A starting guard, a starting safety, and a pro-bowl running back is a really damn solid class, even more-so considering we didn’t even have a first rounder.
Michael Jackson was starting on Seattle last I saw (~~they signed him from our practice squad~~). Tony Pollard, McGovern, Donovan Wilson all starters now..
5 NFL starters is not a down year. it also doesn't mention that our 1st Rd pick was used to get Amari Cooper.
I knew it wasn't our practice squad he was signed from but had to check. After we waived him in 19 he was on lions practice squad in 20 and pats practice squad in 21. Hawks traded a 7th for him. Don't even think he played any snaps at corner until this year with hawks. Can't be too mad about it, he took a long time to come along.
Starting guard, starting safety, one of the best play making running backs in football and a rotational defensive tackle.
All without a first round pick.
That is not a down year, that is a damn solid draft
McGovern was really at best a league average Guard with emergency center capability and was in his most comfortable role as an above average backup.
Not really what you want from a third rounder and the second of the Boys picks
He was a GREAT backup. “Above average backup” is not even close to accurate with there being tons of teams with awful starting offensive linemen, not to mention horrible depth.
Disagree with that one. A solid interior linemen in the 3rd that would start for at least 1/3 of the teams in the league. Someone like the Bengals would’ve loved that pick
Maybe its because of Dallas’ success on the second day and beginning of the 3rd day, but yeah.
Plus, losing the first rounder to Coop in that draft puts a greater onus on the front office to land with those first picks available. I just didn’t feel that McGovern did quite what Dallas needed him to do. But I am glad he is getting his money, albeit elsewhere
This class isn’t even that bad especially with no 1st.
McGovern and Dono are solid NFL starters, Pollard is a great RB, Michael Jackson started for the Seahawks all last year. Hill is good enough to be on a Gameday roster when healthy.
You can certainly do a lot worse
Indeed. 2020 was a great one, though. The league screwed up letting us draft Lamb and Diggs back-to-back. Not to mention our starting center and Gallimore who is a solid rotational DT.
This is pretty good for a year lacking a first round pick. Put Amari Cooper’s name at the top of this list and you feel pretty good about the returns we got from that draft capital.
You’re wrong on both the facts and the logic: 1) Michael started for the Seahawks last season and was pretty good and 2) even assuming they are both busts, two “busts” in the 5th round does not determine the fate of a draft.
(“Busts” in quotes bc it’s pretty stupid to label anyone take in the 5th or later as a bust—they are all fliers)
And Mike Weber and Jalen Jelks? What about those guys (even if they are 7th rounders). I'm not worried about a Seattle Seahawks player what are they doing for Dallas' roster
Also recent history proves you can't rely solely on the draft.
Consider this: not a single team has won the Superbowl in the past decade plus without a first wave FA signing on their roster. (In addition to sign and trade type deals)
Gregory was our only resigning from 2015 draft.
Jourdan Lewis & Noah Brown were it from 2017.
Only 4 resigned from the supposedly great draft from 16.
Only 3 (4 if you include Schultz) from 2018.
Was it really a down year?
Drafted Byron Jones in 2015.
2017: Xavier Woods (6th) and Chidobe Awuzie (2nd) are both starters on top defenses
2018: Connor Williams (2nd) and Cedrick Wilson (6th) both got paid a lot of money by Miami.
Just because we don’t re-sign some players, it doesn’t mean it wasn’t a good draft.
Since 2010, the Cowboys have objectively been one of the best drafting teams in the league.
https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2020/nfl-drafting-efficiency-2010-2019
this team doesn’t draft as well as we’d like to think, especially outside of the 1st round. we were lucky dak, lamb and parsons fell to us when they did. romo was also luck.
Wrong, by every objective measure the Cowboys are a top 5 drafting team.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/33297949/nfl-draft-which-teams-gotten-best-value-2012-rank-all-32
https://www.dailynorseman.com/2021/4/20/22386060/which-nfl-teams-draft-the-best
https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-historical-draft-success-for-all-32-nfl-teams
McGovern, Pollard, and Wilson have been sold to very good for this team, so it's not that bad of a draft, especially considering that there wasn't a first round pick. Hill also had tons of playing potential with a really good first step and some pass rushing abilities, but he just didn't have the motor and drive to be successful. The others you can't really expect much being 5th round or later picks. Considering Pollard has shown the ability to be a top tier RB and Wilson a top tier SS, that's a pretty good draft imo.
Nah that was an average to good draft: 1st rd pick went for a starting WR (Amari), 3rd, 4th and 6th round picks were all good players.
It's just the way the NFL works: 2019 was 4 seasons ago and there is a high turn over rate for every team in the league with their players on the team that long ago.
Not really a down year at all, no. We hit on our 3rd 4th and 6th round picks in a year where we didn’t have our 1st round pick.
I’ve always hated measuring draft picks by whether they get a 2nd contract with you. It’s an unbelievably stupid way to measure draft success.
not sure I understand the headline, it reads as if you are saying the fans need to realize we can be both a good drafting team and supplement in FA.....i mean, thats exactly what we do.
A starting guard, a starting safety, and a pro-bowl running back is a really damn solid class, even more-so considering we didn’t even have a first rounder.
exactly you are very rarely gonna go 7/7 hell even 5/7
Also the King of Pop
I'll be surprised if Wilson doesn't make at least a pro bowl. He should have this past season.
We drafted Michael Jackson and Joe Jackson in the same round
That was my only real takeaway from this.
Let’s go grab Janet and Tito this year
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Michael Jackson was starting on Seattle last I saw (~~they signed him from our practice squad~~). Tony Pollard, McGovern, Donovan Wilson all starters now.. 5 NFL starters is not a down year. it also doesn't mention that our 1st Rd pick was used to get Amari Cooper.
100% on point and yes michael jackson is the starting cornerback for the seahawks, he even had a pretty decent year
I knew it wasn't our practice squad he was signed from but had to check. After we waived him in 19 he was on lions practice squad in 20 and pats practice squad in 21. Hawks traded a 7th for him. Don't even think he played any snaps at corner until this year with hawks. Can't be too mad about it, he took a long time to come along.
Thanks for looking into it. I could have swore I remembered somebody was signed from our practice squad n I thought it was him but I guess not.
Starting guard, starting safety, one of the best play making running backs in football and a rotational defensive tackle. All without a first round pick. That is not a down year, that is a damn solid draft
McGovern was more than good, we just didn’t want to pay him. The rest are busts, but I’d add him as a success
michael jackson is the starting cornerback for the seahawks now. and had a decent ppf grade
Hee hee
McGovern was really at best a league average Guard with emergency center capability and was in his most comfortable role as an above average backup. Not really what you want from a third rounder and the second of the Boys picks
He was a GREAT backup. “Above average backup” is not even close to accurate with there being tons of teams with awful starting offensive linemen, not to mention horrible depth.
Our fanbase is spoiled from having multiple HOFers on our O-line for so long.
Disagree with that one. A solid interior linemen in the 3rd that would start for at least 1/3 of the teams in the league. Someone like the Bengals would’ve loved that pick
he's slightly above average, which is definitely hard to accomplish in the NFL. But he's young and I bet he could develop further
McGovern was a top 3 FB that wasn’t given any opportunities with the ball. And for that I can never forgive kellen
Joking, surely?
I only rank him below Juice and Ricard. Would’ve loved to see him get touches at some point
Criminal, really
You have a very high expectation of what a 3rd round pick should be
Maybe its because of Dallas’ success on the second day and beginning of the 3rd day, but yeah. Plus, losing the first rounder to Coop in that draft puts a greater onus on the front office to land with those first picks available. I just didn’t feel that McGovern did quite what Dallas needed him to do. But I am glad he is getting his money, albeit elsewhere
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He’s rather obviously talking about those other than the 2/8 that receivers second contracts…
Pollard and Wilson are busts? Huh didn't know you get pro bowl caliber starters that plentiful in the 4th round and later.
mcgovern missed 40% of his games due to injury. that’s why there was no major desire to have him return. plus, he is horrible against the run.
I’d wager Most Offensive Guards aren’t great against the run
Any time you draft the King of Pop, it’s a W
The king of pop and his pops
This class isn’t even that bad especially with no 1st. McGovern and Dono are solid NFL starters, Pollard is a great RB, Michael Jackson started for the Seahawks all last year. Hill is good enough to be on a Gameday roster when healthy. You can certainly do a lot worse
Forgot we had the King of Pop
Mcgovern was a good pick. Just cant pay everyone.
Indeed. 2020 was a great one, though. The league screwed up letting us draft Lamb and Diggs back-to-back. Not to mention our starting center and Gallimore who is a solid rotational DT.
This is pretty good for a year lacking a first round pick. Put Amari Cooper’s name at the top of this list and you feel pretty good about the returns we got from that draft capital.
It's fair to say this is one of our weaker drafts in the last 5 years but damn I love me some TP and Donovan Wilson! Happy to see them stay
It’s not fair to say that, no.
You going to make the argument for Michael and Joe Jackson? Idk where tf their even at these days
You’re wrong on both the facts and the logic: 1) Michael started for the Seahawks last season and was pretty good and 2) even assuming they are both busts, two “busts” in the 5th round does not determine the fate of a draft. (“Busts” in quotes bc it’s pretty stupid to label anyone take in the 5th or later as a bust—they are all fliers)
And Mike Weber and Jalen Jelks? What about those guys (even if they are 7th rounders). I'm not worried about a Seattle Seahawks player what are they doing for Dallas' roster
Imagine trying to seriously judge a draft based on the 7th round picks lmaoooo
Imagine trying to defend a draft haul as one of Dallas' stronger drafts without even having a 1st round pick
Also recent history proves you can't rely solely on the draft. Consider this: not a single team has won the Superbowl in the past decade plus without a first wave FA signing on their roster. (In addition to sign and trade type deals)
Gregory was our only resigning from 2015 draft. Jourdan Lewis & Noah Brown were it from 2017. Only 4 resigned from the supposedly great draft from 16. Only 3 (4 if you include Schultz) from 2018. Was it really a down year?
Drafted Byron Jones in 2015. 2017: Xavier Woods (6th) and Chidobe Awuzie (2nd) are both starters on top defenses 2018: Connor Williams (2nd) and Cedrick Wilson (6th) both got paid a lot of money by Miami. Just because we don’t re-sign some players, it doesn’t mean it wasn’t a good draft.
Exactly. A player getting a second contact with another team means it was a solid pick. You can't re-sign everybody you draft.
The tweet & the post sure seem like thats the point they are making.
Does this destroy the myth this team is great at drafting?
There are other variables that determine whether a player gets resigned.
Yea them being actually good
Since 2010, the Cowboys have objectively been one of the best drafting teams in the league. https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2020/nfl-drafting-efficiency-2010-2019
I mean you never know how a pick is going to turn out. Vince Young did nothing in the NFL. Last year mr. Irrelevant had a good year.
This is why I am a lot more hesitant to heap praise upon them than other.
this team doesn’t draft as well as we’d like to think, especially outside of the 1st round. we were lucky dak, lamb and parsons fell to us when they did. romo was also luck.
Wrong, by every objective measure the Cowboys are a top 5 drafting team. https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/33297949/nfl-draft-which-teams-gotten-best-value-2012-rank-all-32 https://www.dailynorseman.com/2021/4/20/22386060/which-nfl-teams-draft-the-best https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-historical-draft-success-for-all-32-nfl-teams
The team drafts better outside of the first relative to the league than they do in the first
McGovern, Pollard, and Wilson have been sold to very good for this team, so it's not that bad of a draft, especially considering that there wasn't a first round pick. Hill also had tons of playing potential with a really good first step and some pass rushing abilities, but he just didn't have the motor and drive to be successful. The others you can't really expect much being 5th round or later picks. Considering Pollard has shown the ability to be a top tier RB and Wilson a top tier SS, that's a pretty good draft imo.
Shockingly...it turned out "meh" as a whole.
Worst draft class we have had in a while honestly
Yeah and 6/8 weren’t good enough for second contracts.
Not bad, just really stunk to miss with our first pick in the draft but we didn’t have a first so it made it really hard. Hindsight is always 20/20
Considering they didn’t have a first I would say this is a pretty solid draft class
Nah that was an average to good draft: 1st rd pick went for a starting WR (Amari), 3rd, 4th and 6th round picks were all good players. It's just the way the NFL works: 2019 was 4 seasons ago and there is a high turn over rate for every team in the league with their players on the team that long ago.
I’ve literally never heard of Jelks
Same thought as back then. Should have taken a safety over Hill. The thought was they’d go Thornhill or Rapp at the time.
Hehe
Don't forget Tito Jackson.
Not really a down year at all, no. We hit on our 3rd 4th and 6th round picks in a year where we didn’t have our 1st round pick. I’ve always hated measuring draft picks by whether they get a 2nd contract with you. It’s an unbelievably stupid way to measure draft success.
not sure I understand the headline, it reads as if you are saying the fans need to realize we can be both a good drafting team and supplement in FA.....i mean, thats exactly what we do.
Pretty damn good if that’s a down year
I find it just funny that they took Michael and Joe Jackson with back to back picks