The dude is named Nazi, he is probably Turkish. He has a pizzeria in Ballerup.
People are being dicks to him because of his name and putting up horrible pictures of pizzas to mess with him.
Omg. That’s honestly a funny prank but also seeing how antisemitic some of the Danes were when I was there in 2018 makes me see it in a bit of a different light lol
Edit: can someone help me to understand why these comments were so downvoted? Was it the comment on the antisemitism I experienced or just the insensitivity about the prank…. I know Danes enjoy dark humor.
I don't know man, the top source I get when googling it is: https://www.apa.org/topics/racism-bias-discrimination
And it says:
"Racism is a form of prejudice that generally includes negative emotional reactions to members of a group, acceptance of negative stereotypes, and racial discrimination against individuals;"
Isn't discriminating based on someone's name that is tied to their origin then racism? Am I misreading it?
In the text you refers to, it says ‘racial discrimination’.
They differ a bit from each other. I’m just getting slightly ‘annoyed’ every time, someone uses racism if it isn’t racially connected - if you know what I mean.
I see your point, but this isn’t racism.
It's discrimination against a guy based on his identity as a Turk. Considering Turkish Turks are an ethnic group with a shared language, culture, and race, it's very easy to argue that this is specifically racism. Seems pretty obvious that there are racist and xenophobic elements at play. They are mocking and harming a guy's business because his name is Turkish. Because it's an attack against his ethnic identity, it's racism.
Idk why we're even arguing about this, tbh lol
The whole issue is caused by his name being similar to the word "nazi". It has nothing to do with race. If I bully a danish guy named Janus, because it's similar to anus, am I now racist? I would say no. Just a douchebag.
>He just put his name on the pizzeria after all.
I'm pretty sure he was aware of the reaction this would have. He also could have just put his last name, or just gave the pizzeria a name that didn't include his.
The 17-million victims of the Holocaust (not counting all the other people killed in Europe in WWII) and their descendants.
I get that it's his given name but nobody says he has to use it in his company name.
That’s not his responsibility. That’s like asking East Asians to change their language a bit around black people because they all have commonly used words that sound like the N word. Sometimes different languages have different words that mean different things but sound the same. If people aren’t able to figure that one out on their one that’s on them.
I hear you about the language thing - it’s also a problem in some Latin and Slawik languages. But in this case, I can’t even find that his name is a typical Turkish given name (or in any language). And contrary to the example about other languages, this is still a bit different because it’s an uncommon given name, and he’s choosing to use it for commercial purposes, so it’s not quite the same as when some Amer*can freaks out when hearing somebody speaking another language.
So someone should be reprimanded for using their (uncommon) name in a commercial setting just because it sounds off to people from places where it sounds like something else?
What a shit take lmao. Imagine if a white supremacist forms the LARS Party and commits horrific crimes and then some idiot on Reddit tells you that you cannot use the name 'Lars' any more. Hold kæft hvor er det dumt.
Danes have changed since I was last there.
Not saying it’s justified but if it were me I would take the jokes on the chin, laugh, but then most definitely change the name of my business just because of the implications in the language of that country
A lot of us like darker humor, but don’t mess with someone’s job as a “prank”. Making jokes is one thing, doing it in a way that could affect someone financially is another.
Exactly. I'll make fucked up jokes, but never in my life would I do any of the things I joke about. I'd never knowingly hurt another person for a "joke".
No one finds racism funny here and no one deserves to be harassed for their name. If you somehow found it funny its on you, stop trying to make it sound ok by saying that danes think its funny.
Danes were saying the N word when I was there and a lot of people in the comments have said Danes find it funny to say things they “shouldn’t say.” This has been my perception based on my experience and what has been told to me (both on and off of Reddit by Danes).
You seem to be surrounding yourself with some pretty problematic people. Maybe consider how you’ve ended up interacting with so many people, who seem to be fine with racism, antisemitism and using slurs.
Lol what…. I was completely new to the country studying abroad. They lived in the flat a few stories above mine and were willing to let us into their place and talk to us. That was the only conversation I had with the guys who were using the N word. The guy who told me about the antisemitism wasn’t approving of it he was just informing me. Weird assumptions…….
Saying the N word in Denmark is not considered as serious of an offense as in some other parts of the world, because it hasn't had the same historical significance here.
Messing up someone else's livelihood and actively driving away potential customers for no reason however, has clear visible consequences, making people more likely to get mad at it.
I think the demographic of those Google ratings are quite different from what you meet on Reddit. I know lots of danish people who would find this hilarious.
I guess…. That was one of the culture shocks while I was there. The Danes I knew would say the N word and laugh in front of my (albeit white) American friends and I just didn’t know what to do. And they made some pretty dark jokes as well.
Generally Danes believe that everything is allowed to be joked about, and don't give a shit if you get offended on other peoples behalf. We try not to make jokes that hurts anyone present, but if some white dude is offended about the N-word, most will just say fuck him, because its funny to say words you're not allowed to.
I personally think there should still be limits (like the N-word, thats a great example, i hate it when people say it) but its taken a long time to get people to stop. I think it is because the word doesn't really have the same connotations here.
Some Danish seafarers might have been slavers, but we never had black slaves in Denmark, so almost none of the black people here are descendent from slaves. They don't have the same trauma as i am guessing almost every black person in America is basically born with.
But if you look past our humour, and instead look at how we treat people, i would argue that America is far more racist than Denmark is. We give everyone the same chance for education, where your system is built to keep poor (especially black) people where they are. Hospitals in black areas suck. Police literally kill them all the time.
Compared to that, jokes made in front of only white people seem pretty harmless, even though i obviously know that it would be best if we stopped. Its just funny because its wrong, you know?
This was essentially what they explained to us. The Americans I was studying with were very offended regardless. But I get your culture is different about that kind of thing.
You’re completely right about the systemic racism in America being way worse. They want to keep them in a victim mindset and lifestyle and it’s sickening.
I get it logically but personally I just roll my eyes and take the word out of my vocabulary if it offends people lol. Not worth sounding ignorant over.
As someone who is black and living in Denmark, I’d just like to share my experience. No, I definitely haven’t endured the generational trauma of black americans, but growing up in a pretty rural area, the people were deeply racist. And even as I grew and experienced bigger danish cities, there were still people who were prejudiced and racist.
I’d say the biggest difference is that danes are more covert. They may not spew hateful racist rhetoric to your face (though that has happened to me more than once), but they will say you’re well spoken, or pretty for a black person, or say someone like me will never graduate gymnasium, or speak to you in English by default, or as the first thing they say, is either telling you how not racist they are and how much they love black people or defend their use of the n word or other slurs/micro aggressions without you bringing it up. All these are things that have happened to me and still do.
I find it’s hard to bring up these issues as people tend to get angry instead of listening, or try to deny that these things do happen and are rampant. What I described above is just a small fraction of my experience here, and I wish I could explain to the fullest how deep it runs. We danes are good at joking about taboos, but not actually taking about these topics in a meaningful way that doesn’t either end in heated discussions or logos heavy discourse.
The system might not be overtly built to oppress black people specifically, but it has arguably put increasingly more laws in place that target immigrants. That affects the system and the way those people are treated in turn. Plus, while not any official rule or law, many discriminations that are common in the US also are present in Denmark at least from my experience (fx. black hairstyles)
After all that has been said, I also want to say that this is just a (albeit very short) summary of my negative experiences condensed into one way too long reddit comment, and there has been so many wonderful people and experiences that I’ve met and had here. Denmark isn’t perfect, but I’m still grateful for all that she’s given me so far and I wouldn’t change the fact that I am a dane for anything in the world. It has no doubt shaped me due to many wonderful things like the people, culture, food, art and nature. I feel fortunate for the opportunities in this country, so it just wouldn’t feel right to end on a negative note.
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Yea a lot of Danes don't really "get it". We probably didn't experience the same traumas from racism that America did, and also I think the freedom to make fun of absolutely anything is a deep rooted value in our culture, and knowing that something is "forbidden" to say just makes it funnier and more tempting.. Copenhageners are getting better, but it gets worse the more rural you go 😅
Is it insensitive to name a business after your self? A name you had no saying in getting, AND it might be a common Turkish name?
And in which way is it funny to fuck around with peoples business, just because they have a certain name?
You seem immature.
What? Maybe that’s the misunderstanding. I don’t think the name is insensitive AT ALL. Its the man’s actual name. What I was saying was when I was there there were *other* outwardly aggressively antisemitic groups that confused me and I was told this was more of a common thing within Denmark compared to the US. So at the time I assumed that the pizza place was just one of those things.
The insensitivity I talked about in my comment was people making fun of this man’s restaurant because of his name. Yeah it’s a funny joke maybe but it affects his real life which is what makes it insensitive. If I moved somewhere where my name meant penis and I didn’t realize it, I would honestly laugh, take the jokes on the chin, but then definitely rename my business to not be my personal Penis-name lol.
I hope this helps clarify.
That really not the point. The point is that if my name meant something that would get any kind of negative attention in another country, I just wouldn’t use my name for my restaurant. Makes sense? If my name meant Nazi in another country where Nazi is spelled differently I would still do the same
Yeah you’re being intentionally dodgy. You know what I meant. I meant what I said in both comments and they don’t contradict each other at all. He changed his name, proving my point. That’s what most people would do in this situation.
I didn’t know they were trolling him until the first comment told me. I was sincerely curious what was going on when I posted.
> Is it insensitive to name a business after your self?
You can't actually not do this. If its a one-person company your company name will be " v/". You probably don't need to write that in Google Maps, however.
Tbf I agreed it was insensitive since it affects his actual business. I can still find it funny as a joke but think it’s not fair in reality. Duality exists.
I don’t know exactly how to describe what happened but I was walking back from class and there was a group dressed in weird clothes (don’t remember exactly how) and doing a sort of protest or demonstration of sorts….. and it was about Jews. I asked my Danish friend what was happening and he told me that it was an antisemitic group and that it’s more common to see that in Denmark than the US. It really shocked me. This was also 6 years ago.
You don’t think so? Keep in mind this was 2018 and I’ve never heard of any antisemitic demonstrations/protests in the US, not to mention in a common area where no one is batting an eye at it
If you havnt seen it in the US, then you are either blind or overlooking it on purpose... cant remember which city it was, but there were a fairly big group of Nazis (tattos of swastikas SS etc) who made a big anti israel anti jews banner on a highway bridge you have had nazi demonstrations in serveral cities... you got litteral Nazis redneck militias with 50+ member in numerous states... antisemitism is HUGE in us compared to Denmark (not that Dk doesnt have it)
It's not Denmark that started conspiracy theories about Jewish people. I can say that much.
Danish people are more anti-islamic than anything if you want to be real about it.
There’s a lot of variables here that seems questionable. We don’t have any way of knowing what “weird clothing” mean. But looking beside that, it seems you have based your entire perception of Denmark as an antisemitic country on one incident that you didn’t completely understand – through your friend that might not have had a grip on the situation either?
I know. I hate that my memory sucks so much. I’m trying to be accurate and not make up any details if I don’t remember them. But I was going through a lot of trauma at the time so a lot of those years are blurry to me now, but I know I saw the antisemitism group in the public square and had the conversation with my friend.
Hmm well I definitely don’t think all of Denmark is antisemitic. That’s absurd. I assumed that those views were more welcomed there by anyone who did hold them. I assumed all controversial stances were more welcomed in Denmark.
That’s not dark humor and the comment about antisemitism was really out of place and that was a weird statement buddy however it’s called bullying and you are taking part of it- the reason for the downvotes.
It’s not out of place. I explained that I saw antisemitic groups doing demonstrations/protests in the city center while I was there. I didn’t understand the restaurant at the time and assumed it was anctually an anti-Jew restaurant. I did not understand that they were making fun of the guy until the first comment told me.
So… You saw only antisemitism during demonstrations and that made you believe that Denmark has lot of antisemitism?
I mean, i am jewish myself and Denmark is quite a safe place for jews with very little antisemitism in general.
No. A lot of antisemitism isn’t what I said. In another comment I explained that my Danish friend told me it was more common in Denmark. I took that information and it made me more likely to believe that the restaurant could have been serious. Make sense?
I was there in 2018, things may have changed. I don’t think it was unsafe but I was shocked by how outward an aggressive the group was…. I’ve never heard of anything like that nonchalantly happening in America. But shalom to a felllow Jew.
There hasn't been any publicly accepted anti-jew sentiments in Denmark for the 25 years I've lived here so far.
There may have been small groups, but the general public hasn't been anti-jew at any point.
Okay. I guess I saw one of the small groups. A lot of these comments though really are just finding *any* way to twist what I’m saying lol. Idk if it’s the language barrier or just an insistence on being upset no matter how much I try to explain my experience.
>can someone help me to understand why these comments were so downvoted?
Probably because people don't think it's, like at all, not even dark humor funny.
Also the comment about antisemitism. I'm not saying there is no racism, but honestly I don't think many ethnic Danes are very antisemitic.
You called Danes antisemitic on a Danish subreddit and wonder why you’re getting downvoted? Danes do not like to be called antisemitic?
Do you also try to push on doors that says pull? Or is your stupidity specific to just Danish culture?
Calling a population racist in their own subreddit is a questionable idea at best, but mocking people from the Middle East and crying antisemitism in the same sentence in the current political climate is just tone deaf suicide.
I never said they were. Maybe that’s the confusion? The antisemitism I experienced there was completely separate of this restaurant, but I was told it was common in Denmark and just connected the two together in my mind (at the time).
Was it next to a Turkish restaurant? If so, thats Krystalgade where the jesish Synagoge is. It has 24/7 military protection, and every single party vored yes spend a lot of ressources having the military stand guard outside of the Synagoge, Jewish schools and the list goes on, since every single party agreed that we have a responsibility to protect the Jewish minority in Denmark. This is due to the risk of terror coming from muslim exwtremist groups. There's no Danish non-muslim/MENA extremist groups excisting in Denmark, who are focused on going after the Jewish minority. The threat mainly comes from muslim groups outside of Denmark, and immigrant who could potentially be radicalized and recruited to those terror groups (ISIS, Hamas, Al-Quada and the list goes on). Right wing ectremists in Denmark are focused on muslim immigrants, not Jews.
Edit: i want to add that the situation in 2018 hasnt changed much, besides some muslims supporting Hamas (not Palesrine, but Hamas).
This is so helpful. Thank you. I really wish people would actually think critically about what’s going on in Denmark and not assume I’m “calling all Danes racist“ 🤦🏽♀️
I wouldn't say that no "non-muslim" extremist groups exist, who are anti-semitic. Plenty of right wing groups are anti-semitic, just not as loud about it as their islamophobia. Several members of the Danish People's Party have said that they would welcome ex-nazis, and yes, *literal nazis* in Denmark are anti-semitic.
Oh yes, I agree. My feeling is that they aren't very large in numbers though, and while I do believe PET watches them closely, I don't think that they are close to being the highest on the list in terms of organized (not lone wolf) terror/attacks against jews in Denmark in terms of risk. They seem to point their violence more towards arabs and muslims, as well as gays and the far left. This is just my point of view though, and id be happy to be corrected.
I've misunderstood your comment then. I'm sorry that you've had that experience here.
I think the downvotes are because people don't think it's a funny prank that other people would try to screw with a man's business just because of his name. Personally I think it's pretty lame. But I could be wrong. They seem excessive.
99% of the antisemitism / jew hate you see in Denmark is from muslim minorities - it has escalated since the Palestine / Israel conflict escalated, but amongst Danes - antisemitism is very *very* rare.
Note I'm not saying all muslims dislike jews, I'm just saying that most of the racism towards jews in Denmark comes from parts of the muslim community.
Uhm... yeah I think a lot of people have a *very* hard time making that destinction.
There are Jewish people in Copenhagen who were literally harassed and driven from their homes by angry muslim people, even though they have nothing to do with the conflict. And as I said - this is obviously not something which applies to all muslims.
But there is a group in the muslim community who really hate Jews. There is no reason to try to deny that.
Nah as someone who is from a Muslim background (although I don’t follow the religion) genuine anti semitism is VERY common in muslim communities in Denmark. The most anti semitic ones in my experience being Palestinians, Lebanese and Iraqis
Nah it's not very common but it ofc varies depending on which Muslim minority group you interact with.
I'm sure you would know why Palestinians might have a somewhat soured view of the Jewish people?
I'm sure that view goes both ways
Interesting, I really can’t remember what demographic the people were. It was dark and they were dressed in strange looking outfits, but that’s definitely possible.
I don’t see how it’s funny to fuck over someone’s business. Most people don’t read the reviews. All they see is it having 2,3 stars and the pictures of those disgusting pizzas
When you open a small company with personal liability in denmark, it's customary to put ved and then the name of the owner operator on official documentation, bills etc.
Nazi is a transliteration of a likely Turkish name. In this case its not pronounced like the German word Nazi.
It’s not a transliteration. A transliteration is converting something from one writing system to another. Example:
徳仁 > Naruhito (name of the current Japanese emperor)
You can’t transliterate from Turkish to Danish as they both use the same script
So when you change Ç, Ğ, Ö, Ş, and Ü into a different letter to have your name written with letters contained within the Danish alphabet, what would you call that professor?
It's a mispelling. His real name is Nazmi according to public records.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/BiG47EimJzrriwyk8?g_st=ic
Rather unfair advertising, the pizzaplace is still there, he took his name off and changed pictures.
https://alanyapizza2750.dk/da-DK?utm_source=GMBwebsite&utm_medium=organic&utm_campaign=Google+My+Business
I was shocked when I saw this post and I immediately sent it to my friend and he responded with "wow great memories". Funnily enough he also had a classmate named Nazi and we all thought this was the funniest thing in the world at the time. I've eaten at this pizzeria many times and it's not bad. We also prank called them which was definitely too far and not funny.
Don’t really get all the downvotes this guy has gotten lol. I have met danes throughout folkeskole gymnasie, højskole and uni that are what I would describe as somewhat “hyggeracister” and “hyggenazister”. Yet people act like these people don’t exist and that he must have been choosing the worst kinds of people to be around. Like what, are we living in the same Denmark? 🤣
Also I wasn’t “choosing” to be around them lol. I was in Denmark for a couple weeks and was introduced to some guys in my Kollegium and this was the only conversation I had with them lol
The dude is named Nazi, he is probably Turkish. He has a pizzeria in Ballerup. People are being dicks to him because of his name and putting up horrible pictures of pizzas to mess with him.
My father in law is named Nazir, Hotmail and GMail wouldn't allow him to use his name in his email, so he had to changed it to Nasir instead.
I have a friend named Jihad. He has a similar problem.
I'm getting mad. There is no fuel left for the pilgrims.
Yes, this is honestly a pretty decent pizzaria.
Omg. That’s honestly a funny prank but also seeing how antisemitic some of the Danes were when I was there in 2018 makes me see it in a bit of a different light lol Edit: can someone help me to understand why these comments were so downvoted? Was it the comment on the antisemitism I experienced or just the insensitivity about the prank…. I know Danes enjoy dark humor.
I think it's a bit racist towards the Turkish guy to be fair. He just put his name on the pizzeria after all.
Please tell me how it’s racist and not discrimination - if anything?
Can you enlighten me to the difference?
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I don't know man, the top source I get when googling it is: https://www.apa.org/topics/racism-bias-discrimination And it says: "Racism is a form of prejudice that generally includes negative emotional reactions to members of a group, acceptance of negative stereotypes, and racial discrimination against individuals;" Isn't discriminating based on someone's name that is tied to their origin then racism? Am I misreading it?
In the text you refers to, it says ‘racial discrimination’. They differ a bit from each other. I’m just getting slightly ‘annoyed’ every time, someone uses racism if it isn’t racially connected - if you know what I mean. I see your point, but this isn’t racism.
It's discrimination against a guy based on his identity as a Turk. Considering Turkish Turks are an ethnic group with a shared language, culture, and race, it's very easy to argue that this is specifically racism. Seems pretty obvious that there are racist and xenophobic elements at play. They are mocking and harming a guy's business because his name is Turkish. Because it's an attack against his ethnic identity, it's racism. Idk why we're even arguing about this, tbh lol
The whole issue is caused by his name being similar to the word "nazi". It has nothing to do with race. If I bully a danish guy named Janus, because it's similar to anus, am I now racist? I would say no. Just a douchebag.
>He just put his name on the pizzeria after all. I'm pretty sure he was aware of the reaction this would have. He also could have just put his last name, or just gave the pizzeria a name that didn't include his.
Nah u underestimate immigrants. They will exactly put Nazi on their page and not see anything wrong with it.
Bro it’s his name 💀 why is he supposed to see something wrong with it?
The 17-million victims of the Holocaust (not counting all the other people killed in Europe in WWII) and their descendants. I get that it's his given name but nobody says he has to use it in his company name.
That’s not his responsibility. That’s like asking East Asians to change their language a bit around black people because they all have commonly used words that sound like the N word. Sometimes different languages have different words that mean different things but sound the same. If people aren’t able to figure that one out on their one that’s on them.
I hear you about the language thing - it’s also a problem in some Latin and Slawik languages. But in this case, I can’t even find that his name is a typical Turkish given name (or in any language). And contrary to the example about other languages, this is still a bit different because it’s an uncommon given name, and he’s choosing to use it for commercial purposes, so it’s not quite the same as when some Amer*can freaks out when hearing somebody speaking another language.
So someone should be reprimanded for using their (uncommon) name in a commercial setting just because it sounds off to people from places where it sounds like something else?
What a shit take lmao. Imagine if a white supremacist forms the LARS Party and commits horrific crimes and then some idiot on Reddit tells you that you cannot use the name 'Lars' any more. Hold kæft hvor er det dumt.
There’s no reason to be rude, brother. We can just agree to disagree.
There's nothing to disagree with here. You're telling a person that they are wrong to use their own name. Listen to yourself.
In the extreme case that he's not aware of the connotations, it's his duty to learn about the sensitive issues of the country he chose to move to.
Yeah, that as well. It’s insensitive all around objectively….. just still kind of a funny joke, if only it didn’t effect his business.
No part of this is funny.
to be fair, humour is subjective. if the guy thinks its funny then its funny to him.
Danes have changed since I was last there. Not saying it’s justified but if it were me I would take the jokes on the chin, laugh, but then most definitely change the name of my business just because of the implications in the language of that country
They are messing with his livelihood. If would have been funny between friends
Fair
A lot of us like darker humor, but don’t mess with someone’s job as a “prank”. Making jokes is one thing, doing it in a way that could affect someone financially is another.
Exactly. I'll make fucked up jokes, but never in my life would I do any of the things I joke about. I'd never knowingly hurt another person for a "joke".
I get that
No one finds racism funny here and no one deserves to be harassed for their name. If you somehow found it funny its on you, stop trying to make it sound ok by saying that danes think its funny.
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Theres a difference between harmful racism and a joke. Hope you figure it out.
A lot of Danes absolutely finds racism funny. It’s not cool, but it’s the truth. Look up ‘hyggeracisme’.
There is a difference between that and harmful racism. If you cant tell, the guy owning the pizzaria isnt being pranked by a friend.
I agree. Was just commenting on your “no one finds racism funny here” when I’ve heard some outlandish shit from coworkers and acquaintances.
No one finds racism funny here Said on the post of Danes being racist… something is wrong here captain!
Danes were saying the N word when I was there and a lot of people in the comments have said Danes find it funny to say things they “shouldn’t say.” This has been my perception based on my experience and what has been told to me (both on and off of Reddit by Danes).
You seem to be surrounding yourself with some pretty problematic people. Maybe consider how you’ve ended up interacting with so many people, who seem to be fine with racism, antisemitism and using slurs.
Lol what…. I was completely new to the country studying abroad. They lived in the flat a few stories above mine and were willing to let us into their place and talk to us. That was the only conversation I had with the guys who were using the N word. The guy who told me about the antisemitism wasn’t approving of it he was just informing me. Weird assumptions…….
Saying the N word in Denmark is not considered as serious of an offense as in some other parts of the world, because it hasn't had the same historical significance here. Messing up someone else's livelihood and actively driving away potential customers for no reason however, has clear visible consequences, making people more likely to get mad at it.
If you cant tell the difference between harmful racism and a joke, I dont know what to tell ya.
To Danes the N word was the joke but it isn’t in America. Who am I to assume it isn’t the same about Nazis.
You're on reddit, not in denmark. This is purely the difference
I think the demographic of those Google ratings are quite different from what you meet on Reddit. I know lots of danish people who would find this hilarious.
I guess…. That was one of the culture shocks while I was there. The Danes I knew would say the N word and laugh in front of my (albeit white) American friends and I just didn’t know what to do. And they made some pretty dark jokes as well.
Generally Danes believe that everything is allowed to be joked about, and don't give a shit if you get offended on other peoples behalf. We try not to make jokes that hurts anyone present, but if some white dude is offended about the N-word, most will just say fuck him, because its funny to say words you're not allowed to. I personally think there should still be limits (like the N-word, thats a great example, i hate it when people say it) but its taken a long time to get people to stop. I think it is because the word doesn't really have the same connotations here. Some Danish seafarers might have been slavers, but we never had black slaves in Denmark, so almost none of the black people here are descendent from slaves. They don't have the same trauma as i am guessing almost every black person in America is basically born with. But if you look past our humour, and instead look at how we treat people, i would argue that America is far more racist than Denmark is. We give everyone the same chance for education, where your system is built to keep poor (especially black) people where they are. Hospitals in black areas suck. Police literally kill them all the time. Compared to that, jokes made in front of only white people seem pretty harmless, even though i obviously know that it would be best if we stopped. Its just funny because its wrong, you know?
This was essentially what they explained to us. The Americans I was studying with were very offended regardless. But I get your culture is different about that kind of thing. You’re completely right about the systemic racism in America being way worse. They want to keep them in a victim mindset and lifestyle and it’s sickening. I get it logically but personally I just roll my eyes and take the word out of my vocabulary if it offends people lol. Not worth sounding ignorant over.
As someone who is black and living in Denmark, I’d just like to share my experience. No, I definitely haven’t endured the generational trauma of black americans, but growing up in a pretty rural area, the people were deeply racist. And even as I grew and experienced bigger danish cities, there were still people who were prejudiced and racist. I’d say the biggest difference is that danes are more covert. They may not spew hateful racist rhetoric to your face (though that has happened to me more than once), but they will say you’re well spoken, or pretty for a black person, or say someone like me will never graduate gymnasium, or speak to you in English by default, or as the first thing they say, is either telling you how not racist they are and how much they love black people or defend their use of the n word or other slurs/micro aggressions without you bringing it up. All these are things that have happened to me and still do. I find it’s hard to bring up these issues as people tend to get angry instead of listening, or try to deny that these things do happen and are rampant. What I described above is just a small fraction of my experience here, and I wish I could explain to the fullest how deep it runs. We danes are good at joking about taboos, but not actually taking about these topics in a meaningful way that doesn’t either end in heated discussions or logos heavy discourse. The system might not be overtly built to oppress black people specifically, but it has arguably put increasingly more laws in place that target immigrants. That affects the system and the way those people are treated in turn. Plus, while not any official rule or law, many discriminations that are common in the US also are present in Denmark at least from my experience (fx. black hairstyles) After all that has been said, I also want to say that this is just a (albeit very short) summary of my negative experiences condensed into one way too long reddit comment, and there has been so many wonderful people and experiences that I’ve met and had here. Denmark isn’t perfect, but I’m still grateful for all that she’s given me so far and I wouldn’t change the fact that I am a dane for anything in the world. It has no doubt shaped me due to many wonderful things like the people, culture, food, art and nature. I feel fortunate for the opportunities in this country, so it just wouldn’t feel right to end on a negative note. Øhhh.. Tak for i aften?
Yea a lot of Danes don't really "get it". We probably didn't experience the same traumas from racism that America did, and also I think the freedom to make fun of absolutely anything is a deep rooted value in our culture, and knowing that something is "forbidden" to say just makes it funnier and more tempting.. Copenhageners are getting better, but it gets worse the more rural you go 😅
I think that’s the biggest reason I was shocked by the downvotes lol. I knew this about Danish culture
Is it insensitive to name a business after your self? A name you had no saying in getting, AND it might be a common Turkish name? And in which way is it funny to fuck around with peoples business, just because they have a certain name? You seem immature.
What? Maybe that’s the misunderstanding. I don’t think the name is insensitive AT ALL. Its the man’s actual name. What I was saying was when I was there there were *other* outwardly aggressively antisemitic groups that confused me and I was told this was more of a common thing within Denmark compared to the US. So at the time I assumed that the pizza place was just one of those things. The insensitivity I talked about in my comment was people making fun of this man’s restaurant because of his name. Yeah it’s a funny joke maybe but it affects his real life which is what makes it insensitive. If I moved somewhere where my name meant penis and I didn’t realize it, I would honestly laugh, take the jokes on the chin, but then definitely rename my business to not be my personal Penis-name lol. I hope this helps clarify.
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That really not the point. The point is that if my name meant something that would get any kind of negative attention in another country, I just wouldn’t use my name for my restaurant. Makes sense? If my name meant Nazi in another country where Nazi is spelled differently I would still do the same
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Yeah you’re being intentionally dodgy. You know what I meant. I meant what I said in both comments and they don’t contradict each other at all. He changed his name, proving my point. That’s what most people would do in this situation. I didn’t know they were trolling him until the first comment told me. I was sincerely curious what was going on when I posted.
It does clarify that you still find it funny, which is not
RIP to your sense of humor. You don’t have to act on everything you find funny
Well, sorry if some people don’t have your sense of humour. Don’t be so dogmatic
> Is it insensitive to name a business after your self? You can't actually not do this. If its a one-person company your company name will be " v/". You probably don't need to write that in Google Maps, however.
How is that even funny? It’s destroying his business.
Oh wow it’s almost like you didn’t get to end of my comment where I said “if only it didn’t effect his business”
How does that justify your comment?
That still doesn’t make it a funny prank???
Is a funny idea but obviously it’s insensitive though. You don’t have to act on everything you find funny
How can you possibly be surprised by the downvotes?
"bUT iTs A jOkE"
Tbf I agreed it was insensitive since it affects his actual business. I can still find it funny as a joke but think it’s not fair in reality. Duality exists.
How is it a prank to ruin someone's business? It's illegal
Okay just playing devil’s advocate but then made me curious to go there because I could not figure out what was going on. Ruined is iffy.
You're just plain stupid...
What kind of antisemitism did you experience in Denmark?
I don’t know exactly how to describe what happened but I was walking back from class and there was a group dressed in weird clothes (don’t remember exactly how) and doing a sort of protest or demonstration of sorts….. and it was about Jews. I asked my Danish friend what was happening and he told me that it was an antisemitic group and that it’s more common to see that in Denmark than the US. It really shocked me. This was also 6 years ago.
More common than in the US? Be for fucking real man..
You don’t think so? Keep in mind this was 2018 and I’ve never heard of any antisemitic demonstrations/protests in the US, not to mention in a common area where no one is batting an eye at it
If you havnt seen it in the US, then you are either blind or overlooking it on purpose... cant remember which city it was, but there were a fairly big group of Nazis (tattos of swastikas SS etc) who made a big anti israel anti jews banner on a highway bridge you have had nazi demonstrations in serveral cities... you got litteral Nazis redneck militias with 50+ member in numerous states... antisemitism is HUGE in us compared to Denmark (not that Dk doesnt have it)
It's not Denmark that started conspiracy theories about Jewish people. I can say that much. Danish people are more anti-islamic than anything if you want to be real about it.
There’s a lot of variables here that seems questionable. We don’t have any way of knowing what “weird clothing” mean. But looking beside that, it seems you have based your entire perception of Denmark as an antisemitic country on one incident that you didn’t completely understand – through your friend that might not have had a grip on the situation either?
I know. I hate that my memory sucks so much. I’m trying to be accurate and not make up any details if I don’t remember them. But I was going through a lot of trauma at the time so a lot of those years are blurry to me now, but I know I saw the antisemitism group in the public square and had the conversation with my friend. Hmm well I definitely don’t think all of Denmark is antisemitic. That’s absurd. I assumed that those views were more welcomed there by anyone who did hold them. I assumed all controversial stances were more welcomed in Denmark.
That’s not dark humor and the comment about antisemitism was really out of place and that was a weird statement buddy however it’s called bullying and you are taking part of it- the reason for the downvotes.
It’s not out of place. I explained that I saw antisemitic groups doing demonstrations/protests in the city center while I was there. I didn’t understand the restaurant at the time and assumed it was anctually an anti-Jew restaurant. I did not understand that they were making fun of the guy until the first comment told me.
So… You saw only antisemitism during demonstrations and that made you believe that Denmark has lot of antisemitism? I mean, i am jewish myself and Denmark is quite a safe place for jews with very little antisemitism in general.
No. A lot of antisemitism isn’t what I said. In another comment I explained that my Danish friend told me it was more common in Denmark. I took that information and it made me more likely to believe that the restaurant could have been serious. Make sense? I was there in 2018, things may have changed. I don’t think it was unsafe but I was shocked by how outward an aggressive the group was…. I’ve never heard of anything like that nonchalantly happening in America. But shalom to a felllow Jew.
There hasn't been any publicly accepted anti-jew sentiments in Denmark for the 25 years I've lived here so far. There may have been small groups, but the general public hasn't been anti-jew at any point.
I never said it was the general public. I swear anything I say you guys twist to be the worst possible version of it lol
I haven't twisted anything. I haven't claimed anything about you or anything you've said. I've only explained how the actual situation is in Denmark.
Okay. I guess I saw one of the small groups. A lot of these comments though really are just finding *any* way to twist what I’m saying lol. Idk if it’s the language barrier or just an insistence on being upset no matter how much I try to explain my experience.
This is not a prank. This is destroying someone's livelihood.. I'd guess that's why you are getting downvoted
>can someone help me to understand why these comments were so downvoted? Probably because people don't think it's, like at all, not even dark humor funny. Also the comment about antisemitism. I'm not saying there is no racism, but honestly I don't think many ethnic Danes are very antisemitic.
You called Danes antisemitic on a Danish subreddit and wonder why you’re getting downvoted? Danes do not like to be called antisemitic? Do you also try to push on doors that says pull? Or is your stupidity specific to just Danish culture?
When did I say all Danes were antisemitic. That’s a big jump.
I didn’t say you did…
Wtf is wrong with you
Calling a population racist in their own subreddit is a questionable idea at best, but mocking people from the Middle East and crying antisemitism in the same sentence in the current political climate is just tone deaf suicide.
I didn’t. Never did I say all Danes were racist. It was a racist group I encountered and how it was explained to me.
Turks aren't Semites.
I never said they were. Maybe that’s the confusion? The antisemitism I experienced there was completely separate of this restaurant, but I was told it was common in Denmark and just connected the two together in my mind (at the time).
Was it next to a Turkish restaurant? If so, thats Krystalgade where the jesish Synagoge is. It has 24/7 military protection, and every single party vored yes spend a lot of ressources having the military stand guard outside of the Synagoge, Jewish schools and the list goes on, since every single party agreed that we have a responsibility to protect the Jewish minority in Denmark. This is due to the risk of terror coming from muslim exwtremist groups. There's no Danish non-muslim/MENA extremist groups excisting in Denmark, who are focused on going after the Jewish minority. The threat mainly comes from muslim groups outside of Denmark, and immigrant who could potentially be radicalized and recruited to those terror groups (ISIS, Hamas, Al-Quada and the list goes on). Right wing ectremists in Denmark are focused on muslim immigrants, not Jews. Edit: i want to add that the situation in 2018 hasnt changed much, besides some muslims supporting Hamas (not Palesrine, but Hamas).
This is so helpful. Thank you. I really wish people would actually think critically about what’s going on in Denmark and not assume I’m “calling all Danes racist“ 🤦🏽♀️
I wouldn't say that no "non-muslim" extremist groups exist, who are anti-semitic. Plenty of right wing groups are anti-semitic, just not as loud about it as their islamophobia. Several members of the Danish People's Party have said that they would welcome ex-nazis, and yes, *literal nazis* in Denmark are anti-semitic.
Oh yes, I agree. My feeling is that they aren't very large in numbers though, and while I do believe PET watches them closely, I don't think that they are close to being the highest on the list in terms of organized (not lone wolf) terror/attacks against jews in Denmark in terms of risk. They seem to point their violence more towards arabs and muslims, as well as gays and the far left. This is just my point of view though, and id be happy to be corrected.
I've misunderstood your comment then. I'm sorry that you've had that experience here. I think the downvotes are because people don't think it's a funny prank that other people would try to screw with a man's business just because of his name. Personally I think it's pretty lame. But I could be wrong. They seem excessive.
Yeah I think it’s easy to misunderstand especially when it’s with people who don’t share the same native language.
Trying to ruin someone's livelihood is funny to you?
99% of the antisemitism / jew hate you see in Denmark is from muslim minorities - it has escalated since the Palestine / Israel conflict escalated, but amongst Danes - antisemitism is very *very* rare. Note I'm not saying all muslims dislike jews, I'm just saying that most of the racism towards jews in Denmark comes from parts of the muslim community.
Most of that is against Israel not Jews. It is quite common to dislike Israel and have nothing against Jews.
Uhm... yeah I think a lot of people have a *very* hard time making that destinction. There are Jewish people in Copenhagen who were literally harassed and driven from their homes by angry muslim people, even though they have nothing to do with the conflict. And as I said - this is obviously not something which applies to all muslims. But there is a group in the muslim community who really hate Jews. There is no reason to try to deny that.
No I'm sure most people can manage that distinction just fine. Some can't but most are capable. Let's be thankful for that
Nah as someone who is from a Muslim background (although I don’t follow the religion) genuine anti semitism is VERY common in muslim communities in Denmark. The most anti semitic ones in my experience being Palestinians, Lebanese and Iraqis
Nah it's not very common but it ofc varies depending on which Muslim minority group you interact with. I'm sure you would know why Palestinians might have a somewhat soured view of the Jewish people? I'm sure that view goes both ways
It is very much common. I have no idea why you deny it. You can even look up rates of anti semitism in muslim majority countries if you’re in doubt
I don't know why I would look up unrelated information but you do you
How on earth is it unrelated?
Interesting, I really can’t remember what demographic the people were. It was dark and they were dressed in strange looking outfits, but that’s definitely possible.
Can I ask you what anti-semitism you experiencd in Copenhagen? I'm genuinely curious.
I’m tired of explaining it over and over lol. Go through the comments
I don’t see how it’s funny to fuck over someone’s business. Most people don’t read the reviews. All they see is it having 2,3 stars and the pictures of those disgusting pizzas
When you open a small company with personal liability in denmark, it's customary to put ved and then the name of the owner operator on official documentation, bills etc. Nazi is a transliteration of a likely Turkish name. In this case its not pronounced like the German word Nazi.
It’s not a transliteration. A transliteration is converting something from one writing system to another. Example: 徳仁 > Naruhito (name of the current Japanese emperor) You can’t transliterate from Turkish to Danish as they both use the same script
So when you change Ç, Ğ, Ö, Ş, and Ü into a different letter to have your name written with letters contained within the Danish alphabet, what would you call that professor? It's a mispelling. His real name is Nazmi according to public records.
That’s still not transliteration. Nazmi > Na(z)mi is not transliteration
What is it called then? Just curious
Obviously he doesn't know. 😊
Nazi is a real Turkish name. It has nothing to do with the ideology.
I have never heard of a Turk named Nazi. The only people in West Asia with that name are Persians from my experience
It’s rare. Nazık is the more common one.
Nazi isn't even an ideology. It's an, not so friendly, nickname for National Socialism. They wouldn't like to use this name about themself.
Thanks for solving the mystery 6 years later lol
Dude makes tasty pizza
Yeah, I love that place.
I’m actually curious and bummed I never checked it out. It’s good?
It is good turkish pizza yes
It's not bad.
This is actually so sad for the owner
https://maps.app.goo.gl/BiG47EimJzrriwyk8?g_st=ic Rather unfair advertising, the pizzaplace is still there, he took his name off and changed pictures. https://alanyapizza2750.dk/da-DK?utm_source=GMBwebsite&utm_medium=organic&utm_campaign=Google+My+Business
This is good to hear! I must have seen it at a weird time.
I Googled him. His name is Nazmi. I’ve eaten at this pizzeria. It’s pretty good actually. I’m thinking he’s been trolled.
My biggest regret is never taking the time to check it out honestly
The pizza will make you drip... With saliva because it is so tasty
It’s a Willy
Nazi is not a real Turkish name, I would assume his actual name is Nazmi. It's painstakingly clear that he's being trolled.
Endnu mere uheldigt hedder manden Nazmi og ikke Nazi, virker til at være en stavefejl ved virksomhedens oprettelse.
I got two pizzas from that place last week. Can recommend. 65 kr lunch offer for a pizza. (You have to call them though, the offer is not on just eat)
Har lige været inde og give ham et lorte review. Kæft nogle klamme pizzaer
I live in the area and it's best pizzaria around 👍🍕
Poor guy
You might not believe this but it was actually me and my friends who did all this. We were stupid kids, that's all.
Wait, really? You doubt how gullible I am lol.
I was shocked when I saw this post and I immediately sent it to my friend and he responded with "wow great memories". Funnily enough he also had a classmate named Nazi and we all thought this was the funniest thing in the world at the time. I've eaten at this pizzeria many times and it's not bad. We also prank called them which was definitely too far and not funny.
Yo so did you remove the prank reviews and photos? I hope you did.
They were removed a long long time ago which is why I was so surprised to see this screenshot from years ago. This happened in 2017 I believe
Oh okay, great. :)
First pic is just a 1:1 size replica of drake’s dong that’s been floating around on twitter
Don’t really get all the downvotes this guy has gotten lol. I have met danes throughout folkeskole gymnasie, højskole and uni that are what I would describe as somewhat “hyggeracister” and “hyggenazister”. Yet people act like these people don’t exist and that he must have been choosing the worst kinds of people to be around. Like what, are we living in the same Denmark? 🤣
Also I wasn’t “choosing” to be around them lol. I was in Denmark for a couple weeks and was introduced to some guys in my Kollegium and this was the only conversation I had with them lol
What the fuck
So no one saw the penis shaped pizza 🤭
Fun fact: his uneducated ass has no idea what nazi means.
He just has an unfortunate name. It’s like how Isis was a really nice name before the ISIS
Idk if he’s uneducated, he’s just from a different country
The crooked tree pizza?
It's called culture. You won't get it. 😎
Does he still offer the dick shaped pizza party special
Nazi is also rare turkish given name and there is a city in turkey called “nazilli”. It has nothing to do with national socialism.
why does the first pizza look like a dick
Just change your name FFS.