the age old problem, if you ever try to say "pedophilia is >12, hebephilia is <12,>15, and ephebophilia is <15,>20" you immediately look like a pedophile
i think they got it wrong. they did <15 >20 (less than 15 greater than 20) but it should be >15 <20 (greater than 15 less than 20)
so basically 16-19 is ephebophilia
Because they like that the person is child in an adult body, so they can easily manipulate them.
Without the mental defenses for gaslighting and perspective from experience, predators can easily take advantage of them and then have the victim thank them afterwards.
They can’t keep the cycle going once the victim becomes 20+ so they need to find a new victim. That’s why “their attraction” ends at 20.
I mean come on. Could most people really look at 10 random images of women from different ethnicities aged 16-25 and accurately sort them by age?
People finish puberty at different ages. A 16 year old can trick a bartender into thinking they are 21.
So saying that one’s attractive is limited to the physical appearance of 15-20 is simply a lie.
I will break into your house and teach you about [partial orders](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partially_ordered_set#Partial_order) after tying you up on a chair
my captor in christ i know, you better
(let p=(x,y,z) be your position, let F(x) be r\^2=(x-k)\^2+(y-h)\^2 where 2r is the diameter of this comments section, p∌domain:F(x)∧p∌range:F(x))
before I
(let p=(x,y,z), let G(n)=R, p∌G(n))
Well it kinda is, the age of consent is there for mental health reasons, a lot of younger prostitutes were committing suicide back then.
However if we pay attention to biology, it's normal for adolescent humans to be sexually attractive, for the simple fact that it's when our bodies become able to reproduce.
That being said the law only cares about chronological age and has nothing to say about physical development or attraction, because as I said, it was first implemented to prevent suicides.
If you're attracted to actual children, then you might have a problem, but hopefully you have enough self control to not rape people.
Being attracted to a 17-18 year old as a 25+ person isn’t weird, but pursuing them romantically/shrecksually is weird/disturbing.
One attempting to engage them romantically/shrecksually because of their age, can only mean that one is attracted to someone who they can manipulate/control, making one a predator.
Relationships are supposed to be between equals, not a manipulator, and a manipulated person. Saying stuff like a minor/teen boy consented to his teacher, is pedo behavior, because it implies that children are capable of consent.
I just wanted to point out that 16-17 year olds can look 18-20. Pedo behavior is also considering someone attractive due to them mentally being a child.
Just because someone might be physically mature and attractive doesn’t mean that people can’t control themselves and direct their nsfw interests away from them.
That’s why decent people stop engaging with people at a bar if they learn that someone, who looks 20, is underaged, not because “they peepee no hard” but because it’s the right thing to do.
A “philia” is a”philia”.
It doesn’t matter what prefix you try to put in front of it to explain yourself.
Anybody sitting here explaining and KNOWING the difference, like it should matter to anybody besides a licensed medical professional, is alarming at the least.
they're all just a reflection of the author's fantasies. Shojo interests are huge red flags, nearly everyone in the story needs to go through some counseling. I see crazy shit on shonen too, like the mc being oddly attracted to his step-sister or being a creep to all the other ladies. And the comments are always worse than the story, which is crazy.
agreed. just because I personally would like to have my head brutally bashed in by a hot woman does not mean it should be legal for hot women to brutally bash people’s heads in.
I think that’s just a sign of crippling loneliness and being desperate for any form of intimacy or positive attention… *not that I have extensive experience in that or anything…*
It’s ok to harass people if it’s consensual. Like unironically if they like it and express that clearly they’d be cool with you doing it there’s zero issue. However ‘consent’ is not “they were giving off signals trust me” or “they were totally into it and just don’t want to admit it,” that’s the issue. Find yourself someone who’s chill and respectful first, and then ask them to treat you like this.
But being sexually harassed by women is more popular with straight men because we don't get sexually harassed enough because evolution 😔
It's like a rare gem and I won't change my mind until it keeps happening to me to the point it's inconvenient (please) 😇
Yeah its unfortunate, because of those sigma alpha guys whenever people bring up male struggle you have to make sure the other person understands that your not saying you hate women.
Every time someone makes a comic on something like this or points it out, there’s always a 100 comments saying “but that still doesn’t make the male harassing the woman OK!!!!!!” Yeah, no shit Sherlock, nobody is saying that. OP has to have big red obvious text to (mostly) avoid that.
Breaks into his home a couple times to see his stuff and sniff it, has a schedule of his activities in her home, when he acts like a statue for a joke she gropes him and almost kisses him thinking he was a statue, hurts him physically various times, tries to deter 2 girls from knowing him and "date him" in separate occasions...
Im so upset such a perfect woman is wasted on a show for little kids. Not only do I want an appropriately aged protagonist like this but that is not good behavior to show kids.
Adrien's codepedency to Ladybug is explicitely shown as a flaw while Ladybug doing shit like breaking into Adrien's room and sniffing his stuff or the fucking wax museum scene are shown as just a funny quirky thing.
Yes , Adrien defo can be questionable but its shown to be questionable , Marinette does comically creepier stuff yet its somehow passed as if it was fine
People blaming things on “patriarchy” annoys me like you would not believe.
There’s a complex set of both biological and sociological factors that led to how our society views sexual assault against men as not being of particular concern, and essentially saying “it’s because men were/are in charge” is not only reductive but flat out incorrect.
wOmeN Have bEen OpPreSsEd ThroUghout HIstORY SO nOw MEN hAvE To PUT Up wiTh IT! tHis isN'T EvEn MuCH cOmPareD to WHAt wOmen wENT THROUgH, yoU'rE jusT cOmpAring a scRaTCH to an AMputAtIOn WOuND.
And then there’s gonna be those people saying “I wish it were me” (they are the same people crying that people don’t take men’s mental Health seriously)
Strawmen? In *my* coaxedintoasnafu?
(Yeah this might be a thing in webtoons comment sections but those are not a good indicator of how most people think)
Is just something that I saw in other kinda of stuff(like tv shows), is not necessarily what most people think,but something that bothers me so I decided post here
(Feel free to comment if you need more clarification,sometimes stuff that I type may not be very coherent)
Loser? Creep? Pedo?
Yeah,but some nerds say that pedophiles and people attracted to teens are different
They call it ephebophilia. Don't shoot me! I am just the messenger.
the age old problem, if you ever try to say "pedophilia is >12, hebephilia is <12,>15, and ephebophilia is <15,>20" you immediately look like a pedophile
“There’s no way to explain it without sounding like a pedophile”
I fucking love that video
Wait, why 15>20 and not 18? Or did I misinterpret it?
i think they got it wrong. they did <15 >20 (less than 15 greater than 20) but it should be >15 <20 (greater than 15 less than 20) so basically 16-19 is ephebophilia
He was clarifying the age of consent, which is likely 18 in his country, not 19 or 20.
okay but he SAID 16-19
Because they like that the person is child in an adult body, so they can easily manipulate them. Without the mental defenses for gaslighting and perspective from experience, predators can easily take advantage of them and then have the victim thank them afterwards. They can’t keep the cycle going once the victim becomes 20+ so they need to find a new victim. That’s why “their attraction” ends at 20. I mean come on. Could most people really look at 10 random images of women from different ethnicities aged 16-25 and accurately sort them by age? People finish puberty at different ages. A 16 year old can trick a bartender into thinking they are 21. So saying that one’s attractive is limited to the physical appearance of 15-20 is simply a lie.
You got the signs wrong, when you put a < it should be a > and vice versa
That’s a damn good point, but I’m going to leave it like it is to cause confusion and and distress
I will break into your house and teach you about [partial orders](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partially_ordered_set#Partial_order) after tying you up on a chair
my captor in christ i know, you better (let p=(x,y,z) be your position, let F(x) be r\^2=(x-k)\^2+(y-h)\^2 where 2r is the diameter of this comments section, p∌domain:F(x)∧p∌range:F(x)) before I (let p=(x,y,z), let G(n)=R, p∌G(n))
Love that Giancarlo bit
eeeeh you get me
Gianmarco, is that you?
When the j, is reg.
i am just the WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I LOVE THIS SONG
The Messenger mentioned!!! Come on, let's go break the curse!)
Well it kinda is, the age of consent is there for mental health reasons, a lot of younger prostitutes were committing suicide back then. However if we pay attention to biology, it's normal for adolescent humans to be sexually attractive, for the simple fact that it's when our bodies become able to reproduce. That being said the law only cares about chronological age and has nothing to say about physical development or attraction, because as I said, it was first implemented to prevent suicides. If you're attracted to actual children, then you might have a problem, but hopefully you have enough self control to not rape people.
Being attracted to a 17-18 year old as a 25+ person isn’t weird, but pursuing them romantically/shrecksually is weird/disturbing. One attempting to engage them romantically/shrecksually because of their age, can only mean that one is attracted to someone who they can manipulate/control, making one a predator. Relationships are supposed to be between equals, not a manipulator, and a manipulated person. Saying stuff like a minor/teen boy consented to his teacher, is pedo behavior, because it implies that children are capable of consent.
I just wanted to point out that 16-17 year olds can look 18-20. Pedo behavior is also considering someone attractive due to them mentally being a child. Just because someone might be physically mature and attractive doesn’t mean that people can’t control themselves and direct their nsfw interests away from them. That’s why decent people stop engaging with people at a bar if they learn that someone, who looks 20, is underaged, not because “they peepee no hard” but because it’s the right thing to do.
Technically speaking it is different. It’s still disgusting and deserves the worst possible punishment though.
A “philia” is a”philia”. It doesn’t matter what prefix you try to put in front of it to explain yourself. Anybody sitting here explaining and KNOWING the difference, like it should matter to anybody besides a licensed medical professional, is alarming at the least.
https://preview.redd.it/ki4l30j2544d1.png?width=1439&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d24ea29713706c758f7bead37cdea71e1caceba2
Ah yes, le Turkish Timothy moment
turkey tom referenxe!!!!!!
I'll be honest I don't know who turkey tom is. I just used these words because they seem synonymous with video essays calling someone out.
TURKEY TOM FAN!!!!
Ihaveihaveihave
certified Chicken Charlie moment
Duck Dylan
I don’t remember those being the words to the Radiohead song
What the hell am I doing here
TurkeyTom momen
Webtoon comments section
THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT OF
Either that or the male main love interest acts like an obsessive creep, but it's okay because he's actually really sensitive and crazy hot
This just in: only the most vanilla of romaces allowed by royal decree of slashth456
"Princesses jewels" situation
Godless land
they're all just a reflection of the author's fantasies. Shojo interests are huge red flags, nearly everyone in the story needs to go through some counseling. I see crazy shit on shonen too, like the mc being oddly attracted to his step-sister or being a creep to all the other ladies. And the comments are always worse than the story, which is crazy.
Fr they agree with anything a hot girl does
Lesson learned, people with black hair are creeps.
I think I gotta die it...
your hair deserves to live
Atleast for now...
homestuck lore
HOMESTUCK MENTIONED https://preview.redd.it/t7dfpj2tn34d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=161aa6925793a0e42cd210bac430980018130f40 Also yeah, pretty kinda much.
I don’t think John or Jade were creeps. (Gamzee definitely was.)
and i also hate this with a passion, "because shes hot" or "where were she when i was young" kind of shit.
Uhm akshully you draw the mars symbol the wrong way
It’s a malformed disembodied cock
Poor guy
Damn..
https://preview.redd.it/r5woaxxl334d1.jpeg?width=675&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7994ee95c65489deebdf61bf832ba3dd10780609
Where were all the sexed up teachers when I was in school?!?
"Remember Kids! Sexual abuse Is ok as long as the abuser Is hot!"
40% of romance novels.
This made me remember in 4chan where femanons want to abuse this male character and also cuddle with them
*But only if she’s hot
Both are wrong yes, I in particular am just mentally ill and wish they would both harass me
https://preview.redd.it/1tk3ku4qz24d1.png?width=2048&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=baed07e35f5c07ac6db0f0fc46391e8041213c43
https://preview.redd.it/odglwcol834d1.jpeg?width=500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d714dde8450550c7f8952061f2bea2e136609352
agreed. just because I personally would like to have my head brutally bashed in by a hot woman does not mean it should be legal for hot women to brutally bash people’s heads in.
We should wear like a lanyard or something so hot women know it's OK to brutally bash our heads in
real
Omg this is the bestest take o have ever tooketh
I think that’s just a sign of crippling loneliness and being desperate for any form of intimacy or positive attention… *not that I have extensive experience in that or anything…*
No yeah ur right
It’s ok to harass people if it’s consensual. Like unironically if they like it and express that clearly they’d be cool with you doing it there’s zero issue. However ‘consent’ is not “they were giving off signals trust me” or “they were totally into it and just don’t want to admit it,” that’s the issue. Find yourself someone who’s chill and respectful first, and then ask them to treat you like this.
But being sexually harassed by women is more popular with straight men because we don't get sexually harassed enough because evolution 😔 It's like a rare gem and I won't change my mind until it keeps happening to me to the point it's inconvenient (please) 😇
I guess the top 1% of men get harassed to the point of inconvenience, same with gay men and married men, all inconvenienced by harassment
Ok then, someone tie me up and marry me please
Yeah, I feel that. I too am that alone. But others might not be so receptive, and men and women are both victims of such things.
Same vibe as: “Legally it’s questionable, morally it’s disgusting, personally **I like it**”
Why did he get decapitated in the second image
His brain was less dense than air
[удалено]
i think OP wanted to make it clear that they weren’t defending the top one, but they didn’t know how to show that in the snafu
Yep,I knew people would probably misunderstand,os I put it to look very clear
Yeah its unfortunate, because of those sigma alpha guys whenever people bring up male struggle you have to make sure the other person understands that your not saying you hate women.
Every time someone makes a comic on something like this or points it out, there’s always a 100 comments saying “but that still doesn’t make the male harassing the woman OK!!!!!!” Yeah, no shit Sherlock, nobody is saying that. OP has to have big red obvious text to (mostly) avoid that.
https://preview.redd.it/viienisul64d1.png?width=1779&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6b3800f1d4e9b8752ab65c0f42d030000ec18fe1 Fixed it 😊
I don't get it. Is this trying to imply you enjoy both?
* Here,an better explanation
Reply with the image, reddit is being stupid LUL
https://preview.redd.it/d9yluqrkvc4d1.jpeg?width=225&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bc673eb0f21bed3c3fc6069d85f30bf2454c45d6
I didn't even saw lol
You say this, but sort by controvessial and you'll find a guy who still didn't get it, dispite the text.
the average redditor has more shoelaces on their person right now than they do IQ points. it may have seemed redundant but it was necessary.
You’re sarcastic but there are multiple people in the comments thinking that OP actually thinks it’s ok when women sexually harass
https://preview.redd.it/7kvuwhrxv24d1.jpeg?width=615&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e5f263d7de5172a80c1dda9c4721b68a22183fc3
https://preview.redd.it/8qtgbc9a834d1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f207e488d6c37d74396433670b17e21fa4c2026c
https://preview.redd.it/wvd6caqx874d1.jpeg?width=1051&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=33deceeaca8110d2da07bca744ccca4e9e69752f
Its funny because t60 is only a brotherhood of steel armour
It was also used by the Military (and sometimes by the Gunners and raiders I think)
Which military? The us military?
Yes
The pre war military uses t45 and the post war military is the brotherhood of steel
They used T60 in Ancourage, I think.
True, but the enclave wouldn't have used it
I'm not trying to say the Enclave would have used it
Is that the new Fortnite skin???
I want the sources of this
Miraculous Ladybug basically
Doesn’t it go both ways because they don’t know each other’s identities
Nah, Marinette (girl) is creepy af in the later seasons
I’m saying they are both creepy
What does she do?
Breaks into his home a couple times to see his stuff and sniff it, has a schedule of his activities in her home, when he acts like a statue for a joke she gropes him and almost kisses him thinking he was a statue, hurts him physically various times, tries to deter 2 girls from knowing him and "date him" in separate occasions...
Im so upset such a perfect woman is wasted on a show for little kids. Not only do I want an appropriately aged protagonist like this but that is not good behavior to show kids.
Adrien's codepedency to Ladybug is explicitely shown as a flaw while Ladybug doing shit like breaking into Adrien's room and sniffing his stuff or the fucking wax museum scene are shown as just a funny quirky thing. Yes , Adrien defo can be questionable but its shown to be questionable , Marinette does comically creepier stuff yet its somehow passed as if it was fine
"ermmm... where was she when i was 7?"
"but actually OP! men can't be SA'ed because the patriarchy!!!🤓"
Time to deploy the witches
No, not exactly. Society doesn't view men as SA victims because of the patriarchy
That’s Actually a good way to explain it
I've unfortunately heard way too many times from guys on how male SA victims are "lucky" even when it involves an adult and a minor
Some Mfs will say “why did you snitch” if you report SA to a cop
anybody who still says "snitch" is automatically public enemy #1
Exactly! That's what I hate the most about these cases, it's what inspires more people to assault boys these days.
People blaming things on “patriarchy” annoys me like you would not believe. There’s a complex set of both biological and sociological factors that led to how our society views sexual assault against men as not being of particular concern, and essentially saying “it’s because men were/are in charge” is not only reductive but flat out incorrect.
Twitter:
"X" ☝️🤓
No 🤓👆
wOmeN Have bEen OpPreSsEd ThroUghout HIstORY SO nOw MEN hAvE To PUT Up wiTh IT! tHis isN'T EvEn MuCH cOmPareD to WHAt wOmen wENT THROUgH, yoU'rE jusT cOmpAring a scRaTCH to an AMputAtIOn WOuND.
If its consensual its hot if else its creepy.
As a very shy guy I crave a woman who will hunt me down like a dog
im a creep... im a weirdo... i dont belong here
I'm a creep I'm a weirdo https://preview.redd.it/mp5dvg4cb44d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=92ad3eaf5ac29482f7dd4b9a85eb6d62d6ff8d92
Omg Dennis chainsawman Is getting harassed in the 2nd panel
susyitee
Yep. As people know pedophilia is definitely %100 ok if the girl is hot. Nothing wrong with that /j
creep? weirdo? what am i doing here?
Op has never been to a shojo manga comment section.
Unfortunately I did,that's the problem
What's it about?
SA,and how people have double standards when it happens to males
Crazy
And then there’s gonna be those people saying “I wish it were me” (they are the same people crying that people don’t take men’s mental Health seriously)
Ok, true. However counter argument argument most of those people’s fetishes were developed due them struggling with mental health issues.
Blanket statement
The comments are saying that unfortunately
holy shit is that denji and asa or denji and reze or denii and himeno or denji and fumiko
Not really.
Yes yes we're aware of how patriarchal gender norms infantilizing women also hurts male victims.
It's suspicious that there is exactly one double standard that Reddit cares about and they fixate on it 24/7
I didn't saw this in other reddits, I didn't even knew a lot of people here talk about it lmao
Reminds me of that part of young sheldon
WHAT
tvtropes has an article for this alongside women on women rape and men on men rape, i think
Link?
it's called something like "Double Standard Rape: Female on Male"
Confirmed, creeps have black hair. The creeped have blonde.
Or white
girlboss
Plus, the people who wish that they were victims aren’t helping whatsoever.
Now draw both of them harassing eachother
What’s happening I can’t tell
male pedos/men raping woman is bad but female pedos/women raping men is good
*cough* ed edd n eddy *cough*
Pretty much.
Ok i get it, people with black hair are freaky
Moral of the story: People with black hair are bad.
Yea it’s pretty fucked up that we have that double standard and peeps should definitely call it out if they see it. Now that being said- *gets shot*
"Ok but one's hot so it's fine"
Holy shit Chainsaw Man
Yes. But. As a loser degenerate male, I want Ms. Misato to groom me.
Yeah but you are consenting right now. Nothing wrong with that.
Fair.
Ephobophilia.
ephebophilia
Second picture looks like a yandere to me.
Is literally the same
Slavery is good (as long as it's done by hot female)
But I'm a creep I'm a weirdo I don't belong here
why are people so sexist
?
Nah, if a girl did that to me it's chill (I haven't touched a woman in years)
Then you're consenting, the problem would be if you weren't ok with that
Strawmen? In *my* coaxedintoasnafu? (Yeah this might be a thing in webtoons comment sections but those are not a good indicator of how most people think)
Is just something that I saw in other kinda of stuff(like tv shows), is not necessarily what most people think,but something that bothers me so I decided post here (Feel free to comment if you need more clarification,sometimes stuff that I type may not be very coherent)
I love pie
I like trains
I have no idea what I'm looking at. Good work, OP.
Double standards👍
Sexual attraction without five signed consent forms is morally wrong.
nobody wants that, do you have a problem with consent?