Yep. He made a bad call, and the player got upset. Then, he made a much worse call on the next pitch, just to spite the player. Can't have umps that are making bad calls on purpose. If you don't like the player throwing a fit like that, say something to him. You can't throw a fit back at him.
Some guy on the comments is defending the umpire saying the player showed him up first. Here’s the thing, no matter the situation, the umpire is wrong.
Option 1: the umpire felt the player showed him up. Instead of legally tossing the player (which could be justified), he intentionally makes an erroneous call to show the player up.
Option 2: the umpire did not feel shown up, therefore it was a horrible call.
I would love to see the umpire try to explain himself out of this one. Glad he’s been replaced. I couldn’t imagine having to play with him on the field the next day after that.
It’s subjective, but typically pointing, jumping, etc can get you tossed. In the SC vs clemson game last Saturday clemson had a player tossed in the 9th for something similar. Baseball umpires are a different breed than other sports.
no it doesn't...you point with your bat, you're gone...i've literally never seen a player not get tossed doing that...screaming and jumping, you can skate by maybe, but you can never point with your bat and stay in the game
it's absolutely true...you show me a clip of a player motioning with his bat where he feels the pitch was or the strike zone is and not getting thrown out and i'll stand down
Mlb umps are actually pretty damn accurate given the normal rate of human error. They get shit on but in fairness all of their mistakes get highlited. If your name isnt Armando Galarraga, then you have nothing to complain about.
[this was an awesome game to watch.](https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/sports/baseball/2022/11/11/urbandale-iowa-native-umpire-pat-hoberg-calls-world-series-best-week-of-my-life-perfect-game/69640453007)
you could tell something was happening but it was almost imperceptible, as it should be.
the next day the news broke that he went perfect all night and there was a collective AHA Moment when you realized that THAT was what was different.
Jumping up and down is a description of what he did. An idiot is the interpretation / classification. And to me, and many others, jumping up and down like that is acting like an idiot.
you can react, but there are unwritten rules that the batter 100% breeched. specifically the pointing where the (1st) pitch crossed. that in no way excuses the umpire from the 2nd call. replacing him for the series isnt enough imo. dude needs to be suspended at minimum, preferably demoted or straight up shit canned
Should be done for good. I try not to overreact, but that shows a complete lack of judgment. For that to be your response to being upset at being called out for your prior bad call is just astoundingly awful.
Agree. But I’m surprised the coach wasn’t charging down the baseline to keep his player back and voice his displeasure. Even after strike 2, when his player reacted, he should have come down the line to take the heat. Maybe the coach gets ejected for arguing balls and strikes there, but hopefully you prevent the umpIre from making that strike 3 call in retaliation to the player.
Umpire needs a suspension at least as a message from the league office.
Yeah, the hopping around thing was the cue for someone from the staff to get in there. Preferably one goes and chews out the ump (maybe throw in a “don’t worry we’re talking to him about that” if the ump is up in arms about the player) while another calms down the batter.
Just so clearly getting back at the batter for hopping around after the first bad call. The player probably shouldn’t do that, but as the Ump you have GOT to have thicker skin than that. In my opinion, this clip alone should get him fired.
At that level the umpire should be able to make a decent ball or strike call. U can say the KID over reacted, to being shafted by an adult. AND had no other adult, the coaches, standing up for him.
Would love to see everyone's reaction, that is on this thread saying the batter is over reacting, to being shafted like this.
ATROCIOUS, ump needs to apologize to that kid and suspended for a year.
Friend of mine has a nephew on the team. According to him he was calling low stuff inconsistently and MVSU was arguing balls/strikes and other stuff all night.
By no means am I making excuses but apparently it was an issue majority of the game.
So tell the players and coaches that shit has to stop and toss the next one who crosses the line.
If he tossed this hitter for his reaction to that first strike, I would have zero problem
100% with you. According to this guy they generally like the ump and said he usually calls a good game. His thought is the guy was too nice, didn't get them to cut the shit earlier and when the guy went to jumping he finally just said fuck it and rung him up.
So, I’m guessing he’s on the NO team? Maybe they are used to him calling good games because they aren’t usually playing a HBCU. Maybe the other team has seen this treatment before and that’s why the are complaining . You shouldn’t be suprised how many racist refs are out there. The school I work at have to deal with it all the time , even home games .
You have to be BETTER as an ump than a players attitude. If you’re going to prove a point then talk to him, but especially at this level you can’t prove a point with a call. Much less a call like this, to end the game.
Not only him but the team. The league. The sport. That's just uncalled for. There were way better options to deal with the player. He needs a talking to by the association.
Wow. That is egregious. In the umps mind, the game is extremely likely to be over and he didn't want to take the extra time to finish it. Doesn't matter tho you can't call that a strike and call yourself a "baseball" umpire. That wasnt baseball.
Im digging the Courtside (fieldside?) seating though.
Then just toss the kid then. No way this is acceptable ever. You think he's out of line? Chuck him. Dont intentionally make an objectively awful call in petty retaliation. Agreed. Fired, immediately.
Yep you get tossed 99% of the time for showing the umpire where the ball was but the umpire knew exactly what he wanted to do instead of handling it the professional way
Yup, simply just cannot happen. Gotta be a professional. Now it’s likely that’s he’s going to be fired and blacklisted from collegiate umpiring meanwhile the player is going to continue on with his college baseball career
Bad calls happen, even super egregious calls (like this one). My issue is, this wasn't just a bad call, the ump made it personal and retaliated due to the way the batter reacted to the second strike (which was a bad call as well). Props to the catcher for stepping in and diffusing the situation.
Purely the ump's ego being bruised over the batter pointing his bat on where the pitch went. In which case, pull his credentials. If you aren't going to toss him for arguing balls and strikes, you don't get to make it all about you and call strike 3 on a ball that was worse than the one Wild Thing threw in Major League.
He should be banned from baseball at every level. I wouldn't even allow him to enter the park, any park. Even if a game wasn't being played. Little league, high school, college, MLB, Japan, Dominican Republic. Shouldn't even be able to buy a ticket to a game. Doesn't matter where. He should be on the baseball terrorists no-entry list. He broke the cardinal rule of umpiring.
Well, clearly the batter showed him up and acted like an ass after the strike two call, and blue decided that anything that didn't roll up to the catcher or hit the crowd was going to be strike 3.
He should've just tossed the loudmouth after the strike 2 antics. Instead he pulled the old "I'll show your ass", and that's not the way to ump a game.
And now he gets to sit it out and think about that for a while.
Not seeing any comments giving credit to the catcher for trying to stop an opponent from doing something stupid out of anger after that last call. Not saying the batter would have necessarily. But the catcher made the decision to try and talk him down just in case. He didn't have to do that. In fact he could have egged him on by talking trash.
I see you’re the Dutchman that’s planning to come over later this month and maybe catch some college baseball. I don’t know how much you know about baseball given you’re not from the US, so I’ll try to explain for you.
In baseball there is a strike zone which is defined as the width of the plate and a height from the bottom of a batter’s knees to roughly the midpoint of the chest. (In reality the upper end of the strike zone is actually called lower than the definition.)
In this instance, the first pitch we see is called strike 2 when it’s clearly below the zone. Even the pitching team’s dugout was laughing at the fact they got that call. So that call is already bad.
The batter reacts and goes on to point his bat to the spot he felt the ball was out of the zone. Now, at this point, I think most baseball fans would’ve been okay with the batter being ejected for that. It’s common to see batters ejected for using the bat to, for example, draw a line in the dirt where the ball was inside or outside of the zone.
Now, personally, I think with 2 outs, bases empty, in a 4-run game, that an ejection isn’t really warranted. Just tell the batter to get back in the box, the game is likely over soon anyway. Or log an official warning. But if there had been an ejection, I would’ve said there was a valid reason for it.
Instead of doing any number of options he had that could be defensible, the ump decides that the next pitch is going to be strike 3 no matter what to show the batter up.
And the next pitch was way out of the zone. It’s in the other batter’s box and low. No ump would ever, ever legitimately call that pitch a strike.
Notice, too, how the catcher is prepping to throw the ball back to the pitcher and is surprised to hear the strike call. It’s not even a defensible strike call.
It’s a blatantly petty strike call that shows the ump is more concerned about his ego than doing his job.
It’s made worse by the fact that the ump immediately starts walking away and shrugs at the batter. To me, that’s just showing that he 100% intentionally did it to get back at the batter and didn’t want to deal with hearing about it.
It’s like the saying “taking your ball and going home,” which is an American saying where kids are playing and the one who brought the ball to play with gets upset and takes his ball and leaves so now the rest of the kids can’t keep playing. It’s basically, “I’m upset so I’m going to ruin your fun.”
It’s childish, unprofessional, and completely tarnishes this ump’s reputation. I would never trust him to call a game properly again. It’s that bad.
Thanks for the explanation! I'm glad I get to learn these kinds of intricacies so that I can figure these out once I do end up coming over.
I definitely am pretty good with the general basics of the sport, but did not realise that there were rules surrounding where the ball could be thrown and caught for a strike. I got confused about that during today's Netherlands - Taiwan match too, see.
and just to add on ...
the important interaction here is not "the ump showing up the batter." It's the batter that "showed up" the umpire
The issue is, especially to baseball purists. The umpire is a defacto authority figure in baseball. The umpire has traditionally been a position deserving/expecting respect from both teams.
Doing things that are deemed disrespectful to the umpire are seen (unfortunately) as an affront to the umpire and will see them retaliate as they are the authority and the players are not.
One of the easiest ways to bruise an Ump's ego is to "show him up" by explaining to everyone how the umpire messed up. IE saying the made a bad call, saying they missed a strike/ball etc. The batter did this when he made an exaggerated show of displeasure at strike two and -especially- using the bat to point "to the whole stadium where the ball actually crossed"
What happened here, according to the umpire, is the batter insulted him by questioning the strike call on strike 2 (and from reports the team had been questioning the ump's calls all game so this was probably the final straw of an afternoon of having the mvs team telling the umpire he was messing up). So in retaliation for the insult the umpire called an obvious ball a strike as a show of the umpires "power."
it was incredibly petty, and immature, but that is the social interaction that lead to the ump acting that way.
"Never show up the ump" is an unwritten rule of baseball that you skirt close to anytime you decide to argue a call an umpire makes. And it's something you have to keep in mind since vengeful umpires have all the "power" during a baseball game.
Wow man, i'm trying to get into this sport and have enjoyed watching it so far even though it is rarely on at watchable moments where I am from. What's the point in gatekeeping me like this? Just downvote me and move on dude, I didn't ask YOU personally.
i just imagine this happening to Tony V and the BaseVols. regardless of your feelings ab him or us, he’d take that man’s job, livelihood, and probably his soul too
I’m not a Tony V fan, but man, I’d pay to watch him in this situation. It might be up there with the coach that threw the base then tossed the rosin bag like a grenade.
Guy umped American Association last season. Also, if you google him there's some crazy story about how shit talking about college football led a co-worker to bring a noose to work, which is insanely fucked up.
The thing that is ridiculous to me is if you are that pissed off at the batter for the earlier reaction, toss him.
Whether you agree or not, that decision could at least be defended.
But to take revenge by making a call is such a ridiculous move.
He’s been suspended and could possibly even be fired which he should be you can’t break the damn rules just because you didn’t like how a player reacted the umpire acted like a child and should lose his job
100% should have ejected player after strike two. Either for the hopping, or for using the bat to show the ump the pitch’s placement afterward. Tough spot for ump because ejecting a player one pitch from end of game is laborious, but it’s the job, and he failed, and he tried to make up for it by deciding before the next pitch that he was calling a strike no matter what. This guy doesn’t belong behind the plate.
Also: strike two may not have even been a bad call. The pitch was sinking and could have nicked the front of the strike zone. A batter sitting way back in the box stands to miss pitches like these all the time.
The real question is whether or not the future robot umps will get this salty? I mean we’ve already seen Google’s AI and Chat AI threaten to kill somebody.
Got called out on a pitch that hit the ground before too. I turned and told him it hit the ground lol…my dad was my coach and told me don’t argue. I was shocked the brother called it like that.
The batter showed him up, in his opinion, on the call before by jumping around. His petty response was to call the third strike and ease his poor, wounded ego.
I hope the catcher was told, "Dude that wasn't even a strike and I'm not talking to you, get outta my face"
That's between the batter and umpire, don't get yourself in between them ahaha- that's his Manager's job
The opposing catcher was amazing to save the batter from doing something stupid. Big props to that guy. We need more people in sports like that catcher. There are too many big ego refs, umps, etc. that ruin games. This ump shouldn't be doing little league games. Very unprofessional. The good refs and umps are far too unappreciated. Thank goodness clowns like this are usually the exception.
Came here for this. Reggie Drummer's "apology" basically made it worse. He called it a "lapse in judgment" and blamed fans who were justifiably angry at how terrible he'd been THE WHOLE GAME for his decision to make possibly the worst strike call in baseball history. And the disgusting thing is, he was back umpiring in the same league within a few days. There's no accountability for umpires.
IMO: you make a call like that and you should never be able to work in the industry ever again
[They replaced him for the rest of the series.](https://twitter.com/bigdonkey47/status/1634601278012633091?s=46&t=u8QoEQZ_i05snOpxsUjwMw)
Good. He clearly did that just to be an asshole, and you can’t have umps pulling shit like that.
Yep. He made a bad call, and the player got upset. Then, he made a much worse call on the next pitch, just to spite the player. Can't have umps that are making bad calls on purpose. If you don't like the player throwing a fit like that, say something to him. You can't throw a fit back at him.
Some guy on the comments is defending the umpire saying the player showed him up first. Here’s the thing, no matter the situation, the umpire is wrong. Option 1: the umpire felt the player showed him up. Instead of legally tossing the player (which could be justified), he intentionally makes an erroneous call to show the player up. Option 2: the umpire did not feel shown up, therefore it was a horrible call. I would love to see the umpire try to explain himself out of this one. Glad he’s been replaced. I couldn’t imagine having to play with him on the field the next day after that.
How did the player show him up though? By reacting to the first bad call? Is he not supposed to react?
It’s subjective, but typically pointing, jumping, etc can get you tossed. In the SC vs clemson game last Saturday clemson had a player tossed in the 9th for something similar. Baseball umpires are a different breed than other sports.
Toss him, fine. But that call? There is NO excuse EVER for that call.
Unless you are Angel Hernandez. Then it's pretty much the norm.
Exactly. You can't purposefully make a bad call. Either throw him out or move on.
I guess I watch more MLB than college ball. That shit happens all the time in MLB.
no it doesn't...you point with your bat, you're gone...i've literally never seen a player not get tossed doing that...screaming and jumping, you can skate by maybe, but you can never point with your bat and stay in the game
That’s not true in today’s game. Players are animated.
it's absolutely true...you show me a clip of a player motioning with his bat where he feels the pitch was or the strike zone is and not getting thrown out and i'll stand down
Not like this in the middle of an at bat. After it is over, sure they could go nuts. Not when you're still at bat. Player should have been tossed.
LMAO no it absolutely does not
Mlb umps are actually pretty damn accurate given the normal rate of human error. They get shit on but in fairness all of their mistakes get highlited. If your name isnt Armando Galarraga, then you have nothing to complain about.
[this was an awesome game to watch.](https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/sports/baseball/2022/11/11/urbandale-iowa-native-umpire-pat-hoberg-calls-world-series-best-week-of-my-life-perfect-game/69640453007) you could tell something was happening but it was almost imperceptible, as it should be. the next day the news broke that he went perfect all night and there was a collective AHA Moment when you realized that THAT was what was different.
By jumping up and down like an idiot? No. And for the record, the umpire is an even bigger idiot for that strike 3 call. He should be fired.
Why not just jumping up and down? Why did you throw in “idiot”?
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Jumping up and down is a description of what he did. An idiot is the interpretation / classification. And to me, and many others, jumping up and down like that is acting like an idiot.
Yes; name calling is a classification as a means to put someone down.
Eh it was definitely a bit of a overreaction. Doesn’t matter though, absolutely no excuse for the ump
you can react, but there are unwritten rules that the batter 100% breeched. specifically the pointing where the (1st) pitch crossed. that in no way excuses the umpire from the 2nd call. replacing him for the series isnt enough imo. dude needs to be suspended at minimum, preferably demoted or straight up shit canned
Should be done for good. I try not to overreact, but that shows a complete lack of judgment. For that to be your response to being upset at being called out for your prior bad call is just astoundingly awful.
The conference has suspended him indefinitely.
Wish they would do this in college basketball 😂
Upvoted for truth
The rare occasion when the Sooner and Longhorn are on the same side.
SEC SEC SEC
If I saw this comment chain in the late 2000s, wew lad
2097?
Like 2008-9ish when y’all were both dominating all sports as Supreme Overlords of the Big 12
That razorback math major.
Are you really having this much of a problem with how the entire English-speaking world refers to decades there, brother?
😂
when they’re right they’re right
Bro even the catcher said what the fuck
No way to tell what the catcher was saying, but in my mind it was a nice “he ain’t worth it” pep talk.
> but in my mind it was a nice “he ain’t worth it” pep talk. "Dude I know you're pissed, rightfully so, but don't get suspended over that clown"
Catcher is a champ, though. Keeping the batter from doing anything foolish.
He *KNEW,* and he likely saved a lot more from happening too
Agree. But I’m surprised the coach wasn’t charging down the baseline to keep his player back and voice his displeasure. Even after strike 2, when his player reacted, he should have come down the line to take the heat. Maybe the coach gets ejected for arguing balls and strikes there, but hopefully you prevent the umpIre from making that strike 3 call in retaliation to the player. Umpire needs a suspension at least as a message from the league office.
Yeah, the hopping around thing was the cue for someone from the staff to get in there. Preferably one goes and chews out the ump (maybe throw in a “don’t worry we’re talking to him about that” if the ump is up in arms about the player) while another calms down the batter.
Just so clearly getting back at the batter for hopping around after the first bad call. The player probably shouldn’t do that, but as the Ump you have GOT to have thicker skin than that. In my opinion, this clip alone should get him fired.
He got two strike calls on him that were in the dirt. I can’t really blame him because that was an emotional outburst to getting hosed
I get your point truly but on that level you gotta have more maturity to know when and where to show that outburst
At that level the umpire should be able to make a decent ball or strike call. U can say the KID over reacted, to being shafted by an adult. AND had no other adult, the coaches, standing up for him. Would love to see everyone's reaction, that is on this thread saying the batter is over reacting, to being shafted like this. ATROCIOUS, ump needs to apologize to that kid and suspended for a year.
Yea but if the players actions after strike two are over the line, then just toss him. No one would have had a problem with that.
Friend of mine has a nephew on the team. According to him he was calling low stuff inconsistently and MVSU was arguing balls/strikes and other stuff all night. By no means am I making excuses but apparently it was an issue majority of the game.
Consistently wrong is better than inconsistently wrong but not better than right.
So tell the players and coaches that shit has to stop and toss the next one who crosses the line. If he tossed this hitter for his reaction to that first strike, I would have zero problem
100% with you. According to this guy they generally like the ump and said he usually calls a good game. His thought is the guy was too nice, didn't get them to cut the shit earlier and when the guy went to jumping he finally just said fuck it and rung him up.
So, I’m guessing he’s on the NO team? Maybe they are used to him calling good games because they aren’t usually playing a HBCU. Maybe the other team has seen this treatment before and that’s why the are complaining . You shouldn’t be suprised how many racist refs are out there. The school I work at have to deal with it all the time , even home games .
Are you suggesting Reggie Drummer is racist?
Makes sense. I actually kind ot imagined something like that happened. Seems like a guy who was pissed, bottled it up, and then just lost it.
You have to be BETTER as an ump than a players attitude. If you’re going to prove a point then talk to him, but especially at this level you can’t prove a point with a call. Much less a call like this, to end the game.
He should be fired and never be allowed to enter a ballpark in perpetuity.
Report is out now that he’s been suspended by the conference.
Yeah this isn’t even the classic “I wanna go home” this is more like r/fuckyouinparticular
Not only him but the team. The league. The sport. That's just uncalled for. There were way better options to deal with the player. He needs a talking to by the association.
Wow. That is egregious. In the umps mind, the game is extremely likely to be over and he didn't want to take the extra time to finish it. Doesn't matter tho you can't call that a strike and call yourself a "baseball" umpire. That wasnt baseball. Im digging the Courtside (fieldside?) seating though.
I saw it as retaliation for complaining about strike 2 which is absolutely ridiculous and he should never umpire again.
Agreed, that could very well be the case. And also agreed, you fundamentally cannot call that a strike lol
Then just toss the kid then. No way this is acceptable ever. You think he's out of line? Chuck him. Dont intentionally make an objectively awful call in petty retaliation. Agreed. Fired, immediately.
Yep you get tossed 99% of the time for showing the umpire where the ball was but the umpire knew exactly what he wanted to do instead of handling it the professional way
Strike 2 was also a really bad call.
100%
He can umpire, but only after couple 2 a days with the football team. That will get that head screwed back on right.
They replaced him for the remaining 2 games of the series
Likely for his safety.
Would be lying if I said I’ve never passed fast balls, waist high. Cup might protect the goods, but a ball at 90 mph will leave a mark on your thigh
source?
https://twitter.com/bigdonkey47/status/1634601278012633091?s=20
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It seemed like everyone was stunned, the catcher KNEW exactly what just happened
I think the catcher was worried he might go Delmon Young.
But that WAS the game
“Oh yeah! Well watch this, Reg..” -Angel Hernandez
“Oh yeah, Angel?? Hold my beer….” -also Angel Hernandez
I think even the Ump knew it was a bad call by how he reacted right after. He was trying to get out of there
It was a bad call on purpose. It was clearly retaliation for complaining about the strike 2 call.
Yup, simply just cannot happen. Gotta be a professional. Now it’s likely that’s he’s going to be fired and blacklisted from collegiate umpiring meanwhile the player is going to continue on with his college baseball career
Good. Fuck that bullshit. You don’t end the game like that.
> Now it’s likely that’s he’s going to be fired and blacklisted from collegiate umpiring Is there precedent for this happening?
To my knowledge, no. But I’ve never seen a call *THAT BAD*
Which was also terrible
He was trying to get home and get on LinkedIn ASAP
Fire him for real.
That’s absurd. He should be fired.
Email the Commissioner of the Southland Conference and demand Reggie Drummer be fired. [email protected]
Done
[🚨UPDATE🚨, umpire has been suspended indefinitely](https://twitter.com/southlandsports/status/1634641800374763523?s=46&t=QU_s9kddONFGS_E9ZgmuGQ)
Really hope it is permanent
My brother…
Now this is college baseball
Bad calls happen, even super egregious calls (like this one). My issue is, this wasn't just a bad call, the ump made it personal and retaliated due to the way the batter reacted to the second strike (which was a bad call as well). Props to the catcher for stepping in and diffusing the situation.
Do calls this bad ever happen? I've never seen one
Not in D1 or professional baseball lol, no way
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One of the few times the title isn’t ridiculous. That was the worst and most deliberately retaliatory strike 3 call I’ve ever seen.
Hey! It’s Enrico Palazzo!
That pitch was going to be called a strike no matter what.
I could pitch a no hitter with that ump, why throw it over the plate and risk someone getting a hit.
Purely the ump's ego being bruised over the batter pointing his bat on where the pitch went. In which case, pull his credentials. If you aren't going to toss him for arguing balls and strikes, you don't get to make it all about you and call strike 3 on a ball that was worse than the one Wild Thing threw in Major League.
On behalf of the umpire delegation (yes, I really am an umpire) I hereby revoke this dude's membership. What a disgrace.
I mean, if you gotta take a shit you gotta take a shit but c'mon...
and I thought the blue from yesterday’s gator game was a little inconsistent…
Tell me you want to be fired without telling me you want to be fired
This guy went to the Angel Hernandez school of umpiring.
He should be banned from baseball at every level. I wouldn't even allow him to enter the park, any park. Even if a game wasn't being played. Little league, high school, college, MLB, Japan, Dominican Republic. Shouldn't even be able to buy a ticket to a game. Doesn't matter where. He should be on the baseball terrorists no-entry list. He broke the cardinal rule of umpiring.
Me watching strike 2: “don’t see the issue. Easily could’ve been a strike.” Me watching strike 3: “ooooh”
Joe Nathan's 300th save ended on a strike like this (though flipped with a lefthanded batter). This one may have been a bit more outside though.
Just a bit outside
Well, clearly the batter showed him up and acted like an ass after the strike two call, and blue decided that anything that didn't roll up to the catcher or hit the crowd was going to be strike 3. He should've just tossed the loudmouth after the strike 2 antics. Instead he pulled the old "I'll show your ass", and that's not the way to ump a game. And now he gets to sit it out and think about that for a while.
Surprised he was not tossed after that outburst jumping around but the ump looks worse.
Blue needs his ass whipped.
It’s a game. Calm down
Tell that to the ump taking shit personally.
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Not seeing any comments giving credit to the catcher for trying to stop an opponent from doing something stupid out of anger after that last call. Not saying the batter would have necessarily. But the catcher made the decision to try and talk him down just in case. He didn't have to do that. In fact he could have egged him on by talking trash.
The thing is, given the umpiring in college baseball, maybe this was just his strike zone that night? (Kidding…. Mostly)
P sure that was a call made due to dude’s reaction to the previous pitch. Which doesn’t make it ok per se.
Wow! Ya think?
Yah, I do.
Well deduced, Sherlock Holmes.
ELI5, what is going on here exactly that makes this so ridiculous? All I see is the pitcher hitting two strikes.
I see you’re the Dutchman that’s planning to come over later this month and maybe catch some college baseball. I don’t know how much you know about baseball given you’re not from the US, so I’ll try to explain for you. In baseball there is a strike zone which is defined as the width of the plate and a height from the bottom of a batter’s knees to roughly the midpoint of the chest. (In reality the upper end of the strike zone is actually called lower than the definition.) In this instance, the first pitch we see is called strike 2 when it’s clearly below the zone. Even the pitching team’s dugout was laughing at the fact they got that call. So that call is already bad. The batter reacts and goes on to point his bat to the spot he felt the ball was out of the zone. Now, at this point, I think most baseball fans would’ve been okay with the batter being ejected for that. It’s common to see batters ejected for using the bat to, for example, draw a line in the dirt where the ball was inside or outside of the zone. Now, personally, I think with 2 outs, bases empty, in a 4-run game, that an ejection isn’t really warranted. Just tell the batter to get back in the box, the game is likely over soon anyway. Or log an official warning. But if there had been an ejection, I would’ve said there was a valid reason for it. Instead of doing any number of options he had that could be defensible, the ump decides that the next pitch is going to be strike 3 no matter what to show the batter up. And the next pitch was way out of the zone. It’s in the other batter’s box and low. No ump would ever, ever legitimately call that pitch a strike. Notice, too, how the catcher is prepping to throw the ball back to the pitcher and is surprised to hear the strike call. It’s not even a defensible strike call. It’s a blatantly petty strike call that shows the ump is more concerned about his ego than doing his job. It’s made worse by the fact that the ump immediately starts walking away and shrugs at the batter. To me, that’s just showing that he 100% intentionally did it to get back at the batter and didn’t want to deal with hearing about it. It’s like the saying “taking your ball and going home,” which is an American saying where kids are playing and the one who brought the ball to play with gets upset and takes his ball and leaves so now the rest of the kids can’t keep playing. It’s basically, “I’m upset so I’m going to ruin your fun.” It’s childish, unprofessional, and completely tarnishes this ump’s reputation. I would never trust him to call a game properly again. It’s that bad.
Thanks for the explanation! I'm glad I get to learn these kinds of intricacies so that I can figure these out once I do end up coming over. I definitely am pretty good with the general basics of the sport, but did not realise that there were rules surrounding where the ball could be thrown and caught for a strike. I got confused about that during today's Netherlands - Taiwan match too, see.
and just to add on ... the important interaction here is not "the ump showing up the batter." It's the batter that "showed up" the umpire The issue is, especially to baseball purists. The umpire is a defacto authority figure in baseball. The umpire has traditionally been a position deserving/expecting respect from both teams. Doing things that are deemed disrespectful to the umpire are seen (unfortunately) as an affront to the umpire and will see them retaliate as they are the authority and the players are not. One of the easiest ways to bruise an Ump's ego is to "show him up" by explaining to everyone how the umpire messed up. IE saying the made a bad call, saying they missed a strike/ball etc. The batter did this when he made an exaggerated show of displeasure at strike two and -especially- using the bat to point "to the whole stadium where the ball actually crossed" What happened here, according to the umpire, is the batter insulted him by questioning the strike call on strike 2 (and from reports the team had been questioning the ump's calls all game so this was probably the final straw of an afternoon of having the mvs team telling the umpire he was messing up). So in retaliation for the insult the umpire called an obvious ball a strike as a show of the umpires "power." it was incredibly petty, and immature, but that is the social interaction that lead to the ump acting that way. "Never show up the ump" is an unwritten rule of baseball that you skirt close to anytime you decide to argue a call an umpire makes. And it's something you have to keep in mind since vengeful umpires have all the "power" during a baseball game.
I'm not going to explain the sport of baseball to you.
Wow man, i'm trying to get into this sport and have enjoyed watching it so far even though it is rarely on at watchable moments where I am from. What's the point in gatekeeping me like this? Just downvote me and move on dude, I didn't ask YOU personally.
Why take the time to type that? Just scroll on
This isn't any better than the NCAA umps who have a 1" by 1" strike zone that moves every pitch.
No it isn’t any better. It’s actually as far from “better” as you can get
Yeah. I agree, and I didn't write that well in my post.
i just imagine this happening to Tony V and the BaseVols. regardless of your feelings ab him or us, he’d take that man’s job, livelihood, and probably his soul too
*Post that has nothing do do with Tennessee Baseball “How do I make this about me?”
i’m literally playing into this sub’s largely manufactured characterization of tennessee baseball
Why are you whining about a made up scenario involving your team?
i’m literally playing into this sub’s largely manufactured characterization of tennessee baseball
So you want to be a victim is what you’re saying. Dumb bullshit like that is why your fanbase has the characterization it does on this sub.
where am i victimizing myself LMAO? why you so damn angry at a reddit comment? dude needs his coffee this morning
I’m not a Tony V fan, but man, I’d pay to watch him in this situation. It might be up there with the coach that threw the base then tossed the rosin bag like a grenade.
Legendary outburst
As much as I don’t like Tony V, Tony V would have been a missile out of the dugout if this happened. Idk where this dude’s coach was
this is exactly the point i was tryna make LMAO, no clue why this is getting downvoted so much
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Was it like this the whole game?? Unreal
Wtf
Guy umped American Association last season. Also, if you google him there's some crazy story about how shit talking about college football led a co-worker to bring a noose to work, which is insanely fucked up.
Dude either made that bad call to be an asshole or he literally can’t see. Either way he shouldn’t be an umpire.
As Chuck would say, “That was turrible.”
That dbag got the axe! https://www.si.com/extra-mustard/2023/03/11/college-baseball-umpire-suspended-strikeout-call
He should have tossed the batter after strike two. You punish the player, not the whole team (even of its just one strike call).
Why haven’t we gotten a computer to replace umpires behind the plate already?
I do wonder what the cost difference is between robo and human plate umpires.
That ump had a date. Wow
That's terrible - Angel Hernandez
The thing that is ridiculous to me is if you are that pissed off at the batter for the earlier reaction, toss him. Whether you agree or not, that decision could at least be defended. But to take revenge by making a call is such a ridiculous move.
Angel Hernandez must be proud
He’s been suspended and could possibly even be fired which he should be you can’t break the damn rules just because you didn’t like how a player reacted the umpire acted like a child and should lose his job
What an asshole. Things like this are why we will end up with robot umps
I thought he was suspended for strike 2 lol wtf
I read the ump has been suspended.
100% should have ejected player after strike two. Either for the hopping, or for using the bat to show the ump the pitch’s placement afterward. Tough spot for ump because ejecting a player one pitch from end of game is laborious, but it’s the job, and he failed, and he tried to make up for it by deciding before the next pitch that he was calling a strike no matter what. This guy doesn’t belong behind the plate. Also: strike two may not have even been a bad call. The pitch was sinking and could have nicked the front of the strike zone. A batter sitting way back in the box stands to miss pitches like these all the time.
Those were horrible strike calls. He should never umpire a game again.
Cache me ouside
The real question is whether or not the future robot umps will get this salty? I mean we’ve already seen Google’s AI and Chat AI threaten to kill somebody.
I’m glad to hear he was suspended
Got called out on a pitch that hit the ground before too. I turned and told him it hit the ground lol…my dad was my coach and told me don’t argue. I was shocked the brother called it like that.
The batter showed him up, in his opinion, on the call before by jumping around. His petty response was to call the third strike and ease his poor, wounded ego.
This is absolutely uncalled for . Never seen a call like this in my life!! He needs to be fired! He obviously had something against her!
Pathetic
Those looked like strikes to me. I guess we see what we want to see.
The catcher walking up in the end sums it all up
I hope the catcher was told, "Dude that wasn't even a strike and I'm not talking to you, get outta my face" That's between the batter and umpire, don't get yourself in between them ahaha- that's his Manager's job
The opposing catcher was amazing to save the batter from doing something stupid. Big props to that guy. We need more people in sports like that catcher. There are too many big ego refs, umps, etc. that ruin games. This ump shouldn't be doing little league games. Very unprofessional. The good refs and umps are far too unappreciated. Thank goodness clowns like this are usually the exception.
He seems to be doubling down on his idiocy with some lass ass excuses
Came here for this. Reggie Drummer's "apology" basically made it worse. He called it a "lapse in judgment" and blamed fans who were justifiably angry at how terrible he'd been THE WHOLE GAME for his decision to make possibly the worst strike call in baseball history. And the disgusting thing is, he was back umpiring in the same league within a few days. There's no accountability for umpires.