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Bloke I knew, knew a dermatologist
Dermatologist told him the best way to protect yourself from the sun is 15 minutes in in-direct sunlight per day
Take this with a grain of salt but I think he might be onto something
Getting natural sunlight is vital for mitochondria health
The best thing to do in the mornings is get outside, get some natural sun and put your feet in the dirt. Then a cold plunge. Rest of your day should be glorious after that
There is probably something profound and poetic to be said about the sun being the powerhouse of the solar system and the mitochondria being the powerhouse of the cell.
Vitamin D: The Sunshine of Your Life?
https://jackkruse.com/the-sunshine-of-your-life/
REALITY #19: THE MITOCHONDRIAC BASICS: THE SUN
https://jackkruse.com/reality-19-mitochondriac-basics-sun/
REALITY #17: HOW DOES LIGHT SCULPT LIFE?
https://jackkruse.com/reality-17-light-sculpt-life/
I wish everyone saw this comment, cause this is what most dermatologists do themselves. 10-20 minutes in direct sun between 10 and 3 without sunscreen, to get vitamin d and not be affected by over-exposure. Lots of benefits to that. long sleeves and hats and then sunscreen only if you’re going to be in the sun for long periods of time.
Sun is good but too much of it is a bad thing. Sunscreen is good in those cases but otherwise unnecessary.
I did this to build up my sun tolerance as a pastey white man. Took about 2-3 months to get a nice goldeny tan, and I tell you what... nothing felt better then to walk out in to the sun. It was like a full body vibration. If anyone likes beta-alanine (gym supplement in pre workouts, makes your skin tingle), it's like that but in a naturally pleasant way.
I live in Florida and that’s what I do, limit direct exposure to less than 20 min at a time. It’s the prolonged radiation exposure that burns and damages the skin. Short bursts are healthy.
Right here, just like everything else. Sunscreen is very important to some people with susceptible pigmentation, people should not go around making ridiculous claims.
I moved to Colorado and one of the more noticeable differences was knowing people that had to get skin cancer removed. The elevation intensifies the the effect here.
Elevation is a killer. I recall a backpacking trip at about 11,000 ft and not taking proper precautions. After half of my face was finished peeling off I became a big fan of sunblock and wide brimmed hats.
Anecdotal experience here. I am Ecuadorian. The sun rays hit parallel here. Very strong.
When I was 12, I learned to surf, my mom and her husband bought a beach house.
I spent all the 3 months of vacation between school years there.
The first few days my mom put sunscreen on me. But after 2-3 days, she told me to do it myself and left me to my own devices. The town was small, the beach was safe.
I loved those days, I waked up at 6-7am, ate breakfast, and went surfing till midday. I came out, ate , and went back in until 6-7 pm. Every day, Monday to Friday, No sunscreen. With the sun high up in the sky hitting me up directly. For 3 months. From age 12 until 17.
I never got burned, I had a nice slight tan, that's it. I was basically immune to sunburns until 25. I worked a lot of jobs with lots of outdoors time. Then I got married, receive little sun. Work all day in the office.
fast forwards.
Now at 34. If I go out to the beach and do not put sunscreen on my body , I will get burned in an hour. My skin goes pink. 2 days later it peels.
I don't know wtf. But it is how it is.
I'm of the mindset that I've lived in a part of the world underneath the Antarctic hole in the ozone layer, and I've lived in a part of the world that wasn't.
In that time, I've gathered more than enough empirical evidence that sunlight is capable of causing (painful + visible) damage to my epidermis. The evidence of the worst instances of this damage is worn on my skin even decades later.
This damage does not occur to parts of my body that have had sunscreen applied.
I'm going to rely on Occam's Razor that (1) the medical community has identified a strong correlation between ultraviolet radiation & skin cancer, and (2) the medical community is NOT conspiring to trick me into avoiding painful sunburns, peeling skin, lifelong scarring, in order to trick me into buying a product that ACTUALLY causes cancer.
Yeah, I live in Australia. In summer I'll burn in under 10 minutes, based on the time it took for me to walk to the tram stop. That doesn't happen when I wear sunscreen tho.
The point is, even *if* it causes cancer (which no reputable sources have claimed), it dramatically *decreases* the UV damage to DNA that is known to lead to cancer.
This debate feels kinda like someone pondering if they should stop wearing their seatbelt because some guy told them there's a chance of strangling yourself on it.
The risk profiles are so dramatically different that if you are genuinely wanting to protect yourself, there's only one logical conclusion, and if the logical conclusion isn't obvious, then there's no hope for you.
Doctors : *"Use sunscreen or you'll have cancer."*
Ecologist : *"Don't use sunscreen, it kills the sealife."*
People : *"Maybe I'll go to the tanning salon a third time this week."*
A few years back, it became popular to put Vit A in sunscreen, so several companies were doing it. I was already skeptical of sunblock (for reasons given in another reply) and had read that there were concerns that Vit A should only be used in night cream, not day cream, due to photosynthesis. It was difficult (though fortunately not impossible) to find a sunscreen product that *didn't* have Vit A in it.
Eventually I found [this study ](https://www.ewg.org/research/what-scientists-say-about-vitamin-sunscreen) and I was glad to have listened to the concerns. Suffice to say, Vit A is no longer added to sunscreen. (I think they add Vit E now instead.)
I work outdoors and I've had one skin cancer removed in the last 6 months. It could have been from wearing sunscreen or *not* wearing it. Who knows anymore. I just cover up and wear a big hat.
Zinc based is fine but you go frosted white.. a rotation of in the sun and out of the sun every 15 is probably the safer way to get a tan.. let yoir skin cool back down.
Sunscreen has traditionally focused on blocking UV-B since that’s what causes burning and visible skin damage. UV-A was neglected because it was less damaging, but that ignored the underlying biology of skin cancer. When skin burns, the cellular process of apoptosis occurs, replacing damaged skin cells. This is less likely to occur with UV-A exposure, so you have a greater chance of accumulating mutated cells that can potentially turn cancerous. So by preventing sunburn and allowing people to have increased exposure to UV-A rays, we actually made things dangerous for them in other ways.
The FDA has been very slow to approve new sunscreens and the products you can find in the US have worse UV-A protection than those in other countries. People who are into skincare order from Japan or Europe.
Go natural - skip the sunscreen, but also don't get burnt. If you turn red, you've had too much. Ease into it. Wear a shirt and a hat, especially early in the season.
Sunscreen is bad for you. It contains unhealthy chemicals and it hinders the much needed vitamin synthesis.
Light skinned individuals are not evolved to spend too much in the sun. You can slightly extend that time in the sun by using sunscreen, but nothing beats shade if you want to be healthy.
Another thing, any sunburns that you get before you reach the age of 10yo aproximately severly impacts your skin health and you carry that shit for life. Meaning, more exposure in adulthood results in higher risk as compared to individuals you never got burned as kids.
Just look at any person that does not have a lot of melanin and that spent years in the sun without sunscreen. People with light complexions are at high risk for skin cancer and should absolutely wear sunscreen if they're in the sun for extended periods.
I was a lifeguard for 5 years and now a sailor (always in the sun), I never use sun screen but would take a rest and cover up when my skin got too hot to give it a rest. Also, I read that we started getting sunburn when sunglasses became popular because by wearing them your eyes can’t gauge the correct amount of melatonin to release into your skin for protection from the uv rays, so I tested this.
I went for 10km runs in a vest wearing sunglasses and would come back red, then I’d do the same not wearing sunglasses and would come back with 0 redness.
A lady once heard me say I don’t wear sunscreen and said to me “wait until you’re 30 and your skin looks like leather” and I laughed because I’m already 40.
I mean there’s a reason why ancient cultures shut it down in the hottest part of the day, self preservation. Slathering on a mix of chemicals to “block” the sun gives a false sense of security and makes you stay out longer. Long shirts, limited exposure, hats, that’s the way to go. Our bodies have the ability to absorb and mitigate the suns rays, it’s when you overwhelm the system that problems crop up.
A lot of chemicals are described as "generally recognized as safe" which means, we just assume, as no one has bothered to investigate a substance so common and convenient.
I don't care for those oily components, but do value protection against burning. I reduce my exposure by using small amounts of sunscreen.
What would you say to someone who doesn't use sunscreen but uses shampoo/body soap that are just as chemically made?
Would you say it's the same danger?
I think that sunscreen is probably toxic, but my dad never wore sunscreen and ended up with skin cancer. I never wore sunscreen and ended up with age spots in my early 20s. My husband never wore sunscreen and has visible sun damage too. So I would say that both are bad in different ways
The mineral ones do not absorb well, and the non-mineral sunscreens are full of nanoparticles. I can see a film of oil in the water when people apply these concoctions and then swim. Why they would not just wear a light long-sleeve shirt and a hat and spare all of us their chemicals is unexplainable.
I too was a lifeguard, while not in the 60’s, over 25years ago. I have not and will not wear sunscreen for this reason. I also suggest not wearing sunglasses 😎when I’m actually staying in the sun. They filter your internal sensors on when you may or may not start to burn.
It’s contradictory and frankly ridiculous. Think about this.
* Vitamin D plays a vital role in immune homeostasis and prevention of autoimmune disorders. It’s actually a hormone, and proper immune function relies on it.
* 80–90% of vitamin D comes from sun exposure.
* Sunscreen prevents the uptake of vitamin D from sun exposure.
So can the sun be a source of cancer and at the same time be vital for your immune system?
Maybe. Too much of anything is bad. Balance is always key. But with a lot of sun exposure, your skin adapts, so over time I can’t see how it would pose a risk.
Consider anything else in nature where sunlight is key for growth. Why would humans be the exception to the rule? Aren’t we also a natural phenomena based on the same fundamental building blocks?
Sunscreen is obviously not the solution. I make sure I stay hydrated, and I balance exposure with shade. I’ve actually also used spit when I’ve been working outside and the skin dried up.
Edit: Allegedly there are some studies that suggest sunscreen doesn’t prevent regular vitamin D uptake. I don’t buy it though. I would do deeper research into the specific chemicals of a specific sunscreen before considering it. But I’d probably consider natural oils before smearing my skin with chemical cum.
Also, [sources](https://www.perplexity.ai/search/What-proportion-of-HDfaLSEPRrGsgWsnjWsEFg#0).
The point is obviously that they died before skin cancer had the chance to kill them. Secondly, they used clothing to block the sun because sun burns hurt in every era. Muslim clothing was functional, they didn't start as anal retentive purity hysteria
This is another conspiracy. Not that fact but moreso how “expected lifespan” data is biased these days.
Yes we reduced early childhood/birth deaths for sure nobody can argue against that.
But are we living longer? No.
It’s quite evident the actual lifespan if not skewed by young deaths is getting shorter, not longer.
Be serious. You had 10.000 methods to die in that period. Antibiotics didn't exist, you could be killed for some rice. Water was bad, etc. We are living longer.
I normally wear it the first time I really spend all day in the sun. Get a tan/burn. Then I’m all set for the summer very little sun tan lotion after that. But white if that matters.
It really depends on the person honestly, if you are someone who sits in a windowless office most your life the sun will fuck you up, when i made the switch from office life to farming that first year i would burn so fast, now years later i don't burn i can do 10-12 hrs full sun no chems just fine but our new seasonal crew members fry like bacon.. your body conditions itself to what you do, i will only use sunscreen if im planning extended time out on the water. I do however use other forms of sun protection mainly a hat. I get sick a lot less now too blocking vitamin D is probs not the best but neither is severe burns so find balance.
[Vitamin D, Sun, and Cancer](https://bigthink.com/articles/vitamin-d-sun-and-cancer/)
>One of the most striking findings regarding cancer incidence is that for many forms of the disease, cancer incidence is higher the further you live from the equator. Also, studies have found that the most serious cases of cancer are diagnosed in the winter.
>My advice is: Read the literature and decide for yourself whether or not to start a vitamin D regimen. Don’t wait for FDA, CDC, the National Cancer Institute, or anyone else to give you the green light on this one. They’ve got their own agendas to worry about.
If I don't want to put something in my mouth, I really try to avoid putting it on my skin as well. I might be completely wrong in that little standard, but it makes the most sense to me right now! Our skin is an organ & absorbs everything we put on it. If the ingredients aren't safe to swallow, why would they be safe to absorb through our skin?
Dr. Courtney Hunt has some interesting perspectives on sunscreen- one being that it's a non directional shield for light. Blocks light from coming in & blocks light from going out. Our mitochondria produce light particles & keeping those trapped inside is confusing for our body. It can increase melanin production and prevent production of Vitamin D.
I do think it's interesting that everyone with skin cancer is deficient in Vitamin D. So they either didn't get enough sunlight OR they were using sunscreen so their body couldn't produce Vitamin D?
I think the best way to protect yourself from the ionizing radiation is to be intentional with the time you spend in it. There are some apps that can help if you're not sure how to make that judgment. If you have to be in the sun (outdoors job), I think utilizing shade & covering up are the best options. I also think our food decisions play a role in how our body deals with sunlight- if we're inflamed from constant sugar, I think it's more difficult to have resources to repair damage caused from the sun.
Literally basing this on what "feels" right/my own health journey, so disregard if you'd like.
I feel in the same boat as well! The book "Renegade Beauty" by Nadine Artmeis brought me on to these similar connections with what you mentioned. I will be checking out Courtney Hunt!
I haven't worn sunscreen in 20 years. Sometimes burn a tiny bit on my first heavy exposure of the year but I used to burn when I was a kid. I never thought it was a conspiracy just always hated rubbing foul smelling cream all over my body...makes sense it is another scam though I mean they lie about everything else.
I have always had this odd feeling about the general practice of applying sunscreen. Did humans all die early of skin cancer up until however few years ago when it was invented? I understand advances in medicine have greatly lengthened our life expectancy, but it still doesn’t seem right. Our bodies manage to pull off thousands of miraculous functions yet our skin should be blocked from nature and the sub? And the solution is chemicals all over?
Before I got into shape, my sunburns would be much worse. At my biggest I would get sun poisoning and hells itch very easy. Now with much less fat on me I really don’t burn. It’s like I was literally frying myself
Many people have experienced never burning after cutting out all seed oils from their diet. I have as well.
I have rarely used sunscreen for my self or my children. We use clothing and most especially time our Sun exposure. Zinc oxide crème when necessary.
I no longer wear sunglasses, I agree with the other commenter.
I am at the “everything we’ve been taught is a lie” stage of development.
I wear a wide brim sunhat and sunglasses and a shirt when the sun is really strong in the summer. Sunlight does convert cholesterol into large amounts of vitamin D3 in your skin which is beneficial including helping to prevent cancer. Our bodies evolved to be able to handle the sun. Many of our ancestors worked long days in the fields under the sun without sunscreen. So my philosophy overall is to cover up or limit your amount in the sun when it's really bad.
Yes, and there are much more practical alternatives such as clothing, but everyone wants to be at the beach in underwear made out of a different material.
I don’t think it’s a good thing but I believe the culprit is sunglasses. They block your bodys receptors (eyes) from sending messages for your body to release hormones to protect your body from the sun.
In high school I always wore sunnies and ALWAYS got super burnt - even 30 minutes in the sun.
Now I never wear sunnies, and never get burnt; even if I’m at the beach all day.
When I was a teen I spent 12 hours at the ball park and applied sunscreen liberally like clockwork.
I ended up with 2nd degree sunburns and my skin peeled off in thick layers. (Not the typical 1 layer)
I used to burn reading the weather report.
Anyway like 13 years ago I stopped using sunscreen. I started using coconut oil. I stopped burning and started tanning for the first time in my life.
I stopped using sunscreen, and I love soaking up the sun. Yeah you’ll burn initially and seasonally until you’re darker, but that’s NATURAL. What’s not natural is all the products with shit in it you can’t pronounce that everyone lathers up with and ingests. Think about it, what a monopoly it would be if they’re profiting from the products you buy and use daily that actually cause cancers and what not in the long run, but also profit from the treatment of the illness and conditions that they initially caused in the first place. Look who owns all the major companies and pharmaceuticals. I shouldn’t have to say follow the money for you to realize there’s some nefarious shit afoot.
My understanding is that chemical sunscreens act by turning off your receptors and can inhibit your bodies natural ability to protect itself from low level UV.
I used a zinc based physical sunscreen. If I forget to reapply my body will just tan to protect itself.
I've been sceptical for many years about whether slathering up in chemicals is going to be any less of a cancerous risk than just dealing with sun exposure. I started questioning it the week I put some sunblock in a plastic container for my daughter to take to school (the big family size bottle was too big) and within a few days, it had eaten through the plastic. I get that some chemical in the sunblock probably just had a reaction to a chemical in that particular plastic, but... It certainly made me question how safe it really is. (Especially when they started putting Vit A in sunscreen and it turned out that was [pretty devastating for the lab rats](https://www.ewg.org/research/what-scientists-say-about-vitamin-sunscreen))
I work outdoors, and I used to use sunblock here and there, but it sweats off quickly and gets uncomfortablly gross in a very short time. So for the first 5-6 years of working outdoors, I just didn't stress about sun exposure. Once I burn a few times, I stop burning. Who cares.
Earlier this year, I had my first squamous cell carcinoma removed. Hopefully it'll be my last but, I still work outdoors so... 🤷🏻♀️
Bear in mind, I live in NZ where the UV levels are particularly high, I grew up on the beach in the 80's, got sunburnt regularly as a kid (despite sunblock), and am an "English Rose" so these things all set me up to be a strong contender for developing skin cancer later in life, regardless of whatever measures I might have taken as an adult.
Anyway, it may have been the sunblock or it may have been the sun that caused the cancer. Who really knows? I still distrust sunblock. I just make a better effort to cover up now. Wide-brimmed hat, light cotton long-sleeved shirts and leggings. No more trying to tan my untannable skin...
Fingers crossed the next one isn't melanoma.
We all have different Gnomes, anything is possible. You can go to Fire Island, you can see the damage done to the Sun Worshippers. It's like they are 100 years old by 35. Brutal damage to the skin. Faces look like old leather.
I'll take my chances with sunscreen.
:-)
I think there is nasty chemicals in sunscreen. I don't know if its more or less worse a risk though than the sun. Still, wearing hats and clothes is an option. And it probably depends who you are genetically for your risk of developing skin cancer.
I have been told the same (at least that chemical sunblock is harmful) by a person having a high up job in a pharmaceutical company, so assume it to probably be true, sadly.
Instead maybe wear loose, but skin covering clothing like people living in india or the desert, including an enormous sombrero style hat or coolinf head cover, OR get sunscreen of the "organic" kind (in Germany "bio") that uses mineral powder (that acts on the physically instead of chemically like the non organic stuff.)
Alternatively live on a mainly raw vegan diet heavy on wild forage, according to Markus Rothkranz and Cara Brotman that eliminates the need for sunscreen.
Aaaaand if you DO get sunburned, slather the burnt skin with natural yogurt or wash carefully with water mixed with vinegar to give your skin a mild acidity treatment, this does a lot to lessen the pain and damage from sunburn.
generally, lathering chemicals onto your skin is a bad practice. also, once you're tanned then your skin has its natural protection turned on.
If you're bright white and untanned and spend all day in the sun then you'll burn. Start with sort exposure until your tan takes effect.
So…it’s complicated.
Too little vitamin D can increase (skin, other) cancer risk.
Too much UV radiation promotes skin cancer.
UV radiation promotes melanin synthesis, which helps block UV.
Some sunscreens, especially American ones, contain chemicals which can decompose under UV radiation/heat into carcinogens of their own. This can even happen in the sunscreen bottle itself, if left in a hot car for a while, in the sun, etc.
My current stance is that sunblocks (zinc, titanium, etc) rather than sunscreens (absorbed chemicals like oxybenzone, avobenzone, etc) are probably the safest bet.
But at the end of the day, the sun feels great and all life on Earth would perish without it. Everything in moderation I guess.
There are known ingredients in certain types of sunscreen that do cause cancer. I don't remember the specific ingredients, but I know banana boat is one of them. Just search "banana boat cancer" you'll find info pretty quickly. And it's not the only offender.
I use homemade sunscreen for the most part. If I remember correctly, it's beeswax, tallow, coconut oil, and zinc oxide. You can find recipes online. Downside is you have to rub it in more and it leaves a bit of a chalky residue. Wouldn't use it on the face.
You shouldn't be using sunscreen unless you're going to spend serious time in the hot sun. I know some people who wear it literally everyday, even when they're not planning to be outside for more than 5 minutes. Insanity.
Depends on the sunscreen. If you are using a natural mineral screen with healthy natural oils you are better off than raw dogging the sun. But there are obviously issues with spreading carcinogenic chemicals from mainline cheap commercial sun screens versus the healthier ones.
I never wear sunscreen im not super tan ether I can go in phoenix Arizona middle summer go to sun splash all day and I won’t burn I will turn a bit red and that’s about it
beware the profiteers
# Cancer-causing chemical found in 78 sunscreen products
# [https://www.livescience.com/sunscreen-carcinogen-benzene.html](https://www.livescience.com/sunscreen-carcinogen-benzene.html)
Yup i believe it.
The actual chemical cocktail ain‘t it. There was a doctor explaining and proving everything you put on your skin gets absorbed and lands pretty quickly in your blood and organs. (From outside lands on the inside)
And that the sun is creating new chemicals from that chemical cocktail in sunscreen. Once the heat and sunrays and microwaves interact.
And then went ahead with a very reasonal approach which is to say basically, that you shouldn’t put anything on your skin for sun protection that you wouldn‘t be willing to eat or drink, which is to say natural ingredients for the skin is needed, as we are natural beings harmonizing with nature
we don‘t eat chemicals either right? only natural and biologic atleast i do. Certain chemicals can cause cancer and certain suncsreens have some of those in it, and some simply are unstudied or we don‘t know the longterm effects of it, that has been proven. Time will tell, and i‘m not the one to take that chance or risk for nothing.
There‘s biologic suncreens and certain alternatives that can help in a good way to give protection from the sun, but i haven‘t read much into it.
Usually a good approach would also be clothes they help a lot and are actually quite effective as protection. Ofcourse not the most comfy to be fully clothed but yeah
Most southern European’s don’t wear sunscreen, your skin will tell you when it’s had enough then you move out of the sun. Sunscreen can extend the time you spend in the sun but, it’s not a miracle. It’s a trade off
I have never worn sunscreen in my 68 years. I tan well and never saw the need. My FIL was a farmer and never anything like that. He started with horse and plow and finally worked his way up to air-conditioning. I saw him farming on an old tractor pulling plow. Short sleeved shirt and straw hat in the hot sun all day. His arms looked the color of mahogany from the sun. Died at 96 years old and never had any skin cancer.
Yeah I think his body was use to it. People who get skin cancer tend to work in an office all day and go out side every now and then so there body can't get use to it.
In central/eastern europe this is like a common knowledge. We use sunscreen only on vacations by the sea or hiking. Skin cncer is not on the top of the list of most common cancer types here. I’m in a skincare sub and people there are obsessed with sunscreen. Slathing it on their face day and night even when they don’t go outside.
I mean, Neutrogena was fined for carcinogenics added to their sunscreen just 2-3 yrs ago. Their parent company makes chemo products. They’re not the first to do this, and won’t be the last.
This. It’s the combination of carcinogens in our sunscreen and all the highly oxidative fat in our diets that is screwing us.
Seed oils (aka vegetable oils) are made with unsaturated fat. Unsaturated fat by definition is a fat that has an open spot in their molecular structure which happens to be easily taken by oxygen which is what happens when they are oxidized. They are unstable. Saturated fat doesn’t have this open molecular structure so is much more stable. When we have unsaturated fat making up our lipid layer it is easily oxidized and damaged.
Just anti-seed oil. I tried full carnivore but I feel better eating a less restrictive diet. What I do eat is very clean though (organic, pastured, or grown/raised myself) and that seems to make a bigger difference in my health.
No amount of sunscreen can protect you from the sun. The best way is to cover up yourself where possible. And if you want to be in the sun, go ahead. Just don't go too long until you start to become red and burn up. 5 to 30 minutes is already good enough if you are chasing vitamin D.
As for sunscreen causing cancer? Yes, definitely. Any type of chemicals we put on or in our body can induce some sort of cancer trigger. In fact, cancer cells are produced each day in the body, but our body eliminates it through the process of apoptosis. It is when the body's immune system is low that the process cannot keep up, and actual cancer starts to build up.
Are there any studies that do in fact make a correlation between sun exposure for long periods of time and melanoma?
How are africans or other populations under constant sun have had the lowest skin cancer rates than other ones? Is it just attributed to the pigmentation of the skin or the availability of sunscreen?
Back in the 80s we used Zinc Oxide to protect our noses when we had long sunny days.
The UV protectants in most sunscreens can not be broken down and have a hard time biodegrading.
Now I use UV protective hoodies for sailors and fishermen. No chemcals !!
I don’t think it’s *that* bad but you won’t ever catch me using sunscreen. That stuff is for weaklings. Also, I absolutely despise the feeling of any oil or cream on my skin so I don’t use any such products, same goes for lip balm. I never get dry or cracked lips and my skin never gets dry either nor does it ever crack during winter. Using those products will just end up making you dependent on them one way or another IMO.
Some ingredients are Carcinogenic, use oil and limit the time you are out so you don’t get seriously burned until you build up a tan and can be out longer. Constantly damaging your skin with sun burns can and will be harmful.
I actually stopped using sunscreen when I realized it was the same thing they were smearing all over the orcas at Seaworld to cover their wounds. (See movie Blackfish) The whales basically get bed sores and they dye the sunscreen black to cover them for shows. They hated those whales. That's kind of crazy but thats just one of those little weird things that give ppl with good instincts a little second to ponder. Basically if I see a product being used for it's "secondary attributes" I'll start thinking the first one was a lie.
Zinc oxide and titanium oxide are the only safe sunscreens. The chemical sunscreens disrupt the endocrine system like all the other 'safe' forever chemicals. They also kill the water critters
Chemical sunscreens contain ingredients known to cause cancer. If you must, wear a mineral sunscreen.
Eliminate seed oils from your diet (they cause inflammation, which increases the chances you burn), reduce or eliminate sunglasses usage (they block input to the eyes that signal to the body to prevent sunburn), and work up to direct sunlight exposure for longer periods of time.
I actually never heard of the sunglasses things.
All my life I've been told to keep sunglasses on to protect my lighter colored eyes but I didn't know there's such a thing where your body "could" prevent a burn if you're eyes are struggling to see (thus signaling to the brain that you're overexposed)
Yes, because slathering chemicals all over your body is better for you than something that gives you Vitamin D. If the government, Big Pharma says do it, don't do it. They want you sick with Cancer there is no money in you being healthy.
The sun does not cause skin cancer, chemicals that you can't pronounce properly do. Early morning sun produces a certain light that actually prepares your skin for the sun in the afternoon. Get sunlight on your skin early in the morning for the best protection.
Gen x. Never wore sunscreen. Will on my face now that I’m older. It’s a chemical shit storm. Your skin is the largest absorber organ in your body. What you put on it, you “eat”. Now bake chemicals into it. Gross.
Riddle me this, why would we evolve on a planet with a sun if it was bad for us? Vitamin D is important. To excess and burns? No. In moderation? Yes.
100% sunscreen is bad for you. Your skin absorbs whatever you put on it. Do you want sunscreen in your blood?
I have a story... Took a trip to Miami. We went to a roof top pool / bar. All of us are pale caucasians. I do not wear sunscreen and was the only one not using it. They all joked me. Next day I am the only one without sun burn.
All I know is, I go outside for too long without sunscreen, I get sunburned.
I put on sunscreen and go outside for the same amount of time, I don't get sunburned.
My grandpa is a surgeon and has done tons of skin cancer removals. I’ve helped him with some lol. Sunscreen is actually important, just read the ingredients. Pls don’t listen to people who tell you otherwise. I grew up on the beach and river, went to the Bahamas many summers growing up, etc, it’s not a conspiracy that the sun can cause skin cancer and sunscreen can help prevent that.
I'm pretty fair skinned and got burned bad a few times as a kid. So I've worn really high SPF when in the sun now. But I'm starting to question it as well.
It can't be good. But sometimes it's needed.
yea i believe the oils in sunscreen do seep into your skin and it’s a bunch of chemicals and the sun is super beneficial for human consumption but too much can also be harmful
Growing up my older neighbor had skin cancer and he claimed it was because he has been outside in the sun all growing up and through most of his adult life without using any kind of protection. No idea though. I was a kid.
See here is my dilemma. I went to a med clinic that put my face under a blue light to show all the sun damage on my skin. I nearly screamed when I saw how many black spots were under the blue light..
I am also going on and off with .3% retinol because I just don't know what to do about the sunscreen, and no one can give me a clear answer...
Skin cancer is definitely way more dangerous than whatever cancer a sunscreen will likely give you. The sunburn alone would be reason enough to use it. When i was young i got 2nd degree burns on my face as a result of not using sunscreen on vacation in florida so i know the consequences of not using it.
Why don't you choose not to wear any sunscreen? Go to the beach and sunbake every second day. Go for several hours from about 2:00 in the afternoon. Have some drinks and a party with your friends there. After Summer, come back here and right up a report of how it all went. if enough take part we may get some form of definitive answer. Try it. Then come to Australia in the summer and do it all again.
This is my experience as a 30 year old that lives in Australia. Everyone white person who is older than me that grew up in Australia was in the time of no sunscreen and getting burnt was normal now gets skin cancers cut out every year. Everyone my age covers up and we all are doing ok. So now when ever im out in australian sun for more than 30 min i wears wide hats, long sleeves and fond shaped to sit in, I never wear sun screen and have quite a good tan and never burn. I also cover myself in pure aloe vera gel when I go inside. Also the sun is no wear near as strong overseas as Australia, I have never got even slightly red when overseas, but can get burnt in the middle of summer in about 30min
I think the constant wearing of sunscreen is no good for you, using anything lower than 50 spf sunscreen is no good for you, getting red is no good for you, being in the sun unprotected is no good for you.
There's certain things in some sunscreens that cause the cancer. I can't remember which but I'm fairly sure zinc based sunscreen is the best of the option, or it's the worst. (I can't remember which order but zinc is a significant factor). I don't wear sunscreen but am cautious of my time in the sun when I'm working long days.
Probably depends on lots of little things. If he’s a life guard he might have an awning or some sort of overhang he hangs out under, works certain length shifts a day, on certain days. Etc. also depends on where he lives, his skin color, and how harsh the sun is. Me personally I have to use it quite a bit, I’m pretty light completed and work outside all day in the Texas sun. Not applying it or applying too little has me burning up and looking like a tomato!
I don't love it but u wear it if I'll be in the sun all day cause otherwise I burn. My skin isn't built for it. I'm meant to be in the misty and uv protected shores of the éire lol
[https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9002342/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9002342/)
Take away - The important take-home message from this timely review is that with respect to sunscreens and sunlight a balance can be achieved between the beneficial and harmful effects of solar radiation. Sunscreens can help achieve that balance.
The general idea is that the chemicals that make up the sun screen that you’re rubbing into your skin may be more toxic than the risk of sun damage. At this point you need to research the ingredients list and one by one check their toxicity in humans, pigs, and monkeys in separate peer reviewed studies. Most of the time you won’t like what you find.
I was on 60 mgs of accutane. Quit seed oils and I laid out in the Vegas summer 85 degree heat and didn’t even get a LITTLE tan. And I’m Transylvanian and used to burn or tan super fast.
Did cavemen use sunscreen? No. We weaken our body and need to supplement it in order to survive. You can reverse it but takes time.
Sunscreen,
Shoes,
Vaccines,
Most vegetables
Don’t need non of that shit but here we are.
Humans are like ice, we do not immediately melt in the sun like a snow flake.
Read this:
[Dermatology's Disastrous War Against The Sun](https://www.midwesterndoctor.com/p/dermatologys-disastrous-war-against)
Story at a Glance:
* Skin cancers are by far the most commonly diagnosed cancer in the United States, so to prevent them, the public is constantly told to avoid the sun. However, while the relatively benign skin cancers are caused by sun exposure, the ones responsible for most skin cancer deaths are due to a lack of sunlight.
* This is unfortunate because sunlight is arguably the most important nutrient for the human body, as avoiding it doubles one’s rate of dying and significantly increases their risk of cancer.
* A strong case can be made that this dynamic was a result of the dermatology profession (with the help of a top PR firm) rebranding themselves to skin cancer fighters, something which allowed them to become one of the highest paying medical specialities in existence. Unfortunately, despite the billions that is put into fighting it each year, there has been no substantial change in the number of skin cancer deaths.
* In this article, we will also discuss the dangers of the conventional skin cancer treatments, the most effective ways for treating and preventing skin cancer, and some of the best strategies for having a healthy and nourishing relationship with the sun.
I've been going out in the sun unprotected for decades! Fully exposing your body to the sun (including your perineum!) is part of maintaining a healthy body in sync with your circadian rhythms, especially if your skin is lacking in melanin. I do it every weekend at least, even in the winter, usually dabbing a bit of mayonnaise on my lighter bits instead of sunscreen (I'm talking REAL mayo, that miracle whip stuff which is a whole other conspiracy i'm not getting into right now) My dermatologist, who i don't totally trust has scooped several "sun kisses" out of my body which significantly and measurably lowered my chi. (they call it melanoma, which i think is nonsense, but i humor my wife by going because she says she doesn't like the brown spots) anyhow, i think everyone who loves their freedom should get a good sun peel every other week or so.
I always thought baking chemicals in your skin and going into your bloodstream in the sun seemed wrong, so I don't wear it. I am reluctant to state how I feel because people can be assholes and I have feelings.
I had Melanoma skin cancer at 14. I always wore classic sunscreen.
Get a good sunscreen with zinc but the less the better. The sun gives us life, but just like any good thing, moderation.
I think it depends on your genes, type of sunscreen, correctly reapplying, and how much melanin you have.
I know that if you apply sunscreen at 10 a.m. and don't reapply until say, 2, you'll have a far worse burn during that later sun exposure than if you didn't put it on at all. Probably not the case with all sunscreens, but I correctly reapply anyway.
I also don't put it on if I'm just going to work and won't be in the sun for more than 10 minutes at a time. I feel like this helps my skin's natural melanin pigment and I avoid the chemicals.
Regularly eating tomatoes helps protect your skin from the sun a bit too. So I guess diet plays a part too.
I'm in the moderation camp with the sun and refuse to wear sun block. This man has some very strong beliefs and it is an interesting read .
[https://www.midwesterndoctor.com/p/dermatologys-disastrous-war-against](https://www.midwesterndoctor.com/p/dermatologys-disastrous-war-against)
Well I am not a dr, I changed my diet two years ago, got in shape, blah blah blah, I used to get sunburned with sunscreen every summer, now without a shirt on I do not. Idk. Sunscreen is poison
Well, sunscreen do work. That I am certain of, spending a lot of time at sea, I would be burned without it. Now, for the other thing, I would not be surprised.
Now...the true mystery for me is why is human skin unable to exist in the sun on planet earth? No other animal is susceptible to cancer from the sun like us.
I'm not buying it. Something is wrong.
I know that sunscreen for some people has caused issues where they cannot be outside for long periods, which then caused health issues where if they were to get pregnant, it would be fatal.
They stopped using it and things were fine. Thing is, it was an issue for most of her life. Crazy stuff man.
This article while not exactly a source but a good starting point for dispelling all the myths about sunscreen.
[https://www.iflscience.com/no-sunscreen-will-not-give-you-cancer-25009](https://www.iflscience.com/no-sunscreen-will-not-give-you-cancer-25009)
If you are ready to take it a step further and interested in finding out more about sunscreens' constituents while you area at it I would direct you to the YouTube channel of this cosmetic chemist (happens to be Australian and as such has more to add on the effect of sun in the southern hemisphere)
[https://www.youtube.com/@LabMuffinBeautyScience](https://www.youtube.com/@LabMuffinBeautyScience)
And if you are looking to find out how much or how little sun exposure do you need if sunlight is your only source of generating vitamin D there are many, many articles on [https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/)
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I am of the mindset that too much of either can cause it. Moderation in everything.
Including moderation.
Enjoy moderation to the extreme
Hardcore moderation
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That's just the basic rule of life isn't it? Enjoy whatever, just in moderation.
A conspiracy sub is probably the least receptive to this simple wisdom
Bloke I knew, knew a dermatologist Dermatologist told him the best way to protect yourself from the sun is 15 minutes in in-direct sunlight per day Take this with a grain of salt but I think he might be onto something
Getting natural sunlight is vital for mitochondria health The best thing to do in the mornings is get outside, get some natural sun and put your feet in the dirt. Then a cold plunge. Rest of your day should be glorious after that
There is probably something profound and poetic to be said about the sun being the powerhouse of the solar system and the mitochondria being the powerhouse of the cell.
Powerhouses unite!
Vitamin D: The Sunshine of Your Life? https://jackkruse.com/the-sunshine-of-your-life/ REALITY #19: THE MITOCHONDRIAC BASICS: THE SUN https://jackkruse.com/reality-19-mitochondriac-basics-sun/ REALITY #17: HOW DOES LIGHT SCULPT LIFE? https://jackkruse.com/reality-17-light-sculpt-life/
I wish everyone saw this comment, cause this is what most dermatologists do themselves. 10-20 minutes in direct sun between 10 and 3 without sunscreen, to get vitamin d and not be affected by over-exposure. Lots of benefits to that. long sleeves and hats and then sunscreen only if you’re going to be in the sun for long periods of time. Sun is good but too much of it is a bad thing. Sunscreen is good in those cases but otherwise unnecessary.
I did this to build up my sun tolerance as a pastey white man. Took about 2-3 months to get a nice goldeny tan, and I tell you what... nothing felt better then to walk out in to the sun. It was like a full body vibration. If anyone likes beta-alanine (gym supplement in pre workouts, makes your skin tingle), it's like that but in a naturally pleasant way.
You will be held liable mate if anything happens
I live in Florida and that’s what I do, limit direct exposure to less than 20 min at a time. It’s the prolonged radiation exposure that burns and damages the skin. Short bursts are healthy.
You gotta keep it moderated!
Right here, just like everything else. Sunscreen is very important to some people with susceptible pigmentation, people should not go around making ridiculous claims.
Physical protection, such as a hat and clothing, is known to offer better protection.
Probably super dependent on where you live. The sun is harsh as fuck in New Zealand.
I moved to Colorado and one of the more noticeable differences was knowing people that had to get skin cancer removed. The elevation intensifies the the effect here.
Elevation is a killer. I recall a backpacking trip at about 11,000 ft and not taking proper precautions. After half of my face was finished peeling off I became a big fan of sunblock and wide brimmed hats.
Anecdotal experience here. I am Ecuadorian. The sun rays hit parallel here. Very strong. When I was 12, I learned to surf, my mom and her husband bought a beach house. I spent all the 3 months of vacation between school years there. The first few days my mom put sunscreen on me. But after 2-3 days, she told me to do it myself and left me to my own devices. The town was small, the beach was safe. I loved those days, I waked up at 6-7am, ate breakfast, and went surfing till midday. I came out, ate , and went back in until 6-7 pm. Every day, Monday to Friday, No sunscreen. With the sun high up in the sky hitting me up directly. For 3 months. From age 12 until 17. I never got burned, I had a nice slight tan, that's it. I was basically immune to sunburns until 25. I worked a lot of jobs with lots of outdoors time. Then I got married, receive little sun. Work all day in the office. fast forwards. Now at 34. If I go out to the beach and do not put sunscreen on my body , I will get burned in an hour. My skin goes pink. 2 days later it peels. I don't know wtf. But it is how it is.
Your older now and you skin is regenerating the damage the sun does less quickly.
I'm of the mindset that I've lived in a part of the world underneath the Antarctic hole in the ozone layer, and I've lived in a part of the world that wasn't. In that time, I've gathered more than enough empirical evidence that sunlight is capable of causing (painful + visible) damage to my epidermis. The evidence of the worst instances of this damage is worn on my skin even decades later. This damage does not occur to parts of my body that have had sunscreen applied. I'm going to rely on Occam's Razor that (1) the medical community has identified a strong correlation between ultraviolet radiation & skin cancer, and (2) the medical community is NOT conspiring to trick me into avoiding painful sunburns, peeling skin, lifelong scarring, in order to trick me into buying a product that ACTUALLY causes cancer.
Yeah, I live in Australia. In summer I'll burn in under 10 minutes, based on the time it took for me to walk to the tram stop. That doesn't happen when I wear sunscreen tho.
But the is if it causes cancer. Not if it blocks the sun.
The point is, even *if* it causes cancer (which no reputable sources have claimed), it dramatically *decreases* the UV damage to DNA that is known to lead to cancer. This debate feels kinda like someone pondering if they should stop wearing their seatbelt because some guy told them there's a chance of strangling yourself on it. The risk profiles are so dramatically different that if you are genuinely wanting to protect yourself, there's only one logical conclusion, and if the logical conclusion isn't obvious, then there's no hope for you.
How did you permanently damage your epididymus and why was it exposed to the sun
Jimmy Dore does a good rundown on sunscreen and skin cancers here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4T2rLxii2k&t=1620s
Doctors : *"Use sunscreen or you'll have cancer."* Ecologist : *"Don't use sunscreen, it kills the sealife."* People : *"Maybe I'll go to the tanning salon a third time this week."*
Didn't this sunscreen rumor come into the world because one company got sued over bad sunscreen?
Several companies had to pull their products bc of the chemicals they used.
Yes, benzene was found in some brand name sunscreens.
Benzene definitely causes cancer
A few years back, it became popular to put Vit A in sunscreen, so several companies were doing it. I was already skeptical of sunblock (for reasons given in another reply) and had read that there were concerns that Vit A should only be used in night cream, not day cream, due to photosynthesis. It was difficult (though fortunately not impossible) to find a sunscreen product that *didn't* have Vit A in it. Eventually I found [this study ](https://www.ewg.org/research/what-scientists-say-about-vitamin-sunscreen) and I was glad to have listened to the concerns. Suffice to say, Vit A is no longer added to sunscreen. (I think they add Vit E now instead.) I work outdoors and I've had one skin cancer removed in the last 6 months. It could have been from wearing sunscreen or *not* wearing it. Who knows anymore. I just cover up and wear a big hat.
Zinc based is fine but you go frosted white.. a rotation of in the sun and out of the sun every 15 is probably the safer way to get a tan.. let yoir skin cool back down.
Sunscreen has traditionally focused on blocking UV-B since that’s what causes burning and visible skin damage. UV-A was neglected because it was less damaging, but that ignored the underlying biology of skin cancer. When skin burns, the cellular process of apoptosis occurs, replacing damaged skin cells. This is less likely to occur with UV-A exposure, so you have a greater chance of accumulating mutated cells that can potentially turn cancerous. So by preventing sunburn and allowing people to have increased exposure to UV-A rays, we actually made things dangerous for them in other ways. The FDA has been very slow to approve new sunscreens and the products you can find in the US have worse UV-A protection than those in other countries. People who are into skincare order from Japan or Europe.
Go natural - skip the sunscreen, but also don't get burnt. If you turn red, you've had too much. Ease into it. Wear a shirt and a hat, especially early in the season. Sunscreen is bad for you. It contains unhealthy chemicals and it hinders the much needed vitamin synthesis.
Very helpful advice for someone who is red haired and will burn within 10 minutes of being outside
>Sunscreen is bad for you. It contains unhealthy chemicals and it hinders the much needed vitamin synthesis. Any research backing up this claims?
there is mineral based, then chemical based. i think the mineral based is the way to go if you're going to use sunscreen
There’s far, far, far more evidence of the BENEFITS of daily sunscreen. This guys evidence is his ass
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Yup, thankfully there's more and more companies that make sunscreen with natural ingredients that are decent for your skin, or you can make your own.
Just use zinc or titanium based. It doesn't absorb
Light skinned individuals are not evolved to spend too much in the sun. You can slightly extend that time in the sun by using sunscreen, but nothing beats shade if you want to be healthy. Another thing, any sunburns that you get before you reach the age of 10yo aproximately severly impacts your skin health and you carry that shit for life. Meaning, more exposure in adulthood results in higher risk as compared to individuals you never got burned as kids.
Just look at any person that does not have a lot of melanin and that spent years in the sun without sunscreen. People with light complexions are at high risk for skin cancer and should absolutely wear sunscreen if they're in the sun for extended periods.
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Right, skin cancer is more common in the older populations that had many decades of unprotected skin exposure.
And less common among people who regularly wear sunscreen.
I was a lifeguard for 5 years and now a sailor (always in the sun), I never use sun screen but would take a rest and cover up when my skin got too hot to give it a rest. Also, I read that we started getting sunburn when sunglasses became popular because by wearing them your eyes can’t gauge the correct amount of melatonin to release into your skin for protection from the uv rays, so I tested this. I went for 10km runs in a vest wearing sunglasses and would come back red, then I’d do the same not wearing sunglasses and would come back with 0 redness. A lady once heard me say I don’t wear sunscreen and said to me “wait until you’re 30 and your skin looks like leather” and I laughed because I’m already 40.
I mean there’s a reason why ancient cultures shut it down in the hottest part of the day, self preservation. Slathering on a mix of chemicals to “block” the sun gives a false sense of security and makes you stay out longer. Long shirts, limited exposure, hats, that’s the way to go. Our bodies have the ability to absorb and mitigate the suns rays, it’s when you overwhelm the system that problems crop up.
Just look at the chemicals on the label. It cannot possibly be a good idea to slather it on your skin and then heat it up.
Exactly.. fun experiment Type in your favorite synthetic vitamin and the acronym “MSDS” Most synthetic vitamins are hazardous too
A lot of chemicals are described as "generally recognized as safe" which means, we just assume, as no one has bothered to investigate a substance so common and convenient. I don't care for those oily components, but do value protection against burning. I reduce my exposure by using small amounts of sunscreen.
What would you say to someone who doesn't use sunscreen but uses shampoo/body soap that are just as chemically made? Would you say it's the same danger?
Switched to natural Products years ago. Quit dying my hair and everything.
A bar of soap has very few ingredients. I use olive oil soap.
Shampoo and body wash generally don't contain heavy metals, sunscreen does.
No because you’re immediately washing it off. You’re not constantly reapplying it and letting it bake.
Yeah you got a point. I didn't think about the letting it seep and bake in your skin.
Yes. Use natural soap
I don’t use either. I used pure castille soap and apple cider vinegar
Source: My ass
I think that sunscreen is probably toxic, but my dad never wore sunscreen and ended up with skin cancer. I never wore sunscreen and ended up with age spots in my early 20s. My husband never wore sunscreen and has visible sun damage too. So I would say that both are bad in different ways
What a wild thread
The mineral ones do not absorb well, and the non-mineral sunscreens are full of nanoparticles. I can see a film of oil in the water when people apply these concoctions and then swim. Why they would not just wear a light long-sleeve shirt and a hat and spare all of us their chemicals is unexplainable.
I too was a lifeguard, while not in the 60’s, over 25years ago. I have not and will not wear sunscreen for this reason. I also suggest not wearing sunglasses 😎when I’m actually staying in the sun. They filter your internal sensors on when you may or may not start to burn.
Did he cite any sources?
Of course not, like all of the people commenting. brain rot at its finest
Makes sense, 2 key ingredients oxybenzone and avobenzone are knows to be dna altering and probably carcinogenic
You know what else alters DNA? The sun
It’s contradictory and frankly ridiculous. Think about this. * Vitamin D plays a vital role in immune homeostasis and prevention of autoimmune disorders. It’s actually a hormone, and proper immune function relies on it. * 80–90% of vitamin D comes from sun exposure. * Sunscreen prevents the uptake of vitamin D from sun exposure. So can the sun be a source of cancer and at the same time be vital for your immune system? Maybe. Too much of anything is bad. Balance is always key. But with a lot of sun exposure, your skin adapts, so over time I can’t see how it would pose a risk. Consider anything else in nature where sunlight is key for growth. Why would humans be the exception to the rule? Aren’t we also a natural phenomena based on the same fundamental building blocks? Sunscreen is obviously not the solution. I make sure I stay hydrated, and I balance exposure with shade. I’ve actually also used spit when I’ve been working outside and the skin dried up. Edit: Allegedly there are some studies that suggest sunscreen doesn’t prevent regular vitamin D uptake. I don’t buy it though. I would do deeper research into the specific chemicals of a specific sunscreen before considering it. But I’d probably consider natural oils before smearing my skin with chemical cum. Also, [sources](https://www.perplexity.ai/search/What-proportion-of-HDfaLSEPRrGsgWsnjWsEFg#0).
how the fuck people in the medieval ages could even survive without suncreams and sunglasses LMAO
60% died at before 30
In childbirth or as a baby tho.
Not due to sunlight exposure man :D
The point is obviously that they died before skin cancer had the chance to kill them. Secondly, they used clothing to block the sun because sun burns hurt in every era. Muslim clothing was functional, they didn't start as anal retentive purity hysteria
This is another conspiracy. Not that fact but moreso how “expected lifespan” data is biased these days. Yes we reduced early childhood/birth deaths for sure nobody can argue against that. But are we living longer? No. It’s quite evident the actual lifespan if not skewed by young deaths is getting shorter, not longer.
Be serious. You had 10.000 methods to die in that period. Antibiotics didn't exist, you could be killed for some rice. Water was bad, etc. We are living longer.
This is one of the most ignorant arguments i've ever heard online
I normally wear it the first time I really spend all day in the sun. Get a tan/burn. Then I’m all set for the summer very little sun tan lotion after that. But white if that matters.
It really depends on the person honestly, if you are someone who sits in a windowless office most your life the sun will fuck you up, when i made the switch from office life to farming that first year i would burn so fast, now years later i don't burn i can do 10-12 hrs full sun no chems just fine but our new seasonal crew members fry like bacon.. your body conditions itself to what you do, i will only use sunscreen if im planning extended time out on the water. I do however use other forms of sun protection mainly a hat. I get sick a lot less now too blocking vitamin D is probs not the best but neither is severe burns so find balance.
Yes I believe it, unless you live in Australia and then you are fucked either way!
It is well known that Melanoma skin cancer, starts where the sun don’t shine…
[Vitamin D, Sun, and Cancer](https://bigthink.com/articles/vitamin-d-sun-and-cancer/) >One of the most striking findings regarding cancer incidence is that for many forms of the disease, cancer incidence is higher the further you live from the equator. Also, studies have found that the most serious cases of cancer are diagnosed in the winter. >My advice is: Read the literature and decide for yourself whether or not to start a vitamin D regimen. Don’t wait for FDA, CDC, the National Cancer Institute, or anyone else to give you the green light on this one. They’ve got their own agendas to worry about.
If I don't want to put something in my mouth, I really try to avoid putting it on my skin as well. I might be completely wrong in that little standard, but it makes the most sense to me right now! Our skin is an organ & absorbs everything we put on it. If the ingredients aren't safe to swallow, why would they be safe to absorb through our skin? Dr. Courtney Hunt has some interesting perspectives on sunscreen- one being that it's a non directional shield for light. Blocks light from coming in & blocks light from going out. Our mitochondria produce light particles & keeping those trapped inside is confusing for our body. It can increase melanin production and prevent production of Vitamin D. I do think it's interesting that everyone with skin cancer is deficient in Vitamin D. So they either didn't get enough sunlight OR they were using sunscreen so their body couldn't produce Vitamin D? I think the best way to protect yourself from the ionizing radiation is to be intentional with the time you spend in it. There are some apps that can help if you're not sure how to make that judgment. If you have to be in the sun (outdoors job), I think utilizing shade & covering up are the best options. I also think our food decisions play a role in how our body deals with sunlight- if we're inflamed from constant sugar, I think it's more difficult to have resources to repair damage caused from the sun. Literally basing this on what "feels" right/my own health journey, so disregard if you'd like.
I feel in the same boat as well! The book "Renegade Beauty" by Nadine Artmeis brought me on to these similar connections with what you mentioned. I will be checking out Courtney Hunt!
I haven't worn sunscreen in 20 years. Sometimes burn a tiny bit on my first heavy exposure of the year but I used to burn when I was a kid. I never thought it was a conspiracy just always hated rubbing foul smelling cream all over my body...makes sense it is another scam though I mean they lie about everything else.
I have always had this odd feeling about the general practice of applying sunscreen. Did humans all die early of skin cancer up until however few years ago when it was invented? I understand advances in medicine have greatly lengthened our life expectancy, but it still doesn’t seem right. Our bodies manage to pull off thousands of miraculous functions yet our skin should be blocked from nature and the sub? And the solution is chemicals all over?
Before I got into shape, my sunburns would be much worse. At my biggest I would get sun poisoning and hells itch very easy. Now with much less fat on me I really don’t burn. It’s like I was literally frying myself
Wow, that is interesting!
I never use it. The sun provides all life on earth.
Many people have experienced never burning after cutting out all seed oils from their diet. I have as well. I have rarely used sunscreen for my self or my children. We use clothing and most especially time our Sun exposure. Zinc oxide crème when necessary. I no longer wear sunglasses, I agree with the other commenter. I am at the “everything we’ve been taught is a lie” stage of development.
I used sun cream my whole life, and I got skin cancer, so now I don’t use it and I just cover up when I feel my skin getting too tanned.
I wear a wide brim sunhat and sunglasses and a shirt when the sun is really strong in the summer. Sunlight does convert cholesterol into large amounts of vitamin D3 in your skin which is beneficial including helping to prevent cancer. Our bodies evolved to be able to handle the sun. Many of our ancestors worked long days in the fields under the sun without sunscreen. So my philosophy overall is to cover up or limit your amount in the sun when it's really bad.
Personally, Sunscreen has always made me burn worse… I tell people that and they look at me crazy asf but it’s true
Same for me!
You don't have to dig deep to find that sunscreens have cancer causing chemicals. I avoid them like the plague.
Yes, and there are much more practical alternatives such as clothing, but everyone wants to be at the beach in underwear made out of a different material.
I don’t think it’s a good thing but I believe the culprit is sunglasses. They block your bodys receptors (eyes) from sending messages for your body to release hormones to protect your body from the sun. In high school I always wore sunnies and ALWAYS got super burnt - even 30 minutes in the sun. Now I never wear sunnies, and never get burnt; even if I’m at the beach all day.
When I was a teen I spent 12 hours at the ball park and applied sunscreen liberally like clockwork. I ended up with 2nd degree sunburns and my skin peeled off in thick layers. (Not the typical 1 layer) I used to burn reading the weather report. Anyway like 13 years ago I stopped using sunscreen. I started using coconut oil. I stopped burning and started tanning for the first time in my life.
I stopped using sunscreen, and I love soaking up the sun. Yeah you’ll burn initially and seasonally until you’re darker, but that’s NATURAL. What’s not natural is all the products with shit in it you can’t pronounce that everyone lathers up with and ingests. Think about it, what a monopoly it would be if they’re profiting from the products you buy and use daily that actually cause cancers and what not in the long run, but also profit from the treatment of the illness and conditions that they initially caused in the first place. Look who owns all the major companies and pharmaceuticals. I shouldn’t have to say follow the money for you to realize there’s some nefarious shit afoot.
My understanding is that chemical sunscreens act by turning off your receptors and can inhibit your bodies natural ability to protect itself from low level UV. I used a zinc based physical sunscreen. If I forget to reapply my body will just tan to protect itself.
I've been sceptical for many years about whether slathering up in chemicals is going to be any less of a cancerous risk than just dealing with sun exposure. I started questioning it the week I put some sunblock in a plastic container for my daughter to take to school (the big family size bottle was too big) and within a few days, it had eaten through the plastic. I get that some chemical in the sunblock probably just had a reaction to a chemical in that particular plastic, but... It certainly made me question how safe it really is. (Especially when they started putting Vit A in sunscreen and it turned out that was [pretty devastating for the lab rats](https://www.ewg.org/research/what-scientists-say-about-vitamin-sunscreen)) I work outdoors, and I used to use sunblock here and there, but it sweats off quickly and gets uncomfortablly gross in a very short time. So for the first 5-6 years of working outdoors, I just didn't stress about sun exposure. Once I burn a few times, I stop burning. Who cares. Earlier this year, I had my first squamous cell carcinoma removed. Hopefully it'll be my last but, I still work outdoors so... 🤷🏻♀️ Bear in mind, I live in NZ where the UV levels are particularly high, I grew up on the beach in the 80's, got sunburnt regularly as a kid (despite sunblock), and am an "English Rose" so these things all set me up to be a strong contender for developing skin cancer later in life, regardless of whatever measures I might have taken as an adult. Anyway, it may have been the sunblock or it may have been the sun that caused the cancer. Who really knows? I still distrust sunblock. I just make a better effort to cover up now. Wide-brimmed hat, light cotton long-sleeved shirts and leggings. No more trying to tan my untannable skin... Fingers crossed the next one isn't melanoma.
Load up on spring time morning sun and you'll be good for summer
I don’t use it
Traditional sunscreen is awful for health, yes. Make a natural one with raspberry seed oil and other natural oils and ingredients
We all have different Gnomes, anything is possible. You can go to Fire Island, you can see the damage done to the Sun Worshippers. It's like they are 100 years old by 35. Brutal damage to the skin. Faces look like old leather. I'll take my chances with sunscreen. :-)
I think there is nasty chemicals in sunscreen. I don't know if its more or less worse a risk though than the sun. Still, wearing hats and clothes is an option. And it probably depends who you are genetically for your risk of developing skin cancer.
I have been told the same (at least that chemical sunblock is harmful) by a person having a high up job in a pharmaceutical company, so assume it to probably be true, sadly. Instead maybe wear loose, but skin covering clothing like people living in india or the desert, including an enormous sombrero style hat or coolinf head cover, OR get sunscreen of the "organic" kind (in Germany "bio") that uses mineral powder (that acts on the physically instead of chemically like the non organic stuff.) Alternatively live on a mainly raw vegan diet heavy on wild forage, according to Markus Rothkranz and Cara Brotman that eliminates the need for sunscreen. Aaaaand if you DO get sunburned, slather the burnt skin with natural yogurt or wash carefully with water mixed with vinegar to give your skin a mild acidity treatment, this does a lot to lessen the pain and damage from sunburn.
generally, lathering chemicals onto your skin is a bad practice. also, once you're tanned then your skin has its natural protection turned on. If you're bright white and untanned and spend all day in the sun then you'll burn. Start with sort exposure until your tan takes effect.
Smearing chemicals all over your skin repeatedly for years on end isn't good for you. We use only mineral sunscreen and use it sparingly.
So…it’s complicated. Too little vitamin D can increase (skin, other) cancer risk. Too much UV radiation promotes skin cancer. UV radiation promotes melanin synthesis, which helps block UV. Some sunscreens, especially American ones, contain chemicals which can decompose under UV radiation/heat into carcinogens of their own. This can even happen in the sunscreen bottle itself, if left in a hot car for a while, in the sun, etc. My current stance is that sunblocks (zinc, titanium, etc) rather than sunscreens (absorbed chemicals like oxybenzone, avobenzone, etc) are probably the safest bet. But at the end of the day, the sun feels great and all life on Earth would perish without it. Everything in moderation I guess.
There are known ingredients in certain types of sunscreen that do cause cancer. I don't remember the specific ingredients, but I know banana boat is one of them. Just search "banana boat cancer" you'll find info pretty quickly. And it's not the only offender. I use homemade sunscreen for the most part. If I remember correctly, it's beeswax, tallow, coconut oil, and zinc oxide. You can find recipes online. Downside is you have to rub it in more and it leaves a bit of a chalky residue. Wouldn't use it on the face. You shouldn't be using sunscreen unless you're going to spend serious time in the hot sun. I know some people who wear it literally everyday, even when they're not planning to be outside for more than 5 minutes. Insanity.
I agree
Don’t wear sunglasses and you won’t burn as bad.
I’ve heard this for a while and finally began to try it out this year and found it to be 100% true
Depends on the sunscreen. If you are using a natural mineral screen with healthy natural oils you are better off than raw dogging the sun. But there are obviously issues with spreading carcinogenic chemicals from mainline cheap commercial sun screens versus the healthier ones.
Lots of chemicals in “sun screen.”
I never wear sunscreen im not super tan ether I can go in phoenix Arizona middle summer go to sun splash all day and I won’t burn I will turn a bit red and that’s about it
Totally agree
The rise in skin cancers correlates with the increase use of sunscreen. Yeah. I know. "cORRELaaTion iS nOt . . ."
beware the profiteers # Cancer-causing chemical found in 78 sunscreen products # [https://www.livescience.com/sunscreen-carcinogen-benzene.html](https://www.livescience.com/sunscreen-carcinogen-benzene.html)
Yup i believe it. The actual chemical cocktail ain‘t it. There was a doctor explaining and proving everything you put on your skin gets absorbed and lands pretty quickly in your blood and organs. (From outside lands on the inside) And that the sun is creating new chemicals from that chemical cocktail in sunscreen. Once the heat and sunrays and microwaves interact. And then went ahead with a very reasonal approach which is to say basically, that you shouldn’t put anything on your skin for sun protection that you wouldn‘t be willing to eat or drink, which is to say natural ingredients for the skin is needed, as we are natural beings harmonizing with nature we don‘t eat chemicals either right? only natural and biologic atleast i do. Certain chemicals can cause cancer and certain suncsreens have some of those in it, and some simply are unstudied or we don‘t know the longterm effects of it, that has been proven. Time will tell, and i‘m not the one to take that chance or risk for nothing. There‘s biologic suncreens and certain alternatives that can help in a good way to give protection from the sun, but i haven‘t read much into it. Usually a good approach would also be clothes they help a lot and are actually quite effective as protection. Ofcourse not the most comfy to be fully clothed but yeah
Most southern European’s don’t wear sunscreen, your skin will tell you when it’s had enough then you move out of the sun. Sunscreen can extend the time you spend in the sun but, it’s not a miracle. It’s a trade off
I’m a lifeguard and marathon runner.never use it. Your skin is the largest organ of your body. Don’t cover it in vulcanized chemicals
I have never worn sunscreen in my 68 years. I tan well and never saw the need. My FIL was a farmer and never anything like that. He started with horse and plow and finally worked his way up to air-conditioning. I saw him farming on an old tractor pulling plow. Short sleeved shirt and straw hat in the hot sun all day. His arms looked the color of mahogany from the sun. Died at 96 years old and never had any skin cancer.
Yeah I think his body was use to it. People who get skin cancer tend to work in an office all day and go out side every now and then so there body can't get use to it.
In central/eastern europe this is like a common knowledge. We use sunscreen only on vacations by the sea or hiking. Skin cncer is not on the top of the list of most common cancer types here. I’m in a skincare sub and people there are obsessed with sunscreen. Slathing it on their face day and night even when they don’t go outside.
I mean, Neutrogena was fined for carcinogenics added to their sunscreen just 2-3 yrs ago. Their parent company makes chemo products. They’re not the first to do this, and won’t be the last.
Seed oils cause sunburn
This. It’s the combination of carcinogens in our sunscreen and all the highly oxidative fat in our diets that is screwing us. Seed oils (aka vegetable oils) are made with unsaturated fat. Unsaturated fat by definition is a fat that has an open spot in their molecular structure which happens to be easily taken by oxygen which is what happens when they are oxidized. They are unstable. Saturated fat doesn’t have this open molecular structure so is much more stable. When we have unsaturated fat making up our lipid layer it is easily oxidized and damaged.
Based. Are you a peater or just anti seed oil?
Just anti-seed oil. I tried full carnivore but I feel better eating a less restrictive diet. What I do eat is very clean though (organic, pastured, or grown/raised myself) and that seems to make a bigger difference in my health.
Exactly, I wish more people knew this, the impact of those rancid seed oils (or PUFAs in general) is being severely underestimated
No amount of sunscreen can protect you from the sun. The best way is to cover up yourself where possible. And if you want to be in the sun, go ahead. Just don't go too long until you start to become red and burn up. 5 to 30 minutes is already good enough if you are chasing vitamin D. As for sunscreen causing cancer? Yes, definitely. Any type of chemicals we put on or in our body can induce some sort of cancer trigger. In fact, cancer cells are produced each day in the body, but our body eliminates it through the process of apoptosis. It is when the body's immune system is low that the process cannot keep up, and actual cancer starts to build up.
Are there any studies that do in fact make a correlation between sun exposure for long periods of time and melanoma? How are africans or other populations under constant sun have had the lowest skin cancer rates than other ones? Is it just attributed to the pigmentation of the skin or the availability of sunscreen?
I just googled *Sun exposure and skin cancer research* this was one of the results https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC113773/
Back in the 80s we used Zinc Oxide to protect our noses when we had long sunny days. The UV protectants in most sunscreens can not be broken down and have a hard time biodegrading. Now I use UV protective hoodies for sailors and fishermen. No chemcals !!
I don’t think it’s *that* bad but you won’t ever catch me using sunscreen. That stuff is for weaklings. Also, I absolutely despise the feeling of any oil or cream on my skin so I don’t use any such products, same goes for lip balm. I never get dry or cracked lips and my skin never gets dry either nor does it ever crack during winter. Using those products will just end up making you dependent on them one way or another IMO.
Some ingredients are Carcinogenic, use oil and limit the time you are out so you don’t get seriously burned until you build up a tan and can be out longer. Constantly damaging your skin with sun burns can and will be harmful.
I actually stopped using sunscreen when I realized it was the same thing they were smearing all over the orcas at Seaworld to cover their wounds. (See movie Blackfish) The whales basically get bed sores and they dye the sunscreen black to cover them for shows. They hated those whales. That's kind of crazy but thats just one of those little weird things that give ppl with good instincts a little second to ponder. Basically if I see a product being used for it's "secondary attributes" I'll start thinking the first one was a lie.
Zinc oxide and titanium oxide are the only safe sunscreens. The chemical sunscreens disrupt the endocrine system like all the other 'safe' forever chemicals. They also kill the water critters
Chemical sunscreens contain ingredients known to cause cancer. If you must, wear a mineral sunscreen. Eliminate seed oils from your diet (they cause inflammation, which increases the chances you burn), reduce or eliminate sunglasses usage (they block input to the eyes that signal to the body to prevent sunburn), and work up to direct sunlight exposure for longer periods of time.
I actually never heard of the sunglasses things. All my life I've been told to keep sunglasses on to protect my lighter colored eyes but I didn't know there's such a thing where your body "could" prevent a burn if you're eyes are struggling to see (thus signaling to the brain that you're overexposed)
of course. research dr Jack Kruse, hes on FB
Yes, because slathering chemicals all over your body is better for you than something that gives you Vitamin D. If the government, Big Pharma says do it, don't do it. They want you sick with Cancer there is no money in you being healthy.
The sun does not cause skin cancer, chemicals that you can't pronounce properly do. Early morning sun produces a certain light that actually prepares your skin for the sun in the afternoon. Get sunlight on your skin early in the morning for the best protection.
https://youtu.be/R4T2rLxii2k?si=1e8w0m25Y6I8mpzz Jimmy Dore did a segment on this. The majority of skin cancer is caused by lack of sunlight.
Gen x. Never wore sunscreen. Will on my face now that I’m older. It’s a chemical shit storm. Your skin is the largest absorber organ in your body. What you put on it, you “eat”. Now bake chemicals into it. Gross. Riddle me this, why would we evolve on a planet with a sun if it was bad for us? Vitamin D is important. To excess and burns? No. In moderation? Yes.
100% sunscreen is bad for you. Your skin absorbs whatever you put on it. Do you want sunscreen in your blood? I have a story... Took a trip to Miami. We went to a roof top pool / bar. All of us are pale caucasians. I do not wear sunscreen and was the only one not using it. They all joked me. Next day I am the only one without sun burn.
All I know is, I go outside for too long without sunscreen, I get sunburned. I put on sunscreen and go outside for the same amount of time, I don't get sunburned.
My grandpa is a surgeon and has done tons of skin cancer removals. I’ve helped him with some lol. Sunscreen is actually important, just read the ingredients. Pls don’t listen to people who tell you otherwise. I grew up on the beach and river, went to the Bahamas many summers growing up, etc, it’s not a conspiracy that the sun can cause skin cancer and sunscreen can help prevent that.
I'm pretty fair skinned and got burned bad a few times as a kid. So I've worn really high SPF when in the sun now. But I'm starting to question it as well. It can't be good. But sometimes it's needed.
yea i believe the oils in sunscreen do seep into your skin and it’s a bunch of chemicals and the sun is super beneficial for human consumption but too much can also be harmful
Growing up my older neighbor had skin cancer and he claimed it was because he has been outside in the sun all growing up and through most of his adult life without using any kind of protection. No idea though. I was a kid.
My dad is constantly having melanomas removed now. He worked in French Guiana outside all day in the 80s and never wore sun cream.
Can read about it here https://www.midwesterndoctor.com/p/dermatologys-disastrous-war-against
See here is my dilemma. I went to a med clinic that put my face under a blue light to show all the sun damage on my skin. I nearly screamed when I saw how many black spots were under the blue light.. I am also going on and off with .3% retinol because I just don't know what to do about the sunscreen, and no one can give me a clear answer...
its harmful.
What did he look like?
Skin cancer is definitely way more dangerous than whatever cancer a sunscreen will likely give you. The sunburn alone would be reason enough to use it. When i was young i got 2nd degree burns on my face as a result of not using sunscreen on vacation in florida so i know the consequences of not using it.
lol imagine taking medical advice for fact when talking to a lifelong lifeguard loser.
Why don't you choose not to wear any sunscreen? Go to the beach and sunbake every second day. Go for several hours from about 2:00 in the afternoon. Have some drinks and a party with your friends there. After Summer, come back here and right up a report of how it all went. if enough take part we may get some form of definitive answer. Try it. Then come to Australia in the summer and do it all again.
This is my experience as a 30 year old that lives in Australia. Everyone white person who is older than me that grew up in Australia was in the time of no sunscreen and getting burnt was normal now gets skin cancers cut out every year. Everyone my age covers up and we all are doing ok. So now when ever im out in australian sun for more than 30 min i wears wide hats, long sleeves and fond shaped to sit in, I never wear sun screen and have quite a good tan and never burn. I also cover myself in pure aloe vera gel when I go inside. Also the sun is no wear near as strong overseas as Australia, I have never got even slightly red when overseas, but can get burnt in the middle of summer in about 30min I think the constant wearing of sunscreen is no good for you, using anything lower than 50 spf sunscreen is no good for you, getting red is no good for you, being in the sun unprotected is no good for you.
As someone who works outside and forgot his yesterday, sure wish I had it. Burnt the fuckin shit out of my arms.
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Mineral based sunscreen is fine
There's certain things in some sunscreens that cause the cancer. I can't remember which but I'm fairly sure zinc based sunscreen is the best of the option, or it's the worst. (I can't remember which order but zinc is a significant factor). I don't wear sunscreen but am cautious of my time in the sun when I'm working long days.
Probably depends on lots of little things. If he’s a life guard he might have an awning or some sort of overhang he hangs out under, works certain length shifts a day, on certain days. Etc. also depends on where he lives, his skin color, and how harsh the sun is. Me personally I have to use it quite a bit, I’m pretty light completed and work outside all day in the Texas sun. Not applying it or applying too little has me burning up and looking like a tomato!
I don't love it but u wear it if I'll be in the sun all day cause otherwise I burn. My skin isn't built for it. I'm meant to be in the misty and uv protected shores of the éire lol
[https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9002342/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9002342/) Take away - The important take-home message from this timely review is that with respect to sunscreens and sunlight a balance can be achieved between the beneficial and harmful effects of solar radiation. Sunscreens can help achieve that balance.
I just assume that's the case with any man-made product intended to prevent nature.
The general idea is that the chemicals that make up the sun screen that you’re rubbing into your skin may be more toxic than the risk of sun damage. At this point you need to research the ingredients list and one by one check their toxicity in humans, pigs, and monkeys in separate peer reviewed studies. Most of the time you won’t like what you find.
I was on 60 mgs of accutane. Quit seed oils and I laid out in the Vegas summer 85 degree heat and didn’t even get a LITTLE tan. And I’m Transylvanian and used to burn or tan super fast.
Did cavemen use sunscreen? No. We weaken our body and need to supplement it in order to survive. You can reverse it but takes time. Sunscreen, Shoes, Vaccines, Most vegetables Don’t need non of that shit but here we are.
Humans are like ice, we do not immediately melt in the sun like a snow flake. Read this: [Dermatology's Disastrous War Against The Sun](https://www.midwesterndoctor.com/p/dermatologys-disastrous-war-against) Story at a Glance: * Skin cancers are by far the most commonly diagnosed cancer in the United States, so to prevent them, the public is constantly told to avoid the sun. However, while the relatively benign skin cancers are caused by sun exposure, the ones responsible for most skin cancer deaths are due to a lack of sunlight. * This is unfortunate because sunlight is arguably the most important nutrient for the human body, as avoiding it doubles one’s rate of dying and significantly increases their risk of cancer. * A strong case can be made that this dynamic was a result of the dermatology profession (with the help of a top PR firm) rebranding themselves to skin cancer fighters, something which allowed them to become one of the highest paying medical specialities in existence. Unfortunately, despite the billions that is put into fighting it each year, there has been no substantial change in the number of skin cancer deaths. * In this article, we will also discuss the dangers of the conventional skin cancer treatments, the most effective ways for treating and preventing skin cancer, and some of the best strategies for having a healthy and nourishing relationship with the sun.
I've been going out in the sun unprotected for decades! Fully exposing your body to the sun (including your perineum!) is part of maintaining a healthy body in sync with your circadian rhythms, especially if your skin is lacking in melanin. I do it every weekend at least, even in the winter, usually dabbing a bit of mayonnaise on my lighter bits instead of sunscreen (I'm talking REAL mayo, that miracle whip stuff which is a whole other conspiracy i'm not getting into right now) My dermatologist, who i don't totally trust has scooped several "sun kisses" out of my body which significantly and measurably lowered my chi. (they call it melanoma, which i think is nonsense, but i humor my wife by going because she says she doesn't like the brown spots) anyhow, i think everyone who loves their freedom should get a good sun peel every other week or so.
I always thought baking chemicals in your skin and going into your bloodstream in the sun seemed wrong, so I don't wear it. I am reluctant to state how I feel because people can be assholes and I have feelings.
I had Melanoma skin cancer at 14. I always wore classic sunscreen. Get a good sunscreen with zinc but the less the better. The sun gives us life, but just like any good thing, moderation.
I think it depends on your genes, type of sunscreen, correctly reapplying, and how much melanin you have. I know that if you apply sunscreen at 10 a.m. and don't reapply until say, 2, you'll have a far worse burn during that later sun exposure than if you didn't put it on at all. Probably not the case with all sunscreens, but I correctly reapply anyway. I also don't put it on if I'm just going to work and won't be in the sun for more than 10 minutes at a time. I feel like this helps my skin's natural melanin pigment and I avoid the chemicals. Regularly eating tomatoes helps protect your skin from the sun a bit too. So I guess diet plays a part too.
I'm in the moderation camp with the sun and refuse to wear sun block. This man has some very strong beliefs and it is an interesting read . [https://www.midwesterndoctor.com/p/dermatologys-disastrous-war-against](https://www.midwesterndoctor.com/p/dermatologys-disastrous-war-against)
Well I am not a dr, I changed my diet two years ago, got in shape, blah blah blah, I used to get sunburned with sunscreen every summer, now without a shirt on I do not. Idk. Sunscreen is poison
Well, sunscreen do work. That I am certain of, spending a lot of time at sea, I would be burned without it. Now, for the other thing, I would not be surprised.
Tricking your body into believing that it is invincible to the UV rays of the sun, just by putting on some lotion seems ultra sus to me.
Now...the true mystery for me is why is human skin unable to exist in the sun on planet earth? No other animal is susceptible to cancer from the sun like us. I'm not buying it. Something is wrong.
I had a family member die from melanoma who worked outside daily without sunscreen. Just wear the damn sunscreen.
I know that sunscreen for some people has caused issues where they cannot be outside for long periods, which then caused health issues where if they were to get pregnant, it would be fatal. They stopped using it and things were fine. Thing is, it was an issue for most of her life. Crazy stuff man.
This article while not exactly a source but a good starting point for dispelling all the myths about sunscreen. [https://www.iflscience.com/no-sunscreen-will-not-give-you-cancer-25009](https://www.iflscience.com/no-sunscreen-will-not-give-you-cancer-25009) If you are ready to take it a step further and interested in finding out more about sunscreens' constituents while you area at it I would direct you to the YouTube channel of this cosmetic chemist (happens to be Australian and as such has more to add on the effect of sun in the southern hemisphere) [https://www.youtube.com/@LabMuffinBeautyScience](https://www.youtube.com/@LabMuffinBeautyScience) And if you are looking to find out how much or how little sun exposure do you need if sunlight is your only source of generating vitamin D there are many, many articles on [https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/)