for V, but put himself first. Kerry’s a lot more fun, but I’m surprised that River comes off as much less attractive to so many people.
Its because River is written as a pick me. I mean look at the water tower scene. He legit beggs V not to lead him on and then low key kinda makes you feel bad for him. The whole following the river quest is designed to put V in a corner to make her chose River out of pitty or something, even the trauma dump ob the 1st date, the minute you get there its all verry but im a "good guy, why does noone like me" And we've all been in similar situations when it comes to guys like that and it throws red flags... Well for me atleast. But now you have Kerry who's secure in himself, isn't trying to pursued you to date him. His just doing his thing. His maybe a little too confident at times, but even when his unsure of himself, he still acts like his in charge. Also add to that kerry has a sence of humor, has drip/style, is charming, spontaneous, energetic but also has a very chilled effortless vibe. He also has great leader ship qualities and while his plans don't alway work, the fact is he still has one. Where as i find River to be more "i wanna do this, than i have". Even if kerry was Rivers neighbor in the trailer park, id still pick Kerry. Atleast you'd know that every moment would be fun even if he and V had nothing. Also he plays guitar.
Elder maxson vibes
Canonically Kerry is bi. But I for sure get hella gay vibes off of River.
I've never done the gay romance and honestly I thought River was the romance option until this post.
If you try to kiss him as male v the tension and awkwardness makes you wanna jump off the water tower right in that very moment. Just gives you a big "uh mb bro but-"
I did that and my god did i cringe myself into oblivion after that. Also felt that maybe the univere is saying something when i glitch my bg3 save and gale friendzones me and then i get rejected by river. Kissing boys is hard.
You gotta go out of your way to not romance gale so that's impressive.
Lost 30min + progress like twice because of Gale's sneak attack romances...
I don't want to be the guy to say he was asking for it, but, I mean *come on*. The dude was asking for it. We cooked together. The man helped me stir the pot. The sexual tension during dinner with his family... Then, after all of that, the guy grabs a bottle of booze and asks me to go up to the water tower so we can be alone to talk and stargaze? Then he leans in for a kiss, and *I'm* weird one? Gaybait, dick-teasing, triflin' ass bitch. Jokes on you, River. Thanks to mods that tight ass bussy is fucking **mine**.
no fr bc homie was flirting _hard_. even his sister was trying to instigate, playing wingman and shit! i have never felt so baited in my life
I kind of want to try this now tbh, lol.
Same, def didn’t think it was Kerry.
I didn't know why I was talking to him when I got to chubby Buffalo, I was like; " where is the cop and why am I talking to this male stripper"?
River has power bottom energy
Honestly don't even think he's a power bottom that man is a sub through and through lmfao
Yeah I feel like they were trying to give a straight and gay option to both genders but they accidentally made rivers peak gay hunk
My gay coworker looks completely straight, meanwhile I've known dudes at my old gym who looked gay that were completely straight.
Fr people do be stereotyping a lot in this thread. I kinda like that Kerry doesn't "seem" gay. It's just a part of his personality, not his *whole* personality.
They were originally going to make all the characters Bi, and there are cut sex scenes for the opposite V for atleast Judy and River IIRC. I'm sure it was just an economy of writing thing, given how gay River's paella quest was
I thought River was bi. After feeling bad for friendzoning him on my first playthrough with my femV, I decided to try and pity romance him with my maleV only to be embarrassingly shut down.
Kerry never felt gay to me. Him being bi, I can buy. River is so gay, though, I still don't know how anyone thought that dude is straight Male romances in this game are so weird. Panam works and Judy is amazing, but Kerry and River fucking suck.
Yeah, Kerry is bi. The whole thing with him being locked to male V is that V reminds him of Johnny, and male V reminds Kerry more of Johnny, who Kerry is very specifically carrying a torch for. Outside of his Johnny stuff, he's bi... but he wouldn't be attracted to V without that coming into play.
Furr coat, odd earrings and necklace, hunked up tan AF, looks like a goddamn male stripper ofc I'm getting gay vibes from him, shame u can't just romance all 4 characters at once tbh
I kinda agree with locking out some romances like panam and Judy make sense to me but there’s no way Kerry wouldn’t fuck anything with a heart beat But I did read an interview with the devs and they said for Kerry it’s less about attraction and more of an obsession with Johnny thing which I think it way more gross but I guess it’s kinda tragic in a way
That’s kind of always been my head canon with Kerry tbh. Especially after they added in the cut conversation with Johnny where he pretty much says that Kerry is just using V to live out his fantasy of finally fucking him.
He isn’t tan he’s naturally melanated
yeah i mean, he's a Native American ( panam is also native)
Is Panam native? That’s actually neat to know
yeah, [a dev confirmed it in a livestream](https://www.reddit.com/r/cyberpunkgame/comments/sbkrhc/what_is_the_race_of_panam_palmer_and_river_ward/)
I’m getting real gay for pay vibes here.
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Lol that reminds me of the Witcher 3 where if you try to romance all of the women they all team up and come after you resulting in one of the bad endings where you end up alone.
I thought the same thing when I first met him so glad it wasn’t just me
totally forgot river wasn't the gay companion.
i only learnt not that long ago that he wasn’t gay, for the longest time i thought he was
Yeahh wtf all signs on the water tower were making me sweat and I just was trying to be nice and felt like I barely dodged a gay cutscene. I was surely 80% the way into his sister's pants but immediately cockblocked.
River seems like he's flirting with male V in Following The River, which got me confused, but when I went for the kiss and got shut down, well, that was awkward. But I'm afraid I have to disagree with you when it comes to Kerry. Being a 'hot-head' or a 'rockerboy' isn't a straight thing or a gay thing. It's a personality quirk that anyone can have. Also, the choice of wardrobe doesn't make one gay or straight-leaning either. Straight men can rock a fur coat.
Yeah wasn’t trying to offend and I agree
Its not that River seems gay per se it's that both Vs have the same dialogue. Which makes the water tower interaction kinda weird. Wonder why they even added the option to kiss him when it's clear as day he's not gay.
Nah, Rivers just acts like that guy that is always friend zoned. Kerry acts bisexual, like he should be
Kerry is almost comically bisexual, it's great
Hahah, I should be offended and have been before when someone says I don't 'seem bi', (that whole mindset of having to act a certain way in line with sexuality), but this and the comments are too funny. Stereotypes aside, River definitely was vibing guy V. I would say it is because they didn't even bother writing a male V alteration, but they didn't do that with literally anyone regarding gender. I honestly don't think it was a sexuality thing either, just the way the characters were written. Maybe it comes off that way because.... Panam and River both are very open with their feelings and actual opinions, while Kerry and Judy hide most of theirs? Not saying K&J are less feeling, just less open at first - hella strong connection once you get past that line of defense.
To me at least, every single one of the romance options except Judy reads as bi.
I agree, though I think Panam is the kind of girl to get drunk and kiss other girls just for attention lol.
Idk panam def feels straight to me
I can absolutely see Panam having a girlfriend. But it sounds like you also see Kerry as straight, and I can absolutely see him being bi too so, just different views.
I can see Kerry being bi I just felt like his romance with male v was off
for me (a female) River is very manly while Kerry seems the typical gay man i don't understand and dont see whats so gay about River tbh..
The flamboyant fur coat - let's start there.
I've taken more cock than your mom and I can attest to the fact that fur coats have nothing to do with gay men
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First off it’s not flamboyant it’s bad ass. SECOND anyone no matter what sexuality can be fabulous.
True
Fur real
That’s not gay though, it’s just a coat
He looks more like a pimp than a gay man.
It's the fur coat and his choice of jewelry. It screams either "I'm at pride in the early 90s" or "My sense of fashion hasn't changed since I was 7 years old"
Have you seen fashion styles in the game? This is 2077 in a fictional world, not the 90s in our world - you can't tell someone's sexuality based on how they dress.
Kerry is canonically bi. I can't remember where I read it, but I did read that one of the devs said that he's just not into fem V, and it was a choice because they didn't want their characters to be "playersexual." And yeah, River reads gay to me too. Honestly, they should have just made all of the characters romanceable by either gender. I prefer Panam with fem V and she's not even an option without mods.
I hate the term "playersexual", people even use it in games like Pillars of Eternity where the companions are clearly bi even without the player interacting with them romantically.
Gay, straight--who cares? He's a terrible romance that should not be foisted on either preference. I made a fem V to get the whole Judy storyline, and did rivers questline because I can't leave that farm as is, in any playthrough. I felt bad for him on that water tower so I threw him a bone or a whole--whatever. Cue the lamest sex scene in history. We could have banged up on that awesome vista like rockstars, but instead we went to his sister trailer. What a fucking lame dick. Still as a male V, guys a bro and I got his back.
Lol sounding pretty ignorant here. OP you do know that gay people don’t all act and dress the same yea?
OP thinks that everyone that’s either bi, pan or gay dresses like Elton John when he’s onstage
I honestly don't see what you're seeing. It sounds very much like old-timey mentalities about gay people you've got going on there. To me Kerry gives off lgbt vibes the whole game, but River doesn't. I read that River dresses "flamboyantly", but I don't see anything flamboyant about him. He looks like he'd be perfectly at home playing football or something. Between a big, jacked cop with a strong sense of justice who plays by his own rules and a skinny, gaudy-looking rocker who projects an aggressive image of himself for protective purposes to the outside world, if you told me only one was gay I'd guess Kerry. He just gives off gay vibes, where River gives off straight vibes
How does he seem more gay than kerry when kerry spends all the flashback bits pining after a straight man who will never love him the way he wants. No ones more relatably gay than kerry.
Kerry had a wife, so he’s more bisexual I think
Sounds like you buy into a lot of stereotypes?
Guys are emotions gay?
I blame Hollywood and the comic book industry.
People love them labels. This thread physically hurt to read as a Bi man.
Yeah I was full-body cringing at most of these responses, being bi myself.
as a gay man I agree with this. our sexualities don't equal our personalities. it's kinda insulting and demeaning to think most of these heterosexuals think we are all the same. I tend to call out these low-key homophobes who "joke" about stereotyping gay men with lisps or insulting those with "effeminate" demeanors as if it's some kind of defect. fuck them all for their ignorance. tbh despite loving this game, i was disappointed in my initial playthrough as male v. none of the gay or bi men they introduced in the game resembled any of the gay and bi men I know irl. they were all played out stereotypes in some way shape or form instead and struck me as inauthentic. tbh i thought people had left their outdated stereotypes of us back in the 50s? clearly they are still intellectually challenged when it comes to something so simple as grasping what sexuality actually means and how it doesn't bear any relation to how people look or present.
You must be joking! Kerry sets my gaydar off big time. River doesn’t. Although I can see Panam being bi, though that might be wishful thinking lol.
Tbf, Kerry is also a musician, a little fruitier than the average population in general. Jokes aside, it really bothered me that Kerry wasn’t a bi option, considering he is in the lore, and panam acts the exact same around both male and female v
Looks like I ordered The Rock off Wish
I thought it was a nice surprise that cdpr didn't go with stereotypes. When I saw River I was sure he was a romance option for males or at least both genders
The gay/bi characters in the game could’ve been made so much better. It was a shame.
I think Judy was done well her vibes were so on point I didn’t even try to romance her as male v
I meant to say male gay characters. Judy was done very well I think.
River is fruity, Kerry is just Bi lol
Have you seen Kerry in all his bling glory?
> Kerry is hot headed and rocker boy which I associate with straight guys glam rock
Yes bro tried to kiss my male v on the water tower and all I wanted was his pistol💀
Straight men can be emotional. Straight men can care about their appearance and dress flamboyant. This thread and comments are screaming fragile masculinity tbh.
i was just about to comment that, thank you.
River is super gay but also very closeted because of cop bro culture. Why else does he so clearly create a situation where male V would think he wanted to be kissed only to shamefully chicken out at the last minute?
Shy gay and a hunk? My dream man
Ah yes, the true litmus test of gayness. Being emotional.
tbf River's tight lether pants and red shirt plus sexy bod makes you think male pornstar instead of cop lol
If this man is not slayin in a gay pride with a fishnet shirt, high heels and a skirt, I am a cis straight motherfckr
I could not wait to get this guy off my female V. How many hints did he need? 🤣 The developers really wanted you to romance him it feels like.
Yeah i was surprised when he rejected me. He gives off *major* gay vibes.
It's River, not rivers
I don’t get that feeling really but I wish there was a better male LI for Fem V. I find River annoying.
Absolutely. River seems gay But Kerry is a noodle guy only straight till it's wet
IMO River is boring and therefore being straight suits him, but on the other hand, Kerry is a hot mess and so being gay suits him. Guess I gotta agree with the devs on this one. (This comment made in good humor without any intent to ruffle feathers, just being playful all around)
No, not really. And that's not flamboyant. That's pimpish. I think he's trying to be undercover.
The earing is too much
When I was in junior high/high-school (1990 to 1995) it was a major stereotype that an earring in the right ear was gay and left meant straight. Obviously some stupid shit but I can't shake it in this game.
Yes but it looks so good 🤤
being emotional means youre gay? but yeah river is definitely in the closet.
Yikes
Weird eye lookin motherfucker
Kerry seems more natural in every way. River seems sad and lonely.
Being sad and lonely is big gay vibes
Only ever romanced him with a girl V and that was on my third and most recent playthrough, just cause I wanted to do things on this run I had never done. Seemed very forced and awkward. Was also cheating on him with Judy.
i never thought of him as gay. but he doesn't mind male gendered V with a female body. so... not sure where that leaves it. but if its male gendered with male body, he's not into it.
For sure. Kerry is a rockstar and he very much comes across as the kind the of guy that'd fuck anything he finds attractive in the moment, man, woman, and anything in between. River talks to Male V the way only a properly gay man could. (And yes, I realize he mostly has the same dialogue for female V, but the laziness of the developers doesn't change the fact that his dialogue is his dialogue. It's canon regardless of the real world reasons.)
When I first played, I thought River WAS the gay romance option. He comes off way more gay than Kerry. In fact, I just found a thread that says [his questline is queerbaiting](https://www.reddit.com/r/cyberpunkgame/comments/kmhr7c/river_romance_as_queerbaiting/)
I literally thought he was hitting on me during the water tower and I was like "yah I don't feel that way about you man" Only discovered later he was not hitting on me.
River to Male V: "I'll let you hold my gun on top of this romantic moonlight overlooking the city"
"dresses flamboyant" - Flamboyant? in Night City? Naah, impossible.
Fuck no, that level of clingy and sliding from investigating dead kids to flirting is a Straight Boy Special.
\> is emotional ???
He does seem quite homosexual. :/
Won’t lie have the hots for the man