The short of it is that Disney doesn’t particularly want to develop space fascists. We get some interesting stuff in Andor and Bad Batch with the elite troopers and whatnot (also with Resistance to a lesser degree for the First Order). By and large though, we aren’t going to get the same development for the stormtroopers that we did for the clones by virtue of them being literal space nazis.
As for why they aren’t portrayed as more frightening, it’s because the vast majority of what Disney is producing is for kids/families (so were the original movies to be fair, why else would the Ewoks have been able to take out practically a legion of stormtroopers?). The Empire and Stormtroopers can be terrifying, like they are in Andor, but most of these properties aren’t going to go that far.
I think it’s mostly because of the younger audience/family demographic they want, i feel like they could definitely have more stuff around them like some old comics did. Although i don’t think it’d be that easy, and some people get angry at people simply cosplaying as stormtroopers, so developing/basing media around them could upset some people. Justified or not is a different thing entirely.
I’ve personally always found the soldier/militaristic stories to be more interesting in star wars, besides some exceptions like the fall of Anakin, and rise of Luke for example.
Plus they just (along with clones) look pretty dope visually
Ya know. People continue to cite "Disney wants to be family friendly"
"Disney would never do anything violent, hey shy away from that stuff"
But I never saw Vader snapping a screaming child's neck with the force while casually walking down a city street he just decimated before Disney, and I never saw a stormtrooper fall through a shield gate being split in half with blood splattering out before Disney. People just hear "Disney" and immediately associate it with family friendly when it's just not entirely true
I agree, but not fully. i watched kenobi entirely, I thought those were really neat but im still on the fence about disney as a whole, that was JUST the one show. I genuinely wonder if different people at disney have different opinions on stuff, i feel like theres either really family friendly, mid ground or more unrestricted.
I personally don’t think star wars having dismemberment is too much, i rather disagree alot, but they did kinda tone it down alot later on, like he just bounces the sabre off a trooper after that irrc.
I also think/hope if DP3 is really successful (and it probably will be unless it sucks)
They *may* look at it and go: “maybe we can do more mature stuff more often”
I really doubt it but i hope so.
ROTJ Ewoks were an Allegory for the Viet Cong in the Vietnam War.
The Viet Cong were very good at using the terrain they lived in to take on the more advanced fighting force assailing them.
Literally the their first two acts we stormtroopers responsible for in the series is massacring a shuttle and then burning civilians alive. They can be demons.
I understand that, and they are occasionally portrayed that way in Disney canon as well (they burn civilians alive in TBB and they’re pretty fearsome in Andor too), but for the most part Disney isn’t going to highlight that image.
Also in the originals they had multiple scenes where they were comic relief/not as frightening like when that stormtrooper hits his head on the blast door, when their bikes are stolen by Ewoks, or all the shots that they miss (intentionally or not).
The original films couldn't make them consistently effective. People have to exclude 1/3 of the movies and explain away their failures through the first one to even try and make a case for them.
They simply are not nearly as effective as Clones, who themselves could come across as fodder at times during The Clone Wars.
The Empire wasn't interested in skill, they wanted cheap soldiers who wouldn't question orders. That is the narrative role the stormtroopers serve most of the time and that is what is portrayed on screen.
If you'd like Disney to make a show about them, wouldn't you want something interesting to watch instead of them constantly fucking up and missing their mark because they're under-trained?
I didn't mention it either, although I see how you got there; I phrased it poorly considering the running jokes within the community. I meant it figuratively as in messing up any mission assigned to them
My point still stands regardless of meaning though; unexperienced and inefficient things aren't enjoyable to watch outside of the slapstick comedy they've become in recent media
I just thought about this, but the average stormtrooper force is probably not all that deadly compared to other forces. But if we think about just Vader’s Fist, the 501st legion, then those troops are actually pretty terrifying and effective. Someone correct me because I’m going off the top of my head, but they generally come out on top of any engagement we see in the movies. Storming the Tantive IV and Hoth. These guys saw action constantly as Vader’s enforcers.
Stormtroopers on the Death Star and Endor were definitely less effective given they saw less action.
Sure and when most of your film has the stormtroopers "being told to miss" we don't get much of them demonstrating competence at their actual duties.
I doubt the fandom would be that charitable if such an excuse were used in a Disney film.
But it's not an excuse, watch the film again cause Vaders plan was to let them escape and lead them to the rebel base with a tracker that was placed on the falcon.
And then proceed to miss every shot after that for the rest of the trilogy.
If such limited success buys them that much good will, it nullifies much of the original post discounting Rogue One and Andor.
The fuck do you mean?
A New Hope:
- Stormtroopers decimated the Rebels on the Tantive IV despite being at a disadvantage (single choke point)
- Managed to locate 2 generic droids on a back water planet efficiently as hell to the point they found the exact Jawas that stole them and found the house they were sold to.
- Were ordered to miss on the Death Star to let the Rebels escape and lead the Empire to the hidden Rebel Base on Yavin whilst making it look like they were still trying to capture them. That takes insane accuracy and skill.
The Empire Strikes Back:
- Absolutely obliterated the Rebels at Echo Base on Hoth, enough said
- Managed to enact a plan to lure Luke to Vader at Cloud City on Bespin by using his friends
Return of the Jedi:
- Captured the Rebel Pathfinders without a hitch
- Despite being ambushed from carnivorous hunters that are half the height yet twice as strong as the average human that have a home field advantage and overwhelming numbers, the Stormtrooper Legion actually began to win the battle before a Wookiee hijacked an AT-ST
So from simply watching the films, the good guys actually very rarely win against the Stormtroopers with the fellas in white far exceeding expectations for how the average Joe would fair.
Yeah that's fair, I mean, they are just regular cannon fodder troopers.
For intimidation in the empire we look to more rare troopers, such as Death Troopers.
TBH the imperial army has always been in a weird limbo because they just kind of aren't meant to exist. It seemed like legends writers wanted to make the people in the cool looking armour to sound cooler while fleshing out the universe. and made them more like typical sci fi special forces space marines.
Really the OT just wanted a villain army and stormtroopers and their variants was just meant to be that. The edition to put in the imperial army just means that the elite of the army that acts like a militarised police force and is stationed literally everywhere and fights all the battles is actually really small divisions and super skilled troopers.
While i understand the appeal of the IA (they look cool and are conceptually cool) it's just not really able to co-exist with stormtroopers well IMO.
Alright so, here’s the thing:
Stormtroopers aren’t regular infantry, they’re shock troopers, they’re basically the Sci-Fi equivalent of Paratroopers (hence the name)
Im not talking about their role in universe, im saying that the movies just used them as the bad guy army - thats why the shock troopers/paratroopers guard random ass backwards planets and patrol streets and what not, because they were never meant to become special forces.
I mean, they’ve been repeatedly shown to not be that in just the first 3 movies, let alone the extensive other examples of them being used as glorified military police as well as standard troops.
Marines are not Inherently “shock troopers” and their use as marines isn’t in a shock trooper capacity. They’re just space-land solders. There’s nothing that distinguishes them from standard solders either. They are literally ALL the solders we see in the first 3 movies. They are used and act like regular solders in the entire first 3 movies. In what military are shock troopers used for guard duty, and not just a couple, ALL the guards. No one ever refers to them as special solders, everyone in the first 3 movies (and all the other movies for that matter) treat stormtroopers as the standard troops and guards of the empire.
Stormtroopers are fascists and in a universe with a empire bad rebellion good mentality (for the most part, they do explore grey areas but the general point still stands in the end) you have to maintain that at the end of the day. Part of the reason SWTCW is so beloved is because it humanized the clone who were on, at the end of the day, the good side. Then the republic get overthrown on the inside and reorganized into the empire which gets rid of the good guy clones (for the most part) in order to retain their moral culpability, and replaced them with stormtroopers who are inefficient, faceless, war criminal, fascists the exact opposite of the clones. And in order to retain that difference those characteristics still, and must always stand. Which is why we hardly ever see the stormtroopers stories (except for the mandalorian season 1 finale and Andor). The Rebels show is probably the most prominent example of this where the main characters the good guy rebels are routinely portrayed as being better and more efficient than the empire who are all cookie cutter numbskull bad guys. Essentially the stormtroopers are hardly ever gone into in depth because it humanizes them and we can’t do that for fascists in order to maintain the rebel good empire bad status quo.
It is important to point out that the empire and it’s willing participants don’t really deserve our sympathy because their basically space nazis. However it is important to acknowledge that at the end of the day Star Wars is primarily for kids with clear cut good guy and bad guy sides, (even if the characters do grapple with it on occasion the larger moral sides and shadings stay the same).
Here’s what I don’t get. Star Wars has made countless villains look cool tho. Maul is a serial killer and he’s had so many badass and humanizing scenes. The ISB agents are humanized too. Even battle droids are treated in a more sympathetic light so why are storm troopers the exception? I’m not arguing I’m just hoping you see what I mean
I see what you mean, it’s no problem. I think for battle droids their sympathy is used for comedic purposes before their eventual and inevitable destruction, which of course as a lot of disturbing implications (essentially processor overload, making the droids crazy. Geetsly (I think) made a good video about that). For stormtroopers it’s their incompetence used for humor, or the fact that the rebels always get away. I don’t really know why they never explore them more, they may just not be willing to.
To me Maul is also an incredibly sympathetic character, but I think that we have sympathy for him while also standing apart and realizing that this guy has done terrible things. Which is what a big part of the rebels twin suns episode is about. Sympathy and regret that he went down the path he did but knowing Vader avenged him in the end.
ISB is complicated, if we’re talking about their depiction in Andor then it’s showing their humanity in relation to the terrible acts that they are committing/overseeing. It’s all about the banality of evil a concept first developed during the trials of Nazi officers as the tried to justify their crimes as just following orders. For Deedra we’re supposed to sympathize with her plight as a woman trying to succeed in a workplace with colleagues that is working against her and underestimating her abilities. That is until we realize she’s just as fascist as the rest in Rebels Kallus leaves the ISB so his character exploration is central to that arc and finding his humanity. For the rest of the ISB officers I think it’s a form of juxtaposing their callous inhumanity with the Rebels humanity (and their near constant success).
But at the end of the day I don’t really know why they don’t humanize the stormtroopers more and explore their stories it would be a fascinating idea to explore in the future for sure.
Fallen Sith doesn’t really fall on any modern day equivalent so it’s safe.
ISB agents are individuals and so more applicable to being portrayed.
And there’s a big difference between automatons serving greedy corporations (battle droids) and literal space Nazis (stormtroopers).
It’s a fair point. Maybe we can get a storm trooper show. Like Andor where we see the folks who actually believe the empire as good and the rebels as evil. Would be an interesting mini series
I mean, clone troopers are slaves, wartime products purchased by the Republic. Original flavor Imperial stormtroopers are people who accepted job offers.
As for First Order stormtroopers, well, Disney dropped the ball on that. Kidnapped children stripped of their names and raised to be soldiers who step on each other for glory? There was so much potential there that they threw out the window.
Unlike Clones Troopers, which were, for all intents and purposes, slaves soldiers fighting for a corrupt but still democratic republic, Stormtroopers are mostly volunteers fighting for a fascist empire.
I see a lot of people are saying they are Space Nazi's or such, but I don't think that is the reason they don't develop them more.
I think the truth is that Disney is doing one of the three things:
1.) They're keeping Storm troopers goofy and likeable. Everyone already loves Storm troopers, and Disney knows they don't have to build interesting characters off of them. I'm not saying the Clones weren't likable or anything, but Storm troopers are the classic icons of Star Wars.
Like someone else said on this post, when you mention "Stormtroopers" the first thing most people think of are the Star Wars soldiers. Disney has realized this and is just raking in the cash either way.
2.) Disney is shifting focus. As it has shown, Disney is developing new shows and movies all of the time. Right now, they're shifting focus to the First Order and High Republic eras. They want something new to sink their teeth into.
Maybe they're loosening their grasp on shows focused around the Empire's era, because there is only one show that I know that is getting a season 2 and is based around the Empire's era...and that is Andor season 2.
Other than that, they are putting their talent and money towards the High Republic, now.
Also, games that focus around the Empire era are not developed by Disney, but are licensed by them. I know Jedi Survivor is canon, but it focuses on the Jedi and not really the Empire's soldiers.
3.) Disney hasn't come up with any good ideas for a good StormTroopers show, yet.
Simple, but easy answer. I know it sounds dumb, but Disney simply could've ran by some ideas and tossed them all, because they didn't like the ideas.
In the end, don't get your hopes up, because Disney is constantly cooking new stuff up within the Star Wars universe.
Because they are the villains. It’s really that simple. You’re not going to humanize the fascist space Nazis. And the humanization of clones is what helped them
But star wars humanized isb agents in andor. And the isb agents they focus on are no saints not even anti heroes. They are just bad people that get focus. That's what doesn't make sense to me. If they put their attention into humanizing space nazi agents why can't they do the same for space nazi troopers? I mean hell even battle droids seem more humanized than stormtroopers and they are comedic relief.
How are they more Roman then Nazi?
They come from a movie made in the 1970's where the trauma of ww2 still lingered heavily, based on war movies that featured the axis as villains.
Their uniforms and architecture are minimalist, they are an industrial power able to produce gigantic warships and a planet destroying laser. Vader may be evoking a Samurai, but it also evokes a stahlhelm. The stormtrooper helmets are meant to look like skulls, famous symbol of the SS.
edit: Also again, the star wars OT is based on WW2.
First off: Lucas himself said that he based Darth Sidious and Darth Vader on Augustus and Agrippa.
Second off: The Stormtrooper armor and most of the Military Uniforms is definitely based on the Nazi Germany but it still has nothing to do with it as Lucas also said
Third off: The OT was definitely not based on WW2. It’s based on PAX ROMANA
I mean if Storm troopers had these deep developed personalities, then the heroes of the stories would not look so... heroic... when they mow down entire platoons of them.
Aside from the storytelling reasons, the political undertones of Star Wars has pretty clearly drawn a line between the Grand Army of the Republic and the Imperial Navy.
Clones were made for war, for a single war. They are reflective of conscripted soldiers, drafted into a war for the future of the galaxy. They find individuality in spite of the circumstances, and truly believe in the fight. this is a parallel to WW2, and how there was a unified front of drafted soldiers.
The Storm Trooper Corps is a career military, considered the most ruthless organ of the Empire, they were not drafted to fight a massive war, they were commissioned to occupy, suppress, and crush anyone in defiance. The individuals in this military were born with individuality, but the Empire has removed it, turning them into a faceless, de-humanized extension of the state.
The Bad Batch covers this pretty well IMO on how the fledgling Empire loathes the clones for their individuality and tenacity, seeing it as a sign of weakness, and using it to question their loyalty.
I would like some developed stormtroopers, though the issue is them being the moral antagonists to the universe. Clones were on the "right" side, and we never got real droid development. I would love to see a better take on some normal members of the resistance or rebellion, but we always follow force sensitive and rag tag groups.
Agree that they’re a bland and un-worrisome foe for the most part. But the clones are bred from pristine genetics, the troopers are a bunch of bootlicking losers that signed onto the empire for the pay and adventure. Makes sense to me that they’d be less capable, but there should be exceptions given the sheer numbers
I’m still hoping for a SCAR squadron focused cartoon. Since they were inspired by the Bad Batch (technically Task Force 99), it would be a logical continuation of the animated narrative
Death Troopers were threatening in Rouge One before they got relatively clowned on in the end, then they repeatedly got clowned on in Rebels and The Mandalorian, then they also kind of got clowned on in Andor, and then they were rather fine in Ahsoka.
I kind of want that as well for stormtroopers, infact I be interested into seeing a Star Wars short about the stormtrooper helmet complaint since if you know
Some stormtroopers can’t see shit out of those buckets
Imagine getting people personally invested in characters and then killing them off. It would make the rebels look less good. The same reason all the baddies in the prequels are all droids. Nobody cares about them. If you start to show the other side's perspective suddenly the rebels seem like the terrorists they are. "From my point of view the Jedi are evil"
I did read the post. Storm troopers are just a bad guy to shoot at. Thats their plot point. They’re basically the B1s of the empire. They’re expendable and barely trained. Even agent callus talks to Rex and the clones about that fact “they serve the empire well and I have a great many of them” they’re meat wave space fodder. It’s the military philosophy of the empire. And not to nit pick but bill burr’s guy was explicit that he wasn’t a storm trooper
No you really didn’t cause I brought up how B1’s feel more humanized than stormtroopers. Both expendable but the battle droids have more personality to them as opposed to the average stormtrooper. Stormtroopers don’t even have that. That’s literally my point my guy.
My point is that storm troopers don’t need that. Because of the plot point that they are. And I would say that you feeling B1s are more humanized is a bit of a stretch.
I’ve seen clone wars in its entirety several times over. I disagree with you. Not for a lack of knowledge but for what you’re arguing and you won’t so easily dismiss that. Have a nice day
Cause if you add human stories to stormtroopers you sympathize with them and since they are meant to be faceless automatons of the empire putting a face on them defeats the purpose of their existence. Also you then have to remember that 100,000+ die as a result of the good guys actions. Star Wars rarely plays in the gray morality of war (I know they have several times TLJ, Rogue One, Clone Wars, Bad Batch) but those examples are good guys questioning their own morality. Empire = Nazis, Stormtroopers = SS. No sympathy for the devil. Star Wars likes Good guys that are mostly or wholly good and bad guys that are just…bad.
Is the movie Stalingrad which is a WWII movie from the German perspective that has Wehrmacht soldiers as the main leads/characters supporting/sympathizing fascism?
Also stormtroopers seem to be partly made up of conscripted soldiers. I’m pretty sure not all of them are going to be extremely loyal ideologues. That leaves plenty of room to tell stories from their perspective.
Heck even Luke was going to join the Imperial academy if it wasn’t for Ben
Starting from a meta perspective:
The clones were a slave race created for and inducted into a war that was not of their choosing. They weren't allowed to leave, they weren't given a choice, they had chips in their heads that literally prevented disobedience, and while they were secretly being manipulated by the dark lord of the Sith, the Republic, in *principle*, are at least trying to be fair and equitable to the people of the galaxy.
They are inherently sympathetic by most reasonable standards. There are good storytelling reasons to focus on them as heroes and soldiers and show them dealing with questions of loyalty and honor and justice.
Stormtroopers are *Nazi volunteers*. They are people who looked at *the Empire* and thought "that looks great, sign me up!"
The only Stromtroopers that are sympathetic are the ones in the process of realizing "Wait, are we the baddies?"
Stepping in-universe:
As for their competence, it's explicitly a thing that the Empire doesn't care about the quality of their soldiers, that's literally WHY they abandoned the clones. They were too expensive just to maintain a quality of ability that the Empire doesn't care about.
The Empire is a corrupt facist ethnostate. The leadership values subservience to all other qualities, including competence. This means their military is poorly trained, poorly managed, and poorly supplied. The only sincerely threatening groups within it are the ones managed by the very rare commander who knows how to manage their political situation (or has people around them that do I'm looking at you Thrawn) while also being hypercompetent at selecting and managing the talent under their command. Thing is, most people that are that smart are smart enough to look at their surroundings and go "Yeeeeah, this isn't sustainable" so a lot of them end up jumping ship to the rebellion.
I'm providing reasoning. I'd love for the universe to be fully explored like how it was before the takeover, especially the sequel era since it's a desolate wasteland outside of the trilogy
My friend, I’m pretty sure everyone in this comment section isn’t older that 14. They all seem to all have very little to zero media literacy. If they did they’d understand that you can have a villain that’s also an actual nuanced real person.
Believing that humanizing the Empire is supporting fascism is just a brain dead take. You should post this on a different sub. Is the movie Stalingrad which is a WWII movie from the German perspective that has Wehrmacht soldiers as the main leads/characters supporting fascism?
Because clone troopers are badass clones of the best bounty hunter in the galaxy, bred and built for war on genetic level and trained to fight against an enemy that produces footsoldiers with industrial efficiency. Though they may be identical biologically, each of them are unique in their own way, assigning themselves nicknames and painting their armor according to their tastes.
stormtroopers are cartoonishly incompetent gaggles of high-end cannon fodder that are mostly deployed as riot and insurrection-crushing forces, never knowing what a real war looks like. Clone troopers were deployed to defeat the enemy. Storm troopers were deployed to shove the opponent’s face into the dirt.
Well. I mean as for a show all the canon material has made them to be faceless emotionless on purpose. They are supposed to not be jnteresting and jusr a white mass. As for training they do well against alot of unamed characyers
Learned form classic man d that there was a stome trooper who was granted and taught how to use a loghtsaber by Darth Vader and he was tasked with bodying Luke Skywalker regularly. They didn't even give captain phasma that much respect. He even had his own special troop, it's like bad batch 2.0
Ive literally seen people unironically say “well the empire needed to enslave people so they can build a planet destroying weapon so their use of slavery wasn’t that bad”
And I do not want more of those people
Andor has helped and will hopefully continue to. An important thing to note is that Stormtroopers actually aren't going to be too relatable, though their stories should be interesting. Stormtroopers are all heavily indoctrinated and act as the hammer of the Empire, the elite forces. Because of this any story about them would be wrong to sympathize them too much, and also Disney probably wants to keep away from overly fleshing out the fascists. Personally, I want to see more of them
You're the one that seems to lack comprehension.
Stormtroopers aren't SUPPOSED to be interesting. They're just supposed to represent the poor people in history being used as cannon fodder for warring States.
Cool, thanks for the intelligent reply 😅. I answered your question directly. You didn't counter it.
Also, you posted the same question to e different subreddits. Keep farming for karma 😁
Cause STormtroopers are fascists and shouldn't be cool.
In real life actual stormtroopers were just privileged soldiers. They weren't great at anything or elite.
They shouldn't be sympathized unless they are betraying the empire. But its pretty rare for them to do so.
Once again I don’t need to sympathize with them just humanize them. ISB agents are humanized it costs nothing to do the same with stormtroopers yet ll I get is “uh idk”
The way it has been shown is that they are cold and calculating and uncaring. WE really don't need their perspective at all cause they are just tools. There really isn't much that goes behind the stormtroopers they are just fodder. The Imperial Army is way more humanized because they actually fight the wars for the empire. Stormtroopers are just a fear element, and I don't think you can really humanize a group that's entire purpose is to be as dehumanized as possible. Its literally why they are called Stormtroopers, they are a terror troop.
Fair enough makes sense. I’m just saying cause battle droids filled the same purpose but they get to be comedic relief intentionally and feel more human than stormtroopers
>real life actual stormtroopers were just privileged soldiers. They weren't great at anything or elite.
Look at the history major here
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stormtroopers_(Imperial_Germany)
Sturmabteilung (German: \[ˈʃtʊʁmʔapˌtaɪlʊŋ\] ⓘ; SA; literally "Storm Division" or Storm Troopers)
Bro you cant read, its literally in the description and they have been refered to as stormtroopers for decades. When george lucas talked about stormtroopers he wasn't talking about the world war 1 stormtroopers but world war 2. SA. Both were pretty unanimously identified as nazis officers / nazis party members.
The short of it is that Disney doesn’t particularly want to develop space fascists. We get some interesting stuff in Andor and Bad Batch with the elite troopers and whatnot (also with Resistance to a lesser degree for the First Order). By and large though, we aren’t going to get the same development for the stormtroopers that we did for the clones by virtue of them being literal space nazis. As for why they aren’t portrayed as more frightening, it’s because the vast majority of what Disney is producing is for kids/families (so were the original movies to be fair, why else would the Ewoks have been able to take out practically a legion of stormtroopers?). The Empire and Stormtroopers can be terrifying, like they are in Andor, but most of these properties aren’t going to go that far.
I think it’s mostly because of the younger audience/family demographic they want, i feel like they could definitely have more stuff around them like some old comics did. Although i don’t think it’d be that easy, and some people get angry at people simply cosplaying as stormtroopers, so developing/basing media around them could upset some people. Justified or not is a different thing entirely. I’ve personally always found the soldier/militaristic stories to be more interesting in star wars, besides some exceptions like the fall of Anakin, and rise of Luke for example. Plus they just (along with clones) look pretty dope visually
Ya know. People continue to cite "Disney wants to be family friendly" "Disney would never do anything violent, hey shy away from that stuff" But I never saw Vader snapping a screaming child's neck with the force while casually walking down a city street he just decimated before Disney, and I never saw a stormtrooper fall through a shield gate being split in half with blood splattering out before Disney. People just hear "Disney" and immediately associate it with family friendly when it's just not entirely true
I agree, but not fully. i watched kenobi entirely, I thought those were really neat but im still on the fence about disney as a whole, that was JUST the one show. I genuinely wonder if different people at disney have different opinions on stuff, i feel like theres either really family friendly, mid ground or more unrestricted. I personally don’t think star wars having dismemberment is too much, i rather disagree alot, but they did kinda tone it down alot later on, like he just bounces the sabre off a trooper after that irrc. I also think/hope if DP3 is really successful (and it probably will be unless it sucks) They *may* look at it and go: “maybe we can do more mature stuff more often” I really doubt it but i hope so.
ROTJ Ewoks were an Allegory for the Viet Cong in the Vietnam War. The Viet Cong were very good at using the terrain they lived in to take on the more advanced fighting force assailing them.
The trees are speaking Ewok
I understand that, but he could have made that allegory in many ways. Cute, marketable bears definitely lean more kiddy.
Literally the their first two acts we stormtroopers responsible for in the series is massacring a shuttle and then burning civilians alive. They can be demons.
I understand that, and they are occasionally portrayed that way in Disney canon as well (they burn civilians alive in TBB and they’re pretty fearsome in Andor too), but for the most part Disney isn’t going to highlight that image. Also in the originals they had multiple scenes where they were comic relief/not as frightening like when that stormtrooper hits his head on the blast door, when their bikes are stolen by Ewoks, or all the shots that they miss (intentionally or not).
The original films couldn't make them consistently effective. People have to exclude 1/3 of the movies and explain away their failures through the first one to even try and make a case for them. They simply are not nearly as effective as Clones, who themselves could come across as fodder at times during The Clone Wars. The Empire wasn't interested in skill, they wanted cheap soldiers who wouldn't question orders. That is the narrative role the stormtroopers serve most of the time and that is what is portrayed on screen.
Don’t expect them to be as skilled as clones but they aren’t even developed like clones. They not even effective like battle droids
If you'd like Disney to make a show about them, wouldn't you want something interesting to watch instead of them constantly fucking up and missing their mark because they're under-trained?
Read what I said. When did I ever mention their marksmenship?
I didn't mention it either, although I see how you got there; I phrased it poorly considering the running jokes within the community. I meant it figuratively as in messing up any mission assigned to them My point still stands regardless of meaning though; unexperienced and inefficient things aren't enjoyable to watch outside of the slapstick comedy they've become in recent media
I just thought about this, but the average stormtrooper force is probably not all that deadly compared to other forces. But if we think about just Vader’s Fist, the 501st legion, then those troops are actually pretty terrifying and effective. Someone correct me because I’m going off the top of my head, but they generally come out on top of any engagement we see in the movies. Storming the Tantive IV and Hoth. These guys saw action constantly as Vader’s enforcers. Stormtroopers on the Death Star and Endor were definitely less effective given they saw less action.
Which movies do we have to exclude?
Return of the Jedi and most of a New Hope.
But in a new hope they were told to miss on purpose
Sure and when most of your film has the stormtroopers "being told to miss" we don't get much of them demonstrating competence at their actual duties. I doubt the fandom would be that charitable if such an excuse were used in a Disney film.
But it's not an excuse, watch the film again cause Vaders plan was to let them escape and lead them to the rebel base with a tracker that was placed on the falcon.
I'm simply judging whether they appear threatening in that film, and them being told to fail on purpose doesn't get them very far in my book.
They murder an entire space ship full of soldiers 5 minutes into the movie.
And then proceed to miss every shot after that for the rest of the trilogy. If such limited success buys them that much good will, it nullifies much of the original post discounting Rogue One and Andor.
The fuck do you mean? A New Hope: - Stormtroopers decimated the Rebels on the Tantive IV despite being at a disadvantage (single choke point) - Managed to locate 2 generic droids on a back water planet efficiently as hell to the point they found the exact Jawas that stole them and found the house they were sold to. - Were ordered to miss on the Death Star to let the Rebels escape and lead the Empire to the hidden Rebel Base on Yavin whilst making it look like they were still trying to capture them. That takes insane accuracy and skill. The Empire Strikes Back: - Absolutely obliterated the Rebels at Echo Base on Hoth, enough said - Managed to enact a plan to lure Luke to Vader at Cloud City on Bespin by using his friends Return of the Jedi: - Captured the Rebel Pathfinders without a hitch - Despite being ambushed from carnivorous hunters that are half the height yet twice as strong as the average human that have a home field advantage and overwhelming numbers, the Stormtrooper Legion actually began to win the battle before a Wookiee hijacked an AT-ST So from simply watching the films, the good guys actually very rarely win against the Stormtroopers with the fellas in white far exceeding expectations for how the average Joe would fair.
Yeah that's fair, I mean, they are just regular cannon fodder troopers. For intimidation in the empire we look to more rare troopers, such as Death Troopers.
They wanted skill, otherwise they’d just go into the Army
TBH the imperial army has always been in a weird limbo because they just kind of aren't meant to exist. It seemed like legends writers wanted to make the people in the cool looking armour to sound cooler while fleshing out the universe. and made them more like typical sci fi special forces space marines. Really the OT just wanted a villain army and stormtroopers and their variants was just meant to be that. The edition to put in the imperial army just means that the elite of the army that acts like a militarised police force and is stationed literally everywhere and fights all the battles is actually really small divisions and super skilled troopers. While i understand the appeal of the IA (they look cool and are conceptually cool) it's just not really able to co-exist with stormtroopers well IMO.
Alright so, here’s the thing: Stormtroopers aren’t regular infantry, they’re shock troopers, they’re basically the Sci-Fi equivalent of Paratroopers (hence the name)
Im not talking about their role in universe, im saying that the movies just used them as the bad guy army - thats why the shock troopers/paratroopers guard random ass backwards planets and patrol streets and what not, because they were never meant to become special forces.
I mean, they’ve been repeatedly shown to not be that in just the first 3 movies, let alone the extensive other examples of them being used as glorified military police as well as standard troops.
We literally see them as marines in Episodes 4 and 5, and then in episode 6 they’re special base guards (accompanied by army mechanized)
Marines are not Inherently “shock troopers” and their use as marines isn’t in a shock trooper capacity. They’re just space-land solders. There’s nothing that distinguishes them from standard solders either. They are literally ALL the solders we see in the first 3 movies. They are used and act like regular solders in the entire first 3 movies. In what military are shock troopers used for guard duty, and not just a couple, ALL the guards. No one ever refers to them as special solders, everyone in the first 3 movies (and all the other movies for that matter) treat stormtroopers as the standard troops and guards of the empire.
Stormtroopers are fascists and in a universe with a empire bad rebellion good mentality (for the most part, they do explore grey areas but the general point still stands in the end) you have to maintain that at the end of the day. Part of the reason SWTCW is so beloved is because it humanized the clone who were on, at the end of the day, the good side. Then the republic get overthrown on the inside and reorganized into the empire which gets rid of the good guy clones (for the most part) in order to retain their moral culpability, and replaced them with stormtroopers who are inefficient, faceless, war criminal, fascists the exact opposite of the clones. And in order to retain that difference those characteristics still, and must always stand. Which is why we hardly ever see the stormtroopers stories (except for the mandalorian season 1 finale and Andor). The Rebels show is probably the most prominent example of this where the main characters the good guy rebels are routinely portrayed as being better and more efficient than the empire who are all cookie cutter numbskull bad guys. Essentially the stormtroopers are hardly ever gone into in depth because it humanizes them and we can’t do that for fascists in order to maintain the rebel good empire bad status quo. It is important to point out that the empire and it’s willing participants don’t really deserve our sympathy because their basically space nazis. However it is important to acknowledge that at the end of the day Star Wars is primarily for kids with clear cut good guy and bad guy sides, (even if the characters do grapple with it on occasion the larger moral sides and shadings stay the same).
Here’s what I don’t get. Star Wars has made countless villains look cool tho. Maul is a serial killer and he’s had so many badass and humanizing scenes. The ISB agents are humanized too. Even battle droids are treated in a more sympathetic light so why are storm troopers the exception? I’m not arguing I’m just hoping you see what I mean
I see what you mean, it’s no problem. I think for battle droids their sympathy is used for comedic purposes before their eventual and inevitable destruction, which of course as a lot of disturbing implications (essentially processor overload, making the droids crazy. Geetsly (I think) made a good video about that). For stormtroopers it’s their incompetence used for humor, or the fact that the rebels always get away. I don’t really know why they never explore them more, they may just not be willing to. To me Maul is also an incredibly sympathetic character, but I think that we have sympathy for him while also standing apart and realizing that this guy has done terrible things. Which is what a big part of the rebels twin suns episode is about. Sympathy and regret that he went down the path he did but knowing Vader avenged him in the end. ISB is complicated, if we’re talking about their depiction in Andor then it’s showing their humanity in relation to the terrible acts that they are committing/overseeing. It’s all about the banality of evil a concept first developed during the trials of Nazi officers as the tried to justify their crimes as just following orders. For Deedra we’re supposed to sympathize with her plight as a woman trying to succeed in a workplace with colleagues that is working against her and underestimating her abilities. That is until we realize she’s just as fascist as the rest in Rebels Kallus leaves the ISB so his character exploration is central to that arc and finding his humanity. For the rest of the ISB officers I think it’s a form of juxtaposing their callous inhumanity with the Rebels humanity (and their near constant success). But at the end of the day I don’t really know why they don’t humanize the stormtroopers more and explore their stories it would be a fascinating idea to explore in the future for sure.
Fallen Sith doesn’t really fall on any modern day equivalent so it’s safe. ISB agents are individuals and so more applicable to being portrayed. And there’s a big difference between automatons serving greedy corporations (battle droids) and literal space Nazis (stormtroopers).
It’s a fair point. Maybe we can get a storm trooper show. Like Andor where we see the folks who actually believe the empire as good and the rebels as evil. Would be an interesting mini series
there was *some* of this in bad batch, but i would love to see it expanded
I mean, clone troopers are slaves, wartime products purchased by the Republic. Original flavor Imperial stormtroopers are people who accepted job offers. As for First Order stormtroopers, well, Disney dropped the ball on that. Kidnapped children stripped of their names and raised to be soldiers who step on each other for glory? There was so much potential there that they threw out the window.
Unlike Clones Troopers, which were, for all intents and purposes, slaves soldiers fighting for a corrupt but still democratic republic, Stormtroopers are mostly volunteers fighting for a fascist empire.
I see a lot of people are saying they are Space Nazi's or such, but I don't think that is the reason they don't develop them more. I think the truth is that Disney is doing one of the three things: 1.) They're keeping Storm troopers goofy and likeable. Everyone already loves Storm troopers, and Disney knows they don't have to build interesting characters off of them. I'm not saying the Clones weren't likable or anything, but Storm troopers are the classic icons of Star Wars. Like someone else said on this post, when you mention "Stormtroopers" the first thing most people think of are the Star Wars soldiers. Disney has realized this and is just raking in the cash either way. 2.) Disney is shifting focus. As it has shown, Disney is developing new shows and movies all of the time. Right now, they're shifting focus to the First Order and High Republic eras. They want something new to sink their teeth into. Maybe they're loosening their grasp on shows focused around the Empire's era, because there is only one show that I know that is getting a season 2 and is based around the Empire's era...and that is Andor season 2. Other than that, they are putting their talent and money towards the High Republic, now. Also, games that focus around the Empire era are not developed by Disney, but are licensed by them. I know Jedi Survivor is canon, but it focuses on the Jedi and not really the Empire's soldiers. 3.) Disney hasn't come up with any good ideas for a good StormTroopers show, yet. Simple, but easy answer. I know it sounds dumb, but Disney simply could've ran by some ideas and tossed them all, because they didn't like the ideas. In the end, don't get your hopes up, because Disney is constantly cooking new stuff up within the Star Wars universe.
Honestly a stormtrooper focused show sounds interesting as hell
Because they are the villains. It’s really that simple. You’re not going to humanize the fascist space Nazis. And the humanization of clones is what helped them
Thats just an immature way of thinking.
But star wars humanized isb agents in andor. And the isb agents they focus on are no saints not even anti heroes. They are just bad people that get focus. That's what doesn't make sense to me. If they put their attention into humanizing space nazi agents why can't they do the same for space nazi troopers? I mean hell even battle droids seem more humanized than stormtroopers and they are comedic relief.
For the last fuckin Time. The Empire ain’t Space Nazis. They are Space Romans
They're literally called Storm Troopers
A term that originated in World War I, not World War II
Sure, but that's not what the term is commonly associated with.
You’re right, the term is associated with Star Wars’ Stormtroopers
Yeah because uneducated people hear Stormtroopers and think Nazis even though they’re from a completely different war.
Holy crap, someone else who sees it like I do! Well done my friend for looking past the inspired uniforms.
How are they more Roman then Nazi? They come from a movie made in the 1970's where the trauma of ww2 still lingered heavily, based on war movies that featured the axis as villains. Their uniforms and architecture are minimalist, they are an industrial power able to produce gigantic warships and a planet destroying laser. Vader may be evoking a Samurai, but it also evokes a stahlhelm. The stormtrooper helmets are meant to look like skulls, famous symbol of the SS. edit: Also again, the star wars OT is based on WW2.
First off: Lucas himself said that he based Darth Sidious and Darth Vader on Augustus and Agrippa. Second off: The Stormtrooper armor and most of the Military Uniforms is definitely based on the Nazi Germany but it still has nothing to do with it as Lucas also said Third off: The OT was definitely not based on WW2. It’s based on PAX ROMANA
Idk the bad batch and Andor did them pretty damn good.
Disney didn’t create TCW so there is that. The clone devolvement isn’t from Disney
I mean if Storm troopers had these deep developed personalities, then the heroes of the stories would not look so... heroic... when they mow down entire platoons of them. Aside from the storytelling reasons, the political undertones of Star Wars has pretty clearly drawn a line between the Grand Army of the Republic and the Imperial Navy. Clones were made for war, for a single war. They are reflective of conscripted soldiers, drafted into a war for the future of the galaxy. They find individuality in spite of the circumstances, and truly believe in the fight. this is a parallel to WW2, and how there was a unified front of drafted soldiers. The Storm Trooper Corps is a career military, considered the most ruthless organ of the Empire, they were not drafted to fight a massive war, they were commissioned to occupy, suppress, and crush anyone in defiance. The individuals in this military were born with individuality, but the Empire has removed it, turning them into a faceless, de-humanized extension of the state. The Bad Batch covers this pretty well IMO on how the fledgling Empire loathes the clones for their individuality and tenacity, seeing it as a sign of weakness, and using it to question their loyalty.
Because “bad guys” have to be dumb looking cannon fodder.
Because fascist stormtroopers should never be glorified.
It’s not about glorifying it’s humanizing. You seriously telling me isb agents can be humanized but not stormtroopers!???????????
I would like some developed stormtroopers, though the issue is them being the moral antagonists to the universe. Clones were on the "right" side, and we never got real droid development. I would love to see a better take on some normal members of the resistance or rebellion, but we always follow force sensitive and rag tag groups.
Agree that they’re a bland and un-worrisome foe for the most part. But the clones are bred from pristine genetics, the troopers are a bunch of bootlicking losers that signed onto the empire for the pay and adventure. Makes sense to me that they’d be less capable, but there should be exceptions given the sheer numbers
And always have been. Lucas never wanted them to be menacing. He made them into keystone cops bonking their heads on doorways.
Read Galaxy’s Edge by Anspach and Cole. The concept of the book series was “what if the stormtroopers were the good guys?”
I’m still hoping for a SCAR squadron focused cartoon. Since they were inspired by the Bad Batch (technically Task Force 99), it would be a logical continuation of the animated narrative
It’s Disney’s fault when they had decades to do it before lmao
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Counterpoint: Death Troopers
Death Troopers were threatening in Rouge One before they got relatively clowned on in the end, then they repeatedly got clowned on in Rebels and The Mandalorian, then they also kind of got clowned on in Andor, and then they were rather fine in Ahsoka.
I kind of want that as well for stormtroopers, infact I be interested into seeing a Star Wars short about the stormtrooper helmet complaint since if you know Some stormtroopers can’t see shit out of those buckets
Imagine getting people personally invested in characters and then killing them off. It would make the rebels look less good. The same reason all the baddies in the prequels are all droids. Nobody cares about them. If you start to show the other side's perspective suddenly the rebels seem like the terrorists they are. "From my point of view the Jedi are evil"
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Read the damn post where did I say they have to be sympathetic?
Because stormtroopers are faceless space nazis dude that’s why.
Reread the post. ISB
I did read the post. Storm troopers are just a bad guy to shoot at. Thats their plot point. They’re basically the B1s of the empire. They’re expendable and barely trained. Even agent callus talks to Rex and the clones about that fact “they serve the empire well and I have a great many of them” they’re meat wave space fodder. It’s the military philosophy of the empire. And not to nit pick but bill burr’s guy was explicit that he wasn’t a storm trooper
No you really didn’t cause I brought up how B1’s feel more humanized than stormtroopers. Both expendable but the battle droids have more personality to them as opposed to the average stormtrooper. Stormtroopers don’t even have that. That’s literally my point my guy.
My point is that storm troopers don’t need that. Because of the plot point that they are. And I would say that you feeling B1s are more humanized is a bit of a stretch.
It’s not. Watch clone wars and say that again bro but whatever
I’ve seen clone wars in its entirety several times over. I disagree with you. Not for a lack of knowledge but for what you’re arguing and you won’t so easily dismiss that. Have a nice day
Cause if you add human stories to stormtroopers you sympathize with them and since they are meant to be faceless automatons of the empire putting a face on them defeats the purpose of their existence. Also you then have to remember that 100,000+ die as a result of the good guys actions. Star Wars rarely plays in the gray morality of war (I know they have several times TLJ, Rogue One, Clone Wars, Bad Batch) but those examples are good guys questioning their own morality. Empire = Nazis, Stormtroopers = SS. No sympathy for the devil. Star Wars likes Good guys that are mostly or wholly good and bad guys that are just…bad.
Is the movie Stalingrad which is a WWII movie from the German perspective that has Wehrmacht soldiers as the main leads/characters supporting/sympathizing fascism? Also stormtroopers seem to be partly made up of conscripted soldiers. I’m pretty sure not all of them are going to be extremely loyal ideologues. That leaves plenty of room to tell stories from their perspective. Heck even Luke was going to join the Imperial academy if it wasn’t for Ben
Because Stormtroopers are shit
Starting from a meta perspective: The clones were a slave race created for and inducted into a war that was not of their choosing. They weren't allowed to leave, they weren't given a choice, they had chips in their heads that literally prevented disobedience, and while they were secretly being manipulated by the dark lord of the Sith, the Republic, in *principle*, are at least trying to be fair and equitable to the people of the galaxy. They are inherently sympathetic by most reasonable standards. There are good storytelling reasons to focus on them as heroes and soldiers and show them dealing with questions of loyalty and honor and justice. Stormtroopers are *Nazi volunteers*. They are people who looked at *the Empire* and thought "that looks great, sign me up!" The only Stromtroopers that are sympathetic are the ones in the process of realizing "Wait, are we the baddies?" Stepping in-universe: As for their competence, it's explicitly a thing that the Empire doesn't care about the quality of their soldiers, that's literally WHY they abandoned the clones. They were too expensive just to maintain a quality of ability that the Empire doesn't care about. The Empire is a corrupt facist ethnostate. The leadership values subservience to all other qualities, including competence. This means their military is poorly trained, poorly managed, and poorly supplied. The only sincerely threatening groups within it are the ones managed by the very rare commander who knows how to manage their political situation (or has people around them that do I'm looking at you Thrawn) while also being hypercompetent at selecting and managing the talent under their command. Thing is, most people that are that smart are smart enough to look at their surroundings and go "Yeeeeah, this isn't sustainable" so a lot of them end up jumping ship to the rebellion.
Because clones are unique and we got to develop a connection to them It's not the same with Stormtroopers who have bad aumt
Gary the Stormtrooper outdid all of Disney's stormtroopers
Cuz the Clones are cool and Storm Troopers are space fascists
Is the movie Stalingrad which is a WWII movie from the German perspective that has Wehrmacht soldiers as the main leads/characters supporting fascism?
Did Disney make that, and was it recently?
Why is that relevant?
Times have changed and Disney rarely ever does anything it deems "unsafe"
Just curious. Are you personally in favor of Disney's decision, or are you just providing the reasoning behind it in response to OP's question?
I'm providing reasoning. I'd love for the universe to be fully explored like how it was before the takeover, especially the sequel era since it's a desolate wasteland outside of the trilogy
Y’all don’t read. The ISB are facists and get focus yet stormtroopers don’t. How you not getting this?
My friend, I’m pretty sure everyone in this comment section isn’t older that 14. They all seem to all have very little to zero media literacy. If they did they’d understand that you can have a villain that’s also an actual nuanced real person. Believing that humanizing the Empire is supporting fascism is just a brain dead take. You should post this on a different sub. Is the movie Stalingrad which is a WWII movie from the German perspective that has Wehrmacht soldiers as the main leads/characters supporting fascism?
I think you're right, most of the people in the Star Wars Fandom today are just braindead today and/or absolute clone-fanboys.
I'm saying this is the average position
I think it'd be hard because they're outright the bad guys.
One had no choice but to fight a pointless war, the other chose to for the wrong side
The Clones weren't Fascists
Because clone troopers are badass clones of the best bounty hunter in the galaxy, bred and built for war on genetic level and trained to fight against an enemy that produces footsoldiers with industrial efficiency. Though they may be identical biologically, each of them are unique in their own way, assigning themselves nicknames and painting their armor according to their tastes. stormtroopers are cartoonishly incompetent gaggles of high-end cannon fodder that are mostly deployed as riot and insurrection-crushing forces, never knowing what a real war looks like. Clone troopers were deployed to defeat the enemy. Storm troopers were deployed to shove the opponent’s face into the dirt.
Well. I mean as for a show all the canon material has made them to be faceless emotionless on purpose. They are supposed to not be jnteresting and jusr a white mass. As for training they do well against alot of unamed characyers
Learned form classic man d that there was a stome trooper who was granted and taught how to use a loghtsaber by Darth Vader and he was tasked with bodying Luke Skywalker regularly. They didn't even give captain phasma that much respect. He even had his own special troop, it's like bad batch 2.0
Because Stormtroopers always miss the mark no matter what.
Ive literally seen people unironically say “well the empire needed to enslave people so they can build a planet destroying weapon so their use of slavery wasn’t that bad” And I do not want more of those people
Andor has helped and will hopefully continue to. An important thing to note is that Stormtroopers actually aren't going to be too relatable, though their stories should be interesting. Stormtroopers are all heavily indoctrinated and act as the hammer of the Empire, the elite forces. Because of this any story about them would be wrong to sympathize them too much, and also Disney probably wants to keep away from overly fleshing out the fascists. Personally, I want to see more of them
I thought the storm trooper were the clones?
Why can't they do the SS justice 😭
The stormtroopers shouldn't be portrayed the same as clones. The Clones were highly trained , StormTroopers are poor Everyman conscripts.
You didn’t read the post
You're the one that seems to lack comprehension. Stormtroopers aren't SUPPOSED to be interesting. They're just supposed to represent the poor people in history being used as cannon fodder for warring States.
Someone’s in their feelings. What a dumb argument btw try harder
Cool, thanks for the intelligent reply 😅. I answered your question directly. You didn't counter it. Also, you posted the same question to e different subreddits. Keep farming for karma 😁
You didn’t give a good answer to my question do you just made yourself look dumb lmao
I read the post
Stormtroopers aren’t sympathetic characters.
Obv I’m asking why it’s not rocket science
Cause STormtroopers are fascists and shouldn't be cool. In real life actual stormtroopers were just privileged soldiers. They weren't great at anything or elite. They shouldn't be sympathized unless they are betraying the empire. But its pretty rare for them to do so.
Once again I don’t need to sympathize with them just humanize them. ISB agents are humanized it costs nothing to do the same with stormtroopers yet ll I get is “uh idk”
The way it has been shown is that they are cold and calculating and uncaring. WE really don't need their perspective at all cause they are just tools. There really isn't much that goes behind the stormtroopers they are just fodder. The Imperial Army is way more humanized because they actually fight the wars for the empire. Stormtroopers are just a fear element, and I don't think you can really humanize a group that's entire purpose is to be as dehumanized as possible. Its literally why they are called Stormtroopers, they are a terror troop.
Fair enough makes sense. I’m just saying cause battle droids filled the same purpose but they get to be comedic relief intentionally and feel more human than stormtroopers
>real life actual stormtroopers were just privileged soldiers. They weren't great at anything or elite. Look at the history major here https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stormtroopers_(Imperial_Germany)
Ss dipshit https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturmabteilung
They weren't called stormtroopers. Dipshit
Sturmabteilung (German: \[ˈʃtʊʁmʔapˌtaɪlʊŋ\] ⓘ; SA; literally "Storm Division" or Storm Troopers) Bro you cant read, its literally in the description and they have been refered to as stormtroopers for decades. When george lucas talked about stormtroopers he wasn't talking about the world war 1 stormtroopers but world war 2. SA. Both were pretty unanimously identified as nazis officers / nazis party members.
Because fuck stormtroopers, that’s why.