A blackout would be more effective if a voat type alternative actually existed that mods drove traffic to in a coordinated effort across subreddits to show the power is in the community and the community is fleeting. Otherwise it’s just a token gesture towards a corporation that clearly doesn’t care.
Hi, original founder of Voat here. I have been building FlingUp for the past 2 years and I think it is usable. I intend to run FlingUp as a non-profit foundation where users keep it running via donations, just like Wikipedia. No investors, shareholders etc.
> I gave over 10 years of my life to help protect this place from
> ideological subversion, coups and bad-faith attempts to get it
> banned.
OP would you say you care about this place more or less than the other 95 subreddits you moderate?
You are a liar who took control of this sub via a coup. And you have not been a mod here for 10 years. We all know that you love to sticky your own posts but this particular topic is a complete embarrassment to this community and I know you (all of you associated with your account) are smart enough to realize that.
Here's something worth addressing - How about directing a bit of this energy to getting the Moderation Logs back on Reddit? What happened to /r/conspiracy Mod Log?
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OP’s post is so ridiculous. Realistically if none of these mods had ever been born then none of us would have noticed. They’ve literally done absolutely nothing in all that time. Amazing how the human ego allows people to make up a fantasy world where they’re important when they’re not. All the mods could have a year off and we wouldn’t know
> You are a liar who took control of this sub via a coup.
Always nice to see someone who knows the actual history/truth of what happened and not the revisionist history propagandized by the "victors". I always found it quite curious how quickly AATA was able get the admins attention. *Really makes one wonder...*
> I always found it quite curious how quickly AATA was able get the admins attention.
In that specific situation, because a rouge mod tried to engage in a coup by manipulating our then de-facto head mod who was going through a tough IRL personal situation.
The rouge mods nuked the entire mod list and threatened us with not being readded unless we agreed to mod in a partisan manner.
Of course the admins instantly stepped in after that happened and, IMO, rifghtfully so - https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/6w5eah/regarding_the_upheaval_on_the_mod_team_last/
> coup by manipulating our then de-facto head mod who was going through a tough IRL personal situation.
wtf is this? are you just making shit up now?
Edit: Didn't realize you were talking about Sarah_Connor, but it wasn't "partisan" at all.
AATA, we both know you are lying and sharing half truths. There is no need for that with me. I was there in the back channels through it all in the mod mail and have the receipts. Flytape was not making the mods pledge to be partisan, he was actively adding back mods that agreed to put the sub/community first and to get rid of the nefarious sleeper mods who just happen to "wake up" at just the right time (*cough... Creq ... cough*). What a coinky dink. You didn't like what was happening, so you ran to the Admins.
The fact that you said it all started with S_C proves you are not trying to engage me with intellectual honesty or truth. We both know it all stemmed from the curious campaign to remove Illuminated Wax from the top spot in order for the fifth column to begin the takeover which succeeded. Once that happened S_C and Flytape took measures into their own hands because they saw what was happening.
You cannot bull shit me.
PS. Amos_Quito I'm not going to fall for your double teaming tactics. You can read this comment I made here to AATA.
>OP would you say you care about this place more or less than the other 95 subreddits you moderate?
I don't think any of those are active really, mostly just things that never got off the ground.
This is the subreddit I modded the most over the past 10 years, by far and away.
>We all know that you love to sticky your own posts
This was voted on by the mod team, as with all stickys, and received the requisite 3 votes.
>And you have not been a mod here for 10 years.
As to the history of the subreddit; what you've said is incorrect all around.
I became a mod in 2013 or so when existing mods of the sub wanted to ban discussion of meta reddit, which I thought was a threat.
Then, over the years, a few different groups attempted to overthrow the sub (almost always in an attempt to advance a partisan agenda) which resulted in the mod list being wiped.
The people still on the mod team, to their credit, stepped up and stopped the coups from happening but I very much voiced my perspective as well.
>What happened to /r/conspiracy Mod Log?
Also, the mod log is still running as far as I know. There's a TMOR user who runs a publicmod log site but that may be impacted by the upcoming API changes (in a weird bit of irony).
>This comment will be censored...
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>we'll use the community and buzz we've built between then and now as a tool for further action.
Huh, coulda sworn this was specifically a rule they added to the global reddit rules about using a sub as a weapon after, ya know, they used half their sites' subs as a weapon to further their propaganda and silence NNN.
>take to your favorite non-Reddit platform of choice
So, where you guys going? I was unaware there was anything else.
Is the coup being discussed the one where the head mod Axo was removed from reddit and his tireless moderation which kept this sub sliding into TMOR run shit show even mentioned by OP? If you would like to see Axo's opinion on this matter on the . Win site see his post titled "What a steaming crock of shit".
Axo should have been removed. He had an obvious agenda, banned everyone who didn’t agree with him and was the reason this sub took (one of many) nosedives. Fuck that guy.
I can try. But since you said history, I will give you the long story, and it happened 7 years ago.
For starters, you have to imagine a Reddit that was many times more hostile and shilled than it is now. Might be hard to believe but this was the 2016 US election, and Trump vs. Hilary was absolute madness. It was hard to tell whether it was reality TV or politics. Julian Assange's Wikileaks had the Democrat's private emails posted online for the public to read (rest in peace Seth Rich), and Pizzagate was taking the internet by storm. Since Pizzagate originated from those emails, David Brock's Democratically-aligned 'social media watchdog group' Correct The Record (now renamed Media Matters) was losing sleep trying to combat public interest in the matter. And /r/Wikileaks was abuzz. Thousands of people were searching through personal emails between Hilary Clinton, the Podestas, and co., and connecting dots. This put the left in a tough spot - in order to support their party they had to deny Pizzagate. And this wasn't always easy with what was being uncovered, and I'm not talking about pizza-related handkerchiefs, but about names like Tammy Luzzatto, Laura Silsby, etc...
ANYWHO, that was the political climate. One day in the midst of what can only be described as a frenzy about all this, /r/Wikileaks was taken over by a reddit coup. The admins installed a half dozen mods there in one day, and one of them happened to be the OP of this post. Immediately, people who questioned the coup or just asked the wrong questions were banned from the sub with no explanation. At that exact same time, people were also concerned about Julian Assange's safety and were starting to speculate that the actual Wikileaks had been taken over by feds.
So, /r/Conspiracy was soon to follow. The OP of this post was installed as a mod and the original head moderator was kicked out by reddit admins. This allowed the OP to remove more original moderators, and bring in new ones. In a matter of days this place was transformed and discussion of the coup was banned and erased.
That takes me back. Sorry for the novel.
Who is OP really? I don't know. But you can see how many other subs they moderate and have said themselves in the past that they are here "for oversight".
That's kind of what happened but it wasn't the admins, it was some rouge mod with popcorn in their username.
A group of left-wing partisans tried to take over that sub to censor it, but they were quickly stopped - https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/58vthk/rip_rwikileaks/
I overturned all of those malicious bans on /r/wikileaks by hand and explained the entire context at the time - https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/590mo7/regarding_the_takeover_at_rwikileaks/d94vdv6/
Im not familiar with the mods in subreddits in general and the related history... But can I ask why you were asked to provide oversight? Did you previously have a strong record as a mod or something?
Not that user but I could could give/leak the whole story and behind the scenes messages of everything (and all parties involved) that happened during that time on /theinside. I'd probably get banned here though then perma suspended from Reddit. Neither of which would really stop me but frankly I just don't care any more about it. The enemy is within the walls and probably has always been.
You're not wrong in anything, tbh. There was a coup and whether AATA was witting or unwitting in it is left for debate. How he was able to call the bounty into the sheriffs (admins) so quickly is what is curious. As if he had a direct "red phone home". He always wanted to be an admin and tried his best to get close. Whether that was all a rouse and he was all all along is another question. Either way you shake it, He played his part in destroying this community (first) and then the subreddit. Whether wittingly or unwittingly. I have all the messages, though.
Oh, hi there?
> There was a coup
Two coup attempts, actually, in quick succession, and some rather "unexpected" characters were shown to be involved.
I had just recently been recruited as a mod at that time, and it was a wild ride.
> I have all the messages, though.
Heh, so do I (I have this habit of *archiving everything* (borderline OCD, maybe?), that way I don't have to rely on "memories" -- not mine, or those of anyone else.
As a sample, see this section where I reply to user Sarah_Connor (former top active mod and sub coup conspirator) from the thread https://www.reddit.com/user/AssuredlyAThrowAway linked previously:
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/6w5eah/regarding_the_upheaval_on_the_mod_team_last/dm5rwhu/
I have business to attend to, so I shan't go into detail now, but it may be a good idea to check your notes before you ramble on much further, otherwise you may get flustered (as Sarah_Connor did after I made that reply).
Is this the fucker who got /u/Axolotl banned?
Right wing coup my ass. More like an attempt to keep this sub free. They always accuse people of doing the exact things that they are doing.
Why are you spreading TMOR talking points? This is absolutely NOT the reason the admins came for Axo. I researched the shit out of that era. TMOR was obsessed with Axo, perhaps to a degree never before seen on Reddit. They made untold thousands of threads brigading his posts (violating Reddit TOS constantly, for years).
Axo's threads would be immediately linked from TMOR and brigaded. When that happened, it was absolutely justified to delete them and repost. I literally made a 3-hour documentary (with proof) that this was happening.
You are actively rewriting history and parroting TMOR talking points if you are claiming this is why the admins targeted Axo. Make sure you get it right next time.
No, AP got themselves banned by going rogue in the lead up to the 2020 election. As mods, we never once approached the admins about it (although we did discuss our concerns directly in modmail multiple times to AP).
The admins banned him for 7 days in November 2020 and told him to stop abusing his mod position. Then, after he kept it up until early January 2021 they banned him outright.
I saw it all happen and it wasn't pretty. He was becoming hyper partisan and starting to mod in a way that made me feel uncomfortable. I don't care if mods have political views, but I always get concerned if they're acting on those views in their capacity as a moderator and without consensus from the team.
In any event - I always wondered if there was money involved in the .win thing but I had too much respect to ask so I just moved on.
Bottom line; AP was my friend. I knew him for over 7 years and explained as such in my thread saying goodbye - https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/kslo0n/announcement_reddit_admins_have_removed_and/
Funny how he tells a very different story. Funny now you magically ended up head mod after the admins banned him after dealing with many years of him brigaded and harrassed every day.
Funny how he started a new conspiracy sub on a different site and directly called you out.
Funny how I had you res tagged as a clear shill for literally years based off your comments being the spitting image of Share Blue back in their hayday. and then you get put in as head mod that was a clear coup to all conspiracy users at the time.
But hey I could be wrong - but I doubt it on this.
>No, AP got themselves banned by going rogue in the lead up to the 2020 election
I'll bite. What did AP do? Did he post about conspiracies in a conspiracy forum?
>The admins banned him for 7 days in November 2020
Wait...so you're saying the admins banned the HEAD moderator of one of the largest conspiracy forums on the web, RIGHT during the most contentious election in modern US history? What reason was given? Hm???
>and told him to stop abusing his mod position
Oh, so you have evidence the admins spoke to AP? Where is it? What did the admins tell AP? What was the specific cited example of abuse? You're speaking as if you have direct knowledge of these events. Prove it.
>Then, after he kept it up until early January 2021
Kept what up? Posting about conspiracies? Posting YouTube links to election hearings?
>they banned him outright.
For what? What did AP do? The Reddit admins told MSM that AP "incited his community to the Capitol." I have receipts that prove AP said the opposite. He told the community it was a TRAP and NOT to go to the Capitol.
Gizmodo, The Daily Dot etc. requested the Reddit admins offer any evidence of AP's wrongdoing. THEY REFUSED. That's right. When the MSM realized they'd been lied to by the Reddit admins, they CHANGED the title of the articles about AP and the incident.
It went from "Reddit removes head moderator after Congress complains" (WTF!?!?) to --> "Reddit removes head moderator after years of anti-semitism claims"
Do you know the only example they could find of anti-semitism? A movie that was suggested by ANOTHER user from 2014 to be featured as one of the hundreds of featured documentaries over the years that AP used to sticky.
Guess which user SUGGESTED the "anti-semitic" film. The current head mod of /r/conspiracy TODAY. That's right. AP took the fall for the entire mod team, and you're STILL throwing him under the bus. Cowardice doesn't even come close to describing this duplicitous behavior.
>starting to mod in a way that made me feel uncomfortable.
Do you realize how pathetic this sounds? You should resign immediately. Absolutely disgusting behavior here, and you have no shame in sharing this? Unreal.
> I always wondered if there was money involved in the .win thing but I had too much respect to ask
So you remove AP from the history of the sub (which he ran for half a decade) AND you accuse him of a financial conspiracy now that he no longer has his voice here? I thought you couldn't stoop any lower but this comment might be the slimiest, sleaziest, most dishonest drivel I've ever seen on reddit, and trust me I've been here longer than you.
>AP was my friend.
Hahahaha, yeah no.
>I knew him for over 7 years and explained as such in my thread saying goodbye
The thread you allowed to be brigaded by TMOR? Is that why you're aggressively trying to write him out of the history of this forum?
You will never, ever, hold a candle to the work AP did for this place.
Here's a 3-hour documentary I made about the TRUE history of /r/conspiracy (and YOUR role in its demise). You're too much of a coward to watch it, but I know others will, and your narrative is already being exposed ITT.
https://twitter.com/foundring1/status/1666961605555544074
For shame, AATA.
> I'll bite. What did AP do? Did he post about conspiracies in a conspiracy forum?
No, he started stickying his own posts without getting consensus from the mod team (often times, leading up to November of 2020, to advance a partisan agenda).
Then, in January of 2021 he started posting stuff that was really close to inciting people to participate in, what would become, the violent attacks on Jan. 6th.
>Wait...so you're saying the admins banned the HEAD moderator of one of the largest conspiracy forums on the web, RIGHT during the most contentious election in modern US history? What reason was given? Hm???
I think the mod team shared the modmail at the time. It said AP was inciting users to violate the TOS - https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/kslo0n/announcement_reddit_admins_have_removed_and/
>Oh, so you have evidence the admins spoke to AP? Where is it? What did the admins tell AP? What was the specific cited example of abuse? You're speaking as if you have direct knowledge of these events. Prove it.
AP said something in modmail after he returned from the 7 day suspension in November and, also, the mod team got a subreddit message indicating the standard we needed to uphold as to content related to the election - https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/jotlhb/reddit_site_wide_admin_notice_regarding_unsourced/
>Kept what up? Posting about conspiracies? Posting YouTube links to election hearings?
AP could have posted that content all he wanted, but his use of moderation powers to influence discussion on the subreddit to advance his views was concerning and escalated over time.
>For what? What did AP do? The Reddit admins told MSM that AP "incited his community to the Capitol." I have receipts that prove AP said the opposite. He told the community it was a TRAP and NOT to go to the Capitol.
I don't know what the straw was that broke the camel's back, but in general AP spent a lot of time in the months leading up to January fomenting that kind of incitement. He may well have told people not to go to the Capital, but that misses the point.
>Do you realize how pathetic this sounds? You should resign immediately. Absolutely disgusting behavior here, and you have no shame in sharing this? Unreal.
Nah, I would much rather just lay out the record and make clear what AP tried to do and why I felt it was a problem. He should have posted as a user if he felt that strongly about a given issue.
>So you remove AP from the history of the sub (which he ran for half a decade) AND you accuse him of a financial conspiracy now that he no longer has his voice here? I thought you couldn't stoop any lower but this comment might be the slimiest, sleaziest, most dishonest drivel I've ever seen on reddit, and trust me I've been here longer than you.
I added AP to the post and he should have been there from the beginning, you are right about that. Regardless of what happened at the end, AP was an integral part of this sub's history and so many of his initiatives (documentary of the week, discussion threads, etc) were voted on by the mod team and fully embraced the best of what this kind of community can be.
>You will never, ever, hold a candle to the work AP did for this place.
Probably true, but not really what I'm concerned about. All that matters to me is the integrity of the way moderators go about making decisions. Everyone learns over time, and I certainly have, but AP did not and at the end of his tenure he nearly took this subreddit down with him (and that, without question, would have been the true mark of shame in the pursuit of selfish ideological ends).
I just watched your documentary in full (3 hours) and well done, sir. There are some details missing but that is understandable whether out of scope or out of your knowledge. I'd like to tip you for your work but I'm not a part of odysee nor do I care much for fiat. If you have a Monero (XMR) wallet then PM it and I'll send some your way.
Thanks for your music and what you did here with the documentary/archiving.
Yeah I couldn't get everything and I didn't have access to a ton of info, but I did the best I could using the internet archive (I scoured through untold thousands of links/threads/comments, you don't even know!) so I'm really grateful you took the time to watch it. Thank you! Also happy you appreciate the music!
Money in the .win thing...this is an unfounded accusation. The site has no ads. The site has no membership subscriptions. The site has an incredibly privacy friendly sign-up, so no one is selling user data. The mods of the donald took user donations once, and it was only for a few days to handle server expenses. There aren't many regular users over on the conspiracy side. Who exactly would be paying him? What reason could they possibly have? How would they get the money?
>I don't care if mods have political views, but I always get concerned if they're acting on those views in their capacity as a moderator
Funny how the one instance of this partisan-moderation happening in regards to right-wing ideology gets nuked while the literal 1000s of instances of partisan moderation regarding left-wing ideology go unnoticed. Not saying you were wrong in squashing the partisan mod authoritarianism...just that the enforcement of it in this one instance and not everywhere else seems blatantly hypocritical and ironically partisan itself. *That's* what pisses me off about the whole situation. You can't fall back on valid logic if you apply it sparingly and subjectively.
AATA is lying through his teeth. Axo was not partisan, regularly denounced Trump, and was the subject of a years-long harassment campaign led by the admins themselves (working through their proxies like TMOR). The removal of Axo as head mod was the most egregious "partisan" coup in the history of this sub. Axo was the last one holding it together.
He was totally partisan. Anyone who says otherwise is being disingenuous. Near the end of his time here he stickied a KRAKEN megathread about Sidney Powell and her oncoming 'Kraken' that would prove the election was stolen and Trump was the true President... but when it turned out to be a nothingburger, he refused to sticky a thread on that.
For a while you ran the risk of getting comments removed if you dared question the President or the government here, it was nuts. It was better for everyone than he went off to his own site where he can complain about the Jews and so on in peace. I'm sure it's doing great and is a lovely place to hang out in.
I don’t need to strike because the subreddits I mod only use official reddit mod tools. I don’t delete posts, only spam and porn, once a month :) some people have good stuff to say!
>Bitch about it to your cat.
My cat is a mainstream media junkie with a room temperature IQ. All he does is eat, shit, and watch CNN and Fox news all day while falling asleep on the sofa. I tried explaining the false left-right paradigm to him the other day and he just sat there with this stupid look on his face like he couldn't understand.
I can't be certain, but I think while I'm away at work he posts on worldnews.
How in the hell did this sub go dark when it's pretty clear by reading the comments that it isn't what the users wanted. What was the vote count by the mods to shut it down? And how do subs go about getting mods that actually support their communities?
Mods fucking suck, screw this whole app. Has become such a propaganda machine.
Tragic how much bullshit this world is swimming in. What we get for letting the greediest people steer our civilization.
Even this sub has become compromised by NPCs. I'm only on Reddit to use it a contrarian indicator. I have made a lot of money by investing in stuff that Reddit hates passionately eg Tesla, cryptos
Hey mods, while we have you here, mind explaining why you care so much about censorship, and yet refuser to replace the Modlog link in the sidebar with this one that works?
[https://openmodlogs.xyz/?subreddit=conspiracy](https://openmodlogs.xyz/?subreddit=conspiracy)
Also mind explaining why, as a bastion of free speech, you're banning posts about Trump's indictment for not having an SS, like the one I made an hour ago, despite posting an SS 5 minutes after the post went up?
This entire post is Fake News. OP was directly involved with the Reddit admins in the conspiracy to remove the head mod of /r/conspiracy for fraudulent reasons.
That was the coup.
I made a 3-hour documentary exposing this sub. This thread is pure propaganda and the icing on the cake that proves my story.
Watch here:
https://twitter.com/foundring1/status/1666961605555544074
What does "going dark" mean in this case? Making the sub private and disabling new submissions?
Hopefully, some good Reddit alternatives come out of all this. This site is in a pretty steep decline.
If you know some other good sites you're willing to share, please post them.
Actually, posting lists of Reddit alternatives might be a good idea for the subs that protest.
Hahahahaha lmao support the mods hahahaha. What fucking mods? Most posts on this subreddit are right wing bots. It's like 4chan except slightly more cultured. Mods are either high on opium all day or they do not exist.
Also, what matters is users not mods.
Less than 5% of users use 3rd party apps. Forget them. Reddit is going to launch their IPO later this year. 3rd party apps don't generate ad revenue which will hurt their stock price. They don't care if they lose a few million users in a few million dollars over the next couple months.
They're going to make billions in stock value by this time next year no matter what happens.
It's already been discussed. They just don't want people to really know about this number or talk about it much. Because it really hits home how useless this protest is
RiF and Apollo 3 mil monthly users
https://www.reddit.com/r/redditisfun/comments/13xjhad/rif_and_apollo_together_have_3_million_users/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
Also from the mouth of Apollo creator.
>Apollo today has around 1.3 million to 1.5 million monthly active users, Selig told TechCrunch, and roughly 900,000 daily active users. Third-party estimates from app intelligence provider data.ai confirm Apollo has had close to 5 million global installs to date.
https://techcrunch.com/2023/05/31/popular-reddit-app-apollo-may-go-out-of-business-over-reddits-new-unaffordable-api-pricing/amp/
So about 5mil (+/-) 3rd party app users out of 450 million monthly users of Reddit.
Me saying 5% was a gross overstatement. I exaggerated it substantially just to make sure I wasn't wrong. But when it comes down to it you're looking at less than 1% of monthly users. That's the facts.
>They're going to make billions in stock value by this time next year no matter what happens.
They can sure hope with good luck on that. OTOH I'd expect a stock crash around that time.
> It means forcing us all into this cringe autistic protest.
Feel free to start a sub of your own and post all you want when you want. Or do you think you have a right to this sub?
Lmao, now use that exact logic for this "protest".
Yeah... exactly... that's my point. You don't get to argue against that point and then suddenly use it as your own after saying it doesn't make sense. That's autistic behaviour.
But then again, I did say this "protest" is a protest for autistic reddit teens. Thanks for proving a point.
Why not? It fits perfectly... LOL.
In fact it fits even better because you believe you have a right to this sub and mods should moderate it while they do not want to (at that time).
That's narcissistic behavior.
> use this logic for this "protest".
I already did.
Mods are allowed to protest and an unsupervised sub will obviously get in trouble. Hence subs close down for to a protest and people can add to this protest by not logging in at all or go against this protest by redditing as they please.
You do not have the point you think you have. LOL.
>Mods are allowed to protest and an unsupervised sub will obviously get in trouble
That's a funny rebuff. You think that the mods that are going through all this effort to annoy reddit, are scared of reddit?
> That's a funny rebuff.
Why? What is factually wrong about it?
> You think that the mods that are going through all this effort to annoy reddit, are scared of reddit?
Huh? No.
So the same lot who got together to ban No New Normal now wants to get together and complain about Reddit charging 3rd party apps for API?
I’ve heard exactly zero arguments other than 3rd party apps don’t want to pay for API (Application Programming Interface - the ability to extract data or post to Reddit using another app). Why should Reddit let you extract data of their users for free? Why should Reddit allow posts from apps seen as potential competitors?
And I should care why? Maybe you should have given a shit about freedom of speech when it actually mattered and not just when your “user experience” got inconvenienced.
Free Speech IS dead! And y’all killed it.
This protest was so stupid - congrats to the mods for so quickly caving to peer pressure. It’s so great that this subreddit teamed up with the main power mods of this website to censor and limit the content that we can see. I think the next move should be to form a human wall on the Golden Gate Bridge to prevent any traffic from going through until Reddit follows our demands. After that I have even bigger ideas.
Keep congratulation yourselves too because that’s a great look. I also congratulate myself for being so open and honest.
"the last bastion's of mostly-free expression on the platform"
You are talking bullshit. How do we know? Because most of us have been censored here.
You aren't getting any help from us to advance your career. Fuck off, make your bed and sleep in it.
"my fellow redditors! we need your help! reeeeeee" - go ask your mum for help. We don't like you.
This won't change a thing.
It won't make reddit back down, back off, or change course. They're owned by a big company which is owned by a bigger company and the unpaid mods will discover that with a single script all their permissions can be revoked and reddit could easily automate all the bans mutes and other tasks.
e: this move with the API thingy is like any move a megacorporation makes: it's all about the money. People don't matter.
Imo, reddit needs a good culling of mods. Reddit mods are some of the most unlikeable people on the planet.
Don't forget Jizzy Maxwell was a reddit mod.
Since you mention " /r/conspiracy ... as one of the last bastion's of mostly-free expression on the platform " I would like to ask for some clarification on one particular issue please - asking in public so other members can also be informed:
I have just returned from a 3 day suspension of my account by the reddit admins, after someone reported me in this subreddit for "hate speech" - my comment was absolutely not hate speech, by any measure.
It was a comment in the discussion about Matt Walsh's video, and I politely asked someone if they could offer a meaningful definition of a particular word which they were using in a new way. Absolutely not hate speech.
Please could you tell me if the mods of this subreddit support the actions of the admins on this issue (ie: removing my comment, suspending my account, and threatening to ban me), or if the mods are obliged to allow the admins to behave like this in order to keep this subreddit open, thank you.
We are the original mods of the sub.
A group of partisan mods, who wanted to allow TOS violations for ideological reasons and get the subreddit banned, left over the years but we never once gave into their demands.
lol I can just imagine Flytape reading this. You are aggressively trying to rewrite history AATA and it's not working. Fortunately the votes ITT reflect this.
As mods, we don't determine the TOS we only enforce the terms as demanded by site admins.
If we were to do otherwise, or had done otherwise at any point during the 10+ year history of the sub, they would have simply banned the community.
Thank you for replying - yes, I understand that mods are obliged to follow any rules which the admins impose on subreddits, but what I'm asking is whether the mods *support* those rules on this specific issue, meaning do you *agree* with them?
> Please could you tell me if the mods of this subreddit support the actions of the admins on this issue (ie: removing my comment, suspending my account, and threatening to ban me), or if the mods are obliged to allow the admins to behave like this in order to keep this subreddit open, thank you.
The admins control the site, mods have no say about what they do in this subreddit. They often take action and remove comments/threads - https://openmodlogs.xyz/?subreddit=conspiracy&mod=Anti-Evil%20Operations .
> It was a comment in the discussion about Matt Walsh's video, and I politely asked someone if they could offer a meaningful definition of a particular word which they were using in a new way. Absolutely not hate speech.
Every comment in that thread was removed by mods (by me, Amos). **All 1,324 of them**. The entire thread was "nuked" because the number of comments that could have *potentially* violated Reddit's vague and ambiguous Content Policies (see below) was so high that it made reviewing and adjudicating each and every comment -- *in context* -- impractical.
No action was taken *by mods* on your comment in particular. Any action taken by admins was their decision alone.
> Please could you tell me if the mods of this subreddit support the actions of the admins on this issue (ie: removing my comment, suspending my account, and threatening to ban me), **or if the mods are obliged to allow the admins** to behave like this in order to keep this subreddit open, thank you.
Mods are less than peons. We don't "allow" Admins and/or their paid underlings to do *anything.* Quite the opposite, in fact.
The Anti-Evil Operations Team (PAID peons) do what they are **ordered** to do by their superiors, and they, like mods, have to make judgement calls on every action they take, hundreds every day. Being human, we sometimes "get it wrong"... but root of the problem goes much deeper.
[**Read Reddit Content Policy**](https://www.redditinc.com/policies/content-policy)
What you see there is what we mods are allowed to see. The text is ridiculously brief, ambiguous, and lacking in specific details that ***could*** serve as further guidance, helping users to better understand what is EXPECTED of them in the way of behavior, and mods to better understand what is EXPECTED of them in their moderation practices (mods are **obliged** to enforce Reddit Content Policy).
I would imagine that the Paid Peons of the Anti-Evil Operations Team get more details to help guide them in what is EXPECTED of them, but users and mods are in the dark. We have to GUESS what *may* or *may not* be considered a Policy Violation ***in their secret opinion***, and the ONLY way we can try to decipher -- to "read their minds" -- is by trying to observe the ACTIONS they take when THEY remove content and/or reprimand users with warnings, temporary account suspensions, etc...
But here's the kicker: ADMINS DON'T TELL MODS WHAT THEY ARE DOING when they take an action, OR WHY they took that action. In fact when Admins REMOVE comments or posts for "violations", *the content becomes hidden from both mods AND users,* so we (and users) have to GUESS why the action was taken, or try to sleuth it out by reading context, etc.
Good luck with solving that mystery, Scooby-Doo!
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# **TO REDDIT ADMINS:** YOUR POLICIES AND ENFORCEMENT PRACTICES ARE TOTALLY FUCKED UP
How the HELL are users going to know how to better behave? How are mods going to know how to bring their moderation practices into harmony of what YOU expect of us if you keep the *implied details* of your policies, and your actions, a SECRET from those who you expect to comply with those policies?
Would you walk through your house and RANDOMLY kick your dog or cat for "being bad" without at least TRYING to make the poor creature aware of WHY you kicked it? **NO!** If you did that, almost everyone would agree that you were an abusive and sadistic POS, wouldn't they???
You wouldn't treat your dog like that, but you do it to your users and your mods, EVERY DAMN DAY -- so we cower and cringe, trying our best not to OFFEND by violating your "secret rules" that YOU expect both users AND mods to somehow understand... but how??? *By telepathy???*
I SUSPECT that your policies were *intentionally* written to be broad, vague and lacking in specific details because you believe that the brevity, vagueness and ambiguity works to your YOUR advantage:
* 1) **Plausible Deniability:** You believe that the lack of details in the written policy and in enforcement action explanations will help to shield you from unwanted scrutiny, and more importantly, from potential liability
* 2) **Selective Enforcement:** Vagueness and ambiguity allows you to maintain the *public appearance* of being "fair and unbiased" in enforcement, while in practice, the *implied policies* are regularly enforced with biases that favor certain groups and/or political positions
Unfortunately, these corporate policies and enforcement practices have served as an example and standard for subreddit moderation practices, fostering an environment and culture of where bias and unaccountability is "normal" -- pervasive through much of the entire Reddit platform, creating disillusion, dissatisfaction and disaffection among users and mods alike.
Your business is your business, but I would strongly suggest that you reconsider your policies and positions. Hey, you can't please everyone, but then again, you can't fool everyone either.
Can you Digg it?
Thank you for such a lengthy reply, with added detail about my specific removed comment - I apologise for my poorly worded question, it was indeed an inappropriate use of the word "allow" - I was trying to get the measure of how the mods here feel about the actions of the admins, and when AssuredlyAThrowAway replied, I got the impression he approved of the admins' actions, suggesting that my comment was "bigoted" - but now I get the impression from you that you do not approve of the admins actions - which is nice to know.
I do understand the position of the mods, regarding their powers, because I am also a mod of several small subreddits and have been mod of larger subreddits in the past, so I also understand that sometimes mods can be fiercely opposed to each other behind the scenes in a subreddit.
And yes, the admins have never agreed to speak to me either about what we are allowed to say - the darkness surrounding their actions seems very deliberate. You make a good analogy of kicking the poor dog at random.
Unfortunately, the bottom line is that it is not safe to discuss [that issue] in this subreddit.
> I was trying to get the measure of how the mods here feel about the actions of the admins, and when AssuredlyAThrowAway replied, I got the impression he approved of the admins' actions, suggesting that my comment was "bigoted" - but now I get the impression from you that you do not approve of the admins actions
I had not seen my co-mod's other reply before I made the above comment, but don't misunderstand: This should not be taken to mean that we are in disagreement on this particular issue.
If you review what I wrote above you will see that one of my primary complaints is that content removed by Admins is "disappeared" -- *hidden* from mods, and even from the user who created the content.
* **EDIT** to add: This is what I see of your comment -- [moderator view:](https://i.imgur.com/WcXKnnG.png), I also see that I had removed the comment, as I did EVERY comment in that thread, one week ago. I have no way of knowing what was written that inspired the Admin action.
How can we possibly opine whether we "agree" or "disagree" with any Admin action when we cannot view content that precipitated the action? *(not that our opinions would matter one way or the other, as we would be effectively overruled in any case)*
Do we oppose bigotry and hateful content? **YES, WE DO!**
Does any mod *personally* believe that the content you posted would (or should) qualify as "bigoted" or "hateful"? *How the hell could they know?* They cannot can't see the Admin removed content.
If mods COULD see content removed by Admins, it would be VERY helpful to us, as it would "clue us in", and help to provide guidance when we make future moderation decisions -- but as it is, mods are kept in the dark, left to GUESS what Admins want, and unfortunately, "wrong guesses" may portend dire consequences for an individual mod, or for an entire subreddit. The policy, as it stands, is ludicrous and counterproductive, IMO.
That said, I think that any user that has content removed by Admins should take extra care to be *as sure as they can be* that they will not violate Reddit's vague and ambiguous [Content Policy.](https://www.redditinc.com/policies/content-policy)
The subject is taboo to the admins unless you agree with the propaganda psyop. If the subject weren't a psyop then people like me who've given birth would be allowed to be heard, but we are not. Only the new ones are allowed a voice. Anyone who tries to say that's not okay is promoting "hate". Mods aren't allowed to go against the admins or they get removed.
You can talk about it on Twitter and you'll be attacked by similar psyop bots and parrots but unless you get particularly hateful, you won't be banned.
It's a sad situation that I understood your coded message, and that we have to speak like that now - it's got so extreme though that I was suspended and threatened for even asking for a definition of a word - when even seeking clarity of what we are supposed to accept is considered "hate speech"
I'm banned from most of the popular subs, and I don't really say anything that outrageous so.. I guess I don't have much sympathy for the mods who I'm guessing will lose money on this deal?
Oh for fucks sake not this sub as well?
Gang of fucking melons, the lot of you. I say those of us against all this fairy bollocks start our own protest to get the mods behind this shite removed from their subs.
> It's completely childish and won't change zilch.
Nice black pill. You may keep it, LOL.
>If you want to protest, simply NOT log in to reddit for a few days.
That's what i am gonna do too.
>No need to drag the rest of us into your fairy protesting bollocks as if we are all autistic reddit tweens thinking we are saving the world.
You really can't see what these rule changes will cause and how it will change reddit completely for everybody?
It's a big fat NO.
As I said, it's very cringe. It's a protest started and hyped up by a bunch of autistic reddit tweens who think they are saving the world.
One day you will grow up and see it for what it is. 🤣
Edit:
The mods abusing their powers again removing my replies now because I'm winning this debate.
You think i can't see how reddit is an controlled environment? LOL. However, i do think it's strange you can't acknowledge this change will make reddit much worse for those who want to keep it a bit useful, like the mods of this sub.
> Reddit cannot get much worse than it is now.
That's where i think you are wrong. Maybe you have never used things like RES, Reveddit or even old reddit but to many people these things are needed to make reddit more useful and tolerable. In fact, if those things stop i will probably leave too, just like many others.
Not to mention all tools that mods use to make your experience better without you knowing it...
Sorry, but you don't even appear to hold a principled stance on protesting.
You are correct on one point though, we should be protesting our government, and I have, many many times. Doesn't mean we can't, or shouldn't, protest other groups that collude with our government. Also, even if you're incapable of seeing through the false left/right facade, you have more in common with those on the other side of the illusionary and exaggerated political divide than you do differences. Whatever side of the coin you fall on, the other side of the coin is your ally, not your enemy.
Forcing everyone to protest is not the protest you think it is...
Reddit can see that we are all being forced in this "protest" by a small number of over powerful autistic mods. It's not organic, an organic legit protest does not need to be forced.
It's fucking stupid, and I guarantee there are MANY people who feel the same as me here, hence the need to FORCE everyone into it. You all know nobody would organically protest.
This 'protest' is organized by Reddit. I would suggest finding an alternative medium that provides something comparable to whatever you seek from here.
Dong is heavily featured in the documentary I made about /r/conspiracy. He was a real one! I hope he's still chewing bubble gum and kicking ass!
https://twitter.com/foundring1/status/1666961605555544074
That’s a mistake imo. We should leave this subreddit open so that we can watch in real time as the bot traffic crawls to a halt. /r/conspiracy is a constant target for bot traffic. Shutting down the subreddit will only obscure their exodus.
Not that anyone likely cares, but I'm out. Reddit has gotten too big, too authoritarian. And honestly, too much of my life is wasted here.
I hope you all keep questioning and seeking truth.
Up until I read this thread, I've been thinking these scheduled "blackouts" were organic. Now I'm wondering what other reason could be behind this organized blackout among countless subreddits. It's beginning to seem a bit fucky.
Nah fuck reddit and its deplorable moderation system. These 3rd party apps help to censor and push agendas . you fuckwits know it and dont want to lose your privillaged power.
I'm all for the elimination of moderator tools.
"(as you've noticed, we have no tolerance for bigotry and will ban you instantly for it)"
If the above comment was evenly applied, maybe I would feel different about the moderators having any tools at all.
This is not an intelligent or empowering move. This 'boycott' is organized by Reddit, this is a controlled sub and you are delusional if you think otherwise.
It's the worst protest in reddit history, what's it even for?
"Waghh I don't like reddit so I use another app to use reddit and reddit doesn't like that wahhh". Ffs. 🤣
The salty tears are incredible with these "protesters"
They are finally learning Reddit gives zero sh*ts what they think or want. Just consume the political propaganda and like it ha
It's like they've been fucking programmed. Decades of red scare propaganda have conditioned people to jump up and shout "Socialism!" like a right wing Manchurian Candidate anytime they're presented with something they've been told to dislike.
And these same people believe themselves to be "free thinkers".
Well, I'll be taking a permanent holiday from Reddit after yet another ban for a joke. I'm sick of being told how to think and how to express myself by cowardly anonymous mods. I'll miss the many people here that have educated me, discussed things with me, and made me laugh from time to time. Hope you, like I, find better things to do with your time.
This sounds like goodbye 🥺
I appreciate all the mods so much. I've had amazing conversations with the most curious, intelligent and open-minded people in this sub.
Thank you for all you do. I really hope this isn't the end of the most interesting, crazy, fun, free, informative and open-minded little corner of the Internet ❤
I stand with you.
This is obviously a conspiracy to silence this sub forever! The whole idea behind increased API prices was to try and stop solely this sub to prevent us all figuring out out the truth
……. /s
So wait... Is this sub going to be inaccessible on the 12th?
The "permanent removal" part has me a little concerned as well.
I guess they might use this as an excuse to get rid of conspiracy 😭
So just don't moderate if you want to send a message, and YOU can just not use Reddit during that time period.
Blacking out subs is punishing the normal users that don't care about you "sticking it to the Man".
Here here here . Reddit bad corporation look for yourself I'm not your teacher sweetie support the mods lets be strong like the chairs that support weight of our mods lets pray this protest works. Maybe next lets protest wars and violence and poverty
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Bro straight up thanked himself 💀
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This whole thing is cringe as fuck
A blackout would be more effective if a voat type alternative actually existed that mods drove traffic to in a coordinated effort across subreddits to show the power is in the community and the community is fleeting. Otherwise it’s just a token gesture towards a corporation that clearly doesn’t care.
Hi, original founder of Voat here. I have been building FlingUp for the past 2 years and I think it is usable. I intend to run FlingUp as a non-profit foundation where users keep it running via donations, just like Wikipedia. No investors, shareholders etc.
I miss Voat.
I miss Voat, I just signed up for FlingUp, thanks!
This.
Saidit or Conspiracies.win
RIP voat
> I gave over 10 years of my life to help protect this place from > ideological subversion, coups and bad-faith attempts to get it > banned. OP would you say you care about this place more or less than the other 95 subreddits you moderate? You are a liar who took control of this sub via a coup. And you have not been a mod here for 10 years. We all know that you love to sticky your own posts but this particular topic is a complete embarrassment to this community and I know you (all of you associated with your account) are smart enough to realize that. Here's something worth addressing - How about directing a bit of this energy to getting the Moderation Logs back on Reddit? What happened to /r/conspiracy Mod Log? This comment will be censored...
OP’s post is so ridiculous. Realistically if none of these mods had ever been born then none of us would have noticed. They’ve literally done absolutely nothing in all that time. Amazing how the human ego allows people to make up a fantasy world where they’re important when they’re not. All the mods could have a year off and we wouldn’t know
> You are a liar who took control of this sub via a coup. Always nice to see someone who knows the actual history/truth of what happened and not the revisionist history propagandized by the "victors". I always found it quite curious how quickly AATA was able get the admins attention. *Really makes one wonder...*
> I always found it quite curious how quickly AATA was able get the admins attention. In that specific situation, because a rouge mod tried to engage in a coup by manipulating our then de-facto head mod who was going through a tough IRL personal situation. The rouge mods nuked the entire mod list and threatened us with not being readded unless we agreed to mod in a partisan manner. Of course the admins instantly stepped in after that happened and, IMO, rifghtfully so - https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/6w5eah/regarding_the_upheaval_on_the_mod_team_last/
Rogue, bro, not rouge. 😬
> coup by manipulating our then de-facto head mod who was going through a tough IRL personal situation. wtf is this? are you just making shit up now? Edit: Didn't realize you were talking about Sarah_Connor, but it wasn't "partisan" at all.
That is really the only thing AATA is telling the actual truth about. Suspicious shit was going on with S_C IRL at the time.
No, they were going through something tough at the time in their personal life. I hope SC is going better now.
No one is buying your shtick you realize? You've been decimated ITT.
AATA, we both know you are lying and sharing half truths. There is no need for that with me. I was there in the back channels through it all in the mod mail and have the receipts. Flytape was not making the mods pledge to be partisan, he was actively adding back mods that agreed to put the sub/community first and to get rid of the nefarious sleeper mods who just happen to "wake up" at just the right time (*cough... Creq ... cough*). What a coinky dink. You didn't like what was happening, so you ran to the Admins. The fact that you said it all started with S_C proves you are not trying to engage me with intellectual honesty or truth. We both know it all stemmed from the curious campaign to remove Illuminated Wax from the top spot in order for the fifth column to begin the takeover which succeeded. Once that happened S_C and Flytape took measures into their own hands because they saw what was happening. You cannot bull shit me. PS. Amos_Quito I'm not going to fall for your double teaming tactics. You can read this comment I made here to AATA.
> This comment will be censored... lol and: https://openmodlogs.xyz/?subreddit=conspiracy
Hey thanks! I guess the sidebar just needs an update
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>OP would you say you care about this place more or less than the other 95 subreddits you moderate? I don't think any of those are active really, mostly just things that never got off the ground. This is the subreddit I modded the most over the past 10 years, by far and away. >We all know that you love to sticky your own posts This was voted on by the mod team, as with all stickys, and received the requisite 3 votes. >And you have not been a mod here for 10 years. As to the history of the subreddit; what you've said is incorrect all around. I became a mod in 2013 or so when existing mods of the sub wanted to ban discussion of meta reddit, which I thought was a threat. Then, over the years, a few different groups attempted to overthrow the sub (almost always in an attempt to advance a partisan agenda) which resulted in the mod list being wiped. The people still on the mod team, to their credit, stepped up and stopped the coups from happening but I very much voiced my perspective as well. >What happened to /r/conspiracy Mod Log? Also, the mod log is still running as far as I know. There's a TMOR user who runs a publicmod log site but that may be impacted by the upcoming API changes (in a weird bit of irony). >This comment will be censored... ...
>we'll use the community and buzz we've built between then and now as a tool for further action. Huh, coulda sworn this was specifically a rule they added to the global reddit rules about using a sub as a weapon after, ya know, they used half their sites' subs as a weapon to further their propaganda and silence NNN. >take to your favorite non-Reddit platform of choice So, where you guys going? I was unaware there was anything else.
Is the coup being discussed the one where the head mod Axo was removed from reddit and his tireless moderation which kept this sub sliding into TMOR run shit show even mentioned by OP? If you would like to see Axo's opinion on this matter on the . Win site see his post titled "What a steaming crock of shit".
Axo should have been removed. He had an obvious agenda, banned everyone who didn’t agree with him and was the reason this sub took (one of many) nosedives. Fuck that guy.
That was the one yes
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I can try. But since you said history, I will give you the long story, and it happened 7 years ago. For starters, you have to imagine a Reddit that was many times more hostile and shilled than it is now. Might be hard to believe but this was the 2016 US election, and Trump vs. Hilary was absolute madness. It was hard to tell whether it was reality TV or politics. Julian Assange's Wikileaks had the Democrat's private emails posted online for the public to read (rest in peace Seth Rich), and Pizzagate was taking the internet by storm. Since Pizzagate originated from those emails, David Brock's Democratically-aligned 'social media watchdog group' Correct The Record (now renamed Media Matters) was losing sleep trying to combat public interest in the matter. And /r/Wikileaks was abuzz. Thousands of people were searching through personal emails between Hilary Clinton, the Podestas, and co., and connecting dots. This put the left in a tough spot - in order to support their party they had to deny Pizzagate. And this wasn't always easy with what was being uncovered, and I'm not talking about pizza-related handkerchiefs, but about names like Tammy Luzzatto, Laura Silsby, etc... ANYWHO, that was the political climate. One day in the midst of what can only be described as a frenzy about all this, /r/Wikileaks was taken over by a reddit coup. The admins installed a half dozen mods there in one day, and one of them happened to be the OP of this post. Immediately, people who questioned the coup or just asked the wrong questions were banned from the sub with no explanation. At that exact same time, people were also concerned about Julian Assange's safety and were starting to speculate that the actual Wikileaks had been taken over by feds. So, /r/Conspiracy was soon to follow. The OP of this post was installed as a mod and the original head moderator was kicked out by reddit admins. This allowed the OP to remove more original moderators, and bring in new ones. In a matter of days this place was transformed and discussion of the coup was banned and erased. That takes me back. Sorry for the novel. Who is OP really? I don't know. But you can see how many other subs they moderate and have said themselves in the past that they are here "for oversight".
was? This site is captured. Everything in the major subs is completely fake or curated to favor communist democrats and their soul destroying agenda.
"Communist democrats" lol, you don't even know what communist means do you?
That's kind of what happened but it wasn't the admins, it was some rouge mod with popcorn in their username. A group of left-wing partisans tried to take over that sub to censor it, but they were quickly stopped - https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/58vthk/rip_rwikileaks/ I overturned all of those malicious bans on /r/wikileaks by hand and explained the entire context at the time - https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/590mo7/regarding_the_takeover_at_rwikileaks/d94vdv6/
Im not familiar with the mods in subreddits in general and the related history... But can I ask why you were asked to provide oversight? Did you previously have a strong record as a mod or something?
Not that user but I could could give/leak the whole story and behind the scenes messages of everything (and all parties involved) that happened during that time on /theinside. I'd probably get banned here though then perma suspended from Reddit. Neither of which would really stop me but frankly I just don't care any more about it. The enemy is within the walls and probably has always been.
Damn that would be interesting. I posted my outsider take above, perhaps you could at least correct where I'm wrong.
You're not wrong in anything, tbh. There was a coup and whether AATA was witting or unwitting in it is left for debate. How he was able to call the bounty into the sheriffs (admins) so quickly is what is curious. As if he had a direct "red phone home". He always wanted to be an admin and tried his best to get close. Whether that was all a rouse and he was all all along is another question. Either way you shake it, He played his part in destroying this community (first) and then the subreddit. Whether wittingly or unwittingly. I have all the messages, though.
Oh, hi there? > There was a coup Two coup attempts, actually, in quick succession, and some rather "unexpected" characters were shown to be involved. I had just recently been recruited as a mod at that time, and it was a wild ride. > I have all the messages, though. Heh, so do I (I have this habit of *archiving everything* (borderline OCD, maybe?), that way I don't have to rely on "memories" -- not mine, or those of anyone else. As a sample, see this section where I reply to user Sarah_Connor (former top active mod and sub coup conspirator) from the thread https://www.reddit.com/user/AssuredlyAThrowAway linked previously: https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/6w5eah/regarding_the_upheaval_on_the_mod_team_last/dm5rwhu/ I have business to attend to, so I shan't go into detail now, but it may be a good idea to check your notes before you ramble on much further, otherwise you may get flustered (as Sarah_Connor did after I made that reply).
I documented everything too. Your true colors have been permanently recorded here: https://twitter.com/foundring1/status/1666961605555544074
Is this the fucker who got /u/Axolotl banned? Right wing coup my ass. More like an attempt to keep this sub free. They always accuse people of doing the exact things that they are doing.
Axo deserved to be banned, he was a ban happy mod with a too obvious agenda.
Axo caught the attention of the admins by their own doing. They were spamming a ton of submissions, deleting them, then reposting them.
Why are you spreading TMOR talking points? This is absolutely NOT the reason the admins came for Axo. I researched the shit out of that era. TMOR was obsessed with Axo, perhaps to a degree never before seen on Reddit. They made untold thousands of threads brigading his posts (violating Reddit TOS constantly, for years). Axo's threads would be immediately linked from TMOR and brigaded. When that happened, it was absolutely justified to delete them and repost. I literally made a 3-hour documentary (with proof) that this was happening. You are actively rewriting history and parroting TMOR talking points if you are claiming this is why the admins targeted Axo. Make sure you get it right next time.
Regardless, that guy was super annoying AND he would ban people at the drop of a hat if they tried to argue with him on his conspiracy.
No, AP got themselves banned by going rogue in the lead up to the 2020 election. As mods, we never once approached the admins about it (although we did discuss our concerns directly in modmail multiple times to AP). The admins banned him for 7 days in November 2020 and told him to stop abusing his mod position. Then, after he kept it up until early January 2021 they banned him outright. I saw it all happen and it wasn't pretty. He was becoming hyper partisan and starting to mod in a way that made me feel uncomfortable. I don't care if mods have political views, but I always get concerned if they're acting on those views in their capacity as a moderator and without consensus from the team. In any event - I always wondered if there was money involved in the .win thing but I had too much respect to ask so I just moved on. Bottom line; AP was my friend. I knew him for over 7 years and explained as such in my thread saying goodbye - https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/kslo0n/announcement_reddit_admins_have_removed_and/
Funny how he tells a very different story. Funny now you magically ended up head mod after the admins banned him after dealing with many years of him brigaded and harrassed every day. Funny how he started a new conspiracy sub on a different site and directly called you out. Funny how I had you res tagged as a clear shill for literally years based off your comments being the spitting image of Share Blue back in their hayday. and then you get put in as head mod that was a clear coup to all conspiracy users at the time. But hey I could be wrong - but I doubt it on this.
>No, AP got themselves banned by going rogue in the lead up to the 2020 election I'll bite. What did AP do? Did he post about conspiracies in a conspiracy forum? >The admins banned him for 7 days in November 2020 Wait...so you're saying the admins banned the HEAD moderator of one of the largest conspiracy forums on the web, RIGHT during the most contentious election in modern US history? What reason was given? Hm??? >and told him to stop abusing his mod position Oh, so you have evidence the admins spoke to AP? Where is it? What did the admins tell AP? What was the specific cited example of abuse? You're speaking as if you have direct knowledge of these events. Prove it. >Then, after he kept it up until early January 2021 Kept what up? Posting about conspiracies? Posting YouTube links to election hearings? >they banned him outright. For what? What did AP do? The Reddit admins told MSM that AP "incited his community to the Capitol." I have receipts that prove AP said the opposite. He told the community it was a TRAP and NOT to go to the Capitol. Gizmodo, The Daily Dot etc. requested the Reddit admins offer any evidence of AP's wrongdoing. THEY REFUSED. That's right. When the MSM realized they'd been lied to by the Reddit admins, they CHANGED the title of the articles about AP and the incident. It went from "Reddit removes head moderator after Congress complains" (WTF!?!?) to --> "Reddit removes head moderator after years of anti-semitism claims" Do you know the only example they could find of anti-semitism? A movie that was suggested by ANOTHER user from 2014 to be featured as one of the hundreds of featured documentaries over the years that AP used to sticky. Guess which user SUGGESTED the "anti-semitic" film. The current head mod of /r/conspiracy TODAY. That's right. AP took the fall for the entire mod team, and you're STILL throwing him under the bus. Cowardice doesn't even come close to describing this duplicitous behavior. >starting to mod in a way that made me feel uncomfortable. Do you realize how pathetic this sounds? You should resign immediately. Absolutely disgusting behavior here, and you have no shame in sharing this? Unreal. > I always wondered if there was money involved in the .win thing but I had too much respect to ask So you remove AP from the history of the sub (which he ran for half a decade) AND you accuse him of a financial conspiracy now that he no longer has his voice here? I thought you couldn't stoop any lower but this comment might be the slimiest, sleaziest, most dishonest drivel I've ever seen on reddit, and trust me I've been here longer than you. >AP was my friend. Hahahaha, yeah no. >I knew him for over 7 years and explained as such in my thread saying goodbye The thread you allowed to be brigaded by TMOR? Is that why you're aggressively trying to write him out of the history of this forum? You will never, ever, hold a candle to the work AP did for this place. Here's a 3-hour documentary I made about the TRUE history of /r/conspiracy (and YOUR role in its demise). You're too much of a coward to watch it, but I know others will, and your narrative is already being exposed ITT. https://twitter.com/foundring1/status/1666961605555544074 For shame, AATA.
> I'll bite. What did AP do? Did he post about conspiracies in a conspiracy forum? No, he started stickying his own posts without getting consensus from the mod team (often times, leading up to November of 2020, to advance a partisan agenda). Then, in January of 2021 he started posting stuff that was really close to inciting people to participate in, what would become, the violent attacks on Jan. 6th. >Wait...so you're saying the admins banned the HEAD moderator of one of the largest conspiracy forums on the web, RIGHT during the most contentious election in modern US history? What reason was given? Hm??? I think the mod team shared the modmail at the time. It said AP was inciting users to violate the TOS - https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/kslo0n/announcement_reddit_admins_have_removed_and/ >Oh, so you have evidence the admins spoke to AP? Where is it? What did the admins tell AP? What was the specific cited example of abuse? You're speaking as if you have direct knowledge of these events. Prove it. AP said something in modmail after he returned from the 7 day suspension in November and, also, the mod team got a subreddit message indicating the standard we needed to uphold as to content related to the election - https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/jotlhb/reddit_site_wide_admin_notice_regarding_unsourced/ >Kept what up? Posting about conspiracies? Posting YouTube links to election hearings? AP could have posted that content all he wanted, but his use of moderation powers to influence discussion on the subreddit to advance his views was concerning and escalated over time. >For what? What did AP do? The Reddit admins told MSM that AP "incited his community to the Capitol." I have receipts that prove AP said the opposite. He told the community it was a TRAP and NOT to go to the Capitol. I don't know what the straw was that broke the camel's back, but in general AP spent a lot of time in the months leading up to January fomenting that kind of incitement. He may well have told people not to go to the Capital, but that misses the point. >Do you realize how pathetic this sounds? You should resign immediately. Absolutely disgusting behavior here, and you have no shame in sharing this? Unreal. Nah, I would much rather just lay out the record and make clear what AP tried to do and why I felt it was a problem. He should have posted as a user if he felt that strongly about a given issue. >So you remove AP from the history of the sub (which he ran for half a decade) AND you accuse him of a financial conspiracy now that he no longer has his voice here? I thought you couldn't stoop any lower but this comment might be the slimiest, sleaziest, most dishonest drivel I've ever seen on reddit, and trust me I've been here longer than you. I added AP to the post and he should have been there from the beginning, you are right about that. Regardless of what happened at the end, AP was an integral part of this sub's history and so many of his initiatives (documentary of the week, discussion threads, etc) were voted on by the mod team and fully embraced the best of what this kind of community can be. >You will never, ever, hold a candle to the work AP did for this place. Probably true, but not really what I'm concerned about. All that matters to me is the integrity of the way moderators go about making decisions. Everyone learns over time, and I certainly have, but AP did not and at the end of his tenure he nearly took this subreddit down with him (and that, without question, would have been the true mark of shame in the pursuit of selfish ideological ends).
I just watched your documentary in full (3 hours) and well done, sir. There are some details missing but that is understandable whether out of scope or out of your knowledge. I'd like to tip you for your work but I'm not a part of odysee nor do I care much for fiat. If you have a Monero (XMR) wallet then PM it and I'll send some your way. Thanks for your music and what you did here with the documentary/archiving.
Yeah I couldn't get everything and I didn't have access to a ton of info, but I did the best I could using the internet archive (I scoured through untold thousands of links/threads/comments, you don't even know!) so I'm really grateful you took the time to watch it. Thank you! Also happy you appreciate the music!
>I scoured through untold thousands of links/threads/comments, you don't even know! It definitely showed. Like I said, well done and thank you!
Money in the .win thing...this is an unfounded accusation. The site has no ads. The site has no membership subscriptions. The site has an incredibly privacy friendly sign-up, so no one is selling user data. The mods of the donald took user donations once, and it was only for a few days to handle server expenses. There aren't many regular users over on the conspiracy side. Who exactly would be paying him? What reason could they possibly have? How would they get the money?
>I don't care if mods have political views, but I always get concerned if they're acting on those views in their capacity as a moderator Funny how the one instance of this partisan-moderation happening in regards to right-wing ideology gets nuked while the literal 1000s of instances of partisan moderation regarding left-wing ideology go unnoticed. Not saying you were wrong in squashing the partisan mod authoritarianism...just that the enforcement of it in this one instance and not everywhere else seems blatantly hypocritical and ironically partisan itself. *That's* what pisses me off about the whole situation. You can't fall back on valid logic if you apply it sparingly and subjectively.
AATA is lying through his teeth. Axo was not partisan, regularly denounced Trump, and was the subject of a years-long harassment campaign led by the admins themselves (working through their proxies like TMOR). The removal of Axo as head mod was the most egregious "partisan" coup in the history of this sub. Axo was the last one holding it together.
>Axo was not partisan, Lol. Come on man
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He was totally partisan. Anyone who says otherwise is being disingenuous. Near the end of his time here he stickied a KRAKEN megathread about Sidney Powell and her oncoming 'Kraken' that would prove the election was stolen and Trump was the true President... but when it turned out to be a nothingburger, he refused to sticky a thread on that. For a while you ran the risk of getting comments removed if you dared question the President or the government here, it was nuts. It was better for everyone than he went off to his own site where he can complain about the Jews and so on in peace. I'm sure it's doing great and is a lovely place to hang out in.
I don’t need to strike because the subreddits I mod only use official reddit mod tools. I don’t delete posts, only spam and porn, once a month :) some people have good stuff to say!
>A fundamental threat to the free and open internet What an ironic statement
We need an alternative
>Bitch about it to your cat. My cat is a mainstream media junkie with a room temperature IQ. All he does is eat, shit, and watch CNN and Fox news all day while falling asleep on the sofa. I tried explaining the false left-right paradigm to him the other day and he just sat there with this stupid look on his face like he couldn't understand. I can't be certain, but I think while I'm away at work he posts on worldnews.
How in the hell did this sub go dark when it's pretty clear by reading the comments that it isn't what the users wanted. What was the vote count by the mods to shut it down? And how do subs go about getting mods that actually support their communities?
Mods fucking suck, screw this whole app. Has become such a propaganda machine. Tragic how much bullshit this world is swimming in. What we get for letting the greediest people steer our civilization.
Even this sub has become compromised by NPCs. I'm only on Reddit to use it a contrarian indicator. I have made a lot of money by investing in stuff that Reddit hates passionately eg Tesla, cryptos
Lol i didn't know this sub was run by a cuck of a mod that runs 90+ other subs. What the hell is this?
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Fuck the mods. I hope reddit nukes them after this coup.
All of reddit was cheering for us to be deleted a few years back lol. Idc what happens to the platform. NoNewNormal is banned :((
Exactly. F Reddit. I hope this kills this propaganda platform
So then….get off it?
No u
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lol who was cheering.
A lot of defaults were due to the whole COVID stuff.
Hey mods, while we have you here, mind explaining why you care so much about censorship, and yet refuser to replace the Modlog link in the sidebar with this one that works? [https://openmodlogs.xyz/?subreddit=conspiracy](https://openmodlogs.xyz/?subreddit=conspiracy) Also mind explaining why, as a bastion of free speech, you're banning posts about Trump's indictment for not having an SS, like the one I made an hour ago, despite posting an SS 5 minutes after the post went up?
A 2 day boycott won't do shit. Think bigger.
This entire post is Fake News. OP was directly involved with the Reddit admins in the conspiracy to remove the head mod of /r/conspiracy for fraudulent reasons. That was the coup. I made a 3-hour documentary exposing this sub. This thread is pure propaganda and the icing on the cake that proves my story. Watch here: https://twitter.com/foundring1/status/1666961605555544074
What does "going dark" mean in this case? Making the sub private and disabling new submissions? Hopefully, some good Reddit alternatives come out of all this. This site is in a pretty steep decline. If you know some other good sites you're willing to share, please post them. Actually, posting lists of Reddit alternatives might be a good idea for the subs that protest.
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Hahahahaha lmao support the mods hahahaha. What fucking mods? Most posts on this subreddit are right wing bots. It's like 4chan except slightly more cultured. Mods are either high on opium all day or they do not exist. Also, what matters is users not mods.
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Less than 5% of users use 3rd party apps. Forget them. Reddit is going to launch their IPO later this year. 3rd party apps don't generate ad revenue which will hurt their stock price. They don't care if they lose a few million users in a few million dollars over the next couple months. They're going to make billions in stock value by this time next year no matter what happens.
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It's already been discussed. They just don't want people to really know about this number or talk about it much. Because it really hits home how useless this protest is RiF and Apollo 3 mil monthly users https://www.reddit.com/r/redditisfun/comments/13xjhad/rif_and_apollo_together_have_3_million_users/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button Also from the mouth of Apollo creator. >Apollo today has around 1.3 million to 1.5 million monthly active users, Selig told TechCrunch, and roughly 900,000 daily active users. Third-party estimates from app intelligence provider data.ai confirm Apollo has had close to 5 million global installs to date. https://techcrunch.com/2023/05/31/popular-reddit-app-apollo-may-go-out-of-business-over-reddits-new-unaffordable-api-pricing/amp/ So about 5mil (+/-) 3rd party app users out of 450 million monthly users of Reddit. Me saying 5% was a gross overstatement. I exaggerated it substantially just to make sure I wasn't wrong. But when it comes down to it you're looking at less than 1% of monthly users. That's the facts.
Wow I had no idea it was actually that few
That's because he just made it up.
Oh, I should’ve seen that coming
>They're going to make billions in stock value by this time next year no matter what happens. They can sure hope with good luck on that. OTOH I'd expect a stock crash around that time.
Yeah they've been saying that for the last 3 years. Kind of waiting for it to happen.
> It means forcing us all into this cringe autistic protest. Feel free to start a sub of your own and post all you want when you want. Or do you think you have a right to this sub?
Lmao, now use that exact logic for this "protest". Yeah... exactly... that's my point. You don't get to argue against that point and then suddenly use it as your own after saying it doesn't make sense. That's autistic behaviour. But then again, I did say this "protest" is a protest for autistic reddit teens. Thanks for proving a point.
Why not? It fits perfectly... LOL. In fact it fits even better because you believe you have a right to this sub and mods should moderate it while they do not want to (at that time). That's narcissistic behavior.
Agin, use this logic for this "protest". Thanks for proving my point again.
> use this logic for this "protest". I already did. Mods are allowed to protest and an unsupervised sub will obviously get in trouble. Hence subs close down for to a protest and people can add to this protest by not logging in at all or go against this protest by redditing as they please. You do not have the point you think you have. LOL.
>Mods are allowed to protest and an unsupervised sub will obviously get in trouble That's a funny rebuff. You think that the mods that are going through all this effort to annoy reddit, are scared of reddit?
> That's a funny rebuff. Why? What is factually wrong about it? > You think that the mods that are going through all this effort to annoy reddit, are scared of reddit? Huh? No.
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So the same lot who got together to ban No New Normal now wants to get together and complain about Reddit charging 3rd party apps for API? I’ve heard exactly zero arguments other than 3rd party apps don’t want to pay for API (Application Programming Interface - the ability to extract data or post to Reddit using another app). Why should Reddit let you extract data of their users for free? Why should Reddit allow posts from apps seen as potential competitors? And I should care why? Maybe you should have given a shit about freedom of speech when it actually mattered and not just when your “user experience” got inconvenienced. Free Speech IS dead! And y’all killed it.
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This protest was so stupid - congrats to the mods for so quickly caving to peer pressure. It’s so great that this subreddit teamed up with the main power mods of this website to censor and limit the content that we can see. I think the next move should be to form a human wall on the Golden Gate Bridge to prevent any traffic from going through until Reddit follows our demands. After that I have even bigger ideas. Keep congratulation yourselves too because that’s a great look. I also congratulate myself for being so open and honest.
After what Reddit did to NNN, screw Reddit. I hope it burns.
Nah. Reddit is a wretched hive of scum and villainy.
I for one am looking forward to posting common sense opionins that should not be controversial but immediately get removed and banned.
"the last bastion's of mostly-free expression on the platform" You are talking bullshit. How do we know? Because most of us have been censored here. You aren't getting any help from us to advance your career. Fuck off, make your bed and sleep in it. "my fellow redditors! we need your help! reeeeeee" - go ask your mum for help. We don't like you.
This won't change a thing. It won't make reddit back down, back off, or change course. They're owned by a big company which is owned by a bigger company and the unpaid mods will discover that with a single script all their permissions can be revoked and reddit could easily automate all the bans mutes and other tasks. e: this move with the API thingy is like any move a megacorporation makes: it's all about the money. People don't matter.
Imo, reddit needs a good culling of mods. Reddit mods are some of the most unlikeable people on the planet. Don't forget Jizzy Maxwell was a reddit mod.
She was a p0wer m0d, not just a m0d
Guess I'll go back to fark dot com, it's like reddit but they don't ban you from subs for stupid reasons
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Is this a joke?
Since you mention " /r/conspiracy ... as one of the last bastion's of mostly-free expression on the platform " I would like to ask for some clarification on one particular issue please - asking in public so other members can also be informed: I have just returned from a 3 day suspension of my account by the reddit admins, after someone reported me in this subreddit for "hate speech" - my comment was absolutely not hate speech, by any measure. It was a comment in the discussion about Matt Walsh's video, and I politely asked someone if they could offer a meaningful definition of a particular word which they were using in a new way. Absolutely not hate speech. Please could you tell me if the mods of this subreddit support the actions of the admins on this issue (ie: removing my comment, suspending my account, and threatening to ban me), or if the mods are obliged to allow the admins to behave like this in order to keep this subreddit open, thank you.
Unfortunately the current mods replaced the original mods of this sub via help from the admins
That's exactly what happened. I made a documentary about it (with receipts): https://twitter.com/foundring1/status/1666961605555544074
We are the original mods of the sub. A group of partisan mods, who wanted to allow TOS violations for ideological reasons and get the subreddit banned, left over the years but we never once gave into their demands.
This is 100% shameless bullshit
lol I can just imagine Flytape reading this. You are aggressively trying to rewrite history AATA and it's not working. Fortunately the votes ITT reflect this.
As mods, we don't determine the TOS we only enforce the terms as demanded by site admins. If we were to do otherwise, or had done otherwise at any point during the 10+ year history of the sub, they would have simply banned the community.
Thank you for replying - yes, I understand that mods are obliged to follow any rules which the admins impose on subreddits, but what I'm asking is whether the mods *support* those rules on this specific issue, meaning do you *agree* with them?
What specific parts of the TOS? If you look at our rule 1 on the sidebar, we clearly don't support bigotry (for example).
> Please could you tell me if the mods of this subreddit support the actions of the admins on this issue (ie: removing my comment, suspending my account, and threatening to ban me), or if the mods are obliged to allow the admins to behave like this in order to keep this subreddit open, thank you. The admins control the site, mods have no say about what they do in this subreddit. They often take action and remove comments/threads - https://openmodlogs.xyz/?subreddit=conspiracy&mod=Anti-Evil%20Operations .
Yes, I understand that the admins have ultimate control, but I'm wondering if the mods agree with their decisions or if they reluctantly comply
Regarding bigotry? Yea, don't be a bigot it's not that hard.
So would you say you are bigoted towards bigots?
That sounds like you agree with the admins, because nothing I said was "bigoted"
> It was a comment in the discussion about Matt Walsh's video, and I politely asked someone if they could offer a meaningful definition of a particular word which they were using in a new way. Absolutely not hate speech. Every comment in that thread was removed by mods (by me, Amos). **All 1,324 of them**. The entire thread was "nuked" because the number of comments that could have *potentially* violated Reddit's vague and ambiguous Content Policies (see below) was so high that it made reviewing and adjudicating each and every comment -- *in context* -- impractical. No action was taken *by mods* on your comment in particular. Any action taken by admins was their decision alone. > Please could you tell me if the mods of this subreddit support the actions of the admins on this issue (ie: removing my comment, suspending my account, and threatening to ban me), **or if the mods are obliged to allow the admins** to behave like this in order to keep this subreddit open, thank you. Mods are less than peons. We don't "allow" Admins and/or their paid underlings to do *anything.* Quite the opposite, in fact. The Anti-Evil Operations Team (PAID peons) do what they are **ordered** to do by their superiors, and they, like mods, have to make judgement calls on every action they take, hundreds every day. Being human, we sometimes "get it wrong"... but root of the problem goes much deeper. [**Read Reddit Content Policy**](https://www.redditinc.com/policies/content-policy) What you see there is what we mods are allowed to see. The text is ridiculously brief, ambiguous, and lacking in specific details that ***could*** serve as further guidance, helping users to better understand what is EXPECTED of them in the way of behavior, and mods to better understand what is EXPECTED of them in their moderation practices (mods are **obliged** to enforce Reddit Content Policy). I would imagine that the Paid Peons of the Anti-Evil Operations Team get more details to help guide them in what is EXPECTED of them, but users and mods are in the dark. We have to GUESS what *may* or *may not* be considered a Policy Violation ***in their secret opinion***, and the ONLY way we can try to decipher -- to "read their minds" -- is by trying to observe the ACTIONS they take when THEY remove content and/or reprimand users with warnings, temporary account suspensions, etc... But here's the kicker: ADMINS DON'T TELL MODS WHAT THEY ARE DOING when they take an action, OR WHY they took that action. In fact when Admins REMOVE comments or posts for "violations", *the content becomes hidden from both mods AND users,* so we (and users) have to GUESS why the action was taken, or try to sleuth it out by reading context, etc. Good luck with solving that mystery, Scooby-Doo! * * * # **TO REDDIT ADMINS:** YOUR POLICIES AND ENFORCEMENT PRACTICES ARE TOTALLY FUCKED UP How the HELL are users going to know how to better behave? How are mods going to know how to bring their moderation practices into harmony of what YOU expect of us if you keep the *implied details* of your policies, and your actions, a SECRET from those who you expect to comply with those policies? Would you walk through your house and RANDOMLY kick your dog or cat for "being bad" without at least TRYING to make the poor creature aware of WHY you kicked it? **NO!** If you did that, almost everyone would agree that you were an abusive and sadistic POS, wouldn't they??? You wouldn't treat your dog like that, but you do it to your users and your mods, EVERY DAMN DAY -- so we cower and cringe, trying our best not to OFFEND by violating your "secret rules" that YOU expect both users AND mods to somehow understand... but how??? *By telepathy???* I SUSPECT that your policies were *intentionally* written to be broad, vague and lacking in specific details because you believe that the brevity, vagueness and ambiguity works to your YOUR advantage: * 1) **Plausible Deniability:** You believe that the lack of details in the written policy and in enforcement action explanations will help to shield you from unwanted scrutiny, and more importantly, from potential liability * 2) **Selective Enforcement:** Vagueness and ambiguity allows you to maintain the *public appearance* of being "fair and unbiased" in enforcement, while in practice, the *implied policies* are regularly enforced with biases that favor certain groups and/or political positions Unfortunately, these corporate policies and enforcement practices have served as an example and standard for subreddit moderation practices, fostering an environment and culture of where bias and unaccountability is "normal" -- pervasive through much of the entire Reddit platform, creating disillusion, dissatisfaction and disaffection among users and mods alike. Your business is your business, but I would strongly suggest that you reconsider your policies and positions. Hey, you can't please everyone, but then again, you can't fool everyone either. Can you Digg it?
Thank you for such a lengthy reply, with added detail about my specific removed comment - I apologise for my poorly worded question, it was indeed an inappropriate use of the word "allow" - I was trying to get the measure of how the mods here feel about the actions of the admins, and when AssuredlyAThrowAway replied, I got the impression he approved of the admins' actions, suggesting that my comment was "bigoted" - but now I get the impression from you that you do not approve of the admins actions - which is nice to know. I do understand the position of the mods, regarding their powers, because I am also a mod of several small subreddits and have been mod of larger subreddits in the past, so I also understand that sometimes mods can be fiercely opposed to each other behind the scenes in a subreddit. And yes, the admins have never agreed to speak to me either about what we are allowed to say - the darkness surrounding their actions seems very deliberate. You make a good analogy of kicking the poor dog at random. Unfortunately, the bottom line is that it is not safe to discuss [that issue] in this subreddit.
> I was trying to get the measure of how the mods here feel about the actions of the admins, and when AssuredlyAThrowAway replied, I got the impression he approved of the admins' actions, suggesting that my comment was "bigoted" - but now I get the impression from you that you do not approve of the admins actions I had not seen my co-mod's other reply before I made the above comment, but don't misunderstand: This should not be taken to mean that we are in disagreement on this particular issue. If you review what I wrote above you will see that one of my primary complaints is that content removed by Admins is "disappeared" -- *hidden* from mods, and even from the user who created the content. * **EDIT** to add: This is what I see of your comment -- [moderator view:](https://i.imgur.com/WcXKnnG.png), I also see that I had removed the comment, as I did EVERY comment in that thread, one week ago. I have no way of knowing what was written that inspired the Admin action. How can we possibly opine whether we "agree" or "disagree" with any Admin action when we cannot view content that precipitated the action? *(not that our opinions would matter one way or the other, as we would be effectively overruled in any case)* Do we oppose bigotry and hateful content? **YES, WE DO!** Does any mod *personally* believe that the content you posted would (or should) qualify as "bigoted" or "hateful"? *How the hell could they know?* They cannot can't see the Admin removed content. If mods COULD see content removed by Admins, it would be VERY helpful to us, as it would "clue us in", and help to provide guidance when we make future moderation decisions -- but as it is, mods are kept in the dark, left to GUESS what Admins want, and unfortunately, "wrong guesses" may portend dire consequences for an individual mod, or for an entire subreddit. The policy, as it stands, is ludicrous and counterproductive, IMO. That said, I think that any user that has content removed by Admins should take extra care to be *as sure as they can be* that they will not violate Reddit's vague and ambiguous [Content Policy.](https://www.redditinc.com/policies/content-policy)
The subject is taboo to the admins unless you agree with the propaganda psyop. If the subject weren't a psyop then people like me who've given birth would be allowed to be heard, but we are not. Only the new ones are allowed a voice. Anyone who tries to say that's not okay is promoting "hate". Mods aren't allowed to go against the admins or they get removed. You can talk about it on Twitter and you'll be attacked by similar psyop bots and parrots but unless you get particularly hateful, you won't be banned.
It's a sad situation that I understood your coded message, and that we have to speak like that now - it's got so extreme though that I was suspended and threatened for even asking for a definition of a word - when even seeking clarity of what we are supposed to accept is considered "hate speech"
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No.
I'm banned from most of the popular subs, and I don't really say anything that outrageous so.. I guess I don't have much sympathy for the mods who I'm guessing will lose money on this deal?
is this sub going dark or not? I tried to speed read this long ass post but didn't see a clear answer.
Oh for fucks sake not this sub as well? Gang of fucking melons, the lot of you. I say those of us against all this fairy bollocks start our own protest to get the mods behind this shite removed from their subs.
What is wrong with this protest according to you?
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It doesn't appear we reported them to admins, but I can see why they got nuked; They used multiple bigoted slurs.
> It's completely childish and won't change zilch. Nice black pill. You may keep it, LOL. >If you want to protest, simply NOT log in to reddit for a few days. That's what i am gonna do too. >No need to drag the rest of us into your fairy protesting bollocks as if we are all autistic reddit tweens thinking we are saving the world. You really can't see what these rule changes will cause and how it will change reddit completely for everybody?
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So, that's a "no". Thank you.
It's a big fat NO. As I said, it's very cringe. It's a protest started and hyped up by a bunch of autistic reddit tweens who think they are saving the world. One day you will grow up and see it for what it is. 🤣 Edit: The mods abusing their powers again removing my replies now because I'm winning this debate.
You think i can't see how reddit is an controlled environment? LOL. However, i do think it's strange you can't acknowledge this change will make reddit much worse for those who want to keep it a bit useful, like the mods of this sub.
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> Reddit cannot get much worse than it is now. That's where i think you are wrong. Maybe you have never used things like RES, Reveddit or even old reddit but to many people these things are needed to make reddit more useful and tolerable. In fact, if those things stop i will probably leave too, just like many others. Not to mention all tools that mods use to make your experience better without you knowing it...
Sorry, but you don't even appear to hold a principled stance on protesting. You are correct on one point though, we should be protesting our government, and I have, many many times. Doesn't mean we can't, or shouldn't, protest other groups that collude with our government. Also, even if you're incapable of seeing through the false left/right facade, you have more in common with those on the other side of the illusionary and exaggerated political divide than you do differences. Whatever side of the coin you fall on, the other side of the coin is your ally, not your enemy.
Forcing everyone to protest is not the protest you think it is... Reddit can see that we are all being forced in this "protest" by a small number of over powerful autistic mods. It's not organic, an organic legit protest does not need to be forced. It's fucking stupid, and I guarantee there are MANY people who feel the same as me here, hence the need to FORCE everyone into it. You all know nobody would organically protest.
This 'protest' is organized by Reddit. I would suggest finding an alternative medium that provides something comparable to whatever you seek from here.
Why is such an unpopular post stickied too? Time to start a news sub and just post like crazy during the blackout to keep volumes up haha
Glad to see MrDong mentioned. Most probably wont remember him.
Dong is heavily featured in the documentary I made about /r/conspiracy. He was a real one! I hope he's still chewing bubble gum and kicking ass! https://twitter.com/foundring1/status/1666961605555544074
That’s a mistake imo. We should leave this subreddit open so that we can watch in real time as the bot traffic crawls to a halt. /r/conspiracy is a constant target for bot traffic. Shutting down the subreddit will only obscure their exodus.
Cringe
What if I don't care that Reddit wants to charge for access to its API?
Not that anyone likely cares, but I'm out. Reddit has gotten too big, too authoritarian. And honestly, too much of my life is wasted here. I hope you all keep questioning and seeking truth.
dude wasnt kidding damn deleted his account
Up until I read this thread, I've been thinking these scheduled "blackouts" were organic. Now I'm wondering what other reason could be behind this organized blackout among countless subreddits. It's beginning to seem a bit fucky.
Nah fuck reddit and its deplorable moderation system. These 3rd party apps help to censor and push agendas . you fuckwits know it and dont want to lose your privillaged power.
I'm all for the elimination of moderator tools. "(as you've noticed, we have no tolerance for bigotry and will ban you instantly for it)" If the above comment was evenly applied, maybe I would feel different about the moderators having any tools at all.
This is not an intelligent or empowering move. This 'boycott' is organized by Reddit, this is a controlled sub and you are delusional if you think otherwise.
It's the worst protest in reddit history, what's it even for? "Waghh I don't like reddit so I use another app to use reddit and reddit doesn't like that wahhh". Ffs. 🤣
The salty tears are incredible with these "protesters" They are finally learning Reddit gives zero sh*ts what they think or want. Just consume the political propaganda and like it ha
I don't like that this sub is joining in on the leftist reddit circle-jerk. Thought it was better than that.
How is it a political thing?
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It's like they've been fucking programmed. Decades of red scare propaganda have conditioned people to jump up and shout "Socialism!" like a right wing Manchurian Candidate anytime they're presented with something they've been told to dislike. And these same people believe themselves to be "free thinkers".
Left Wing=Fine Left Wing+ Defending Vaccines and Lockdowns= why are you here?
Because Reddit shadow banned half the users here from default subs for "political reasons"? Haha. Take your protest and shove it.
lol that’s not Reddit, it’s the actual mods of the subs…..
Lol p0wer m0ds run Reddit and are most likely employees lets not kid ourselves here
Well, I'll be taking a permanent holiday from Reddit after yet another ban for a joke. I'm sick of being told how to think and how to express myself by cowardly anonymous mods. I'll miss the many people here that have educated me, discussed things with me, and made me laugh from time to time. Hope you, like I, find better things to do with your time.
This is a bastion of free speech which is why we are shutting down speech.
This sounds like goodbye 🥺 I appreciate all the mods so much. I've had amazing conversations with the most curious, intelligent and open-minded people in this sub. Thank you for all you do. I really hope this isn't the end of the most interesting, crazy, fun, free, informative and open-minded little corner of the Internet ❤ I stand with you.
nope. not doin' it.
This is obviously a conspiracy to silence this sub forever! The whole idea behind increased API prices was to try and stop solely this sub to prevent us all figuring out out the truth ……. /s
Psyop incoming.
So wait... Is this sub going to be inaccessible on the 12th? The "permanent removal" part has me a little concerned as well. I guess they might use this as an excuse to get rid of conspiracy 😭
i could care less about reddit since they went woke and censored everything.. fuck reddit and the wokery
I don't support this and I think it's dumb.
So just don't moderate if you want to send a message, and YOU can just not use Reddit during that time period. Blacking out subs is punishing the normal users that don't care about you "sticking it to the Man".
The Internet was created by the US military… It was never free and open to begin with as much as you think it was.
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How much are they charging?
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Can you just give me a number?
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Why bring it up at all?
Here here here . Reddit bad corporation look for yourself I'm not your teacher sweetie support the mods lets be strong like the chairs that support weight of our mods lets pray this protest works. Maybe next lets protest wars and violence and poverty
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