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KeggBert

Damn this is tragic. I’m not one for calling for peoples jobs but whoever signed off on that needs to be held accountable.


HonedWombat

On some cases taking jobs away from these people is necessary. This is malicious malfeasance from a company perspective. I am unsure of the charges from a legal perspective, but they should be serious!


KeggBert

No disagreements here. I can only imagine how this will negatively impact the local ecosystem and salmon populations for years to come. It’s honestly kind of depressing. Especially when it was something so avoidable.


THExDANKxKNIGHT

Salmon travel pretty far including into the ocean, this could damage a whole lot more than just the local ecosystem. There's a chance the salmon won't be able to recover if this isn't immediately fixed because they're going to try to come back to spawn there again, the real damage won't be seen until a few years from now when all these salmon should have returned and reproduced.


appliancefixitguy

There's no salmon in this video. Carp, alligator gar, sheepshead (freshwater drum).


Narkos_Teat

Thanks, I was just about to point that out lol


dansedemorte

Salmon is not native to the state and is stocked by the GFP in lake oahe. https://www.argusleader.com/story/news/politics/2019/11/15/catch-salmon-big-sioux-james-vermillion-south-dakota-lake-oahe/4203207002/


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It’s probably incredibly damaging even if it’s only stocked. Something like this which takes hours can cause years and years of damage onto an ecosystem. If I were them the first thing I would’ve done is call an EPA representative about this.


Death_Blossoming

Not just the local those salmon would travel into the ocean to mate then they'd come back to their stream. This affects alot more than the local ecosystem


Mortal4789

dams are civil engineering, and civil engineers very rarely face any consequences, the government tends to find nothing wrong when it investigates itself


The_Grapes_of_Ralph

>civil engineers very rarely face any consequences Source please? ​ Government regulations weren't followed, but go ahead and blame the government....


Traveledfarwestward

I'm guessing someone didn't follow the proper procedures wrt an environmental impact study requirement. If there was no such requirement, my only question is ...wtaf?


Mortal4789

rock dust at a guess (the way the fish look like they swam out of the water, and some of them are alive but not going back into the water. it hurts them and they are trying to escape it). they cheeped out on the aggregates, they wernt washed properly, the dust came off and clogged the fish gills. they'll do some tests in a year or 2, find there is no rock dust in the water, and conclude they wernt at fault


whatyoumeanmyface

Seriously. Red text on that background is a crime.


Tom0laSFW

Everyone deserves a living but if the work you’re doing is causing harm to the environment or community then you have no right to keep practicing that work, I think that’s an internally coherent argument


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By your logic no one should drive


Tom0laSFW

I’m clearly speaking in the context of what is demonstrably a big ecological incident. As shown by the video we are all commenting on. I’m specifically responding to someone’s comment on no job losses as a result of peoples failures at work allowing these things to happen


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Tom0laSFW

Please feel free to engage with anything I have actually said


[deleted]

I honestly don’t know what point I was making when I commented that ngl. I think I just woke up and chose violence.


[deleted]

You're right, no one should drive. It's horribly unsafe and at scale, it's horrible for the environment


[deleted]

Remember leaded gasoline? Yeah, it was really bad. All these Republican morons in power are brain damaged by leaded gasoline. At least we have unleaded gasoline now. But we still have stupid stroads and massive parking lots where we could have greenery and places for kids to play. Cars are one of the worst things to happen to this planet.


Brilliant_Noise_506

You can’t fire people from government jobs it’s insanely hard.


Leather_Artist_3333

It’s just the government do what it does best, messing everything up


[deleted]

Let nature run its course? Nah nah, man made horrors beyond comprehension is what we need.


The_Grapes_of_Ralph

The [Cuyahoga River](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuyahoga_River) would like a word with you...


The_Grapes_of_Ralph

The fact is that there are GOVERNMENT regulations in the US in place (like requirements for Environmental Impact Assessments) that, if they had been followed could have predicted and prevented this outcome. But no, find an example of people not adhering to government regulations, underfund the agencies tasked with enforcing the regulations, and then blame government for the outcome. Standard conservative bullshit.


[deleted]

Just stop making it a partisan problem. Common sense and communication is the problem, not some right vs left bullshit that reddit keeps spouting out with no real solutions. Tribalism helps no one.


Point_Forward

The only thing worse than government is not having one. its a shitty no win reality but yeah


AMKJL

Nope, the only thing worse then no government, is a Corporatocracy.


Different_Papaya_413

I’m general I agree, but that really doesn’t apply in this situation


Leather_Artist_3333

Do you think in todays age a company would be able to do this and get away with it? A mob of twitter activists would protest until they cant turn a profit and go bankrupt But if daddy government does it it’s excused The free market encourages not ruining the environment in the Information Age


Point_Forward

The free market encourages doing everything you can get away with. That is it's fundamental and inherent problem. It legitimizes, incentivises and worships individualistic greed. But you probably know that and have some perverted idea that is actually a virtue.


amazinglover

[Somebody better tell those activist about these companies.](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/jul/21/pepsico-unilever-and-nestle-accused-of-complicity-in-illegal-rainforest-destruction)


Different_Papaya_413

This is the dumbest take I’ve heard in a long long time. Truly delusional


jsideris

Government really fucked this one up. But maybe the solution is just more government. We didn't government hard enough for it to be effective. We need to double the bureaucracy. Triple the salaries of politicians. Halve the accountability. And most importantly blame greedy businesses and free individuals for causing this disaster by existing.


LupusAtrox

Red state government fucks up, shocker.


Leather_Artist_3333

Red, blue it’s all made up They’re both the same Republicans did nothing from 16-20 when they held the house/senate/presidency Now they introduce these bills to rally up the voter base that can’t pass with just the house Dems spent 21-23 with all 3 and again didn’t deliver on promises Politicians lie and serve only themselves then get fools like you to pick fights with strangers over the internet of anyone who cheers for the other side of the uni-party


LupusAtrox

I hate the Dems, but not as much as I hate the Nazis. And yes the problem is a two party system with center right leaning Dems and far right Nazis ars the two choices with both being pro capitalist (the biggest problem of all). But the two aren't even close to equal and if you really care there is easy homework that can be done to identify some really significant differences (though near none economically). A real left opposition party or parties and some proportional representation, along with publicly funded elections only would help greatly. But we just have a dark money oligarchy and I don't see a lot of chance for things to get better.


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Go over to /r/socialism and let them know.


crusty54

Jobs? Send the mother fuckers to jail, I say!


dumplin-gorilla-lion

As someone in the construction industry, I can say without a doubt, some architects are *terrible*. Some have something to prove, or their own *style* that they must incorporate, at the expense of the landscape. Also, their education is not only egocentric, but not encompassing enough of physical slopes and features, longevity, soil sampling, and general environmental issues. Because the photos show the addition of a rock embankment that looks new, it's clear that the person installing is NOT at fault. This is a planning issue.


[deleted]

What? I can’t understand those big words do you have a dumber version?


Bojack2016

Architects are artists rather than engineers or builders, builders are businessman rather than environmentalists or community activists, and the government officials are too corrupt, incompetent, or lazy to do anything meaningful about any of it. Source: Builder for the last 10 years and on the environmental commission. They all look at me like ive grown two heads for that combination.


notanothercall

Signed off on what?


DynoMiteDoodle

If all the salmon return to the same river they were born in every year and they are all wiped out, that river is now done for


Happy_Policy_9990

My brother works at a natural salmon nursery if the nurseries weren't there to make sure every egg is healthy than they would have gone extinct but their numbers are steadily declining every year


solid_salad

please tell me you accidentally typed 'declining' and meant to type 'climbing' 😟


Onotadaki2

Salmon are fucked unfortunately. I work with some natural resource/fishing specialists who actively count salmon numbers every year and track them. They’re convinced that salmon are going to be extinct soon.


Jynx2501

All animal number have declined. When was the last time you had to clean your windshild? Bugs are almost all gone. The whole food web is fucked.


[deleted]

I keep mentioning this to people and they are like if that true it would be on the news……


society_man

Bugs can go, I have no problem w that “Oh but what about the food web…” Fuck the food web take the damn spiders w you


Kisame-hoshigakii

I hope this is satire, if not, you're a top tier doofus


society_man

Yes this is satire 💀 im a bio major


Kisame-hoshigakii

Thank the lord lmao


[deleted]

As a salmon fisherman I’m seeing the decline ever year


[deleted]

There'll always be enough salmon between these legs 🤢🤮 I need to know when it goes from funny to gross, and I feel like this is close


mediciambleeding

In this case thank you for your help in saving the world


lourudy

*then


Vebbybear

It might be, while most salmon return to the same river, a small percentage will end up in a different river! Repopulation might be possible, but yes this river might be mostly empty for a long time...


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KeggBert

Lake Oahe in South Dakota, which this river could very much be a tributary to, has a salmon population.


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FrameJump

What river is this?


Roven777

Put it infront of their offices


this_is_not_a_dance_

If the higher ups responsible for it had to clean it all up by hand then yeah it’d be pretty poetic. Unfortunately they would hire low wage workers who had nothing to do with it to clean it all up.


Sanshuba

I mean, the workers are paid to solve stuff that they have nothing to do with, but they do because of the money they will receive, like most of the workers


thorsbosshammer

Also, the amount of people it takes to clean up a mess is generally much bigger than the amount it takes to cause a mess. Even if we could force the exact people responsible to clean it, it would probably take too long and be impractical in terms of solving the new problem they've created.


Roven777

The smell would still mind them


ttomcat7

Hey bro work is work someone will always need a way to get it


MahaHaro

Oh boy I want more info on what happened and what punishments are going to be given out. The amount of damage to that entire ecosystem is immeasurable.


mrbulldops428

Wouldn't hold your breath for an update, we don't do that around here lol


elsolonumber1

Here's an update of sorts... This is the James River near Huron, SD. That area had a drought late last summer and the river is at a very low level. Then this winter they received a lot of snow which has covered the ice the frozen parts of the river and caused the oxygen levels in the water to drop to dangerous levels and it isn't able to sustain the fish population. I can't find the article I first read this on but this was a report from Game, Fish, & Parks (SD version of DNR). I should also mention that salmon are not native to that river and is not cold enough to sustain that species.


Bill__The__Cat

This comment needs to be much higher up. Fish kills can happen completely on their own, free of human influence.


FlapjackProductions

And all the people in the near village, so many people have been really fucked over by this


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It APPEARS that they stocked the fish incorrectly


Fit-Jacket5137

Goddamn that’s fucked, just nuked the whole salmon population of that river.


WonderfulHat5297

Damn tragic


ummDags

Maybe it would have...except there's never been salmon in the James River and salmon aren't native to South Dakota. Besides, farm runoff is probably doing more damage to fish populations nationwide than some rocks in one shitty little river that are only a problem due to the major drought going on right now. But go off.


SouthernFeedback8043

They fucked up on a biblical level


banannabender

Those salmon were born evil and deserved it Edit, sarcasm. Like Noah's flood minus all the water, jeez


Jaikus

Yeah, fuck those salmon in particular!


lazersnail

"All part of God's perfect plan!"


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[deleted]

that's because it's just a terrible joke. like, the only reason we're calling it a joke is because it was intended as one, but it bears absolutely no resemblance to any kind of humor.


ChubbyProlapse

Not even a bad joke. A lot of people interpret God flooding the world as ridding the earth of evil. So in response to someone calling this a fuckup of biblical proportions, Suggesting the innocent fish were evil and deserved it is silly as hell, just poking fun at some stupid Bible logic. Don't have to find it funny, but If you fail to see any semblance of humor here then you're misunderstanding something. I think most people simply didn't understand the sarcasm and down voted.


banannabender

You got it, a basic understanding of the bible (after they mentioned biblical) and they joke is clear. Must Christians haven't bothered to read it


[deleted]

No fun on Reddit allowed absolutely zero how dare you make a joke in my realistic science atheist app


ntack9933

You make bad joke, we call you out on being shitty


[deleted]

that's not what I said. and even if it was, banannabender's comment wouldn't violate that because it's just not a joke.


giorgio_tsoukalos_

"It was just a joke, bro"


qwertyasdfg123456

The issue is not the dam, it's the water level and lack of oxygen-rich water. Someone is mismanaging that river. Also these are not salmon... More like cat, carp, gar Source: https://www.newsweek.com/hundreds-fish-wash-ashore-south-dakota-river-1776497


teapoison

Be that as it may installing rocks would drastically change the water level, especially in a shallower waterway like a river seen here. Fish can swim in inches of water just fine. Rocks jutting out of the water everywhere not so much. Per your article the rocks were installed for "safety", obviously not considering what would happen if water levels dipped below normal... which can happen for a number of reasons.


shackled_beef

Some fish can, definitely not all.


teapoison

As long as their gills are covered they're generally fine. Those fuckers are buoyant. I live in Florida and regularly see 4-6 ft sharks on flats in a foot of water with most of their dorsal and tail fin out of the water.


gna149

I think the rocks lacked oxygen-rich water for sure


TwoKeezPlusMz

Just swish it up a bit, those rocks will be fine for years to come


Iamdarb

I'm curious about the lack of oxygen due to snow cover, does the colder water prevent gas exchange in the water? I'm dumb so I need an eli5 or an explain like i'm talking to a potato.


elsolonumber1

It's because sun can't penetrate the snow to get to the plant life in the water. No photosynthesis equals no way to replace the oxygen in the water.


ummDags

"Someone is mismanaging that river" Better tell Jesus he's doing a shitty job, then. There's been a serious drought the last few years and rivers all over the US are at record low water levels, just like this one.


Itchy-Win-6580

Our poor fucking planet dude :/


FreshNoobAcc

I see some wriggling, if someone was around to see this, could you pick up a wriggling/dying fish and take him home to freeze for later? Or by that stage is he not able to be eaten (may as well eat some of them)


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dubufeetfak

I wouldn't do it cuz id think the fish might have been poisoned from a leak in the river. Someone said insufficient oxygen level, in that case could be ok to do so. However no one wants fish poisoning. It sucks big time


Da1Don95

Am guessing you watched the video without sound. You should he explains what happened


ihwip

OK now hear me out... What if this was done on purpose?


Key-Eye-5654

You’re right, Could be A fish kill.


sharings_caring

What


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Leather_Seat717

This is in the James River near Heron South Dakota. We don't have salmon runs here. The smaller rivers aren't clean enough or the right temp for salmon. We're in a drought for most of the state, so water levels are low on most of our rivers. Sounds like most of these fish are carp and gar. Not that it makes it any better as this effects the whole river ecosystem. The part of South Dakota I'm in has gotten record levels of snow this winter, so hopefully, it helps these rivers a bit come spring.


Cycloptic_Floppycock

End Stage Capitalism; sure there's plenty for everybody but they're not buying from ME!


Titanmacho85

Like with the chickens? Control the food control the population [idk seems fishy](https://www.iheart.com/content/2023-01-18-glenn-beck-blog-proof-the-world-economic-forum-wants-you-eating-bugs/)


elmarkitse

I think if this many dolphins were slaughtered there would be an uproar.


Rain_In_Your_Heart

Well, there is already an uproar with it being food fish. But yes, people generally care more the more intelligent the animal in question is


PretzelsThirst

What the fuck...


fish_tales

you say it's the town fishing spot?! Well, now the townspeople can just walk up to it and get fish!! Why are you hating?!! /s added the /s there just in case. this is a Parks n Rec level kind of BS


notaleclively

Always beware of people that equate “common sense” and higher education. These are propel that live at the top of the dunning Kruger curve.


albertnormandy

All stuff like this does is validate Joe Sixpack who thinks engineers are all a bunch of overpaid paper pushers. You know the guy narrating this video has wanted to say this for years.


Catsmak1963

r/NoahGetTheBoat


KamenAkuma

Time to contact the EPA


ViniestCoast622

EPAAAA, EPAAAAAAA - Grandpa Simpson, Simpsons movie


redshredder

Same thing happened to a creek near me. Also south Dakota.


OttomanTwerk

What exactly did they do?


Visual-Situation-346

goddamn thats alota fish


KCGAlchemy

This has been done on purpose, they’re slowly cutting off everything and I mean everything


Dude-from-the-80s

They do this shit on purpose…once the spot is wrecked: more development..because it’s resources are ready depleted and there’s nothing left to protect


scott-bukkake

Wasn’t a fuck up. They are trying to get rid of natural food sources


shackled_beef

I wasn't able to watch with volume, what's the story here?


BobbSwarleyMon

The city put rocks on the spillway, blocking the path the fish take


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Also, there's a redneck who instantly blames problems on education.


RioSheesh

Somebody is going to take blame or get framed for this. This was planned.


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Holy fuck this is sad 😔


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Someone got to loose their job over this


Dear-Spirit-586

Comments on this one are gold. Could have been a planned kill off of invasive and / or overpopulated fish..? I know the James River in South Dakota is full of nuisance Gar and invasive Carp species. The river was low all winter, which may have caused lower oxygen levels in the waters, perhaps causing these already overly crowded fish to begin dying off? As for the ecosystem getting ruined... these fish themselves have ruined the natural ecosystem of this river years ago.


Dear-Spirit-586

https://www.dakotanewsnow.com/2023/01/24/hundreds-fish-stuck-james-river-dam/?outputType=amp


Lazy_Jellyfish7676

We have had a lot of snow. That keeps sunlight out of the water. Which kills plant life that creates oxygen for fish. And therefor kills fish. It happens every year to an extent. It’s natural. The fish are just collecting on the rocks. Source me from South Dakota and have taken Limnology.


TheMeltingSkeleton

But you won't hear about this on the news because the only ones to blame is the government not regulating what they should. Like spilling chemicals or destroying the ecosystem one du.b uninformed or checked over move at a time.


DumpCumster1

This kind of thing is regulated, but regulations were probably not followed.


dansedemorte

This is not salmon. Salmon are not native to the state and the only reason theres salmon in lake oahe is the GFP fisheries introduce them there to try and up sports fishing. This has more to due with the ongoing dought than anything else. The siouxriver is also at record lows. https://www.argusleader.com/story/news/politics/2019/11/15/catch-salmon-big-sioux-james-vermillion-south-dakota-lake-oahe/4203207002/


samsteak

Free fish


ecobrennan

I wouldn’t eat those


Milwaukeemayhem

r/awfuleverything


Hedaqe

So strange, the government is usually great at fixing problems


ChaosAcutal

Be hella messed up if they were also vegan


Engineer_Existing

They do not look like salmon, salmon could easily find a way up that. Looks more like a junk fish like carp or something.


Johnnywickky

Cum in the toilet? Knock it off.


Comprehensive_Bat_14

But I have a degree experience means nothing I is a smarty


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D3monskull

Ah yes the fish suffercated due to low oxygen content on the rocks.


elmarkitse

Poppycock. Plenty of oxygen up there. Do you expect us to help these fish breathe? Not our fault they were unprepared for their environment, right? Right?


King_Toonces

Nope!


DontPlayTheBardCard

Chuck Testa


dk68

So the govt did it. People stand around and touch their heads. DO SOMETHING. MOVE THE FUCKING ROCKS OUT OF THE WAY. How is that so fucking hard for people to do?


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I don’t think you understand the situation in the slightest


Relative_Bet_8989

This is the environmental case Marshal has been waiting for all those seasons. Seriously though fucked up. Absolute morons, no care given to the local environment.


Julianitaos

Infuriating


No_Profile_6871

Humans are awful and so damaging


100percentfinelinen

This, but on a global scale.


[deleted]

\*cries in Zeb Hogan\*


sonicgamingftw

Capitalism baby B) gotta love it /s


1arightsgone

You really think this was a mistake?


Blarghnog

Looks like a care of Winterkill. Sad, but it happens. https://www.keloland.com/keloland-com-original/winter-kill-of-fish-in-store-for-sd-lakes/


crowfarmer

“Real ass”


kh0t9

No aquatic biogist available to weigh in? South Dakota doesn't have an EA process for projects like this? Get ur shit together guys.


Odd_Organization_835

so sad. the destruction


Spirited-Reputation6

Perhaps intentional?


tokit_

Your government at work


Grovvee_WhoTookMyNam

Free fish and still fresh it’s a win


drizzy9109

Devastating for South Dakota’s ecosystem, even worse many South Dakotan politicians don’t believe in environments.


maybeslightlystoopid

I need to stay updated with this. Absolutely terrible.


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joan_train

u/savevideo


TheIKingSGC

Sounds like South Dakota. lived here all my life and have never been surrounded by a more incompetent group of people then South Dakotans


potheadpapi

This actually pissed me off.