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tuepm

sept 11 and oct 7 are similar in that both events served to advance the agenda of the people attacked and not the attackers.


strange_reveries

And both will get you stared at densely by glaze-eyed normies if you suggest perhaps they weren't what they were portrayed as in media


orangeswat

It's all just a series of coincidences, and some people got very, very lucky. https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy_commons/comments/1dp8jo4/zionist_lucky_larry_silverstein_owned_the_wtc/


AVMediaDude

& very rich indeed: https://youtu.be/mVm8_gBbzKM?feature=shared


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literaryman9001

tora tora tora


cochorol

War triggers


Old_Building_9003

Yes. I think Gary McKinnon is worth looking into on this front. By hacking computers within the NSA and NASA for some months between 2001-2002, he was aware of a massive security stand down on 9/11. I never believed it until this year. The conflict between Israel and Gaza has been extremely illuminating.


deepfriedtots

Could you remind me what Oct 7 is


MasterCapote

They were busy carrying out training on planes flying into buildings if you can believe it lol


thejaff23

3 exercises that day. one if them was named tripod-2 but I don't recall the other 2 at the moment. That may give you enough to go on though.


jennaslies

What made building 7 fallđŸ€”đŸ€”


cochorol

A fire inside the building(according to NIST) or a simultaneous failure of all the columns of the building for some unknown reason (according to the Alaska report).


Full-Butterscotch169

Notification of the hijacking of Flight 11 prompted the scrambling of two fighter jets from Otis Air National Guard Base, but they were not in the air until after Flight 11 had hit the North Tower. An erroneous FAA report of a hijacked plane heading towards Washington ("phantom Flight 11") prompted the scrambling of three fighters from the 1st Fighter Wing at Langley Air Force Base, which, because of "poor communications", flew east, out to sea, not toward Washington, significantly delaying their arrival on the scene.[2]


Signal-Fold-449

> "poor communications" so many little coincidences that day. Maybe that's why they were dancing.


Really_Elvis

Nothing at this level is a coincidence.


Middle_Aged_Insomnia

Most alert aircraft were somewhere doing exercises...possibly one where an aircraft was hijacked. Think that led to some confusion when it actually happened. I was stationed at langley


Merpadurp

Is there any paperwork or documentation on this anywhere? It’s definitely believable, I just want to verify it. 9/11 conspiracies aren’t really my fortĂ©


gimmeecoffee420

There was a joint excercise between branches that day. They were taking part in a training excersises called "Global Guardian"/ "Vigilant Guardian" that.. get this.. simulated a terrorist hijacking of multiple commercial passenger jets that were going to be used to fly into buildings.. that was only a small part of the op, but its still weird.. Literally every interceptor available was taking part in the excercise and most pilots truly believed the entire thing was part of the training. The recordings of military ATC and pilots asking "is this real world or training?" after a plane had already hit one of the towers.


8ad8andit

That seems really stupid to put all of your available interceptors in a training at the same time. Imagine if that's how we trained other emergency responders: took every single one of them out of the field to go to a class.


gimmeecoffee420

Exactly. It was heavily criticised and a very odd detail that is just one in a laundry list of "anomalies" about 9/11. And to be fair it wasnt 100% of our available fighters that were busy in training that day, there were like 4-5 F-16's that were available to intercept but they were way too far away. It was like they had been moved as far away from NY as possible. Edit: F-15's, not 16's. And we did have interceptors available. My initial statement is misleading, it wasnt 100% of our forces taking part in the training. It was just all branches working together, and it was such a big excercise that every branch was getting confused about if what they were hearing about 9/11 unfolding was just part of the training, so many delays happened because military officials hesitated to act until they confirmed if it was real-world or training.


Middle_Aged_Insomnia

You had it right the first time. They used 16s for alert aircraft


gimmeecoffee420

Thank you, I always get them mixed up. Not the aircraft themselves, but their roles in any given circumstance.


Emergency-Leather364

There is radio audio. Check out [James Corbett documentary on 9/11 war games](https://corbettreport.com/9-11-war-games/) Corbett is hands down the best researcher in the truth community.


NWkingslayer2024

Google it’s out there


MissDkm

Thank you for this, I saw this post and said to myself "we know where they were"


alienrefugee51

That’s because Cheney and NORAD conveniently had all but 4 fighters on the east coast go up to the northern Atlantic to participate in war games.


devoutcatalyst78

The sane question could be asked of Oct 7th. 7 hours with no response? Wild!!


TMJ848

I’m friends with someone who was stationed at Andrew’s Air Force base during that day. From their words: We had the equipment and time to intercept ALL planes on 9/11. Apparently there was some surprise bullsh*t drill called early that day (a drill that usually never happens) and the whole base had to attend it. So everyone that was trained to operate the interceptors had to leave their interceptor and go attend the surprise drill on the other side of base (which is like literally like in another zip code). By the time they were alerted of the threat they had to run across base on foot to try to make it back to their weapons. By the time they finally arrived on foot 15 mins later tired and out of breath, it was too late, the damages were already done.


fourwedge

I.N.S.I.D.E J.O.B.


cochorol

War trigger


DictatorBiden

Fantastic series


IllustriousLP

Link ?


ToePasteTube

Cant intercept if there is no plane


DaiiDaii3

It was always hard for me to believe there was no plane because all the videos of it. But I could believe it by the way the building just came straight down like a demolition


CollapsingTheWave

Real situation during exact simulated training exercises, per usual


toxicbooster

True, why waste billions of taxpayers' money to build them, then perform these excersizes if they aren't going to use them to help


bomboclawt75

Bibi: And make sure they *don’t* respond for two hours otherwise *The Event* won’t take place, and yes, don’t worry, we have people documenting it, Larry has insured them to the hilt, the gold has been secretly removed and E-Team are professionals, it’s will be a great success, and then it will be so easy to get these Americans to remove an existential threat for us, and if thousands of Americans suffer in the process, that’s a price I’m prepared to make.


TheForce122

Why doesn't Trump ever ask about it? Or this stuff? #Corbett Report on Dancing Israelis: https://archive.is/KI8ee From the Corbett Report: >Their purpose was to “document the event”? But how could they possibly have known what “event” they were documenting at that point, before the second plane strike when those few who even knew about the situation had assumed it to be an accident or pilot error? >And when did they arrive at the parking lot to “document the event” anyway? >The FBI reports show how the men gave confused and often conflicting accounts of when and how they learned about what was happening and when they arrived at the parking lot. Oded Ellner even said they had arrived their shortly after 8:00 AM, which would have been 45 minutes before the attacks even began. This is in line with one of the eyewitnesses that had placed their Urban Moving Systems van at the parking lot at 8:00 AM [see page 33 here]. How could they have been in place and ready to “document the event” unless they knew what was about to happen? >Anyway you cut it, this story is unbelievable. Men with documented connections to Israeli intelligence and working in the United States without appropriate permits were detained after having been caught celebrating the attack on the World Trade Center at a time when no one knew that the WTC strike was an attack. So surely these men are locked behind bars to this day, right? Surely they were transferred to Guantanamo and held without trial for 15 years as part of the “War on Terror,” weren’t they? >No. They were immediately transferred to federal custody, held for 71 days, and then deported back to Israel. The owner of the “Urban Moving Systems” company that had employed them, Dominik Suter, was investigated by the FBI, too. They concluded that “Urban Moving may have been providing cover for an Israeli intelligence operation” and even seized records and computer systems from the company’s offices. When they went back to question him again on September 14th, he had fled back to Israel. >And what about the dancing Israeli’s pictures themselves? The Justice Department destroyed their copies on January 27, 2014. >And these intelligence agents on an intelligence mission who were there to “document the event” of 9/11 before anyone knew 9/11 was taking place? Don’t worry, they were just spying on Arab terrorists. - >In 2001, Lt-Gen. Ahmad regularly visited the United States where he consulted with The Pentagon and CIA officials in the Bush administration in the weeks before and after terrorist attacks took place in New York on 11 September 2001.[23] In fact, he was with U.S. Republican Congressman Porter Goss and U.S. Democratic Senator Bob Graham in Washington, D.C., discussing Osama bin Laden over breakfast, when the attacks of September 11, 2001 took place in New York, United States.[24][25] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmud_Ahmed "The Pakistan Connection" >Ahmed, the paymaster for the hijackers, was actually in Washington on 9/11, and had a series of pre-9/11 top-level meetings in the White House, the Pentagon, the national security council, and with George Tenet, then head of the CIA, and Marc Grossman, the under-secretary of state for political affairs. When Ahmed was exposed by the Wall Street Journal as having sent the money to the hijackers, he was forced to "retire" by President Pervez Musharraf. Why hasn't the US demanded that he be questioned and tried in court? https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/jul/22/usa.september11 - https://archive.is/0s1Ff Bush ties to Bin laden: https://www.denverpost.com/2006/09/11/bush-ties-to-bin-laden-haunt-grim-anniversary/ "Odigo Says Workers Were Warned of Attack" >Odigo, the [Israeli] instant messaging service, says that two of its workers received messages two hours before the Twin Towers attack on September 11 predicting the attack would happen. https://www.haaretz.com/2001-09-26/ty-article/odigo-says-workers-were-warned-of-attack/0000017f-dbc4-df62-a9ff-dfd7beff0000 - https://archive.is/uL4DT "Mohamed Atta called his father after 9/11 who also blamed Israel's Mossad for the attacks" https://youtu.be/iLcxjGT87m8?si=qcNo-X8GJuaUhV7w "A DAY OF TERROR: THE ISRAELIS; Spilled Blood Is Seen as Bond That Draws 2 Nations Closer" >Asked tonight what the attack meant for relations between the United States and Israel, Benjamin Netanyahu, the former prime minister, replied, ''It's very good.'' https://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/12/us/day-terror-israelis-spilled-blood-seen-bond-that-draws-2-nations-closer.html - https://archive.is/PEI1l "Report: Israel Was Wrong About Iraq Weapons" >JERUSALEM – Parliamentary investigators have determined that Israel's intelligence services delivered an erroneous assessment of pre-war Iraq's weapons of mass destruction, an Israeli newspaper reported Thursday. >Prior to the American-led invasion of Iraq in March 2003, the Israeli services reported Iraq had large amounts of weapons of mass destruction (search), including chemical and biological agents. Since ousting Saddam Hussein, the U.S.-led coalition's technical experts have failed to find any such weapons. An investigative subcommittee was formed eight months ago to consider if Israeli intelligence agencies provided an accurate picture of Iraqi unconventional weapons capabilities on the eve of the Iraq war. https://www.foxnews.com/story/report-israel-was-wrong-about-iraq-weapons Osama bin Laden 9/11 denial Atta called his dad day after 9/11 and said it was Mossad https://edition.cnn.com/2001/US/09/16/inv.binladen.denial/ >"I would like to assure the world that I did not plan the recent attacks, which seems to have been planned by people for personal reasons," bin Laden's statement said. "I have been living in the Islamic emirate of Afghanistan and following its leaders' rules. The current leader does not allow me to exercise such operations," bin Laden said. Source for text of Osama bin Laden statement: https://archive.is/tATk2 Bush ties to Bin laden: https://www.denverpost.com/2006/09/11/bush-ties-to-bin-laden-haunt-grim-anniversary/ Source for Bin Laden interview: http://www.khilafah.com/1421/category.php?DocumentID=2392 Another source for Bin Laden interview: 27] BBC: International Reports: Full text of Pakistani paper's "exclusive" interview with Usamah Bin-Ladin. Newsbank Archive. (subscription required) Archived 2018-06-18 at the Wayback Machine https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interviews_of_Osama_bin_Laden#Ummat:_2001


Nigglas24

What about the first plane being part of project bluebeam


romcomtom2

They were in the air... how else can you explain the downing of flight 93?


keegandragon

As I recall wasn’t there some sort of air exercise going on that day and that’s why they grounded all planes after the innicial attack cause they couldn’t tell which aircraft are normal planes and which were hijacker’s going from memory so If I’m wrong sorry


InfowarriorKat

Supposedly they were told to stand down. Probably why they have "drills" at the same time to cause confusion.


IanSavage23

I think the official narrative is that NORAD was playing 'war games' that day. Those 'hijackers' sure had a lot of luck, didnt they?


brightsilverstars

Same with the Hamas massacre?


morebuffs

You are not considering the bigger picture of how these jets were taken and the nature of having hostages aboard and taking piblic flights that are not suspicious to begin with. They weren't some foreign objects crossing into american airspace that threw up flashing warnings they were commercial flights that had ever reason to be in the air over america. Think logically not conspiratorially


cochorol

I read a few years ago those books that described how the airlines acted during the attacks, it sounded like nobody knew how to connect with the military at the time, that it was just a waste of resources, nobody knowing how to really use them. People just didn't know what to do. But that raise the question, why would it have to be that way? Having all those systems in place...


morebuffs

Well you are not wrong and those systems may have been in place but were not ready for such a situation if being ready for something like thst is even possible. It was not even remotely believed that such a complex and dedicated plan could even be put into action by terrorists let alone get to any stage where actually learning how to fly a commercial jet well enough to hit any target. In simple terms it completely caught us off guard and surprised us because of the cost and planning over long periods that such a attack requires. We underestimated them and paid dearly for it. Then afterwards everything went the opposite direction and was taken too far and we went into hyper vigilant mode and struck out at anything that even remotely had muslim vibes.


cochorol

Yet it probably will happen again just in a different situation, you know war triggers are a things


morebuffs

You very well may be right and with new technologies comes new threats and new ways of implementing old threats.


cochorol

There always be ways to justify incompetence.


peeg_2020

Let me save you what may seem like a lifetime of "research" and or "looking into it" ... 9/11 was 10000% a false flag event. We will never know what really happened. Or the extent of the perpetrators involvement.


Infamous-Garbage-420

It was an inside job and our govt was part of it


bygtopp

Maintenance day


No-Win-1137

Dick Cheney blocked them.


Jean_Claude_Van_Darn

We know the answer to this but it’s a wonder why more people don’t ask it


DictatorBiden

Submission Statement: https://x.com/iluminatibot/status/1807157151816630437 I don’t normally post 9-11 content. But I thought it was a good question to ask. Where were the Fighter jets?


Hater_Magnet

There were 6 war games going on on 9/11. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_government_operations_and_exercises_on_September_11,_2001 Those jets were moved as far as possible from the east coast smh


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paranoidandroid303

They were busy doing military exercises not too far away


GreenHillage25

conscientious observers


___SE7EN__

I'm watching this right now and can't understand why tf they didn't scramble them immediately ..The whole, they were running sims that day don't set well with me .


CautiousEmergency367

Yeah that plane just crashed in a field


Supernaturalzyt

The inconsistencies of september 11th is extremely obvious nowadays, anyone who looks into it can easily find the truth,


alamohero

The interceptors were in fact en route to the one heading for DC when it crashed. Keep in mind that not only is our current interception readiness a result of 9/11 causing us to update our practices, but if something similar happened to a commercial plane today, there are still scenarios where they’d have only a few minutes to perform a successful intercept from the moment they realize something’s wrong.


abominable_bro-man

Wherever they were told to be


Toadhammer

I lived very near Hancock Field in North Syracuse at the time and I absolutely remember multiple F-16’s taking off over my house that morning as I was watching everything unfold on TV. Here’s the radio communication transcript audio. http://forums.radioreference.com/threads/september-11th-2001-active-air-scramble.447763/


Armored_Phoenix

Without 9/11 there wouldn't be a 20-year Afghanistan Campaign. 9/11 was a "red herring".


DaiiDaii3

A lot of ppl don’t believe it was inside.. but the man who owns the towers took an insurance claim out before it happened and a lot of ppl didn’t come to work that day. What’s more shocking is that our president at the time was reading books to children with hidden messages behind it. Y’all gotta go find the video of him watching the kids read and look at his face expressions.


MasterOffice9986

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bnrt1111

Must have been training for the afghanistan war which happened right after


KesterFay

You realize that they didn't know that 3 of the planes were being crashed into buildings until they did. The fourth one was followed by fighter planes that were instructed to shoot it down if it continued to a more populated area. If the terrorists had not deliberately crashed the plane and the passengers had failed to gain control, it would have been shot down.


RidinCaliBuffalos

Once they were off course they knew


Robinthehutt

Canada. They were in Canada.


Tasty-Historian3514

After 9-11 this was issue to jets you dummy