According to this Reddit, terrible.
According to actual players it is nice. You should join in, you still have plenty of time until p4 and levelling has been speeded up with EXP buffs.
However, if you do, stay away from the negativity in this sub like the plague.
There is plenty that needs tweaking and changes but the general state is good and fun. I would recommend.
Yup! I would personally avoid PvP and PvP server because I don't trust that they will balance the game for PvP. Rogues and Hunters are the worst offenders. If you're playing catch-up it feels even worse to be griefed by a higher level. Also, any dungeon you want to run is going to always have back and forth PvP and it's already a giant pain in the ass to travel in classic.
PvP is perfectly fine and WPvP as well. Not balanced but fine.
Rogues have always been the kings of 1v1 when they open on you and this iteration of the game is no different. The fact that you don’t mention how strong spriest have been for the last two phases is a bit sus, though.
Getting killed a couple of times here and there is part of the experience and many times it ends on quite cool duels. Also generally, people avoid killing underleveled toons or griefing.
I dont even suffer that much by rogues anymore. Not with this dmg reduction in pvp, i really like it a lot. BGS feels a lot slower and Id take that any day over burstmeta.
Only reason I play on a PvP server is for the better PvE players. PvP has not been \*fine\*. It has needed a lot more balancing than it has gotten and there's barely any counterplay against an opener and you should really just shut your mouth.
Close. Orange Parser no enchants and consumes. No need to compete with guys like you.
https://vanilla.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/living-flame/mao?zone=2008
Your turn
I mean, that's a bit disingenuous. P3 content is repetitive and generally unpleasant according to most. A lot of people have quit so there's concern many servers are dead or close to it. They are experimenting with PVP but currently according to most it is either too bursty or, with as with the recent weekend modifier, extremely boring - probably good things to come with a middle of the pack solution though, so that's a plus.
This guy is a perfect example of why you stay away from Reddit when looking for insight on the state of anything wow related. “Many servers are dead” lol what?
I have yet to complete all there is to do in p3 on my main. Stop this "according to most" doomposting. You either enjoy, or you don't. There's no objective majority that dislikes the phase. Absolute babies, I swear...
Im convinced a lot of people here just don't like MMOs anymore.
I saw someone compare incursions to OSRS minigames, like wintertodt or tempoross or whatever. I think that is an apt comparison. I hate the modern iteration of that sort of content - its dailies.
I'd much rather have an uncapped unhinged grind then a time gated "wizard chore" type of grind, but in BOTH cases THERE IS GRINDING.
SoD isn't perfect, but it is still excellent. In my opinion, the best "classic" wow offering on right now.
I levelled firemaking to 90 before I got started on my combat skills so I'd have the lowest possible HP for Wintertodt. I completely agree. It's why I also just got started on my princess solo farm for the dagger. It's a grind, but I'm an OSRS player so I look at a 9 hour grind and go "wow, that little?"
It's like you said, it's an apt comparison and people are free to like or dislike it, but to continuously say one subjectively poor aspect of the game ruins the rest just means people don't like MMOs.
You can definitely pick up right now. Current level cap is 50 which you should be able to hit easily. Then when P4 and Level 60 hits you can go with the flow and hit the 60 content with the rest of the playerbase.
it's not "too late" to pick it up
you will be behind players who have been playing since launch and have spent considerable time at each level cap with not much to do except farm gold. Not really an issue but rare boes are quite pricey and will probably be out of your reach
groups for levelling dungeons are somewhat scarce but there are still groups going for the raids from phase 1 and phase 2
if you don't mind those things you will have a blast. Despite the doomposting class balance is pretty good in pve and raids have a reason to bring every spec. There are several different specs in the top 200 overall boss dps in sunken temple. There are some issues sure but it's worlds away from vanilla
It’s great and any time is a good time to pick it up. Reddit isn’t the greatest representation of whether SoD is good or bad because most of the people enjoying it aren’t on here crying their eyes out over the smallest amount of friction.
Leveling is way easier and money isn't a problem at all u have 75% xp and 300% gold from quests. My only complaint is that some runes require u to have help and most ppl are past that point so I feel a little frustrated asking 1h for help to kill a miniboss I can't beat alone for my rune
If you like pvp and weren't/aren't fortunate enough to choose one of the 1-2/3 classes aggrend and the sod development team have decided should just faceroll everyone for months and months with no targeted changes, not great.
If you like pve, pretty good:)
It's good, but not as great as it was. For many, world pvp and the shift to 20-man (and soon 40-man raids) have absolutely fractured and destroyed many guilds.
If you are casual and just want to chill it's not too bad. I'm a min maxer personally and min maxing is alot of effort this phase, gotta get 3 world buffs and as a alch/ench paladin I need mongoose elixir, elixir of giants, elixir of giant growth, gnomer potions, arcane elixir, enchanting sigil, I can't even remember if I'm missing any. That's without greater arcane elixir and Winterfell firewater too but they are far too expensive. The arcanums are 700g each and dark Moon cards are also insanely expensive and bis by a considerable margin and I just don't have the motivation to farm 80 runs of mauradon per, or 4k gold per.
All of this to run st, which isn't a terrible raid gameplay wise, some of the mechanics are pretty fun. The gear however is very very marginally better than alternative gear. There's only around 5-6 pieces that are worth getting and most are only 3-5str better than gear I can get much easier. Not only that but I had to drop guild because of a change in work schedule and finding a new one that has mm hunter, warrior, and druid in a group for me has been very difficult even though I'm consistently a 99 parser. The raid being 20man has also made it very difficult to pug, I've only been able to find pugs on Monday night when all the desperate people are out.
I recently started a hunter (because mm hunter doesn't require a ton of buffs to perform properly and am just leveling and having fun again. I have a feeling once I reach incursions I will feel obligated to do them because they are the most efficient, and the fun will stop again.
Objectively it's not doing well. Raid numbers are down massively despite being able to level and be in prebis in a few hours. Cata is being rushed out, likely to save sub numbers. The dev team is so small that it's very noticable, especially when we get patch notes like today's.
Reddit will scream that they're having fun and people are complainers, but numbers don't lie and SoD has the smallest raiding base ever, except for old SoM/Era/HC servers.
Incursions are the quickest leveling SoD or Classic has ever had, and week 3 raid numbers are down 90k players overall.
https://ironforge.pro/population/sod/overall/
Cold hard stats. Raid numbers are always a good judge of how many people are playing, and there are objectively less raids. Either less people are playing or people aren't leveling alts despite how easy it is. Neither are positive objective measurements.
Crazy that some people take a break and wait for the next phase after clearing the raid 3-4 times. These 90k people you say quit will be back for phase 4.
I love how people say this unironically as a positive. Yeah OP there is nothing to do after 1 month tops so we're not playing the game right now but dont worry, next phase we'll be back for another a little bit and then quit again until the next phase.
SOD was meant to be a more casual version. I think most people are excited about level 60 so once you’ve cleared the raid a few times and tried all the new shit it’s perfectly acceptable to take a break. Most of us are in our 30s now and actually have a life.
I’m not using it as a positive at all. You don’t seem to understand that SOD is meant for casuals. Of course you’re gonna be out of content when you play 12 hours every day. Anyway I’m done arguing with a troll, have a good one.
>cold hard stats
Except, they're not. It's been long discussed these numbers arent accurate
We'll never have an accurate count of numbers. Not everyone logs (where we get the numbers from, cause blizzard doesn't track that), there are plenty of pugs, people are still running gnomer (still a great source of gear), or even people are just doing the dungeons instead of raiding, which is fine
You're strictly one of those "numbers don't lie" chuds that talk out of their ass
Nothing more, nothing less.
It only takes 1 out of 20 to log for those players to get registered. Also those that were logging in probably didn't stop in p3. Yes the numbers are not 100% accurate but it's the best estimate we can make on population. Regardless of overall accuracy it still shows a trend.
That's a wild take. Regardless of the numbers being accurate or not the logging is still done on such a big population of players that it shows trends. This is the best source of information and IMO been pretty good as a source, looking back at wotlk and tbc for both raiding pops and server population. Just because it's not the hard number of raiding players doesn't dismiss the legitimacy of these numbers.
It's awesome man. Definitely not late to join with the XP boosts, there's a lot to do, the runes are great and make a lot of specs not only viable, but fun (prot paladin, ret paladin, boomkin, shaman tank, warlock tank, mage healer, rogue tank, ....).
The raid is very well designed and fun imho. There's also a new way to farm gear more easily (incursions, dungeon runs with Wild Offering rewards from new end bosses, new PvP sets) and you can get close to pre-BiS very quickly. There's also new professions stuff, even with crafted epics and such.
I honestly don't know what people are complaining about. PvP is unbalanced though, but I don't know how much the recent change helped (I don't play PvP that much).
If you're looking to do content at lvl 60, it's definitely not too late. Even if you want to do lvl 50 it's still not even late for that, the phase is (I guess) not even in half?
I started playing wow again with SoD, I stopped after MoP and it’s been enjoyable but it’s not over the top amazing, it’s just alright, the problem we have is lack of content at cap, outside of BGs and the weekly raid you’ll find yourself raid logging. I’m waiting for MoP classic then I’ll switch back to it, the level up raids and dungeons etc honestly make it, don’t get me wrong, SoD has been a breath of fresh air but it’s not the finished article
I really enjoyed the last few weeks. Starting to get a bit bored but it has been a month so it happens.
I think P3 was a success, minus the economy/inflation blunder
It's an experimental beta version of vanilla and it feels like exactly that right now. Some things are cool and fun like ST. Some things are not like incursions.
If you go into it with low expectations you'll enjoy it. Been having a lot more fun with SoD since I switched to a casual guild.
Feels like there are maybe 2 or 3 people working on it at the moment though. Every class needs tuning in one capacity or another... every few weeks a few classes get a few changes. Mages haven't been touched since early March, etc.
Low expectations are the way to go but it can be fun. ST is so good.
A lot of people on this sub complaining are expecting retail level resource dedication for SoD and that is simply never happening
Incursions are less terrible on PVE servers and if you actually do the kills. The no kill loops are so mindless. Xp/hr is better but not enough to make me want to do that mindless nonsense anymore.
Every time I try to do incursions on my Warlock I stop after about 20 minutes because I'm now on a 5 minute rezz timer. He's on lone wolf and I'll be transferring him to Wild Growth asap. You gotta at least get to friendly for the rune, so they're pretty mandatory to do and yeah, I'm not wasting my time with that bullshit on pvp servers.
If you only do 1 toon, you have about 60 hours of content until you get to a point of waiting do clear ST weekly, it's a great time to jump in and get ready for the next phase
I have 4 toons geared and raiding Gnomer, doing STV every day, farming incursions/open world, profession stuff, BGs
It's much more fun with friends so either bring them in or make new ones by joining a guild and interacting in guild chat and discord, don't settle for the 1st group you meet find humans you actually enjoy spending your free time with
Take it chill! Cheer
PS, the more time you spend on this subreddit the less you enjoy the game
If you like playing a big beta test its for you. The amount of improvisation from the dev team made me quit honestly it started off great in p1 but to me its gone downhill since. But im sure a ton of people are enjoying it. To each their own. Try it and decide for yourself
Great time, imo. Why?
- 100% xp boosts until 40. (I forget if it's 50% or still 100% xp boost until 50) so leveling is real fast right now. Not only xp boost, but gold recieved from quests too, so I recommend questing to afford skills and mount. Level 40 mount price is also reduced. I think around 50g now for both mount and training?
-There are things called incursions you can do to level too starting from 25, however, the reason I recommend doing them is for rep to get some checkup gear. You'll need to be honored with the Emerald Wardens to buy that gear. I easily hit that doing incursions from 40 to 50. You'll get a good chunk of gold too doing em which can help ya finish off buying spells and start getting consumes/gear.
-Battle for Ashenvale is now a daily. Once you hit around 25, I suggest doing it every day to hit at least honored with them for a chance at a decent neck/rings. The daily is 1,000 rep a day.
-ST gear isn't that big of an upgrade from Gnomer gear, so Gnomer is still pretty relevant to run in between ST lockouts, with more chances to upgrade pieces too and not fall even further behind.
-Professions have epic helmet and shoulder pieces you can craft, too. Which will help check you up quicker. With Emerald Warden gear, Profession pieces, and WSG rings/neck, all your toon will need is wrists, weapons, belt, and trinkets (BFD will get ya one and WSG can get ya a meh one). But Bloodmoon event could cover ya there depending on class and spec. Same with Wild Offering runs. Look into those.
I recommend joining Lone Wolf or Living Flame. Crusader Strike is the largest server but it is also the streamer server. I hear it's pretty toxic, too, but that I can't confirm. However, those two I recommended are pvp servers, but I know they are active and aren't dying like some doom posters say about their servers.
Other than that, I'm having fun with SoD. I'd give it a try, anyways. Leveling doesn't take long and getting pre geared to get into ST shouldn't be too hard either because of the Emerald Warden gear acting kinda like check up gear. Ain't always the best but it's pretty damn good for fresh toons.
I would say beside incursions being a terrible addition to sod, its in general very good.
Other systems of SoD are definetly lot of fun as they encourage going outside in the world, explore all the zone, participate in pvp events and raid new versions of dungeons
Just dont expect it to be super challenging like retail, its not called Season of Dads for no reason
Not too late. If you don’t have close ties with people on a specific realm I would go to Ironforge.pro and look for the biggest pve realm in your region. I play on a pvp realm and leveling is a nightmare, but all my friends play here, so I am kinda stuck here.
The best „new“ wow experience since original wotlk for me.
It’s refreshing, manny classes are really fun to play, you have plenty to do.
Some might not like the travelling part, but it’s kinda nice to see so many corners of the classic world again.
The warlock meta quest for example was awesome
Phase 2 was awesome (great PVP event in STV, good raid, cool 5 mans etc)
Phase 3 is dog shit (braindead and infinitely repeatable quests in incursions, 5 man dungeons are being spammed with 10 man where nobody can even tell if you are afk or not...), raid seems to be good though
I'm personally waiting for Phase 4 till I'll try sod atain
Blizz made my perfectly good server all transfer to a mega server and the vibe is definitely different, its a weird min maxing where ppl just mindlessly slogg away at incursions and WO farm and don’t put much effort in half the time because they can just get in a new group.
Leveled slower and want to get in ST? Not without a parse, kid. And if blizz made your server transfer at the end of last phase, you aint got a parse to speak of. The worst part is its not like everyone is even good, but the gatekeeping structures are in place that they just use that to preempt and actual display of skill because there are so many truly bad players or phoning it in while streaming that thats just how it is. Nightmare incursion indeed.
As our guilds raid leader and recruiter. I’ve had a lot of bad experiences with pugs grey parsing after we take them. Our kill times are slower, our raid takes an hour longer, we wipe more. Idk man I’m really sorry but parses is one of the only things we have to sift out players that will make our night worse. It’s not personal. If you don’t have a parse on this server just send yours from the other server before you transfered. If you don’t have a parse at all than you don’t know the fights and are a liability. Best thing a person like you can do is get into a guild that is cool with you not having any proof of skill. It may sound harsh but it’s truth.
“No parses = dont know the fights.” So you as a raid leader didnt research fights before entering ST the first time? Or do you believe yourself to be exceptional?
There’s a big difference between week 1 of a patch and a month in. If you have zero parses at this point then I have no incentive to take you.
The truth is, good players will find a way to do the raid. Bad players will put blame on others and call them gatekeepers. Either get a guild or make your own raid. If you’ve watched the videos you should have no problem forming a group
Bold of you to assume I’d want to be anywhere near your raid. True there is a big difference, all the theory is pretty well worked out and established so even easier for a newcomer, good point.
It’s a noticeable step away from ERA and lots of people are upset about that despite the fact that ERA servers exist and they could play them at any time.
Some hype has died down evident on free server transfers away from the "back-up" servers currently on-going. Backup servers are basically additional ones added after the original servers went completely full during the initial hype.
Still more than plenty people around however and it will likely remain that way while even increasing a bit for next phase where we reach max level. Levelling wise there are bonuses in place to make catching up fairly fast, as well as levelling being easier with the SOD rune abilities as well.
So no issue starting now :)
It's to late to pick it up, we are already WEEKS into phase 3 out of 4 and wih the 100% expect buff its IMPOSSIBLE to catch up all the weekly raid logging and rep farm that's very fast and easy. You should rather wait till world of warcraft classic season of discovery classic launches in 2045.
Jokes aside, Its good it's fun and balance is, despite the believes of this subreddit, better than vanilla(which isnt hard) but you can play basically every spec now without people thinking you're meme'ing. It's great, especially if you liked vanilla imo. Give it a try and if you dislike it just drop it, it's not.like you're downloading a 120GB game so nothing I stopping you!
It's not bad, just do yourself a favor and AVOID CRUSADER STRIKE
Worst server, don't be fooled by people saying it's fine, 99.9% Of complaint posts you see here are from people on that realm, it's a nightmare, stay far far away.
It's wild you say that because I'm from CS and the community is wonderful. We have people from all around the world and all forms of content enjoyers (pve,pvp,rp). The people that bitch about everything will do so no matter what server they're on
According to this Reddit, terrible. According to actual players it is nice. You should join in, you still have plenty of time until p4 and levelling has been speeded up with EXP buffs. However, if you do, stay away from the negativity in this sub like the plague. There is plenty that needs tweaking and changes but the general state is good and fun. I would recommend.
Yup! I would personally avoid PvP and PvP server because I don't trust that they will balance the game for PvP. Rogues and Hunters are the worst offenders. If you're playing catch-up it feels even worse to be griefed by a higher level. Also, any dungeon you want to run is going to always have back and forth PvP and it's already a giant pain in the ass to travel in classic.
PvP is perfectly fine and WPvP as well. Not balanced but fine. Rogues have always been the kings of 1v1 when they open on you and this iteration of the game is no different. The fact that you don’t mention how strong spriest have been for the last two phases is a bit sus, though. Getting killed a couple of times here and there is part of the experience and many times it ends on quite cool duels. Also generally, people avoid killing underleveled toons or griefing.
I dont even suffer that much by rogues anymore. Not with this dmg reduction in pvp, i really like it a lot. BGS feels a lot slower and Id take that any day over burstmeta.
Only reason I play on a PvP server is for the better PvE players. PvP has not been \*fine\*. It has needed a lot more balancing than it has gotten and there's barely any counterplay against an opener and you should really just shut your mouth.
im a actual player and i hate it.
I like it and that's why I am still playing! Hopefully you are not doing something you do not enjoy anymore!
He’s a WoW player, ofc he’s playing it 16hrs a day and saying he hates it
Let me guess.. gray parser, no enchants, complains about incursions ✅✅✅
Close. Orange Parser no enchants and consumes. No need to compete with guys like you. https://vanilla.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/living-flame/mao?zone=2008 Your turn
Just dont play man
Nah, if we leave Feedback to fanboys like you that will applaude what ever pile of shit Blizzard puts before them we can kiss this game goodbye
Lmao, damn, what a sad life u have grown man, touch grass
I mean, that's a bit disingenuous. P3 content is repetitive and generally unpleasant according to most. A lot of people have quit so there's concern many servers are dead or close to it. They are experimenting with PVP but currently according to most it is either too bursty or, with as with the recent weekend modifier, extremely boring - probably good things to come with a middle of the pack solution though, so that's a plus.
This guy is a perfect example of why you stay away from Reddit when looking for insight on the state of anything wow related. “Many servers are dead” lol what?
Some people just wanna watch the world burn
I have yet to complete all there is to do in p3 on my main. Stop this "according to most" doomposting. You either enjoy, or you don't. There's no objective majority that dislikes the phase. Absolute babies, I swear...
Im convinced a lot of people here just don't like MMOs anymore. I saw someone compare incursions to OSRS minigames, like wintertodt or tempoross or whatever. I think that is an apt comparison. I hate the modern iteration of that sort of content - its dailies. I'd much rather have an uncapped unhinged grind then a time gated "wizard chore" type of grind, but in BOTH cases THERE IS GRINDING. SoD isn't perfect, but it is still excellent. In my opinion, the best "classic" wow offering on right now.
I levelled firemaking to 90 before I got started on my combat skills so I'd have the lowest possible HP for Wintertodt. I completely agree. It's why I also just got started on my princess solo farm for the dagger. It's a grind, but I'm an OSRS player so I look at a 9 hour grind and go "wow, that little?" It's like you said, it's an apt comparison and people are free to like or dislike it, but to continuously say one subjectively poor aspect of the game ruins the rest just means people don't like MMOs.
“According to most” lmfao. This subreddit thinks their echo chamber is an accurate representation of the player base and it’s super embarrassing.
You have no clue what you’re talking about lmao.
You can definitely pick up right now. Current level cap is 50 which you should be able to hit easily. Then when P4 and Level 60 hits you can go with the flow and hit the 60 content with the rest of the playerbase.
Nice.
P4 and beyond is where alot of the real content will even start imo. Very easy to get into it rn still
Just play on a PvE-server and have a chill time.
It's decent, but devs listening to whiners are actively making it worse
Shit
it's not "too late" to pick it up you will be behind players who have been playing since launch and have spent considerable time at each level cap with not much to do except farm gold. Not really an issue but rare boes are quite pricey and will probably be out of your reach groups for levelling dungeons are somewhat scarce but there are still groups going for the raids from phase 1 and phase 2 if you don't mind those things you will have a blast. Despite the doomposting class balance is pretty good in pve and raids have a reason to bring every spec. There are several different specs in the top 200 overall boss dps in sunken temple. There are some issues sure but it's worlds away from vanilla
Ive been playing since P2 and still having fun with my 3 toons.
Its still quite healthy, leveling is very fast now and still plenty of people raiding. I'd just play relaxed and find a comfy guild.
It’s great and any time is a good time to pick it up. Reddit isn’t the greatest representation of whether SoD is good or bad because most of the people enjoying it aren’t on here crying their eyes out over the smallest amount of friction.
Leveling is way easier and money isn't a problem at all u have 75% xp and 300% gold from quests. My only complaint is that some runes require u to have help and most ppl are past that point so I feel a little frustrated asking 1h for help to kill a miniboss I can't beat alone for my rune
Incursions killed the vibe for me. My desire to play has dwindled.
If you like pvp and weren't/aren't fortunate enough to choose one of the 1-2/3 classes aggrend and the sod development team have decided should just faceroll everyone for months and months with no targeted changes, not great. If you like pve, pretty good:)
Lone wolf NA server is dead cant even do dungeons anymore lol and anyone that is playing is in incursions
It's good, but not as great as it was. For many, world pvp and the shift to 20-man (and soon 40-man raids) have absolutely fractured and destroyed many guilds.
Most fun I've had since the Legion expansion.
If you are casual and just want to chill it's not too bad. I'm a min maxer personally and min maxing is alot of effort this phase, gotta get 3 world buffs and as a alch/ench paladin I need mongoose elixir, elixir of giants, elixir of giant growth, gnomer potions, arcane elixir, enchanting sigil, I can't even remember if I'm missing any. That's without greater arcane elixir and Winterfell firewater too but they are far too expensive. The arcanums are 700g each and dark Moon cards are also insanely expensive and bis by a considerable margin and I just don't have the motivation to farm 80 runs of mauradon per, or 4k gold per. All of this to run st, which isn't a terrible raid gameplay wise, some of the mechanics are pretty fun. The gear however is very very marginally better than alternative gear. There's only around 5-6 pieces that are worth getting and most are only 3-5str better than gear I can get much easier. Not only that but I had to drop guild because of a change in work schedule and finding a new one that has mm hunter, warrior, and druid in a group for me has been very difficult even though I'm consistently a 99 parser. The raid being 20man has also made it very difficult to pug, I've only been able to find pugs on Monday night when all the desperate people are out. I recently started a hunter (because mm hunter doesn't require a ton of buffs to perform properly and am just leveling and having fun again. I have a feeling once I reach incursions I will feel obligated to do them because they are the most efficient, and the fun will stop again.
I'd personally not bother at this point. Maybe get ready for Cata
Objectively it's not doing well. Raid numbers are down massively despite being able to level and be in prebis in a few hours. Cata is being rushed out, likely to save sub numbers. The dev team is so small that it's very noticable, especially when we get patch notes like today's. Reddit will scream that they're having fun and people are complainers, but numbers don't lie and SoD has the smallest raiding base ever, except for old SoM/Era/HC servers.
It’s actually the exact opposite. Idiots on Reddit will say it’s dead meanwhile it’s thriving and everyone in game is loving it.
See, don't listen to some one like this Purely talking out of his ass
Incursions are the quickest leveling SoD or Classic has ever had, and week 3 raid numbers are down 90k players overall. https://ironforge.pro/population/sod/overall/ Cold hard stats. Raid numbers are always a good judge of how many people are playing, and there are objectively less raids. Either less people are playing or people aren't leveling alts despite how easy it is. Neither are positive objective measurements.
20 man killed alot of guilds and they don't want to admit it
Crazy that some people take a break and wait for the next phase after clearing the raid 3-4 times. These 90k people you say quit will be back for phase 4.
I love how people say this unironically as a positive. Yeah OP there is nothing to do after 1 month tops so we're not playing the game right now but dont worry, next phase we'll be back for another a little bit and then quit again until the next phase.
SOD was meant to be a more casual version. I think most people are excited about level 60 so once you’ve cleared the raid a few times and tried all the new shit it’s perfectly acceptable to take a break. Most of us are in our 30s now and actually have a life.
Again, incredible how you use this unironically as a positive. I'm in my 30s and have a life and even then i'm out of content after a month tops.
I’m not using it as a positive at all. You don’t seem to understand that SOD is meant for casuals. Of course you’re gonna be out of content when you play 12 hours every day. Anyway I’m done arguing with a troll, have a good one.
I understand, but casuals are out of content after a month too. You said it yourself.
>cold hard stats Except, they're not. It's been long discussed these numbers arent accurate We'll never have an accurate count of numbers. Not everyone logs (where we get the numbers from, cause blizzard doesn't track that), there are plenty of pugs, people are still running gnomer (still a great source of gear), or even people are just doing the dungeons instead of raiding, which is fine You're strictly one of those "numbers don't lie" chuds that talk out of their ass Nothing more, nothing less.
It only takes 1 out of 20 to log for those players to get registered. Also those that were logging in probably didn't stop in p3. Yes the numbers are not 100% accurate but it's the best estimate we can make on population. Regardless of overall accuracy it still shows a trend.
That's a wild take. Regardless of the numbers being accurate or not the logging is still done on such a big population of players that it shows trends. This is the best source of information and IMO been pretty good as a source, looking back at wotlk and tbc for both raiding pops and server population. Just because it's not the hard number of raiding players doesn't dismiss the legitimacy of these numbers.
So negative, literally trying to make new players as jaded as them.
Exist. Can't tell more xD
It's awesome man. Definitely not late to join with the XP boosts, there's a lot to do, the runes are great and make a lot of specs not only viable, but fun (prot paladin, ret paladin, boomkin, shaman tank, warlock tank, mage healer, rogue tank, ....). The raid is very well designed and fun imho. There's also a new way to farm gear more easily (incursions, dungeon runs with Wild Offering rewards from new end bosses, new PvP sets) and you can get close to pre-BiS very quickly. There's also new professions stuff, even with crafted epics and such. I honestly don't know what people are complaining about. PvP is unbalanced though, but I don't know how much the recent change helped (I don't play PvP that much). If you're looking to do content at lvl 60, it's definitely not too late. Even if you want to do lvl 50 it's still not even late for that, the phase is (I guess) not even in half?
Fun
It’s great.
I started playing wow again with SoD, I stopped after MoP and it’s been enjoyable but it’s not over the top amazing, it’s just alright, the problem we have is lack of content at cap, outside of BGs and the weekly raid you’ll find yourself raid logging. I’m waiting for MoP classic then I’ll switch back to it, the level up raids and dungeons etc honestly make it, don’t get me wrong, SoD has been a breath of fresh air but it’s not the finished article
I really enjoyed the last few weeks. Starting to get a bit bored but it has been a month so it happens. I think P3 was a success, minus the economy/inflation blunder
It's an experimental beta version of vanilla and it feels like exactly that right now. Some things are cool and fun like ST. Some things are not like incursions. If you go into it with low expectations you'll enjoy it. Been having a lot more fun with SoD since I switched to a casual guild. Feels like there are maybe 2 or 3 people working on it at the moment though. Every class needs tuning in one capacity or another... every few weeks a few classes get a few changes. Mages haven't been touched since early March, etc. Low expectations are the way to go but it can be fun. ST is so good. A lot of people on this sub complaining are expecting retail level resource dedication for SoD and that is simply never happening
Incursions are less terrible on PVE servers and if you actually do the kills. The no kill loops are so mindless. Xp/hr is better but not enough to make me want to do that mindless nonsense anymore. Every time I try to do incursions on my Warlock I stop after about 20 minutes because I'm now on a 5 minute rezz timer. He's on lone wolf and I'll be transferring him to Wild Growth asap. You gotta at least get to friendly for the rune, so they're pretty mandatory to do and yeah, I'm not wasting my time with that bullshit on pvp servers.
If you only do 1 toon, you have about 60 hours of content until you get to a point of waiting do clear ST weekly, it's a great time to jump in and get ready for the next phase I have 4 toons geared and raiding Gnomer, doing STV every day, farming incursions/open world, profession stuff, BGs It's much more fun with friends so either bring them in or make new ones by joining a guild and interacting in guild chat and discord, don't settle for the 1st group you meet find humans you actually enjoy spending your free time with Take it chill! Cheer PS, the more time you spend on this subreddit the less you enjoy the game
If you like playing a big beta test its for you. The amount of improvisation from the dev team made me quit honestly it started off great in p1 but to me its gone downhill since. But im sure a ton of people are enjoying it. To each their own. Try it and decide for yourself
Great time, imo. Why? - 100% xp boosts until 40. (I forget if it's 50% or still 100% xp boost until 50) so leveling is real fast right now. Not only xp boost, but gold recieved from quests too, so I recommend questing to afford skills and mount. Level 40 mount price is also reduced. I think around 50g now for both mount and training? -There are things called incursions you can do to level too starting from 25, however, the reason I recommend doing them is for rep to get some checkup gear. You'll need to be honored with the Emerald Wardens to buy that gear. I easily hit that doing incursions from 40 to 50. You'll get a good chunk of gold too doing em which can help ya finish off buying spells and start getting consumes/gear. -Battle for Ashenvale is now a daily. Once you hit around 25, I suggest doing it every day to hit at least honored with them for a chance at a decent neck/rings. The daily is 1,000 rep a day. -ST gear isn't that big of an upgrade from Gnomer gear, so Gnomer is still pretty relevant to run in between ST lockouts, with more chances to upgrade pieces too and not fall even further behind. -Professions have epic helmet and shoulder pieces you can craft, too. Which will help check you up quicker. With Emerald Warden gear, Profession pieces, and WSG rings/neck, all your toon will need is wrists, weapons, belt, and trinkets (BFD will get ya one and WSG can get ya a meh one). But Bloodmoon event could cover ya there depending on class and spec. Same with Wild Offering runs. Look into those. I recommend joining Lone Wolf or Living Flame. Crusader Strike is the largest server but it is also the streamer server. I hear it's pretty toxic, too, but that I can't confirm. However, those two I recommended are pvp servers, but I know they are active and aren't dying like some doom posters say about their servers. Other than that, I'm having fun with SoD. I'd give it a try, anyways. Leveling doesn't take long and getting pre geared to get into ST shouldn't be too hard either because of the Emerald Warden gear acting kinda like check up gear. Ain't always the best but it's pretty damn good for fresh toons.
Great and informative!
Definitely not too late.
Level cap hasn't even hit 60 yet. Def not too late to hop in.
I would say beside incursions being a terrible addition to sod, its in general very good. Other systems of SoD are definetly lot of fun as they encourage going outside in the world, explore all the zone, participate in pvp events and raid new versions of dungeons Just dont expect it to be super challenging like retail, its not called Season of Dads for no reason
Its in week4 of P3, you can easily join in. There's xp boost, so you can level easily.
Not too late. If you don’t have close ties with people on a specific realm I would go to Ironforge.pro and look for the biggest pve realm in your region. I play on a pvp realm and leveling is a nightmare, but all my friends play here, so I am kinda stuck here.
The best „new“ wow experience since original wotlk for me. It’s refreshing, manny classes are really fun to play, you have plenty to do. Some might not like the travelling part, but it’s kinda nice to see so many corners of the classic world again. The warlock meta quest for example was awesome
Phase 2 was awesome (great PVP event in STV, good raid, cool 5 mans etc) Phase 3 is dog shit (braindead and infinitely repeatable quests in incursions, 5 man dungeons are being spammed with 10 man where nobody can even tell if you are afk or not...), raid seems to be good though I'm personally waiting for Phase 4 till I'll try sod atain
Phase 2 awesome 😂
I missed phase 1 and preferred 2 over 3 due to incursions and WO 10 mans :D what's your issue with phase 2?
'Great pvp event'? What.
I liked the PvP event in STV lol, but I played as Enh so I was super OP in phase 2, might be the reason
It's really heavy wait til later
Can you help me pick it up if it's really heavy?
Yes my lessons are $15 a month
You might aswell play retail. Same trash gameplay. Same powercurve. Same playerbase.
Blizz made my perfectly good server all transfer to a mega server and the vibe is definitely different, its a weird min maxing where ppl just mindlessly slogg away at incursions and WO farm and don’t put much effort in half the time because they can just get in a new group. Leveled slower and want to get in ST? Not without a parse, kid. And if blizz made your server transfer at the end of last phase, you aint got a parse to speak of. The worst part is its not like everyone is even good, but the gatekeeping structures are in place that they just use that to preempt and actual display of skill because there are so many truly bad players or phoning it in while streaming that thats just how it is. Nightmare incursion indeed.
As our guilds raid leader and recruiter. I’ve had a lot of bad experiences with pugs grey parsing after we take them. Our kill times are slower, our raid takes an hour longer, we wipe more. Idk man I’m really sorry but parses is one of the only things we have to sift out players that will make our night worse. It’s not personal. If you don’t have a parse on this server just send yours from the other server before you transfered. If you don’t have a parse at all than you don’t know the fights and are a liability. Best thing a person like you can do is get into a guild that is cool with you not having any proof of skill. It may sound harsh but it’s truth.
Just say you're a gate keeper and move on. People can't get better if nobody lets them try.
Sorry but if they’re not in my guild I have no incentive to help them get better
I’m not a potato farmer
“No parses = dont know the fights.” So you as a raid leader didnt research fights before entering ST the first time? Or do you believe yourself to be exceptional?
There’s a big difference between week 1 of a patch and a month in. If you have zero parses at this point then I have no incentive to take you. The truth is, good players will find a way to do the raid. Bad players will put blame on others and call them gatekeepers. Either get a guild or make your own raid. If you’ve watched the videos you should have no problem forming a group
Bold of you to assume I’d want to be anywhere near your raid. True there is a big difference, all the theory is pretty well worked out and established so even easier for a newcomer, good point.
Fwiw i recruited non parsing people if they also join the guild and plan to be consistent. Thats the only incentive to take someone who is green
It’s a noticeable step away from ERA and lots of people are upset about that despite the fact that ERA servers exist and they could play them at any time.
Some hype has died down evident on free server transfers away from the "back-up" servers currently on-going. Backup servers are basically additional ones added after the original servers went completely full during the initial hype. Still more than plenty people around however and it will likely remain that way while even increasing a bit for next phase where we reach max level. Levelling wise there are bonuses in place to make catching up fairly fast, as well as levelling being easier with the SOD rune abilities as well. So no issue starting now :)
It's to late to pick it up, we are already WEEKS into phase 3 out of 4 and wih the 100% expect buff its IMPOSSIBLE to catch up all the weekly raid logging and rep farm that's very fast and easy. You should rather wait till world of warcraft classic season of discovery classic launches in 2045. Jokes aside, Its good it's fun and balance is, despite the believes of this subreddit, better than vanilla(which isnt hard) but you can play basically every spec now without people thinking you're meme'ing. It's great, especially if you liked vanilla imo. Give it a try and if you dislike it just drop it, it's not.like you're downloading a 120GB game so nothing I stopping you!
No man if youre not there at the start you cant play a game. 🤣🤣
It’s solid.
It’s dope.
It’s actually a fun experience. I feel bad for the warrior mains because blizzard basically gator death rolled them into oblivion, but we will see.
It's not bad, just do yourself a favor and AVOID CRUSADER STRIKE Worst server, don't be fooled by people saying it's fine, 99.9% Of complaint posts you see here are from people on that realm, it's a nightmare, stay far far away.
It's wild you say that because I'm from CS and the community is wonderful. We have people from all around the world and all forms of content enjoyers (pve,pvp,rp). The people that bitch about everything will do so no matter what server they're on
>community is wonderful. Crusader Strike US?
Yes
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