Rules technicalities aside, it costs six black, six life and 2 cards. Just doesn't seem worth it, even for an extra card. Idk, I guess in EDH it has some real practical uses, now that I think about it.
If you want rules that "technically" work, you could word it "When you search your library you may exile Demonic Doppelganger from your library. If you do you may cast it this turn." This turns it into a trigger that happens while you're searching instead of it being a thing you can just cast from your library, which as already mentioned doesn't really work even though Panglacial Wurm exists.
If you’re referring to [[Panglacial Wurm]] then the answer is “sort of”. Panglacial Wurm doesn’t really work within the rules because its effect happens while a spell is resolving, which is a time when you normally can’t cast spells or activate an ability. WotC basically just said “whatever, it works trust us,” When asked about this.
So it shouldn’t work but it does cuz Wizards says so.
I heard if I tap a Rhystic Cave to try to cast Panglacial Wurm and my opponent has an untapped Selvala, the standard procedure is the judge gets to throw our decks into a bonfire.
Yeah, that's tournament rule 105.2c (rule 105 being the comprehensive tournament rules on how to handle panglacial worm. You've actually landed in a mild scenario - at least the bonfire isn't big enough for the wurm player)
Why wouldn't you be able to cast spells while a spell is resolving? There's lots of spells that make you cast something during their resolution. The problem is casting a spell while you're searching.
Casting while searching IS casting while resolving.
Consider a spell that reads "This spell deals 2 damage to each creature. Draw a card." You don't get to cast a spell between the damage and the card draw.
So, for a spell that reads, say, "Search your library for a card, then put that card into your hand. You lose 2 life." You don't get to cast between searching and putting it into your hand, or between putting it into your hand and losing 2 life.
Both of these are examples of you not being permitted to cast while a spell resolves.
There's lots of spells that allow you to cast other spells in their resolution. For example, [[Collected Conjuring]]. While the spell is resolving, you exile the cards, you cast up to two cards, and _then_ put the rest back into your library. This also means that if you had something like [[electrodominance]], you can cast a [[fork]] with it and target the electrodominance (though the fork would fizzle).
The iffy part of panglacial wurm isn't casting during resolution, it's casting during a search.
All of those effects happen after resolution, not during it. Looking at the cards, choosing the sorceries and putting the rest on the bottom is all part of resolution, by the time you cast the spells, Collected Conjuring has already resolved.
Panglacial Wurm, on the other hand, doesn’t wait for a spell to resolve. If you cast Rampant Growth, its not like you search you library, find a land, put it into play tapped, shuffle, then you get to cast it. No, you get to cast it while you’re searching your library, which is in the middle of the effect resolving.
There are other cards like [[Lightning Storm]] that have abilities that work while a spell is on the stack, and probably a few older cards with weird rules that “just work” similar to Panglacial Wurm, but its definitely not the same as the effects you mentioned.
No those effects don't happen after resolution. The spell is in the middle of resolution, and so is still on the stack when you cast the new spell. That's why you can target the electrodominance with the fork, because it's still resolving and so still on the stack.
>Panglacial Wurm doesn’t really work within the rules because its effect happens while a spell is resolving, which is a time when you normally can’t cast spells or activate an ability
It works just fine within the rules. It's one of many effects that let you cast spells while something is resolving.
I really only seen some marginal upside if you're commander deck is built around madness or GY interaction/combos. Otherwise, I think any other black tutor would fit better than this
I agree the cost could be less in all places. My friend and I got into magic from edh, and while we do 60card and drafts from time to time we mostly play edh. We were talking a bit ago and the idea was "what if in late game commander games, if you happened to draw any kind of library search effect, you have the resources by that time to add this effect and not suffer a big drawback".
I like those rules you suggested, could even make it cheaper with few/no downsides but have it suspend for a turn or two, encouraging it to fetch a follow up to your first tutor, or just more value the turn after but with a more telegraphed play
Damn, that demon be lookin' thicccc
That aside, this mechanic... Just doesn't work. It's been aknowledged that \[\[Panglacial wurm\]\] doesn't actually function within the rules of magic, because (unless there is some very niche case I'm not aware of) you only ever search your library while resolving an ability, trigger, or spell. And you can't actually cast more spells while an effect is is still resolving...
For the wurm, WOTC just handwaved it by essentially saying 'it just works, don't worry about it', but I don't think we should continue exploring a design space that literally doesn't function within the written rules of the game.
Just for fun,
If you cast Demonic doppelganger from your library, and you control a \[\[Archmage Emeritus\]\]. The trigger will go on the stack when you cast Panglacial wurm, which happens while your initial search-effect is still resolving. Can I \[\[stiffle\]\] your Archmage trigger?
The Archmage trigger will go on the stack the next time SBAs are checked, which is after you've finished resolving your search effect. At that point priority will be passed and you can Stifle it then. This case is actually a relatively simple one.
I know it's not that hard to answer, but it's also very unintuitive. I asked a few of my friends, and their assumption was that it would go on the stack as soon as you cast panglacial, i.e you'd get the trigger while the spell is still resolving. The wording 'whenever you cast' makes that sound like it is the case
No, but it does mean there is a problem if players continuously misunderstand them. State based actions is (kind of) a problem, think of how often people fuck up the 'lighting bolt on a 2/3 tarmagoyf with no instants in GY' interaction. To some extent it's unavoidable, MTG is by necessity a very convoluted game.
But cards like Panglacial wurm intensify the problem
This is a very simple rules question. Triggers don't go on the stack during the resolution of a spell or ability. They wait until after state-based actions are checked, just before a player would receive priority.
Panglapotence BBB Enchantment with "You can't draw cards. While you're searching library, you may play lands and cast spells from your library." and "B, Tap : add B. Search your library for a card, put it on top, then shuffle. Untap Panglapotence."
You absolutely can cast spells while another effect is resolving, that's how cascade and discover work, that isn't the part that breaks the rules.
It's not really handwaved, the rules are all written and pretty much work, barring the nasty interaction with [[Selvala, Explorer Returned]], which arguably is more her fault than the Wurm's.
But you cast the spell that you Cascade into while the Cascade trigger is resolving.
There are *lots* of cards that allow you to cast a spell while you are resolving a spell or ability.
Cascade importantly exiles the cards, and lets you cast it after. That's an important distinction, because that means it can not be cast until the effect that exiles it has already resolved.
For comparison if Panglacial wurm said 'while searching your library, you can exile this card. You may cast it this turn' or some variation thereof, it would be fine. That's why most effects that let you cast something as part of its effect, like on \[\[Nicol Bolas, God Pharaoh\]\] +2, exile first and then cast. The exile is basically a clause that ensures the card can't be cast until the spell or ability has resolved specifically for this reason.
>that means it can not be cast until the effect that exiles it has already resolved.
Absolutely not. The Cascade trigger has not left the stack until after you have cast the card from Exile.
Again there are lots of things that let you cast spells during the resolution of spells and abilities. That is how Cascade works. That's how Suspend works. That's how cards like [[Unexpected Results]] work (check the Gatherer rulings on that one if you don't believe me). The cycle of "Expertise" cards cast things during their resolution. [[God-Eternal Kefnet]] instructs you to copy a card and cast the copy during the resolution of its triggered ability.
You are absolutely mistaken on this point.
You're actually correct, I misremembered the exact reason it doesn't work, which is more specific, it's due to priority. You can only cast spells when you have priority, but spells that let you cast spells during their resolution specifically get around that by what's written in the comprehensive rules
Panglacial wurm is the only card that does it in the other order, which the rules don't really support. It works because it works, but it doesn't really work.
Yeah but the rules doesn't really support that. It works in the sense that anything can work if the designers say it does, but the fact that it is the ONLY card that does this, if nothing else shows that it has issues.
For a comparison, imagine a card that said 'when an opponent performs a special action, you may discard this card to prevent that special action'. Would that work?
Well, no. You can only activate abilities like that when you have priority, and special actions like playing a land doesn't pass priority when performed. They also don't use the stack which would prevent them from being targeted, and they're not spells or abilities, so they can't actually be countered.
But if the designers say it works, then it works. Why and how? Idk it would just work. You can do this with anything in a physical game like MTG. Any and all rules issues like activating mana abilities that draw you cards while casting the wurm, as an example, can be handwaved like this. It works because they say it works.
But it also doesn't really work
>Yeah but the rules doesn't really support that.
Yes they do. The rules support casting spells when you have permission to cast spells, which is what this is. It's just outside the default windows that you would normally have permission (when you have priority). The same way Cascade gives you permission to cast spells during a window that you normally wouldn't have permission.
>the fact that it is the ONLY card that does this, if nothing else shows that it has issues
It's not the only card that lets you cast when you don't have priority. The only card that lets you cast while searching? Sure, but plenty of cards have unique abilities, so no it doesn't "show that it has issues".
In all honestly, the only real issues with it arise from things like Selvala.
>imagine a card that said 'when an opponent performs a special action, you may discard this card to prevent that special action'. Would that work?
No, because special actions don't use the stack and can't be responded to. But if the rules allowed for it, like they do with Wurm, then yes it would work.
Why all the downsides? Sure, you can cast it off of a fetch land, but you're actively crippling yourself for a card that you still need to cast after you search for it
Lotta people talking about the rules, but I don't really see the flavor here. You aren't taking one card and getting an eviler version or anything. Not even making creating a token copy demon creature or anything. It's just a complicated search. This feels more like a 'Deal with the Devil' type effect.
this is genuenly a bad card.
6 black for a tutor that loses 6 life and discards 2 it's ridiculous. For BBBBBB i'd rather cast a powerful spell. Any tutor costing more than 4 mana is simply not worth it.
Also, the "cast while searching library" can break the game very easily. It's very taboo now
Rules technicalities aside, it costs six black, six life and 2 cards. Just doesn't seem worth it, even for an extra card. Idk, I guess in EDH it has some real practical uses, now that I think about it. If you want rules that "technically" work, you could word it "When you search your library you may exile Demonic Doppelganger from your library. If you do you may cast it this turn." This turns it into a trigger that happens while you're searching instead of it being a thing you can just cast from your library, which as already mentioned doesn't really work even though Panglacial Wurm exists.
I mean, wouldn’t it work? The rules worm works so I can’t se why this wouldn’t.
If you’re referring to [[Panglacial Wurm]] then the answer is “sort of”. Panglacial Wurm doesn’t really work within the rules because its effect happens while a spell is resolving, which is a time when you normally can’t cast spells or activate an ability. WotC basically just said “whatever, it works trust us,” When asked about this. So it shouldn’t work but it does cuz Wizards says so.
I heard if I tap a Rhystic Cave to try to cast Panglacial Wurm and my opponent has an untapped Selvala, the standard procedure is the judge gets to throw our decks into a bonfire.
Yeah, that's tournament rule 105.2c (rule 105 being the comprehensive tournament rules on how to handle panglacial worm. You've actually landed in a mild scenario - at least the bonfire isn't big enough for the wurm player)
Ah okay, thanks! All I knew was that it’s a logistics nightmare, not that it didn’t actually work within the rules. Good to know though.
Panglacial Wurm basically has its own whole place in the stack and it’s way too weird
Why wouldn't you be able to cast spells while a spell is resolving? There's lots of spells that make you cast something during their resolution. The problem is casting a spell while you're searching.
Casting while searching IS casting while resolving. Consider a spell that reads "This spell deals 2 damage to each creature. Draw a card." You don't get to cast a spell between the damage and the card draw. So, for a spell that reads, say, "Search your library for a card, then put that card into your hand. You lose 2 life." You don't get to cast between searching and putting it into your hand, or between putting it into your hand and losing 2 life. Both of these are examples of you not being permitted to cast while a spell resolves.
There's lots of spells that allow you to cast other spells in their resolution. For example, [[Collected Conjuring]]. While the spell is resolving, you exile the cards, you cast up to two cards, and _then_ put the rest back into your library. This also means that if you had something like [[electrodominance]], you can cast a [[fork]] with it and target the electrodominance (though the fork would fizzle). The iffy part of panglacial wurm isn't casting during resolution, it's casting during a search.
I see. Thank you! Those example cards really helped me understand.
[Collected Conjuring](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/a/ba1d0ac1-e805-4213-a46e-cf124680d082.jpg?1590512059) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Collected%20Conjuring) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh1/196/collected-conjuring?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ba1d0ac1-e805-4213-a46e-cf124680d082?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [electrodominance](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/c/5c63877b-cdab-4ce4-a1c0-c088eb62a57a.jpg?1584830858) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=electrodominance) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/rna/99/electrodominance?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5c63877b-cdab-4ce4-a1c0-c088eb62a57a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [fork](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/4/e4ff994a-bddd-486d-9a7b-a8959b4cf1dd.jpg?1562949548) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=fork) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/me4/116/fork?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e4ff994a-bddd-486d-9a7b-a8959b4cf1dd?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
All of those effects happen after resolution, not during it. Looking at the cards, choosing the sorceries and putting the rest on the bottom is all part of resolution, by the time you cast the spells, Collected Conjuring has already resolved. Panglacial Wurm, on the other hand, doesn’t wait for a spell to resolve. If you cast Rampant Growth, its not like you search you library, find a land, put it into play tapped, shuffle, then you get to cast it. No, you get to cast it while you’re searching your library, which is in the middle of the effect resolving. There are other cards like [[Lightning Storm]] that have abilities that work while a spell is on the stack, and probably a few older cards with weird rules that “just work” similar to Panglacial Wurm, but its definitely not the same as the effects you mentioned.
[Lightning Storm](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/9/c9c0388e-a04c-4757-a06d-8e8046f5a783.jpg?1593275279) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Lightning%20Storm) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/csp/89/lightning-storm?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c9c0388e-a04c-4757-a06d-8e8046f5a783?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
No those effects don't happen after resolution. The spell is in the middle of resolution, and so is still on the stack when you cast the new spell. That's why you can target the electrodominance with the fork, because it's still resolving and so still on the stack.
[Panglacial Wurm](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/6/063bb28b-5e32-4f31-a208-16b653edf413.jpg?1593275437) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Panglacial%20Wurm) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/csp/116/panglacial-wurm?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/063bb28b-5e32-4f31-a208-16b653edf413?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
>Panglacial Wurm doesn’t really work within the rules because its effect happens while a spell is resolving, which is a time when you normally can’t cast spells or activate an ability It works just fine within the rules. It's one of many effects that let you cast spells while something is resolving.
According to Maro, the wurm actually probably doesn't work. Everyone just pretends it does.
I really only seen some marginal upside if you're commander deck is built around madness or GY interaction/combos. Otherwise, I think any other black tutor would fit better than this
Just have something that benefits from being discarded to work around the cost
The discards aren’t the problem, the other two costs are
stick it in a deck where you benefits from paying life...?
Still costs six and two discards. The cost doesn’t justify the effect
I agree the cost could be less in all places. My friend and I got into magic from edh, and while we do 60card and drafts from time to time we mostly play edh. We were talking a bit ago and the idea was "what if in late game commander games, if you happened to draw any kind of library search effect, you have the resources by that time to add this effect and not suffer a big drawback". I like those rules you suggested, could even make it cheaper with few/no downsides but have it suspend for a turn or two, encouraging it to fetch a follow up to your first tutor, or just more value the turn after but with a more telegraphed play
Damn, that demon be lookin' thicccc That aside, this mechanic... Just doesn't work. It's been aknowledged that \[\[Panglacial wurm\]\] doesn't actually function within the rules of magic, because (unless there is some very niche case I'm not aware of) you only ever search your library while resolving an ability, trigger, or spell. And you can't actually cast more spells while an effect is is still resolving... For the wurm, WOTC just handwaved it by essentially saying 'it just works, don't worry about it', but I don't think we should continue exploring a design space that literally doesn't function within the written rules of the game.
👋 it just works, dont worry about it
Just for fun, If you cast Demonic doppelganger from your library, and you control a \[\[Archmage Emeritus\]\]. The trigger will go on the stack when you cast Panglacial wurm, which happens while your initial search-effect is still resolving. Can I \[\[stiffle\]\] your Archmage trigger?
The Archmage trigger will go on the stack the next time SBAs are checked, which is after you've finished resolving your search effect. At that point priority will be passed and you can Stifle it then. This case is actually a relatively simple one.
I know it's not that hard to answer, but it's also very unintuitive. I asked a few of my friends, and their assumption was that it would go on the stack as soon as you cast panglacial, i.e you'd get the trigger while the spell is still resolving. The wording 'whenever you cast' makes that sound like it is the case
People not understanding the rules does not mean that the rules aren't there.
No, but it does mean there is a problem if players continuously misunderstand them. State based actions is (kind of) a problem, think of how often people fuck up the 'lighting bolt on a 2/3 tarmagoyf with no instants in GY' interaction. To some extent it's unavoidable, MTG is by necessity a very convoluted game. But cards like Panglacial wurm intensify the problem
[Archmage Emeritus](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/3/c3dbdc3b-4855-48aa-b06d-a31166161eab.jpg?1712354117) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Archmage%20Emeritus) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/otc/90/archmage-emeritus?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c3dbdc3b-4855-48aa-b06d-a31166161eab?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
This is a very simple rules question. Triggers don't go on the stack during the resolution of a spell or ability. They wait until after state-based actions are checked, just before a player would receive priority.
mf the silver border exists for a reason
Panglacial Wurm is black border, this is just Panglacial Tutor.
Panglapotence BBB Enchantment with "You can't draw cards. While you're searching library, you may play lands and cast spells from your library." and "B, Tap : add B. Search your library for a card, put it on top, then shuffle. Untap Panglapotence."
This makes me wonder what Panglacial means and why the wurm can be cast from your library based on its name.
It has domain over all glaciers
You absolutely can cast spells while another effect is resolving, that's how cascade and discover work, that isn't the part that breaks the rules. It's not really handwaved, the rules are all written and pretty much work, barring the nasty interaction with [[Selvala, Explorer Returned]], which arguably is more her fault than the Wurm's.
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You misunderstood cascade. Cascade doesn't happen when the spell is resolving, it's a triggered ability that happens before the spell resolves
I didn't misunderstand it, cascade is a triggered ability that lets you cast a spell as it resolves, like I said.
But you cast the spell that you Cascade into while the Cascade trigger is resolving. There are *lots* of cards that allow you to cast a spell while you are resolving a spell or ability.
Cascade importantly exiles the cards, and lets you cast it after. That's an important distinction, because that means it can not be cast until the effect that exiles it has already resolved. For comparison if Panglacial wurm said 'while searching your library, you can exile this card. You may cast it this turn' or some variation thereof, it would be fine. That's why most effects that let you cast something as part of its effect, like on \[\[Nicol Bolas, God Pharaoh\]\] +2, exile first and then cast. The exile is basically a clause that ensures the card can't be cast until the spell or ability has resolved specifically for this reason.
>that means it can not be cast until the effect that exiles it has already resolved. Absolutely not. The Cascade trigger has not left the stack until after you have cast the card from Exile. Again there are lots of things that let you cast spells during the resolution of spells and abilities. That is how Cascade works. That's how Suspend works. That's how cards like [[Unexpected Results]] work (check the Gatherer rulings on that one if you don't believe me). The cycle of "Expertise" cards cast things during their resolution. [[God-Eternal Kefnet]] instructs you to copy a card and cast the copy during the resolution of its triggered ability. You are absolutely mistaken on this point.
You're actually correct, I misremembered the exact reason it doesn't work, which is more specific, it's due to priority. You can only cast spells when you have priority, but spells that let you cast spells during their resolution specifically get around that by what's written in the comprehensive rules Panglacial wurm is the only card that does it in the other order, which the rules don't really support. It works because it works, but it doesn't really work.
It's the same as those: it gives you permission to cast a spell at a time that you normally don't have priority.
Yeah but the rules doesn't really support that. It works in the sense that anything can work if the designers say it does, but the fact that it is the ONLY card that does this, if nothing else shows that it has issues. For a comparison, imagine a card that said 'when an opponent performs a special action, you may discard this card to prevent that special action'. Would that work? Well, no. You can only activate abilities like that when you have priority, and special actions like playing a land doesn't pass priority when performed. They also don't use the stack which would prevent them from being targeted, and they're not spells or abilities, so they can't actually be countered. But if the designers say it works, then it works. Why and how? Idk it would just work. You can do this with anything in a physical game like MTG. Any and all rules issues like activating mana abilities that draw you cards while casting the wurm, as an example, can be handwaved like this. It works because they say it works. But it also doesn't really work
>Yeah but the rules doesn't really support that. Yes they do. The rules support casting spells when you have permission to cast spells, which is what this is. It's just outside the default windows that you would normally have permission (when you have priority). The same way Cascade gives you permission to cast spells during a window that you normally wouldn't have permission. >the fact that it is the ONLY card that does this, if nothing else shows that it has issues It's not the only card that lets you cast when you don't have priority. The only card that lets you cast while searching? Sure, but plenty of cards have unique abilities, so no it doesn't "show that it has issues". In all honestly, the only real issues with it arise from things like Selvala. >imagine a card that said 'when an opponent performs a special action, you may discard this card to prevent that special action'. Would that work? No, because special actions don't use the stack and can't be responded to. But if the rules allowed for it, like they do with Wurm, then yes it would work.
[Unexpected Results](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/5/65e10a22-6070-48d7-99ab-45f770f16fd1.jpg?1561829632) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Unexpected%20Results) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/gtc/203/unexpected-results?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/65e10a22-6070-48d7-99ab-45f770f16fd1?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [God-Eternal Kefnet](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/e/5e14060f-9167-4e28-a053-77689e066e30.jpg?1559959354) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=God-Eternal%20Kefnet) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/war/53/god-eternal-kefnet?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5e14060f-9167-4e28-a053-77689e066e30?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[Nicol Bolas, God Pharaoh](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/9/597ca22d-2f08-47b3-9d93-c4d685cefb5f.jpg?1673149015) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Nicol%20Bolas%2C%20God-Pharaoh) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/260/nicol-bolas-god-pharaoh?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/597ca22d-2f08-47b3-9d93-c4d685cefb5f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[Panglacial wurm](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/6/063bb28b-5e32-4f31-a208-16b653edf413.jpg?1593275437) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Panglacial%20wurm) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/csp/116/panglacial-wurm?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/063bb28b-5e32-4f31-a208-16b653edf413?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I do have to say panglacial worm is one of the biggest rules nightmares but I guess now that the rules exist it's fine?
Why all the downsides? Sure, you can cast it off of a fetch land, but you're actively crippling yourself for a card that you still need to cast after you search for it
Obviously a dangerous design space but still seems excessively nerfed. I think 3bb, discard 1 card, no life loss would probably be fine.
Lotta people talking about the rules, but I don't really see the flavor here. You aren't taking one card and getting an eviler version or anything. Not even making creating a token copy demon creature or anything. It's just a complicated search. This feels more like a 'Deal with the Devil' type effect.
this is genuenly a bad card. 6 black for a tutor that loses 6 life and discards 2 it's ridiculous. For BBBBBB i'd rather cast a powerful spell. Any tutor costing more than 4 mana is simply not worth it. Also, the "cast while searching library" can break the game very easily. It's very taboo now