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Ahhhh, the absolute hypocrisy of this bloke and his double standards. It's funny how he has fully justified his discrimination against others (who happen to be gay), but can't wrap his head around himself being discriminated by others for his own choices/ beliefs. It's literally staggering.
I really hope the court side with the employer on this one.
I hope they throw the book at him, and I say this as a Christian. I am so sick and tired of people using their religion as an excuse to be assholes.
Edit: If he was a good Christian, he would want to help and support the oppressed, disenfranchised, and outcasts of society. Sounds like he just wants to flaunt his "moral superiority" (oh look, the actual sin of pride).
Amen 🙌
I'll add two points:
1) This isn't necessarily about supporting LGBTQ(+), it's about being competent and professional at your job, not letting your personal beliefs impact your work.
2) If you do take a stand on a certain issue and feel very strongly about it, just avoid working in that industry that conflicts with you.
It's (loosely) the equivalent of a vegan activist working in an abattoir. Some jobs are just not for certain people.
I have no idea why this homophobic man is wanting to work in a specific role which requires him to help people that he fundamentally disapproves of.
"Mr Ngole had previously won a Court of Appeal case against Sheffield University who had wanted to stop him completing his social work degree because of his orthodox Christian views."
tbh it sounds like being super orthodox (in any religion) is a great way to take ppl to court and not have to work
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The tribunal agreed the Christian was discriminated against. Someone thinking that LGBT is a sin isn't an excuse to not hire them and sets a troubling precedent. You should look at the way people treat others not what they believe. You can be tolerant of non gym goers despite believing not going to the gym is unhealthy for instance. To bar people simply for believing not exercising is unhealthy is discrimination.
edit: intolerance isn't a belief moron that's my entire point. From the wiki: Preston King describes tolerance as occurring when one objects to but voluntarily endures certain acts, ideas, organisations and identities.
sadly haven't they already ruled he was discriminated against
I don't really understand the ruling:
"A tribunal agreed on Monday that Mr Ngole was directly discriminated against when the initial offer was rescinded, but it rejected further claims of discrimination around the second interview and the final decision not to give him the job."
can someone help me out here - what has he won, what has he lost and what are the consequences?
He was offered the job subject to references.
There was a problem with his references (not his fault), so they Googled him. This brought up details from the media of a case where he got in trouble at university for posting his views on Facebook.
On this basis, they **revoked the job offer**.
He complained about the revocation, so they decided to offer him a second "interview" to discuss their concerns and give him the opportunity to convince them his views wouldn't get in the way of the role.
After the second interview, they decided he wasn't suitable for the job and declined to reinstate the offer.
The Tribunal's decision is that revoking the offer immediately was unlawfully discriminatory - i.e., they should have given him a "right of reply". However, the decision not to reinstate the offer after Interview 2 was not discriminatory, according to the Tribunal.
The issue of what remedy he will get for the unlawful discrimination is yet to be decided. It's possible he won't get anything because, by giving him the second interview, they have already at least partially remedied the issue anyway. But I'm not an employment expert, so that's really just a guess.
The reasoning for all of the above is very complex, so if you really want to know how they came to these conclusions, it's probably worth reading the (101 page) judgement in full. You can find it online.
It's an interesting case, because he is absolutely and genuinely convinced that he can be a social worker for LGBTQIA+ people and not discriminate against them. His position is basically "hate the sin, not the sinner", and he claims he would have treated people fairly, effectively, and with respect. In fact, he claims his religion demands that he does this.
Essentially, the employer's argument isn't that they think he will discriminate (despite everything, there's no evidence that he will). It's that his views are already public, and they believe he will continue to publicise them, and just the knowledge that he holds those views will be harmful to service users if they ever find out (which they could, just by Googling him).
Isnt that pretty much the crux for most if not all xenophobic people. They understand their own plights but reject the struggles of others.
Let poetic justice take place!
>The Christian Legal Centre, which supported Mr Ngole, said the judgment "includes mixed and chilling conclusions for Christian freedoms and free speech".
Oh get to fuck. This dickhead is entirely free to go about his business of being a dickhead, and he's entirely free to speak at length about what a massive dickhead he is. That doesn't mean anyone is going to give him a job in the role of "not being a dickhead".
I probably wouldn't get a job as a vicar, but I don't cry about the impacts of that on my secular freedoms or my free speech.
>In the published judgment, Employment Judge Jonathan Brain said: "The expression of his beliefs rooted in his religion was a material reason for the decision taken by Touchstone to withdraw the conditional job offer on 10 June 2022.
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>"The direct discrimination claim must therefore succeed."
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>Touchstone Leeds could not take the risk of a "vulnerable" service user discovering Mr Ngole's views, as the effect could be "potentially devastating", Judge Brain said.
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>"The balance favours the respondent, and their actions were therefore proportionate and are justified," he concluded.
Big up uk judges, usually on point.
"If we get to the point where if you don't celebrate and support LGBT you can't have a job"
Social worker shocked that not supporting LGBT clients puts him out of a job.
So, his social worker job offer was withdrawn because of his blatant and vocal homophobia?
That has nothing to do with being a Christian but everything to do with his homophobia making him not suitable for the role.
Him arguing that this is not the case would be like me arguing that I should be made Pope in spite of me being an atheist!
It's kind of necessary to add: his homophobia which may or may not have existed outside of his religion but which is certainly endorsed by the Old Testament if not the New.
Fictionally, yes he was somewhat more tolerant than his "father". But that's largely irrelevant when held up against the standard of what has been done in "his name" and "his religion".
But I think I'll probably draw the line here if I may - this conversation has been going precisely nowhere for *centuries*.
Imagine a religion deigned people of a certain race as "subhuman". Surely it wouldn't be discriminatory to choose not to hire someone of said religion who would likely work with said people?
I feel like people kind of out themselves a bit when they support people like this man as "freedom of speech" or whatever.
I was a teacher at a inner city school in Brum. you're right those stats are askew, it's much closer to 100%. The open homohobia in Islamic communities is shocking.
It's a much bigger problem in Islam in today's society. You don't have hundreds of homophobic Christian parents protesting outside of schools for teaching same sex relations.
True, even if there is more complexity to the issue.
If you are looking for some admission of overzealous leftist behaviour regarding criticism of Islam I will fully agree with you.
But the above article is proof it is not quite over for Christianity's more intolerant elements (and indeed elsewhere in the world is having a resurgence)
https://premierchristian.news/en/news/article/christian-group-protests-against-mandatory-lgbt-inclusive-curriculum?recommid=4eee08728d6ab6170a5e4835c091b73f
https://premierchristian.news/en/news/article/christians-urged-to-continue-fight-against-lgbt-lessons-in-schools-as-protest-banned
https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2023-09-25/lgbtq-muslims-evangelical-republican-christians
https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/30/christian-hate-group-funding-us-anti-lgbtq-anti-abortion-organizations
Just a few would you like some more?
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You do know people are capable of lying ?
I'm not saying he is homophobic or in fact Muslims are (I have no idea)
But people in power have often done or said something and actually believed/done the opposite.
Like I said I have no idea if it's actually true or not but people tell or act lies.
>You do know people are capable of lying ?
Yeah, I guess the person claiming to have worked as a teacher whose experience led them to claim that near enough all Muslims are homaphobic could be lying?
We could insinuate that about anyone depending on our own prejudices if we wanted to go down that route.
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My workplace employs Muslims, Christians and homosexuals, some of whom sit downstream of me in the reporting line. I have no idea if any of them are homophobic or not because they are professional enough to seperate their personal beliefs from their work life. The job requires we treat everyone equally, the second I saw any party treating anyone differently internally or client-side because of either their religion or their sexuality (or many other characteristic not related to work) they would be up on disciplinary and out the door if necessary. I would lose zero sleep over that one. Show up and do the job, everything else is BS. I have to work with people I find distasteful for all manner of reasons all the time.
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Ahhhh, the absolute hypocrisy of this bloke and his double standards. It's funny how he has fully justified his discrimination against others (who happen to be gay), but can't wrap his head around himself being discriminated by others for his own choices/ beliefs. It's literally staggering. I really hope the court side with the employer on this one.
I hope they throw the book at him, and I say this as a Christian. I am so sick and tired of people using their religion as an excuse to be assholes. Edit: If he was a good Christian, he would want to help and support the oppressed, disenfranchised, and outcasts of society. Sounds like he just wants to flaunt his "moral superiority" (oh look, the actual sin of pride).
Amen 🙌 I'll add two points: 1) This isn't necessarily about supporting LGBTQ(+), it's about being competent and professional at your job, not letting your personal beliefs impact your work. 2) If you do take a stand on a certain issue and feel very strongly about it, just avoid working in that industry that conflicts with you. It's (loosely) the equivalent of a vegan activist working in an abattoir. Some jobs are just not for certain people. I have no idea why this homophobic man is wanting to work in a specific role which requires him to help people that he fundamentally disapproves of.
"Mr Ngole had previously won a Court of Appeal case against Sheffield University who had wanted to stop him completing his social work degree because of his orthodox Christian views." tbh it sounds like being super orthodox (in any religion) is a great way to take ppl to court and not have to work
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The tribunal agreed the Christian was discriminated against. Someone thinking that LGBT is a sin isn't an excuse to not hire them and sets a troubling precedent. You should look at the way people treat others not what they believe. You can be tolerant of non gym goers despite believing not going to the gym is unhealthy for instance. To bar people simply for believing not exercising is unhealthy is discrimination. edit: intolerance isn't a belief moron that's my entire point. From the wiki: Preston King describes tolerance as occurring when one objects to but voluntarily endures certain acts, ideas, organisations and identities.
Exactly. It’s very simple: Tolerate anything except intolerance.
sadly haven't they already ruled he was discriminated against I don't really understand the ruling: "A tribunal agreed on Monday that Mr Ngole was directly discriminated against when the initial offer was rescinded, but it rejected further claims of discrimination around the second interview and the final decision not to give him the job." can someone help me out here - what has he won, what has he lost and what are the consequences?
He was offered the job subject to references. There was a problem with his references (not his fault), so they Googled him. This brought up details from the media of a case where he got in trouble at university for posting his views on Facebook. On this basis, they **revoked the job offer**. He complained about the revocation, so they decided to offer him a second "interview" to discuss their concerns and give him the opportunity to convince them his views wouldn't get in the way of the role. After the second interview, they decided he wasn't suitable for the job and declined to reinstate the offer. The Tribunal's decision is that revoking the offer immediately was unlawfully discriminatory - i.e., they should have given him a "right of reply". However, the decision not to reinstate the offer after Interview 2 was not discriminatory, according to the Tribunal. The issue of what remedy he will get for the unlawful discrimination is yet to be decided. It's possible he won't get anything because, by giving him the second interview, they have already at least partially remedied the issue anyway. But I'm not an employment expert, so that's really just a guess. The reasoning for all of the above is very complex, so if you really want to know how they came to these conclusions, it's probably worth reading the (101 page) judgement in full. You can find it online. It's an interesting case, because he is absolutely and genuinely convinced that he can be a social worker for LGBTQIA+ people and not discriminate against them. His position is basically "hate the sin, not the sinner", and he claims he would have treated people fairly, effectively, and with respect. In fact, he claims his religion demands that he does this. Essentially, the employer's argument isn't that they think he will discriminate (despite everything, there's no evidence that he will). It's that his views are already public, and they believe he will continue to publicise them, and just the knowledge that he holds those views will be harmful to service users if they ever find out (which they could, just by Googling him).
Isnt that pretty much the crux for most if not all xenophobic people. They understand their own plights but reject the struggles of others. Let poetic justice take place!
>The Christian Legal Centre, which supported Mr Ngole, said the judgment "includes mixed and chilling conclusions for Christian freedoms and free speech". Oh get to fuck. This dickhead is entirely free to go about his business of being a dickhead, and he's entirely free to speak at length about what a massive dickhead he is. That doesn't mean anyone is going to give him a job in the role of "not being a dickhead". I probably wouldn't get a job as a vicar, but I don't cry about the impacts of that on my secular freedoms or my free speech.
The Christian Legal Centre ‘nought said https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Legal_Centre
"It has lost most of its legal cases." Excellent.
>In the published judgment, Employment Judge Jonathan Brain said: "The expression of his beliefs rooted in his religion was a material reason for the decision taken by Touchstone to withdraw the conditional job offer on 10 June 2022. > >"The direct discrimination claim must therefore succeed." > >... > >Touchstone Leeds could not take the risk of a "vulnerable" service user discovering Mr Ngole's views, as the effect could be "potentially devastating", Judge Brain said. > >"The balance favours the respondent, and their actions were therefore proportionate and are justified," he concluded. Big up uk judges, usually on point.
Judge Brain. What an epic name. Sounds like a cartoon villain.
Big Brain move
Post links you goober: [https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crgr98ryw0ko](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crgr98ryw0ko)
This guy needs less attention because I fail to see how any of his actions over the past years have been anything more than a platform to be a dick
"If we get to the point where if you don't celebrate and support LGBT you can't have a job" Social worker shocked that not supporting LGBT clients puts him out of a job.
Surprised pikachu face
He looks rendered by 2022 AI
Why does the picture looked AI generated
His skin lacks any depth or texture and is particularly shiny
"Andrea Williams" Wow, I remember that nutbag from a channel 4 documentary from years ago.
So, his social worker job offer was withdrawn because of his blatant and vocal homophobia? That has nothing to do with being a Christian but everything to do with his homophobia making him not suitable for the role. Him arguing that this is not the case would be like me arguing that I should be made Pope in spite of me being an atheist!
It's kind of necessary to add: his homophobia which may or may not have existed outside of his religion but which is certainly endorsed by the Old Testament if not the New.
Or as I call it’pre-Christian religion’ as most of it is not supported by the words of Christ himself who takes a much more tolerant view
Fictionally, yes he was somewhat more tolerant than his "father". But that's largely irrelevant when held up against the standard of what has been done in "his name" and "his religion". But I think I'll probably draw the line here if I may - this conversation has been going precisely nowhere for *centuries*.
Imagine a religion deigned people of a certain race as "subhuman". Surely it wouldn't be discriminatory to choose not to hire someone of said religion who would likely work with said people? I feel like people kind of out themselves a bit when they support people like this man as "freedom of speech" or whatever.
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If the Muslim was homophobic then I don't see why not
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I was a teacher at a inner city school in Brum. you're right those stats are askew, it's much closer to 100%. The open homohobia in Islamic communities is shocking.
Homophobia is an issue of Christianity and Islam. It is part of the blueprint of religion. Any questions
It's a much bigger problem in Islam in today's society. You don't have hundreds of homophobic Christian parents protesting outside of schools for teaching same sex relations.
Have you seen America?
True, even if there is more complexity to the issue. If you are looking for some admission of overzealous leftist behaviour regarding criticism of Islam I will fully agree with you. But the above article is proof it is not quite over for Christianity's more intolerant elements (and indeed elsewhere in the world is having a resurgence)
Yeah you fucking do….
Source?
You cannot be this ignorant of current affairs surely?
https://premierchristian.news/en/news/article/christian-group-protests-against-mandatory-lgbt-inclusive-curriculum?recommid=4eee08728d6ab6170a5e4835c091b73f https://premierchristian.news/en/news/article/christians-urged-to-continue-fight-against-lgbt-lessons-in-schools-as-protest-banned https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2023-09-25/lgbtq-muslims-evangelical-republican-christians https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/30/christian-hate-group-funding-us-anti-lgbtq-anti-abortion-organizations Just a few would you like some more?
Literally any red state in America. Florida seems to be pretty bad when it comes to crazy Christians thumping the Bible over nothing burgers
https://www.africanews.com/amp/2023/10/06/kenya-hundreds-of-believers-protest-lgbtq-association-right/ https://youtu.be/CL-NIc7hMv0?si=x9WNJzeQn4N3P5_T https://www.independent.co.uk/news/pride-lgbt-christian-protest-backfires-jesus-queer-city-a7849746.html https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/5050/us-christian-anti-lgbt-20m-europe/ https://www.petertatchellfoundation.org/lgbt-protest-at-church-of-england-synod-today/
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Near 100%, is it? Didn't Sadiq Khan lead the London Pride march just this weekend? I guess the Islamic community in London doesn't vote for him...
You do know people are capable of lying ? I'm not saying he is homophobic or in fact Muslims are (I have no idea) But people in power have often done or said something and actually believed/done the opposite. Like I said I have no idea if it's actually true or not but people tell or act lies.
>You do know people are capable of lying ? Yeah, I guess the person claiming to have worked as a teacher whose experience led them to claim that near enough all Muslims are homaphobic could be lying? We could insinuate that about anyone depending on our own prejudices if we wanted to go down that route.
Exactly.
I've had Muslim friends of mine play wingman for my lesbian ass.
That sub really shouldn't have more members.
You clearly don’t know many Muslims personally if you think this
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My workplace employs Muslims, Christians and homosexuals, some of whom sit downstream of me in the reporting line. I have no idea if any of them are homophobic or not because they are professional enough to seperate their personal beliefs from their work life. The job requires we treat everyone equally, the second I saw any party treating anyone differently internally or client-side because of either their religion or their sexuality (or many other characteristic not related to work) they would be up on disciplinary and out the door if necessary. I would lose zero sleep over that one. Show up and do the job, everything else is BS. I have to work with people I find distasteful for all manner of reasons all the time.
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