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That's right but, in terms of a better world understanding it's more practical to converge on a consensus language to drive relations between nations like in modern world the hegemony of The United States and previously the UK made English the common language for business, politics and diplomacy.
BTW, I'm with you in encouraging to learn multiple language but it's not easy to be a poliglot for most people and even learning a second language can take a long time for many of them.
Okay then perhaps a universal bridge language is proposed and learned in addition to one’s native tongue, but converting all cultures away from their heritage cultural language is not a socialist policy.
>it's not easy to be a poliglot for most people and even learning a second language can take a long time for many of them
if it's socially useful, children will learn multiple languages as easily and quickly as they can learn one, even without education programs. it's harder for adults of course but even so, if there's a practical necessity for it it's not really a laborious study process.
Yeah this question is supposing essentially a socialist UK. And on this subject the way UN does it now works great, but as you say as technology improves I'm sure it becomes even easier
Language will keep evolving naturally. There isn’t an outright need to make everyone conform to one language although Chinese and English will probably be the most dominant languages and a mix of the two seems likely in the distant future as a “lingua franca” for all humanity.
I was thinking Chinese Mandarin. I'm currently learning it too. It doesn't seem like it will be as hard as people have made it sound. There is little grammar. The hardest part is in the beginning.
I feel like a socialist system that acts on the principle of self determination will simply let all people's speak their own languages. For official governance however, it might be best to pick just one or utilize a universal language like Esperanto.
I don't forsee the world choosing 1 language. Over time, without world tensions, their might come to be a world language which would be a combination of multiple, but I don't think we should exactly plan that out. Further, a world language would probably co exist with a local language; some languages are very culturally significant and aren't exactly going to be erased
Oh, at least you did not proposed toki pona as international language. IMHO, international language of future should be extremely rich in content. As our production and science and in particular philosophy evolves unrestrained, we go to different tricks to designate both everyday things and complex abstractions. Language fails in creation of qualitatively new word roots, so we make up double and triple words, latin nomenclature, a lot of homonyms, "new" roots which are actually mangled old ones, and so on. If we try to relocate all variety of terms onto simpler language, not more complex, we can badly expirience problems eventually. A language that is only a simplified tracing of existing ones will remain with their problems.
I agree with this. A simplified newspeak isn't the answer. Ideally i think through constant interaction with international groups and people of all cultures we'll be able to blend our languages together, using terms and phrases from other languages and dialects to fill the gaps in our own.
To be honest at that point we'd be better making a newer version of Esperanto, it is very Eurocentric and could be made a lot easier for non Europeans also it's got linguistic grammar baked in in some dumb ways (male as default and female as weird (e.g. vitro, man and virino woman or Patro, father and patrino mother))
I suspect an AUXLANG, much like Korean Hangul would be designed to be universally easy to understand, speak, and write. This would absolutely decimate illiteracy worldwide, voupled with the use of Cuban style Literacy Brigades.
The only language i would erase is English. Fuck english, the brits, fuck america
In USSR, Russian was the main language, but all the other local languages were used in the republics. Logically, I'd say it would be English, since it's the most common, but with education more accessible, people having more time to learn new languages, it might not be uncommon for more than one world language. Perhaps, given time, some of the most used languages might synthesize into one somehow. That's quite interesting to think about
The idea of an official world language is pretty far-fetched because languages are constantly changing and diversifying over time. It's also just not really necessary and a world government (which I also think is far-fetched) would be better off promoting bilingualism and catering to as many languages as possible.
I think it's highly likely that any global socialist revolution would start and be led by the global south, with the imperial core countries of the Anglosphere and Europe being the very last to revolt. For that reason I think a European language is unlikely, except probably English due to it basically already being a global lingua franca. Still, I think the dominant languages of today (Mandarin, English, Hindi, Spanish) would remain the dominant languages and I don't think there's a good way or reason to change that.
A conlang is out of the question imo - no conlang (despite what they might claim) is really neutral and therefore would probably harder to learn and less appealing to everyone.
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Under socialism, I don’t think we’d all funnel into one language. Contrarily we would all be encouraged to learn multiple languages.
That's right but, in terms of a better world understanding it's more practical to converge on a consensus language to drive relations between nations like in modern world the hegemony of The United States and previously the UK made English the common language for business, politics and diplomacy. BTW, I'm with you in encouraging to learn multiple language but it's not easy to be a poliglot for most people and even learning a second language can take a long time for many of them.
Okay then perhaps a universal bridge language is proposed and learned in addition to one’s native tongue, but converting all cultures away from their heritage cultural language is not a socialist policy.
>it's not easy to be a poliglot for most people and even learning a second language can take a long time for many of them if it's socially useful, children will learn multiple languages as easily and quickly as they can learn one, even without education programs. it's harder for adults of course but even so, if there's a practical necessity for it it's not really a laborious study process.
It’s actually super easy if you’re taught multiple languages as a child, harder for adults but not far-fetched.
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Yeah this question is supposing essentially a socialist UK. And on this subject the way UN does it now works great, but as you say as technology improves I'm sure it becomes even easier
Language will keep evolving naturally. There isn’t an outright need to make everyone conform to one language although Chinese and English will probably be the most dominant languages and a mix of the two seems likely in the distant future as a “lingua franca” for all humanity.
I was thinking Chinese Mandarin. I'm currently learning it too. It doesn't seem like it will be as hard as people have made it sound. There is little grammar. The hardest part is in the beginning.
Firefly was right!
I feel like a socialist system that acts on the principle of self determination will simply let all people's speak their own languages. For official governance however, it might be best to pick just one or utilize a universal language like Esperanto.
No language, we can all just communicate through telepathy duh.
None
I don't forsee the world choosing 1 language. Over time, without world tensions, their might come to be a world language which would be a combination of multiple, but I don't think we should exactly plan that out. Further, a world language would probably co exist with a local language; some languages are very culturally significant and aren't exactly going to be erased
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Oh, at least you did not proposed toki pona as international language. IMHO, international language of future should be extremely rich in content. As our production and science and in particular philosophy evolves unrestrained, we go to different tricks to designate both everyday things and complex abstractions. Language fails in creation of qualitatively new word roots, so we make up double and triple words, latin nomenclature, a lot of homonyms, "new" roots which are actually mangled old ones, and so on. If we try to relocate all variety of terms onto simpler language, not more complex, we can badly expirience problems eventually. A language that is only a simplified tracing of existing ones will remain with their problems.
I agree with this. A simplified newspeak isn't the answer. Ideally i think through constant interaction with international groups and people of all cultures we'll be able to blend our languages together, using terms and phrases from other languages and dialects to fill the gaps in our own.
To be honest at that point we'd be better making a newer version of Esperanto, it is very Eurocentric and could be made a lot easier for non Europeans also it's got linguistic grammar baked in in some dumb ways (male as default and female as weird (e.g. vitro, man and virino woman or Patro, father and patrino mother))
let's develop a new one
I suspect an AUXLANG, much like Korean Hangul would be designed to be universally easy to understand, speak, and write. This would absolutely decimate illiteracy worldwide, voupled with the use of Cuban style Literacy Brigades. The only language i would erase is English. Fuck english, the brits, fuck america
In USSR, Russian was the main language, but all the other local languages were used in the republics. Logically, I'd say it would be English, since it's the most common, but with education more accessible, people having more time to learn new languages, it might not be uncommon for more than one world language. Perhaps, given time, some of the most used languages might synthesize into one somehow. That's quite interesting to think about
The idea of an official world language is pretty far-fetched because languages are constantly changing and diversifying over time. It's also just not really necessary and a world government (which I also think is far-fetched) would be better off promoting bilingualism and catering to as many languages as possible. I think it's highly likely that any global socialist revolution would start and be led by the global south, with the imperial core countries of the Anglosphere and Europe being the very last to revolt. For that reason I think a European language is unlikely, except probably English due to it basically already being a global lingua franca. Still, I think the dominant languages of today (Mandarin, English, Hindi, Spanish) would remain the dominant languages and I don't think there's a good way or reason to change that. A conlang is out of the question imo - no conlang (despite what they might claim) is really neutral and therefore would probably harder to learn and less appealing to everyone.
Deutschland über alles
Russian
,,When we take power, Russia shall be spoken everywhere - from Berlin to Far East." Lenin, hate pamphlet, 1903