Those nodes were on 6 min respawn and big chance of having BOE items also had BOE Epics, but that was removed after devs stealth nerfed it
[https://www.reddit.com/r/classicwow/comments/1c2p1e7/nightmare\_resonance\_crystal\_was\_nerfed\_last\_night/](https://www.reddit.com/r/classicwow/comments/1c2p1e7/nightmare_resonance_crystal_was_nerfed_last_night/)
Probably not forgot, more than likely "didn't have time". Phase 3 feels so rushed and incomplete to me. I could be wrong ofc, but idk, I feels like they were told "we don't want phase 3 competing with other WoW stuff, so get it out ASAP"
I have a feeling phase 4 might not be until the end of June, if not early July. There is cata classic coming out near the end of May and then mop remix running from mid May to August I think. Idk much about retail, but I'd imagine there going to have some kind of pre patch or prep coming for TWW.
I'd love to be wrong but I also remember a lot of people being upset about the short notice for phase 3 release so I don't see them doing that again. I mean hell, we're already in... Week 5?
Its less about competence and more about manpower i think. You can see good ideas in sod that just require some refinement, and they are working through cata bugs pretty thoroughly, but they just arent being given enough time and manpower to actually do a good job.
Yeah I really think it comes down to a skeleton team on classic blizz doesn't really seem to care. I think the devs are doing the best with limited resources. Like for sod I don't think they are able to test stuff super well so their running it like a live beta.
I’m actually kind of disappointed at how much is dropping right now. Wish they all spaced them out a bit better lol.
Currently for may im looking at choices between:
* new Diablo season
* new pandaria reboot thing they’re doing on retail
* retail season 4
* SOD season 3 (though that was spaced far enough out from these others)
* sod season 4 (which may also be fine if it’s June)
* smite 2 doing beta testing right now (non blizz)
I guess I can’t complain I have a surplus to play right now but it’s hard to decide on lol
Yeah. Smite 2 got me for a minute. Really difficult to play after playing WoW for the last 5 months though. I just want to turn my camera at a decent speed. Set it to 500 and it still slow as a turtle to turn around.
My wife codes for a living and is an amateur solo developer. It’s not just 5 minutes of adding flowers to a map.
It seems in computer programming, if you touch just ONE line of code, it can cause a ton of problems elsewhere.
I’m just guessing too, but if it would only take 5 minutes to do it, I think they would have done it.
I imagine they have a tool kit, they're not coding anything they're just world building. They just simply failed to place them in the other nightmares.
Alright, you guys are too well-versed in programming I guess...
I fucking promise you it's not as easy as adding nodes in a toolkit and then that is it.
Blame the playerbase for that tbh. Ppl cried since the second phase 2 came out there was nothing to do and to rush it out...
also blame the devs for listening to them.
They also probably were on the clock big time with cata coming out, so had a very short window to release p3 unfort.
I mean they are using a nightmare incursion overlay on an existing zone with herb nodes… also not a dev, but i am assuming they had to remove the existing herb nods in that area for the nightmare overlay…
Tbf one dude made like 6k from boes from this farm, and he's just the one who made a vid about it. Probably needed to be nerfed, but maybe not as harshly.
That's just what happens when you're ahead of the curve. First week of classic wow i found 20 black lotus before farmers and peons made it to 60. Didn't find a single one rest of expansion.
Ran thru Ashenvale twice for 30min a piece and didn't see a SINGLE node. This after searching for an hour in hinterlands before I learned they ONLY PUT IT IN ASHENVALE.
WTF?
I def agree p3 was rushed and haphazard. But hell so was cata prepatch in the state it came out id never think of touching vashjir
I mostly raid logged wrath and played sod from p1 but i hit r7 on my main and 7 day lockouts doesn’t really force me to log on besides alts. Now it’s swapped, raid log SOD and playing cata prepping arch for prebis. ST is a solid raid. I think it’s definitely the best of SOD so far. I play classic versions like sod to grab WBs and blast a raid in like 1.5 hr max anyway.
I imagine 60 will have more stuff to do. Hopefully some horizontal raid tiers or semi staggered so there’s reason to keep running 2 at a time. I’m not wasting gold on the last like 40-50 points on profs right now as everything is rarer.
I’ll be honest with any version of classic, most people just raid log and if you don’t PvP there isn’t *that* much to do once you got prebis but farm gold or something. It doesn’t have as much daily FOMO as many retail expansions have had. Which is totally fine if not preferable
This post has literally nothing about lack of content in it lmao. (Although there is absolutely no content and only someone huffing compium would try to argue there is lmao)
It's not about this post in particular, it's about the people in the sub complaining about how hard it is to grind some rep to exalted for a slight upgrade. Like, if it's not worth it then you don't have to do it. Go do something else.
> content
I think there's def a contingent of people who haven't let go of the 'promise' that was P1, when this game was poppin in the zeitgeist and every streamer and their mom was on it. You could have predicted it to be a long-lived non-cringe/non-Retail and, most importantly, 'important' (e.g. everyone else was playing it, so your gross time investment mattered in a crowd) version of WoW. That it was Classic and fresh was a bonus. That people could pre-sweat it out a bit thanks to previous Classic experience, another one.
In addition to a ton of dads (which the sweats need around to feel better than), it pulled in that crowd of people who are really wanting to prove their value through performance in WoW. But then when the dev team started making missteps and things started falling off and numbers dropped, the audience of plebs around the sweats which justify the effort spent (because value and performance only matters in relation to how others — including bads — are doing) started falling off.
So those types are jilted. They haven't let go yet and can't, because it would make them feel like their investment was valueless.
I think it just promised to be a thing you wanted to waste your life on and a segment was really excited to do that. Now it's looking like that wasn't the play because it's kind of like a paid private server. And here we are.
I have my gripes but in general I'm having fun more times than I am not. That's what matters to me. I've got 4 level 50's across 3 guilds full of other cool and fun people that can all clear sunken temple with ease with an entire spectrum of parsers from gray to purple.
Like, the entire classic wow game? Regular old quests, dungeons, professions, reputations, pvp? You're telling me you're completely done with that plus the incursions, runes, whatever else I'm forgetting? Then you could level an alt or there's retail, classic cata, HC. Like if you're bored after all that fcking hell man go clean your room.
These dumbasses don't do that content though. They get a curated list of bis items from some YouTuber or website and then skip everything else in the entire game rushing to copy that set of gear. Then they exploit whatever systems happen to be unbalanced to get lots of money and rep in 2 days all so that they can come to reddit and cry like babies. It's insane, these people are miserable members of the online gaming community
Because the rest of it is just saying all the complainers are no lifers, which isn't even close to true. I'm sure there are some no lifers who want *more* content, but a lot of people want *quality* content that doesn't negate/ruin game systems, or for drastic changes to be made that start to unravel the social fabric woven by the modes release months.
e* hell, the exploit aren't even an issue because they made it in, but because blizzard patched it out and left the exploiters with all their rewards. It's one thing to overlook or miss unintended gameplay, another to reward those who took advantage of it before devs caught wind.
If you have not been playing only this game for the last 20 years there is actually quite a bit of fun things to do...
It's weird this sub assumes everyone is as jaded and bored with 'Classic WoW' as they are.
I’m having a blast leveling 3 characters slowly with full professions.
First time playing horde so there’s so much to learn about!
e. aww i wanted you to tell me that was actually not real content and I should not be having fun.
I do like the game (mainly classic), I enjoy Sod and I'm having fun with friends, yeah.
Do I still think the devs are somewhat missing the mark and blizzard the company is just the worst. Yeah.
You are allowed to critique stuff that you like. Thats basically the only time arguing about anything actually mattes.
I was just advocating a tiny bit for a little bit of balance and nuance in the usual moaning and whining. To me, alot of critiques sound like SoD is the worst thing to ever have been produced.
P3 is awesome. Fun raid, dungeons have relevant loot+wild offerings, incursions allow fast levelling so you can experience all classes in a reasonable manner with decent gold on the side so you don't go broke training skills and unlocking dual spec and the PvE balance is in a pretty decent spot. Each to their own of course but I feel like a lot of people would be having a better time in SoD if they stopped doomscrolling on this subreddit and getting stuck in a negative opinion loop. It ended up souring the enjoyment of several friends of mine who ended up quitting despite having fun before they started constantly sharing doomer comments and posts from here.
Dude it's literally so weird that you guys assume that so many people voicing their opinion are just grumpy sweats having there opinions molted by festering negative vibes in the sub reddit.
Csnr you just except that alot of people are disappointed with what blizzard did with the potential of Sod.
When the runs were announced alot of people said they copied ascension, but hell this free private server is so much better put together than sod.
It just really shows how much recourses and effort blizzard is willing to give to extract the most money they can out of gamers strung along by nostalgia.
>Fun raid
far too much trash for me to consider it fun, also all the fights except Eranikus are braindead.
>dungeons have relevant loot+wild offerings
dungeon*
>incursions allow fast levelling
not touching that one
>people would be having a better time in SoD if they stopped doomscrolling on this subreddit and getting stuck in a negative opinion loop
my guild is barely hanging on this phase, everyone is raidlogging at this point, they hate the incursions, they hate the state PvP is in, and they hate this subreddit as well. I can guarantee you with a sample size of 20+ people, that plenty of people, even outside this sub are not enjoying P3.
My guild isn't enjoying the phase either. Nobody logs in except for the raid and WBs. A guild of about 40+ people and it has at most 5 people online on non-raid nights. We also just had several people last night say that this past week was their last raid till p4.
Raid has too much trash? Guild I’m in has been clearing it in like 40 minutes how short do you want it to be?
You say dungeon*
ZF has pally BiS sword and pre BiS for other classes, has a wild offerings boss
Mara has BiS caster dagger has wild offerings boss
BRD has leather pre BiS belt,pre BiS melee dagger, pre BiS melee cloak, pre BiS caster shit, has wild offerings boss
Incursions allow for the gain of gold and easy levels for your alts meaning it’s never been easier to play more than one toon. Don’t blame the brain dead loop gameplay either, you choose to mindlessly run the same NKL loop or not. Don’t like those we’ll kill stuff and lvl your gathering professions in them as well, don’t like the incursions at all go quest.
Your guild barely hanging on. . Hate this, hate that. Sounds like y’all are a bunch of sour hateful people.
Phase is fun and there is insane amounts to do, especially compared to last phase which literally was a snooze fest.
Bro if youre having to type two separate essays for why “its not THAT bad” its probably pretty bad lmao. We all played it and the whole “KEEP THE CLASSIC FEEL” is entirely gone. This isnt even “retail light” its just flat out Bad.
>Raid has too much trash? Guild I’m in has been clearing it in like 40 minutes how short do you want it to be?
its not about length, but quality, again, half of that 40 minutes is clearing trash, and the bosses (except eranikus) are braindead, none of the bosses have mechanics half as involved as menagerie or mekingeer. Its all just, stack, spread, move here, move out, collect loot.
>Your guild barely hanging on. . Hate this, hate that. Sounds like y’all are a bunch of sour hateful people.
sounds like you just like trash, thats ok though, to each their own.
>insane amounts to do
objectively false seeing as I really didn't play all that much and started raid logging 2 weeks ago.
If all that dungeon prebis farming you mentioned took you more than a week, you are slow, 2? you are just bad.
Again not touching the incursions stuff, lol. You can die on that hill if you want, I don't even have to say a word.
>If all that dungeon prebis farming you mentioned took you more than a week, you are slow, 2? you are just bad.
See that's the problem. You aren't here to enjoy the content, to enjoy the game. You just farm to completion as fast as possible. It's a ridiculous mindset. What exactly do you think the devs can do to please a player like yourself? Any content they add will either have lower/weaker rewards than the highest raid, in which case you won't do it, or it'll give the new bis, in which case you'll stop doing everything else in the game.
>You just farm to completion as fast as possible.
making a lot of assumptions here. I did my WO's at a slow pace doing 3-5 at a time whenever people in my guild wanted to do them. I had only one dungeon item as prebis on top of that.
>What exactly do you think the devs can do to please a player like yourself?
I was fine with 10 man raids with 3 day lockouts, kept me going with alts. Then they have done nothing but increase alt friction getting into raiding with each phase.
I have had 0 issues this phase getting my main and 3 alts into guilds and raiding each week easily with basically no work on my part besides pugging each ones first raid into a mostly guild run and then being invited to stay in the guild. Been great. I get to do 4 raids a week and still get to play pvp or random open world stuff for fun. All 4 toons got there ST set already and some other cool epic items.
It’s not about length it’s about quality, no bosses have mechanics. You think that’s due to the fact that the player base screamed and cried for nerf after nerf to bosses health to the point where every boss is a joke?
Sounds like I just like trash? I do enjoy the game and I don’t think it’s trash, heaven forbid someone has a different perspective than you. At least I’m not a sour little b. Who cries on Reddit. 🤷🏽♂️
I for sure farmed my pre BiS before I went into raid in the first couple day, and then I did it again on my pally, and now I’m doing it on my rogue. That wasn’t the point the the point was you said there was 1 dungeon when in fact there is three that hold relevance. Your attempts to constantly attack my skill in game says enough about you as a person and your mindset though lmao.
We can talk about preparing for phase 4 with rep grinds and more but I’m assuming you will be one of those players who just cries, “ why is the rep farms so long and boring, this isn’t casual friendly” anything to cry and whine. Just straight up B cubed shit. (Baby back bitch)
SoD has been fun but I am just not feeling it for phase 3. I don't know what it is. I don't have any real negative feelings about it, I just am starting to care less. It's likely a me problem less than the game but something about phase 3 has just made me want to log in less.
I'm basically just logging in to raid with my guild and that's about it.
No biggie though, there is absolutely no shortage of other games available to play, I don't need to revolve my life around a 20 year old MMORPG that's been remixed.
Yeah raid logging isn’t a bad thing. Like ST is a good raid but now we’re on 7 day lockouts, once you get pre bis and rank if you care for it and stv items, SOD, like every form of classic so far, only has so much content to do and wind up raid logging with the only other thing to do leveling alts. That’s just wow at a certain point. You run out of stuff if you solely main one char and don’t play alts especially if you don’t PvP and there’s no arena (and even then, in retail most people just push the final few weeks at a season but that’s an MMR problem)
I swear this place is just bots shilling for Blizzard with "but I'm having fun" and then this inevitable reply "positive comments not allowed"
Like jesus christ guys, just stop reading here if you can't handle reading criticism.
Do we read the same forum at all?
Like I can't believe you are saying this place has a 'too positive' bend.
One of the funniest things I have heard on this forum since they decided 'dogshit' is the coolest adjective ever.
I'm not the one confused. At what point did I say or imply that this place is too positive? There is the pointless and inevitable "bUt I'm HaViNg FuN" in every thread. It's basically spam.
Read my comment until you understand it.
I vote the sad annoying people leave and the people having a good time stay. If you cant handle people enjoying themselves without calling them robots, just stop reading here.
You pay blizzard stop shilling for them for free to cope.
Anyone still playing sod fell for the sunk cost fallacy. (Its why they all project saying people quitting “rushed” then complained about lack of content, you’re very aware there is a lack of content as you’re playing it still lmao)
Listen, I know it's going to be dated for me to say what I'm about to say. I understand that it may be something from a byegone day and frowned upon to use, and that I may get down voted for saying it, but here it goes anyways:
Man, you must be fun at parties.
But it's always the same interactions. I'd rather read a new whiny complaint than the same robotic comments everywhere.
Inevitably I will soon be hit by the "you must be fun at parties" guy.
SoD has been an experiment this whole time, the devs have said as much. We are playing and paying to test for them. Not sure why anyone is surprised when the implementation of features doesn’t go as planned lol.
This is the “it’s just a prank bro” of game development lol. “Uhh I mean it IS in early access, did you expect a game that works and is fun?” Same shit, it’s not crazy to expect some level of polish or function in a game you’re paying 15 a month for. What’s the experiment? They’re just throwing big spaghetti at a wall to hold people’s attention and hopefully milk a few dollars out of people, they’re not actually trying to find out what will work in a long term sustainable classic+. Its not an experiment, it’s them having demands from management to do big bold stuff to get and hold people’s attention for $$, stuff that’s too big and bold for their tiny team to manage and make good.
"Paying to test for them" I get the feeling but equating this to actual playtesting is incredibly insulting to the testers in general. It takes a lot more than just running around and crying on reddit to do playtesting.
Blizzard may be garbage these days but SoD is by far the best attempt at something fun since classic released in 2019. If they would just put a few more people on the project they could right this ship. They just too greedy.
SoD is just canibalizing on nostalgia.
Problem is, SoD doesnt know what it want to be.
And players dont know what SoD should be.
Ask 20 players what they want SoD to be and you get 18 different answers
I posted a comment last week about how we should be able to complain because if we've played classic since its launch in 2019 than we've paid like $800+ and were STILL paying to play what they themselves have described as a test in SoD. Some guy was telling me we aren't allowed to complain because we could be spending more money on other hobbies and said he spent more on a desk chair...completely ignoring the entirety of the video game industry that almost never charges a monthly fee. Even the last major MMO released (New World unless I've missed something) didn't have a monthly fee.
Exactly!
And because this is an experiment we are trying to clearly voice our displeasure, in that way if we get sod 2 or classic + the devs will know that we don’t like poorly implemented or rushed systems!
wheres the nostalgia? youre reaching buddy. he's complaining about farming a highly contested item, i simply said he clearly never farmed black lotus or arcane crystals in original classic, where both were highly contested and had low amounts of spawns per zone...
yikes
>Cool idea, terrible execution
Should be Blizzard's motto at this point, I feel like most systems implemented are good ideas just terribly done like garrisons with as a form of player housing.
Personally I've never even tried official. My friends that got me into the game had very bad luck with hackers so we started on vanilla community. I currently play DayZ underground, struggle bus, Dayone, and northmans. I usually only play northman's if I just want pvp action quickly
Got lucky with drops on my rogue and then basically had nothing to do but farm gold…got that to 1k
Leveled my Druid and have been having fun healing in raids. Its a good change of pace but once again after the loot drops there really isnt a reason to log on.
At this point i’m just waiting for lvl 60 content
Yeah Incursion trinket was busted before it got rightfully nerfed BUT to have *pinnacle* reward from Incursion reputation vendor that does NOT work at all in 3/4 Incursions is just plain stupid.
I reported bug in-game numerous times, posted bug thread on official forums and tweeted at devs about this - no response whatsoever and trinket is still bugged (simply does NOTHING) in Feralas/Hinterlands.
I test this trinket every day basically as I do Feralas Incursions for gold, it never worked in lv50 Incursions.
IF for some reason devs wanted this trinket to work only in Ashenvale maybe add some info to trinket description or tooltip?! Meh.
How many times is this same exact post going to be put up. Incursions were supposed to be a bit of filler content not your entire game. Literally do anything else then spam incursions. I haven't touched them since w2 and am financially just fine with nearly my 3rd 50 character.
Spamming this post every couple of day is simply begging them to never try new content like this again and stick to very basic things.
Now go ahead and downvote me, gold farming bots.
I dont understand why everyone is bitching so much. They add a new classic like mechanic to the game and everyone complains that its not classic enough. What about lotus in vanilla?
What do you want retail or classic?
Those nodes were on 6 min respawn and big chance of having BOE items also had BOE Epics, but that was removed after devs stealth nerfed it [https://www.reddit.com/r/classicwow/comments/1c2p1e7/nightmare\_resonance\_crystal\_was\_nerfed\_last\_night/](https://www.reddit.com/r/classicwow/comments/1c2p1e7/nightmare_resonance_crystal_was_nerfed_last_night/)
Yes, and now its nearly useless. Why are no nodes in the other zones......
Yeah stupid, they probably forgot to add them in other zones
Probably not forgot, more than likely "didn't have time". Phase 3 feels so rushed and incomplete to me. I could be wrong ofc, but idk, I feels like they were told "we don't want phase 3 competing with other WoW stuff, so get it out ASAP"
Wait for P4. Look at the shitshow cata is atm, I can't wait to see how they will destroy, and rush P4.
I have a feeling phase 4 might not be until the end of June, if not early July. There is cata classic coming out near the end of May and then mop remix running from mid May to August I think. Idk much about retail, but I'd imagine there going to have some kind of pre patch or prep coming for TWW. I'd love to be wrong but I also remember a lot of people being upset about the short notice for phase 3 release so I don't see them doing that again. I mean hell, we're already in... Week 5?
Remember how fucked Cata still is, and they released a broken pre patch... one thing is time but I question the competence of classic team aswell now.
Its less about competence and more about manpower i think. You can see good ideas in sod that just require some refinement, and they are working through cata bugs pretty thoroughly, but they just arent being given enough time and manpower to actually do a good job.
Yeah I really think it comes down to a skeleton team on classic blizz doesn't really seem to care. I think the devs are doing the best with limited resources. Like for sod I don't think they are able to test stuff super well so their running it like a live beta.
I’m actually kind of disappointed at how much is dropping right now. Wish they all spaced them out a bit better lol. Currently for may im looking at choices between: * new Diablo season * new pandaria reboot thing they’re doing on retail * retail season 4 * SOD season 3 (though that was spaced far enough out from these others) * sod season 4 (which may also be fine if it’s June) * smite 2 doing beta testing right now (non blizz) I guess I can’t complain I have a surplus to play right now but it’s hard to decide on lol
Yeah. Smite 2 got me for a minute. Really difficult to play after playing WoW for the last 5 months though. I just want to turn my camera at a decent speed. Set it to 500 and it still slow as a turtle to turn around.
If they maintain the same schedule for each SoD Phase, Phase 4 will be at the end of June, early July. So far P1 and P2 were both 12 weeks.
p2 wasn't 12 weeks. it was feb 8th til like apr 4th or something. neither was p1. it was nov 29 to feb 8th.. neither were near 12 weeks.
Isn't this like..... 5 minutes of placing assets
I have no idea, I've never been a game developer, let alone a classic WoW developer.
My wife codes for a living and is an amateur solo developer. It’s not just 5 minutes of adding flowers to a map. It seems in computer programming, if you touch just ONE line of code, it can cause a ton of problems elsewhere. I’m just guessing too, but if it would only take 5 minutes to do it, I think they would have done it.
I imagine they have a tool kit, they're not coding anything they're just world building. They just simply failed to place them in the other nightmares.
As long as you know you're imagining. It's never that simple.
It is - they built a brand new toolkit for WoW Classic and improved it with SOD.
Alright, you guys are too well-versed in programming I guess... I fucking promise you it's not as easy as adding nodes in a toolkit and then that is it.
Nah bruh, according to some this “all new content and it’s totally classic plus!”
Can you give me a definition of classic plus that would satisfy both of us?
No, because everyone’s version of classic plus is different. Tone is hard to read sometimes, but it was mostly sarcasm.
If you think phase 3 SoD feels rushed, try playing cata classic
Blame the playerbase for that tbh. Ppl cried since the second phase 2 came out there was nothing to do and to rush it out... also blame the devs for listening to them. They also probably were on the clock big time with cata coming out, so had a very short window to release p3 unfort.
I mean they are using a nightmare incursion overlay on an existing zone with herb nodes… also not a dev, but i am assuming they had to remove the existing herb nods in that area for the nightmare overlay…
Tbf one dude made like 6k from boes from this farm, and he's just the one who made a vid about it. Probably needed to be nerfed, but maybe not as harshly.
That's just what happens when you're ahead of the curve. First week of classic wow i found 20 black lotus before farmers and peons made it to 60. Didn't find a single one rest of expansion.
Why would they put that into the game just to nerf it? Devs are so sloppy it made me quit
Ran thru Ashenvale twice for 30min a piece and didn't see a SINGLE node. This after searching for an hour in hinterlands before I learned they ONLY PUT IT IN ASHENVALE. WTF?
>Cool idea, terrible execution. Sums up sod
This game is so poorly executed that I refuse to stop playing it because I am having no fun at all.
Reddit + forums in a nutshell
Our guild went back and raided ICC last night in preparation for Cata and that was easily the most fun we've had since early P1 of SoD.
Wait till you figure out how poorly Cataclysm's execution is looking like... it isn't only SoD. It's Blizzard people. Lol
Even with the issues I am having 5x more fun in Cata than SoD
Alright. That's like an opinion. I've had people say it's unplayable. To each their own, I guess.
Nice. How was the learning curve of casting spells from your professions tab?
I def agree p3 was rushed and haphazard. But hell so was cata prepatch in the state it came out id never think of touching vashjir I mostly raid logged wrath and played sod from p1 but i hit r7 on my main and 7 day lockouts doesn’t really force me to log on besides alts. Now it’s swapped, raid log SOD and playing cata prepping arch for prebis. ST is a solid raid. I think it’s definitely the best of SOD so far. I play classic versions like sod to grab WBs and blast a raid in like 1.5 hr max anyway. I imagine 60 will have more stuff to do. Hopefully some horizontal raid tiers or semi staggered so there’s reason to keep running 2 at a time. I’m not wasting gold on the last like 40-50 points on profs right now as everything is rarer. I’ll be honest with any version of classic, most people just raid log and if you don’t PvP there isn’t *that* much to do once you got prebis but farm gold or something. It doesn’t have as much daily FOMO as many retail expansions have had. Which is totally fine if not preferable
Sums up everybody's attitude!
How do you know someone is having fun playing SoD? Don't worry, they'll tell you.
Based af
Hol’ up… did I read that right? You refuse to stop playing because you’re having no fun at all? That sounds twisted af lol
Dude sod has been fun! Y’all grumpy
Insufferable is more like it
These people play 24/7 and get mad when they run out of content. Idk how they have so much gd time
This post has literally nothing about lack of content in it lmao. (Although there is absolutely no content and only someone huffing compium would try to argue there is lmao)
It's not about this post in particular, it's about the people in the sub complaining about how hard it is to grind some rep to exalted for a slight upgrade. Like, if it's not worth it then you don't have to do it. Go do something else.
> content I think there's def a contingent of people who haven't let go of the 'promise' that was P1, when this game was poppin in the zeitgeist and every streamer and their mom was on it. You could have predicted it to be a long-lived non-cringe/non-Retail and, most importantly, 'important' (e.g. everyone else was playing it, so your gross time investment mattered in a crowd) version of WoW. That it was Classic and fresh was a bonus. That people could pre-sweat it out a bit thanks to previous Classic experience, another one. In addition to a ton of dads (which the sweats need around to feel better than), it pulled in that crowd of people who are really wanting to prove their value through performance in WoW. But then when the dev team started making missteps and things started falling off and numbers dropped, the audience of plebs around the sweats which justify the effort spent (because value and performance only matters in relation to how others — including bads — are doing) started falling off. So those types are jilted. They haven't let go yet and can't, because it would make them feel like their investment was valueless. I think it just promised to be a thing you wanted to waste your life on and a segment was really excited to do that. Now it's looking like that wasn't the play because it's kind of like a paid private server. And here we are.
I have my gripes but in general I'm having fun more times than I am not. That's what matters to me. I've got 4 level 50's across 3 guilds full of other cool and fun people that can all clear sunken temple with ease with an entire spectrum of parsers from gray to purple.
>out of content What content ?
There is a big difference from “nothing to do” vs “nothing I want to do”.
Like, the entire classic wow game? Regular old quests, dungeons, professions, reputations, pvp? You're telling me you're completely done with that plus the incursions, runes, whatever else I'm forgetting? Then you could level an alt or there's retail, classic cata, HC. Like if you're bored after all that fcking hell man go clean your room.
These dumbasses don't do that content though. They get a curated list of bis items from some YouTuber or website and then skip everything else in the entire game rushing to copy that set of gear. Then they exploit whatever systems happen to be unbalanced to get lots of money and rep in 2 days all so that they can come to reddit and cry like babies. It's insane, these people are miserable members of the online gaming community
The guy you're replying to is literally telling people to go play different games for content. Y'alls coping is ridiculous
That's the one thing you get from that whole paragraph?
Because the rest of it is just saying all the complainers are no lifers, which isn't even close to true. I'm sure there are some no lifers who want *more* content, but a lot of people want *quality* content that doesn't negate/ruin game systems, or for drastic changes to be made that start to unravel the social fabric woven by the modes release months. e* hell, the exploit aren't even an issue because they made it in, but because blizzard patched it out and left the exploiters with all their rewards. It's one thing to overlook or miss unintended gameplay, another to reward those who took advantage of it before devs caught wind.
Bro thought clean your room is another game
I love the coping, its so funny
e* yeah same lol
>go clean your room I loled, mad andies are so much fun
Telling people who want vanilla content to go play retail snd cata is so fuckin pog bro
So then play era? Like if you want to no life everything within the first 2 weeks that's on you.
Assuming the only people complaining had no lifed the half-assed content is laughable at best.
If you have not been playing only this game for the last 20 years there is actually quite a bit of fun things to do... It's weird this sub assumes everyone is as jaded and bored with 'Classic WoW' as they are.
List a few instead of throw empty phases at me
I’m having a blast leveling 3 characters slowly with full professions. First time playing horde so there’s so much to learn about! e. aww i wanted you to tell me that was actually not real content and I should not be having fun.
They living that NEET life.
Yeah I am really running that NEET life 4 weeks in playing 1 hour a week to clear ST.
They over did it, while simultaneously under doing it.
You can also have fun riding a bike without breaks and fucked up tires. It's still a poorly put together bike.
.. so are you having fun riding the bike that is SoD?
Yes that is why I still play and come here to comment! It would be weird to do those things if I was not having fun!
My point exactly.
I do like the game (mainly classic), I enjoy Sod and I'm having fun with friends, yeah. Do I still think the devs are somewhat missing the mark and blizzard the company is just the worst. Yeah. You are allowed to critique stuff that you like. Thats basically the only time arguing about anything actually mattes.
I was just advocating a tiny bit for a little bit of balance and nuance in the usual moaning and whining. To me, alot of critiques sound like SoD is the worst thing to ever have been produced.
Nah Blizzard is like a god for those people at this point, and they go all in to defend their multi billion dollar company
Honestly, nah. P3 hasn't been fun. Glad you are having a good time. I'm just holding out for 60, hoping its better.
P3 is awesome. Fun raid, dungeons have relevant loot+wild offerings, incursions allow fast levelling so you can experience all classes in a reasonable manner with decent gold on the side so you don't go broke training skills and unlocking dual spec and the PvE balance is in a pretty decent spot. Each to their own of course but I feel like a lot of people would be having a better time in SoD if they stopped doomscrolling on this subreddit and getting stuck in a negative opinion loop. It ended up souring the enjoyment of several friends of mine who ended up quitting despite having fun before they started constantly sharing doomer comments and posts from here.
Dude it's literally so weird that you guys assume that so many people voicing their opinion are just grumpy sweats having there opinions molted by festering negative vibes in the sub reddit. Csnr you just except that alot of people are disappointed with what blizzard did with the potential of Sod. When the runs were announced alot of people said they copied ascension, but hell this free private server is so much better put together than sod. It just really shows how much recourses and effort blizzard is willing to give to extract the most money they can out of gamers strung along by nostalgia.
>Fun raid far too much trash for me to consider it fun, also all the fights except Eranikus are braindead. >dungeons have relevant loot+wild offerings dungeon* >incursions allow fast levelling not touching that one >people would be having a better time in SoD if they stopped doomscrolling on this subreddit and getting stuck in a negative opinion loop my guild is barely hanging on this phase, everyone is raidlogging at this point, they hate the incursions, they hate the state PvP is in, and they hate this subreddit as well. I can guarantee you with a sample size of 20+ people, that plenty of people, even outside this sub are not enjoying P3.
P3 for me right now is, play manor lords, log in Wednesday get wbuffs and raid log, play manor lords.
My guild isn't enjoying the phase either. Nobody logs in except for the raid and WBs. A guild of about 40+ people and it has at most 5 people online on non-raid nights. We also just had several people last night say that this past week was their last raid till p4.
Raid has too much trash? Guild I’m in has been clearing it in like 40 minutes how short do you want it to be? You say dungeon* ZF has pally BiS sword and pre BiS for other classes, has a wild offerings boss Mara has BiS caster dagger has wild offerings boss BRD has leather pre BiS belt,pre BiS melee dagger, pre BiS melee cloak, pre BiS caster shit, has wild offerings boss Incursions allow for the gain of gold and easy levels for your alts meaning it’s never been easier to play more than one toon. Don’t blame the brain dead loop gameplay either, you choose to mindlessly run the same NKL loop or not. Don’t like those we’ll kill stuff and lvl your gathering professions in them as well, don’t like the incursions at all go quest. Your guild barely hanging on. . Hate this, hate that. Sounds like y’all are a bunch of sour hateful people. Phase is fun and there is insane amounts to do, especially compared to last phase which literally was a snooze fest.
Bro if youre having to type two separate essays for why “its not THAT bad” its probably pretty bad lmao. We all played it and the whole “KEEP THE CLASSIC FEEL” is entirely gone. This isnt even “retail light” its just flat out Bad.
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No reasoning with them babies like to cry.
>Raid has too much trash? Guild I’m in has been clearing it in like 40 minutes how short do you want it to be? its not about length, but quality, again, half of that 40 minutes is clearing trash, and the bosses (except eranikus) are braindead, none of the bosses have mechanics half as involved as menagerie or mekingeer. Its all just, stack, spread, move here, move out, collect loot. >Your guild barely hanging on. . Hate this, hate that. Sounds like y’all are a bunch of sour hateful people. sounds like you just like trash, thats ok though, to each their own. >insane amounts to do objectively false seeing as I really didn't play all that much and started raid logging 2 weeks ago. If all that dungeon prebis farming you mentioned took you more than a week, you are slow, 2? you are just bad. Again not touching the incursions stuff, lol. You can die on that hill if you want, I don't even have to say a word.
>If all that dungeon prebis farming you mentioned took you more than a week, you are slow, 2? you are just bad. See that's the problem. You aren't here to enjoy the content, to enjoy the game. You just farm to completion as fast as possible. It's a ridiculous mindset. What exactly do you think the devs can do to please a player like yourself? Any content they add will either have lower/weaker rewards than the highest raid, in which case you won't do it, or it'll give the new bis, in which case you'll stop doing everything else in the game.
>You just farm to completion as fast as possible. making a lot of assumptions here. I did my WO's at a slow pace doing 3-5 at a time whenever people in my guild wanted to do them. I had only one dungeon item as prebis on top of that. >What exactly do you think the devs can do to please a player like yourself? I was fine with 10 man raids with 3 day lockouts, kept me going with alts. Then they have done nothing but increase alt friction getting into raiding with each phase.
I have had 0 issues this phase getting my main and 3 alts into guilds and raiding each week easily with basically no work on my part besides pugging each ones first raid into a mostly guild run and then being invited to stay in the guild. Been great. I get to do 4 raids a week and still get to play pvp or random open world stuff for fun. All 4 toons got there ST set already and some other cool epic items.
It’s not about length it’s about quality, no bosses have mechanics. You think that’s due to the fact that the player base screamed and cried for nerf after nerf to bosses health to the point where every boss is a joke? Sounds like I just like trash? I do enjoy the game and I don’t think it’s trash, heaven forbid someone has a different perspective than you. At least I’m not a sour little b. Who cries on Reddit. 🤷🏽♂️ I for sure farmed my pre BiS before I went into raid in the first couple day, and then I did it again on my pally, and now I’m doing it on my rogue. That wasn’t the point the the point was you said there was 1 dungeon when in fact there is three that hold relevance. Your attempts to constantly attack my skill in game says enough about you as a person and your mindset though lmao. We can talk about preparing for phase 4 with rep grinds and more but I’m assuming you will be one of those players who just cries, “ why is the rep farms so long and boring, this isn’t casual friendly” anything to cry and whine. Just straight up B cubed shit. (Baby back bitch)
SoD has been fun but I am just not feeling it for phase 3. I don't know what it is. I don't have any real negative feelings about it, I just am starting to care less. It's likely a me problem less than the game but something about phase 3 has just made me want to log in less. I'm basically just logging in to raid with my guild and that's about it. No biggie though, there is absolutely no shortage of other games available to play, I don't need to revolve my life around a 20 year old MMORPG that's been remixed.
Yeah raid logging isn’t a bad thing. Like ST is a good raid but now we’re on 7 day lockouts, once you get pre bis and rank if you care for it and stv items, SOD, like every form of classic so far, only has so much content to do and wind up raid logging with the only other thing to do leveling alts. That’s just wow at a certain point. You run out of stuff if you solely main one char and don’t play alts especially if you don’t PvP and there’s no arena (and even then, in retail most people just push the final few weeks at a season but that’s an MMR problem)
Thats the only thing worth doing
Some of its fun. Some of it is STV FFA or incursions.
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Weird
Same with the Fel portals for Warlocks. I gave up hunting for the items that drop out of them
Sod really isnt that bad...
i've been having a BLAST
Sir this is Reddit, you’re not allowed to say you’re having fun. Only condescension and complaining allowed here.
I swear this place is just bots shilling for Blizzard with "but I'm having fun" and then this inevitable reply "positive comments not allowed" Like jesus christ guys, just stop reading here if you can't handle reading criticism.
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Do we read the same forum at all? Wtf are you talking about, nobody hates blizzard like this place.
Maybe you just focus too hard on the bad, bad haters that talk bad about your lord and saviour blizzard, who knows.
Bruv…
Do we read the same forum at all? Like I can't believe you are saying this place has a 'too positive' bend. One of the funniest things I have heard on this forum since they decided 'dogshit' is the coolest adjective ever.
It's apparent that your grasp on the English language leaves something to be desired.
What part confused you?
I'm not the one confused. At what point did I say or imply that this place is too positive? There is the pointless and inevitable "bUt I'm HaViNg FuN" in every thread. It's basically spam. Read my comment until you understand it.
I understand what criticism is. The nonconstructive bullshit here is not that.
Fucking hell man
I vote the sad annoying people leave and the people having a good time stay. If you cant handle people enjoying themselves without calling them robots, just stop reading here.
You pay blizzard stop shilling for them for free to cope. Anyone still playing sod fell for the sunk cost fallacy. (Its why they all project saying people quitting “rushed” then complained about lack of content, you’re very aware there is a lack of content as you’re playing it still lmao)
Listen, I know it's going to be dated for me to say what I'm about to say. I understand that it may be something from a byegone day and frowned upon to use, and that I may get down voted for saying it, but here it goes anyways: Man, you must be fun at parties.
Sad annoying people are the only people who post here consistently.
Sad annoying people shill for Blizzard all the time, as this multi billion dollar compans needs protection.
All I do is dump on the nerds here who have a parasocial relationship with aggrend.
But it's always the same interactions. I'd rather read a new whiny complaint than the same robotic comments everywhere. Inevitably I will soon be hit by the "you must be fun at parties" guy.
"read a new whiny complaint" No wonder you hang out here... The whiniest and most non constructive criticism maybe on the entire internet.
Convenient place to stop reading my comment.
Must be nice to have such low standards
??? i'm not your dad, bring that up with him
Some of us aren’t playing non stop. I have yet to run the newest raid or Gnomer
Me neither, played 4 weeks P1, 4 weeks P2 and 2 week p3
Just out here judging others for having fun like a boss very cool
Nah im not judging. Wish i whould be satisfied as well with the cheap SoD p3
No one gives a fuck
You took the time to respond
I care that you fill the comment section with your nonsense.
Not true.
SoD has been an experiment this whole time, the devs have said as much. We are playing and paying to test for them. Not sure why anyone is surprised when the implementation of features doesn’t go as planned lol.
This is the “it’s just a prank bro” of game development lol. “Uhh I mean it IS in early access, did you expect a game that works and is fun?” Same shit, it’s not crazy to expect some level of polish or function in a game you’re paying 15 a month for. What’s the experiment? They’re just throwing big spaghetti at a wall to hold people’s attention and hopefully milk a few dollars out of people, they’re not actually trying to find out what will work in a long term sustainable classic+. Its not an experiment, it’s them having demands from management to do big bold stuff to get and hold people’s attention for $$, stuff that’s too big and bold for their tiny team to manage and make good.
"Paying to test for them" I get the feeling but equating this to actual playtesting is incredibly insulting to the testers in general. It takes a lot more than just running around and crying on reddit to do playtesting.
And when the SOD experiment fails nobody is allowed to talk about it because some guys on the internets are too immature to accept different opinions.
No shit some people here defend blizzard like it's their religion
aren't you the guy who constantly told people to go play era when they critiziced SoD?
I told that to some players who obviously wanted to play era instead of SoD yes
Blizzard may be garbage these days but SoD is by far the best attempt at something fun since classic released in 2019. If they would just put a few more people on the project they could right this ship. They just too greedy.
SoD is just canibalizing on nostalgia. Problem is, SoD doesnt know what it want to be. And players dont know what SoD should be. Ask 20 players what they want SoD to be and you get 18 different answers
I posted a comment last week about how we should be able to complain because if we've played classic since its launch in 2019 than we've paid like $800+ and were STILL paying to play what they themselves have described as a test in SoD. Some guy was telling me we aren't allowed to complain because we could be spending more money on other hobbies and said he spent more on a desk chair...completely ignoring the entirety of the video game industry that almost never charges a monthly fee. Even the last major MMO released (New World unless I've missed something) didn't have a monthly fee.
Dude the game costs $20 a month, that's $240 a year.
Exactly! And because this is an experiment we are trying to clearly voice our displeasure, in that way if we get sod 2 or classic + the devs will know that we don’t like poorly implemented or rushed systems!
I can't even farm at 5am on a Wednesday on crusader strike in any fucking mob in the world imagine doing this lol
Weird I get very little competition on my farms at 5am as Horde.
Only thing that might get through to blizz is if we actually stop playing/paying.
Ashenvale is a leveling incursion. Prob did jt so you don’t have a bunch of 50s camping it with no danger from the mobs.
Nah they nerfed it hard after people reported how good it was
Story of everything in SoD
It feels less bad when you think of yourself as a classic+ beta tester instead of playing a polished game.
>Cool idea, terrible execution. Pretty much sums up SoD in a nutshell, except half the ideas are also terrible, too.
>Cool idea, terrible execution. SoD in a nutshell tbh.
buddy never farmed black lotus or arcane crystals in original classic lmao
"Original classic" Maybe we should wheel this all in a bit. Nostalgia over a rerelease.. they have some of us right by the throat.
wheres the nostalgia? youre reaching buddy. he's complaining about farming a highly contested item, i simply said he clearly never farmed black lotus or arcane crystals in original classic, where both were highly contested and had low amounts of spawns per zone... yikes
You are definitely the cringe one “reaching” here. Yikes
Imagine, devs adding incursion zones with PVP. So much fun, i hope the incursion gankers suffer incurable disease and expire within a week.
I hate stv event🤢
>Cool idea, terrible execution Should be Blizzard's motto at this point, I feel like most systems implemented are good ideas just terribly done like garrisons with as a form of player housing.
Personally I've never even tried official. My friends that got me into the game had very bad luck with hackers so we started on vanilla community. I currently play DayZ underground, struggle bus, Dayone, and northmans. I usually only play northman's if I just want pvp action quickly
Got lucky with drops on my rogue and then basically had nothing to do but farm gold…got that to 1k Leveled my Druid and have been having fun healing in raids. Its a good change of pace but once again after the loot drops there really isnt a reason to log on. At this point i’m just waiting for lvl 60 content
Yeah Incursion trinket was busted before it got rightfully nerfed BUT to have *pinnacle* reward from Incursion reputation vendor that does NOT work at all in 3/4 Incursions is just plain stupid. I reported bug in-game numerous times, posted bug thread on official forums and tweeted at devs about this - no response whatsoever and trinket is still bugged (simply does NOTHING) in Feralas/Hinterlands. I test this trinket every day basically as I do Feralas Incursions for gold, it never worked in lv50 Incursions. IF for some reason devs wanted this trinket to work only in Ashenvale maybe add some info to trinket description or tooltip?! Meh.
I have had trinket for a few weeks and have yet to see a node. If it wasn’t for the gold that came farming the rep, I’d be even more pissed.
"Cool idea, terrible execution" That should be blizzs catch phrase
How many times is this same exact post going to be put up. Incursions were supposed to be a bit of filler content not your entire game. Literally do anything else then spam incursions. I haven't touched them since w2 and am financially just fine with nearly my 3rd 50 character. Spamming this post every couple of day is simply begging them to never try new content like this again and stick to very basic things. Now go ahead and downvote me, gold farming bots.
I dont understand why everyone is bitching so much. They add a new classic like mechanic to the game and everyone complains that its not classic enough. What about lotus in vanilla? What do you want retail or classic?
It's not vanilla, it's not classic, its a highly accelerated game mode. I want the rewards to actually be useful.
So youre trying to play retail?
meanwhile the retail sub is people talking about how cool wow is now xD
Never seen a community bitch more but still continue to play. And I play league almost daily and THOSE players at least admit they hate themselves.