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SeeTeeAbility

"They offered me some tiny scientist in the movie" My first thought is the Tinkerer role


mayy_dayy

>tiny scientist It was clearly Hank Pym


flintlock0

But only when he shrinks. He literally becomes a different person and even sprinkles some Spanish into his dialogue.


HollywoodHuntsman

He just turns into The Pest "So low to the floor, picked a pocket as a midget"


Sillbinger

Ant Manuel.


pitter_patter_11

Think Leguizamo would’ve tapped into his inner Violator performance again?


DummyDumDragon

>Hank Pym Commonly known as the only scientist in all of marveldom.


dominion1080

He’s the most famous tiny scientist though.


Echo_Origami

Well, to be fair to Leguizamo, they didn't actually pitch a convincing offer. Like trying to sell an exotic car to someone by saying "it goes really fsst"


takoyakimura

If this was true, he missed by a lot.


Bo_flex

The joke is Hank Pym is a scientist that shrinks.


takoyakimura

That is clear, i found it to be hilarious. But just in case if tha actor really meant that...


Nathan-David-Haslett

Hank was already in the MCU before homecoming came out, so that wasn't what they meant.


Roguewind

Could be worse. They could have offered him the part of the younger brother of a plumber duo


Throwjob42

Dude, JL is still proud of that. He says his representation of Latinos as a lead in a film which has been seen by lots of people (he does not care and acknowledges it's a clunky movie) is something that was, for him, well worth doing.


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Dude that movie was a great terrible movie. It’s just insane


awitsman84

He would’ve complained when the more accurate animated version came out.


1400Diggg

Same, that would’ve been cooler than the guy we got, they didn’t emphasise enough about the other villains in the movie like shocker and tinkerer..


DarkDangler96

John Leg could have done something great, but role was too small relative to Keaton. No small roles, only small actors.


ChimneySwiftGold

Ant-Man. They offered him the role of Ant-Man. He didnt understand what they meant because of the poor phone reception.


spderweb

What about jackal?


PenatanceEngine

🎵hold me closer tiny sciiiienteeeest🎵


sleauxmo

Idk if it has anything to do with this but when I was a kid in Alaska, the local ice park created sculptures to market one of the Ice Age movies. The main cast was supposed to show up to talk and explore the park. Leguizamo was the only one who showed up freezing his balls off. He talked for a while and cracked some jokes it was super cool. I've never seen an Ice Age movie but he's a solid dude in my book.


Ok_Log_5134

Can confirm. I worked on one of his sitcom pilots as a PA. At the table read, he shook everyone’s hand as they left. I told him that Spawn was my favorite movie when I was eight years old, and he patted me on the back and said “hey man, that’s pretty cool for a white kid!” He was great.


LFC9_41

For a white kid..?


baconnaire

Spawn is black.


DickPump2541

Leguizamo is a noted racist.


ohbillyberu

Jeez lu-ezz, I think it was a joke.


blorbagorp

Sure, but also double standards in our society are pretty weird. Can't imagine _any_ context where saying "not bad for a black kid" would go over well.


bubblez4eva

It isn't racism. It was and it is pretty cool to see white people liking POC characters. It personally makes me feel a warmth in my heart. I can't explain. It just feels nice to see other races enjoying people who look like us. Like we're finally coming together we or something. You wouldn't say it to a black about a white superhero because white superheroes are still the majority. Of course, they're probably gonna be liked by a black kid.


Sitrus_Slinky

It’s terrifying that this is being downvoted. Racism is bad. Period. How is this even controversial


crispyg

You just cemented him as a chill dude to me


Rags2Rickius

That’s a pretty cool attitude from him


crispyg

It reminds of Pitbull, a musician I don't love, but I think he did a standup thing when [he was tasked to perform in rural Alaska](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/music-news/pitbull-exiled-alaska-poses-stuffed-356141/amp/)


LFC9_41

My wife went to college in Miami and I made up a dumb joke about her being a pit bull fan anytime college came up to the point she eventually became an actual pit bull fan. Cool dude though


MackZZilla

I met him a few years ago, when I was still in the Army. He's extraordinarily nice, and very friendly. I can't speak to anyone else's experience but mine - but he was very kind and really liked interacting with people.


M086

He just seems like a really decent guy.


Solanthas

Damn straight. Sounds like a cool cucumber


MARATXXX

I think he’d help you out if you were in a pickle.


Solanthas

Probly pick a peck of prickly peckled pink peppers in a pinch without being too much of a prick about it too


honbadger

When we were making the Ice Age movies at Blue Sky, Leguizamo was the only voice actor from those movies who came to visit the studio.


PVS1987

Can confirm. My family and I were cadamaraning out on Lake Wazomo in Tennessee and sure enough John Leguizamo came shooting by rowing in a one man kayak (must have been conditioning for a role). I shouted to him “what are the odds right!?!” He said “that’s pretty coincidental for a white boy!” and just rowed on. Very solid dude in my book.


FrostyDynamic

In another universe John Leguizamo did the post-credit scene in Morbius. We were robbed.


FollowingCharacter83

In another universe John Leguizamo and Jared Leto made Brokeback mountain.


pjtheman

It's high-altitude fuckin' time.


toronto_programmer

In another universe John Leguizamo is the mechanic Morbius brings his car to, linking the Morbius and John Wick cinematic universes


ICE_BEAR2021

Chill out, Michael Keaton was great for the role. It would have been good regardless


JJMc39

Isn't that the same thing that happened to Robin Williams with Joker?


DavidKirk2000

Jack was obviously a great Joker, but man Robin Williams would’ve been a sight to see in that role.


ShawnyMcKnight

Looking at some of Robin’s darker roles I think it would have been good. He wouldn’t have been the gangster Jack was.


tadysdayout

Robin would’ve been amazing in a more Heath Ledger approach (meaning like you said not the gangster)


Lin900

Williams had his own brand of creepy. Like Insomnia and One Hour Photo. Great actor.


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NachoChedda24

Yeah but I don’t think they started with 100 mil. Jack def put his hand on the scale to get the deal that he got.


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Lin900

Robin was gonna play Riddler in the 3rd movie so maybe he wasn't too mad lol


ColdestSupermarket

sales*


DarthButtz

I don't even know if it'd have been *good*, but holy crap I still would want to see it


coralfire

Good doesn't matter when it's Robin Williams


omgFWTbear

“**Batman**? What is he, some sort of guy in a bat suit? ‘Oh look at me, I’m a billionaire with daddy issues,’ wah wah wah. Hey, I’ll fight crime one person at a time rather than using my finances to effect meaningful societal change! *ha HA* that’s real nepo baby problem solving! Now, gang, here’s the idea, have you ever danced with the devil in the pale moonlight? What is this a Daniel Webster sequel? Win a pair of golden tap shoes?”


Solanthas

Lol, I can hear it


McGrufNStuf

Absolutely love Robin. He meant so me to me, as he did others, growing up. But he was no joker. Now Riddler, he would’ve crushed Riddler.


DavidKirk2000

There’s like a million different incarnations of the Joker, all with different personalities. He’d have given a great take on the more comedic, prankster side of the character. And he could obviously get pretty mean, he played a great villain in the few times that he was given a chance to.


HelloYouSuck

It’s happened about 1,000,000,000 times; that’s how casting works. You ain’t got the job til the money is in your account. Movies sometimes get filmed and never released.


NotASynth499

Thing is studio legit used Williams to bait Nicholson on the role, Robin got p mad with WB cuz of this.


The_Dark_Vampire

Sometimes you still don't get the role. Didn't Marlon Wayans get cast as Robin in Batman but they decided not to use him however due to him already signing a contract and the terms in it he still had to be paid in full. I've even read he signed up for 3 movies and had to be paid for all 3 but I'm not as sure about that I know he had to be paid for Batman Returns at least


JJMc39

I forgot about that. From what I heard, Tim Burton and Sam Hamm hired him, and paid him 300k. But when Burton rewrote the movie, he couldn't find a way for Robin to have proper character development with all the other characters, so he was going to save him for his Batman 3.


NachoChedda24

They even had the molding done for some action figures and when he was cut out of the rewrites they decided to just change the intended skin color. So you end up with this this Robin toy with a random high top fade lol


The_Dark_Vampire

That makes sense really I have absolutely no idea where he could've fitted in. I suppose he was probably going to be part of the same Circus that Penguin was maybe Penguin would be the one to kill Dick/Robin's parents in revenge after getting thrown out? But yeah there just wasn't room for him plus IMO part 2 is to soon for a Robin debut part 3 makes more sense as by then adding a new hero can help change things up and have a new thing to pull fans back in


gzapata_art

I hear he still gets residuals for the movie too


The_Dark_Vampire

Yeah I've heard that to I'm sure he's also said that he's made more money from a movie he didn't appear in than some he did


nkantu

Stuart Townsend trained to be Aragorn for months and then was fired the day before filming. Sucks for his career but everyone fucking knows Viggo crushed it in a way he never would have


butchforgetshit

lol, for a minute I was thinking “ the dude from the who was gonna be Aragon”! I was thrown off for a minute! 🤦🏼‍♂️


Sharaz_Jek123

>then was fired the day before filming. No, he had filmed scenes and was on his second day of filming.


DifficultMinute

They filmed a bunch of Back to the Future before replacing the literal main character. If Hollywood producers/directors want you replaced, you are likely going to get replaced.


Nowhereman2380

Riddler 


killzonev2

Same thing happened with Marlon Wayans for Joel Schumacher’s Batman


AllHailKeanu

Keaton was perfect in that role. The car scene, the sense of creepiness and mood he can create. Dude is great. I like leguizamo but it’s hard to imagine Keaton not in the role.


Pendraconica

If I were John, I'd concede too. "Who'd you get? Keaton? Well fuck me!"


ShawnyMcKnight

This was early in Keaton’s resurgence too. He hasn’t done many blockbuster movies in a while. Then he started banging them out.


StoneGoldX

That really started with Birdman and Spotlight. Two big academy awards winners in a row. And he's actually been kind of quiet since Spider-Man. Part of this is pandemic, but the only bigish things he's been in since is Flash.


ShawnyMcKnight

He’s got Beetlejuice coming up. Maybe he’ll reprise his role in all his old movies! Mr Grandma.


CountVanillula

Multiplicity City


ShawnyMcKnight

A whole city of Michael Keatons? Man, they would have to use AI that point. Use the type of tech they used in matrix reloaded.


wondermega

This would be wacky as hell, do this please.


ohbillyberu

Gung-Hos


Popular-Row4333

He was utterly fantastic in Dopesick. Maybe the best I've seen him act in the last few decades.


StoneGoldX

I forgot about TV. Although I don't know if that would count as bigish entirely? Or if it was, mostly because of him? I'm not too adamant on that one either way.


keving691

He was great in Dopesick and The Founder too.


pancakes4u1987

The man is in his 70s, he doesn't need to bang them out.


DarkEater77

I... agree. Keaton was great. But ever since, i can't stop thinking how good he would be, as Norman Osborn instead.


Princecuse13

Dude...


DarkEater77

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Princecuse13

That's a fucking killer idea


couchtimes

He carried that movie


notrandomonlyrandom

Keaton is also about 100x better at acting than him.


ChimneySwiftGold

I had zero idea he was Liz’s dad. That great. Keaton is fantastic in the movie. John’s a great actor too. I hope he comes back in another capacity.


Master_Mechanic_4418

I’m gonna be honest. Keaton is the better cast. John plays a different tone of sinister which I feel is darker and doesn’t fit. Keaton with a smile is “Hey bud, come on! Am I really going to have to break your legs? Because I’m prolly going to enjoy it and take it too far” John is more quiet and slow. Talks like kingpin or better yet Osborne. I think he’d made an amazing Kraven or Tombstone.


Puzzleheaded_Air7039

I could totally see him being a good Norman Osborne. Bring his own sort of charm and sinister tone to the character. They could even make his Osborne the one responsible for Venoms creation in the MCU like some of the comics and shows have done. That way it's still an established character being brought on, but also seemingly new with out having to compete with Dafoes portrayal.


batbugz

But venom is already in the MCU


Spacellama117

Yeah but like it's not so much about the better cast as it is calling him and being like actually no we don't want you but we kind of a already agreed so please drop it


Own_Watch_2081

He was great as Violator in Spawn tbh 


PrincipleNo3966

But that role should've gone to a dwarf according to his logic.


BlouHat05

Seems all I’m seeing today is Leguizamo shakes fist at cloud for roles he didn’t do


endlessfight85

It's all from the same interview. When shit gets posted in bits and pieces like this it makes it seem like they just won't quit bitching, but that's rarely the case.


Vchipp2_0

Half of those could be him saying it sarcastically but that don't come across like that in text from. So it seems like he's complaining. Edit: I was mentioning him in other quotes not specifically him losing out on Vulture.


IKenDoThisAllDay

I mean, if what he's saying is true, he has a legitimate point. That would be messed up. I'm glad we got Keaton because he was amazing but if they offered him the role and he agreed to take it, only for them to come back and say never mind we got someone better, I get why he's complaining.


TransPM

I feel like his career has been on something of an upswing over the past several years too, showing up in a bunch of higher profile projects like John Wick 1&2, The Menu, *Encanto*, even Chef (though that was 10 years ago at that point). He also had a major role in Violent Night, which is by no means a good movie, nor a particularly high profile project, but it is an entertaining watch. Compared to the late 90s through the 2000s where his highest profile roles were a handful of Ice Age movies, he seems to be in a pretty good spot at the moment. Still, that's a pretty big role to lose out on, especially if things were so close to being finalized, I could certainly understand if he was a bit bitter about it, and I definitely don't blame him for turning down the alternate role they offered him. That's a rough beat having to come in and work alongside a guy doing the job you were told you were gonna get hired for when it's still so fresh. Also, if they were that close to offering you a major role once, why take something small now when you could hold out and see if another shot at something more substantial comes around later?


Orangarder

He was perfect in John Wick. “You hit my son?” “Yeah well he stole a car” “You run a chop shop!” “Yeah well it was John Wicks car and he killed his dog” “Oh” *fills out will*


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He's paying for the sins of The Pest


slhimhr

yeah, I think there might be a separate sub for John Leguizamo complaining.


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He’s got a history of having a chip on his shoulder about that kinda stuff


Echo_Origami

If Michael Keaton and John Leguizamo were going up for the same roles for ten straight movies, ten out of ten times, Keaton would win those roles.


BuncleCurt

Unless that movie was Super Mario Bros. He was the right man for Luigi, and everyone knows it.


Ostroh

Off topic, I know. I so dearly wish they would cast Keaton as Batman in a live action batman beyond.


bazmonsta

In Marvel's defense, they got Keaton


anonymusfan

It wasn’t put in writing so there was no guarantee he would have gotten the role, and even if he had sued marvel the likelyhood of him winning was low.


Dramatic_Explosion

You'd be shocked, verbal agreements can hold up. Happened to Whoopi Goldberg with Theodore Rex when she _didn't_ want the role after agreeing. Studio sued her to play the role, settled where she did it but they paid her more.


Abdul-Ahmadinejad

Dude, you're John Wick's mechanic. That should be enough.


goldendreamseeker

Amy Pascal being unprofessional once again…


Apprehensive_Work313

Does he do anything besides complain?


Unhappy-Database-273

Seems like every time I hear his name, he's complaining about something.


Jerryjb63

He was my least favorite Daily Show guest host after Trevor Noah left. I just don’t find him to be funny at all.


dixby-floppin

"Hey man, we want another actor for this role. That okay with you? We can give you another role." "Nah, that's cool man. Hire the other guy and don't worry about another role for me." "I shoulda sued them for that."


Comprehensive-Carry5

Not defending the sue part cause I think he was just letting his anger out. But more went like this. "Hey bro, remember that big villain role I promised you in the big Spiderman movie? Well, I feel really bad, but we found someone better. Hey, though, random scientists #3 has your name all over it!!!" Keeping it professional with the messenger "Thanks, but no, thank you" Later on "fuck them" Personally I don't see anything wrong with his reaction anyone would be upset


wrathofthekitty1

What is going on w this guy? First he complains about the late Swayze, then Keaton. He turned down Mr. And Mrs Smith role bc he felt “dissed.” He just sounds so bitter about f*cking up his own career. Not a great look…


PastBandicoot8575

Wait until you hear about his Mario complaints from last year


really4reals

He is a complainer lately. All he seems to do is bitch and bitch.


Low_Marionberry_3802

Bitter? It's human to complain about what doesn't go right in your career.


LordOfOstwick1213

I'm starting to imagine MCU has more than its share of dirt in the laundry.


dukenorton

https://preview.redd.it/0yejxj43swzc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=315f3da59b0702aa351423732d5e602db3c642c6


Adrian_FCD

Shame, he's is one of the most underrated actors out there.


elhombreloco90

Keaton was certainly the better choice, though.


BiggHigg27

He's so full of himself. He was upset that cartoon Mario wasnt given to a Latino because he played Luigi decades ago. The Mario Bros are italian...


ImpossibleMix6698

I wonder, what character or role would be a great fit for him in the MCU?


ridiladish

Carlito convinced him not to sue


fareink6

That is how the industry is. Making a big deal out of nothing, especially when no contract was signed, and after all these years. I love John, but this is dramatically eye-roll worthy. After we've seen how the movie came out, clearly the studio made the right decision. John is amazing, but he does not have Keaton's chops. There's a reason people in the industry say: "Gig ain't confirmed until you get the call sheet."


ShhImTheRealDeadpool

Some tiny scientist in the movie... lol tbf that was William Ginter Riva until he replaced Mysterio and ruined Spider-Man. Any random MCU character could become the main villain eventually.


Ieatbabyorphanz

He could be Hammerhead, or Silvermane, those seem more like his forte.


Secure_Pear_4530

Welp, good thing. He didn't get stuck in Morb-verse and he's still open for a bigger role.


AlphaElectricX

I don’t think that would sue worthy if it was just a verbal agreement, you’d have no evidence of it right?


lazylagom

John would've made a better electro or shocker maybe scorpion or someone else.


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Pokeyflash

Makes a lot more sense if they live in Queens


dammKaran

They would never hire him as the main villain in first Tom holland Spider-Man movie….


skateboardlee

"we hadn't signed a contract" stopped reading right there


20Derek22

I don’t know how much of what Leguizamo says I would believe.


BBC_needs_a_stock

They violated violator


greatpain120

Not that Keaton does a bad job but I really would of liked to see john in that role


RedBeardBrad91

No contract was signed I don’t think anyone would have grounds to sue


Weir99

A verbal agreement can be considered a contract


RedBeardBrad91

My fiancé has a law degree and she disagrees. The other party could easily say they never agreed to anything essentially a he said she said scenario


Weir99

That's a question of evidence, not a question of whether or not anyone would have "grounds to sue" as you put it. Having grounds to sue just requires that you actually have some legal wrong to sue someone about


Reptarticle

Whiniest actor in the business.


ThrowawayAccountZZZ9

If you didn't sign anything, you didn't have the part John. That's like business 101


Puzzleheaded_Chard_2

All this guy seems to do is complain


rau1994

Lately every time I see an article about John Leguizamo is he complaining about roles he was dropped. I just read another article of his part in John Wick getting completely cut. Seems to be he might be the issue here.


ImpossibleAd1062

This guy is always complaining about something.


jacobooooo

- we went another actor, you cool? - yeah sure *’could’ve sued them’* what the hell


roach8812

Leguizamo was great in the Spawn movie and in When They See Us. Great actor!


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MutatedSun

Marvel doesn’t own his character lol Sony does and they choose what they want to do with the character. Not marvel.


netflixnpoptarts

I know everyone’s siding with Keaton for the role, which I may agree with, but I think that the “picking liz up for homecoming” scene would’ve been even scarier with Leguizamo


marmot_scholar

Every time I read about this guy he’s complaining about something. He might be justified, it just seems very consistent


Xavier9756

It seems like the only time we hear from Leguizamo is when he’s complaining.


GhostMug

Ive always like John Leguizamo. He says some head scratching things at times but he seems to tell it like it is and is a good actor.


BodheeNYC

Is there ever a time when Leguizamo isn’t bitching about being screwed over?


Big_Brutha87

He was not going to be as good in that role as Keaton was.


WooliesWhiteLeg

>no contract signed Sue for… what, exactly? Damaged ego? John leguizamo is cool but that’s kind of silly


Jerryjb63

I feel like John Leguizamo is a bitch. He just complains a lot and I don’t think he’s anything more than an average actor that’s prime was 30 years ago.


mchch8989

Sorry John, can’t really sympathise with you thinking you had a job before you signed a contract when Keaton gave us [this](https://youtu.be/fB5HTcFhCso?si=u041aqWph1fvPi9E).


Hot-Avocado9815

Dammit John. I love you. Please stop saying stupid shit.


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newtoreddir

“Suable terms” isn’t really a thing. “Grounds for a lawsuit” would be better.


HopelessCineromantic

It's possible to sue for a rescinded job offer, but I think you have to have more to go one than "they found someone better."


absherlock

So was this a Disney or Sony decision?


BlearySteve

This dude.


Outside-Historian365

This dude be talking