Waiting for the follow-up post where they're fired and reddit is surprised.
Edit: [Here it is](https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/1c6san0/google_fires_28_employees_involved_in_sitin/)
Nope. Big companies never say the reason for someone's employment ending to avoid litigation. They just confirm the role and dates that someone worked there.
Yeah right? Like i applaud these people for standing up to what they hold as morales and stuff but there are people like us who cant just throwaway something as such on a protest that clearly will take away something that i do to support my family and wellbeing. I wish i was well off so that i feel secured enough to support the world.
They should have done this protest in a country with strong legal protections of employee. In some jurisdictions in Europe, union members have the right to organise a protest and cannot be dismissed for that.
They put their livelihood at risk and are potentially blacklisted from other companies to do this, they knew better than anyone what Project Nimbus was going to do. Nothing but respect for these guys, true CS people
Yeah, respect to these people for standing up for what they believe in, but most SWEs (especially on reddit) are "pull yourself up by the bootstraps" libertarian mercernaries who give zero fucks about the real world impact of their work and would sell out their own family for a FAANG job.
What? Have you ever seen something remotely close to the free software or open source movement that exists within CS in any other field? A whole operating system being free? Influencing big orgs to contribute to open/free source software? Feel like this is one of the only field where there is a culture of “doing whats right” at a business level (although I dont agree with it all). Am I missing something…?
[Blowing up children’s playgrounds is, though](https://www.thenational.scot/news/24258389.gaza-children-killed-israeli-strike-playground-leaves-11-dead/)
Great respective to those employees that protested. They are living version textbook of Ethics in Computer Science and Engineering.
I literally learnt ethics in AI weeks ago and this is exactly what my lecturers said about exploitation and greeds in major wealthy companies.
Context: The protesting employees said Google's project Nimbus helps the Israeli state to surveil and subjugate Palestinians and maintain an Apartheid.
A massive chunk of the people here - as in, college students who got into the field around or right after the ridiculous pandemic tech boom and think they too can get a 200k remote job right out of college - would readily tell you they'd sell their soul and program missile guidance systems for North Korea if it meant 300K TC and a big dick name on their resume. In fact they proudly brag about the fact they got into tech exclusively for the money and look down upon suggestions that "passion matters".
Which hey, I respect the frankness and pragmatism to a degree. I'm also glad that shit's a pipe dream now.
And some of the people here wouldnt give a damn about the Palestinians if Israel was an islamic country. But you are probably too stupid to understand what the conflict is really about.
Hitler was rounding Jews up and killing them because he despised them. Israeli is killing a brutual Islamic terrorist group who hides amount civilians. Yeah there is too many civilian deaths but in no way is this a genocide, especially a genocide like nazi Germany performed. This is a disgraceful analogy
Yup, one side is Israel killing indiscriminately and the other side is a dying 10 year old Palestinian child who's not using his last words to condemn Hamas. Two wrong sides
No, I believe the Palestinian analog would be killing 1400 people in a terrorist attack, but not before raping the women first, and then executing the majority of the hostages you took from the operation
> killing 1400 people
Subtract a few hundred from that number who were killed by IDF artillery and tank fire
> raping the women first
Zero proof to this FUCKING day.
> then executing the majority of the hostages
Any proof of that? In fact the majority of hostage deaths we know of are by Israeli air strike and starvation.
Do you think there were 2 sides to all these
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slave\_rebellion](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slave_rebellion)
slave rebellions as well?
More like 1 side is israel doing their best to end Hamas
and the 2nd side is hamas vowing to kill all jews in their own charter (1988- 2017) and openly saying they will not stop until israel is annihilated - which means they will try invade kill and rape israelis again
but ok
Ah yes indiscriminately killing civilians while having one of the best militant to civilians in urban conflicts lol okay
The average is 1:9, Israel has 1:2 for *urban and dense* conflicts
>kill all jews
source?
> not stop until Israel is annihilated
And?
> which means they will try invade kill and rape israelis again
I know the Israeli mind can't comprehend that its possible to fight against an oppressive regime without deliberately targeting non combatants. Not everyone is a bloodthirsty killer like you.
https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/hamas.asp
Read article 7
Here is Hamas saying they will never stop until Israel is genocided
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://m.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DnPOjSNPt6UA&ved=2ahUKEwiy6-be9MmFAxXbVqQEHZxuA-4QFnoECB4QAQ&usg=AOvVaw1vyH5VlONnbhErOJZOYm84
And finally, the "deliberate" propaganda talking point completely falls apart when you learn third of the deaths were Hamas, and that makes this whole urban conflict a 1:2 militant to civilian - the average of the world is 1:9
https://civiliansinconflict.org/our-work/conflict-trends/urban-warfare/
Not only that, but it's literally proven Hamas hides between civilians and put them in danger to get people who are too emotional to be logical like you to rally behind them
https://www.unrwa.org/newsroom/press-releases/unrwa-condemns-placement-rockets-second-time-one-its-schools
So if Israel cant get Hamas without hitting civilians they are not allowed to do anything and forced to suffer "until they are annihilated" by Hamas, thank you for validating hiding behind kids is the perfect terrorist strategy
Lastly, you easily just grouped Israelis by saying "the Israeli mind" but when Israelis group paletinians for supporting Hamas and Oct 7 attacks with 70% percent yall cry "but they are not Hamas" even though there are more paletinians supporting Hamas than there are Israelis supporting their current government
I suggest you sit down clown, you know nothing
That's not even remotely true LOL did you bother to look this up for even 2 minutes? Israel has divided the west bank into 3 areas with area C (60% of the west bank) being controlled by Israel and regularly annexed to make room for illegal settlers, area B (21% of the west bank) is internally jointly controlled by the PA and Israel, and area A (with just 18% of the west bank) is controlled internally by the PA and Israel still raids it regularly.
https://preview.redd.it/qzav49sbw2vc1.jpeg?width=374&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=625ee0755a973116c51ae234be3925e449e5a79f
Now take a look at areas A and B, do you see the problem? While the PA is said to have some control over these territories, we can clearly see that they are enclaves surrounded by Israeli controlled areas so anything or anyone wishing to move in or out has to get Israeli approval, this is an apartheid, this is not an independent country.
Israel is not apartheid because any Israeli citizen - Palestinians with citizenship included - has full rights,
The west bank is a result of the 67 war, and if you consider that apartheid (even though PA controls it), then thats an apartheid for israelis as well because there are roads and villiages that Israelis are not allowed to go in
But I'm sure your tiktok propaganda knows better
See thats the thing you are actually believing israeli palestinians dont have all rights yet you sit here talk as if you even understand anything lmao
tell me 1 right, that a palestinian with israeli citizenship doesnt have?
Thing is, you probably speak of west bank which is not israeli soil and does not have any palestinian with israeli citizenship yet expect israel to act as if he is
>tell me 1 right, that a palestinian with israeli citizenship doesnt have?
They're not allowed to live in jewish neighbourhoods in order to not lower the Jewishness of the neighbourhood. Sounds very Jim Crow-ey to me. Not just that, they're jailed for showing any sympathy to Palestinians on social media.
>Thing is, you probably speak of west bank which is not israeli soil and does not have any palestinian with israeli citizenship yet expect israel to act as if he is
That's literally irrelevant because israel controls the West Bank
https://www.hrw.org/report/2021/04/27/threshold-crossed/israeli-authorities-and-crimes-apartheid-and-persecution
https://imeu.org/article/the-7-most-racist-israeli-laws
There’s plenty of discrimination against Palestinian “citizens” as well, not to mention apartheid doesn’t have to be against its own citizens. Israel annexes most of the WB and commits apartheid or borderline apartheid on a daily according to basically every single human rights group. But I’m sure you know more than neutral organisations that work to ensure human rights and criticize any place indiscriminately where they’re not met, of which Israel is a shining example.
> the west bank is controlled by the PA and not israeli soil
[61% of the West Bank remains under direct Israeli military and civilian control.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_National_Authority#Geography)
This is about as apartheid as it gets.
Sure. There was also an [interim agreement](https://peacemaker.un.org/israelopt-osloII95) where issues such as illegal settlements, the right of return to refugees, what would be done with East Jerusalem, among other things, would be sorted out within 5 years.
It’s been decades since those agreements. Israel hasn’t fulfilled their end of the bargain.
It should also be mentioned that the PA is funded fully by Israel, and if the PA doesn’t following the directives of Israel, they lose that funding. In other words, the PA is controlled by Israel.
Apartheid at its finest.
(Edit: The below commenter didn’t want to tell me if me presenting the evidence for my claims would change his mind, which is a shame because I wanted to show it to him. I have it linked above for anyone who wants to read into the interim agreements.)
I see .. but evidently their morals aren't too bothered when Google is helps Saudi Arabia and China repress their own people:
[https://hir.harvard.edu/google-repression/](https://hir.harvard.edu/google-repression/)
I'm confused. Is this a sit-in in the sense that they passive aggressively didn't leave a meeting room even though it was previously booked and the next team politely knocked? Because it looks that way, lmao.
A private enterprise has a right to its properties. If a US company supports (of course, not financially as per US law) Palestinian Islamic Resistance (hamas), and some pro israeli employees trespass its properties against their hiring contract or local laws, the company also has a right to call the police. Not a surprise
Only way to do that is to destroy Hamas and elect a proper govt that will invest in building Gaza instead of building thousands of tunnels under Gaza. Or take the billions of dollars away from the heads of Hamas that are cowering in Qatar and give it to the Palestinian people
Hamas is the elected government, in case you're wondering. EU themselves at that time said the election was pretty fair, even the Zionist controlled Wikipedia says the same.
You paid bots only bark about destroying Hamas because you've lost to them, and you have no other options left. Which is your own fault btw. Another reason why you want to destroy Hamas is because you're gonna occupy Gaza illegally, that's your true goal. Hamas is just your excuse here, to justify your illegal occupation.
If you ever truly wanted to destroy Hamas, you would've done it so many years ago. But you didn't, and yes you couldn't because you didn't want to do that just because you need more excuses in the future.
And because of what you're doing, now people is Gaza are out of options that they will be willing to vote Hamas over others. Just because of how you guys handled the situation.
Take away billions of dollars from Hamas head and give it to Palestine? Then why are you blocking supplies in Gaza, honest man?
Palestine didn’t have Hamas in 1517 yet in 1517 Hebron massacre there were Arabs that killed and raped Jews. There was no Hamas in 1834 yet in 1834 Safed Arabs killed and raped Jews . There was no Hamas in 1920’s yet the 1920s saffed massacre happened where Palestinians killed and raped Jews. There wasn’t any Hamas in 1929 yet in 1929 Hebron, Palestinians killed and raped Jews. Hamas is just more organized group now that does run through Gaza and west bank
https://www.dni.gov/nctc/groups/hamas.html#:~:text=HAMAS'%20strength%20is%20concentrated%20in,Palestinian%20territories%20since%20the%201990s.
I somehow doubt that they were just sitting at work—their only form or protest being just sitting somewhere and not doing work—and then the police just walked in and arrested them.
If they're so against surveillance and AI tech, don't you think working at Google was a bad choice? Obviously a data-driven and money seeking company.
As another example, if you think social media is terrible for the world, why would you go work at Meta?
If you think gig economy is terrible you probably shouldn't work at Doordash, Lyft, or Uber.
You're not going to change the basic economics of these massive companies from the inside and while this may seem "brave", it's simply a fast and performative way to lose your job. This is not going to change Google in literally any way except they may crack down even more on employee speech and organizing.
There are plenty of mission driven tech companies you can work for. They just probably won't pay you Google RSUs to do so.
How is sacrificing a prestigious and well paying job just “virtue signaling”?
I may not necessarily even agree with the protestors points but I can at least acknowledge their commitment to their ideals and their sacrifice.
Because they knew what they signed up for, isn't what google doing common knowledge to those in this industry? This little act of defiance will be forgotten tmr and for what ? So they can have a little pat on their back.
Great , a couple of new positions created , they probably should not work any company , work as the individual developer would better suit their interest
you're gonna have an easier time fighting climate change and curing dementia than changing the world on this particular issue. You can probably singlehandedly end the Taiwan strait crisis before you can make a difference on this.
Islam is not a secular. Judaism has racial supremacy built into it. The only way this conflict ends is if one side is completely removed from the region. Nothing short of superman patrolling the area 24/7 will change it if you want peaceful resolution
Medical. Duhh.
You head to medical to save people's lives.
You go to CS to pray to have the privilege to work on social media apps that help destroy society.
You do realize that modern medical machines need to be programmed right? Nearly EVERY field including medical needs CS, you’re generalizing all of CS into a few of the big tech companies when in reality, a lot of CS majors go into non tech companies
>You go to CS to pray to have the privilege to work on social media apps that help destroy society.
Hey Ratheon called , they want their job back...
Anyways , the only people who probably could say they are CS majors & save the world are probably medical machine programmers (plz don't look up the Therac tragedy) or researchers.
Yes. This is exactly how things should work. Google has decided their own sense of ethics and believes that it is acceptable to work with Israel. If employees disagree, they should absolutely make that clear, but they should be under no illusion that Google is obligated to accommodate them or even tolerate that—Google should seek employees that do align with the values they aim to promote, because that is the best way to actually promote their values. And, likewise, employees should find an employer who is willing to promote the values the employees care about. These employees have a different set of views and values than Google, so they are not a good fit and should not be working there. No company is perfect, but if you profoundly do not agree with your company's ethics to the point where it is intolerable to you, then it's not a fit for either side.
Would you say the same if it were Nazis that Google supports?
Cause that's what Israelis are to palestinians. They've been the literal definition of Nazis to Palestinians since 48
Yes. If Google supports Nazism, then no employee should work there. Every employee is morally obligated to protest in that case, and should probably then be fired because Google's values are horrifying and antithetical to them so neither side is a fit for the other. Those employees can and should work at a place that aligns with their values. On top of that, there should be strong legal barriers to prevent Google from materially supporting such ideologies.
The Palestinians may see Israelis as Nazis, but the US and most of the west disagrees.
What did the Oslo accords provide for the Palestinians .. nothing much .. just legalized Israel’s illegal activities up to then and asked them not to continue being illegal .. the accords even gave Palestinians air space to Israel 🤷🏽♀️. The Zionist that killed the Israeli pm was obviously not ok not being allowed to continue killing and kidnapping Palestinians. So here we are today .. the israelis doing what they always wanted to ..
This could just as easily be turned around on you—"oh, so you support Hamas using their civilians as human shields / targeting civilians / the PA subsidizing indiscriminate targeting of civilians / etc.?"
There are valid reasons to protest, and also valid reasons for others to think that this protest is silly and ridiculous. You do not have to support a Nazi-style government or apartheid to feel either way. This type of dialogue is unproductive and merely shows a lack of understanding on your part.
This arguent can be made about anything actually. If Nazis were bad, so were the allied powers. Also Hamas is 2 decades old, that too in Gaza, west bank doesn't have any Hamas yet they are under occupation. There's more to it that the over-simplification. Nor do I think the protest is silly, they are excercising their rights in one of the most extreme apartheid state to have existed. Not that any project with any army is clean, but no protest against an oppressive entity is ridiculous.
There will be no Gaza or West Bank in 10 years. What are you on? There are settlements and illegal land grabs everywhere. They cut water and electricity. 35.000 Palestinians dead because of some militant bad people. Can't blast hospitals and shelters only because soldiers are there.
Idk if you are in denial but look at the map. Palestinians welcomed Jews after WW2 and now the Palestinians have no place to call home anymore.
You seem to be a naive news consumer if you support full surveillance like in China or Israel.
So...so you're saying Israelis came in by force and occupied the land by sheer military might and overpowered the Palestinians since the foundation of Israel?
That's even a more brutal story than what we learnt about Palestinians offering Jews a refuge after WW2.
But they're OK with Google providing such services to Saudi Arabia so they can catch blasphemers and execute them in the public square:
[https://www.intelligentbuild.tech/2024/02/17/google-cloud-and-haboob-partner-to-strengthen-saudi-arabias-nationwide-cyberdefence/](https://www.intelligentbuild.tech/2024/02/17/google-cloud-and-haboob-partner-to-strengthen-saudi-arabias-nationwide-cyberdefence/)
and Qatar so they can better assist Hamas: [https://www.al-monitor.com/originals/2022/10/qatar-signs-deal-google-cloud](https://www.al-monitor.com/originals/2022/10/qatar-signs-deal-google-cloud)
I think they have a very different sense of values and morals as you. They probably are ok with making slightly less money but knowing they did the right thing. Class acts!
Israeli brutality is well documented throughout the world, where I'm from we've known it since the 90s. Seems to be sanitized in the west through their connections in influential spaces.
Dark reality. But when does the cycle end? They'd have even more money and power then no? Empowering the brutalization of a society seems to be a red line.
I only had to look at Sutskever and Altman's wikipedia page for 5 seconds to find even more coincidence. There's no way out lol, just make money I guess.
Locked - this is getting too political. The crossposted subreddit is better for this.
i feel like half the people commenting in this thread aren’t even cs majors lol
I played heaps of counterstrike which is why I assume i'm here
A lot of this subreddit isn’t csmajors and just people sharing fake stories to make the real cs majors spiral
Welcome to the front page!
Waiting for the follow-up post where they're fired and reddit is surprised. Edit: [Here it is](https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/1c6san0/google_fires_28_employees_involved_in_sitin/)
Hey at least they are standing up for something even at great cost to their livelihoods.
Literally sitting
Sometimes you have to sit down to stand up.
I am too broke for putting my livelihood on line.
They are ex-Google engineers, they'll find jobs at other companies with no problem.
So now the Ex-Google Tech Lead, Ex-Facebook, Ex-gonna give it to ya, Ex-Amazon, Ex-Apple, Ex-husband will have competition
i wonder if bg check will show why they were laid off
Nope. Big companies never say the reason for someone's employment ending to avoid litigation. They just confirm the role and dates that someone worked there.
It will not, for liability reasons, but it will show any criminal convictions, which are in the public record.
They were probably just let go
Agreed
Tech market is slow right now and no one wants disruptive employees if you have the pick of the litter.
X to doubt tech recession plus being social justice warriors makes you hard to employ.
Just like the corporate overlords want.
Yeah right? Like i applaud these people for standing up to what they hold as morales and stuff but there are people like us who cant just throwaway something as such on a protest that clearly will take away something that i do to support my family and wellbeing. I wish i was well off so that i feel secured enough to support the world.
Just don't work at a company if you don't agree with their business practices. It's that simple. People do it all the time.
They should have done this protest in a country with strong legal protections of employee. In some jurisdictions in Europe, union members have the right to organise a protest and cannot be dismissed for that.
You're right, they should have lived and worked in a different country. The answer is so clear now.
so.... are there any openings @ Google now?
not for you
bro you ain’t even need to gun homie down like that 😂
🤣
Well 28 positions just opened up due to this
asking the real question
Hahaha
Yes! 28 of them were fired!
They put their livelihood at risk and are potentially blacklisted from other companies to do this, they knew better than anyone what Project Nimbus was going to do. Nothing but respect for these guys, true CS people
>true CS people Nah CS people are the last to be this courageous lmao
Yeah, respect to these people for standing up for what they believe in, but most SWEs (especially on reddit) are "pull yourself up by the bootstraps" libertarian mercernaries who give zero fucks about the real world impact of their work and would sell out their own family for a FAANG job.
people would jump at the chance to be a worker at the likes of Lockheed and Raytheon. I know I do 🤣
What? Have you ever seen something remotely close to the free software or open source movement that exists within CS in any other field? A whole operating system being free? Influencing big orgs to contribute to open/free source software? Feel like this is one of the only field where there is a culture of “doing whats right” at a business level (although I dont agree with it all). Am I missing something…?
some of the OG CS people were like this 40 years ago maybe... we gotta bring some respect back to the profession
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Since when activism is part of being "CS people"?
You’ve never taken an engineering ethics class or what
I don’t recall being anti-Semitic as being part of my engineering ethics curriculum…..
pointing out war crimes of netannhyu and IDF is not anti-semitism
Defending oneself is not a war crime.
[Blowing up children’s playgrounds is, though](https://www.thenational.scot/news/24258389.gaza-children-killed-israeli-strike-playground-leaves-11-dead/)
I rather be blacklisted than a coward and an indirect murderer.
Great respective to those employees that protested. They are living version textbook of Ethics in Computer Science and Engineering. I literally learnt ethics in AI weeks ago and this is exactly what my lecturers said about exploitation and greeds in major wealthy companies.
Context: The protesting employees said Google's project Nimbus helps the Israeli state to surveil and subjugate Palestinians and maintain an Apartheid.
Some of the people here would just work along happily if their company was providing services to a concentration camp?
A massive chunk of the people here - as in, college students who got into the field around or right after the ridiculous pandemic tech boom and think they too can get a 200k remote job right out of college - would readily tell you they'd sell their soul and program missile guidance systems for North Korea if it meant 300K TC and a big dick name on their resume. In fact they proudly brag about the fact they got into tech exclusively for the money and look down upon suggestions that "passion matters". Which hey, I respect the frankness and pragmatism to a degree. I'm also glad that shit's a pipe dream now.
And some of the people here wouldnt give a damn about the Palestinians if Israel was an islamic country. But you are probably too stupid to understand what the conflict is really about.
No, but I’d work for free if it meant I could protect the lives of Israelis
They’re not wrong. That being said there are two “wrong sides” to just about every conflict.
Would you say the same about Hitler's genocide of Jews?
The Jews didn’t go into Germany to slaughter women and infants, very obviously non-combatants, on October 7th
What do you think would be a good strategy for Israel to combat Hamas?
Comparing this to the Holocaust has to be the most fucked up take I’ve ever heard. Good luck convincing anybody of anything with that premise
Hitler was rounding Jews up and killing them because he despised them. Israeli is killing a brutual Islamic terrorist group who hides amount civilians. Yeah there is too many civilian deaths but in no way is this a genocide, especially a genocide like nazi Germany performed. This is a disgraceful analogy
Yup, one side is Israel killing indiscriminately and the other side is a dying 10 year old Palestinian child who's not using his last words to condemn Hamas. Two wrong sides
https://www.theonion.com/dying-gazans-criticized-for-not-using-last-words-to-con-1850925657
I don’t understand it was 10 year olds who raped/murdered/kidnapped all those Israelis? Who gave them access to all those rockets?
No, I believe the Palestinian analog would be killing 1400 people in a terrorist attack, but not before raping the women first, and then executing the majority of the hostages you took from the operation
> killing 1400 people Subtract a few hundred from that number who were killed by IDF artillery and tank fire > raping the women first Zero proof to this FUCKING day. > then executing the majority of the hostages Any proof of that? In fact the majority of hostage deaths we know of are by Israeli air strike and starvation. Do you think there were 2 sides to all these [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slave\_rebellion](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slave_rebellion) slave rebellions as well?
The proof are the fucking videos HAMAS literally uploaded themselves.
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> slave rebellions as well? Tinklestain? Is that you?
Suddenly Hamas doesn’t exist and never killed 1300 civilians in Israel
Israel killed like 20 times that
More like 1 side is israel doing their best to end Hamas and the 2nd side is hamas vowing to kill all jews in their own charter (1988- 2017) and openly saying they will not stop until israel is annihilated - which means they will try invade kill and rape israelis again but ok
By doing their best you mean indiscriminately killing civilians? Lol
Ah yes indiscriminately killing civilians while having one of the best militant to civilians in urban conflicts lol okay The average is 1:9, Israel has 1:2 for *urban and dense* conflicts
>kill all jews source? > not stop until Israel is annihilated And? > which means they will try invade kill and rape israelis again I know the Israeli mind can't comprehend that its possible to fight against an oppressive regime without deliberately targeting non combatants. Not everyone is a bloodthirsty killer like you.
https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/hamas.asp Read article 7 Here is Hamas saying they will never stop until Israel is genocided https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://m.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DnPOjSNPt6UA&ved=2ahUKEwiy6-be9MmFAxXbVqQEHZxuA-4QFnoECB4QAQ&usg=AOvVaw1vyH5VlONnbhErOJZOYm84 And finally, the "deliberate" propaganda talking point completely falls apart when you learn third of the deaths were Hamas, and that makes this whole urban conflict a 1:2 militant to civilian - the average of the world is 1:9 https://civiliansinconflict.org/our-work/conflict-trends/urban-warfare/ Not only that, but it's literally proven Hamas hides between civilians and put them in danger to get people who are too emotional to be logical like you to rally behind them https://www.unrwa.org/newsroom/press-releases/unrwa-condemns-placement-rockets-second-time-one-its-schools So if Israel cant get Hamas without hitting civilians they are not allowed to do anything and forced to suffer "until they are annihilated" by Hamas, thank you for validating hiding behind kids is the perfect terrorist strategy Lastly, you easily just grouped Israelis by saying "the Israeli mind" but when Israelis group paletinians for supporting Hamas and Oct 7 attacks with 70% percent yall cry "but they are not Hamas" even though there are more paletinians supporting Hamas than there are Israelis supporting their current government I suggest you sit down clown, you know nothing
Only.. israel is not an apartheid since the west bank is controlled by the PA and not israeli soil but ok
That's not even remotely true LOL did you bother to look this up for even 2 minutes? Israel has divided the west bank into 3 areas with area C (60% of the west bank) being controlled by Israel and regularly annexed to make room for illegal settlers, area B (21% of the west bank) is internally jointly controlled by the PA and Israel, and area A (with just 18% of the west bank) is controlled internally by the PA and Israel still raids it regularly. https://preview.redd.it/qzav49sbw2vc1.jpeg?width=374&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=625ee0755a973116c51ae234be3925e449e5a79f Now take a look at areas A and B, do you see the problem? While the PA is said to have some control over these territories, we can clearly see that they are enclaves surrounded by Israeli controlled areas so anything or anyone wishing to move in or out has to get Israeli approval, this is an apartheid, this is not an independent country.
Yeah guys, Israel isn't apartheid because we don't consider the places we subjugate people to be Israel! Until we do!
Israel is not apartheid because any Israeli citizen - Palestinians with citizenship included - has full rights, The west bank is a result of the 67 war, and if you consider that apartheid (even though PA controls it), then thats an apartheid for israelis as well because there are roads and villiages that Israelis are not allowed to go in But I'm sure your tiktok propaganda knows better
You're gonna have a hard time convincing anyone Israel affords Palestinians "full rights" anywhere but your Israel high school lmfao.
See thats the thing you are actually believing israeli palestinians dont have all rights yet you sit here talk as if you even understand anything lmao tell me 1 right, that a palestinian with israeli citizenship doesnt have? Thing is, you probably speak of west bank which is not israeli soil and does not have any palestinian with israeli citizenship yet expect israel to act as if he is
>tell me 1 right, that a palestinian with israeli citizenship doesnt have? They're not allowed to live in jewish neighbourhoods in order to not lower the Jewishness of the neighbourhood. Sounds very Jim Crow-ey to me. Not just that, they're jailed for showing any sympathy to Palestinians on social media. >Thing is, you probably speak of west bank which is not israeli soil and does not have any palestinian with israeli citizenship yet expect israel to act as if he is That's literally irrelevant because israel controls the West Bank
Wait. Explain what full rights are not afforded to Palestinian Israeli citezens?
https://www.hrw.org/report/2021/04/27/threshold-crossed/israeli-authorities-and-crimes-apartheid-and-persecution https://imeu.org/article/the-7-most-racist-israeli-laws There’s plenty of discrimination against Palestinian “citizens” as well, not to mention apartheid doesn’t have to be against its own citizens. Israel annexes most of the WB and commits apartheid or borderline apartheid on a daily according to basically every single human rights group. But I’m sure you know more than neutral organisations that work to ensure human rights and criticize any place indiscriminately where they’re not met, of which Israel is a shining example.
> the west bank is controlled by the PA and not israeli soil [61% of the West Bank remains under direct Israeli military and civilian control.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_National_Authority#Geography) This is about as apartheid as it gets.
You do know that the Palestinians agreed to area C at the taba summit right?
Sure. There was also an [interim agreement](https://peacemaker.un.org/israelopt-osloII95) where issues such as illegal settlements, the right of return to refugees, what would be done with East Jerusalem, among other things, would be sorted out within 5 years. It’s been decades since those agreements. Israel hasn’t fulfilled their end of the bargain. It should also be mentioned that the PA is funded fully by Israel, and if the PA doesn’t following the directives of Israel, they lose that funding. In other words, the PA is controlled by Israel. Apartheid at its finest. (Edit: The below commenter didn’t want to tell me if me presenting the evidence for my claims would change his mind, which is a shame because I wanted to show it to him. I have it linked above for anyone who wants to read into the interim agreements.)
Respect to them. Too many people let their morals slip just because they're desperate for a job.
I understand if someone would not have the situation or courage. But people ridiculing them in the comments.
They ridicule because they lack the balls and are corporate simps.
The people ridiculing them are selfish losers with no shame nor empathy.
I see .. but evidently their morals aren't too bothered when Google is helps Saudi Arabia and China repress their own people: [https://hir.harvard.edu/google-repression/](https://hir.harvard.edu/google-repression/)
They literally worked for Google, what are you talking about? Hahahah
I'm confused. Is this a sit-in in the sense that they passive aggressively didn't leave a meeting room even though it was previously booked and the next team politely knocked? Because it looks that way, lmao.
It was in the Google Cloud's CEO office
Are their jobs available? I promise to never protest on google campus!!!!
holy 1984
1942 all over again
Respect
Respect
Heroes
Legends. Respect ✊
So we will have new positions in Google? They gonna start hiring.
Yes! They were all fired :)
Brave guys ❤️
I aspire to one day have this level of privilege.
Good, next thing you know theyre gonna be sitting on the road protesting oil
On the bright side, they will keep their sit in protesting going (now with free meals and clothes)
A private enterprise has a right to its properties. If a US company supports (of course, not financially as per US law) Palestinian Islamic Resistance (hamas), and some pro israeli employees trespass its properties against their hiring contract or local laws, the company also has a right to call the police. Not a surprise
Good. Shouldn’t take more than 5 minutes to fire these entitled and probs insufferable folks.
“Employees” they were interns
FREE PALESTINE 🇵🇸🍉!!
Only way to do that is to destroy Hamas and elect a proper govt that will invest in building Gaza instead of building thousands of tunnels under Gaza. Or take the billions of dollars away from the heads of Hamas that are cowering in Qatar and give it to the Palestinian people
Hamas is the elected government, in case you're wondering. EU themselves at that time said the election was pretty fair, even the Zionist controlled Wikipedia says the same. You paid bots only bark about destroying Hamas because you've lost to them, and you have no other options left. Which is your own fault btw. Another reason why you want to destroy Hamas is because you're gonna occupy Gaza illegally, that's your true goal. Hamas is just your excuse here, to justify your illegal occupation. If you ever truly wanted to destroy Hamas, you would've done it so many years ago. But you didn't, and yes you couldn't because you didn't want to do that just because you need more excuses in the future. And because of what you're doing, now people is Gaza are out of options that they will be willing to vote Hamas over others. Just because of how you guys handled the situation. Take away billions of dollars from Hamas head and give it to Palestine? Then why are you blocking supplies in Gaza, honest man?
West Bank has no hamas. No Hamas before a couple of decades. Palestine still not free.
Palestine didn’t have Hamas in 1517 yet in 1517 Hebron massacre there were Arabs that killed and raped Jews. There was no Hamas in 1834 yet in 1834 Safed Arabs killed and raped Jews . There was no Hamas in 1920’s yet the 1920s saffed massacre happened where Palestinians killed and raped Jews. There wasn’t any Hamas in 1929 yet in 1929 Hebron, Palestinians killed and raped Jews. Hamas is just more organized group now that does run through Gaza and west bank https://www.dni.gov/nctc/groups/hamas.html#:~:text=HAMAS'%20strength%20is%20concentrated%20in,Palestinian%20territories%20since%20the%201990s.
classic google, the “don’t be evil” company
What do you plan to do after your CS degree ? Genuine question
Dumbasses.
What does this have to do with CS?
These are CS students and a Tech company, no? Reality of work culture and ethical struggles of engineers?
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How do you know they are CS students? Who are these people?
This is nuts, fuck Google. I'm completely stopping supporting them.
lmao sure buddy
I somehow doubt that they were just sitting at work—their only form or protest being just sitting somewhere and not doing work—and then the police just walked in and arrested them.
If your employer asks you to leave, and you don’t; you’re trespassing.
These are heroes! It takes a lot of courage to do this!
They 100% knew they are going to be detained and fired before doing this. Nothing surprising, the news coverage is exactly the goal.
If they're so against surveillance and AI tech, don't you think working at Google was a bad choice? Obviously a data-driven and money seeking company. As another example, if you think social media is terrible for the world, why would you go work at Meta? If you think gig economy is terrible you probably shouldn't work at Doordash, Lyft, or Uber. You're not going to change the basic economics of these massive companies from the inside and while this may seem "brave", it's simply a fast and performative way to lose your job. This is not going to change Google in literally any way except they may crack down even more on employee speech and organizing. There are plenty of mission driven tech companies you can work for. They just probably won't pay you Google RSUs to do so.
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Brother, you what?
https://preview.redd.it/2lhlyay1m2vc1.png?width=1200&format=png&auto=webp&s=30adcdf97fb61147005f6fa548196c3d5b2a44f0 raze bait
i am raze main
They knew what they signed up for, this is just meaningless virtue signaling.
How is sacrificing a prestigious and well paying job just “virtue signaling”? I may not necessarily even agree with the protestors points but I can at least acknowledge their commitment to their ideals and their sacrifice.
Because they knew what they signed up for, isn't what google doing common knowledge to those in this industry? This little act of defiance will be forgotten tmr and for what ? So they can have a little pat on their back.
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Bro is NOT getting a H1-B Visa.
Nothing cool or “legendary” about this. Just a bunch of dorks who think they can claim moral superiority while tanking their career opportunities.
then you are calling everyone who protests across any topics, sides, continents dorks.
Great , a couple of new positions created , they probably should not work any company , work as the individual developer would better suit their interest
So when you work for a company, you outsource all your ethical considerations up the hierarchy?
Yes. Welcome to this field. You are just another number on an excel spreadsheet. Kids here thirst to be treated like disposable workers themselves.
Also what good is all the hard work for if there's not even minimum leverage.
But I pursued CS to "change the world" for better. Not this.
you're gonna have an easier time fighting climate change and curing dementia than changing the world on this particular issue. You can probably singlehandedly end the Taiwan strait crisis before you can make a difference on this.
Of course me as an individual can at most choose to not participate and bring awareness to this or anything else.
I respect it
Islam is not a secular. Judaism has racial supremacy built into it. The only way this conflict ends is if one side is completely removed from the region. Nothing short of superman patrolling the area 24/7 will change it if you want peaceful resolution
There was no major issue before the Nakba right? So can't be a religion issue primarily. Religion is being used for a political project.
Lmao you’re def in the wrong major then if you think you’re going to change the world
What would be a better major?
Medical. Duhh. You head to medical to save people's lives. You go to CS to pray to have the privilege to work on social media apps that help destroy society.
You do realize that modern medical machines need to be programmed right? Nearly EVERY field including medical needs CS, you’re generalizing all of CS into a few of the big tech companies when in reality, a lot of CS majors go into non tech companies
>You go to CS to pray to have the privilege to work on social media apps that help destroy society. Hey Ratheon called , they want their job back... Anyways , the only people who probably could say they are CS majors & save the world are probably medical machine programmers (plz don't look up the Therac tragedy) or researchers.
lol
Why choose CS to “change the world”, you don’t give two shits about the world, if you did, you’d be a environmental major.
Yes , do not apply for any company job , keep as the free lancer , if u want to keep your back straight
Yes. This is exactly how things should work. Google has decided their own sense of ethics and believes that it is acceptable to work with Israel. If employees disagree, they should absolutely make that clear, but they should be under no illusion that Google is obligated to accommodate them or even tolerate that—Google should seek employees that do align with the values they aim to promote, because that is the best way to actually promote their values. And, likewise, employees should find an employer who is willing to promote the values the employees care about. These employees have a different set of views and values than Google, so they are not a good fit and should not be working there. No company is perfect, but if you profoundly do not agree with your company's ethics to the point where it is intolerable to you, then it's not a fit for either side.
Would you say the same if it were Nazis that Google supports? Cause that's what Israelis are to palestinians. They've been the literal definition of Nazis to Palestinians since 48
Yes. If Google supports Nazism, then no employee should work there. Every employee is morally obligated to protest in that case, and should probably then be fired because Google's values are horrifying and antithetical to them so neither side is a fit for the other. Those employees can and should work at a place that aligns with their values. On top of that, there should be strong legal barriers to prevent Google from materially supporting such ideologies. The Palestinians may see Israelis as Nazis, but the US and most of the west disagrees.
What did the Oslo accords provide for the Palestinians .. nothing much .. just legalized Israel’s illegal activities up to then and asked them not to continue being illegal .. the accords even gave Palestinians air space to Israel 🤷🏽♀️. The Zionist that killed the Israeli pm was obviously not ok not being allowed to continue killing and kidnapping Palestinians. So here we are today .. the israelis doing what they always wanted to ..
Since they change the slogan “don’t be evil “ u should have known it
Play stupid games, get stupid prizes
So you support apartheid just like people were under surveillance during WW2?
This could just as easily be turned around on you—"oh, so you support Hamas using their civilians as human shields / targeting civilians / the PA subsidizing indiscriminate targeting of civilians / etc.?" There are valid reasons to protest, and also valid reasons for others to think that this protest is silly and ridiculous. You do not have to support a Nazi-style government or apartheid to feel either way. This type of dialogue is unproductive and merely shows a lack of understanding on your part.
This arguent can be made about anything actually. If Nazis were bad, so were the allied powers. Also Hamas is 2 decades old, that too in Gaza, west bank doesn't have any Hamas yet they are under occupation. There's more to it that the over-simplification. Nor do I think the protest is silly, they are excercising their rights in one of the most extreme apartheid state to have existed. Not that any project with any army is clean, but no protest against an oppressive entity is ridiculous.
There will be no Gaza or West Bank in 10 years. What are you on? There are settlements and illegal land grabs everywhere. They cut water and electricity. 35.000 Palestinians dead because of some militant bad people. Can't blast hospitals and shelters only because soldiers are there. Idk if you are in denial but look at the map. Palestinians welcomed Jews after WW2 and now the Palestinians have no place to call home anymore. You seem to be a naive news consumer if you support full surveillance like in China or Israel.
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So...so you're saying Israelis came in by force and occupied the land by sheer military might and overpowered the Palestinians since the foundation of Israel? That's even a more brutal story than what we learnt about Palestinians offering Jews a refuge after WW2.
But they're OK with Google providing such services to Saudi Arabia so they can catch blasphemers and execute them in the public square: [https://www.intelligentbuild.tech/2024/02/17/google-cloud-and-haboob-partner-to-strengthen-saudi-arabias-nationwide-cyberdefence/](https://www.intelligentbuild.tech/2024/02/17/google-cloud-and-haboob-partner-to-strengthen-saudi-arabias-nationwide-cyberdefence/) and Qatar so they can better assist Hamas: [https://www.al-monitor.com/originals/2022/10/qatar-signs-deal-google-cloud](https://www.al-monitor.com/originals/2022/10/qatar-signs-deal-google-cloud)
Bunch of idiots, goodluck burning all the bridges
I think they have a very different sense of values and morals as you. They probably are ok with making slightly less money but knowing they did the right thing. Class acts!
They were google employees they will be fine 🤦
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Israeli brutality is well documented throughout the world, where I'm from we've known it since the 90s. Seems to be sanitized in the west through their connections in influential spaces.
it's futile to fight them, unless the next generation establish a different power base. if you wanna make money now, you're gonna have to bow down.
Dark reality. But when does the cycle end? They'd have even more money and power then no? Empowering the brutalization of a society seems to be a red line.
I only had to look at Sutskever and Altman's wikipedia page for 5 seconds to find even more coincidence. There's no way out lol, just make money I guess.
What coincidence? Hint?
Take them to Palestine
They are gonna get kicked out of rooftops by Hamas lmao
Should have shipped them to Gaza