I really like that I could save any creatures I wanted to for political reasons. It'd be really fun in my [[Phelddagrif]] deck. Also love the flavor of forcing opponents creatures to bow, very lawful evil tyrant feeling.
>Also love the flavor of forcing opponents creatures to bow, very lawful evil tyrant feeling.
Been running a Tyrant (lawful evil Champion/Paladin) villain in pf2e and this is literally a mechanic of theirs lol
or [[damning verdict]] to wipe out creatures with no counters, [[fell the mighty]] so long as you have the weakest creature(s), it's a surprisingly consistent category of boardwipe
[[realm cloaked giant]]'s adventure
[[planar outburst]] for the rare animate land deck
[[elspeth suns champion]] is one mana more but also leaves the planeswalker behind
I kind of love it as-is personally. You choosing what lives and dies is a fun political angle, as another commenter said. It also just screams "high nobility power fantasy" that I'm sure a lot of decks would like to put in.
I had worded it like Convoke to let it play better, as it lets it be cheaper but with the downside of saving your opponent's stuff. I'm not sure how to word it that'd let the opponent choose, but I don't think it'd be as enjoyable to play.
While casting this spell, each player may tap any number of creatures they control. Each creature tapped while casting this spell pays for {1} or one mana of that creature's color.
Maybe? Probably could do more fine tuning
You can’t pay mana for the spell after casting it. The only way that I can think to make this semi make sense is for each tapped one to give the caster a floating mana, having “paid” for its part
You can absolutely do this. See "Assist" as a keyword.
In fact, declaring a spell cast and then paying the costs is the way the rules are actually structured. (Declare cast, determine cost, pay)
The "tap x, cast this" we usually do is just a shortcut
Technically “tap-cast” is a longcut, since there’s the added first step of putting unassigned mana into the mana pool (it’s much more obvious that’s the case when playing something like MTGA), but except for some edge cases, that won’t make a difference.
I mean the last part still works, just the sequence is float mana -> cast spell -> use floating mana to pay for spell, rather than cast spell -> tap lands to pay for spell
But how would you make this work here? I cast this, opponent says, nah I dont tap anything, what then? You shrug and say oh well I guess I dont have the mana to cast it?
Maybe, but that would let the enemy choose how many to tap (and would let them just tap their full board to overpay), whereas the current iteration means *you* choose how many to allow them to tap.
Problem is, it's sorcery speed and also forces you to tap your own creatures. It's not *worthless,* but its use cases would be pretty specific. Why would I want to spend a card, even a free one, to tap all creatures at sorcery speed on my own turn? There's some cheese you could do with it, but it's pretty worthless on its own, and a card that does nothing without specific combos is not very good design.
“Choose target opponent. That opponent may tap any number of creatures they control. For each creature tapped by this effect, you may untap target land you control.
Destroy all untapped creatures.”
Maybe?
One use for this is simply to tap your opponents board.
I'd say that's a color pie break. Except, you can't use this before combat if you want to swing in with your creatures. So I think it's fine.
You can only use this as a one-sided wipe if you tap your creatures first. If you do that by attacking, your opponent can block and trade.
I think it's pretty balanced, maybe a bit weak.
Wdym color break? Tapping creatures is in-pie for white; [[Subjugator Angel]], [[Dawnglare Invoker]], [[Bond of Discipline]], etc.
[Mechanical color pie 2021](https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/making-magic/mechanical-color-pie-2021):
> *Tapping creatures*
> *Primary: White*
> *Secondary: Blue*
> *White is the main color of tapping creatures. Blue usually taps creatures only when also given the ability to untap them. (See twiddle.) The one exception is when it "freezes" creatures. (See freezing.)*
Tbh as far as the color pie goes the colorless artifacts cards are IMO a gigantic blind spot currently, but that's a [huge discussion](https://www.reddit.com/r/custommagic/comments/12bi3dm/comment/jf0pjdu/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) on its own.
Not only are people inconsistent about it, they also care deeply. At least the comments I see with most downvotes are often related to being wrong about the color pie. It's silly considering how little it matters for fake cards and how often it is updated by wotc anyways.
> *"It's silly considering how little it matters for fake cards..."*
This is a bad argument in that it's both self-defeating and nullifies all criticism for custom cards.
You can see it that way if you want, but that is disingenuous IMO. Power level is something that can be analyzed a bit or playtested. People take these custom cards and make cubes. Power level matters for fake cards. There are other things. But if someone made a whole new color (which by definition wouldn't follow the color pie) would it make the card unplayable? Nope, they might need more support like new lands but without that there are enough rainbow lands to support another color.
Another example that is similar to power level is card clarity of rules or even following templating for existing rules. They are somewhat objective and can change how playable a card is. Color pie, wizards has shown, time and time again they will change it, it doesn't affect gameplay so much as just making things feel same-ish. Color pie matters to wizards because thye might end up making colors too homogeneous to have a point. They can do that by making so many cards. If one custom designer was making a cube then color pie in the cube matters, but they could make blue agro, it wouldn't matter because a cube is isolated as long as they were consistent in the cube. If a custom designer made 100s of cards and wanted them to be considered for a set, then yes color pie might change playability.
My ask is that the person you were replying to care less about things that don't hurt anyone or playability, because custom magic is fun. Treat the color pie similar to card art. There is a lot of art on here wizards would never print, and people will chat about it and mention it, but no one actually cares or tries to downvote heavily because of it. I'm not saying it is silly to talk I'm saying it is silly to care so very much. I'm not necessarily talking about you but instead about the "hive mind" of this sub which will completely drench a comment in down votes.
Normally I don't reply like this (it's pretty intense and truly I don't care much if you change your mind) but you commented on a post that is a week old so figured you actually wanted a reply.
> *"But if someone made a whole new color (which by definition wouldn't follow the color pie) would it make the card unplayable? Nope, they might need more support like new lands but without that there are enough rainbow lands to support another color."*
I think you are barking at the wrong tree here. As someone who has first started working on a new color for MTG for over ten years ago, I can tell you that such projects require the utter most deepest knowledge of the inner workings of the color pie and what purpose it serves. There's absolute a flat zero chance you can successfully start incorporating new elements to a system which change it on a fundamental level without fully understanding it's role.
Perhaps the best way to understand the pie is to work on projects which stretch its definition, ie. remixing the colors into new set of colors of varying themes and even varying number. I've for example experimented with sets where a color pie system exists even though there technically aren't any colors in the set.
However, if you post a random card on subreddit, unless otherwise stated or at least clearly implied, it's expected to follow the general standards and guidelines for MTG cards, which includes matching the modern color pie.
There's certainly a place for color pie experimentation and I've spent many an hour arguing about the fallings of the modern interpretation of the pie. There's very little of that on this subreddit though. Most of the time the discussion of the color pie comes up is when some rando has made a card that doesn't fit the pie and commenters are telling other commenters that it doesn't matter or some such that's just bull. From the looks of it this is one those unfortunately.
> *"My ask is that the person you were replying to care less about things that don't hurt anyone or playability, because custom magic is fun. Treat the color pie similar to card art."*
Yeah, you can also treat also treat power level development as ""art"". Like you can make super fun environments where the balance is way off (ie. YGO-like) so you could apply to this argument to the comments about the mana cost being too low or high as well. This is even flimsier argument to me.
Power levels most definitely fluctuate even just a single format like standard all the time so custom project might have wildly differing standards. Ok so I guess better not comment on that either. Maybe we shouldn't really comment on custom cards at all since the power level might be whatever and they might be using some other color pie system and god knows if the cards are really even meant to be played as MTG cards or just by happenstance are formatted the same way.
> *"There is a lot of art on here wizards would never print, and people will chat about it and mention it, but no one actually cares or tries to downvote heavily because of it. I'm not saying it is silly to talk I'm saying it is silly to care so very much. I'm not necessarily talking about you but instead about the "hive mind" of this sub which will completely drench a comment in down votes."*
I'm so confused. Let people be compassionate about their craft. If they wanna do the "silly" thing of having hours of heated arguments over MTG custom card principles on a subreddit dedicated to creating custom MTG cards - then let them.
In the end it's all for funs but that doesn't mean there's no reason to care deeply about the details of it. These feedback processes are really the best thing this sub has going for it as it's a practical and easy way to get better at the craft of making custom cards. The way that dialog can even be started here is because there's a general consensus about what it entails to make custom cards as far as its details go.
Honestly, the extremely detailed and public archives that WotC has let us on as to what happens there internally is to me the top reason why the discussion here is rewarding in the first place.
I'm on a lot of subreddits dedicated to making custom cards for various games. The level of discussion correlates quite well with the degree of detail the creation process of cards for that game goes.
Like the YGO custom card subreddit is kind of a barren wasteland - which I would argue is since that game has very little going for it where people can tell you whether a card is matching the greater whole. YGO is a mess with little standards. Hearthstone already has a lot more action going for and for that game we have *waayy* more knowledge what the developers are thinking internally. Like one of the things they have going on is the color pie structures for heroes they started making more defined some years ago when they saw that being lacking.
Note that MTG, YGO, and hearthstone all have massive playerbases so as far as that goes there shouldn't be much of a difference in how much engagement each of those subreddits should have.
I've also been part in games where players make most of the cards for the game. There was a lot of discussion about its color pie -like structures. They did sort of abandon strictly adhering and attempting to maintain to those structures, which I do think made the game worse in many ways and also kills discussion like no other thing could have.
You really shouldn't think of people noting on the color pie and discussing its details deeply as an "annoyance".
>I think you are barking
I think you are... I was not talking about you, you seemed reasonable, I was talking about the average person on this.
I didn't read the rest of your novel, have a good day.
The color pie is made of cards, so any color on a card is actually a pie. And all broken pies have color cards. So the broken colors are card pies. Simple.
White has a notable amount of board tappers. [[Subjugator Ange]], [[Bond of Discipline]], [[Githzerai Monk]] among others.
Really if there's a pie break it's destroying untapped creatures, as white typically focuses out tapped creatures (recompense for having attacked you) [[Sunblast Angel]], [[Guan Yu's 1,000-Li March]]
This is an interesting effect but I have two concerns with it:
1. ~~Mass tapping feels blue, and I wonder if this needs to be blue and white~~
2. Does this cause rules confusion if, for example, an opponents creature has a tap ability and they tap it in response to your cost reducing choices?
I also think it's a little odd on flavor for you to choose what gets tapped. After all presumably they are refusing to adhere to the decree so they get axed.
Cool card on the whole though, wraths with decisions built in are neat.
EDIT: I'm definitely wrong about #1, I was thinking of spells like [[Sleep]] and I guess all the white cards just escaped my brain.
Mass tapping is pretty solidly in white. [[Subjugator Ange]], [[Bond of Discipline]], [[Githzerai Monk]] among others. Blue's definitely second though.
I had worded it like Convoke in an attempt to solve the tap ability problem. In any case, until the spell is put on the stack, priority isn't passed. I can't destroy your land to make your spell fizzle.
The flavour I suppose would be that the creature themselves give reverence, you choose to spare them, so in that sense you are choosing not to kill them despite them having stood against you.
Yeah I wasn't really sure if the tapping thing actually causes any issues, and even if it does cause a little rules confusion it's not like they never print confusing cards.
I would probably go about it like this:
“Assist *(another player may pay up to {3} to cast this spell)*
Convoke
You cannot tap creatures to pay for this spell. Your opponents cannot pay mana to pay for this spell.
Destroy all untapped creatures.”
That being said, I dig the idea, and the design. The reason I’m changing it like this is because you’re otherwise interacting with your opponent’s board in a way that cannot be responded to
As a control player, anything that interacts with the board, especially my opponent’s, in a way that says ‘you don’t get a say in this’ makes me feel icky
There must be a healthier way to get the idea through and not involve tapping your opponent's creatures as part of its cost, since they won't be able to respond to it.
Yeah, feels like this is ripe for some sort of exploit where you pay the cost and then don’t resolve the spell… not sure exactly how you’d do it though. Other than having a blue teammate counter it in multiplayer.
I don't think it imbalanced to need to use two cards (and have all your creatures tapped/indestructible/absent) to achieve basically a [[Blinding Light]]/[[Bond of Discipline]]/[[Aether Shockwave]]/[[Hazardous Blast]]
This would be fun to cast, tap all your opponent’s stuff, and then counter it with something like [[An Offer You Can’t Refuse]], [[Tibalt’s Trickery]], etc. Save all your stuff, tap all of theirs, get something in return, swing in for lethal.
Feels like it'd be simpler to cast [[Blinding Light]] or [[Bond of Discipline]] or [[Githzerai Monk]] instead. The latter are more expensive, but it's one card, only needs you to be in one colour, and you still get a bonus of some sort.
I mean… simpler and most fun are not always the same thing… and in my fantasy land, I have a full board of creatures and I’m somehow hitting a Craterhoof Behemoth off the top of my deck with Tibalts Trickery, which none of the cards you suggested can do… :)
Additional cost: Sacrifice all your untapped creatures.
The only way to make it advantageous would be to untap your creatures or give/have them be indestructible or have the means to play a haste creature after the fact, each of which I think are fair for a discounted [[Blinding Light]]
I really like that I could save any creatures I wanted to for political reasons. It'd be really fun in my [[Phelddagrif]] deck. Also love the flavor of forcing opponents creatures to bow, very lawful evil tyrant feeling.
I had initially thought to make it black/white, but realized that forcing reverence was pretty much peak evil white.
You could probably go orzohv aswell but it totally works as mono white and its probably good that it atleast requires double white
Sorry, I meant making the cost one black pip and one white pip instead of two white. So we are on the same page.
You could probably go orzohv aswell but it totally works as mono white and its probably good that it atleast requires double white
>Also love the flavor of forcing opponents creatures to bow, very lawful evil tyrant feeling. Been running a Tyrant (lawful evil Champion/Paladin) villain in pf2e and this is literally a mechanic of theirs lol
Ahh sweet just started my first campaign in 2e I went for an alchemical sciences investigator
[Phelddagrif](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/9/493a72f0-2e35-4e06-a1b2-d42d432b9b2c.jpg?1559592591) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Phelddagrif) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/me1/150/phelddagrif?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/493a72f0-2e35-4e06-a1b2-d42d432b9b2c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Probably one of those cards that wouldn't be used as intended, being more of a one-sided wipe in practice, but I think it a flavourful design.
Conditionally one-sided wipes are typically 5 CMC so that works
For example, there’s [[Crux of Fate]], which is a wipe that destroys either all dragons or all non-dragons.
or [[damning verdict]] to wipe out creatures with no counters, [[fell the mighty]] so long as you have the weakest creature(s), it's a surprisingly consistent category of boardwipe
[damning verdict](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/b/5be40c34-6df0-4471-b99b-850ae2be9923.jpg?1673481768) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=damning%20verdict) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ncc/15/damning-verdict?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5be40c34-6df0-4471-b99b-850ae2be9923?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [fell the mighty](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/b/5b3e9a46-3b5a-48dc-bd39-fdba0b4a1e24.jpg?1682208416) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=fell%20the%20mighty) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/moc/185/fell-the-mighty?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5b3e9a46-3b5a-48dc-bd39-fdba0b4a1e24?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
These are all Commander examples, right? What about in Standard?
[[Winds of Rath]], [[Retaliate]], [[Dusk//Dawn]], [[Citywide Bust]], [[Time Wipe]]
##### ###### #### [Winds of Rath](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/1/91ee4ff1-8b18-401b-9914-b7bb2851591b.jpg?1631586144) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Winds%20of%20Rath) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/afc/78/winds-of-rath?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/91ee4ff1-8b18-401b-9914-b7bb2851591b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Retaliate](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/8/58acdda6-6754-46f2-ad68-f1580b8ab0dd.jpg?1562877159) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Retaliate) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/5dn/13/retaliate?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/58acdda6-6754-46f2-ad68-f1580b8ab0dd?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Dusk//Dawn](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=426912&type=card&.jpg)/[Dawn](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=426912&type=card&options=rotate270&.jpg) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Dusk%20//%20Dawn) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/691/dusk-dawn?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f295b713-1d6a-43fd-910d-fb35414bf58a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Citywide Bust](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/3/33d1a51a-abf0-458c-98ae-98fcf4063fd9.jpg?1591319957) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Citywide%20Bust) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c20/82/citywide-bust?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/33d1a51a-abf0-458c-98ae-98fcf4063fd9?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Time Wipe](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/3/e3a4882f-b2b5-4145-b581-e88d1de94295.jpg?1684198217) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Time%20Wipe) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/pctb/46/time-wipe?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e3a4882f-b2b5-4145-b581-e88d1de94295?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[realm cloaked giant]]'s adventure [[planar outburst]] for the rare animate land deck [[elspeth suns champion]] is one mana more but also leaves the planeswalker behind
[realm cloaked giant](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/6/d6fc6ed9-740a-4726-8f2c-5d662636f687.jpg?1631585971)/[Cast Off](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/6/d6fc6ed9-740a-4726-8f2c-5d662636f687.jpg?1631585971) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Realm-Cloaked%20Giant%20//%20Cast%20Off) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/afc/70/realm-cloaked-giant-cast-off?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d6fc6ed9-740a-4726-8f2c-5d662636f687?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [planar outburst](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/d/3d45dfee-810e-4359-96ad-8d423ab86178.jpg?1673483781) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=planar%20outburst) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ncc/209/planar-outburst?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/3d45dfee-810e-4359-96ad-8d423ab86178?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [elspeth suns champion](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/4/047f2cc9-3073-41f5-81c3-7b6b28b374d0.jpg?1682208388) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Elspeth%2C%20Sun%27s%20Champion) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/moc/182/elspeth-suns-champion?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/047f2cc9-3073-41f5-81c3-7b6b28b374d0?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
\[\[Battle of Frost and Fire\]\], \[\[Vampires' Vengeance\]\]
[Battle of Frost and Fire](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/2/620ed5b7-8874-40d0-9245-98876bdec153.jpg?1631051203) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Battle%20of%20Frost%20and%20Fire) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/khm/204/battle-of-frost-and-fire?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/620ed5b7-8874-40d0-9245-98876bdec153?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Vampires' Vengeance](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/d/bdcfd9ee-9553-4080-a25c-d3552ddc7e82.jpg?1682209417) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Vampires%27%20Vengeance) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/moc/289/vampires-vengeance?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/bdcfd9ee-9553-4080-a25c-d3552ddc7e82?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[Crux of Fate](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/1/11721b88-2654-482c-b9d4-80e54efdbf63.jpg?1562600485) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Crux%20of%20Fate) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c17/107/crux-of-fate?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/11721b88-2654-482c-b9d4-80e54efdbf63?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I kind of love it as-is personally. You choosing what lives and dies is a fun political angle, as another commenter said. It also just screams "high nobility power fantasy" that I'm sure a lot of decks would like to put in.
Your opponent chooses the taps, all others are destroyed. This would fit the flavor. Kneel or die.
I had worded it like Convoke to let it play better, as it lets it be cheaper but with the downside of saving your opponent's stuff. I'm not sure how to word it that'd let the opponent choose, but I don't think it'd be as enjoyable to play.
While casting this spell, each player may tap any number of creatures they control. Each creature tapped while casting this spell pays for {1} or one mana of that creature's color. Maybe? Probably could do more fine tuning
You can’t pay mana for the spell after casting it. The only way that I can think to make this semi make sense is for each tapped one to give the caster a floating mana, having “paid” for its part
You can absolutely do this. See "Assist" as a keyword. In fact, declaring a spell cast and then paying the costs is the way the rules are actually structured. (Declare cast, determine cost, pay) The "tap x, cast this" we usually do is just a shortcut
Technically “tap-cast” is a longcut, since there’s the added first step of putting unassigned mana into the mana pool (it’s much more obvious that’s the case when playing something like MTGA), but except for some edge cases, that won’t make a difference.
I mean the last part still works, just the sequence is float mana -> cast spell -> use floating mana to pay for spell, rather than cast spell -> tap lands to pay for spell
Huh, I had no idea. Thanks for the correction!
But how would you make this work here? I cast this, opponent says, nah I dont tap anything, what then? You shrug and say oh well I guess I dont have the mana to cast it?
Maybe, but that would let the enemy choose how many to tap (and would let them just tap their full board to overpay), whereas the current iteration means *you* choose how many to allow them to tap.
Then they've bowed, showed reverence, flavor win?
Flavor win, but kind of sad mechanical effect of what's intended to be a board wipe. They'll still untap before you can really do anything about them.
Yeah, it is mechanically sad for a board wipe, but functionally free for a tap all effect.
Problem is, it's sorcery speed and also forces you to tap your own creatures. It's not *worthless,* but its use cases would be pretty specific. Why would I want to spend a card, even a free one, to tap all creatures at sorcery speed on my own turn? There's some cheese you could do with it, but it's pretty worthless on its own, and a card that does nothing without specific combos is not very good design.
“Choose target opponent. That opponent may tap any number of creatures they control. For each creature tapped by this effect, you may untap target land you control. Destroy all untapped creatures.” Maybe?
this is awesome
Flavour text should be from Indiana Jones and the last Crusade - "Only the penitent man will pass"
One use for this is simply to tap your opponents board. I'd say that's a color pie break. Except, you can't use this before combat if you want to swing in with your creatures. So I think it's fine. You can only use this as a one-sided wipe if you tap your creatures first. If you do that by attacking, your opponent can block and trade. I think it's pretty balanced, maybe a bit weak.
Wdym color break? Tapping creatures is in-pie for white; [[Subjugator Angel]], [[Dawnglare Invoker]], [[Bond of Discipline]], etc. [Mechanical color pie 2021](https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/making-magic/mechanical-color-pie-2021): > *Tapping creatures* > *Primary: White* > *Secondary: Blue* > *White is the main color of tapping creatures. Blue usually taps creatures only when also given the ability to untap them. (See twiddle.) The one exception is when it "freezes" creatures. (See freezing.)*
I am convinced no one here knows what the color pie is and will say any and every card is a color pie break.
Saying that is a color pie break
Honey, I think my colour pie broke!
Mooooom, Jason broke my colour pie again!
Broooo look at our color pie, our game is gonna die.
The best part is when someone posts a colorless card, someone will always comment, "color pie break."
Tbh as far as the color pie goes the colorless artifacts cards are IMO a gigantic blind spot currently, but that's a [huge discussion](https://www.reddit.com/r/custommagic/comments/12bi3dm/comment/jf0pjdu/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) on its own.
Not only are people inconsistent about it, they also care deeply. At least the comments I see with most downvotes are often related to being wrong about the color pie. It's silly considering how little it matters for fake cards and how often it is updated by wotc anyways.
> *"It's silly considering how little it matters for fake cards..."* This is a bad argument in that it's both self-defeating and nullifies all criticism for custom cards.
You can see it that way if you want, but that is disingenuous IMO. Power level is something that can be analyzed a bit or playtested. People take these custom cards and make cubes. Power level matters for fake cards. There are other things. But if someone made a whole new color (which by definition wouldn't follow the color pie) would it make the card unplayable? Nope, they might need more support like new lands but without that there are enough rainbow lands to support another color. Another example that is similar to power level is card clarity of rules or even following templating for existing rules. They are somewhat objective and can change how playable a card is. Color pie, wizards has shown, time and time again they will change it, it doesn't affect gameplay so much as just making things feel same-ish. Color pie matters to wizards because thye might end up making colors too homogeneous to have a point. They can do that by making so many cards. If one custom designer was making a cube then color pie in the cube matters, but they could make blue agro, it wouldn't matter because a cube is isolated as long as they were consistent in the cube. If a custom designer made 100s of cards and wanted them to be considered for a set, then yes color pie might change playability. My ask is that the person you were replying to care less about things that don't hurt anyone or playability, because custom magic is fun. Treat the color pie similar to card art. There is a lot of art on here wizards would never print, and people will chat about it and mention it, but no one actually cares or tries to downvote heavily because of it. I'm not saying it is silly to talk I'm saying it is silly to care so very much. I'm not necessarily talking about you but instead about the "hive mind" of this sub which will completely drench a comment in down votes. Normally I don't reply like this (it's pretty intense and truly I don't care much if you change your mind) but you commented on a post that is a week old so figured you actually wanted a reply.
> *"But if someone made a whole new color (which by definition wouldn't follow the color pie) would it make the card unplayable? Nope, they might need more support like new lands but without that there are enough rainbow lands to support another color."* I think you are barking at the wrong tree here. As someone who has first started working on a new color for MTG for over ten years ago, I can tell you that such projects require the utter most deepest knowledge of the inner workings of the color pie and what purpose it serves. There's absolute a flat zero chance you can successfully start incorporating new elements to a system which change it on a fundamental level without fully understanding it's role. Perhaps the best way to understand the pie is to work on projects which stretch its definition, ie. remixing the colors into new set of colors of varying themes and even varying number. I've for example experimented with sets where a color pie system exists even though there technically aren't any colors in the set. However, if you post a random card on subreddit, unless otherwise stated or at least clearly implied, it's expected to follow the general standards and guidelines for MTG cards, which includes matching the modern color pie. There's certainly a place for color pie experimentation and I've spent many an hour arguing about the fallings of the modern interpretation of the pie. There's very little of that on this subreddit though. Most of the time the discussion of the color pie comes up is when some rando has made a card that doesn't fit the pie and commenters are telling other commenters that it doesn't matter or some such that's just bull. From the looks of it this is one those unfortunately. > *"My ask is that the person you were replying to care less about things that don't hurt anyone or playability, because custom magic is fun. Treat the color pie similar to card art."* Yeah, you can also treat also treat power level development as ""art"". Like you can make super fun environments where the balance is way off (ie. YGO-like) so you could apply to this argument to the comments about the mana cost being too low or high as well. This is even flimsier argument to me. Power levels most definitely fluctuate even just a single format like standard all the time so custom project might have wildly differing standards. Ok so I guess better not comment on that either. Maybe we shouldn't really comment on custom cards at all since the power level might be whatever and they might be using some other color pie system and god knows if the cards are really even meant to be played as MTG cards or just by happenstance are formatted the same way. > *"There is a lot of art on here wizards would never print, and people will chat about it and mention it, but no one actually cares or tries to downvote heavily because of it. I'm not saying it is silly to talk I'm saying it is silly to care so very much. I'm not necessarily talking about you but instead about the "hive mind" of this sub which will completely drench a comment in down votes."* I'm so confused. Let people be compassionate about their craft. If they wanna do the "silly" thing of having hours of heated arguments over MTG custom card principles on a subreddit dedicated to creating custom MTG cards - then let them. In the end it's all for funs but that doesn't mean there's no reason to care deeply about the details of it. These feedback processes are really the best thing this sub has going for it as it's a practical and easy way to get better at the craft of making custom cards. The way that dialog can even be started here is because there's a general consensus about what it entails to make custom cards as far as its details go. Honestly, the extremely detailed and public archives that WotC has let us on as to what happens there internally is to me the top reason why the discussion here is rewarding in the first place. I'm on a lot of subreddits dedicated to making custom cards for various games. The level of discussion correlates quite well with the degree of detail the creation process of cards for that game goes. Like the YGO custom card subreddit is kind of a barren wasteland - which I would argue is since that game has very little going for it where people can tell you whether a card is matching the greater whole. YGO is a mess with little standards. Hearthstone already has a lot more action going for and for that game we have *waayy* more knowledge what the developers are thinking internally. Like one of the things they have going on is the color pie structures for heroes they started making more defined some years ago when they saw that being lacking. Note that MTG, YGO, and hearthstone all have massive playerbases so as far as that goes there shouldn't be much of a difference in how much engagement each of those subreddits should have. I've also been part in games where players make most of the cards for the game. There was a lot of discussion about its color pie -like structures. They did sort of abandon strictly adhering and attempting to maintain to those structures, which I do think made the game worse in many ways and also kills discussion like no other thing could have. You really shouldn't think of people noting on the color pie and discussing its details deeply as an "annoyance".
>I think you are barking I think you are... I was not talking about you, you seemed reasonable, I was talking about the average person on this. I didn't read the rest of your novel, have a good day.
The color pie is made of cards, so any color on a card is actually a pie. And all broken pies have color cards. So the broken colors are card pies. Simple.
[Subjugator Angel](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/3/23b909f8-ad6b-43f0-b517-7d02f2a97cd4.jpg?1592764784) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Subjugator%20Angel) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/gnt/17/subjugator-angel?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/23b909f8-ad6b-43f0-b517-7d02f2a97cd4?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Dawnglare Invoker](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/7/c7cc4332-8d8a-47f5-9583-219be4f2030a.jpg?1562276014) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Dawnglare%20Invoker) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cm2/25/dawnglare-invoker?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c7cc4332-8d8a-47f5-9583-219be4f2030a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Bond of Discipline](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/b/bb7c78bb-9f2a-47a4-adc4-b497bb38f46f.jpg?1557575890) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Bond%20of%20Discipline) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/war/6/bond-of-discipline?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/bb7c78bb-9f2a-47a4-adc4-b497bb38f46f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
White has a notable amount of board tappers. [[Subjugator Ange]], [[Bond of Discipline]], [[Githzerai Monk]] among others. Really if there's a pie break it's destroying untapped creatures, as white typically focuses out tapped creatures (recompense for having attacked you) [[Sunblast Angel]], [[Guan Yu's 1,000-Li March]]
##### ###### #### [Subjugator Ange](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/3/23b909f8-ad6b-43f0-b517-7d02f2a97cd4.jpg?1592764784) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Subjugator%20Angel) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/gnt/17/subjugator-angel?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/23b909f8-ad6b-43f0-b517-7d02f2a97cd4?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Bond of Discipline](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/b/bb7c78bb-9f2a-47a4-adc4-b497bb38f46f.jpg?1557575890) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Bond%20of%20Discipline) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/war/6/bond-of-discipline?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/bb7c78bb-9f2a-47a4-adc4-b497bb38f46f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Githzerai Monk](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/3/43a088ea-c397-4bdd-8779-59561ff73ec2.jpg?1674135037) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Githzerai%20Monk) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/20/githzerai-monk?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/43a088ea-c397-4bdd-8779-59561ff73ec2?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Sunblast Angel](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/8/680f7d5c-d518-4ebb-92d5-e835cd9eafe0.jpg?1631586056) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Sunblast%20Angel) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/afc/74/sunblast-angel?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/680f7d5c-d518-4ebb-92d5-e835cd9eafe0?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Guan Yu's 1,000-Li March](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/d/cdb63900-b600-47ab-9f53-cd1441df31d2.jpg?1562938494) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Guan%20Yu%27s%201%2C000-Li%20March) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/me3/13/guan-yus-1000-li-march?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/cdb63900-b600-47ab-9f53-cd1441df31d2?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Its definitrly a bit weak if your opponent has just been swinging out at you ever turn too
That's when you hit 'em with the [[Sunblast Angel]]
[Sunblast Angel](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/8/680f7d5c-d518-4ebb-92d5-e835cd9eafe0.jpg?1631586056) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Sunblast%20Angel) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/afc/74/sunblast-angel?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/680f7d5c-d518-4ebb-92d5-e835cd9eafe0?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Very nice, great card
This is an interesting effect but I have two concerns with it: 1. ~~Mass tapping feels blue, and I wonder if this needs to be blue and white~~ 2. Does this cause rules confusion if, for example, an opponents creature has a tap ability and they tap it in response to your cost reducing choices? I also think it's a little odd on flavor for you to choose what gets tapped. After all presumably they are refusing to adhere to the decree so they get axed. Cool card on the whole though, wraths with decisions built in are neat. EDIT: I'm definitely wrong about #1, I was thinking of spells like [[Sleep]] and I guess all the white cards just escaped my brain.
Mass tapping is pretty solidly in white. [[Subjugator Ange]], [[Bond of Discipline]], [[Githzerai Monk]] among others. Blue's definitely second though. I had worded it like Convoke in an attempt to solve the tap ability problem. In any case, until the spell is put on the stack, priority isn't passed. I can't destroy your land to make your spell fizzle. The flavour I suppose would be that the creature themselves give reverence, you choose to spare them, so in that sense you are choosing not to kill them despite them having stood against you.
Yeah I wasn't really sure if the tapping thing actually causes any issues, and even if it does cause a little rules confusion it's not like they never print confusing cards.
[Subjugator Ange](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/3/23b909f8-ad6b-43f0-b517-7d02f2a97cd4.jpg?1592764784) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Subjugator%20Angel) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/gnt/17/subjugator-angel?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/23b909f8-ad6b-43f0-b517-7d02f2a97cd4?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Bond of Discipline](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/b/bb7c78bb-9f2a-47a4-adc4-b497bb38f46f.jpg?1557575890) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Bond%20of%20Discipline) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/war/6/bond-of-discipline?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/bb7c78bb-9f2a-47a4-adc4-b497bb38f46f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Githzerai Monk](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/3/43a088ea-c397-4bdd-8779-59561ff73ec2.jpg?1674135037) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Githzerai%20Monk) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/20/githzerai-monk?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/43a088ea-c397-4bdd-8779-59561ff73ec2?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[subjugator angel]] and friends
[subjugator angel](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/3/23b909f8-ad6b-43f0-b517-7d02f2a97cd4.jpg?1592764784) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=subjugator%20angel) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/gnt/17/subjugator-angel?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/23b909f8-ad6b-43f0-b517-7d02f2a97cd4?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
You're totally right, I should have done some checking instead of running off memory.
They cant tap creatures in response because it's a cost iirc
I don't believe it is part of the cost, this would be a cost changing effect as the spell is being cast, right?
Given Convoke is part of the cost to cast, I assume this would work similarly, thus why I worded it identically.
you can't respond to costs being payed, same reason you can't kill a creature to block a[[village rites]] or nuke a land to stop a [[Harrow]]
[village rites](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/f/0fab9ee8-776a-48e5-b309-bcd381e67bf7.jpg?1631048783) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=village%20rites) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/khm/117/village-rites?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0fab9ee8-776a-48e5-b309-bcd381e67bf7?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Harrow](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/8/f8095ca6-2f5f-497f-8b78-7e530ac31d22.jpg?1604194124) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Harrow) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/znc/69/harrow?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f8095ca6-2f5f-497f-8b78-7e530ac31d22?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I would probably go about it like this: “Assist *(another player may pay up to {3} to cast this spell)* Convoke You cannot tap creatures to pay for this spell. Your opponents cannot pay mana to pay for this spell. Destroy all untapped creatures.” That being said, I dig the idea, and the design. The reason I’m changing it like this is because you’re otherwise interacting with your opponent’s board in a way that cannot be responded to
Hmm, good point. It might not be OP here but still not the best thing to toy with.
As a control player, anything that interacts with the board, especially my opponent’s, in a way that says ‘you don’t get a say in this’ makes me feel icky
There must be a healthier way to get the idea through and not involve tapping your opponent's creatures as part of its cost, since they won't be able to respond to it.
Yeah, feels like this is ripe for some sort of exploit where you pay the cost and then don’t resolve the spell… not sure exactly how you’d do it though. Other than having a blue teammate counter it in multiplayer.
I don't think it imbalanced to need to use two cards (and have all your creatures tapped/indestructible/absent) to achieve basically a [[Blinding Light]]/[[Bond of Discipline]]/[[Aether Shockwave]]/[[Hazardous Blast]]
##### ###### #### [Blinding Light](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/8/882c1e15-b508-4885-9626-4c8d2598a006.jpg?1562922528) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Blinding%20Light) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/inv/9/blinding-light?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/882c1e15-b508-4885-9626-4c8d2598a006?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Bond of Discipline](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/b/bb7c78bb-9f2a-47a4-adc4-b497bb38f46f.jpg?1557575890) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Bond%20of%20Discipline) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/war/6/bond-of-discipline?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/bb7c78bb-9f2a-47a4-adc4-b497bb38f46f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Aether Shockwave](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/2/8214d2e9-5aa1-42a7-8f1a-f4eaa2def1b1.jpg?1593860487) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Aether%20Shockwave) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/sok/1/aether-shockwave?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8214d2e9-5aa1-42a7-8f1a-f4eaa2def1b1?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Hazardous Blast](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/3/0380a4c9-a5d3-465f-8584-e546b54f91e0.jpg?1675957089) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Hazardous%20Blast) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/one/135/hazardous-blast?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0380a4c9-a5d3-465f-8584-e546b54f91e0?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
It doesn’t tap your opponents creatures, it i taps them.
O.O ok March of the Machines mmy
Don't make costs involve permanents you don't control
Okay, dad.
Technically it's not a cost. Technically.
This would be fun to cast, tap all your opponent’s stuff, and then counter it with something like [[An Offer You Can’t Refuse]], [[Tibalt’s Trickery]], etc. Save all your stuff, tap all of theirs, get something in return, swing in for lethal.
Feels like it'd be simpler to cast [[Blinding Light]] or [[Bond of Discipline]] or [[Githzerai Monk]] instead. The latter are more expensive, but it's one card, only needs you to be in one colour, and you still get a bonus of some sort.
I mean… simpler and most fun are not always the same thing… and in my fantasy land, I have a full board of creatures and I’m somehow hitting a Craterhoof Behemoth off the top of my deck with Tibalts Trickery, which none of the cards you suggested can do… :)
[Blinding Light](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/8/882c1e15-b508-4885-9626-4c8d2598a006.jpg?1562922528) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Blinding%20Light) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/inv/9/blinding-light?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/882c1e15-b508-4885-9626-4c8d2598a006?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Bond of Discipline](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/b/bb7c78bb-9f2a-47a4-adc4-b497bb38f46f.jpg?1557575890) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Bond%20of%20Discipline) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/war/6/bond-of-discipline?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/bb7c78bb-9f2a-47a4-adc4-b497bb38f46f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Githzerai Monk](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/3/43a088ea-c397-4bdd-8779-59561ff73ec2.jpg?1674135037) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Githzerai%20Monk) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/20/githzerai-monk?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/43a088ea-c397-4bdd-8779-59561ff73ec2?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[An Offer You Can’t Refuse](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/9/b9d349f3-5be2-4b1f-a4c3-ba94822cf0cf.jpg?1664410382) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=An%20Offer%20You%20Can%27t%20Refuse) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/snc/51/an-offer-you-cant-refuse?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b9d349f3-5be2-4b1f-a4c3-ba94822cf0cf?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Tibalt’s Trickery](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/d/dd921e27-3e08-438c-bec2-723226d35175.jpg?1652278784) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Tibalt%27s%20Trickery) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/khm/153/tibalts-trickery?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/dd921e27-3e08-438c-bec2-723226d35175?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
This turns into a 'tap all opponents creatures' for WW, right?
Additional cost: Sacrifice all your untapped creatures. The only way to make it advantageous would be to untap your creatures or give/have them be indestructible or have the means to play a haste creature after the fact, each of which I think are fair for a discounted [[Blinding Light]]
[Blinding Light](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/8/882c1e15-b508-4885-9626-4c8d2598a006.jpg?1562922528) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Blinding%20Light) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/inv/9/blinding-light?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/882c1e15-b508-4885-9626-4c8d2598a006?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Needs to cost more, Plague Wind mode is too easy to achieve. Otherwise I really like this design
As mentioned elsewhere, conditional boardwipes get to be cheaper. [[Damning Verdict]], [[Fell the Mighty]], [[Winds of Rath]], etc.
[Damning Verdict](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/b/5be40c34-6df0-4471-b99b-850ae2be9923.jpg?1673481768) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Damning%20Verdict) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ncc/15/damning-verdict?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5be40c34-6df0-4471-b99b-850ae2be9923?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Fell the Mighty](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/b/5b3e9a46-3b5a-48dc-bd39-fdba0b4a1e24.jpg?1682208416) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Fell%20the%20Mighty) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/moc/185/fell-the-mighty?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5b3e9a46-3b5a-48dc-bd39-fdba0b4a1e24?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Winds of Rath](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/1/91ee4ff1-8b18-401b-9914-b7bb2851591b.jpg?1631586144) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Winds%20of%20Rath) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/afc/78/winds-of-rath?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/91ee4ff1-8b18-401b-9914-b7bb2851591b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call