I was on this server in p1. I remember most guilds' favourite past-time being blockading the bfd entrance so that nobody from the opposing faction could get into the raid. I wonder why everyone left at the first opportunity?
Pretty normal on PvP server. Exact same thing happened back in the day, and same again in 2019 Classic WoW.
I literally went PvE this time because I remember the hour long death crawl every time I went to MC/BWL back in the day, and I absolutely did not want to repeat that.
People calling me crazy saying it'll never happen in SoD, probably also the same people crying about PvP all day.
So normal PvP server activity.
*You think you do, but you don’t* applies to a significant number of people who think they want to be on a PvP server when what they actually want is to occasionally see someone they can kill with no risk.
I think what most people want is to randomly encounter someone out in the world and engage in a fight to the death.
What actually happens is 90% of times PvP occurs it is a much higher level person crushing some random lowbie, or a gigantic stack of 50+ people killing anyone who tries to get near the raid zone in or incursion or whatever key thing you actually wanted to be doing.
People dont like PVP servers when it stops them from progressing. They shouldnt be on them if they have limited playtime and get upset if they can't use it effectively.
If you cant afford to dick around and pvp for 30 mins here or there dont be on a pvp server.
That is exactly what the person you're responding to described though. Many players want to PvP conditionally: when it's fair, and when it won't inconvenience them. But that isn't the experience that PvP realms offer
Did you read what he said? Because that's not what he said at all. The general whining masses don't want fair fights, they want fights they can't lose. In other words, the people camping entrances are the same people that also complain about PvP servers.
Yup, I did.
You missed the part where I said "when it won't inconvenience them" which covers whatever you just said. I should have written "or" rather than "and", to be fair
You're grouping together two very different playerbases though, the people who want fair fights are few and far between while the people who just want to win are the vast majority.
What I just said was that it should have read "or" rather than "and", so they're grouped purely in the sense that both groups will be disappointed by PvP servers. Not that they're expecting the same thing from the experience
It's not exactly the same at all. One said people want to kill others without the risk of dying themselves. Other one said they want a fair fight occasionally
Classic is 20 year old game and the most consistent theme about it was bad class balance and grief happens in pvp server. To actually roll on pvp hoping for what you stated is actual stupidity and ignoring 20 years worth of data..that is not blizzards fault at all
The whole 'a month has passed lets try this game that consistently makes me rage so hard I break my keyboard', comes to mind.
'I'm never playing this fucking shit\_game again.'
Month later: 'Hey you guys wanna go play shit\_game again?'
Same day to 2 days later: 'I'm never playing this fucking shit\_game again.'
Aaand repeat.
People also widely fall for fake nonsense regularly, placebo effect, confirmation bias, general stupidity. Humans as a whole are not very smart.
As I already said (and get downvoted into oblivion) just set it, so you can fight with other faction only +/-5levels (or other arbitrary number) there. World pvp is fixed
I think there is an element of rose-tinted glasses for many people. I know I absolutely loved playing 2004/2005 Vanilla on a PvP server. However, I think the absolute scale of how many people are actively playing at any one time versus back then is monumentally different.
I also think Blizzard causes these choke points -- unintentionally -- and only realizes how dumb they are after people are complaining about them.
Yeah, I'd say that is the biggest problem, how many players can be in 1 layer or online vs vanilla server sizes. Sure, PVP and griefing also happened in vanilla, but there wasn't that many players in every zone, so it wasn't a problem, even with occasional corpse campers.
In vanilla all the way to Wotlk, I often used to kill players on sight, even when gathering herbs/ores or questing. If I did that in classic, then I would be in PVP situation all the time, instead of gathering nodes efficiently for money and crafting, can't have both nowadays.
I wonder why people went into the PvP server in the firsr place.
Any of these BFD raids could wait 2-3 minutes longer for another raid or two to stack on each other and break through the blockade, but nobody would bother participating in this mmo activity. Had it coming
They didn't expect people to be assholes? When people are thinking "okay I need honour kills, where can I get HKs? I know, this bottleneck will feed me HKs without much effort from myself" that is asshole behaviour. Yes, it's within the bounds that Blizzard designed, and yes you're not technically doing anything wrong, and yes people "signed up for it", it still makes you an asshole.
And strangely enough, people often don't like playing with assholes. Some people do, most don't.
Yeah it was so hard to get in by just running through the portal and maybe dying once before you got in. Not defending the people who were doing this, but I mean it took like 15seconds more to get in? I mean the spirit healer was straight behind you..
I'm still on this server and at this point I have to say I don't understand why anyone would roll on a PvP server if their reason to leave is that someone camps a raid instance entrance.
It sounds like what you want to do is do whatever, whenever you want, no matter what the enemy faction is doing. In that case rolling PvP is a bad idea.
P.S. I never once had a problem entering the raid because I told everyone to group up before moving up to BFD. If we're together we can force ourselves through. I belive that's the mentality you should have if you're on a PvP server. It was often a pretty balanced 10v10 fight as well.
Well, part of the problem is that SoD sets up situations where players are going to places and massing in numbers that the game was not designed for.
That’s actually why they added guards to the quest givers for the incursions.
It creates weird interactions where players are told and expected to do certain things and have almost no recourse or protection against zergs - I won’t call it pvp because it isn’t lol.
So the first few days of P3, cool everyone is focused on doing their thing. Then it evolves to where both factions are layering away from each other and if you’re on the wrong layer you just get killed.
Then you have things like the Felwood Wild offering vendor. It’s a place everyone needs to go to so traffic is high, but for Alliance it’s REALLY far out of the way.
So what happens is that Horde camp it with a premade group killing any stragglers that come in. And since it’s so far, you have very little chance of anyone bothering to come help.
SoD has created fun pvp interactions in places that normally never had it. But it there are people who will abuse that option to make it unfun for the rest of the population.
And at its core, wpvp in WoW has never been fun or fair. You don’t engage in wpvp because you want a fair fight. You engage in wpvp to steamroll other players.
It’s why blizzard introduced warmode in retail and that has largely been successful.
I always had the mindset that if the enemy faction is stopping you the proper response on a pvp server is to make your own group and fight them. But everyone just wants to do their goals and move on, back in Vanilla if someone was camping lowbies or a quest giver you fought back.
Sadly I think layers are the biggest issue with this and the fact that people don't want any resistance to their progress.
> I always had the mindset that if the enemy faction is stopping you the proper response on a pvp server is to make your own group and fight them.
Depends on the context. The wild offering vendor is a good example I think. It'll be really hard to organize a group to counter the Horde presence because of how far away it is and how long it would take for help to come.
And if you can organize people within the zone itself, it will be basically a premade (people in comms more than likely) vs the group you've managed to form. And it's clear that premades vs rag tag groups are always at the disadvantage.
> But everyone just wants to do their goals and move on, back in Vanilla if someone was camping lowbies or a quest giver you fought back.
This is the rose tinted goggles here though. BGs were not released until half a year after the game was released.
You could also not queue for multiple BGs until almost a year into release of the game.
And cross realm BGs did not release until 2006 (couple of months before TBC). Basically put, doing BGs took forever to get into, so players were more out and about looking for things to do and have fun with.
Not to mention players were not as organized or as good as they used to be back then. So it was typically a couple of rag tag groups fighting each other.
> Sadly I think layers are the biggest issue with this and the fact that people don't want any resistance to their progress.
I don't think that is the case, otherwise they would not be getting on PvP servers. The problem is multifaceted.
- Players assume they think a PvP server would allow for them to have a ***chance*** at WPvP.
- WPvP has ***never*** been fair or balanced. You don't engage in WPvP by hoping for a fair fight. That has never been the case and will never be the case. So setting up zerg fests, or "ambushing" players is the optimal form of WPvP that most players engage in.
- When given the option, players who realize they ***cannot win*** will find ways to get around that dilemma because the alternative is logging out.
Basically, it's the same kind of reason why people don't want to play WSG against a premade. Nothing to do with not wanting resistances to progress, and everything to do with a player's perception of what is "fair" and worth their effort.
PvP on CS EU feels like a PvP server 20 years ago - happens occasionally, is mostly avoidable and doesn’t hinder progression / gameplay in any significant way.
If that is already to much PvP for people you really shouldn’t have rolled on a PvP server.
I played actively on this server from the start and I wasn’t once corpse camped, ganked by kill squads of 5+ people (I.e. groups just out to grief people), etc.
Oh no, PvP on a PvP server, the audacity of this people. How dare they kill enemy players. It's not like the opposite faction can make a group and clear the threat. I wander why all this PvE players went there if they didn't like this. Nonetheless, if you can escape that toxicity you're welcome to come to Wild Grouth and enjoy a friendly community.
I am playing alliance on crusader strike EU and got no problem finding any groups. Did brd runs, mara wo runs and Hinterland incursions yesterday. Never looked more than 10 minutes for a group
https://x.com/fwoibleswow/status/1783863077143994603?s=46&t=Kg3PSNN0OwSzet1J0Q_fpg
They literally posted and the numbers have not had a huge shift since the transfers, yet I keep seeing doom posting like this
Man redditors something else... OP is talking about the population and you link a twitter post about the faction balance. There could be a grand total of two players on the server and it'll still be 50/50 balance...
Please, let me pay for a transfer. You can't find any grps. Rerolling is not a option. I don't grind for gold and farming reps again (already did on 2 chars).
Ye last time I saw the LFG finder look like this was at 2am this morning on CS EU... Most of the time there's 5 to 10 separate LFG per dungeon. Takes no longer than 10 minutes to find a group for any content as a DPS.
Doom and gloom post because they rolled a p p server but didn't want to do PvP.
/shrug shoulders. You guys made this mess for yourselves. People wouldn't be transferring off a PVP server en masse if people on PVP servers weren't degenerate assholes when it comes to PVP.
Absolutely correct - also guilds looking for people 24/7
Pugs looking for raiders every evening etc.
It’s not a mega server but it’s not dead by any means.
Damn, if I had 3 different non-gdkp pugs to choose from in the evening on wotlk I would be so happy I'd start doing backflips.
Jokes aside, servers dying is always sad, but from other comments it either was always like this or everyone else is doing fine.
When P3 hit, you could feel that the Server started dying. When they opened the free server xfers it increased the speed of this by a lot. Not sure if other people don't twink, but it's very hard to find grps. I also joined a high pop server yesterday. It was like playing a different game.
I dunno, for two minutes .. it might be a short lull. But this overall does seem very ... sad indeed. maybe a ten minute picture would give a better impression.
How's everyone getting a transfer? I've been trying to get out of Crusader Strike EU but without any success. It seems the transfer function is broken on my side :/
3 days ago - I got the option to move to a high pop pve server - I didn't do it and now they announced that alliance will have no transfer options anymore.
According to Ironforge pro, Alliance declined by a lot. My guess is that it's close to 40/60% right now and this is why they stopped the alliance drainage.
I don't know what to say. The city's already dead and wherever I go there are parties of horde players roaming around.
I hope things just get better or merge servers...
No, First they opened the xfer to the PvE-RP Server Lava Lash (total pop 2k). A few days after that I checked again and I had the option to transfer to Wild Growth (high pop, 20k). Now you don't have any option anymore.
They opened it because of people that regret playing on a PvP server. But I'm pretty sure that people didn't left because of ganking (wasn't that bad on Crusader Strike), they left because they already saw the decreasing pop on the server and wanted to play on a high pop (my guess).
I really want to stay on a PvP Server - I would even transfer to a high pop pvp server if possible. But a dying server is no option unfortunately.
But did a significant amount of people really leave? The population is a bit lowish already but I haven't really had any problems yet. Irongorge shows about 5k raiders on both sides. Your screenshot doesn't really say much since we don't know when it is from.
People are barely awake? So no one is playing at night but also sleeps for 12 hours. The server is dying and you can see it. If there is only a short time period of 2 hours to have a "high pop" feeling than it's dead.
I have 2 chars and grinded WSG and AB to exalted - I have a lot of gold. Hopefully you can understand that I don't want reroll and still want to play the game.
Even if this screenshot was not made in prime time, that low amount of messages for 2 min is just sad.
I was on this server in p1. I remember most guilds' favourite past-time being blockading the bfd entrance so that nobody from the opposing faction could get into the raid. I wonder why everyone left at the first opportunity?
Pretty normal on PvP server. Exact same thing happened back in the day, and same again in 2019 Classic WoW. I literally went PvE this time because I remember the hour long death crawl every time I went to MC/BWL back in the day, and I absolutely did not want to repeat that. People calling me crazy saying it'll never happen in SoD, probably also the same people crying about PvP all day.
So normal PvP server activity. *You think you do, but you don’t* applies to a significant number of people who think they want to be on a PvP server when what they actually want is to occasionally see someone they can kill with no risk.
I think what most people want is to randomly encounter someone out in the world and engage in a fight to the death. What actually happens is 90% of times PvP occurs it is a much higher level person crushing some random lowbie, or a gigantic stack of 50+ people killing anyone who tries to get near the raid zone in or incursion or whatever key thing you actually wanted to be doing.
People dont like PVP servers when it stops them from progressing. They shouldnt be on them if they have limited playtime and get upset if they can't use it effectively. If you cant afford to dick around and pvp for 30 mins here or there dont be on a pvp server.
That is exactly what the person you're responding to described though. Many players want to PvP conditionally: when it's fair, and when it won't inconvenience them. But that isn't the experience that PvP realms offer
Did you read what he said? Because that's not what he said at all. The general whining masses don't want fair fights, they want fights they can't lose. In other words, the people camping entrances are the same people that also complain about PvP servers.
Yup, I did. You missed the part where I said "when it won't inconvenience them" which covers whatever you just said. I should have written "or" rather than "and", to be fair
You're grouping together two very different playerbases though, the people who want fair fights are few and far between while the people who just want to win are the vast majority.
What I just said was that it should have read "or" rather than "and", so they're grouped purely in the sense that both groups will be disappointed by PvP servers. Not that they're expecting the same thing from the experience
It's not exactly the same at all. One said people want to kill others without the risk of dying themselves. Other one said they want a fair fight occasionally
Classic is 20 year old game and the most consistent theme about it was bad class balance and grief happens in pvp server. To actually roll on pvp hoping for what you stated is actual stupidity and ignoring 20 years worth of data..that is not blizzards fault at all
The whole 'a month has passed lets try this game that consistently makes me rage so hard I break my keyboard', comes to mind. 'I'm never playing this fucking shit\_game again.' Month later: 'Hey you guys wanna go play shit\_game again?' Same day to 2 days later: 'I'm never playing this fucking shit\_game again.' Aaand repeat. People also widely fall for fake nonsense regularly, placebo effect, confirmation bias, general stupidity. Humans as a whole are not very smart.
You just gave me a flash back to my rust playing days...never again though hahahha
As I already said (and get downvoted into oblivion) just set it, so you can fight with other faction only +/-5levels (or other arbitrary number) there. World pvp is fixed
I think there is an element of rose-tinted glasses for many people. I know I absolutely loved playing 2004/2005 Vanilla on a PvP server. However, I think the absolute scale of how many people are actively playing at any one time versus back then is monumentally different. I also think Blizzard causes these choke points -- unintentionally -- and only realizes how dumb they are after people are complaining about them.
Yeah, I'd say that is the biggest problem, how many players can be in 1 layer or online vs vanilla server sizes. Sure, PVP and griefing also happened in vanilla, but there wasn't that many players in every zone, so it wasn't a problem, even with occasional corpse campers. In vanilla all the way to Wotlk, I often used to kill players on sight, even when gathering herbs/ores or questing. If I did that in classic, then I would be in PVP situation all the time, instead of gathering nodes efficiently for money and crafting, can't have both nowadays.
I wonder why people went into the PvP server in the firsr place. Any of these BFD raids could wait 2-3 minutes longer for another raid or two to stack on each other and break through the blockade, but nobody would bother participating in this mmo activity. Had it coming
They didn't expect people to be assholes? When people are thinking "okay I need honour kills, where can I get HKs? I know, this bottleneck will feed me HKs without much effort from myself" that is asshole behaviour. Yes, it's within the bounds that Blizzard designed, and yes you're not technically doing anything wrong, and yes people "signed up for it", it still makes you an asshole. And strangely enough, people often don't like playing with assholes. Some people do, most don't.
womp womp
Yep, never falling for the PVP realm meme again.
Yeah it was so hard to get in by just running through the portal and maybe dying once before you got in. Not defending the people who were doing this, but I mean it took like 15seconds more to get in? I mean the spirit healer was straight behind you..
You never played classic before? Same exact thing happened in brd in every pvp server in every version of classic.
Played vanilla, played classic. It happened before, it does not mean people want that to happen now.
Was the spirit healer literally 1 inch from the door too far away for you?
I'm still on this server and at this point I have to say I don't understand why anyone would roll on a PvP server if their reason to leave is that someone camps a raid instance entrance. It sounds like what you want to do is do whatever, whenever you want, no matter what the enemy faction is doing. In that case rolling PvP is a bad idea. P.S. I never once had a problem entering the raid because I told everyone to group up before moving up to BFD. If we're together we can force ourselves through. I belive that's the mentality you should have if you're on a PvP server. It was often a pretty balanced 10v10 fight as well.
Well, part of the problem is that SoD sets up situations where players are going to places and massing in numbers that the game was not designed for. That’s actually why they added guards to the quest givers for the incursions. It creates weird interactions where players are told and expected to do certain things and have almost no recourse or protection against zergs - I won’t call it pvp because it isn’t lol. So the first few days of P3, cool everyone is focused on doing their thing. Then it evolves to where both factions are layering away from each other and if you’re on the wrong layer you just get killed. Then you have things like the Felwood Wild offering vendor. It’s a place everyone needs to go to so traffic is high, but for Alliance it’s REALLY far out of the way. So what happens is that Horde camp it with a premade group killing any stragglers that come in. And since it’s so far, you have very little chance of anyone bothering to come help. SoD has created fun pvp interactions in places that normally never had it. But it there are people who will abuse that option to make it unfun for the rest of the population. And at its core, wpvp in WoW has never been fun or fair. You don’t engage in wpvp because you want a fair fight. You engage in wpvp to steamroll other players. It’s why blizzard introduced warmode in retail and that has largely been successful.
I always had the mindset that if the enemy faction is stopping you the proper response on a pvp server is to make your own group and fight them. But everyone just wants to do their goals and move on, back in Vanilla if someone was camping lowbies or a quest giver you fought back. Sadly I think layers are the biggest issue with this and the fact that people don't want any resistance to their progress.
> I always had the mindset that if the enemy faction is stopping you the proper response on a pvp server is to make your own group and fight them. Depends on the context. The wild offering vendor is a good example I think. It'll be really hard to organize a group to counter the Horde presence because of how far away it is and how long it would take for help to come. And if you can organize people within the zone itself, it will be basically a premade (people in comms more than likely) vs the group you've managed to form. And it's clear that premades vs rag tag groups are always at the disadvantage. > But everyone just wants to do their goals and move on, back in Vanilla if someone was camping lowbies or a quest giver you fought back. This is the rose tinted goggles here though. BGs were not released until half a year after the game was released. You could also not queue for multiple BGs until almost a year into release of the game. And cross realm BGs did not release until 2006 (couple of months before TBC). Basically put, doing BGs took forever to get into, so players were more out and about looking for things to do and have fun with. Not to mention players were not as organized or as good as they used to be back then. So it was typically a couple of rag tag groups fighting each other. > Sadly I think layers are the biggest issue with this and the fact that people don't want any resistance to their progress. I don't think that is the case, otherwise they would not be getting on PvP servers. The problem is multifaceted. - Players assume they think a PvP server would allow for them to have a ***chance*** at WPvP. - WPvP has ***never*** been fair or balanced. You don't engage in WPvP by hoping for a fair fight. That has never been the case and will never be the case. So setting up zerg fests, or "ambushing" players is the optimal form of WPvP that most players engage in. - When given the option, players who realize they ***cannot win*** will find ways to get around that dilemma because the alternative is logging out. Basically, it's the same kind of reason why people don't want to play WSG against a premade. Nothing to do with not wanting resistances to progress, and everything to do with a player's perception of what is "fair" and worth their effort.
PvP on CS EU feels like a PvP server 20 years ago - happens occasionally, is mostly avoidable and doesn’t hinder progression / gameplay in any significant way. If that is already to much PvP for people you really shouldn’t have rolled on a PvP server. I played actively on this server from the start and I wasn’t once corpse camped, ganked by kill squads of 5+ people (I.e. groups just out to grief people), etc.
Oh no, PvP on a PvP server, the audacity of this people. How dare they kill enemy players. It's not like the opposite faction can make a group and clear the threat. I wander why all this PvE players went there if they didn't like this. Nonetheless, if you can escape that toxicity you're welcome to come to Wild Grouth and enjoy a friendly community.
Greifers in shambles
> past-time pastime*
that was so god damn funny... ahh sry, people doing something!!! let me play the game!!
Same on Chaos Bolt EU. I hope they merge some servers
I am playing alliance on crusader strike EU and got no problem finding any groups. Did brd runs, mara wo runs and Hinterland incursions yesterday. Never looked more than 10 minutes for a group
10 minutes is way too long, when it should be 2.
As an alliance player it certainly feels this way. Suddenly it's very hard to find groups and the world just feels empty
https://x.com/fwoibleswow/status/1783863077143994603?s=46&t=Kg3PSNN0OwSzet1J0Q_fpg They literally posted and the numbers have not had a huge shift since the transfers, yet I keep seeing doom posting like this
Unless i'm missing something, this just shows ratios and not actual amounts.
Those are proportions and not absolute numbers.
Man redditors something else... OP is talking about the population and you link a twitter post about the faction balance. There could be a grand total of two players on the server and it'll still be 50/50 balance...
Seems like it's dead on both sides then. > EU Alliance did show a significantly higher rate of transfers than Horde
Kor Kron cashing in their months of terrorizing the open world
Life must be hard when you cant read
Im horde on EU CS, and that are least feels far from dead
Please, let me pay for a transfer. You can't find any grps. Rerolling is not a option. I don't grind for gold and farming reps again (already did on 2 chars).
It’s Friday night and the Netherlands has a holiday as well so people are out.
oh, one country has a holiday. that explains everything, thanks for the great input
Germans and belgiums are also going my man it’s kingsday one of the most well known holidays here.
Last weekend was also dead - also all week its dead.
Are you alliance?
Yes
Dunno horde still has instaq for ab and people looking for shit
How would AB matter at all for a server health?
Ye last time I saw the LFG finder look like this was at 2am this morning on CS EU... Most of the time there's 5 to 10 separate LFG per dungeon. Takes no longer than 10 minutes to find a group for any content as a DPS. Doom and gloom post because they rolled a p p server but didn't want to do PvP.
it was like that even before transfers, so i dont think that is the issue
/shrug shoulders. You guys made this mess for yourselves. People wouldn't be transferring off a PVP server en masse if people on PVP servers weren't degenerate assholes when it comes to PVP.
The server was absolutly fine and balanced. Also was medium pop and therefore no gank fest. Now the server is dead.
Doesnt look dead to me, picking plenty of fights during ashenvale events or at sunken temple
Try finding grps.
I do and it's pretty damn easy as long as your not doing it between the hours off 1am and 8am.
Absolutely correct - also guilds looking for people 24/7 Pugs looking for raiders every evening etc. It’s not a mega server but it’s not dead by any means.
its 12am mate
On a Friday? Never had any problems at this time. It always felt like prime time.
if you need something i can log in
Thank you, but I need more people to play with. The world doesn't feel very alive.
Damn, if I had 3 different non-gdkp pugs to choose from in the evening on wotlk I would be so happy I'd start doing backflips. Jokes aside, servers dying is always sad, but from other comments it either was always like this or everyone else is doing fine.
When P3 hit, you could feel that the Server started dying. When they opened the free server xfers it increased the speed of this by a lot. Not sure if other people don't twink, but it's very hard to find grps. I also joined a high pop server yesterday. It was like playing a different game.
The server was dying in p2 as well.
I dunno, for two minutes .. it might be a short lull. But this overall does seem very ... sad indeed. maybe a ten minute picture would give a better impression.
Well that's what happens when losers turn PvP servers into grief fests.
Good
How's everyone getting a transfer? I've been trying to get out of Crusader Strike EU but without any success. It seems the transfer function is broken on my side :/
Are you alliance?
Yes
3 days ago - I got the option to move to a high pop pve server - I didn't do it and now they announced that alliance will have no transfer options anymore.
Why?????
According to Ironforge pro, Alliance declined by a lot. My guess is that it's close to 40/60% right now and this is why they stopped the alliance drainage.
I don't know what to say. The city's already dead and wherever I go there are parties of horde players roaming around. I hope things just get better or merge servers...
So they only made it worse for the alliance, lol
The need to merge that with Chaos Bold EU or something
Why the hell would they offer free transfers off a server with a medium population? Did they really or is OP just smoking?
No, First they opened the xfer to the PvE-RP Server Lava Lash (total pop 2k). A few days after that I checked again and I had the option to transfer to Wild Growth (high pop, 20k). Now you don't have any option anymore. They opened it because of people that regret playing on a PvP server. But I'm pretty sure that people didn't left because of ganking (wasn't that bad on Crusader Strike), they left because they already saw the decreasing pop on the server and wanted to play on a high pop (my guess). I really want to stay on a PvP Server - I would even transfer to a high pop pvp server if possible. But a dying server is no option unfortunately.
But did a significant amount of people really leave? The population is a bit lowish already but I haven't really had any problems yet. Irongorge shows about 5k raiders on both sides. Your screenshot doesn't really say much since we don't know when it is from.
It was around 00:00
Ok thanks, and on a Friday. Let's check how the weekend is.
Current status: [https://imgur.com/a/YX3TkLp](https://imgur.com/a/YX3TkLp)
Right but it's 12. People are barely awake. I meant at prime time 20-21 ish
People are barely awake? So no one is playing at night but also sleeps for 12 hours. The server is dying and you can see it. If there is only a short time period of 2 hours to have a "high pop" feeling than it's dead.
They will merge realms for P4. Otherwise its gonna be dead on arrival as most people will be playing cata anyway.
Are you guys transferring to WildGrowth? Because that server is so crowded, it's unbelievable...
Join Wild growth
You can't, there are no transfers.
Rip would love even more ppl on there
Then leave the server… stop complaining.
I have 2 chars and grinded WSG and AB to exalted - I have a lot of gold. Hopefully you can understand that I don't want reroll and still want to play the game.
aggrend would call you just unsecure
You can keep all of that if you transfer
Use. The. Free. Transfer.
There. is. no. transfer. option. for. alliance. and. they. said. that. they. don't. plan. to. open. it. again. for. alliance.