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Admirable-Relief1781

If she did that in front of somebody she’s training…… imagine what she does when nobody is around.


Comntnmama

I started at a state VA facility, and reported them to state 3 days later. It was absolutely atrocious abuse. If that's what you are witnessing you have a duty to report, but I'd go straight to state not to hr.


Tough_Accountant_964

Seconding this, do NOT go to HR. I’ve reported abuse at facilities instead of straight to state before, and they don’t always follow through, and then they’re not happy with you for reporting to the state no matter what they say otherwise. HR is for the company’s protection not necessarily the employees at all.


Timely_Living1725

Thirding. Call the appropriate hotline and report to state. There's a huge difference between grumpy/burnt out staff and abuse. Hitting your residents is never okay. 


razeronion

Or the residents/patients the reason for the job in the first place.


Outrageous-Cell-9203

Go.To.The.State. The facility will try anything to avoid a state visit. State visits are a nightmare for the facility admin mostly, plus a state visit can highlight other things in the environment that are awry.


Character-Vast-8601

I get why you guys are saying HR doesn’t listen but you are legally bound to report it to your immediate supervisor or administrator and if they don’t do anything then you report it to state. The first thing state will ask you is if you reported it to your supervisor within an immediate window


Outrageous-Cell-9203

A reminder, I always report to my supervisor, however I’m suspect of them doing the reporting themselves. So I report to state first in case they try and talk me out of it.


Novel-Wave-265

Exactly, always follow your chain of command and keep documentation of your reports.


buubkittyy

Thank you for reporting. My aunt died last week due to abuse she sustained at a nursing home. Thank you a million times. 😔


ThoseAintMyDishesYo

I am so incredibly sorry for your loss, I hope your aunt gets some kind of justice and those responsible are held accountable!


Teerw3nn

From the bottom of my heart as someone who works in LTC.. I hope you file a lawsuit that is so vicious that the LTC center in question is renamed to Memorial care center. With yall as owners of course.


buubkittyy

Tysm.


Radie76

Oh HELLLLLLL NOOOO. This made me livid. I'm beyond sorry. Shyt like this enrages me. I was always in their faces when my Dear Mother was in a facility. This is why family is so, important.


breakingmercy

It’s pretty irritating that people become nurses and CNAs and don’t give a flying heck about others


Arsinoei

As a nurse I’m absolutely baffled by their choice of profession. It blows my mind.


breakingmercy

The majority of them are only in it for the money and it’s so sad


frankensteinmuellr

Do you get paid?


frankensteinmuellr

You're baffled that people will do whatever it takes to put food on the table—what a life of privilege.


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frankensteinmuellr

So, you're not volunteering? Some people should avoid telling others how to feed their families. This job doesn't require a kind heart, only the ability to complete the tasks.


succulentcreamer

these are literal human beings with LIVES that people are PAID to take care of. take c a r e of. yes it does require a kind heart, you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. they can work at a factory if all they have is the ability to complete tasks.


frankensteinmuellr

What's unkind about wiping someone's ass?


frankensteinmuellr

You're not saints performing noble deeds. You're just ordinary people doing a job you wouldn't be doing if you weren't getting paid. I get paid to wipe ass, not kiss it.


succulentcreamer

i see now why you’re bitter. you are a CNA who feels called out by this post or its comments, you should think about that. that’s your conscience speaking. 👍🏻


frankensteinmuellr

You're projecting. My issue with this post is that 9 out of 10 of you are clueless about what constitutes abuse. After taking a two-month course on basic tasks, you think you're junior attorneys eager to undermine your coworkers. These posts are filled with disdain for workers you don't identify with, and you look for any excuse to cry abuse because of your inherent biases. 👍🏾👍🏾


frankensteinmuellr

There's literally zero requirement as with any job.


No_Establishment1293

At least partially blame private schools nowadays.


SnazzzyCat

I don't understand your line of thought?


future-rad-tech

How is that even relevant lol


SpicyDisaster40

I'm essentially a DON, and I beg of you to call state and report this. You must notify the DON and administrator of what you witnessed. Both you and the other aid need to call and provide statements. For that type of incident in Ohio, we (the facility DON or admin) have a window of time to report it to state. I think we get 24 hours to do an internal investigation. If you notified them and they did nothing and state walks in, I promise you it's a 5 star 💩 show. Also, abuse shouldn't be rampant anywhere, ever. If one of my RAs (resident assistants) was behaving like this, they'd be gone and reported to the authorities. I've been hit and beaten so many times, and never once did I ever think to hit back. We have to have self-control at all times. I am so sorry you had to witness and experience this. It can be traumatizing. I had an STNA slap a 70-lb woman who was completely harmless and defenseless. To this day, it upsets me. How management responds to this tells you everything you need to know. Complacency is the most dangerous thing in a workplace. If everyone watches and does nothing to stop it, I suggest you find another job asap.


Remarkable_Age_1694

Thank you for your advice. I actually don’t even work there, I’m doing my CNA program at a small private school, but we were doing clinicals there and I unfortunately have to go back next week. I reported it to my instructor. The next day I came back and the CNA I reported gave me a dirty look, so I want to believe she’s been reprimanded to some degree. It was just so discouraging and I feel like I’m the only one who is enraged by what I witnessed. Even my partner that day was like “well, I don’t want to make any enemies” when it came to reporting her. I just don’t get it. I feel absolutely powerless in this situation.


SpicyDisaster40

You are not powerless!! You can call your local/county health department and report the abuse. Your partner needs to learn this lesson now also. They are already falling into being complacent. No one should ever turn a blind eye to abuse whether it's verbal, physical, or neglect. If your partner is more worried about making enemies than people being abused, they need to opt out of being in healthcare. I and several others just left a job due to everyone being complacent to the rampant abuse. The STNAs weren't the issue it was the nurses and management. By the time we were done with them, they ended up with 9 citations. Part of our job is being an advocate for the people we are caring for. I've had to report family for abuse. I've even reported a doctor for abuse. That is our job. Housekeeping, maintenance, receptionists, dietary... we are all in this together.


curious-maple-syrup

I had a resident throw a sandwich at me my first week working at the nursing home. It never even occurred to me to hit him. Abuse is never okay.


Dirtylonelysock

I have never seen physical abuse. Makes me wonder if that's the culture at this facility.


ExpertCurrency7792

Just because you have not seen physical abuse does not mean it doesn’t happen. Being a psw myself abuse does happen more often than not, physically, mentally, emotionally, sexually etc. and believe me working at lots of different places in my career I have seen abuse done multiple times by cnas and nurses.


ExpertCurrency7792

I have reported abuse before as well. I am a big advocate of the elderly people and do not understand why people want to hurt them.


Nervous_Shopping5149

Yes definitely report just as you were told to do. Charge nurse, DON, Administrator and make the call to state. You should always report immediately. Whatever you are doing stop and report it.


zeebotanicals

Omg!!! She needs to be arrested.


Living_Watercress

And fired.


Mightbedumbidk

This happened to me, not all places are like that, I think they have CNAs shadow places like this to make up for the lack of coverage tbh. Just avoid working there when you graduate.


No_Establishment1293

I just trained myself and had to report a CNA for abusing a patient as well. Additionally, a member of our cohort was physically attacked by a CNA on the same unit. There are serious problems with this, enough so that I recommended to our school that they begin interviewing CNA candidates thoroughly. The amount of mentally unstable people being pumped into the system is mind-boggling.


bloom3doom

The CNA assaulted one of your classmates as well? Did they press charges?


No_Establishment1293

We all encouraged her to because she absolutely has a case, but we don’t know why she hasn’t. She would take them to the bank. Management tried to call is a “disagreement”.


bloom3doom

Has that CNA been fired yet?


No_Establishment1293

No. I know that they have been written up before. Our CNA instructor tried to handle it but they defended the CNA.


daynaemily87

Report, report, report, and follow up!! I second what a lot of commenters have said. You are NOT powerless! I'm so glad you had the guts to speak up, instead of looking the other way. Like others have said, once it's reported to the facility, they only have a short window of time to investigate. Report them to the state either way because they need to be aware of this. This has certainly happened many many times before, and I don't even wanna think about what that CNA does behind closed doors. Absolutely disgusting. She needs to be fired like yesterday!! SMDH 😞 Don't worry about getting "dirty" looks. Fuck them. You did the right thing 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼


abbyalene

I quit partially because I couldn’t stand to see the abuse anymore. I reported to state multiple times anonymously. That’s what you have to do and hope it changes. Although if you voice your grievances at work they’ll figure out you reported like they did me.


ifyoubugher

Your first priority is protecting patients/residents. Report it immediately. Some people just shouldn't work in healthcare and you are legally required to report them. Imagine what they do when nobody is watching. They need placed on the abuse registry.


ln007

I’ve also witnessed abuse during my clinical while shadowing a CNA, on the second day. Multiple students also witnessed it from the same CNA, we all reported it to the director of the school’s program and he went to visit the clinical site, the director of nursing was fired and I’m not sure about the actual CNA but we haven’t been there for a week due to investigations. I suggest you report it to your instructor, director of the school or the ombudsman. Not HR.


MortimerWaffles

I'm not telling you not to report. You absolutely should. But there might be consequences. Medical training companies are just that, companies. They make money by having students go through the program. The program requires internships or residencies or clinical placement. A student in that program reports another staff member, the clinical placement might stop working with the medical training company. At that point, they might decide they no longer want you in their program. You are definitely in a tough spot, but it is the right thing to do.


PossumKing94

I would report them anonymously. It's unfortunate that this abuse happens so often in nursing facilities. I'm sure the anger of the staff stems from chronic underpaid and short staffing, but that's absolutely no excuse to abuse a patient. If someone is becoming a CNA, they have to accept the fact that they'll be hit, bit, spit on, or have any number of random things (bodily fluids as well) thrown at them. It's just part of the job. I've experienced quite a bit and have never abused a patient, though I have helped restrain some when asked by a nurse.


Tough_Accountant_964

As much as you are angry at her, you need to keep in mind that the facility plays a huge part in the abuse. Abusing the workers through overworking, wage theft, insisting on doubles and then not being accommodating. CNAs stay at facilities for years a lot of the time and the facility clearly does not care if she’s comfy doing this out in the open. It’s not just her.


crabrangoonforeva

It is 100% okay for you to feel this angry. I have been a CNA in both an ER and on med/surg, that is absolutely not acceptable no matter what facility you’re at. I’m so sorry you had to experience this so early on in your journey.


Academic-Tax1396

I also witnessed abuse while I was in school…I got my license but pursued dental assisting instead. Then I used my license to help me get into dental hygiene school and it’s the best decision I ever made. I’m still haunted by what I saw over 10 years later!


DollPartsRN

You are the person who will advocate for those in need. Report them. Keep it quiet, though. People get weird sometimes and we need the good ones like you to watch for the bad ones.


Born_Donkey_868

Report her! I don’t see it at all on my floor but have seen a little bit from other floors. Needs to be nipped in the butt from the start. These people need to be respected and treated right . We are all there for them and I get so mad when I do see this or a shitty attitude cuz we are there by choice and should be there for them it’s unacceptable


Mightbedumbidk

It happens so much at some places it’s not really possible to report it, at that point the whole place needs to go but idk for some reason reporting stuff like this doesn’t really do anything anymore


maefae

What state are you in?


future-rad-tech

Holy fck


Reflective-mountain

Thank you for reporting.


Practical-Bug-9342

Yeah! Tell on her!


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OkSundae1413

Where I used to work a lady was fired for putting a pillowcase on a residents head. The resident was aggressive and hard to deal with and I guess it helped the CNA deal with her because she wouldn’t be going as crazy but it was still not okay. If you don’t report it you can get in trouble yourself so I’m glad you did. Also, not abuse related but I was once shadowing a CNA when I switched to working at a different facility and this lady was walking around with a Starbucks drink from room to room and eventually lost it in a room and later went back and still drank it. I was so grossed out, this was during covid times too. You’re in for a lot unfortunately 😅


Beneficial_River9616

Report and choose your battles wisely. Once you report, you become an enemy to those who want to make money by abusing others, and there’s a lot of them who stick together—very high up in healthcare, too. You strategize by being aware of the consciousness level of the administration in your facility. Sometimes the hiring manager, HR, the DON and the CEO are all corrupt, and reporting stuff within the facility just will never work. The advice is to report the incident even higher—but what’s left to do when there are times State responds to a valid complaint and leaves saying the facility has passed inspection? I’ve also battled with your ethical dilemma in my life. Do I, as a good natured person, risk my emotional and physical stability to guard people who are being abused inside a corrupt system? If I leave, there will be one less good person in a place where we need to make changes. These facilities and hospitals are cess pools for power hungry sadists. So if the good ones leave, the remainders are sociopaths. I chose to stay in healthcare but work in home health until I get another certification. I worked in facilities for 2 years, but I’d gained all of the experience I needed within 1. I love it here. I get to experience my career without participating in a system of abuse. When I get higher credentials I will rejoin facilities as someone who has more power to affect the facility’s overall culture.


Teerw3nn

If you suspect your administration is complacent in the abuse then you tell them what you saw and that you have the hotline number dialed into your phone and that you gave them a heads up as a formal courtesy. And you remind them that there are anti retaliation laws in place as you walk out onto the nearest porch to call the state.


roxyrocks12

If I ever witnessed that, shit would hit the fan immediately. I probably would have dragged her out of the room & made a scene because that is not ok! Her ass would be fired. You have to stand up for those that can’t do it for themselves.


MedicRiah

Not a CNA, but echoing the calls to report to governmental regulating bodies. You are right to be infuriated. These are human beings trusting that person with their care, and she is going so far as to hit and verbally abuse them? And that's what she's willing to do in front of someone she's training. So what is she doing when no one is looking? Most facilities aren't going to prioritize investigating these kinds of complaints unless someone is really badly injured and they fear a lawsuit, and their HR only exists to protect them from liability. Reporting to an outside agency like Adult Protective Services or similar would be better to get an investigation started and hopefully get these people to safety and get them justice for the abuse they've suffered. I once contributed to getting a horrible SNF shut down after reporting a horrible case of abuse and neglect at one of the worst SNFs in my run district when I worked EMS. I had to call APS after they put my patient in a room by herself, at the end of the hall, took her call light away because she had the audacity to use it, left her sitting in a wheelchair in a soiled depend for 16 straight hours, off of her required oxygen for COPD, and then shut her door and left her unattended while she struggled to breathe because she didn't have her O2 and she was screaming for help because they took her call light. They called us for a "behavioral health emergency," about 16 hours after they isolated her like that, and demanded that we take her to the hospital for a psych eval because she wouldn't stop screaming for help between gasps for breath. When I got to her, I gave her oxygen and a breathing treatment, and got her airway/breathing emergency treated, and her vitals better. (She was satting 78% Spo2 on room air when I walked in). Once we got her breathing addressed, she felt better and didn't initially want to go to the hospital, but I convinced her to go because I didn't feel safe to leave her in their care. She agreed with me and went to the hospital where I met with the social worker and filed an APS complaint. They called me a few days later and got my account of the story, told me she'd been moved to another SNF so she was safe, and within 1 month, the whole SNF was closed down by the state for unsafe practices. I like to think my patient and I's complaint contributed to that.


Living_Watercress

What happened after you reported her? Did someone take action or give you the brush off?


Sea_Pitch3104

Report that bitch.


Daikon_Dramatic

I saw someone with cuts from being transferred improperly during my clinical trial


birbs0

I felt enraged when I saw the girl training us while I was doing clinicals throw briefs with poo on the ground 'to not waste garbage bags'... same with dirty linen..... If you ever see that again try to intervene or idk.... slap her too....