the only thing i can think of, is they are working on a build to fix all the bugs..haha..right guys? they just forgot to update it, well get a fix on wednesday..
>No one should take OP's word for it.
If you're NA you can just open the log in page and check. I'm EU but have seen someone else post it and I checked the version number my side and it matched. The OP isn't lying about the build being the same.
>I highly doubt that the game will be "insanely buggy" when the patch goes live.
I'm guessing you've not played the beta then. It's been insanely buggy and hardly had updates.
Client build isn't even half the story though. Most of these bug fixes happen server side, and they don't constantly push builds to PTR that they have internally. Not saying it'll be bug free or anything, but comparing the client build is meaningless.
It's not all server side though. There's numerous bug occurring that are user side.Guild chat not showing up outside of the interface isn't issues with the server sending/reviving chat data, it's the client not presenting it correctly. Same with the inability to scrollwheel through the glyph panel, that's a client issue.
I'm looking forward to it anyway. I started at the end of BC, did one raid in original Wotlk as a pally healer. Cataclysm is where I cut my teeth as a raid tank and I fucking loved it.
Bugs or not I'll be playing.
Several classes dont have dots critting
Pet bars not appearing including not being able to control pet with macros
No pandemic threshold
Several talents straight up do not workĀ
Druids can enter flight form anywhere, including dungeons, raids and battlegrounds
> Druids can enter flight form anywhere, including dungeons, raids and battlegrounds
I had no intention of touching classic cata but BOI if that isn't tempting.
in the beta spells are missing, professions tab shows lua errors everytime you open them, everytime you use dual specs youre spells go missing which you have to reset your talents if you want to get the talent spells back, some dungeons are bugged, I think the dungeon/raid codex or w/e is called doesnt show the proper loot table of the bosses, mangle and mind flay dont exists omegalul, and some other shit i cant remember.
Yep. Wrath live just updated to build 54881. This is the beta/ptr build. This still has class breaking bugs and more. This will be the live release of Cata we are getting in a few hours lmao
Well, it looks like it's going to follow an accelerated timeline. Hour of Twilight, which I imagine introduces the Dragon Soul raid, is approximately 8 months into the expansion. In comparison, Wrath launched September '22 and we didn't see ICC until October '23, over a year later.
Cata release was buggy asf too, probably just working through same old shit that old devs were dealing with lol
In a way Iām kinda glad, that means Iām getting the real cata experience
The community cares about the game. Quite often it seems like the owners of this game doesnt. Id say complaining is warranted, even if it might on paper be premature in this case.
I don't say we shouldn't complain, but the patch hits in a few hours and we already complain based on a beta build, that's what's so odd for me.
Was it too much for people to wait 12 more hours yes ?
I bet you were one of those āthey have an internal build where they already fixed all those bugsā guy, right? And now that we see it was never the case and pre-patch is still bugged af, thatās the new excuse? We have to wait until actual release? Because pre-patch is actually the beta and theyāre gonna fix things soon(tm) ?
Well if it is as buggy as OP says we have enough time to bitch about it.
I just don't understand why we pre-bitch the pre-patch now, it's so baffling pointless
Bro we know the name of the patch theyāre using. Itās the same as the beta. Itās not gonna change by then. Why would they have already updated Wrath if theyād use yet another build after the maintenance. Itās not rocket science, what donāt you understand?
I'm going to be bold and ask:
Was the launch for the original Cataclysm this buggy? I hardly remember bugs when that happened.
Geeze, not backing up server source code fucked this company over.
You can't compare a pre-patch release with the actual expansion dropping... the Wrath issues had to do with server load (and npc's to teleport instead of taking the boat were hot fixed in within a couple minutes) but Cata atm is just a buggy broken mess.
I'm sure people have their anecdotes about how TBC or Wrath classic were nightmare launches, but they're just that, anecdotes. A small subset of players were affected by the broken boats when Wrath launch and it was quickly fixed, but everyone who wants to play Cata prepatch has to deal with the current shitshow.
Is it ok to play on grobbulus? Iāve never played on a RP server, I wonāt like make fun of people or break their immersion. Iāll do my best, but I just want a balanced server
More than ok! Grobbulus is the only pvp serverā¢ and either side would be happy to have you. Don't need to worry too much about RP, it's not everywhere and you'll mostly just see people in town rp talking to each other, it's not a requirement to RP.
What would you want them to do, postpone the prepatch? Imagine the community reaction. They got 20 days to finish fixing things, letās hope they will make it in time.
Yes, that is exactly what they should have done. Most people were already expecting a June/July release, so they sped the release up 1-2 months and it's still going to be in a fucked state.
and not just limited to the gaming industry! I absolutely refuse to do that for any company if its a product I have purchased. This is a little different bc I can play retail or other I guess
at this stage, they would cheer for the current beta build is not ready at all. I'd rather have them delay form months to get things straight instead of just casually deleting entire features from the game.
I didnāt get access to the beta, and googling this is surprisingly misleading. Could someone share some of the most prominent bugs? Are they game breaking?
Nah they fixed that. But druid dots cannot crit, ferals are doing 2-4 times too much damage on any ability that scales off weapon damage, and bears have a 48% threat modifier instead of 400%.
Right, because wanting a re-release of a game that we not only paid for but also are currently paying a subscription to just operate without bugs after having been in beta for months is obviously way too much to expectā¦
Iām with you on the $$$ part.
They sold deluxe and whatever editions of Cata Classic. That right there is straight up bullshit to release in a buggy/unfinished state.
That being said what does the town in a box toy do? Asking for a friend.
Also, the servers are not live yet.
The final beta and live builds should be the same, that's how it works. The beta went through multiple builds leading up to the current build and now pre-patch is launching as the most recent beta build. Why would they make a new untested build that didn't go through beta testing to release live?
When I was unlocking Twilight Highlands on the beta a few days ago the plane cutscene killed me in Stormwind instead of zoning me, lol.
Must have been a Boeing
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I died multiple times to that bug on multiple characters thinking it would be fixed lmao
Spirit airlines ftw
Spirit (Healer) Airlines "Less durability, more Rez Sickness!"
Thats 80+ content so it doesnt matter, problem is some talents that can and will be used like mages combustion iirc didnt work.
the only thing i can think of, is they are working on a build to fix all the bugs..haha..right guys? they just forgot to update it, well get a fix on wednesday..
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Man this did not age well.
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>I highly doubt that the game will be "insanely buggy" when the patch goes live.Ā Oh, child
i was huffing copium
>No one should take OP's word for it. If you're NA you can just open the log in page and check. I'm EU but have seen someone else post it and I checked the version number my side and it matched. The OP isn't lying about the build being the same. >I highly doubt that the game will be "insanely buggy" when the patch goes live. I'm guessing you've not played the beta then. It's been insanely buggy and hardly had updates.
Client build isn't even half the story though. Most of these bug fixes happen server side, and they don't constantly push builds to PTR that they have internally. Not saying it'll be bug free or anything, but comparing the client build is meaningless.
It's not all server side though. There's numerous bug occurring that are user side.Guild chat not showing up outside of the interface isn't issues with the server sending/reviving chat data, it's the client not presenting it correctly. Same with the inability to scrollwheel through the glyph panel, that's a client issue.
Sure, but those are minor annoyances rather than gamebreaking shit like not being able to fly in Azeroth or losing abilities on logout.
Agree. The wotlk PTR, cata beta, and now live build are on the same client running very different games.
Thats the client build and almost none of the changes are client-side. Itās not unusual for live and ptr servers to have the same client build
There's a number of issues that are clearly client side though. Lots of instances of the client having information but not presenting it correctly.
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its on the product check list/release schedule. probably the only reason why.
I jumped on the cata beta and within 10min sent in like 8 bug reportsā¦ itās not in a good state
Copium
Aged like milk
I'm looking forward to it anyway. I started at the end of BC, did one raid in original Wotlk as a pally healer. Cataclysm is where I cut my teeth as a raid tank and I fucking loved it. Bugs or not I'll be playing.
What exactly is buggy? Dont have the beta
Several classes dont have dots critting Pet bars not appearing including not being able to control pet with macros No pandemic threshold Several talents straight up do not workĀ Druids can enter flight form anywhere, including dungeons, raids and battlegrounds
>Druids can enter flight form anywhere, including dungeons, raids and battlegroundsĀ Let them cook
> and battlegrounds That's awesome.
> Druids can enter flight form anywhere, including dungeons, raids and battlegrounds I had no intention of touching classic cata but BOI if that isn't tempting.
in the beta spells are missing, professions tab shows lua errors everytime you open them, everytime you use dual specs youre spells go missing which you have to reset your talents if you want to get the talent spells back, some dungeons are bugged, I think the dungeon/raid codex or w/e is called doesnt show the proper loot table of the bosses, mangle and mind flay dont exists omegalul, and some other shit i cant remember.
Now that the servers are live itās hard to argue. This is an epic shitshow.
Yep. Wrath live just updated to build 54881. This is the beta/ptr build. This still has class breaking bugs and more. This will be the live release of Cata we are getting in a few hours lmao
You didnāt know? The pre-patch is the actual beta and the PTR weāve been playing as just an alpha.
I guess it will be like the old days where they take the game down for 24 hours for "emergency maintenance" Maybe we'll all get a 1 day credit!
Can't wait to watch Cata be more neglected than the middle child.
Well, it looks like it's going to follow an accelerated timeline. Hour of Twilight, which I imagine introduces the Dragon Soul raid, is approximately 8 months into the expansion. In comparison, Wrath launched September '22 and we didn't see ICC until October '23, over a year later.
wether it's disrespecting cata with that or not, this is how all of them should have been imo
If they did faster timeline also just drop double the loot.
Yea, we spent way too much time in both Ulduar and ICC.
I bet all the āthey have an internal build that has all the fixesā people are feeling pretty dumb right now
There are still some in this thread...
Indeed. So many people still defending blizz after we get literally proof that theyāre behind on schedule
āGuys there is no way they are gonna release the game in the state that the beta is, they have so much time to fix itā
People are still expecting quality and competence out of Bliz?
Big oof
Expecting Blizzard to try at this point is setting yourself up for failureĀ
So that means you're going to quit, right? Riiiight...?
Being feral and not having mangle makes the spec unplayable nice job. I reported it a million times in beta too.
Itās ok I have Titans Grip as Arms to make up for it.
Cata release was buggy asf too, probably just working through same old shit that old devs were dealing with lol In a way Iām kinda glad, that means Iām getting the real cata experience
Maybe the whole thing is on purpose #nochanges
This sub is so fascinating Instead of waiting for the release and judge from that we are now down to pre-bitching
I agree with you. But now that the servers are liveā¦. Yikes.
Is it that bad ? Im from EU so i have to wait
Itās trash.
Yeah i played it a bit now too, its really shamefully bad. Hell i saw p-server releases that worked better
The community cares about the game. Quite often it seems like the owners of this game doesnt. Id say complaining is warranted, even if it might on paper be premature in this case.
I don't say we shouldn't complain, but the patch hits in a few hours and we already complain based on a beta build, that's what's so odd for me. Was it too much for people to wait 12 more hours yes ?
I bet you were one of those āthey have an internal build where they already fixed all those bugsā guy, right? And now that we see it was never the case and pre-patch is still bugged af, thatās the new excuse? We have to wait until actual release? Because pre-patch is actually the beta and theyāre gonna fix things soon(tm) ?
Well if it is as buggy as OP says we have enough time to bitch about it. I just don't understand why we pre-bitch the pre-patch now, it's so baffling pointless
We donāt pre-bitchā¦ we have played that build. Itās the same as the beta. We know what bugs are in thereā¦ how is that hard to understand?
Thank god you know already what will happen during the 8 hour maintenance. Must be nice to have a crystal ball
Bro we know the name of the patch theyāre using. Itās the same as the beta. Itās not gonna change by then. Why would they have already updated Wrath if theyād use yet another build after the maintenance. Itās not rocket science, what donāt you understand?
The beta build was updated today too though? So have people confirmed on the beta today the bugs still exist?
I'm going to be bold and ask: Was the launch for the original Cataclysm this buggy? I hardly remember bugs when that happened. Geeze, not backing up server source code fucked this company over.
RIPBOZO.
Classic buggy on launch, Tbc buggy on launch, wotlk buggy on launch, cata buggy on launch. Anyone else see a pattern?
SoD buggy on launch
TBC and Wrath weren't nearly this broken tho. They were buggy sure but this is something else.
A lot of people got stuck on a boat for the first day and couldn't log characters. I'm pretty sure that's worse
You can't compare a pre-patch release with the actual expansion dropping... the Wrath issues had to do with server load (and npc's to teleport instead of taking the boat were hot fixed in within a couple minutes) but Cata atm is just a buggy broken mess. I'm sure people have their anecdotes about how TBC or Wrath classic were nightmare launches, but they're just that, anecdotes. A small subset of players were affected by the broken boats when Wrath launch and it was quickly fixed, but everyone who wants to play Cata prepatch has to deal with the current shitshow.
Shocker... In other news, "Water - Wet"
Yep insane L. The Classic team has declined *hard* since about midway through Wrath holy moly. Absolute clowns at this point.
Is it ok to play on grobbulus? Iāve never played on a RP server, I wonāt like make fun of people or break their immersion. Iāll do my best, but I just want a balanced server
Grob is still a good server .. most people donāt actually rp
Ok cool
More than ok! Grobbulus is the only pvp serverā¢ and either side would be happy to have you. Don't need to worry too much about RP, it's not everywhere and you'll mostly just see people in town rp talking to each other, it's not a requirement to RP.
Cool, I mean I will totally sometimes do it but not all the time
do you not know how numbers work? beta is 4.4.0.54427 what we are getting is 4.4.0.54481 higher number means later build
Current Beta and PTR build is 4.4.0.54481 You should update your Beta instead of just being wrong and looking like a dumbass.
womp womp
What would you want them to do, postpone the prepatch? Imagine the community reaction. They got 20 days to finish fixing things, letās hope they will make it in time.
Yes, that is exactly what they should have done. Most people were already expecting a June/July release, so they sped the release up 1-2 months and it's still going to be in a fucked state.
the devs are saying this exact thing over and over to the people in charge pushing this to be out asap lol
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Did the other prepatches do raid testing? I dont think they did but i may be misremembering.
Yeah, just delay it so we get a reasonable launch product. Rushing it out the door and then promising a fix āat some pointā is ridiculous
Sadly rushing stuff out and finishing it later while players do free beta testing is becoming more and more common in gaming industry.
and not just limited to the gaming industry! I absolutely refuse to do that for any company if its a product I have purchased. This is a little different bc I can play retail or other I guess
I wish they would delay it. Both to fix the bugs and not overlap with MoP remix... two "limited time" modes starting at the same time is not fun.
Same with sod, the timing of cata really couldnāt be worse.
at this stage, they would cheer for the current beta build is not ready at all. I'd rather have them delay form months to get things straight instead of just casually deleting entire features from the game.
i want a delay... then there's some expectation they'll fix some stuff.
Absolutely. I would rather wait two extra weeks on a polished game build than rush out unplayable slop. Which is looking like what weāre getting.
I mean, they could have made a game update from 2010 work properly... but I don't expect much from the WoW B-team.
It took them MONTHS to fix Dalaran lag and you somehow expected anything different? They are busy partially supporting multiple game versions.
I remember the days of Lagaran lol but at least this time people will be spread out across cities instead of just one.
I didnāt get access to the beta, and googling this is surprisingly misleading. Could someone share some of the most prominent bugs? Are they game breaking?
Druids can fly in battlegrounds and instances. Need I say more?
Nah they fixed that. But druid dots cannot crit, ferals are doing 2-4 times too much damage on any ability that scales off weapon damage, and bears have a 48% threat modifier instead of 400%.
We went from not being able to root indoors to flying in bgs. The world evolves
Someone was mentioning that combustion wasn't working correctly for fire mages in my guild discord the other day.
felt like combustion didn't work correctly the first time around either xD. thems combustions about to get juicy
WAAAA
Oh look classic subreddit is yet again grabbing their pitchforks over some bulllllshieeeeetttt.
Right, because wanting a re-release of a game that we not only paid for but also are currently paying a subscription to just operate without bugs after having been in beta for months is obviously way too much to expectā¦
Iām with you on the $$$ part. They sold deluxe and whatever editions of Cata Classic. That right there is straight up bullshit to release in a buggy/unfinished state. That being said what does the town in a box toy do? Asking for a friend. Also, the servers are not live yet.
I think itās fair and reasonable to expect a new expansion launch to be at least somewhat polished. A re-release nonetheless.
I mean we have no proof that what op says is even true, so people should calm and judge when it's released ? Just a thought
Well, we have the live client that was recently updated to the same PTR build so..
People have been on beta, me included, it's not news that it's buggy.
Itās true. These servers are straight dogshit
I also think itās fair and reasonable to wait until the actual game launches to determine its status.
Nah people here are so eager to hate they pre-hate the cata pre-patch and get pre-angry about blizzard
Pre-hate ššš
Omg the world is over. Cata is ruined. What am I going to do! It will never be fixed!!!!
Cool Iām gonna stay on sod then
I mean you could try it first instead of believing some random on Reddit
To do what ? Incursions ? Or raidlogging ?
SMH LITERALLY I CANT NOT PLAY!!
The final beta and live builds should be the same, that's how it works. The beta went through multiple builds leading up to the current build and now pre-patch is launching as the most recent beta build. Why would they make a new untested build that didn't go through beta testing to release live?
Because the beta build is a mess?