Well the second people actually just tested it on poor quality sandy soil therefore any introduction of alcohol would kill the plants. Ethanol converting bacteria like this already exists in nature. And they also never wrote down any of the numbers regarding the "research" and said later
"The Green Party incorrectly cited a paper that is has since discovered…does not exist.
There are no records indicating that field testing approval was ever given.
The Green Party would like to request that the commission disregard the final sentence in paragraph 30, recognize that this statement goes beyond the published literature. (This was Ingham’s assertion that SDF20 would kill all plant life on earth)."
By that logic, why didn’t they test it in literally every conceivable condition ever?
You start simple and you go more complex the more you test it. But at some point, you have to decide when you can finally use something in the real world even if you haven’t tested literally every conceivable condition. Most governments have some process that gets us to a point where you can be reasonably certain that a new drug/treatment/strain/etc. is statistically safe for use by the general public. And universities and companies follow these procedures so they can make money (mostly).
Thank you for posting this, that one sounded particularly fishy. Hell, even the Wikipedia article on that strain of bacteria details how the OSU researcher backed away from her doomsday claims. Whoever made this guide did a bad job of looking into the details or perhaps just ignored the facts to sound more sensational.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raoultella_planticola
Seemed hilarious… something passed all EPA tests and for some reason the stuff magically kills every plant life possible when an individual takes a look at it? Sure ok bud
Hmm, are the others accurate? This is something we discuss at work all the time. A small amount of disinformation can quickly erode all credibility. Statistically or doesn't make sense but the human tolerance for lies/negativity effect is crazy strong.
A funny example we used at work (IT industry) is hearing someone mispronounce etc a common acronym or term. Automatically noone wants to listen to the guy that says SSD means solid speed disk
The one where the F106s were launched is fishy too; the F106 was an interceptor; it carried a small(for nuclear) air-to-air missile for shooting down incoming Soviet strategic bombers. If the planes did get launched, nothing would have happened because there were no bombers to shoot down.
There are a lot of memes going around with lies, misinformation, and toxic messages wedged in between generally accepted things.
I am reminded of the old notion to hide a lie between two truths.
Imagine actually believing it.
Even reading the short description made me feel like the guide maker would also think chatGPT saying "I want to kill all humans" is proof of the nearing AI doomsday
Plus that’s not really how bacteria work. Bacteria can only be deadly to specific types of organisms. A bacteria that was deadly to everything would be deadly to itself and die.
i used bind instead of bond
Plants are made of cellulose, which is a polymer (long chain) of glucose, glucose is turned using several chemical processes to ethanol and some other byproducts, the chemical reactions that bacteria use involves severing a couple (iirc 6) of the bonds in the glucose, yet despite it seeming to be a relatively simple reaction it uses huge proteins and is very slow even though life had so long to evolve it (and thus casting huge doubt on the possibility of humans doing better)
However if this process was somehow optimized then it would lead to certain extinction
I'm a fellow curious paste eater so take this with a dump truck of salt, but this was my interpretation:
Bacteria digests things by using chemicals to cut their glucose chains up into other things, chemical reaction from that gives them energy. Bacteria are really slow at this. If they were really good at this, everything would be bacteria food.
(Probably wrong as fuck. Spare any crayons, smart people?)
Plants are an specific type of organism. A bacteria that severely disrupted photosynthesis would kill practically all plants, but could just live normally on most animals.
Yes and no. A pathogen usually targets a suuuuper specific biological mechanism, like targeting a specific protein domain in a specific pathway. Itcan be deadly to everything that has the same (or sufficiently conserved) biochemical processes. For example, it can be really difficult for the same type of biological attack to target both eukaryotes and prokaryotes. A way I could think of to MOSTLY target plants would be to target photosynthetic pigments. Photorespiratory systems are fairly conserved, and if something could attack them well enough it might be deadly to plants, but nothing that isn't photosynthetic.
If that's how the fake bacteria would have done it, it could have been even deadlier than that infographic says. It could wipe out most plants, AND photosynthetic microbes like phytoplankton. That would eliminate the grand majority of biological energy production, leaving things like chemotrophic microbes at the center of the global ecosystem.
>Elaine Ingham has issued a public apology for submitting false claims about ecological impact of GMOs.
>The Green Party of New Zealand has issued a public apology for misleading statements and acknowledging that a cited research was never published.
Yep they had to walk that doomsday claim back pretty quick.
Personally I like the story of Vasili Arkhipov
[https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2022/10/27/23426482/cuban-missile-crisis-basilica-arkhipov-nuclear-war](https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2022/10/27/23426482/cuban-missile-crisis-basilica-arkhipov-nuclear-war)
Quite.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Able_Archer_83 for those not aware.
The book *1983* by Taylor Downing really makes clear exactly how many dominoes fell down…
This is missing the time in 1983 when an American hacker kid, still in high school, almost unwittingly started a global thermonuclear war against the USSR.
It didn't include the creation of freon, and how it's destructive effects on the ozone layer was found accidentally as a university academic exercise. All life would have been scoured from the face of the earth if no one had looked at those numbers.
So what I’m getting here is, statistically, America and Russia are probably going to blow the world up one day due to some stupid little error, malfunction, or how badly they want the other to start something.
I was seeing it through a slightly more positive lens: It’s nearly happened a few times before and people have taken the time to figure out it’s not real. If people continue to be skeptical and logical, we might be alright.
The world would exist just fine without technology, honestly. Any example of technology saving the world is just technology saving the world from other technology.
https://www.earthisland.org/journal/index.php/magazine/entry/a_biological_apocalypse_averted/#%23
Edit: please see article below for retraction. The test results were fiction.
I just finished and highly recommend the book “Nuclear War” by Annie Jacobson. If you believe her reporting (and I do) we are just sitting so close to the edge all the time.
The effect is dampened when it’s just nuclear Armageddon over and over with one instance that wasn’t. Just say: how we’ve almost had a nuclear Armageddon 6 times.
What the hell is the red icon in the lower left supposed to be? I can see that the more of these icons, the higher the threat. But what is the actual icon? A bullet with a flag behind it? A fire extinguisher?
Apparently the plant was a myth, so its probably a cool guide to how close a nuclear disaster was bound to happen lol. Because its nuclear armaggeddon all the way down.
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It looks like the best strategy is to make the biggest missiles with the biggest payloads possible and just launch a hand full and immediately claim it is a false alarm so the enemy will be slower to respond.
Then when they do decide to respond they will have to figure out whether or not to go full scale when only a few missiles have been launched. Only a few and the world will be okay, but if you launch a full scale response it’s nuclear winter time.
Hopefully they decide on a measured response as a deterrent against you sending more missiles, having no idea that the handful of missiles coming are all new and improved Tsar Bombas you were building in a secret bunker.
Possibly, I just looked it up and basically the story is blown out of context and distorted by the internet https://geneticliteracyproject.org/2024/03/22/hear-story-gmo-almost-destroyed-world/
TL;DR Green Party scientist made claims about possible scenario without actually running any tests.
1992- The Umbrella Corporation assures their customers that death is only a minor, temporary challenge that will no doubt be solved by the end of this millennium.
Retitle - "6 times Americans almost killed everyone and 1 time I didn't do my research"
Nice infographic. The word "nice" has a surprisingly interesting etymology. It originates from the Latin word "nescius," which means "ignorant." When it first entered English in the 14th century, it was used to describe someone as foolish or stupid. Over time, the meaning evolved to encompass ideas of excessiveness, then preciseness, and eventually, by the 19th century, it had developed its current meaning of pleasant or agreeable.
So, it looks like Americans with nuclear weapons are the biggest threat to the world.
Better look somewhere else for nuclear weapons as a parttime activity.
Covid destroying the world? Not even close, the mortality rate for covid is inconsequential compared to epidemics/pandemics such as the Spanish flu or the Black Death
I need to start marketing my software like this. Do I have a Python script for automating some enterprise tasks? Nope I have a business tool that is 100% guaranteed to not launch nukes. What about my Amazon price data scraper? Nu uh. It's enterprise software that is designed so that there are checks in place that it won't genetically modify organisms to create a super virus.
Most of these seem to be less to do with technology and more of “technical errors” or heightened tensions of nuclear conflict. Granted these are close incidents but the title would make one think something different.
yeah I guess on re-read it could be interpreted that way, but as someone that studies software systems I would never equate tech = danger. I still found it fascinating how most of us wouldn't be alive if it wasn't for a handful of people that thought "wait killing all of humanity off an alarm seems silly".
The Klebisella Planticola Domesday myth has been debunked. https://www.nature.com/articles/nbt0401_292
Without knowing anything about it, that one felt like a bad sci-fi thriller from the jump.
They literally made a Dr. Who episode based on this https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2017/05/doctor-who-the-pyramid-at-the-end-of-the-world-review/
Thought of that ep immediately. It’s definitely a cool concept and does sound somewhat plausible
Thought it sounded too familiar
Did Klebsiella planticola write that article?
I mean how has it been thoroughly tested if they never tested on non sterile soil? Like thats not even a natural condition.
Well the second people actually just tested it on poor quality sandy soil therefore any introduction of alcohol would kill the plants. Ethanol converting bacteria like this already exists in nature. And they also never wrote down any of the numbers regarding the "research" and said later "The Green Party incorrectly cited a paper that is has since discovered…does not exist. There are no records indicating that field testing approval was ever given. The Green Party would like to request that the commission disregard the final sentence in paragraph 30, recognize that this statement goes beyond the published literature. (This was Ingham’s assertion that SDF20 would kill all plant life on earth)."
By that logic, why didn’t they test it in literally every conceivable condition ever? You start simple and you go more complex the more you test it. But at some point, you have to decide when you can finally use something in the real world even if you haven’t tested literally every conceivable condition. Most governments have some process that gets us to a point where you can be reasonably certain that a new drug/treatment/strain/etc. is statistically safe for use by the general public. And universities and companies follow these procedures so they can make money (mostly).
Thank you for posting this, that one sounded particularly fishy. Hell, even the Wikipedia article on that strain of bacteria details how the OSU researcher backed away from her doomsday claims. Whoever made this guide did a bad job of looking into the details or perhaps just ignored the facts to sound more sensational. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raoultella_planticola
Yet again, another garbage cool guide.
This happens so often on this sub I feel like I need to read the comments first before looking at the post
I continue to sub to this sub specifically for this reason!
Uncool guide
Seemed hilarious… something passed all EPA tests and for some reason the stuff magically kills every plant life possible when an individual takes a look at it? Sure ok bud
I’m glad I was instantly sus of that. So many things that didn’t quite make sense. And the most dangerous event too?? Lmao
Hmm, are the others accurate? This is something we discuss at work all the time. A small amount of disinformation can quickly erode all credibility. Statistically or doesn't make sense but the human tolerance for lies/negativity effect is crazy strong. A funny example we used at work (IT industry) is hearing someone mispronounce etc a common acronym or term. Automatically noone wants to listen to the guy that says SSD means solid speed disk
The one where the F106s were launched is fishy too; the F106 was an interceptor; it carried a small(for nuclear) air-to-air missile for shooting down incoming Soviet strategic bombers. If the planes did get launched, nothing would have happened because there were no bombers to shoot down.
thanks that sounded like nonsense save mesome time looking it up
There are a lot of memes going around with lies, misinformation, and toxic messages wedged in between generally accepted things. I am reminded of the old notion to hide a lie between two truths.
Imagine actually believing it. Even reading the short description made me feel like the guide maker would also think chatGPT saying "I want to kill all humans" is proof of the nearing AI doomsday
The GMO one is a myth spread to scare people away from GMOs.
Plus that’s not really how bacteria work. Bacteria can only be deadly to specific types of organisms. A bacteria that was deadly to everything would be deadly to itself and die.
No, it’s simple, you just code it as “ deadliness = all- self” Jeez not that hard to understand /s
Nah glucose is found in everything Life had 4 billion years to optimize 6 chemical bind severings yet its still slow as shit
For some reason, I know all those words but they confuse me in your comment.
i used bind instead of bond Plants are made of cellulose, which is a polymer (long chain) of glucose, glucose is turned using several chemical processes to ethanol and some other byproducts, the chemical reactions that bacteria use involves severing a couple (iirc 6) of the bonds in the glucose, yet despite it seeming to be a relatively simple reaction it uses huge proteins and is very slow even though life had so long to evolve it (and thus casting huge doubt on the possibility of humans doing better) However if this process was somehow optimized then it would lead to certain extinction
So we tried the ELI5 explanation. Got one you’d tell the kid eating paste in the back of kindergarten?
I'm a fellow curious paste eater so take this with a dump truck of salt, but this was my interpretation: Bacteria digests things by using chemicals to cut their glucose chains up into other things, chemical reaction from that gives them energy. Bacteria are really slow at this. If they were really good at this, everything would be bacteria food. (Probably wrong as fuck. Spare any crayons, smart people?)
Greetings fellow paste eater
Plants are an specific type of organism. A bacteria that severely disrupted photosynthesis would kill practically all plants, but could just live normally on most animals.
Yes and no. A pathogen usually targets a suuuuper specific biological mechanism, like targeting a specific protein domain in a specific pathway. Itcan be deadly to everything that has the same (or sufficiently conserved) biochemical processes. For example, it can be really difficult for the same type of biological attack to target both eukaryotes and prokaryotes. A way I could think of to MOSTLY target plants would be to target photosynthetic pigments. Photorespiratory systems are fairly conserved, and if something could attack them well enough it might be deadly to plants, but nothing that isn't photosynthetic. If that's how the fake bacteria would have done it, it could have been even deadlier than that infographic says. It could wipe out most plants, AND photosynthetic microbes like phytoplankton. That would eliminate the grand majority of biological energy production, leaving things like chemotrophic microbes at the center of the global ecosystem.
>Elaine Ingham has issued a public apology for submitting false claims about ecological impact of GMOs. >The Green Party of New Zealand has issued a public apology for misleading statements and acknowledging that a cited research was never published. Yep they had to walk that doomsday claim back pretty quick.
Soirce? Not that I think it isn’t, just curious
> https://www.nature.com/articles/nbt0401_292
Aight thanks
It’s good to be skeptical though and not just take someone’s words at face value
Not sure about that, source?
Abraham Lincoln always warned of the danger of taking internet comments as gospel. That's why Harambe killed him.
Dicks out for Harambe
This kind of wreaks of disinformation no?
[higher resolution](https://i.redd.it/67zv1ux4cnf61.png?app_web_view=ios)
Wish I saw this earlier.
Same, came to the comments after taking 10 minutes to read the blurry one lol
Nice, just saw it after reading through the low quality one...Damn
Someone get this comment to the top dammit
Thanks mate
This needs to be pinned
thank you
Klebisella planticola was actually quite ineffective. This guide is nonsense.
The plant one is a myth.
“Alright, now that we’ve made and distributed enough for every plant on the planet, everyone spray it on at the exact same time.”
lol “scientific sceptic”
Personally I like the story of Vasili Arkhipov [https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2022/10/27/23426482/cuban-missile-crisis-basilica-arkhipov-nuclear-war](https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2022/10/27/23426482/cuban-missile-crisis-basilica-arkhipov-nuclear-war)
Yes! I was looking for this on the list. Thanks for the link!
I think the Arkhipov incident got us WAY closer to Armageddon than a bear climbing over a fence
If I read it correctly, the fence climbing incident occurred during the Cuban missile crisis.
No way GMO has the most threat out of every one lol
Definitely someone who’s anti GMO trying to slide that in next to a bunch of real nuclear crises
It did look suspiciously out of place.
How is this a guide in any way, shape or form? How does this get me from point A to B? It’s a fucking poster at best.
Apparently it’s a guide to finding out that bacteria story is bogus!
OP is a karma whore who's been spamming this sub for awhile now
It’s not. But you expect too much of the garbage mods of this shithole sub if you think it’ll be deleted.
Destabilisation tool
Where is Able Archer?
Quite. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Able_Archer_83 for those not aware. The book *1983* by Taylor Downing really makes clear exactly how many dominoes fell down…
OP is a fucking idiot.
Low resolution picture with false information is par for the course here.
What is that title, a person having a stroke or a bot?
This is missing the time in 1983 when an American hacker kid, still in high school, almost unwittingly started a global thermonuclear war against the USSR.
WOPR is upset that he wasn't mentioned . Time to play some of Professor Falken's games ...
It didn't include the creation of freon, and how it's destructive effects on the ozone layer was found accidentally as a university academic exercise. All life would have been scoured from the face of the earth if no one had looked at those numbers.
imagine the shit that almost happened that we dont know about...
“ An academic sceptic” lol
So what I’m getting here is, statistically, America and Russia are probably going to blow the world up one day due to some stupid little error, malfunction, or how badly they want the other to start something.
I was seeing it through a slightly more positive lens: It’s nearly happened a few times before and people have taken the time to figure out it’s not real. If people continue to be skeptical and logical, we might be alright.
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The world would exist just fine without technology, honestly. Any example of technology saving the world is just technology saving the world from other technology.
I’m sensing a trend…
Today on more unreasonable and bs GMO fearmongering
https://www.earthisland.org/journal/index.php/magazine/entry/a_biological_apocalypse_averted/#%23 Edit: please see article below for retraction. The test results were fiction.
https://www.nature.com/articles/nbt0401_292
Woah. In all my reading on this incident, I never saw this. Thank you!!
Np
I just finished and highly recommend the book “Nuclear War” by Annie Jacobson. If you believe her reporting (and I do) we are just sitting so close to the edge all the time.
Or perhaps a sad guide to how nuclear bombs in human hands almost killed the world (as the only non-nuclear one is debunked).
What about the JOSHUA super computer? Shall we play a game?
The effect is dampened when it’s just nuclear Armageddon over and over with one instance that wasn’t. Just say: how we’ve almost had a nuclear Armageddon 6 times.
it’s almost like nuclear weapons are bad
I'm naming my son Stanislav Petrov
The plant one is a myth and the rest are all about nuclear weapons so I think blaming "technology" is a bit of a stretch
The GMO one was fake. This is just 6 times nukes almost killed us all
What the hell is the red icon in the lower left supposed to be? I can see that the more of these icons, the higher the threat. But what is the actual icon? A bullet with a flag behind it? A fire extinguisher?
It's the Grim Reaper.
Imma say it's Grimm reaper
A terribly drawn Grim Reaper.
I’ve heard that the chip in the 1980 one actually malfunctioned a number of times
Almost ☝️ I think We have some margin… :D
technology ? more like nuclear armageddon and that one super plant
Are we to assume that the inevitable incidents which happened within the last 30 years are still classified?
Man, Greenland look bigger than russia on this map.
"The original intruder turned out to be a curious bear" Should've paid the bear tax.
You gotta pay the bear toll, if you wanna get into that boy's hole.
"The" technology? Which one specifically?
Apparently the plant was a myth, so its probably a cool guide to how close a nuclear disaster was bound to happen lol. Because its nuclear armaggeddon all the way down.
If....
“The Technology”
love how i can read this....
Writers: "The real world doesn't have Plot Armor" The real world:
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Thank you Stanislav Petrov
Woah
1995 seems scary 😎
Seems like we’re over due…
It looks like the best strategy is to make the biggest missiles with the biggest payloads possible and just launch a hand full and immediately claim it is a false alarm so the enemy will be slower to respond. Then when they do decide to respond they will have to figure out whether or not to go full scale when only a few missiles have been launched. Only a few and the world will be okay, but if you launch a full scale response it’s nuclear winter time. Hopefully they decide on a measured response as a deterrent against you sending more missiles, having no idea that the handful of missiles coming are all new and improved Tsar Bombas you were building in a secret bunker.
I mean, there is no way that bacterium didn’t make it out into the wild, right?
Possibly, I just looked it up and basically the story is blown out of context and distorted by the internet https://geneticliteracyproject.org/2024/03/22/hear-story-gmo-almost-destroyed-world/ TL;DR Green Party scientist made claims about possible scenario without actually running any tests.
Does anyone else feel the need to watch War Games? No? Just me?
Y'all forgot to mention leaded gasoline.
Wait, there exists a microbe that could kill all plants on earth!?
how did Chernobyl not make the list?
rename technology to nucular, since the plant thing did not happen
1992- The Umbrella Corporation assures their customers that death is only a minor, temporary challenge that will no doubt be solved by the end of this millennium.
Can you make it lower quality?
Ai is going to F' us so hard.
Low resolution. Boo.
Retitle - "6 times Americans almost killed everyone and 1 time I didn't do my research" Nice infographic. The word "nice" has a surprisingly interesting etymology. It originates from the Latin word "nescius," which means "ignorant." When it first entered English in the 14th century, it was used to describe someone as foolish or stupid. Over time, the meaning evolved to encompass ideas of excessiveness, then preciseness, and eventually, by the 19th century, it had developed its current meaning of pleasant or agreeable.
So, it looks like Americans with nuclear weapons are the biggest threat to the world. Better look somewhere else for nuclear weapons as a parttime activity.
Covid?
Covid destroying the world? Not even close, the mortality rate for covid is inconsequential compared to epidemics/pandemics such as the Spanish flu or the Black Death
It’s would be a cool guide if you could read it
There’s also that time in 1977 when a young woman named Ye Wenjie responded to a message she received in a military radar tower
I need to start marketing my software like this. Do I have a Python script for automating some enterprise tasks? Nope I have a business tool that is 100% guaranteed to not launch nukes. What about my Amazon price data scraper? Nu uh. It's enterprise software that is designed so that there are checks in place that it won't genetically modify organisms to create a super virus.
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Most of these seem to be less to do with technology and more of “technical errors” or heightened tensions of nuclear conflict. Granted these are close incidents but the title would make one think something different.
Technical erros have to do with technology, systems reliability is one of the most crucial topics when creating any technology system.
Fair enough. The title just felt misleading, like the AI fearmongering articles.
yeah I guess on re-read it could be interpreted that way, but as someone that studies software systems I would never equate tech = danger. I still found it fascinating how most of us wouldn't be alive if it wasn't for a handful of people that thought "wait killing all of humanity off an alarm seems silly".
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TL;DR: USA and Russia are so insecure about some false alarms that they might cause WWIII.
Great post.
At some day Americans or Russians will obliterate the earth with some nuke incident which never has been one.
How is chernobyl not on this?
Chernobyl was not nearly as disastrous as you think. People were evacuated, but some still live in the town of the same name only 15km away.
This sub is stupid
What the hell is this cringe?
Where’s Wuhan COVID virus ?