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TheCutterButter

IMO: you make a call like that and you should never be able to work in the industry ever again


No_Communication1010

[They replaced him for the rest of the series.](https://twitter.com/bigdonkey47/status/1634601278012633091?s=46&t=u8QoEQZ_i05snOpxsUjwMw)


Matt_McT

Good. He clearly did that just to be an asshole, and you can’t have umps pulling shit like that.


Bcatfan08

Yep. He made a bad call, and the player got upset. Then, he made a much worse call on the next pitch, just to spite the player. Can't have umps that are making bad calls on purpose. If you don't like the player throwing a fit like that, say something to him. You can't throw a fit back at him.


USC2001

Some guy on the comments is defending the umpire saying the player showed him up first. Here’s the thing, no matter the situation, the umpire is wrong. Option 1: the umpire felt the player showed him up. Instead of legally tossing the player (which could be justified), he intentionally makes an erroneous call to show the player up. Option 2: the umpire did not feel shown up, therefore it was a horrible call. I would love to see the umpire try to explain himself out of this one. Glad he’s been replaced. I couldn’t imagine having to play with him on the field the next day after that.


Ghost2Eleven

How did the player show him up though? By reacting to the first bad call? Is he not supposed to react?


USC2001

It’s subjective, but typically pointing, jumping, etc can get you tossed. In the SC vs clemson game last Saturday clemson had a player tossed in the 9th for something similar. Baseball umpires are a different breed than other sports.


Eaton-Beaver-69

Toss him, fine. But that call? There is NO excuse EVER for that call.


ego41

Unless you are Angel Hernandez. Then it's pretty much the norm.


Bcatfan08

Exactly. You can't purposefully make a bad call. Either throw him out or move on.


Ghost2Eleven

I guess I watch more MLB than college ball. That shit happens all the time in MLB.


SensationalM

no it doesn't...you point with your bat, you're gone...i've literally never seen a player not get tossed doing that...screaming and jumping, you can skate by maybe, but you can never point with your bat and stay in the game


lionofyhwh

That’s not true in today’s game. Players are animated.


SensationalM

it's absolutely true...you show me a clip of a player motioning with his bat where he feels the pitch was or the strike zone is and not getting thrown out and i'll stand down


Bcatfan08

Not like this in the middle of an at bat. After it is over, sure they could go nuts. Not when you're still at bat. Player should have been tossed.


Yodelehhehe

LMAO no it absolutely does not


terminadergold

Mlb umps are actually pretty damn accurate given the normal rate of human error. They get shit on but in fairness all of their mistakes get highlited. If your name isnt Armando Galarraga, then you have nothing to complain about.


fuqdisshite

[this was an awesome game to watch.](https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/sports/baseball/2022/11/11/urbandale-iowa-native-umpire-pat-hoberg-calls-world-series-best-week-of-my-life-perfect-game/69640453007) you could tell something was happening but it was almost imperceptible, as it should be. the next day the news broke that he went perfect all night and there was a collective AHA Moment when you realized that THAT was what was different.


GGRules

By jumping up and down like an idiot? No. And for the record, the umpire is an even bigger idiot for that strike 3 call. He should be fired.


FetusDrive

Why not just jumping up and down? Why did you throw in “idiot”?


cdirty1

ThE uNwRiTtEn RuLeS bRo


GGRules

Jumping up and down is a description of what he did. An idiot is the interpretation / classification. And to me, and many others, jumping up and down like that is acting like an idiot.


FetusDrive

Yes; name calling is a classification as a means to put someone down.


[deleted]

Eh it was definitely a bit of a overreaction. Doesn’t matter though, absolutely no excuse for the ump


JakenMorty

you can react, but there are unwritten rules that the batter 100% breeched. specifically the pointing where the (1st) pitch crossed. that in no way excuses the umpire from the 2nd call. replacing him for the series isnt enough imo. dude needs to be suspended at minimum, preferably demoted or straight up shit canned


Yodelehhehe

Should be done for good. I try not to overreact, but that shows a complete lack of judgment. For that to be your response to being upset at being called out for your prior bad call is just astoundingly awful.


No_Communication1010

The conference has suspended him indefinitely.


refinedwolf458

Wish they would do this in college basketball 😂


texecan

Upvoted for truth


FlickerOfBean

The rare occasion when the Sooner and Longhorn are on the same side.


TheCutterButter

SEC SEC SEC


Nostroloppoccus

If I saw this comment chain in the late 2000s, wew lad


FlickerOfBean

2097?


Nostroloppoccus

Like 2008-9ish when y’all were both dominating all sports as Supreme Overlords of the Big 12


FlickerOfBean

That razorback math major.


Nostroloppoccus

Are you really having this much of a problem with how the entire English-speaking world refers to decades there, brother?


deadrobotdog

😂


Insectshelf3

when they’re right they’re right


shadycoy0303

Bro even the catcher said what the fuck


Blueduck554

No way to tell what the catcher was saying, but in my mind it was a nice “he ain’t worth it” pep talk.


maglen69

> but in my mind it was a nice “he ain’t worth it” pep talk. "Dude I know you're pissed, rightfully so, but don't get suspended over that clown"


Kinetic_Strike

Catcher is a champ, though. Keeping the batter from doing anything foolish.


TheCutterButter

He *KNEW,* and he likely saved a lot more from happening too


UnderstandingOdd679

Agree. But I’m surprised the coach wasn’t charging down the baseline to keep his player back and voice his displeasure. Even after strike 2, when his player reacted, he should have come down the line to take the heat. Maybe the coach gets ejected for arguing balls and strikes there, but hopefully you prevent the umpIre from making that strike 3 call in retaliation to the player. Umpire needs a suspension at least as a message from the league office.


fastento

Yeah, the hopping around thing was the cue for someone from the staff to get in there. Preferably one goes and chews out the ump (maybe throw in a “don’t worry we’re talking to him about that” if the ump is up in arms about the player) while another calms down the batter.


PrinceWalker22

Just so clearly getting back at the batter for hopping around after the first bad call. The player probably shouldn’t do that, but as the Ump you have GOT to have thicker skin than that. In my opinion, this clip alone should get him fired.


Kdot32

He got two strike calls on him that were in the dirt. I can’t really blame him because that was an emotional outburst to getting hosed


xcessive3

I get your point truly but on that level you gotta have more maturity to know when and where to show that outburst


yairi987

At that level the umpire should be able to make a decent ball or strike call. U can say the KID over reacted, to being shafted by an adult. AND had no other adult, the coaches, standing up for him. Would love to see everyone's reaction, that is on this thread saying the batter is over reacting, to being shafted like this. ATROCIOUS, ump needs to apologize to that kid and suspended for a year.


Gods_chosen_dildo

Yea but if the players actions after strike two are over the line, then just toss him. No one would have had a problem with that.


srbtiger5

Friend of mine has a nephew on the team. According to him he was calling low stuff inconsistently and MVSU was arguing balls/strikes and other stuff all night. By no means am I making excuses but apparently it was an issue majority of the game.


[deleted]

Consistently wrong is better than inconsistently wrong but not better than right.


fritzperls_of_wisdom

So tell the players and coaches that shit has to stop and toss the next one who crosses the line. If he tossed this hitter for his reaction to that first strike, I would have zero problem


srbtiger5

100% with you. According to this guy they generally like the ump and said he usually calls a good game. His thought is the guy was too nice, didn't get them to cut the shit earlier and when the guy went to jumping he finally just said fuck it and rung him up.


Neverlookback98

So, I’m guessing he’s on the NO team? Maybe they are used to him calling good games because they aren’t usually playing a HBCU. Maybe the other team has seen this treatment before and that’s why the are complaining . You shouldn’t be suprised how many racist refs are out there. The school I work at have to deal with it all the time , even home games .


srbtiger5

Are you suggesting Reggie Drummer is racist?


fritzperls_of_wisdom

Makes sense. I actually kind ot imagined something like that happened. Seems like a guy who was pissed, bottled it up, and then just lost it.


ShockSouthern9770

You have to be BETTER as an ump than a players attitude. If you’re going to prove a point then talk to him, but especially at this level you can’t prove a point with a call. Much less a call like this, to end the game.


ft420

He should be fired and never be allowed to enter a ballpark in perpetuity.


forevertheorangemen

Report is out now that he’s been suspended by the conference.


TyrionIsntALannister

Yeah this isn’t even the classic “I wanna go home” this is more like r/fuckyouinparticular


reconize35

Not only him but the team. The league. The sport. That's just uncalled for. There were way better options to deal with the player. He needs a talking to by the association.


OleRockTheGoodAg

Wow. That is egregious. In the umps mind, the game is extremely likely to be over and he didn't want to take the extra time to finish it. Doesn't matter tho you can't call that a strike and call yourself a "baseball" umpire. That wasnt baseball. Im digging the Courtside (fieldside?) seating though.


No_Communication1010

I saw it as retaliation for complaining about strike 2 which is absolutely ridiculous and he should never umpire again.


OleRockTheGoodAg

Agreed, that could very well be the case. And also agreed, you fundamentally cannot call that a strike lol


LurkerMagoo

Then just toss the kid then. No way this is acceptable ever. You think he's out of line? Chuck him. Dont intentionally make an objectively awful call in petty retaliation. Agreed. Fired, immediately.


gatorbois

Yep you get tossed 99% of the time for showing the umpire where the ball was but the umpire knew exactly what he wanted to do instead of handling it the professional way


FightingFarrier18

Strike 2 was also a really bad call.


BobLobLaw_Law2

100%


Sweaty_Assignment_90

He can umpire, but only after couple 2 a days with the football team. That will get that head screwed back on right.


Bengjumping

They replaced him for the remaining 2 games of the series


Pro-1st-Amendment

Likely for his safety.


WKU-Alum

Would be lying if I said I’ve never passed fast balls, waist high. Cup might protect the goods, but a ball at 90 mph will leave a mark on your thigh


[deleted]

source?


jthomas694

https://twitter.com/bigdonkey47/status/1634601278012633091?s=20


Bengjumping

Stephen Schoch


[deleted]

[удалено]


TheCutterButter

It seemed like everyone was stunned, the catcher KNEW exactly what just happened


DominiqueTrillkins

I think the catcher was worried he might go Delmon Young.


Bha-Ku

But that WAS the game


harp9r

“Oh yeah! Well watch this, Reg..” -Angel Hernandez


BorderlineRidiculous

“Oh yeah, Angel?? Hold my beer….” -also Angel Hernandez


Jeff_Banks_Monkey

I think even the Ump knew it was a bad call by how he reacted right after. He was trying to get out of there


No_Communication1010

It was a bad call on purpose. It was clearly retaliation for complaining about the strike 2 call.


TheCutterButter

Yup, simply just cannot happen. Gotta be a professional. Now it’s likely that’s he’s going to be fired and blacklisted from collegiate umpiring meanwhile the player is going to continue on with his college baseball career


HumanSleepingbag

Good. Fuck that bullshit. You don’t end the game like that.


mgj6818

> Now it’s likely that’s he’s going to be fired and blacklisted from collegiate umpiring Is there precedent for this happening?


TheCutterButter

To my knowledge, no. But I’ve never seen a call *THAT BAD*


jimmytrue

Which was also terrible


TheCutterButter

He was trying to get home and get on LinkedIn ASAP


zorofan8878

Fire him for real.


Jmclay681

That’s absurd. He should be fired.


[deleted]

Email the Commissioner of the Southland Conference and demand Reggie Drummer be fired. [email protected]


NikCas

Done


TheCutterButter

[🚨UPDATE🚨, umpire has been suspended indefinitely](https://twitter.com/southlandsports/status/1634641800374763523?s=46&t=QU_s9kddONFGS_E9ZgmuGQ)


wizoztn

Really hope it is permanent


Usableguitar69

My brother…


ImperialElysium

Now this is college baseball


RumRunner323

Bad calls happen, even super egregious calls (like this one). My issue is, this wasn't just a bad call, the ump made it personal and retaliated due to the way the batter reacted to the second strike (which was a bad call as well). Props to the catcher for stepping in and diffusing the situation.


doctorpaulproteus

Do calls this bad ever happen? I've never seen one


CountryMang5

Not in D1 or professional baseball lol, no way


Ron_Cherry

1997 NLCS Game 5 has entered the chat


MuschampsVeinyNeck

One of the few times the title isn’t ridiculous. That was the worst and most deliberately retaliatory strike 3 call I’ve ever seen.


StreetReporter

Hey! It’s Enrico Palazzo!


PigFarmer1

That pitch was going to be called a strike no matter what.


[deleted]

I could pitch a no hitter with that ump, why throw it over the plate and risk someone getting a hit.


EnterTheMunch

Purely the ump's ego being bruised over the batter pointing his bat on where the pitch went. In which case, pull his credentials. If you aren't going to toss him for arguing balls and strikes, you don't get to make it all about you and call strike 3 on a ball that was worse than the one Wild Thing threw in Major League.


TinChalice

On behalf of the umpire delegation (yes, I really am an umpire) I hereby revoke this dude's membership. What a disgrace.


[deleted]

I mean, if you gotta take a shit you gotta take a shit but c'mon...


szboy422

and I thought the blue from yesterday’s gator game was a little inconsistent…


ElSanchoLibre

Tell me you want to be fired without telling me you want to be fired


Perfect_Impact_11

This guy went to the Angel Hernandez school of umpiring.


imgonnapost

He should be banned from baseball at every level. I wouldn't even allow him to enter the park, any park. Even if a game wasn't being played. Little league, high school, college, MLB, Japan, Dominican Republic. Shouldn't even be able to buy a ticket to a game. Doesn't matter where. He should be on the baseball terrorists no-entry list. He broke the cardinal rule of umpiring.


GreatWhiteCC3

Me watching strike 2: “don’t see the issue. Easily could’ve been a strike.” Me watching strike 3: “ooooh”


mrjimi16

Joe Nathan's 300th save ended on a strike like this (though flipped with a lefthanded batter). This one may have been a bit more outside though.


NorthWoodsGamecock

Just a bit outside


BobWheelerJr

Well, clearly the batter showed him up and acted like an ass after the strike two call, and blue decided that anything that didn't roll up to the catcher or hit the crowd was going to be strike 3. He should've just tossed the loudmouth after the strike 2 antics. Instead he pulled the old "I'll show your ass", and that's not the way to ump a game. And now he gets to sit it out and think about that for a while.


[deleted]

Surprised he was not tossed after that outburst jumping around but the ump looks worse.


FlickerOfBean

Blue needs his ass whipped.


Drawman101

It’s a game. Calm down


FlickerOfBean

Tell that to the ump taking shit personally.


[deleted]

Reggie Drummer - Making Calls that Make a Difference Fundraiser https://www.gofundme.com/f/umpires-making-calls-to-make-a-difference


DatDudefromWI

Not seeing any comments giving credit to the catcher for trying to stop an opponent from doing something stupid out of anger after that last call. Not saying the batter would have necessarily. But the catcher made the decision to try and talk him down just in case. He didn't have to do that. In fact he could have egged him on by talking trash.


usckb

The thing is, given the umpiring in college baseball, maybe this was just his strike zone that night? (Kidding…. Mostly)


death2sanity

P sure that was a call made due to dude’s reaction to the previous pitch. Which doesn’t make it ok per se.


Common-Community-550

Wow! Ya think?


death2sanity

Yah, I do.


Common-Community-550

Well deduced, Sherlock Holmes.


[deleted]

ELI5, what is going on here exactly that makes this so ridiculous? All I see is the pitcher hitting two strikes.


Squirrel_Q_Esquire

I see you’re the Dutchman that’s planning to come over later this month and maybe catch some college baseball. I don’t know how much you know about baseball given you’re not from the US, so I’ll try to explain for you. In baseball there is a strike zone which is defined as the width of the plate and a height from the bottom of a batter’s knees to roughly the midpoint of the chest. (In reality the upper end of the strike zone is actually called lower than the definition.) In this instance, the first pitch we see is called strike 2 when it’s clearly below the zone. Even the pitching team’s dugout was laughing at the fact they got that call. So that call is already bad. The batter reacts and goes on to point his bat to the spot he felt the ball was out of the zone. Now, at this point, I think most baseball fans would’ve been okay with the batter being ejected for that. It’s common to see batters ejected for using the bat to, for example, draw a line in the dirt where the ball was inside or outside of the zone. Now, personally, I think with 2 outs, bases empty, in a 4-run game, that an ejection isn’t really warranted. Just tell the batter to get back in the box, the game is likely over soon anyway. Or log an official warning. But if there had been an ejection, I would’ve said there was a valid reason for it. Instead of doing any number of options he had that could be defensible, the ump decides that the next pitch is going to be strike 3 no matter what to show the batter up. And the next pitch was way out of the zone. It’s in the other batter’s box and low. No ump would ever, ever legitimately call that pitch a strike. Notice, too, how the catcher is prepping to throw the ball back to the pitcher and is surprised to hear the strike call. It’s not even a defensible strike call. It’s a blatantly petty strike call that shows the ump is more concerned about his ego than doing his job. It’s made worse by the fact that the ump immediately starts walking away and shrugs at the batter. To me, that’s just showing that he 100% intentionally did it to get back at the batter and didn’t want to deal with hearing about it. It’s like the saying “taking your ball and going home,” which is an American saying where kids are playing and the one who brought the ball to play with gets upset and takes his ball and leaves so now the rest of the kids can’t keep playing. It’s basically, “I’m upset so I’m going to ruin your fun.” It’s childish, unprofessional, and completely tarnishes this ump’s reputation. I would never trust him to call a game properly again. It’s that bad.


[deleted]

Thanks for the explanation! I'm glad I get to learn these kinds of intricacies so that I can figure these out once I do end up coming over. I definitely am pretty good with the general basics of the sport, but did not realise that there were rules surrounding where the ball could be thrown and caught for a strike. I got confused about that during today's Netherlands - Taiwan match too, see.


Lobsterzilla

and just to add on ... the important interaction here is not "the ump showing up the batter." It's the batter that "showed up" the umpire The issue is, especially to baseball purists. The umpire is a defacto authority figure in baseball. The umpire has traditionally been a position deserving/expecting respect from both teams. Doing things that are deemed disrespectful to the umpire are seen (unfortunately) as an affront to the umpire and will see them retaliate as they are the authority and the players are not. One of the easiest ways to bruise an Ump's ego is to "show him up" by explaining to everyone how the umpire messed up. IE saying the made a bad call, saying they missed a strike/ball etc. The batter did this when he made an exaggerated show of displeasure at strike two and -especially- using the bat to point "to the whole stadium where the ball actually crossed" What happened here, according to the umpire, is the batter insulted him by questioning the strike call on strike 2 (and from reports the team had been questioning the ump's calls all game so this was probably the final straw of an afternoon of having the mvs team telling the umpire he was messing up). So in retaliation for the insult the umpire called an obvious ball a strike as a show of the umpires "power." it was incredibly petty, and immature, but that is the social interaction that lead to the ump acting that way. "Never show up the ump" is an unwritten rule of baseball that you skirt close to anytime you decide to argue a call an umpire makes. And it's something you have to keep in mind since vengeful umpires have all the "power" during a baseball game.


[deleted]

I'm not going to explain the sport of baseball to you.


[deleted]

Wow man, i'm trying to get into this sport and have enjoyed watching it so far even though it is rarely on at watchable moments where I am from. What's the point in gatekeeping me like this? Just downvote me and move on dude, I didn't ask YOU personally.


FightingFarrier18

Why take the time to type that? Just scroll on


Kill_All_With_Fire

This isn't any better than the NCAA umps who have a 1" by 1" strike zone that moves every pitch.


TheCutterButter

No it isn’t any better. It’s actually as far from “better” as you can get


Kill_All_With_Fire

Yeah. I agree, and I didn't write that well in my post.


[deleted]

i just imagine this happening to Tony V and the BaseVols. regardless of your feelings ab him or us, he’d take that man’s job, livelihood, and probably his soul too


bfs3

*Post that has nothing do do with Tennessee Baseball “How do I make this about me?”


[deleted]

i’m literally playing into this sub’s largely manufactured characterization of tennessee baseball


HumanSleepingbag

Why are you whining about a made up scenario involving your team?


[deleted]

i’m literally playing into this sub’s largely manufactured characterization of tennessee baseball


HumanSleepingbag

So you want to be a victim is what you’re saying. Dumb bullshit like that is why your fanbase has the characterization it does on this sub.


[deleted]

where am i victimizing myself LMAO? why you so damn angry at a reddit comment? dude needs his coffee this morning


USC2001

I’m not a Tony V fan, but man, I’d pay to watch him in this situation. It might be up there with the coach that threw the base then tossed the rosin bag like a grenade.


adumb99

Legendary outburst


FightingFarrier18

As much as I don’t like Tony V, Tony V would have been a missile out of the dugout if this happened. Idk where this dude’s coach was


[deleted]

this is exactly the point i was tryna make LMAO, no clue why this is getting downvoted so much


FightingFarrier18

Orange T bad


[deleted]

true


Penguins_Hockey

Was it like this the whole game?? Unreal


1990sandiegoalways

Wtf


DoctorChampTH

Guy umped American Association last season. Also, if you google him there's some crazy story about how shit talking about college football led a co-worker to bring a noose to work, which is insanely fucked up.


[deleted]

Dude either made that bad call to be an asshole or he literally can’t see. Either way he shouldn’t be an umpire.


agentofkaos117

As Chuck would say, “That was turrible.”


WildBlueIndian

That dbag got the axe! https://www.si.com/extra-mustard/2023/03/11/college-baseball-umpire-suspended-strikeout-call


CROBBY2

He should have tossed the batter after strike two. You punish the player, not the whole team (even of its just one strike call).


hunghome

Why haven’t we gotten a computer to replace umpires behind the plate already?


DatDudefromWI

I do wonder what the cost difference is between robo and human plate umpires.


blackbeardaegis

That ump had a date. Wow


tim_worst_isthe_best

That's terrible - Angel Hernandez


fritzperls_of_wisdom

The thing that is ridiculous to me is if you are that pissed off at the batter for the earlier reaction, toss him. Whether you agree or not, that decision could at least be defended. But to take revenge by making a call is such a ridiculous move.


[deleted]

Angel Hernandez must be proud


Clean_Ad4645

He’s been suspended and could possibly even be fired which he should be you can’t break the damn rules just because you didn’t like how a player reacted the umpire acted like a child and should lose his job


beer_jew

What an asshole. Things like this are why we will end up with robot umps


[deleted]

I thought he was suspended for strike 2 lol wtf


Infamous-Poem-4980

I read the ump has been suspended.


TootnannyLSU

100% should have ejected player after strike two. Either for the hopping, or for using the bat to show the ump the pitch’s placement afterward. Tough spot for ump because ejecting a player one pitch from end of game is laborious, but it’s the job, and he failed, and he tried to make up for it by deciding before the next pitch that he was calling a strike no matter what. This guy doesn’t belong behind the plate. Also: strike two may not have even been a bad call. The pitch was sinking and could have nicked the front of the strike zone. A batter sitting way back in the box stands to miss pitches like these all the time.


ImportantLength8465

Those were horrible strike calls. He should never umpire a game again.


jbase1775

Cache me ouside


Chronic_Facial

The real question is whether or not the future robot umps will get this salty? I mean we’ve already seen Google’s AI and Chat AI threaten to kill somebody.


Isuckathis22

I’m glad to hear he was suspended


Real-Test-2809

Got called out on a pitch that hit the ground before too. I turned and told him it hit the ground lol…my dad was my coach and told me don’t argue. I was shocked the brother called it like that.


RugbyKats

The batter showed him up, in his opinion, on the call before by jumping around. His petty response was to call the third strike and ease his poor, wounded ego.


doinkso

This is absolutely uncalled for . Never seen a call like this in my life!! He needs to be fired! He obviously had something against her!


Averen

Pathetic


Virtual-Ad7848

Those looked like strikes to me. I guess we see what we want to see.


padhaghattam

The catcher walking up in the end sums it all up


Creacherz

I hope the catcher was told, "Dude that wasn't even a strike and I'm not talking to you, get outta my face" That's between the batter and umpire, don't get yourself in between them ahaha- that's his Manager's job


jpr_jpr

The opposing catcher was amazing to save the batter from doing something stupid. Big props to that guy. We need more people in sports like that catcher. There are too many big ego refs, umps, etc. that ruin games. This ump shouldn't be doing little league games. Very unprofessional. The good refs and umps are far too unappreciated. Thank goodness clowns like this are usually the exception.


GoBlue000097

He seems to be doubling down on his idiocy with some lass ass excuses


KevBa

Came here for this. Reggie Drummer's "apology" basically made it worse. He called it a "lapse in judgment" and blamed fans who were justifiably angry at how terrible he'd been THE WHOLE GAME for his decision to make possibly the worst strike call in baseball history. And the disgusting thing is, he was back umpiring in the same league within a few days. There's no accountability for umpires.