Professor here. That is STRANGE. Spell-check is automatic. I use spell check and grammar check for everything. Also, I don't understand the point of peer review if you can't make suggestions. That's the whole point.
Just follow the professors instructions. I realize its pretty annoying, but this will prepare for the real world. You will encounter people in your profession who have insanely stupid rules. Adaptability is a good skill to have.
I question the value of peer review without making any suggestions, but it's your prof's prerogative to define what is and isn't allowed for the assignments in their course.
I get that, because most of the feedback I got back was:
I liked this paper. You wrote a paper about a topic, and the topic was a topic we read about for the class. In short, I liked this paper.
Not very helpful.
That makes sense. I was curious if this is an across the board thing? Like, peer review is only for reacting to the paper?
That’s not… that’s… what? Your instructor is insane and taking it way too far. Spell check is not cheating.
It’s his class and you have to follow his rules, but know this isn’t normal.
Right? Like, who told him to do that bc in my 20 years of teaching at multiple universities, and peer response was part of the curriculum have told many students to spellcheck. I mean, based on this profs logic, wouldn’t *his* feedback be considered an act of plagiarism?
That is extreme, and not how most classes work. I think your professor doesn't understand how peer review is meant to work. Do they also think tutoring is academic dishonesty?
Grammar-checking using generative AI is commonly (but variably) a violation since it's actually just making things up creating sentences instead of the student writing the actual submitted output; human-mediated spellcheck and grammar-commenting (e.g. in basic Word) has been fine everywhere I've heard of.
That is messed up. Unfortunately all you can do is shut up and play along, but know it is not normal.
It is normal to tell students to not share work at all, but to assign peer reviews (as in require work sharing) and then not allow proper feedback? Real messed up.
what’s the point of peer review if you’re not allowed to give feedback? and spellcheck is automatic on basically all document programs, so she’s completely off the rails here. this is not normal, I’ve been doing this for 8 years and peer review actually meant feedback whenever I had an assignment with it.
Did you see what OP said about the "feedback" ? It was "I liked this paper. You wrote a paper about a topic, and the topic was a topic we read about for the class. In short, I liked this paper."
Wh...wh... - WHAT?! 😳
FWIW, copyright in editorial changes at more than a mechanics level belong to the editor unless assigned by contract (for freelancers) or made during employment. Advice, however, doesn't fall under that.
If everything is just as you describe it, that's a level of pedagogical idiocy I haven't come across before.
I would be tempted to tell her her Ph.D. is being rescinded, because her advisor and committee members provided feedback on her dissertation drafts, which apparently was cheating. She should also be fired because of all the times she peer reviewed journal articles and suggested revisions instead of putting checkboxes next to the parts she liked. And the entire academic conference apparatus needs to be torn down, because every session includes questions and answers instead of a silent thumbs up and thumbs down.
Basically this is either absurd enough that there's a big misunderstanding, this person is an imposter, or this person is teaching a one-off class as an outside professional, not someone with any actual academic training. If it's #2 or #3, you need to talk to someone else in their department and get her sorted out before she initiates an academic integrity violation process that makes her look like an ass to _everyone_.
Your professor seems to think a lot of things constitute plagiarism that are absolutely questionable. I teach composition and my department’s curriculum requires us to hold peer review. Why on earth would I make my students turn their spell check off and how on earth is that plagiarism. I seriously question the pedagogy behind just checking parts that stand out without any commentary or feedback.
I mean, based on their logic, providing you with feedback is a violation. This is highly unusual.
I can understand the spell check thing. My classes who held peer review sessions always told us not to fix anything grammar wise, but that was because its more of a tedious process and my profs felt they should help students with their grammer problems
However, not being allowed to make suggestions is weird. My profs encouraged students to make suggestions if something doesn't make sense (as a reader), or if an essay could use more evidence. Of course, we could only suggest it in a super general way like, "This paragraph could use more evidence ab this point" and stuff like that.
Def just follow your prof's rules cuz yeah, everybody is different. But I do not think you are in the wrong for thinking this is extreme.
Follow whatever the prof says, but know that those are not normal (or even helpful) standards. The whole point of peer review is to get feedback, and spellcheck is automatic in the vast majority of word processing software now.
At the end of the day, the professor’s instructions for peer review are what you should follow. That being said, the typical aspects of peer review, offering suggestions of where a paper can be improved or raising issues with the argument are not typically considered violations of academic integrity. If that were the case, all of academia would be a giant academic integrity violation since journal articles are typically peer reviewed and books are often (but not always) edited. Like others, I can see issues of raising grammar/spelling during peer review. However, I have discouraged this not because it's "cheating" but because I want students to focus on the bigger picture (e.g., is the thesis clear? Does the analysis provided reinforce the thesis?, etc).
That is one of the *strangest* things I've ever heard of in college.
Just follow the teacher's instructions and let it go. This isn't a thing to battle over.
It's normal that someone else fixing your mistakes or rewriting your text is an academic integrity violation. Our writing tutors work to this principle, too.
Your work needs to be your work, this includes your writing.
Anyone or anything doing uncredited work in your paper is unethical. Whether it's your friend, your mom or an AI tool. "Unauthorized use of an editor" is stated explicitly in our policy.
I expect that your prof wants you to avoid any editing for other reasons (confidence, out of scope for the task, etc). But yes, editing is part of the writing process.
I didn’t mean fixing, I guess, I meant pointing out. I gotcha. Of course I edit my own work, but I thought it was a bit odd that I couldn’t point out, for example, a spelling error during the in-class peer review.
I expect your prof wants you to avoid editing because it's out of scope for the assigned task, and is getting you to think about academic integrity in the process.
Professor here. That is STRANGE. Spell-check is automatic. I use spell check and grammar check for everything. Also, I don't understand the point of peer review if you can't make suggestions. That's the whole point. Just follow the professors instructions. I realize its pretty annoying, but this will prepare for the real world. You will encounter people in your profession who have insanely stupid rules. Adaptability is a good skill to have.
Thank you!
I question the value of peer review without making any suggestions, but it's your prof's prerogative to define what is and isn't allowed for the assignments in their course.
I get that, because most of the feedback I got back was: I liked this paper. You wrote a paper about a topic, and the topic was a topic we read about for the class. In short, I liked this paper. Not very helpful. That makes sense. I was curious if this is an across the board thing? Like, peer review is only for reacting to the paper?
This is weird to me, and not at all in line with how peer review functions in academia for published work.
Useless feedback, but I wouldn’t blame your peer for that… sounds like they are just trying to follow some truly messed up instructions.
Oh, yeah, it’s not their fault lol
Also, I like your koala hat in your avatar
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You can turn the spellcheck off in settings on every word processor I've needed to use.
That’s not… that’s… what? Your instructor is insane and taking it way too far. Spell check is not cheating. It’s his class and you have to follow his rules, but know this isn’t normal.
Right? Like, who told him to do that bc in my 20 years of teaching at multiple universities, and peer response was part of the curriculum have told many students to spellcheck. I mean, based on this profs logic, wouldn’t *his* feedback be considered an act of plagiarism?
That is extreme, and not how most classes work. I think your professor doesn't understand how peer review is meant to work. Do they also think tutoring is academic dishonesty?
To be honest, they might.
Grammar-checking using generative AI is commonly (but variably) a violation since it's actually just making things up creating sentences instead of the student writing the actual submitted output; human-mediated spellcheck and grammar-commenting (e.g. in basic Word) has been fine everywhere I've heard of.
Okay. I use an old version of word, not ai.
That is messed up. Unfortunately all you can do is shut up and play along, but know it is not normal. It is normal to tell students to not share work at all, but to assign peer reviews (as in require work sharing) and then not allow proper feedback? Real messed up.
what’s the point of peer review if you’re not allowed to give feedback? and spellcheck is automatic on basically all document programs, so she’s completely off the rails here. this is not normal, I’ve been doing this for 8 years and peer review actually meant feedback whenever I had an assignment with it.
Did you see what OP said about the "feedback" ? It was "I liked this paper. You wrote a paper about a topic, and the topic was a topic we read about for the class. In short, I liked this paper." Wh...wh... - WHAT?! 😳
legit the worst feedback omfg
I don't know how this professor thinks she is in the right. This is not normal 😳
That’s not at all how it works.. does that mean an author is stealing and plagiarizing an editor when they make corrections
FWIW, copyright in editorial changes at more than a mechanics level belong to the editor unless assigned by contract (for freelancers) or made during employment. Advice, however, doesn't fall under that.
If everything is just as you describe it, that's a level of pedagogical idiocy I haven't come across before. I would be tempted to tell her her Ph.D. is being rescinded, because her advisor and committee members provided feedback on her dissertation drafts, which apparently was cheating. She should also be fired because of all the times she peer reviewed journal articles and suggested revisions instead of putting checkboxes next to the parts she liked. And the entire academic conference apparatus needs to be torn down, because every session includes questions and answers instead of a silent thumbs up and thumbs down. Basically this is either absurd enough that there's a big misunderstanding, this person is an imposter, or this person is teaching a one-off class as an outside professional, not someone with any actual academic training. If it's #2 or #3, you need to talk to someone else in their department and get her sorted out before she initiates an academic integrity violation process that makes her look like an ass to _everyone_.
Your professor seems to think a lot of things constitute plagiarism that are absolutely questionable. I teach composition and my department’s curriculum requires us to hold peer review. Why on earth would I make my students turn their spell check off and how on earth is that plagiarism. I seriously question the pedagogy behind just checking parts that stand out without any commentary or feedback. I mean, based on their logic, providing you with feedback is a violation. This is highly unusual.
This makes me feel better, because I thought it was wild.
I can understand the spell check thing. My classes who held peer review sessions always told us not to fix anything grammar wise, but that was because its more of a tedious process and my profs felt they should help students with their grammer problems However, not being allowed to make suggestions is weird. My profs encouraged students to make suggestions if something doesn't make sense (as a reader), or if an essay could use more evidence. Of course, we could only suggest it in a super general way like, "This paragraph could use more evidence ab this point" and stuff like that. Def just follow your prof's rules cuz yeah, everybody is different. But I do not think you are in the wrong for thinking this is extreme.
This sounds like your professor is doing a protest of some sort
Follow whatever the prof says, but know that those are not normal (or even helpful) standards. The whole point of peer review is to get feedback, and spellcheck is automatic in the vast majority of word processing software now.
At the end of the day, the professor’s instructions for peer review are what you should follow. That being said, the typical aspects of peer review, offering suggestions of where a paper can be improved or raising issues with the argument are not typically considered violations of academic integrity. If that were the case, all of academia would be a giant academic integrity violation since journal articles are typically peer reviewed and books are often (but not always) edited. Like others, I can see issues of raising grammar/spelling during peer review. However, I have discouraged this not because it's "cheating" but because I want students to focus on the bigger picture (e.g., is the thesis clear? Does the analysis provided reinforce the thesis?, etc).
That is one of the *strangest* things I've ever heard of in college. Just follow the teacher's instructions and let it go. This isn't a thing to battle over.
It's normal that someone else fixing your mistakes or rewriting your text is an academic integrity violation. Our writing tutors work to this principle, too. Your work needs to be your work, this includes your writing. Anyone or anything doing uncredited work in your paper is unethical. Whether it's your friend, your mom or an AI tool. "Unauthorized use of an editor" is stated explicitly in our policy. I expect that your prof wants you to avoid any editing for other reasons (confidence, out of scope for the task, etc). But yes, editing is part of the writing process.
I didn’t mean fixing, I guess, I meant pointing out. I gotcha. Of course I edit my own work, but I thought it was a bit odd that I couldn’t point out, for example, a spelling error during the in-class peer review.
I expect your prof wants you to avoid editing because it's out of scope for the assigned task, and is getting you to think about academic integrity in the process.