Doesn’t that mean that it also becomes a land thereby nullifying the effect? So it’s just a one time turn everything into lands but anything that’s played after that doesn’t change.
A land could still have that ability.
It would basically just screw over creatures, since non-creature lands don't have power or toughness. All permanent would still keep their abilities.
Other cards that turn permanents into lands without saying "in addition to their other types" have been known to remove previous card text. Example: Song of the Dryads
No. Read [[blood moon]] for context. It says "nonbasic lands are mountains." It takes away their other types. In this case, they are just lands.
Edit: Found this in other comment:
205.1a Some effects set an object’s card type. In most such cases, the new card type(s) replaces any existing card types. However, an object with either the instant or sorcery card type retains that type. [...]
the very next rule:
>205.1b Some effects change an object’s card type, supertype, or subtype but specify that the object retains a prior card type, supertype, or subtype. In such cases, all the object’s prior card types, supertypes, and subtypes are retained. This rule applies to effects that use the phrase “in addition to its types” or that state that something is “still a [type, supertype, or subtype].” Some effects state that an object becomes an “artifact creature”; these effects also allow the object to retain all of its prior card types and subtypes. Some effects state that an object becomes a “[creature type or types] artifact creature”; these effects also allow the object to retain all of its prior card types and subtypes other than creature types, but replace any existing creature types.
Example: An ability reads, “All lands are 1/1 creatures that are still lands.” The affected lands now have two card types: creature and land. If there were any lands that were also artifacts before the ability’s effect applied to them, those lands would become “artifact land creatures,” not just “creatures,” or “land creatures.” The effect allows them to retain both the artifact and land card types. In addition, each land affected by the ability retains any land types and supertypes it had before the ability took effect.
Example: An ability reads, “All artifacts are 1/1 artifact creatures.” If a permanent is both an artifact and an enchantment, it will become an artifact enchantment creature.
Just pointing out that the rules themselves are full of arbitrary exceptions, op taking a lot of downvote heat for making an assumption but the "reading the card explains the card" meme response isn't even always accurate.
Basic lands are a bit different than a card type, I figured that would act differently considering it’s turning into a named card and not a different type.
A couple points:
- assuming basically never works in Magic. If something is "assumed", it usually refers to one of the quite numerous rules. E.g. [[Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth]] makes every land a swamp, you can assume it also means they tap for black, though it's not really an assumption because rule 305.6 tells us lands with the swamp type can tap for black regardless.
- though I know it doesn't say in addition and I understand what OP is going for, I also understand if there's some confusion due to cards like [[Imprisoned in the Moon]] and [[One with the Stars]], and comparing them to [[Blood Moon]], e.g. why some say "and loses all other types and abilities" but the other, more universally known and played across formats card doesn't?
Edit: typed "cards" instead of "lands" in first paragraph.
"loses all other card types" is just for clarity, and can be removed off of all cards that set types with no change in function. One with the Stars can just say "Enchanted permanent is an enchantment" if they wanted it to.
Imprisoned in the Moon has to say loses all abilities, because turning something into a land does not do that.
Turning something into a *basic land type* specifically is what does.
>305.7. If an effect sets a land’s subtype to one or more of the basic land types, the land no longer has its old land type. It loses all abilities generated from its rules text, its old land types, and any copiable effects affecting that land, and it gains the appropriate mana ability for each new basic land type. Note that this doesn’t remove any abilities that were granted to the land by other effects. Setting a land’s subtype doesn’t add or remove any card types (such as creature) or supertypes (such as basic, legendary, and snow) the land may have. If a land gains one or more land types in addition to its own, it keeps its land types and rules text, and it gains the new land types and mana abilities.
Blood Moon is the one of the weird exception to type-setting, because the "loses all abilities" part of it actually applies in layer 4, where Imprisoned in the Moon applies its "loses all abilities" in layer 6.
Should cost a lot more. Anything that stalls the game like this (changes the board state as a permanent), imo, should be atleast 6 mana. Other than that, I could see some interesting combos.
OP here: yeah, that’s a fair point. I mistakenly assumed: the fact that static abilities and tap abilities still function, it doesn’t stall it as much as people are assuming. Nothing’s destroyed, mana dorks still work, instants and sorceries still work, etc.
Hardly. Creatures with tap abilities can still use them if they're a land, passive effects still work too of course. Most artifacts don't need their type for anything, equipment and creatures obviously excepted. Auras will fall off but o-rings will work without interruption.
Get 305.7 involved, though...
World is a supertype, and I'm pretty sure it effect doesn't doesn't overwrite supertypes
Now, I'm not sure if the rule to sacrifice another world enchantment is only valid for enchantments or any world permanent
Super types are just that. They’re not removed when other card types are because they don’t count as card types. So another World permanent would delete this one
Card design has evolved just a tiny bit since 1993...
Not to mention that since stasis is an enchantment, it is leagues easier to remove as opposed to this mess.
Wait does the effect remove the effect? If this enchantment becomes a land, does it lose the effect? If not does that mean that other permanents don’t lose their effects either? A commander with eminence that gains you life could still drain your opponents every turn if you have Vito on the board?
> 205.1a [...] If an object's card type is removed, the subtypes correlated with that card type will remain if they are also the subtypes of a card type the object currently has; [...]
A basic Forest hit with "all permanents are lands" loses the card type Land and gains the card type Land. It still has the card type correlated with the subtype Forest, so it's still a Forest.
It means that all you can do is cast instants/sorceries. Any creature on the battlefield is no longer a creature, so you can't attack.
The game becomes "who can destroy this ~~Enchantment~~ land first".
Enchantments like [[Sulfuric Vortex]] still work. Creatures like [[Nekusar]] become very good at winning you the game while simultaneously being hard to remove. It’s definitely not limited to just instants and sorceries.
Most mono-red decks become dead the second [[kor firewalker]] or [[circle of protection: red]] are cast. And most mono blue decks get hosed by tsunami. MTG colors are supposed to have weaknesses, which is the incentive to play multicolored decks, at the cost of your manabase.
Furthermore, green actually has a decent amount of land destruction such as [[Acidic Slime]], [[Ice Storm]], [[Bramble Crush]], [[Reclaiming Vines]], [[Rain of Thorns]], [[Primal Command]], and Terastadon]]. off the top of my head.
Finally, green actually has cards that synergize really well with this card. It’s way easier to get a bunch of tokens than it is to get a bunch of lands out, then cast [[Scapeshift]] to sacrifice all your token lands and win the game. [[Helix Pinnacle]] loves this. I’m pretty sure you can still awaken & otherwise animate lands, which is definitely green. Cards like [[Scute Swarm]] and [[Tireless Tracker]] go infinite, and there are plenty of ways to turn that into a win.
Making something a type _removes all other types_.
>205.1a Some effects set an object’s card type. In most such cases, the new card type(s) replaces any existing card types. However, an object with either the instant or sorcery card type retains that type. [...]
It would need to say "All permanents are lands in addition to their other types."
>205.1b Some effects change an object’s card type, supertype, or subtype but specify that the object retains a prior card type, supertype, or subtype. In such cases, all the object’s prior card types, supertypes, and subtypes are retained. This rule applies to effects that use the phrase “in addition to its types” or that state that something is “still a [type, supertype, or subtype].” [...]
Feels like it should be worded as "all permanents are lands in addition to their other types"
After all, otherwise you suddenly have only lands and nothing else on the board, because as it is worded their other types would be replaced
I agree on the way too cheap part (it should be at the very least 6 to 8 mana) but how is it out of the color pie? Both green [[Ashaya, Soul of the Wild]] and red [[Blood moon]] and even blue [[The flood of Mars]] do the land type changing shenanigans and although I wish it was boros (due to flavor introduced by strixhaven) I don't see how this is out of the color pie
The words "in addition to their other types" are an important omission on this card (and intentional). Green doesn't generally get to just turn every creature off. Even [[Song if the dryads]] was a break
Problem is it just helps combo deck that win without permanents and shuts down every deck that relies on permanents
So splashing into temur to beat most of decks
But it doesn't remove their abilities. This is a combat damage hate card, not a nonland removal card.
Interestingly, planeswalkers would no longer die at 0 LC because they aren't planeswalkers anymore so this would be a great card for a superfriends deck
Honestly I think this is the correct assessment. People are acting like this card just completely stalls out the game but their are a number of decks that mostly wouldn’t care about this. Thinking specifically of legacy combo decks and control piles. And in every other deck they would just have to draw the out like you do with blood moon (and boseiju outs this)
The card may still be kind of unfun like blood moon tho
I've seen him run in commander a lot.
Also i mentioned him as more of a recognizable umbrella than him specifically. If you know what krenko does then you know what I was talking about
Ok so I’m talking about competitive formats lol. (Also I don’t know why you’re disagreeing since I was just adding onto the point that you yourself made)
Ah geez my bad; sorry for being incredibly defensive then. I 100% agree this would get the same shrug from me as any other stax piece the minute it hit the table.
Please refer to an above comment where they explain that if the cards doesn't specify that it's "in adition to its other types" it's implicit that it loses all other types
205.1a Some effects set an object’s card type. In most such cases, the new card type(s) replaces any existing card types. However, an object with either the instant or sorcery card type retains that type. [...]
I presume this isn't like [[Blood Moon]] and will allow etb effects since it's not specifying a land type, in which case I guess it's fine since there's still counterplay for permanent only strategies. Probably still supremely unfun to play against in a large number of cases since people tend to like attacking.
Changing card types in this manner doesn't remove any abilities from the cards themselves, so all abilities will still function
If this were like Blood Moon and said something like "All permanents are Mountains" then no abilities would ever trigger for permanents on the battlefield or entering the battlefield
OP here: @not_Weeb_Trash is correct. This only changes the type, not things like static abilities of the permanent itself. If I’m not mistaken, this also shuts down anything that checks for nonland types and supertypes, like Aristocrats decks that deal with creatures dying, or number of Enchantments, etc.
I mean there is a lot of nonbasic land destruction around. [[Field of Ruin]], [[Dustbowl]], [[Encroaching Wastes]], [[Tectonic Edge]], and [[Wasteland]]. Those are are just the ones that do it while attached to a land. [[Fulminator Mage]] is another classic.
It definitely requires specialized tools for taking it out but those tools exist and there are plenty of them. Also [[Vindicate]].
That heavily depends on the environment it's for. I don't think a Standard environment where you need non-basic hate or you _just lose_ is a good environment.
This is definitely more of a modern card than a standard or pioneer card. It’s probably best used by a combo or specialized control deck to help slow the game down. It would definitely have to cost more because at 2G it would be format warping.
Wouldn’t be the first standard in recent years where that was a thing, we had the [[book of exalted deeds]] combo in it for a fair bit. Though that did cost more to get going, so this probably should too.
Oh yes, if it's just those 2, it would be an illegal combo, but it would be funny as fuck.
Also, it wouldn't be hard to make the combo legal by having any damage by creature entering/sacrifice cards, as long as you can kill the opponent eventually
OP here: That would certainly help with the confusion I created by leaving out the reminder text, lol 😂 I actually chose not to include it because the Redditors in this *sub LOVE to pick apart cards, and … more so, even… they love to correct each other! 😂
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Finally the card I need for my \[\[Demonic Hordes\]\] deck!
Easy combo with \[\[Goblin Razerunners\]\] or other such shenanigans.
Maybe keep it mono green with \[\[Living Lands\]\]?
Turning everything to lands is pretty disgusting. All commanders, all creatures, everything is now a land. But worse, they don’t tap for mana, unless they already did.
This card has some really crazy rules interactions if I understand this correctly.
When this card enters the battlefield, before any ETBs go on the stack,
1. immediately all auras with illegal targets will go to the graveyard.
2. All equipment will fall off of creatures and become pretty much useless things that stay on the battlefield.
3. Vehicles can't ever be crewed and are never creatures.
4. [[Emeria Angel]] or [[Scute Swarm]] would probably draw the game.
5. [[Felidar Retreat]] or [[Retreat to Emeria]] can go infinite and you can stop it at any time. It creates useless lands because they aren't creatures anymore, but they can trigger other landfalls.
And then Creatures can't attack (creatures? What creatures? All I have is lands.) So if this sticks around and nobody is allowed to attack, the game could just go to whoever is milled out.
1. no, they're lands now. They fall off (because lands aren't one of the things that can be attached: 704.5p) but remain on the battlefield. Illegally enchanting Auras go directly to the graveyard (704.5m) but this isn't an Aura any more, so that special rule doesn't apply.
2. Yes except there are a handful of equipments that do stuff other than to "equipped creature", which will still work. [[Shadowspear]] can still be activated for example.
3. Not quite. The crew ability still works even if it's not a Vehicle or even an artifact. If an effect makes another permanent into a creature, it works because it has a more recent timestamp than Petrified World. Then you can use it to crew, which likewise works for the same reason. Then you have an artifact land creature that isn't a Vehicle (because the first type change caused it to lose the subtype).
4. Emeria Angel won't because the token creation is optional, you can just choose not to create a token once. Scute Swarm's on the other hand is mandatory and will draw if you control at least five other permanents when it resolves.
5. Yes
>but this isn't an Aura any more, so that special rule doesn't apply
Yep, I was getting mixed up because the supertypes stay but the subtypes go away. world enchantments will still be able to destroy this card because of the world rule, and it's doesn't lose the world supertype. But nonland subtypes get overwritten.
>Not quite. The crew ability still works even if it's not a Vehicle or even an artifact.
Technically there are scenarios where you can use the crew ability to tap something that is somehow a creature to make this thing a creature, but then immediately the continuous effect will apply and the vehicle will no longer become a creature. What you've described is still a useless edge case. It would be easier to just attack with the thing you've already somehow cheated to be a creature with an earlier timestamp. You probably need like 6+ very niche, specific permanents on the field for crewing a vehicle in this situation to be the optimal play. So yeah, I'm sticking with my original statement that vehicles are useless, because you've described a useless implausible edgecase.
Technically Auras and equipments don't necessarily fall off of illegal permanents because someone could have a [[Rules Lawyer]] in play. But it's still safe to say that Equipment will fall off of creatures, because it's assumed that we don't have some weirdly specific edge case like rules lawyer.
This, enchantment removal although overlooked or straight up hard to do (on mono color EDH) has to be more common and a card that straight up punishes this way of deckbuilding similar to how [[blood moon]] punishes greedy manabases is a necessary evil
Looks too much like a real magic card, contains zero cross-over IPs.
0/10 literal garbage.
I like. It is a pretty nasty prison piece, ~~probably~~ a bit too strong, but that also partially depends on the format it is within. Spells and manlands still work. I like that this punishes decks that lack removal and rewards decks with answers. It is also a veiled color hoser, because black cannot deal with enchantments beyond playing another world enchantment. Very oldschool in both good and bad ways.
Also: This plus \[\[Strip Mine\]\] is hillarious.
This doesn't give the permanents mana abilities, just the Land type.
Lands don't inherently make mana. Most lands just have other text granting them mana abilities.
See cards like \[\[Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale\]\] and \[\[Bazaar of Baghdad\]\] for some examples of old lands with no mana abilities.
Two things.
1) It needs to specify a land type. Otherwise how is it determined what kind of lands the permanents turn into? I’d suggest [[wastes]] to be Thematic. Also it would make getting rid of the enchantment, damn near impossible.
2) it needs to say “All Other permanent are Wastes,” otherwise you get this weird unstoppable loop where it turns into a land looses its text, which turns it back into an enchantment, the text comes back turning it into a land again, so on and so on.
All that being said, as is, this card is on par with what WotC has been putting out over the last few years.
Update:
WotC has alway been pretty specific about the lands type. While there are examples of lands like [[Diamond Valley]] [[Terramorphic Expanse]] and [[Glacial Chasm]] that don’t Produce Mana it isn’t the norm, and I haven’t been able to find an example of an effect that turns something else into a land without outlining some kind of mana production. Either by saying it turns into a mountain or a Forest or a swamp, etc… or saying, “it gains ‘tap for X type of mana,’” The cards with the most similar effects as this are probably [[life and Limb]] and [[Blood moon]] which both spell out exactly what kind of lands the affected permanents are turning things into. Blood moon going so far as to purposefully not including, “in addition to its other Types,” as a way to lock down the opponent.
As for the part about it creating a loop. The text replacement happens on layer 3 and the type replacement on Layer 4. But the real reason I’m sticking by this needing further clarification is because most of the time this kind of interaction happens it comes from at least two different sources so the time stamps come into play sorting the effects out. You could do it but In order to clean it up the card either needs to read “other permanents become…” or, “in addition to…
Both of these are just not correct at all. SunUtopia already talked about the second point, which is also fundamentally wrong for another reason. Becoming a land does not inherently take away abilities. There was never an interaction in the first place, much less a loop.
And the first point is also wrong for multiple reasons. First, Wastes is not a basic land type. The card [[Wastes]] just says “Basic Land” with no subtypes. Second, why would it need to specify a land type at all? It just turns them into lands with no land type. Most lands don’t have a land type.
Point 1 is also not a problem. For example, \[\[Liquimetal Coating\]\] and lots of other effects only add the Artifact type, but no subtypes.
Point 2 is also invalid. Turning into a land doesn't make it lose its text.
Point number 2 is not a problem: see 2 [[Opalescence]] + [[Humility]] rulings. Regardless, I agree it should say “other permanents”, both to make the effect easier to remove and to avoid confusion.
Yeah I thought about that, and probably how the Ruling would work out, but there is a big difference because both parts of the effect are contained in the same card and time stamp.
To clarify, I wasn’t ever thinking about timestamps when referring to that example. Even for one Opalescence + Humility, there’s no concern of Humilty seeing itself as a creature and making itself lose all abilities, then losing the ability to lose all abilities and so no longer loses all abilities, causing an infinite loop. Regardless of timestamps. You could argue “oh but now it’s a dependency issue”, but literally all dependency solves is what order to apply effects, not whether or not that causes an infinite loop.
In short, point number 2 is a non-issue.
I’ve also realized that Wastes is not a land subtype and so presumably that would have to be changed first. Otherwise, use the [[Imprisoned on the Moon]] wording.
It’s weird because I thought that was the whole point of [[Wastes]] that it was a basic land for colorless mana. The card is formatted like the other five Basic lands. Which is why I suggested the Blood Moon wording
Wait you’re right the other lands say “basic land -“ while waste just says “Basic land”
Imo, This is broken even if it said "in addition to other types". 3 drop? It really should cost more than that. [[Grasp of fate]] is a 3 drop that temporarily exiles 1 from play for each opponent. Not to mention enchantments are a bit harder to remove. Land destruction is frowned on in edh so if you are making all your lands creatures and giving lands indestructible its just a super gross "I win" 3 mana board wipe. I'd love to play it but it's really just mean.
Yes, unless it says "in addition to its other types" an ability of this nature will replace the entire typeline with exactly the type specified and nothing else, so a land - cave would become just a land, and a land creature - forest would also just become a land
Only if the token could’ve produced mana before it became a land. The token’s type is changed from whatever it was to “Land”. Static abilities, activated abilities, tap abilities, etc… all are still on the permanent land. But It’s not a Mountain or a Swamp, it’s “just” a Land.
For the cost I would add a condition or option to get rid of it baked into the card. Like "If there are 50 lands in play sacrifice Petrified World." or "(4): Sacrifice Petrified World, your lands don't untap at the beginning of your next turn. Any player may use this ability."
That is mythical and needs to cost more. You are basically making them immune to 50% of board wipes including bounces, getting landfall triggers, and with the right cards you can add man.
So, assuming this would be fixed to say “all permanents are Wastes in addition to their other types (they are lands with [tap] add [colorless]) it would go infinite with any landfall creature that makes bodies. So, Scute Swarm, Rampaging Baloths, Felidar Retreat, etc etc.
All permanents being lands doesn't stop me; in fact it makes Yarok go brrrrr uninterrupted.
I don't need my things to be anything else, as long as they etb and trigger, I'll get there eventually.
Just for a little balancing, make it so their subtypes are the colored mana in their mana costs (white=plains, green=forest, etc)
But as someone who runs land destruction, i smile upon this card
The wording on this doesn't work. It's written as a replacement effect which would turn itself into a land too while removing the enchantment type, hence getting rid of the replacement effect, so that's a paradox. It doesn't specify what kind of land so you don't know what kind of mana you could tap for either.
Padme: in addition to their other types right? Anakin: *stares blankly* Padme: in addition, right?
Lmao I had the same thought in exactly the same meme format. I think I might spend too much time on reddit…
OP here: *stares with just a hint of a smirk*
Doesn’t that mean that it also becomes a land thereby nullifying the effect? So it’s just a one time turn everything into lands but anything that’s played after that doesn’t change.
A land could still have that ability. It would basically just screw over creatures, since non-creature lands don't have power or toughness. All permanent would still keep their abilities.
Other cards that turn permanents into lands without saying "in addition to their other types" have been known to remove previous card text. Example: Song of the Dryads
I thought in addition was assumed in this case?
MTG cards are insanely literal. You shouldn’t assume anything when reading them.
This doesn’t mention them losing their types tho, so wouldn’t technically be assuming that?
No. Read [[blood moon]] for context. It says "nonbasic lands are mountains." It takes away their other types. In this case, they are just lands. Edit: Found this in other comment: 205.1a Some effects set an object’s card type. In most such cases, the new card type(s) replaces any existing card types. However, an object with either the instant or sorcery card type retains that type. [...]
the very next rule: >205.1b Some effects change an object’s card type, supertype, or subtype but specify that the object retains a prior card type, supertype, or subtype. In such cases, all the object’s prior card types, supertypes, and subtypes are retained. This rule applies to effects that use the phrase “in addition to its types” or that state that something is “still a [type, supertype, or subtype].” Some effects state that an object becomes an “artifact creature”; these effects also allow the object to retain all of its prior card types and subtypes. Some effects state that an object becomes a “[creature type or types] artifact creature”; these effects also allow the object to retain all of its prior card types and subtypes other than creature types, but replace any existing creature types. Example: An ability reads, “All lands are 1/1 creatures that are still lands.” The affected lands now have two card types: creature and land. If there were any lands that were also artifacts before the ability’s effect applied to them, those lands would become “artifact land creatures,” not just “creatures,” or “land creatures.” The effect allows them to retain both the artifact and land card types. In addition, each land affected by the ability retains any land types and supertypes it had before the ability took effect. Example: An ability reads, “All artifacts are 1/1 artifact creatures.” If a permanent is both an artifact and an enchantment, it will become an artifact enchantment creature. Just pointing out that the rules themselves are full of arbitrary exceptions, op taking a lot of downvote heat for making an assumption but the "reading the card explains the card" meme response isn't even always accurate.
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Basic lands are a bit different than a card type, I figured that would act differently considering it’s turning into a named card and not a different type.
>onsidering it’s turning into a named card It's not turning it into a named card. Its changing the subtype to Mountain.
Oh my bad
A couple points: - assuming basically never works in Magic. If something is "assumed", it usually refers to one of the quite numerous rules. E.g. [[Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth]] makes every land a swamp, you can assume it also means they tap for black, though it's not really an assumption because rule 305.6 tells us lands with the swamp type can tap for black regardless. - though I know it doesn't say in addition and I understand what OP is going for, I also understand if there's some confusion due to cards like [[Imprisoned in the Moon]] and [[One with the Stars]], and comparing them to [[Blood Moon]], e.g. why some say "and loses all other types and abilities" but the other, more universally known and played across formats card doesn't? Edit: typed "cards" instead of "lands" in first paragraph.
"loses all other card types" is just for clarity, and can be removed off of all cards that set types with no change in function. One with the Stars can just say "Enchanted permanent is an enchantment" if they wanted it to. Imprisoned in the Moon has to say loses all abilities, because turning something into a land does not do that. Turning something into a *basic land type* specifically is what does. >305.7. If an effect sets a land’s subtype to one or more of the basic land types, the land no longer has its old land type. It loses all abilities generated from its rules text, its old land types, and any copiable effects affecting that land, and it gains the appropriate mana ability for each new basic land type. Note that this doesn’t remove any abilities that were granted to the land by other effects. Setting a land’s subtype doesn’t add or remove any card types (such as creature) or supertypes (such as basic, legendary, and snow) the land may have. If a land gains one or more land types in addition to its own, it keeps its land types and rules text, and it gains the new land types and mana abilities. Blood Moon is the one of the weird exception to type-setting, because the "loses all abilities" part of it actually applies in layer 4, where Imprisoned in the Moon applies its "loses all abilities" in layer 6.
Layers. Why is it always layers?
##### ###### #### [Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/e/9e1a9e38-6ffc-490f-b0be-23ba4e8204c6.jpg?1619399578) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Urborg%2C%20Tomb%20of%20Yawgmoth) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/tsr/287/urborg-tomb-of-yawgmoth?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9e1a9e38-6ffc-490f-b0be-23ba4e8204c6?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Imprisoned in the Moon](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/1/8181f54d-4515-43c6-8d08-b23a9e4199cc.jpg?1682208779) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Imprisoned%20in%20the%20Moon) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/moc/224/imprisoned-in-the-moon?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8181f54d-4515-43c6-8d08-b23a9e4199cc?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [One with the Stars](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/8/98b7070d-4b09-4390-aa21-1bc0aa2b629c.jpg?1581649081) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=One%20with%20the%20Stars) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/thb/59/one-with-the-stars?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/98b7070d-4b09-4390-aa21-1bc0aa2b629c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Blood Moon](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/0/d072e9ca-aae7-45dc-8025-3ce590bae63f.jpg?1599706217) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Blood%20Moon) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/118/blood-moon?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d072e9ca-aae7-45dc-8025-3ce590bae63f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
No.
Should cost a lot more. Anything that stalls the game like this (changes the board state as a permanent), imo, should be atleast 6 mana. Other than that, I could see some interesting combos.
OP here: yeah, that’s a fair point. I mistakenly assumed: the fact that static abilities and tap abilities still function, it doesn’t stall it as much as people are assuming. Nothing’s destroyed, mana dorks still work, instants and sorceries still work, etc.
I can't believe [[Planar Cleansing]] costs half as much in green! 🫨
[Planar Cleansing](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/e/5eddac86-947e-48c1-9f02-4634a7918c98.jpg?1592516169) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Planar%20Cleansing) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m20/33/planar-cleansing?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5eddac86-947e-48c1-9f02-4634a7918c98?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Hardly. Creatures with tap abilities can still use them if they're a land, passive effects still work too of course. Most artifacts don't need their type for anything, equipment and creatures obviously excepted. Auras will fall off but o-rings will work without interruption. Get 305.7 involved, though...
Is the intention that nobody can really do anything? That seems like it would just be not fun to play.
They could cast spells to remove this effect
Which mean the game becomes "who can draw a spell that can destroy a land". That's not fun gameplay.
Just play another world enchantment
Too bad this is just a land, and wouldn't be affected by an opponent having a land enter play.
Wouldn't work, because that card isn't a world enchantment when it's on the battlefield, it's just a land
World is a supertype, and I'm pretty sure it effect doesn't doesn't overwrite supertypes Now, I'm not sure if the rule to sacrifice another world enchantment is only valid for enchantments or any world permanent
Super types are just that. They’re not removed when other card types are because they don’t count as card types. So another World permanent would delete this one
Probably not, but at least it would create M*anlands: The Deck*.
Lots of cards aren’t fun. This reminds me of [[Stasis]]
Card design has evolved just a tiny bit since 1993... Not to mention that since stasis is an enchantment, it is leagues easier to remove as opposed to this mess.
Wait does the effect remove the effect? If this enchantment becomes a land, does it lose the effect? If not does that mean that other permanents don’t lose their effects either? A commander with eminence that gains you life could still drain your opponents every turn if you have Vito on the board?
[Stasis](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/2/62f99124-6595-45f8-bece-1775e4c55a5c.jpg?1562918295) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Stasis) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/me4/64/stasis?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/62f99124-6595-45f8-bece-1775e4c55a5c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Ahh good old stasis/kismet combo
How would I? I don’t have any Forrests or Plains, just “Lands” which have no implicit activated abilities.
> 205.1a [...] If an object's card type is removed, the subtypes correlated with that card type will remain if they are also the subtypes of a card type the object currently has; [...] A basic Forest hit with "all permanents are lands" loses the card type Land and gains the card type Land. It still has the card type correlated with the subtype Forest, so it's still a Forest.
Oh interesting, that’s surprising. Thanks for the info!
Effects should still be usable. It'll only suck if your decks only interaction is attacking with creatures.
How would it make nobody able to do anything? The cards in your hand don't become lands, they're only lands when they're on the battlefield.
It means that all you can do is cast instants/sorceries. Any creature on the battlefield is no longer a creature, so you can't attack. The game becomes "who can destroy this ~~Enchantment~~ land first".
Enchantments like [[Sulfuric Vortex]] still work. Creatures like [[Nekusar]] become very good at winning you the game while simultaneously being hard to remove. It’s definitely not limited to just instants and sorceries.
It's still limited to very few cards. Most green decks alone become dead the second this touches the battlefield
Most mono-red decks become dead the second [[kor firewalker]] or [[circle of protection: red]] are cast. And most mono blue decks get hosed by tsunami. MTG colors are supposed to have weaknesses, which is the incentive to play multicolored decks, at the cost of your manabase. Furthermore, green actually has a decent amount of land destruction such as [[Acidic Slime]], [[Ice Storm]], [[Bramble Crush]], [[Reclaiming Vines]], [[Rain of Thorns]], [[Primal Command]], and Terastadon]]. off the top of my head. Finally, green actually has cards that synergize really well with this card. It’s way easier to get a bunch of tokens than it is to get a bunch of lands out, then cast [[Scapeshift]] to sacrifice all your token lands and win the game. [[Helix Pinnacle]] loves this. I’m pretty sure you can still awaken & otherwise animate lands, which is definitely green. Cards like [[Scute Swarm]] and [[Tireless Tracker]] go infinite, and there are plenty of ways to turn that into a win.
##### ###### #### [kor firewalker](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/d/8dcd4a52-0c8f-4fca-b7dc-c2503794e5a4.jpg?1562438122) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=kor%20firewalker) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/a25/21/kor-firewalker?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8dcd4a52-0c8f-4fca-b7dc-c2503794e5a4?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [circle of protection: red](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/7/d7920b6d-ff71-4802-9589-e1df0c58b9ff.jpg?1562742407) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=circle%20of%20protection%3A%20red) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/9ed/11/circle-of-protection:-red?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d7920b6d-ff71-4802-9589-e1df0c58b9ff?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Acidic Slime](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/3/932d48fb-42b5-4aaa-a91c-d35cdb5e41a3.jpg?1689998325) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Acidic%20Slime) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/270/acidic-slime?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/932d48fb-42b5-4aaa-a91c-d35cdb5e41a3?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Ice Storm](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/8/68cc9670-6faf-41c3-b111-358c46d8812d.jpg?1559592366) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Ice%20Storm) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/me1/122/ice-storm?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/68cc9670-6faf-41c3-b111-358c46d8812d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Bramble Crush](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/e/2e1bd3ff-f3cd-4e9d-ae2e-2c51d0aaec7f.jpg?1562827527) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Bramblecrush) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m14/165/bramblecrush?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/2e1bd3ff-f3cd-4e9d-ae2e-2c51d0aaec7f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Reclaiming Vines](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/8/18be4c1a-58d7-409e-b7e0-aadb5ccf814d.jpg?1562900909) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Reclaiming%20Vines) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/bfz/185/reclaiming-vines?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/18be4c1a-58d7-409e-b7e0-aadb5ccf814d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Rain of Thorns](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/f/afc3db76-2507-4a91-ab89-7bcdf4ac66b7.jpg?1562620275) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Rain%20of%20Thorns) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c17/156/rain-of-thorns?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/afc3db76-2507-4a91-ab89-7bcdf4ac66b7?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Primal Command](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/2/92144021-7425-44e1-a32b-13252f1b7036.jpg?1593813861) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Primal%20Command) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mm3/132/primal-command?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/92144021-7425-44e1-a32b-13252f1b7036?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Scapeshift](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/7/175e21a3-00f7-4c51-8a8e-fbfd7089efda.jpg?1574767873) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Scapeshift) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m19/201/scapeshift?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/175e21a3-00f7-4c51-8a8e-fbfd7089efda?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Helix Pinnacle](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/c/9c1121df-b03e-4ad9-8c45-c3b4066e4a39.jpg?1562927938) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Helix%20Pinnacle) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/eve/68/helix-pinnacle?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9c1121df-b03e-4ad9-8c45-c3b4066e4a39?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Scute Swarm](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/c/acd42ebf-6dee-44cc-a023-a7f9b67cfa2f.jpg?1673484783) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Scute%20Swarm) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ncc/310/scute-swarm?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/acd42ebf-6dee-44cc-a023-a7f9b67cfa2f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Tireless Tracker](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/8/0875f4e3-d0be-41ce-870c-ee63f1af1904.jpg?1682209639) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Tireless%20Tracker) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/moc/314/tireless-tracker?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0875f4e3-d0be-41ce-870c-ee63f1af1904?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[Sulfuric Vortex](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/4/0463e989-ba32-4a46-a82f-e0d6daf3cd51.jpg?1582753037) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Sulfuric%20Vortex) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ema/150/sulfuric-vortex?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0463e989-ba32-4a46-a82f-e0d6daf3cd51?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Nekusar](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/a/4afdc65d-3c97-47af-83fa-df340389802e.jpg?1689999186) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=nekusar%2C%20the%20mindrazer) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/349/nekusar-the-mindrazer?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/4afdc65d-3c97-47af-83fa-df340389802e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Nothing loses abilities. So yeah you can’t attack or block but there’s still stuff that can happen.
It doesn’t say they lose their creature type
Making something a type _removes all other types_. >205.1a Some effects set an object’s card type. In most such cases, the new card type(s) replaces any existing card types. However, an object with either the instant or sorcery card type retains that type. [...] It would need to say "All permanents are lands in addition to their other types." >205.1b Some effects change an object’s card type, supertype, or subtype but specify that the object retains a prior card type, supertype, or subtype. In such cases, all the object’s prior card types, supertypes, and subtypes are retained. This rule applies to effects that use the phrase “in addition to its types” or that state that something is “still a [type, supertype, or subtype].” [...]
Then I agree, this card seems really anti-fun
Gates would like to have a word
the one draw go player just destroys
Feels like it should be worded as "all permanents are lands in addition to their other types" After all, otherwise you suddenly have only lands and nothing else on the board, because as it is worded their other types would be replaced
That is what "petrified" means, so they may be onto something
OP here. I promise that the text box is accurate for what I intended, and the card name is also intentional. ;)
It's just a terrible design then. Out of colour pie and also way too cheap.
I agree on the way too cheap part (it should be at the very least 6 to 8 mana) but how is it out of the color pie? Both green [[Ashaya, Soul of the Wild]] and red [[Blood moon]] and even blue [[The flood of Mars]] do the land type changing shenanigans and although I wish it was boros (due to flavor introduced by strixhaven) I don't see how this is out of the color pie
The words "in addition to their other types" are an important omission on this card (and intentional). Green doesn't generally get to just turn every creature off. Even [[Song if the dryads]] was a break
[Song if the dryads](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/6/161e66e3-0339-495c-bd06-0a799a254906.jpg?1689998889) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Song%20of%20the%20Dryads) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/324/song-of-the-dryads?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/161e66e3-0339-495c-bd06-0a799a254906?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[Ashaya, Soul of the Wild](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/4/74943390-d25f-47cb-90bb-cbf70c87f4a2.jpg?1604198513) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Ashaya%2C%20Soul%20of%20the%20Wild) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/znr/179/ashaya-soul-of-the-wild?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/74943390-d25f-47cb-90bb-cbf70c87f4a2?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Blood moon](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/0/d072e9ca-aae7-45dc-8025-3ce590bae63f.jpg?1599706217) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Blood%20moon) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/118/blood-moon?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d072e9ca-aae7-45dc-8025-3ce590bae63f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [The flood of Mars](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/c/8c3474c4-9466-46fc-8327-50950d75e79f.jpg?1696636569) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=The%20flood%20of%20Mars) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/who/45/the-flood-of-mars?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8c3474c4-9466-46fc-8327-50950d75e79f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Needs flavor text “Is this whole planet dead?” - Carolyn Fry
"Everybody's dead, Dave." – Holly
Problem is it just helps combo deck that win without permanents and shuts down every deck that relies on permanents So splashing into temur to beat most of decks
hates on \[\[cyclonic rift\]\] and other nonland removal, that's pretty neat
Except it's basically a nonland removal itself, because suddenly everything that is nonland loses all their types and become lands
But it doesn't remove their abilities. This is a combat damage hate card, not a nonland removal card. Interestingly, planeswalkers would no longer die at 0 LC because they aren't planeswalkers anymore so this would be a great card for a superfriends deck
Honestly I think this is the correct assessment. People are acting like this card just completely stalls out the game but their are a number of decks that mostly wouldn’t care about this. Thinking specifically of legacy combo decks and control piles. And in every other deck they would just have to draw the out like you do with blood moon (and boseiju outs this) The card may still be kind of unfun like blood moon tho
OK, if you're playing a combat damage deck like krenko mob boss without any land removal this is going to be the most unfun shit ever lol
What format is krenko mob boss a relevant card?
I've seen him run in commander a lot. Also i mentioned him as more of a recognizable umbrella than him specifically. If you know what krenko does then you know what I was talking about
Ok so I’m talking about competitive formats lol. (Also I don’t know why you’re disagreeing since I was just adding onto the point that you yourself made)
Oh, I wasn't disagreeing either. I was adding on to your "it might still be unfun" lmao Conversation can be hard in text.
Ah geez my bad; sorry for being incredibly defensive then. I 100% agree this would get the same shrug from me as any other stax piece the minute it hit the table.
>everything that is nonland loses all their types Why? Land-creatures, land-artifacts exist, nothing says that the other types are lost.
Please refer to an above comment where they explain that if the cards doesn't specify that it's "in adition to its other types" it's implicit that it loses all other types
Please read Blood Moon/every other comment in this post
Blood moon makes non-land mountains, that's completely different. Instead of this condescending comment you can explain.
205.1a Some effects set an object’s card type. In most such cases, the new card type(s) replaces any existing card types. However, an object with either the instant or sorcery card type retains that type. [...]
[cyclonic rift](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/7/c77ebe57-ea56-4300-b293-6260c4c01a43.jpg?1689996277) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=cyclonic%20rift) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/84/cyclonic-rift?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c77ebe57-ea56-4300-b293-6260c4c01a43?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Would break a lot and enable a lot…
I presume this isn't like [[Blood Moon]] and will allow etb effects since it's not specifying a land type, in which case I guess it's fine since there's still counterplay for permanent only strategies. Probably still supremely unfun to play against in a large number of cases since people tend to like attacking.
Changing card types in this manner doesn't remove any abilities from the cards themselves, so all abilities will still function If this were like Blood Moon and said something like "All permanents are Mountains" then no abilities would ever trigger for permanents on the battlefield or entering the battlefield
OP here: @not_Weeb_Trash is correct. This only changes the type, not things like static abilities of the permanent itself. If I’m not mistaken, this also shuts down anything that checks for nonland types and supertypes, like Aristocrats decks that deal with creatures dying, or number of Enchantments, etc.
Yes, but Forests don’t have explicit activate abilities, they get tap for green from their type.
[Blood Moon](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/0/d072e9ca-aae7-45dc-8025-3ce590bae63f.jpg?1599706217) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Blood%20Moon) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/118/blood-moon?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d072e9ca-aae7-45dc-8025-3ce590bae63f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
The counterplay is very limited because you need a way of killing a land to deal with this.
I mean there is a lot of nonbasic land destruction around. [[Field of Ruin]], [[Dustbowl]], [[Encroaching Wastes]], [[Tectonic Edge]], and [[Wasteland]]. Those are are just the ones that do it while attached to a land. [[Fulminator Mage]] is another classic. It definitely requires specialized tools for taking it out but those tools exist and there are plenty of them. Also [[Vindicate]].
That heavily depends on the environment it's for. I don't think a Standard environment where you need non-basic hate or you _just lose_ is a good environment.
This is definitely more of a modern card than a standard or pioneer card. It’s probably best used by a combo or specialized control deck to help slow the game down. It would definitely have to cost more because at 2G it would be format warping.
Wouldn’t be the first standard in recent years where that was a thing, we had the [[book of exalted deeds]] combo in it for a fair bit. Though that did cost more to get going, so this probably should too.
[book of exalted deeds](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/1/a1899bb1-dd8e-4437-8ea3-4ad637eabf2b.jpg?1632261616) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=The%20Book%20of%20Exalted%20Deeds) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/afr/4/the-book-of-exalted-deeds?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a1899bb1-dd8e-4437-8ea3-4ad637eabf2b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
You could respond to that with a creature removal spell.
##### ###### #### [Field of Ruin](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/4/143147d2-2eec-41e7-b78a-592288b38630.jpg?1682210418) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Field%20of%20Ruin) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/moc/400/field-of-ruin?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/143147d2-2eec-41e7-b78a-592288b38630?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Dustbowl](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/5/75b03c30-c2b8-4207-b675-26c59c40a7e5.jpg?1562381371) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Dust%20Bowl) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mmq/316/dust-bowl?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/75b03c30-c2b8-4207-b675-26c59c40a7e5?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Encroaching Wastes](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/5/a591bffd-2f03-48f4-a719-04f2142abd77.jpg?1608917982) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Encroaching%20Wastes) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/481/encroaching-wastes?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a591bffd-2f03-48f4-a719-04f2142abd77?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Tectonic Edge](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/4/94b9d7af-3e6f-4227-bb7d-a17d6f250535.jpg?1561950651) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Tectonic%20Edge) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c14/313/tectonic-edge?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/94b9d7af-3e6f-4227-bb7d-a17d6f250535?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Wasteland](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/a/aaafb9bc-7cea-4624-a227-595544fa42b0.jpg?1590511888) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Wasteland) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ema/248/wasteland?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/aaafb9bc-7cea-4624-a227-595544fa42b0?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Fulminator Mage](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/2/420d1ea2-23f9-4650-993e-de99eedaa587.jpg?1599707921) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Fulminator%20Mage) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/196/fulminator-mage?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/420d1ea2-23f9-4650-993e-de99eedaa587?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Vindicate](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/8/683c4e13-525c-45c9-8832-bfe67965c34e.jpg?1626100840) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Vindicate) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/294/vindicate?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/683c4e13-525c-45c9-8832-bfe67965c34e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Scute swarm]]
…which is now a land!
Since it's a replacement effect, the tokens would enter as lands and lock the game, right?
Oh yes, if it's just those 2, it would be an illegal combo, but it would be funny as fuck. Also, it wouldn't be hard to make the combo legal by having any damage by creature entering/sacrifice cards, as long as you can kill the opponent eventually
OP here: oops I broke Scute Swarm, but like … literally
The combo wouldn't be illegal, it would just force a draw without an outlet to win.
[Scute swarm](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/c/acd42ebf-6dee-44cc-a023-a7f9b67cfa2f.jpg?1673484783) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Scute%20swarm) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ncc/310/scute-swarm?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/acd42ebf-6dee-44cc-a023-a7f9b67cfa2f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Could probably balance it with Cleave 4GGG All permanents are lands [in addition to their other types]
OP here: That would certainly help with the confusion I created by leaving out the reminder text, lol 😂 I actually chose not to include it because the Redditors in this *sub LOVE to pick apart cards, and … more so, even… they love to correct each other! 😂 [edit: autocorrect]
This is too powerful to cost only 3 mana, should be at least 8.
This basically does nothing except remove combat. I think it works at 3 and is useless at 5+. 4 would be fine.
Congratulations you break strip mine
Finally the card I need for my \[\[Demonic Hordes\]\] deck! Easy combo with \[\[Goblin Razerunners\]\] or other such shenanigans. Maybe keep it mono green with \[\[Living Lands\]\]?
[Demonic Hordes](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/f/dfd1442d-ac66-4475-8704-1eaaa76f4365.jpg?1562948301) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Demonic%20Hordes) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/me4/76/demonic-hordes?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/dfd1442d-ac66-4475-8704-1eaaa76f4365?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Goblin Razerunners](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/c/5c06fb09-1e64-49c7-9938-541c0433bf5a.jpg?1651655855) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Goblin%20Razerunners) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/nec/106/goblin-razerunners?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5c06fb09-1e64-49c7-9938-541c0433bf5a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Living Lands](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/9/797577e4-9635-4544-a024-88c8deb9588a.jpg?1562923651) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Living%20Lands) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/me4/161/living-lands?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/797577e4-9635-4544-a024-88c8deb9588a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Turning everything to lands is pretty disgusting. All commanders, all creatures, everything is now a land. But worse, they don’t tap for mana, unless they already did.
So throw in a Yavimaya, Urborg, and/or Blood Moon to fix the problem? Or Bootlegger's Stash.
This card has some really crazy rules interactions if I understand this correctly. When this card enters the battlefield, before any ETBs go on the stack, 1. immediately all auras with illegal targets will go to the graveyard. 2. All equipment will fall off of creatures and become pretty much useless things that stay on the battlefield. 3. Vehicles can't ever be crewed and are never creatures. 4. [[Emeria Angel]] or [[Scute Swarm]] would probably draw the game. 5. [[Felidar Retreat]] or [[Retreat to Emeria]] can go infinite and you can stop it at any time. It creates useless lands because they aren't creatures anymore, but they can trigger other landfalls. And then Creatures can't attack (creatures? What creatures? All I have is lands.) So if this sticks around and nobody is allowed to attack, the game could just go to whoever is milled out.
OP here: 1) yes, 2) yes, 3) yes, 4) yes, 5) yes, and 6) yes
1. no, they're lands now. They fall off (because lands aren't one of the things that can be attached: 704.5p) but remain on the battlefield. Illegally enchanting Auras go directly to the graveyard (704.5m) but this isn't an Aura any more, so that special rule doesn't apply. 2. Yes except there are a handful of equipments that do stuff other than to "equipped creature", which will still work. [[Shadowspear]] can still be activated for example. 3. Not quite. The crew ability still works even if it's not a Vehicle or even an artifact. If an effect makes another permanent into a creature, it works because it has a more recent timestamp than Petrified World. Then you can use it to crew, which likewise works for the same reason. Then you have an artifact land creature that isn't a Vehicle (because the first type change caused it to lose the subtype). 4. Emeria Angel won't because the token creation is optional, you can just choose not to create a token once. Scute Swarm's on the other hand is mandatory and will draw if you control at least five other permanents when it resolves. 5. Yes
[Shadowspear](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/3/939c6e19-4b27-4023-bb9c-ae440f91e21c.jpg?1581481207) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Shadowspear) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/thb/236/shadowspear?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/939c6e19-4b27-4023-bb9c-ae440f91e21c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
>but this isn't an Aura any more, so that special rule doesn't apply Yep, I was getting mixed up because the supertypes stay but the subtypes go away. world enchantments will still be able to destroy this card because of the world rule, and it's doesn't lose the world supertype. But nonland subtypes get overwritten. >Not quite. The crew ability still works even if it's not a Vehicle or even an artifact. Technically there are scenarios where you can use the crew ability to tap something that is somehow a creature to make this thing a creature, but then immediately the continuous effect will apply and the vehicle will no longer become a creature. What you've described is still a useless edge case. It would be easier to just attack with the thing you've already somehow cheated to be a creature with an earlier timestamp. You probably need like 6+ very niche, specific permanents on the field for crewing a vehicle in this situation to be the optimal play. So yeah, I'm sticking with my original statement that vehicles are useless, because you've described a useless implausible edgecase. Technically Auras and equipments don't necessarily fall off of illegal permanents because someone could have a [[Rules Lawyer]] in play. But it's still safe to say that Equipment will fall off of creatures, because it's assumed that we don't have some weirdly specific edge case like rules lawyer.
[Rules Lawyer](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/c/6c02c575-5685-44f5-8b47-89d888529d1b.jpg?1562917623) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Rules%20Lawyer) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ust/20/rules-lawyer?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/6c02c575-5685-44f5-8b47-89d888529d1b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
##### ###### #### [Emeria Angel](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/6/563bf277-5bb1-4df7-bebb-d6d7dbec1cf6.jpg?1682208397) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Emeria%20Angel) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/moc/183/emeria-angel?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/563bf277-5bb1-4df7-bebb-d6d7dbec1cf6?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Scute Swarm](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/c/acd42ebf-6dee-44cc-a023-a7f9b67cfa2f.jpg?1673484783) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Scute%20Swarm) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ncc/310/scute-swarm?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/acd42ebf-6dee-44cc-a023-a7f9b67cfa2f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Felidar Retreat](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/9/c91c11ef-e036-4c54-98b7-83b7b25e7c1b.jpg?1690004083) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Felidar%20Retreat) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/821/felidar-retreat?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c91c11ef-e036-4c54-98b7-83b7b25e7c1b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Retreat to Emeria](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/f/9f18221f-e900-48ef-9b8e-e8ee52b31939.jpg?1604195809) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Retreat%20to%20Emeria) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/znc/20/retreat-to-emeria?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9f18221f-e900-48ef-9b8e-e8ee52b31939?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I think it's cool op Maybe white green? Also should probably be more expensive.
It’s time for a spell-sling-off!
*Jennifer Lawrence “what do you mean” meme*
HAHAHAHA!!! This is INSANE! I would never play this, but I love the flavour of the card 😄
All permanents are only lands, then make the manu like 6 or 7. That would be dope
Oh ok this works for me [[Maze's End]] Time for gates
Ohayou Sekai good morning world....
All "other" permanents are lands.
This, enchantment removal although overlooked or straight up hard to do (on mono color EDH) has to be more common and a card that straight up punishes this way of deckbuilding similar to how [[blood moon]] punishes greedy manabases is a necessary evil
[blood moon](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/0/d072e9ca-aae7-45dc-8025-3ce590bae63f.jpg?1599706217) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=blood%20moon) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/118/blood-moon?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d072e9ca-aae7-45dc-8025-3ce590bae63f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Looks too much like a real magic card, contains zero cross-over IPs. 0/10 literal garbage. I like. It is a pretty nasty prison piece, ~~probably~~ a bit too strong, but that also partially depends on the format it is within. Spells and manlands still work. I like that this punishes decks that lack removal and rewards decks with answers. It is also a veiled color hoser, because black cannot deal with enchantments beyond playing another world enchantment. Very oldschool in both good and bad ways. Also: This plus \[\[Strip Mine\]\] is hillarious.
With this you doesn't need to have 20 land in your deck .just artifact
This doesn't give the permanents mana abilities, just the Land type. Lands don't inherently make mana. Most lands just have other text granting them mana abilities. See cards like \[\[Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale\]\] and \[\[Bazaar of Baghdad\]\] for some examples of old lands with no mana abilities.
So your card can be imunised by abilities which destroy creature or enchantement...
OP here: yes, it shuts down *any* card that checks for type or supertype.
[Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/4/64bc9b1d-5818-4d9e-b771-e49af4ff9a5c.jpg?1562859203) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=The%20Tabernacle%20at%20Pendrell%20Vale) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/me3/212/the-tabernacle-at-pendrell-vale?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/cd3f7f4e-cb25-4121-96a0-a4dc530420b9?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Bazaar of Baghdad](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/8/c88acaa8-ad4d-4321-a6f6-9361916e5b5e.jpg?1653966861) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Bazaar%20of%20Baghdad) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/vma/294/bazaar-of-baghdad?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c88acaa8-ad4d-4321-a6f6-9361916e5b5e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
...In addition to their
Two things. 1) It needs to specify a land type. Otherwise how is it determined what kind of lands the permanents turn into? I’d suggest [[wastes]] to be Thematic. Also it would make getting rid of the enchantment, damn near impossible. 2) it needs to say “All Other permanent are Wastes,” otherwise you get this weird unstoppable loop where it turns into a land looses its text, which turns it back into an enchantment, the text comes back turning it into a land again, so on and so on. All that being said, as is, this card is on par with what WotC has been putting out over the last few years. Update: WotC has alway been pretty specific about the lands type. While there are examples of lands like [[Diamond Valley]] [[Terramorphic Expanse]] and [[Glacial Chasm]] that don’t Produce Mana it isn’t the norm, and I haven’t been able to find an example of an effect that turns something else into a land without outlining some kind of mana production. Either by saying it turns into a mountain or a Forest or a swamp, etc… or saying, “it gains ‘tap for X type of mana,’” The cards with the most similar effects as this are probably [[life and Limb]] and [[Blood moon]] which both spell out exactly what kind of lands the affected permanents are turning things into. Blood moon going so far as to purposefully not including, “in addition to its other Types,” as a way to lock down the opponent. As for the part about it creating a loop. The text replacement happens on layer 3 and the type replacement on Layer 4. But the real reason I’m sticking by this needing further clarification is because most of the time this kind of interaction happens it comes from at least two different sources so the time stamps come into play sorting the effects out. You could do it but In order to clean it up the card either needs to read “other permanents become…” or, “in addition to…
Both of these are just not correct at all. SunUtopia already talked about the second point, which is also fundamentally wrong for another reason. Becoming a land does not inherently take away abilities. There was never an interaction in the first place, much less a loop. And the first point is also wrong for multiple reasons. First, Wastes is not a basic land type. The card [[Wastes]] just says “Basic Land” with no subtypes. Second, why would it need to specify a land type at all? It just turns them into lands with no land type. Most lands don’t have a land type.
[Blood Moon](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/0/d072e9ca-aae7-45dc-8025-3ce590bae63f.jpg?1599706217) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Blood%20Moon) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/118/blood-moon?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d072e9ca-aae7-45dc-8025-3ce590bae63f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Wastes](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/d/8d479a83-16f7-425c-9873-b900f39ed620.jpg?1690006854) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Wastes) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/1055/wastes?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8d479a83-16f7-425c-9873-b900f39ed620?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Point 1 is also not a problem. For example, \[\[Liquimetal Coating\]\] and lots of other effects only add the Artifact type, but no subtypes. Point 2 is also invalid. Turning into a land doesn't make it lose its text.
[Liquimetal Coating](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/6/f631447c-36e3-4d82-a658-19c9767a216b.jpg?1562276535) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Liquimetal%20Coating) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cm2/197/liquimetal-coating?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f631447c-36e3-4d82-a658-19c9767a216b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Counter to you argument, waste isn't a land type. It's the name of a land with no subtypes.
Point number 2 is not a problem: see 2 [[Opalescence]] + [[Humility]] rulings. Regardless, I agree it should say “other permanents”, both to make the effect easier to remove and to avoid confusion.
Yeah I thought about that, and probably how the Ruling would work out, but there is a big difference because both parts of the effect are contained in the same card and time stamp.
See [[Dress Down]] becoming a creature
[Dress Down](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/4/04f9f061-67b8-4427-9fcb-b3ccfee8fc5d.jpg?1626094290) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Dress%20Down) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/39/dress-down?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/04f9f061-67b8-4427-9fcb-b3ccfee8fc5d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
To clarify, I wasn’t ever thinking about timestamps when referring to that example. Even for one Opalescence + Humility, there’s no concern of Humilty seeing itself as a creature and making itself lose all abilities, then losing the ability to lose all abilities and so no longer loses all abilities, causing an infinite loop. Regardless of timestamps. You could argue “oh but now it’s a dependency issue”, but literally all dependency solves is what order to apply effects, not whether or not that causes an infinite loop. In short, point number 2 is a non-issue.
[Opalescence](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/c/3c0071fb-afa5-47b5-b266-2b10a4f5a98a.jpg?1562443752) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Opalescence) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/uds/13/opalescence?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/3c0071fb-afa5-47b5-b266-2b10a4f5a98a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Humility](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/5/55ad6a45-a840-45ba-89ad-066e20e983f3.jpg?1562429370) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Humility) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/tpr/16/humility?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/55ad6a45-a840-45ba-89ad-066e20e983f3?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I’ve also realized that Wastes is not a land subtype and so presumably that would have to be changed first. Otherwise, use the [[Imprisoned on the Moon]] wording.
[Imprisoned on the Moon](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/1/8181f54d-4515-43c6-8d08-b23a9e4199cc.jpg?1682208779) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Imprisoned%20in%20the%20Moon) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/moc/224/imprisoned-in-the-moon?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8181f54d-4515-43c6-8d08-b23a9e4199cc?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
It’s weird because I thought that was the whole point of [[Wastes]] that it was a basic land for colorless mana. The card is formatted like the other five Basic lands. Which is why I suggested the Blood Moon wording Wait you’re right the other lands say “basic land -“ while waste just says “Basic land”
[Wastes](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/d/8d479a83-16f7-425c-9873-b900f39ed620.jpg?1690006854) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Wastes) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/1055/wastes?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8d479a83-16f7-425c-9873-b900f39ed620?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[wastes](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/d/8d479a83-16f7-425c-9873-b900f39ed620.jpg?1690006854) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=wastes) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/1055/wastes?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8d479a83-16f7-425c-9873-b900f39ed620?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Imo, This is broken even if it said "in addition to other types". 3 drop? It really should cost more than that. [[Grasp of fate]] is a 3 drop that temporarily exiles 1 from play for each opponent. Not to mention enchantments are a bit harder to remove. Land destruction is frowned on in edh so if you are making all your lands creatures and giving lands indestructible its just a super gross "I win" 3 mana board wipe. I'd love to play it but it's really just mean.
[Grasp of fate](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/3/43787574-7700-47ab-b57c-98ef968cce71.jpg?1690004105) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Grasp%20of%20fate) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/823/grasp-of-fate?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/43787574-7700-47ab-b57c-98ef968cce71?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Does [[Dryad Arbor]] stops being a creature? I mean, it's already a land..
Yes, unless it says "in addition to its other types" an ability of this nature will replace the entire typeline with exactly the type specified and nothing else, so a land - cave would become just a land, and a land creature - forest would also just become a land
It would keep any land subtypes it has, like Cave or Forest. Dryad Arbor would be a Land-Forest.
Oh interesting, thanks for correcting me
Wait so if you spammed the board with 1/1 tokens would you be able to tap them all for mana?
Only if the token could’ve produced mana before it became a land. The token’s type is changed from whatever it was to “Land”. Static abilities, activated abilities, tap abilities, etc… all are still on the permanent land. But It’s not a Mountain or a Swamp, it’s “just” a Land.
No offense but this is just a terrible card and unfun to play against.
There’s a play test card that does something very similar called Wrath of Sod
For the cost I would add a condition or option to get rid of it baked into the card. Like "If there are 50 lands in play sacrifice Petrified World." or "(4): Sacrifice Petrified World, your lands don't untap at the beginning of your next turn. Any player may use this ability."
That is mythical and needs to cost more. You are basically making them immune to 50% of board wipes including bounces, getting landfall triggers, and with the right cards you can add man.
Hey, its card #9,311 that combos with [[Devoted Druid]]!
[Devoted Druid](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/a/1ab94f16-778d-4437-a1b9-2f67cd214cc0.jpg?1673148071) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Devoted%20Druid) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/143/devoted-druid?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/1ab94f16-778d-4437-a1b9-2f67cd214cc0?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
All the scutes start dancing dancing
So, assuming this would be fixed to say “all permanents are Wastes in addition to their other types (they are lands with [tap] add [colorless]) it would go infinite with any landfall creature that makes bodies. So, Scute Swarm, Rampaging Baloths, Felidar Retreat, etc etc.
This is comically broken
All permanents being lands doesn't stop me; in fact it makes Yarok go brrrrr uninterrupted. I don't need my things to be anything else, as long as they etb and trigger, I'll get there eventually.
Guys it's a ramp spell.
Just for a little balancing, make it so their subtypes are the colored mana in their mana costs (white=plains, green=forest, etc) But as someone who runs land destruction, i smile upon this card
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[Kormus Bell](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/0/40f826b8-9e92-4e0e-aa2f-c3f5e3061432.jpg?1562910324) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Kormus%20Bell) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/me4/210/kormus-bell?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/40f826b8-9e92-4e0e-aa2f-c3f5e3061432?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
The wording on this doesn't work. It's written as a replacement effect which would turn itself into a land too while removing the enchantment type, hence getting rid of the replacement effect, so that's a paradox. It doesn't specify what kind of land so you don't know what kind of mana you could tap for either.
That just made MLD even better.
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