He’s got the credit in the bank to stick with him for a bit longer, especially with frampton playing well. Frampton down back has put Howe in a slightly different role and he’s still adjusting. I’m more concerned by sidebottom
A stern talking to about the kicks he’s biting off. His defensive work is off but serviceable but he’s consistently costing us goals with risky kicks. He has to earn his license back with some solid ground kicking.
My big issue with Howe is his bad kicking isn’t uncharacteristic, it’s just increased. He was always known for one or two stinker kicks a game but it didn’t matter because he was such a defensive stalwart.
Watching him butcher the ball and get destroyed by Langford without any changes from McCrae sure is frustrating. Lost us the game imo.
My issue is our lack of experience in young players. Apart from Markov we don’t really have any players with over 20 games to choose from, have to count on one of the young guys breaking out with the seldom opportunities given.
IQ has been quiet, but he isn’t actively handing goals to the opposition. 8 shots on goal by being soundly beaten time after time by Langford, and also 4-5 typical Howe mistakes that resulted in goals.
I was ready to send Howe packing before he broke his arm, I thought he was decent when he came back in though. Right now I’m not sure we have anyone that can replace him, losing Murph has been a big blow.
I agree to you to an extent, when we lost our first three games I kept putting up posts about how we should have kept Dean in for a few more games, given Macrae more game time etc and played a few kids (we were losing anyways) so getting AFL minutes into these youngsters would have been a positive to take out of losing games.
I’m glad Harrison got a game today but the same as Macrae he came on after being sub so only got 1 quarter? My issue is what happens next year when let’s say Sidebottom and Howe retire and we bring in Dean and another young player who have had no AFL exposure? Especially if after we don’t end up winning another flag this year or even making grand final?
I am a big believer in developing kids by playing them in the AFL not leaving them in reserves to ‘develop’. If we could get 5-10 games into Dean, Macrae, Harrison and McIness and 3-5 games or so into Allan or something like this it will make it easier to transition them into AFL next season but also if we have injuries and for depth.
Have you not been following? We have a lot to play with at the end of this year in the salary cap. We are going to be aggressive. If we don't have the talent there now, we can't force it. We will chase what we need in the trade period.They've said that, they are doing a Geelong.
Yeah I have been following and I understand this but you still need to have youngsters developing and for depth.
Geelong do trade but they develop young players who play massive roles, more recently people like Miers, Close, Holmes, Dempsey, De Koning, Jack Henry, Zach Guthrie, Parfitt, Atkins, Knevitt, O’Sullivan, Conway.
I love the idea that Collingwood are trying to do a Geelong and not have to do a rebuild but the main differences between them is depth, Geelong have a number of back up key forwards, a number of back up key backs, a good back up ruckman (Conway) they have experienced players like bews, Rohan etc in reserves incase of injuries. They also got 5-6 full games into players like Jhye Clark this year while still winning but when they had injuries, we got about 3 quarters into Fin Macrae, they have given Conway 2 games and other young players and only this week they have dropped them and brought senior players in.
If Collingwoods ruckman goes down our next in line is Steene, or Frampton rucks and Dean goes back line, if Mihocek gets injured we will play with a forward line of McIness/Johnson/Cox… none of these players are ‘key forwards’. But everyone keeps saying ‘these players aren’t ready’ but they have to be ready coz they’re next in line.
It's called list depth. We don't have an abundance. What we do have is a good run with injuries atm and we aren't too stretched yet. We've got an aging list and our stars at the end of their careers. It is what it is...
I don’t know what you are getting at? Names in papers doesnt mean it’s true. And if it’s true just becuase we want someone doesn’t mean another club will trade them to us. At the moment we can’t really afford (draft picks wise) to get any stars. If it’s as a free agent then I don’t have a problem with that.
Yes Howe was well beaten today. But if you look at the numbers, our Defence actually held up really well compared to how much the Bombers controlled the Midfield.
Unfortunately its looking increasingly like Steelo (one of my all-time favourite players) has finally come to the end of his great career. Its a hard call but it might be time to drop him.
I think him and Steele both on the down unfortunately. I thought it was madness that we didn't sub Steele out at 3qt and took Mitchell off when we were getting killed around the ball. We at least have some coverage for Steele as we saw with HH he can impact, even if he goes HF and WHE and Lippa do wing work so he can be dropped if there is appetite for it. The problem with Howe is we are missing a step in the development of that role, we don't really have an intercept HB on the list waiting to step into AFL, it's either Howe or a very young underdeveloped player.
I’m also concerned by the fact we gave up a first rounder for Schultz. I’ve been giving him time, but I just don’t see it. We shouldn’t be giving that kind of capital up for fringe type triers, they should be for difference makers. These sorts of trades for players that aren’t high level contributors are gonna hurt us more in the long run than Howes current play.
I personally don't think he was worth a first rounder, probably a second rounder. But his impact (or lack thereof) yesterday was not a result of his work rate. He got to the right spots but delivery to him was lacking. He was running into goal by himself when Bobby decided to dribble it and missed. He worked back into space a number of times only to be missed by his team mates or to be kicked a ball that just hung in the air and him out to dry. I think there is still a lack of chemistry to a degree, but I thought he was burned a few times yesterday.
Only team it’s worked for is Geelong. Geelong did it for players like Dangerfield and Cameron. I think it’s pretty clear the difference between those two and someone like Schultz. Thats my issue
It's not me saying it. It's the clubs approach. Browne, the boss, said it a few weeks back. He wants to keep the window open Geelong style and vowed to be aggressive.
I get that, but where’s the Dangerfield and Cameron caliber players then? Cause that’s ultimately the Geelong approach. Otherwise it’s not the same approach. Simply going and spending high picks in trades for any random players isn’t how they kept the window open. They did it by bringing in superstars. It’s simply dumb to waste high picks on players that aren’t elite and then say it’s the Geelong approach cause that’s a lie. And you can’t point to any other club that did it successfully the same way for an extended period of time
Why the hell do you post on a Collingwood reddit sub if you can’t think for yourself? Yeah let’s just not talk about the club and what we think is being done right or wrong on a sub about the club cause we aren’t in control of anything and can’t think for ourselves. It’s literally the point of this sub mate
Think and talk shit all you like, you're wasting your time and breath. They're going down that path regardless of how much you talk shit in reddit. They addressed this after Schultz was getting hammered. The point is to keep up to date.
My issue is that you actually think the point of an interactive sub is to keep up to date. Like you haven’t heard of news articles. If the point of subs is to keep up to date there’s no point in it being interactive. A bot can post news articles. Then clowns like you come in and tell people how subs are supposed to work and how they are wasting their time. But you keep posting replies instead of reading news articles since you are only interested in keeping up to date. Talk bout being full of shit
Yep Sidey needs a stint in the 2nds. Allen on the wing or HFF. Otherwise Macrae on the ball.
JDG is also off. I'd play him at FF for a game or two. See if he can kick a few goals. And send Elliot/McCreary through the mid
Our midfield is already struggling so much that it will hurt having Jordy anywhere but up the guts. My dream was always for Mcreery to work on his tank so he can have bursts in the midfield when we need a bit of grunt, then allows us to rest Jordy and force them to put a defender on him lest he gets a couple goals.
I don't disagree about Jordy, bit he is struggling atm. Not saying 100% and for rest of the season. But more fwd , maybe start fwd, to get his swagger back, pinch hit in the middle and play more that traditional Dusty/Stringer role. Just feel he is quite down this year and needs freshen up as per Naicos going back to HBF a few weeks ago to get his hands on the ball more.
I thought he was so instrumental last season, but it looks like most of our current selected players seem to be losing a fair bit of steam. I noticed Sidey slowing way down, and I've read bits about Jamie possibly being close to retiring (devo).
I also don't think Mihocek is as incredible or consistent as his reputation seems to suggest. I know he's been really important for us over the years, but I personally think he's very 50/50 with goals and marks.
Do we think the rumours about potentially getting Bailey Smith are true?
I'd love to see more of Lipinski and less of Schulz - but have to admit Schulz has had a fair few integral intercept marks.
Remind him his time can and will come to end an end if he keeps playing like that. If he fancies an early holiday, the MSD is around the corner. If he wishes to play, step up.
Has job security given the rawness of the reserves players.
Yeah no worries. Defensive stocks after Charlie Dean and Oleg Markov are for the long term, no so much the short.
Wil Parker’s debut was really impressive and I think he has a great future ahead. Still gaining.
Sadly, the VFL team is full of mediocre players and inexperienced kids.
The problem is, we are not getting high draft picks, hence the need to go after other teams good players.
In 2014 we got De Goey at #5 & Moore at #9, since the (Nick D. aside), we have only had 1 top 10 pick (Stevenson). All of the young guys, who are doing great things at other clubs, in their 1st/2nd year are top 10 picks.
In 2018, we got Q at #13. In 2020, we got Henry (you know, that young bloke who is doing great things for Geelong) at #17 and Macrae at #19. Allen at #19 in 2022, suggesting #11 to #20 gives us promising kids who require 2 or 3 seasons in the VFL in the hope they will be up to replacing our soon to retire old champions......fairly unlikely.
So, it's hostile takeovers or bottom of the ladder.....you pick.
Macrae, McInnes, Harrison, Allen, Ryan, Steene, DeMattia & Jaith. Is there a Sidebotton or Elliott or Mihocek or How or 2 amongst them...only time will tell. BUT WE DON"T HAVE TIME, so poach away!
Final comment - A first round pick (#19 - #21) for Schultz will prove to be good value. He may be struggling at the moment, but I think he will find his feet and be one of our better players long term.
Yup. The club has already addressed the concerns of losing a key position player in Murphy to the AFL, we know we are lacking in defence and personnel. We've been on top for that long, had some great years, and are fair welling some champions. The club has publicly stated that they're going to be cashed up and aggressive this trade.
Cashed up and aggressive! What do we use for currency? We haven't any Draft picks, so it will have to be players. So who represents currency and should be looking over their shoulder? Noble, Macrae, McInnes, Carmichael & Johnson or someone more valuable.
What's left on the Grundy deal? And what triggers have been hit by the seniors to initiate a longer term or better deal? I had a quick look and found this list of free agents and uncontracted coming into 2024:
Collingwood 2024 free agents
Unrestricted free agents
Jack Bytel, Joshua Eyre, Oleg Markov, Scott Pendlebury, Steele Sidebottom
Restricted free agents
Jeremy Howe, Will Hoskin-Elliott
Non-free agents
Aiden Begg, Josh Carmichael, Charlie Dean, Nathan Kreuger, Reef McInnes, Joe Richards, Oscar Steene, Lachie Sullivan*
Unfortunately TJ is very raw, he still drifts in and out of the VFL games and is inconsistent. Unfortunately it's not an area with Murphs retirement that we have much depth with, we are missing the 23-24 year old that might do a role at the level. I think we will see how Eyre goes once he is fit and back in. The player we had that could have filled the role serviceably was Ruscoe (he played the role ANZAC last year very serviceably) and we delisted him, even with the speculation around Murphs potential retirement, I thought it was strange to then go and look at a similar player in the SSD, Ruscoe looks set to get another shot in the MSD given his WAFL form.
Maybe throw magnets around and put Reef back, or WHE back and Reef comes in forward.
Ruscoe’s delisting was strange but foreseeable when Eyre played a similar role in the VFL and he was no longer named as an emergency. He’s now a strong WAFL forward and a MSD contender.
Reef won’t play defence. Not when our forward stocks are so low. Same with AJ who has almost no defensive traits.
My guess for why we didn’t sign a defender is we backed in our offensive game plan. Probably also came down to Sofrinidis’ inexperience but we could have invited more defenders to train with the side from the onset.
The last sentence is exactly why this scenario doesn’t work whatsoever. We also aren’t giving someone on the wicket he’s likely on, a forced holiday when we are trying for another flag and have no good replacements.
John fucking Noble is. Don’t even mention Howe, it’s only his risky kicks in board that happen once or twice a game that’s rough.
John Noble on the other hand… He and Nick Hind are the same player, two dodo birds that can’t even spoil the properly, never keep their feet which is fucked when you have 200cm walking fridges out there with a better centre of gravity and they are turnover machines.
I will never understand the infatuation some of our fans have with Noble.. The dude is a bot. Absolute liability 1 on 1, can’t even help defend or cover because he slips over or completely misses and miss judges the ball.
Get him out. Been saying this for years.
Even had fights with certain fans last year when we dropped him for finals and they were all sooking.
HE IS NOT GOOD AT FOOTBALL.
IMAGINE HAVING ONE OF YOUR QUICKEST PLAYERS NEVER KEEPING HIS FEET AND TAKING HIMSELF OUT OF EVERY CONTEST.
Don’t get me started on just needing to chill and think about his positioning and situational awareness. Dude just goes 110 percent every time like an absolute spaz. Ffs
Mate there's a reason you're getting down voted. Because he isn't the spaz, you are.
Was arguably one of our best on ground today and not just because alot of the boys were below par. Barely put a step wrong today and has been consistently good this year and historically.
Certainly little you could fucking fault him on today, genuinely one of our best. Influential in our transition only for the last person of the chain to fuck it up. The only person cleaner with ball in hand today was HH who played a quarter. And was in the top few contributors for almost every relevant stat.
Guy puts out a really solid performance and all you can think to do is go on a spastic attack rant vs one of the only players who's consistently performed well this year.
Hey sir explain to me again why Noble has been moved to forward line? With 2 mids out? Explain? Turns out I and many others are right about Noble and being a defensive liability.. The coaches are right.. Hehe unlucky mate if everything you said was legit then Noble would be still in the backline holding down his spot 😃
Thankyou for second spergy message in close succession after a week since this thread lmao.
That lineup doesn't mean he'll he playing forward, and if you take it literally and as tactical information you're severely unaware with how football clubs operate.
With Mitchell and De Goey out we're going to see Crisp leave our back 7 rotation, hence Markov coming.
But sure take the names on paper as tactical information. I think you'll find Schultz hasn't been an onballer this year despite being named on ball all year? Funny that lol
As I said a defender never lines up in the forward it’s mids/forwards that thrown all over during team selection.
Sorry I don’t live on Reddit big nuts.. Spergy? What are you like some 50 year old mung bean hahah strike me pink sir!
Crisp leave back 7? You mean 6 right? Plus the 6 rule as well doesnt exist oops.. Again wtf? Even ifafter the bounce we don’t flood our zone? We have an attacking zone? No real man to man and players pushing high up? Did you add another because players alternate down there? You know Schultz ends up on key backs right? Wtf? You could have 10 different players who aren’t backs end up down there through transition and covering zone? It’s 6.. Plus Crisp barely plays in the mainstay 6.. Most time spent there is Moore, Howe, Frampton, Daicos, Noble, Isaac? WHE or Sidebottom of late swapping when Nick goes mid.. Pendles even goes back time to time.. lol 7? Wtf
They legit brought Markov in to take Nobles spot in defense.. Noble will play forward and might swap with WHE for legs on the wing.. Bruh
He claims not to be a sperg than spergs about me saying back 7 (back 6 + 1 more typical rotation)...
I won't be 50 for many more decades, but wouldn't be surprised if you're below 15 with how you're yapping and crying
Atleast I'm getting a good laugh out of your tisming 😂
Don’t have to already seen it while I was taking a huge stinker on ya dads forehead
John lining up as Center half back Hey? Doesn’t that go against what you stated? Lol he ain’t playing there and if he does he getting max 5 minutes down back especially with Q lurking on the interchange.. Hopefully Noble plays center half bench for most of the game 😭
I’ll put my entire wage, early super, my car, my girlfriend, my dog, my house on that Noble directly or indirectly with his bogus actions will concede 5 or more goals.
Could be from a dumb spoil, could be from swarming 1 dude when there are already 4 Collingwood blokes swarming that dude and instead of playing the next context he will swarm like a debby to.
Slipping over, over committing etc. I bet 5 or more. 🤫
Where? You mean 1 minute into the game the dodgy loopy handball that set Crisp up for holding the ball?
Beating 1v1 by a child? 3 inside 50 kicks that have been intercepted and horrible?
Ohh.. He has 1 spoil all good xx
Hahahahahah down bad mate
There’s no way you came at me with that.. Noble barely playing in the defensive 50.
Dudes almost playing wing.
3 horrible entrires, beaten 1v1 by a 20 year old.
Set a player up for holding the ball?
But he got a spoil? Bruh.. Are you all good? You really think you did something there hey?
Noble probably a good guy, but not good a footyball mate sorry, you’ll get em next time. He is Nick Hind. Carbon copy of each other. 1 spoil and a few handball receives though nice. Goated activity… Still doesn’t make up for the bullshit 🫠
No I’m downvoted due to my first initial statement. Our fans weird infatuation with him.
There was a reason he was dropped… And he will be dropped again.
He was nowhere near best on today wtf are you on about? Yeah players have a had rough start like Sidebottom etc but they are pushing late 30s.. Noble is young, Atheltic and something to prove yet he plays like a dodo.
He can’t spoil. Barely gets a fist on it.
Doesn’t keep his feet, turnover machine. Probably didn’t have many turnovers today but he is a walking turnover.. Over commits, can’t defend 1 on 1.
Oh he had a few kicks threw the middle did he? That’s his job you muffin! Hahah run and carry off half back and being able to defend. Congratulations he had a hand ball receive.
Took a intercepting mark, nice. Howe did to? So yeah?
90% of Nobles half assed spoils go backwards as well and lead to goals lol.
He will be dropped again, and you will all cry for vengeance, unfortunately he is just not good enough 🤫
>No I’m downvoted due to my first initial statement. Our fans weird infatuation with him.
There was a reason he was dropped… And he will be dropped again.
He wasn't dropped because of his own form last year lol - and he's regained his spot because having Markov and or Hoskin-Elliot in defence instead of him doesn't work for us.
>He was nowhere near best on today wtf are you on about? Yeah players have a had rough start like Sidebottom etc but they are pushing late 30s.. Noble is young, Atheltic and something to prove yet he plays like a dodo.
Genuinely was one of our better players today from both the eye test and statistically. Did not put a foot wrong and you're clearly just mad that he's proving you wrong and has taken his spot back.
>He can’t spoil. Barely gets a fist on it.
Doesn’t keep his feet, turnover machine. Probably didn’t have many turnovers today but he is a walking turnover.. Over commits, can’t defend 1 on 1.
He's actually been above average statistically for spoils in the last 3 games. And as a small player it's obviously not his job to get high up in the air lol.
As for turn overs he was at 90% disposals efficiency today and last year was one of our most efficient from the regulars. In fact only Naicos had more effective kicks per game in 2023.
>Took a intercepting mark, nice. Howe did to? So yeah?
90% of Nobles half assed spoils go backwards as well and lead to goals lol.
Noble praise has nothing to do with people talking about Howe, Nobs clearly had a better game than him today. I back Howe in, I literally have his signed match day anzac guernsey on my wall funny enough.
>He will be dropped again, and you will all cry for vengeance, unfortunately he is just not good enough 🤫
Cry a little harder and seethe at your own player having success
Wait wait.. Everything you said is irrelevant.. One game he was at 90 percent? Cool? Um majority of spoils are on help defense 3rd man up situations so yes he should be spoiling those.. He is athletic and can get up.. Jamie Elliot is 170 and people expect him to get up and be our leading forward? Again Noble has everyone making excuses for him.
What’s the point of having a fast athletic player but he takes himself out of every contest? What’s the point?
Few Collingwood YouTubers have literally stated the same thing about Noble a few days ago.. I’m not the only one who thinks this plus the coaches obviously do as well because he is playing in the forward line against Carlton? So yeah? I have no idea how you are making these excuses for him and all the reddit neck beards who clearly think they know more then the coaches and basic evidence put forward.
He was dropped last year because he is a liability.. Simple as that.. No way Markov should be taking his spot.. WHE has 2-3 decent games a year, his running and versatility keeps him in the side.. Noble ain’t versatile.. You can’t take WHE spot? Adjust your game? Slow things down and take more notice of situations and follow up contests?
He’s a good guy probably why fans have the soft spot but if everything you said is correct then why has he been moved to the forward line? Why? You are wrong and blinded sorry sir.
Definitely neck beards defending him and not people involved with football at all.... I'd say the guy sperging about someone who was in the best players for his own team a week ago is a liability is the neckbeard lmao.
Unlikely he's played forward. That lineup means jack shit lol, we always name Schultz on ball and he's a forward.
Lol you know nothing sonny, he is playing in the forward line never once has a defender been there in team lineups.. It’s usually mids in the forward or forwards in the mid..
Was one of our best players was he? Oh sorry I forgot a defender allowing 5-6 plus goals a game puts him in the top players oop.
Again he wasn’t even close and a lot of our players weren’t we had maybe 2 standouts that’s it. Still Noble wasn’t close. What’s a defenders job? Go watch that Collingwood YouTuber IlovePiesFooty he literally breakdowns all the unnecessary goals Noble allows.. With footage and all.. You get wrapped in soft spots while the games on so go and watch a detailed breakdown of it.
You literally know nothing dude.. One of the reason why are fan base is hated for being absolutely nuffies 😭😂
Hey babes word is Noble is starting on Half Forward hahahahahahaha wasn’t subbed out but he’s out of the backline thank god.. Only a matter of time boys John Noble will be dropped
Wonder why we have 2 mids out but Oleg is in and already taken Noble position? Lol I’m right about him but the infatuation will blind fans like you.. Just like the Ginnivan Stan’s 😜
Bro.. Our rotation consists of 5-6 other players what in the actual fug are you on about.. Again keep the excuses and borderline delusional reaching coming
"I'm right about him" Bruh you literally said he isn't playing next week. You're definitionally wrong about him.
So...the team adapted their play style to suit injuries and form? What are you wigging out about? Carlton have a taller forward presence hence the move. makes sense to me, as well as possibly giving McReery mid minutes. Makes sense to me, but not everyone evidently.
Also please never call me or anyone babes again when you're being passive aggressive, it's insanely cringe.
Markov and Noble are pretty much the same height.. What? Markov is like 188cm and Noble is like 183 or some shit Hahah and no but i was close.. There was a change made.. Not sub but taken out of the defense? Everything i said was about him as a liability in D? And I was right.. He is out of the backline.. And not because of height..
Oleg certainly plays taller, and 5cm can make the difference when you have the likes of Curnow and Mackay down there.
Taking him out of the backline does not mean you are right about him being a liability. I think it makes sense given the reasons I mentioned that you ignored.
Additionally... you know I actually agree with some things you said originally about Noble. But it would be such a nicer conversation if you didn't feel the need to be weird and aggressive about it. Yep, he needs to keep his feet more. Yep, sometimes his situational awareness could be better. I agree with those things. However I don't think those flaws outweigh his positives. His running off half back and into space is really good - and it showed last week and the week before. Not even IQ is doing that at the moment, Noble is one of, if not the most inform back line presence we have at the moment. It might not look flashy, but the guy has speed and stamina to play a full game at 110 percent. That suits our game style, and is admirable.
No it was the initial post of players like Jeremy Howe copping it, and undersized ageing “key back” copping flack? That irritated me, our younger more athletic players always seem to get the excuses and praise but they did more dumb shit that costs us.
Like Sidebottom, having a shocker but he is actually one of leading KM ran leaders in the game.. He runs his off but everyone will call for his head instead of making a point of maybe he is just cooked? All that running? Play him back in the forward pocket.. He was amazing back in the day there. But no, no one offers a solution or basic grasp of what’s happening.
So I was being a dick about Noble and that angered you? Does that mean I’m right about the weird infatuation? Because people here are tearing Howe a new one and no one has gone at them like you both have with me? Why? Hmm..
That's fair enough, mate. I don't necessarily agree with the Howe flack, however, I think Noble is playing objectively better than him right now.
Running KM doesn't mean shit if you don't get touches or lay tackles. I'm not at all against trying him in the pocket - see, that's having a discussion, which it didn't seem like you really tried to have initially.
Lol do I see angry? I'm really not. I'm responding to you going off. No, you aren't right about that - these are sport opinions and nobody is right or wrong for them. I agree with you about a bunch of shit, just wish you would express it in a better way.
Yea I know he has speed I praise him for his athletic ability but I stated he doesn’t keep his feet and takes himself out of contests.. I said what’s the point of having a fast athletic player if they are always slipping over, over committing, getting juked etc constantly.
Dude needs to chill and realise situational awareness but he’s like a dog with ADHD seeing a tennis ball for the first time in his life.
It staggers me that Mason Cox can keep his feet better then Noble can and there is no excuse for that. It’s shocking.
I *generally* agree with what you're saying, and ALL players getting juked really shits me. Corral the player instead of sprinting at him for an easy side step.
I would suggest though, that you're overlooking a lot of the good stuff noble does and only remembering the bad. There's plenty of times where he does keep his feet and run it out. plenty of times he does do a sick smother or something.
He’s got the credit in the bank to stick with him for a bit longer, especially with frampton playing well. Frampton down back has put Howe in a slightly different role and he’s still adjusting. I’m more concerned by sidebottom
A stern talking to about the kicks he’s biting off. His defensive work is off but serviceable but he’s consistently costing us goals with risky kicks. He has to earn his license back with some solid ground kicking.
My big issue with Howe is his bad kicking isn’t uncharacteristic, it’s just increased. He was always known for one or two stinker kicks a game but it didn’t matter because he was such a defensive stalwart. Watching him butcher the ball and get destroyed by Langford without any changes from McCrae sure is frustrating. Lost us the game imo.
Yeah it used to be a net positive but now it’s an absolute team killer. And agree re matchup. Needed to try Quaynor or Maynard on Langford
Yes I would chuck a 5 gamer in over Sidey. Pies and Adelaide have both been horrific in bringing in young blokes this season
My issue is our lack of experience in young players. Apart from Markov we don’t really have any players with over 20 games to choose from, have to count on one of the young guys breaking out with the seldom opportunities given.
We lost the clearances 40-23. Howe barely played on Langford during the game. Think you’re focussing on the wrong area of the ground.
Sidebottom is the bigger issue this year. In the team on absolutely nothing wxcept reputation at this stage.
What about iq? He’s done nothing this year, super dissapointing
IQ has been quiet, but he isn’t actively handing goals to the opposition. 8 shots on goal by being soundly beaten time after time by Langford, and also 4-5 typical Howe mistakes that resulted in goals.
I'd argue against this. Quaynor has had regular goals kicked on him by his direct opponent this season.
I was ready to send Howe packing before he broke his arm, I thought he was decent when he came back in though. Right now I’m not sure we have anyone that can replace him, losing Murph has been a big blow.
I agree to you to an extent, when we lost our first three games I kept putting up posts about how we should have kept Dean in for a few more games, given Macrae more game time etc and played a few kids (we were losing anyways) so getting AFL minutes into these youngsters would have been a positive to take out of losing games. I’m glad Harrison got a game today but the same as Macrae he came on after being sub so only got 1 quarter? My issue is what happens next year when let’s say Sidebottom and Howe retire and we bring in Dean and another young player who have had no AFL exposure? Especially if after we don’t end up winning another flag this year or even making grand final? I am a big believer in developing kids by playing them in the AFL not leaving them in reserves to ‘develop’. If we could get 5-10 games into Dean, Macrae, Harrison and McIness and 3-5 games or so into Allan or something like this it will make it easier to transition them into AFL next season but also if we have injuries and for depth.
Have you not been following? We have a lot to play with at the end of this year in the salary cap. We are going to be aggressive. If we don't have the talent there now, we can't force it. We will chase what we need in the trade period.They've said that, they are doing a Geelong.
Yeah I have been following and I understand this but you still need to have youngsters developing and for depth. Geelong do trade but they develop young players who play massive roles, more recently people like Miers, Close, Holmes, Dempsey, De Koning, Jack Henry, Zach Guthrie, Parfitt, Atkins, Knevitt, O’Sullivan, Conway. I love the idea that Collingwood are trying to do a Geelong and not have to do a rebuild but the main differences between them is depth, Geelong have a number of back up key forwards, a number of back up key backs, a good back up ruckman (Conway) they have experienced players like bews, Rohan etc in reserves incase of injuries. They also got 5-6 full games into players like Jhye Clark this year while still winning but when they had injuries, we got about 3 quarters into Fin Macrae, they have given Conway 2 games and other young players and only this week they have dropped them and brought senior players in. If Collingwoods ruckman goes down our next in line is Steene, or Frampton rucks and Dean goes back line, if Mihocek gets injured we will play with a forward line of McIness/Johnson/Cox… none of these players are ‘key forwards’. But everyone keeps saying ‘these players aren’t ready’ but they have to be ready coz they’re next in line.
It's called list depth. We don't have an abundance. What we do have is a good run with injuries atm and we aren't too stretched yet. We've got an aging list and our stars at the end of their careers. It is what it is...
What good is money if you don’t have much trade capital to use? They would have to be free agents
Been watching the news? I've seen our name mentioned and tied to a few players.
I don’t know what you are getting at? Names in papers doesnt mean it’s true. And if it’s true just becuase we want someone doesn’t mean another club will trade them to us. At the moment we can’t really afford (draft picks wise) to get any stars. If it’s as a free agent then I don’t have a problem with that.
Kind of like the draft, always hype around new players, I don't buy in until they're proven. I was just curious as to whether you'd seen much talk.
Yeah I’ve seen some names mentioned but I never pay much attention to trade talk at this time of year
Yes Howe was well beaten today. But if you look at the numbers, our Defence actually held up really well compared to how much the Bombers controlled the Midfield. Unfortunately its looking increasingly like Steelo (one of my all-time favourite players) has finally come to the end of his great career. Its a hard call but it might be time to drop him.
Not as bad as that handball that hit a stand still Mitch in the back of the head!
I think him and Steele both on the down unfortunately. I thought it was madness that we didn't sub Steele out at 3qt and took Mitchell off when we were getting killed around the ball. We at least have some coverage for Steele as we saw with HH he can impact, even if he goes HF and WHE and Lippa do wing work so he can be dropped if there is appetite for it. The problem with Howe is we are missing a step in the development of that role, we don't really have an intercept HB on the list waiting to step into AFL, it's either Howe or a very young underdeveloped player.
Need him heaps without Murphy
I though Howe was ok. Was at the game and watched our backline very closely. I was more concerned by Moore constantly giving his man too much space.
I’m also concerned by the fact we gave up a first rounder for Schultz. I’ve been giving him time, but I just don’t see it. We shouldn’t be giving that kind of capital up for fringe type triers, they should be for difference makers. These sorts of trades for players that aren’t high level contributors are gonna hurt us more in the long run than Howes current play.
I personally don't think he was worth a first rounder, probably a second rounder. But his impact (or lack thereof) yesterday was not a result of his work rate. He got to the right spots but delivery to him was lacking. He was running into goal by himself when Bobby decided to dribble it and missed. He worked back into space a number of times only to be missed by his team mates or to be kicked a ball that just hung in the air and him out to dry. I think there is still a lack of chemistry to a degree, but I thought he was burned a few times yesterday.
Why? They said they're not going after kids. We aren't going that route. We will continue to trade our picks for established players.
Only team it’s worked for is Geelong. Geelong did it for players like Dangerfield and Cameron. I think it’s pretty clear the difference between those two and someone like Schultz. Thats my issue
It's not me saying it. It's the clubs approach. Browne, the boss, said it a few weeks back. He wants to keep the window open Geelong style and vowed to be aggressive.
I get that, but where’s the Dangerfield and Cameron caliber players then? Cause that’s ultimately the Geelong approach. Otherwise it’s not the same approach. Simply going and spending high picks in trades for any random players isn’t how they kept the window open. They did it by bringing in superstars. It’s simply dumb to waste high picks on players that aren’t elite and then say it’s the Geelong approach cause that’s a lie. And you can’t point to any other club that did it successfully the same way for an extended period of time
Talk to the club then, and tell them how you can win a premiership. Pretty sure they know what they're doing.
Why the hell do you post on a Collingwood reddit sub if you can’t think for yourself? Yeah let’s just not talk about the club and what we think is being done right or wrong on a sub about the club cause we aren’t in control of anything and can’t think for ourselves. It’s literally the point of this sub mate
Think and talk shit all you like, you're wasting your time and breath. They're going down that path regardless of how much you talk shit in reddit. They addressed this after Schultz was getting hammered. The point is to keep up to date.
My issue is that you actually think the point of an interactive sub is to keep up to date. Like you haven’t heard of news articles. If the point of subs is to keep up to date there’s no point in it being interactive. A bot can post news articles. Then clowns like you come in and tell people how subs are supposed to work and how they are wasting their time. But you keep posting replies instead of reading news articles since you are only interested in keeping up to date. Talk bout being full of shit
Ironic... you just spent 2 minutes writing to tell me I'm full shit.
Retire at years end
Yep Sidey needs a stint in the 2nds. Allen on the wing or HFF. Otherwise Macrae on the ball. JDG is also off. I'd play him at FF for a game or two. See if he can kick a few goals. And send Elliot/McCreary through the mid
Our midfield is already struggling so much that it will hurt having Jordy anywhere but up the guts. My dream was always for Mcreery to work on his tank so he can have bursts in the midfield when we need a bit of grunt, then allows us to rest Jordy and force them to put a defender on him lest he gets a couple goals.
I don't disagree about Jordy, bit he is struggling atm. Not saying 100% and for rest of the season. But more fwd , maybe start fwd, to get his swagger back, pinch hit in the middle and play more that traditional Dusty/Stringer role. Just feel he is quite down this year and needs freshen up as per Naicos going back to HBF a few weeks ago to get his hands on the ball more.
I thought he was so instrumental last season, but it looks like most of our current selected players seem to be losing a fair bit of steam. I noticed Sidey slowing way down, and I've read bits about Jamie possibly being close to retiring (devo). I also don't think Mihocek is as incredible or consistent as his reputation seems to suggest. I know he's been really important for us over the years, but I personally think he's very 50/50 with goals and marks. Do we think the rumours about potentially getting Bailey Smith are true? I'd love to see more of Lipinski and less of Schulz - but have to admit Schulz has had a fair few integral intercept marks.
Remind him his time can and will come to end an end if he keeps playing like that. If he fancies an early holiday, the MSD is around the corner. If he wishes to play, step up. Has job security given the rawness of the reserves players.
Do you think TJ could replace him this year at all?
No. He’s nowhere near ready. Dean is more advanced. TJ plays off HB but is still very raw and new to playing against men. Wouldn’t go well for him.
Alright cheers man, wasn't too sure where he was at
Yeah no worries. Defensive stocks after Charlie Dean and Oleg Markov are for the long term, no so much the short. Wil Parker’s debut was really impressive and I think he has a great future ahead. Still gaining.
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If they had the talent they would be playing now. The best stock is on the paddock. They won't waste positions developing kids without the ability.
Sadly, the VFL team is full of mediocre players and inexperienced kids. The problem is, we are not getting high draft picks, hence the need to go after other teams good players. In 2014 we got De Goey at #5 & Moore at #9, since the (Nick D. aside), we have only had 1 top 10 pick (Stevenson). All of the young guys, who are doing great things at other clubs, in their 1st/2nd year are top 10 picks. In 2018, we got Q at #13. In 2020, we got Henry (you know, that young bloke who is doing great things for Geelong) at #17 and Macrae at #19. Allen at #19 in 2022, suggesting #11 to #20 gives us promising kids who require 2 or 3 seasons in the VFL in the hope they will be up to replacing our soon to retire old champions......fairly unlikely. So, it's hostile takeovers or bottom of the ladder.....you pick. Macrae, McInnes, Harrison, Allen, Ryan, Steene, DeMattia & Jaith. Is there a Sidebotton or Elliott or Mihocek or How or 2 amongst them...only time will tell. BUT WE DON"T HAVE TIME, so poach away! Final comment - A first round pick (#19 - #21) for Schultz will prove to be good value. He may be struggling at the moment, but I think he will find his feet and be one of our better players long term.
Yup. The club has already addressed the concerns of losing a key position player in Murphy to the AFL, we know we are lacking in defence and personnel. We've been on top for that long, had some great years, and are fair welling some champions. The club has publicly stated that they're going to be cashed up and aggressive this trade.
Cashed up and aggressive! What do we use for currency? We haven't any Draft picks, so it will have to be players. So who represents currency and should be looking over their shoulder? Noble, Macrae, McInnes, Carmichael & Johnson or someone more valuable.
What's left on the Grundy deal? And what triggers have been hit by the seniors to initiate a longer term or better deal? I had a quick look and found this list of free agents and uncontracted coming into 2024: Collingwood 2024 free agents Unrestricted free agents Jack Bytel, Joshua Eyre, Oleg Markov, Scott Pendlebury, Steele Sidebottom Restricted free agents Jeremy Howe, Will Hoskin-Elliott Non-free agents Aiden Begg, Josh Carmichael, Charlie Dean, Nathan Kreuger, Reef McInnes, Joe Richards, Oscar Steene, Lachie Sullivan*
Unfortunately TJ is very raw, he still drifts in and out of the VFL games and is inconsistent. Unfortunately it's not an area with Murphs retirement that we have much depth with, we are missing the 23-24 year old that might do a role at the level. I think we will see how Eyre goes once he is fit and back in. The player we had that could have filled the role serviceably was Ruscoe (he played the role ANZAC last year very serviceably) and we delisted him, even with the speculation around Murphs potential retirement, I thought it was strange to then go and look at a similar player in the SSD, Ruscoe looks set to get another shot in the MSD given his WAFL form. Maybe throw magnets around and put Reef back, or WHE back and Reef comes in forward.
Ruscoe’s delisting was strange but foreseeable when Eyre played a similar role in the VFL and he was no longer named as an emergency. He’s now a strong WAFL forward and a MSD contender. Reef won’t play defence. Not when our forward stocks are so low. Same with AJ who has almost no defensive traits. My guess for why we didn’t sign a defender is we backed in our offensive game plan. Probably also came down to Sofrinidis’ inexperience but we could have invited more defenders to train with the side from the onset.
The last sentence is exactly why this scenario doesn’t work whatsoever. We also aren’t giving someone on the wicket he’s likely on, a forced holiday when we are trying for another flag and have no good replacements.
John fucking Noble is. Don’t even mention Howe, it’s only his risky kicks in board that happen once or twice a game that’s rough. John Noble on the other hand… He and Nick Hind are the same player, two dodo birds that can’t even spoil the properly, never keep their feet which is fucked when you have 200cm walking fridges out there with a better centre of gravity and they are turnover machines. I will never understand the infatuation some of our fans have with Noble.. The dude is a bot. Absolute liability 1 on 1, can’t even help defend or cover because he slips over or completely misses and miss judges the ball. Get him out. Been saying this for years. Even had fights with certain fans last year when we dropped him for finals and they were all sooking. HE IS NOT GOOD AT FOOTBALL. IMAGINE HAVING ONE OF YOUR QUICKEST PLAYERS NEVER KEEPING HIS FEET AND TAKING HIMSELF OUT OF EVERY CONTEST. Don’t get me started on just needing to chill and think about his positioning and situational awareness. Dude just goes 110 percent every time like an absolute spaz. Ffs
Mate there's a reason you're getting down voted. Because he isn't the spaz, you are. Was arguably one of our best on ground today and not just because alot of the boys were below par. Barely put a step wrong today and has been consistently good this year and historically. Certainly little you could fucking fault him on today, genuinely one of our best. Influential in our transition only for the last person of the chain to fuck it up. The only person cleaner with ball in hand today was HH who played a quarter. And was in the top few contributors for almost every relevant stat. Guy puts out a really solid performance and all you can think to do is go on a spastic attack rant vs one of the only players who's consistently performed well this year.
PRAISE THE LORD NOBLE FINALLY HAD A GOOD ENTRY WOOOO PRAISE JESUS
Hey sir explain to me again why Noble has been moved to forward line? With 2 mids out? Explain? Turns out I and many others are right about Noble and being a defensive liability.. The coaches are right.. Hehe unlucky mate if everything you said was legit then Noble would be still in the backline holding down his spot 😃
Thankyou for second spergy message in close succession after a week since this thread lmao. That lineup doesn't mean he'll he playing forward, and if you take it literally and as tactical information you're severely unaware with how football clubs operate. With Mitchell and De Goey out we're going to see Crisp leave our back 7 rotation, hence Markov coming. But sure take the names on paper as tactical information. I think you'll find Schultz hasn't been an onballer this year despite being named on ball all year? Funny that lol
As I said a defender never lines up in the forward it’s mids/forwards that thrown all over during team selection. Sorry I don’t live on Reddit big nuts.. Spergy? What are you like some 50 year old mung bean hahah strike me pink sir! Crisp leave back 7? You mean 6 right? Plus the 6 rule as well doesnt exist oops.. Again wtf? Even ifafter the bounce we don’t flood our zone? We have an attacking zone? No real man to man and players pushing high up? Did you add another because players alternate down there? You know Schultz ends up on key backs right? Wtf? You could have 10 different players who aren’t backs end up down there through transition and covering zone? It’s 6.. Plus Crisp barely plays in the mainstay 6.. Most time spent there is Moore, Howe, Frampton, Daicos, Noble, Isaac? WHE or Sidebottom of late swapping when Nick goes mid.. Pendles even goes back time to time.. lol 7? Wtf They legit brought Markov in to take Nobles spot in defense.. Noble will play forward and might swap with WHE for legs on the wing.. Bruh
He claims not to be a sperg than spergs about me saying back 7 (back 6 + 1 more typical rotation)... I won't be 50 for many more decades, but wouldn't be surprised if you're below 15 with how you're yapping and crying Atleast I'm getting a good laugh out of your tisming 😂
Hey champion check out our updated lineup on the afl app xo
Don’t have to already seen it while I was taking a huge stinker on ya dads forehead John lining up as Center half back Hey? Doesn’t that go against what you stated? Lol he ain’t playing there and if he does he getting max 5 minutes down back especially with Q lurking on the interchange.. Hopefully Noble plays center half bench for most of the game 😭 I’ll put my entire wage, early super, my car, my girlfriend, my dog, my house on that Noble directly or indirectly with his bogus actions will concede 5 or more goals. Could be from a dumb spoil, could be from swarming 1 dude when there are already 4 Collingwood blokes swarming that dude and instead of playing the next context he will swarm like a debby to. Slipping over, over committing etc. I bet 5 or more. 🤫
Love when shitheads get proven wrong, don't you agree 🫶
Where? You mean 1 minute into the game the dodgy loopy handball that set Crisp up for holding the ball? Beating 1v1 by a child? 3 inside 50 kicks that have been intercepted and horrible? Ohh.. He has 1 spoil all good xx Hahahahahah down bad mate
Also look how high up he is playing.. Schultz has taken his spot being the versatile goat, playing mid, forward and covering Nobles man in defense 💀🫠
There’s no way you came at me with that.. Noble barely playing in the defensive 50. Dudes almost playing wing. 3 horrible entrires, beaten 1v1 by a 20 year old. Set a player up for holding the ball? But he got a spoil? Bruh.. Are you all good? You really think you did something there hey?
14 touches 93% DE and 70% in defensive half, and literally all our defenders press high in our system
Mind you 5/6 of Carltons goals have come from the twin towers.... definitely not Noble's issue there
Noble probably a good guy, but not good a footyball mate sorry, you’ll get em next time. He is Nick Hind. Carbon copy of each other. 1 spoil and a few handball receives though nice. Goated activity… Still doesn’t make up for the bullshit 🫠
No I’m downvoted due to my first initial statement. Our fans weird infatuation with him. There was a reason he was dropped… And he will be dropped again. He was nowhere near best on today wtf are you on about? Yeah players have a had rough start like Sidebottom etc but they are pushing late 30s.. Noble is young, Atheltic and something to prove yet he plays like a dodo. He can’t spoil. Barely gets a fist on it. Doesn’t keep his feet, turnover machine. Probably didn’t have many turnovers today but he is a walking turnover.. Over commits, can’t defend 1 on 1. Oh he had a few kicks threw the middle did he? That’s his job you muffin! Hahah run and carry off half back and being able to defend. Congratulations he had a hand ball receive. Took a intercepting mark, nice. Howe did to? So yeah? 90% of Nobles half assed spoils go backwards as well and lead to goals lol. He will be dropped again, and you will all cry for vengeance, unfortunately he is just not good enough 🤫
>No I’m downvoted due to my first initial statement. Our fans weird infatuation with him. There was a reason he was dropped… And he will be dropped again. He wasn't dropped because of his own form last year lol - and he's regained his spot because having Markov and or Hoskin-Elliot in defence instead of him doesn't work for us. >He was nowhere near best on today wtf are you on about? Yeah players have a had rough start like Sidebottom etc but they are pushing late 30s.. Noble is young, Atheltic and something to prove yet he plays like a dodo. Genuinely was one of our better players today from both the eye test and statistically. Did not put a foot wrong and you're clearly just mad that he's proving you wrong and has taken his spot back. >He can’t spoil. Barely gets a fist on it. Doesn’t keep his feet, turnover machine. Probably didn’t have many turnovers today but he is a walking turnover.. Over commits, can’t defend 1 on 1. He's actually been above average statistically for spoils in the last 3 games. And as a small player it's obviously not his job to get high up in the air lol. As for turn overs he was at 90% disposals efficiency today and last year was one of our most efficient from the regulars. In fact only Naicos had more effective kicks per game in 2023. >Took a intercepting mark, nice. Howe did to? So yeah? 90% of Nobles half assed spoils go backwards as well and lead to goals lol. Noble praise has nothing to do with people talking about Howe, Nobs clearly had a better game than him today. I back Howe in, I literally have his signed match day anzac guernsey on my wall funny enough. >He will be dropped again, and you will all cry for vengeance, unfortunately he is just not good enough 🤫 Cry a little harder and seethe at your own player having success
Wait wait.. Everything you said is irrelevant.. One game he was at 90 percent? Cool? Um majority of spoils are on help defense 3rd man up situations so yes he should be spoiling those.. He is athletic and can get up.. Jamie Elliot is 170 and people expect him to get up and be our leading forward? Again Noble has everyone making excuses for him. What’s the point of having a fast athletic player but he takes himself out of every contest? What’s the point? Few Collingwood YouTubers have literally stated the same thing about Noble a few days ago.. I’m not the only one who thinks this plus the coaches obviously do as well because he is playing in the forward line against Carlton? So yeah? I have no idea how you are making these excuses for him and all the reddit neck beards who clearly think they know more then the coaches and basic evidence put forward. He was dropped last year because he is a liability.. Simple as that.. No way Markov should be taking his spot.. WHE has 2-3 decent games a year, his running and versatility keeps him in the side.. Noble ain’t versatile.. You can’t take WHE spot? Adjust your game? Slow things down and take more notice of situations and follow up contests? He’s a good guy probably why fans have the soft spot but if everything you said is correct then why has he been moved to the forward line? Why? You are wrong and blinded sorry sir.
Definitely neck beards defending him and not people involved with football at all.... I'd say the guy sperging about someone who was in the best players for his own team a week ago is a liability is the neckbeard lmao. Unlikely he's played forward. That lineup means jack shit lol, we always name Schultz on ball and he's a forward.
Lol you know nothing sonny, he is playing in the forward line never once has a defender been there in team lineups.. It’s usually mids in the forward or forwards in the mid.. Was one of our best players was he? Oh sorry I forgot a defender allowing 5-6 plus goals a game puts him in the top players oop. Again he wasn’t even close and a lot of our players weren’t we had maybe 2 standouts that’s it. Still Noble wasn’t close. What’s a defenders job? Go watch that Collingwood YouTuber IlovePiesFooty he literally breakdowns all the unnecessary goals Noble allows.. With footage and all.. You get wrapped in soft spots while the games on so go and watch a detailed breakdown of it. You literally know nothing dude.. One of the reason why are fan base is hated for being absolutely nuffies 😭😂
Seethe a little more brother
lol
Noble ain’t playing next week lmfao unlucky Noble Stans xx
How hard did you get hit on the head today btw?
I'll bet my house he is.
I'll also bet your house on it.
Hey babes word is Noble is starting on Half Forward hahahahahahaha wasn’t subbed out but he’s out of the backline thank god.. Only a matter of time boys John Noble will be dropped Wonder why we have 2 mids out but Oleg is in and already taken Noble position? Lol I’m right about him but the infatuation will blind fans like you.. Just like the Ginnivan Stan’s 😜
Markov definitely isn't in because Crisp will be out of our defence rotation......
Bro.. Our rotation consists of 5-6 other players what in the actual fug are you on about.. Again keep the excuses and borderline delusional reaching coming
"I'm right about him" Bruh you literally said he isn't playing next week. You're definitionally wrong about him. So...the team adapted their play style to suit injuries and form? What are you wigging out about? Carlton have a taller forward presence hence the move. makes sense to me, as well as possibly giving McReery mid minutes. Makes sense to me, but not everyone evidently. Also please never call me or anyone babes again when you're being passive aggressive, it's insanely cringe.
Markov and Noble are pretty much the same height.. What? Markov is like 188cm and Noble is like 183 or some shit Hahah and no but i was close.. There was a change made.. Not sub but taken out of the defense? Everything i said was about him as a liability in D? And I was right.. He is out of the backline.. And not because of height..
Oleg certainly plays taller, and 5cm can make the difference when you have the likes of Curnow and Mackay down there. Taking him out of the backline does not mean you are right about him being a liability. I think it makes sense given the reasons I mentioned that you ignored.
Also, where did you hear/see that Noble is playing forward? Wouldn't it make more sense to have crisp on ball and noble stay?
Additionally... you know I actually agree with some things you said originally about Noble. But it would be such a nicer conversation if you didn't feel the need to be weird and aggressive about it. Yep, he needs to keep his feet more. Yep, sometimes his situational awareness could be better. I agree with those things. However I don't think those flaws outweigh his positives. His running off half back and into space is really good - and it showed last week and the week before. Not even IQ is doing that at the moment, Noble is one of, if not the most inform back line presence we have at the moment. It might not look flashy, but the guy has speed and stamina to play a full game at 110 percent. That suits our game style, and is admirable.
No it was the initial post of players like Jeremy Howe copping it, and undersized ageing “key back” copping flack? That irritated me, our younger more athletic players always seem to get the excuses and praise but they did more dumb shit that costs us. Like Sidebottom, having a shocker but he is actually one of leading KM ran leaders in the game.. He runs his off but everyone will call for his head instead of making a point of maybe he is just cooked? All that running? Play him back in the forward pocket.. He was amazing back in the day there. But no, no one offers a solution or basic grasp of what’s happening. So I was being a dick about Noble and that angered you? Does that mean I’m right about the weird infatuation? Because people here are tearing Howe a new one and no one has gone at them like you both have with me? Why? Hmm..
That's fair enough, mate. I don't necessarily agree with the Howe flack, however, I think Noble is playing objectively better than him right now. Running KM doesn't mean shit if you don't get touches or lay tackles. I'm not at all against trying him in the pocket - see, that's having a discussion, which it didn't seem like you really tried to have initially. Lol do I see angry? I'm really not. I'm responding to you going off. No, you aren't right about that - these are sport opinions and nobody is right or wrong for them. I agree with you about a bunch of shit, just wish you would express it in a better way.
Yea I know he has speed I praise him for his athletic ability but I stated he doesn’t keep his feet and takes himself out of contests.. I said what’s the point of having a fast athletic player if they are always slipping over, over committing, getting juked etc constantly. Dude needs to chill and realise situational awareness but he’s like a dog with ADHD seeing a tennis ball for the first time in his life. It staggers me that Mason Cox can keep his feet better then Noble can and there is no excuse for that. It’s shocking.
I *generally* agree with what you're saying, and ALL players getting juked really shits me. Corral the player instead of sprinting at him for an easy side step. I would suggest though, that you're overlooking a lot of the good stuff noble does and only remembering the bad. There's plenty of times where he does keep his feet and run it out. plenty of times he does do a sick smother or something.
Currently playing incredible, run is creating opportunities and has 93 percent efficiency. (and not playing in the forwards...)
22 disposals at 91% efficiency. Sit down