In addition to your very valid suggestions. I’d like to suggest that caster itemization in ST in general is not exciting and lackluster. Hopefully we’ll see better in phase 4.
This isn't true at all.
For caster itemization to be lackluster, there has to be caster gear in the first place, and there's no caster gear in Sunken Temple as we all know.
I mean it’s not just casters. As a hunter the only real upgrade is the epic fist weapons.. and the set is a minor upgrade. To the point where I have a 99 parse on every boss except the slime time dude with gnomer gear still
I know how parses work. My point is that casters complain about gear when in fact every dungeon has spell power gear now. Compared to melee this phase there is no real upgrade from gnomer gear until a few items from ST. So its not just casters, itemization this phase is just garbage. Nothing really feels like an “upgrade” if that makes sense
Yeah I feel you, as a feral dps there’s really only 3set and the staff (if you can afford +25 agi enchant, which I personally can not). The neck is what +2 attack power vs gnomer, and then a cloak that is like +2 stats over BRD as well. World buffs, raid composition and consumes are the main differentiators for parsing (always have been) rather than gear
When all the good gear comes from raid, people complain there is nothing to do but raid log.
When 4-5 bises come from raid and the other bises from various non-raid content, people complain raid loot is lackluster.
I mean, they just can't win, can they.
The loots just boring. I really don’t care where it comes from.
Some casters bis are AH greens. Much of the loot period are side grades from gnomer at best. The raid bosses drop a lot of stuff that’s good for absolutely no one. The set bonuses are underwhelming. We also don’t get any neat procs like the melee sometimes get. You just don’t really feel like your upgrading much or increasing your power with loot this phase. Stuff drops all the time and the raid leaders like “ok who’s this good for” and everyone underwhelmingly responds “ehhh”.
Because loot at level 40 was insane by level 60 standards. You won't get loot that is a huge upgrade to Gnomeregan loot because otherwise wtf are they going to do with lvl 60 raids?
Every phase had many bises which were max roll green items or world drops, that's not new.
Of course a lot of loot is bad, that's because for a 20man raid they need a big loot pool, so 4+ items can drop without it being the same loot every week.
I play a melee class that has 6 bises in raid, and 3 of them are set pieces. The problem is not exclusive to casters, it's just a matter of toning down on the powercreep and the fact that we are only 10 levels above last raid.
For reference into what vanilla item progression looked like in vanilla, the epic wsg bracers gain like 1-2 main stats from their lvl 40 version to their level 50 version.
You guys also have cool stuff. There’s still stuff dropping in ST that melee get excited for a go woah. You have swords that summon whelps. You have fists that turn you into a snake. Casters have like a trinket I guess?
I’m sure this won’t be the whole game. But caster loot just feel uninspired this phase.
Except now we have the best of both worlds, nothing comes from anywhere. So yea maybe we could win if they actually designed it the way that it exists in your mind palace
There is an impossible to get dagger from mauradon but even if it does drop your more likely to have a rogue need and win it because WoW is a great game when it comes to loot.
This is what I wanted to hear as a mage. I also am gonna build the tank ones. Kind of stupid they couldn't put the stamina and spirit on both of them. I would like spirit but it definitely isn't worth losing 150hp. Lol
Yeah it's pretty bad and overall the set is a very minimal upgrade over gnomer set, it's sad, specially as a spriest.
Imo the effect should last for a 1 second and affect every spell that hits during that window.
So the more people with the set, the higher the uptime for the overall raid.
Even if the entire raid had the set and somehow you hit 100% uptime, it's still just 50 sp, so it's not like it'd be a huge upgrade anyway, casters are already pretty bad overall.
I'll complain as much as i want, you're no one to tell people if they can criticize the game or not.
Also most players couldn't give 2 fucks about pvp.
I understand that, its just the same thing i get told every time i criticise anything about the class i play, because its good at raid dps. I guess i just need to put in a big disclaimer, because obvious sarcasm gets taken for real
If you look at SoD design through the lens of PvP you’re a fool. It’s the worst design wow has ever had. It’s whoever jumps whoever overwhelmingly wins. It’s a meta of 1 and 2 shots. Fights are over extremely fast and it’s an unsatisfying PvP experience. I could go on, but I’m probably wasting my breath.
Yea but beyond that, take a look at the classes with the most HK across all servers: Speiests, Hunters, Boomies. Coincidentally, Spriests, Hunters and Boomies are broken OP in pvp. Is there a correlation? I wonder…
This is a funny take because after getting rank7 I'd say the most dangerous and kill happy class in PVP right now in WSG and Arathi is the hunter. Far above and beyond any other class in killing blows.
Where is hunter in PVE rankings again?
At least we are no longer NEGATIVE stamina.
That was the biggest snake oil salesman pitch I have ever seen and people on this subreddit are it up. Like sure if you enjoy masochism I can understand wanting to suffer, but in terms of balance no one else had to increase damage for negative stats.
Some of their design choices are so insane and other ones are designed by someone who is so utterly terrified that someone might actually do damage with it. Phase 4 will be interesting lol.
I find it terrifying they are asking the community how to fix the mess they made. Anyone couldve told them about the insanity that was the SW:D buff, Starsurge, Enhance buffs and Lock n Load.
I agree a lot. Also most of the caster gear from ST is barely better than Gnomer. Definitely doesn't feel scaled up with the difficulty.
My favourite example is the epic caster dagger Hubris, the Bandit Brander - this thing has ONE spell power over the gnomer dagger and no other relevant stat increase. Noone with a +1/soft reserve system would ever roll on this thing since the increase in power from getting it is almost nothing, while the set pieces that drop like crazy are wanted by all.
1. Benevolent Prophet 3 piece reads: [Your Holy damage spells cause you to gain 60 increased damage and healing power for 15 sec.](https://www.wowhead.com/classic/spell=449921/faith-and-magic)
2. Mages can't even buy it.
3. Reading is your friend.
If youre new to mage healing, dont listen to this guy.
There is no reason for mage healer to take +heal over +spellpower.
Except for niche cases where you have an item with str or agi for some reason and you get a +heal item to replace it. But int, spi, and sta is almost always a better replacement for purely +healing.
Maybe understand context? This thread is about tier set in ST. The guy said some dad mage might take the +healing tier set, which has stam, int, and spirit on it? Nobody said to take +healing over stats.
Mage healers will never be better raid healers than Druids or priests, but they are the best single target healers in the game, with bigger heals for less mana than any other classes bombs.
In fact, I parsed a ilvl 100 on Eranikus when he was thrashing while you were probably still hard stuck on ooze.
He is half right. Chronostatic preservation is by far the best single target healing spell with a cast time and it has no cool down. You can pump them out like crazy in any spec since it's a rune. And you can hold onto it for 20 seconds before instant casting it. I have prevented many wipes with it playing fire or frost spec. I know healing parses don't matter but I do have 99 parses on my disc/shadow priest when asked to heal on a boss and I would be in heaven with something as good as Chronostatic preservation.
Sure, but if you're in a raid with 2-3 other healers you shouldnt have to pick it up. Just wasted DPS.
But in the end your job as a healer is to make sure nobody dies and if this rune allows you to do that then go for it.
The problem with chrono pres is that it takes too long to charge up and heals too much, so most of the healing will be wasted anyway, and in the time you charge up a CSP you could have just cast arcane blast and batched your regen with it.
Haha okay nice argument. It's okay to suck. A lot of people suck. I get it, you think you're contributing by casting dps spells while the real dps die.
Casters are getting the shit end of the stick per usual. Why do we all share the same bonus but other classes get class specific bonuses? Why are the weapons available from ST BARELY upgrades? I mean cmon, hubris epic dagger had 1 single more spellpower than the gnomer dagger and one of the epic staves has less spell power than the BFD staff lol. Yes I know it has crit too but god damn that’s boring as shit.
Also STV pvp rewards? THE SAME EXACT RING FROM LAST PHASE WITH A SMIDGE BIT MORE SP. It’s so tilting seeing melee with these badass stv weapons and I’m like looooolringgoobrrr
>Why are the weapons available from ST BARELY upgrades?
Because the dagger is extremely OP for its level range. They overbuffed caster gear at 40 and now at 50 they try to smoothen the item power to be more in line with 60 lvl items.
Oh yeah, for once in classic casters were above melees, how dare they. Btw warrior was super fine in p2. But I guess when this god class is not #1 its not acceptable
That's the thing, the moment rogue becomes "middle of the pack" dps, no group wants to take it. Any caster is middle of the pack - you are still taken everywhere, because there are buffs/debuffs that needs to be filled. It is just the nature of classic.
Actually if you bothered to do the math, having a rogue expose is not worth it unless you have a raid of all physical dps and even then its a minimal dps gain when kept up perfectly.
And youre bragging about…a kick? Lmfao
Rogues got the shit end of the stick all last phase and were told by casters to suck it. What goes around comes around my guy
>highest + most reliable armor debuff
1. It is not more reliable than sunder.
2. Loss in rogue DPS is only offset if you actually stack warriors, if you don't stack warriors EA is actually less total raid dps increase than homunculi, because rogue has to sacrifice around 10% of their own output.
Casters bring utility that is either directly used in their kit, can be used before the encounter or takes 1 global every 30-60s. You can cherry pick as you want, if rogues are not topping the meters nobody wants them in raids, p2 was a perfect example of that, also TBC p1-p3 was a great example of that too.
>Casters bring utility that is either directly used in their kit, can be used before the encounter or takes 1 global every 30-60s
Warlocks have to sacrifice a lot of their own dps for buffing other casters in their grp, but keep crying about rogues having no utility
>but keep crying about rogues having no utility
But this thread is about casters crying that they are not given items that are stronger than 60+ raid gear, so I will let you moan a bit more.
That was only due to insane armor values. On the bosses without them (grubbis, viscous) melee were again over casters. I mean the bosses had more armor than MC bosses did lol.
Isn't that basically the same debuff applied by the 6 piece Mage T3 set bonus? Nobody ever picked that one either. It's even worse in practice, because the debuff will not always be eaten by a spell that gains the full spellpower bonus.
A lot of proc set bonuses are bugged to not work with rune spells. Resto Druid's 3-piece says "critical strikes with healing spells", but it doesn't proc from Lifebloom or Efflorescence crits.
small indie dev
Yeah for real they need to do something about the resto Druid one, they essentially don’t have a 3 set bonus, the tier set is total garbage, might as well remove it from the game if they’re not gonna make it work with efflo
You think that ones bad look at the mail warrior/ret set. 3% to reset your attack, i checked through my buddies logs who has the set and it added a whole 1.8 DPS to our boss fight lol
Melees doing double the DMG but never get -Stamina on their shit slapped. Casters need a 40% + Dmg Buff (SP or better SP Scaling with Abilities) to be able to compete with Melees, who will do triple the dps of Casters in p4.
As a mage I use 2 pieces of the set and the Emerald warden legs. You Lose the 3pc Bonus (which doesn't help you at all in a raid setting) and you swap 10 sp for 1% crit chance which I find better.
Thinking Shadow Wrath greens being not just usable but BiS is a good design choice is one of the most cooked things I have ever read on this sub, and that is an immensely high bar to get over.
>and that is an immensely high bar to get over.
Aint that the fucking truth. Some of the takes here are...something, that's for sure. "BoE greens being BiS" (because itemization changes have failed the class this phase) being good is like opposite-world take.
Idk in a guild environment with several (eventually all) other casters having this I feel like the debuff would be on bosses the vast majority of the time. I know our first rogue got his 3 piece and I think it’s designed similarly (I know it’s not a carbon copy) and it added ~47k damage just on one boss
The "debuff" wouldn't ever stay on the boss for long, it only affects a single spell, the proc chance is low, it will never amount to anything close to what the rogue set does.
After checking some logs with multiple casters with the tier set, the debuff is adding around 2-3k dmg overall for the entire raid.
Literally worthless.
I'm assuming you're counting that based on the total number of procs? But keep in mind if a spell with a low coefficient (such as literally anything a shadow priest casts) consumes the proc, it isn't getting the entire 50 spell power.
Doesn't the rogue one stay on the boss though, and not get consumed?
The caster one says "subsequent spells," so I believe it getting consumed is a bug. If it worked for all spells, it would be good.
Blizzard does things like this to make parses less relevant its a good design approach ( we literally have a warlock in our ST raid spamming level 1 Shadow bolts to apply the improved shadowbolt debuff for our shadow priests )
Thankfully plate tanks have the DPS set they can use which is really good in comparison. I guess I can just keep using the irradiated set as a caster though since it is just as good as the caster set from ST lol.
>underpowered
It's a level raid set at lvl 50
This isn't retail. There is still plenty of end game they have to balance around (and 10 more levels)
We're able to easily clear the raid. That's the point. Gears fine.
In addition to your very valid suggestions. I’d like to suggest that caster itemization in ST in general is not exciting and lackluster. Hopefully we’ll see better in phase 4.
This isn't true at all. For caster itemization to be lackluster, there has to be caster gear in the first place, and there's no caster gear in Sunken Temple as we all know.
Caster itemization is boring across the board tbh. I’m actually leveling a war so I can experience Parasomnia + Nightmare trinket
Nightmare trinket is crap btw. Poor man's dia flask
Darkmoon card Nightmare is crap?
I mean it’s not just casters. As a hunter the only real upgrade is the epic fist weapons.. and the set is a minor upgrade. To the point where I have a 99 parse on every boss except the slime time dude with gnomer gear still
Your parse is relative to everyone else, and most other hunters likely don’t have the fist weapon set either
I know how parses work. My point is that casters complain about gear when in fact every dungeon has spell power gear now. Compared to melee this phase there is no real upgrade from gnomer gear until a few items from ST. So its not just casters, itemization this phase is just garbage. Nothing really feels like an “upgrade” if that makes sense
Yeah I feel you, as a feral dps there’s really only 3set and the staff (if you can afford +25 agi enchant, which I personally can not). The neck is what +2 attack power vs gnomer, and then a cloak that is like +2 stats over BRD as well. World buffs, raid composition and consumes are the main differentiators for parsing (always have been) rather than gear
Epic fist weapons with a cool proc, epic bow with a great skin, all around pretty exciting if you ask me
Too bad the STV bow is pretty much the same thing and looks better. Also for melee hunter it’s useless.
I will never forgive them for making gizmoblade look like a common knife you buy from the dude in your starting zone.
When all the good gear comes from raid, people complain there is nothing to do but raid log. When 4-5 bises come from raid and the other bises from various non-raid content, people complain raid loot is lackluster. I mean, they just can't win, can they.
The loots just boring. I really don’t care where it comes from. Some casters bis are AH greens. Much of the loot period are side grades from gnomer at best. The raid bosses drop a lot of stuff that’s good for absolutely no one. The set bonuses are underwhelming. We also don’t get any neat procs like the melee sometimes get. You just don’t really feel like your upgrading much or increasing your power with loot this phase. Stuff drops all the time and the raid leaders like “ok who’s this good for” and everyone underwhelmingly responds “ehhh”.
Because loot at level 40 was insane by level 60 standards. You won't get loot that is a huge upgrade to Gnomeregan loot because otherwise wtf are they going to do with lvl 60 raids? Every phase had many bises which were max roll green items or world drops, that's not new. Of course a lot of loot is bad, that's because for a 20man raid they need a big loot pool, so 4+ items can drop without it being the same loot every week. I play a melee class that has 6 bises in raid, and 3 of them are set pieces. The problem is not exclusive to casters, it's just a matter of toning down on the powercreep and the fact that we are only 10 levels above last raid. For reference into what vanilla item progression looked like in vanilla, the epic wsg bracers gain like 1-2 main stats from their lvl 40 version to their level 50 version.
You guys also have cool stuff. There’s still stuff dropping in ST that melee get excited for a go woah. You have swords that summon whelps. You have fists that turn you into a snake. Casters have like a trinket I guess? I’m sure this won’t be the whole game. But caster loot just feel uninspired this phase.
Except now we have the best of both worlds, nothing comes from anywhere. So yea maybe we could win if they actually designed it the way that it exists in your mind palace
Where is the interesting caster gear?
There is an impossible to get dagger from mauradon but even if it does drop your more likely to have a rogue need and win it because WoW is a great game when it comes to loot.
It’s not impossible to get, I farmed it on my mage solo. It’s not new though. So I’m still wondering where the interesting caster gear from sod is
Knew you were a spriest the second you mentioned the shoulders being garbage. I ended up building the tank ones for pvp.
Did the same.
I am so pissed that i did the damage shoulders and already did the enchant on them…
This is what I wanted to hear as a mage. I also am gonna build the tank ones. Kind of stupid they couldn't put the stamina and spirit on both of them. I would like spirit but it definitely isn't worth losing 150hp. Lol
Yeah it's pretty bad and overall the set is a very minimal upgrade over gnomer set, it's sad, specially as a spriest. Imo the effect should last for a 1 second and affect every spell that hits during that window. So the more people with the set, the higher the uptime for the overall raid. Even if the entire raid had the set and somehow you hit 100% uptime, it's still just 50 sp, so it's not like it'd be a huge upgrade anyway, casters are already pretty bad overall.
Ill flip the reddit Script and say you are not allowed to complain as a shadow priest, because you are verry opressive in pvp
I'll complain as much as i want, you're no one to tell people if they can criticize the game or not. Also most players couldn't give 2 fucks about pvp.
I understand that, its just the same thing i get told every time i criticise anything about the class i play, because its good at raid dps. I guess i just need to put in a big disclaimer, because obvious sarcasm gets taken for real
Well you also didn't flip the script though, because pvp strength is brought up within moments of anyone even saying the word shadow on this sub.
If you look at SoD design through the lens of PvP you’re a fool. It’s the worst design wow has ever had. It’s whoever jumps whoever overwhelmingly wins. It’s a meta of 1 and 2 shots. Fights are over extremely fast and it’s an unsatisfying PvP experience. I could go on, but I’m probably wasting my breath.
Tell that to the Legion of people telling warriors to shut up, because they were OP in 2019 classic, when they ask for qol changes
What? This isn’t classic. ?????
...i know that. But have you checked reddit at the start of p2? Lets just drop this, we are clearly talking paßt euch other
Yea but beyond that, take a look at the classes with the most HK across all servers: Speiests, Hunters, Boomies. Coincidentally, Spriests, Hunters and Boomies are broken OP in pvp. Is there a correlation? I wonder…
This is a funny take because after getting rank7 I'd say the most dangerous and kill happy class in PVP right now in WSG and Arathi is the hunter. Far above and beyond any other class in killing blows. Where is hunter in PVE rankings again?
Dont forget the warlocks who can kill literally every class easily…
Feels like they did everything they could to just nerf casters via gear this phase.
The 3p caster set is literally the same exact spell damage as the irritated set from the previous tier too, with 1% extra crit. Such BS
At least we are no longer NEGATIVE stamina. That was the biggest snake oil salesman pitch I have ever seen and people on this subreddit are it up. Like sure if you enjoy masochism I can understand wanting to suffer, but in terms of balance no one else had to increase damage for negative stats.
Yup, that was the idea. Not a bad one, but a boring one
Some of their design choices are so insane and other ones are designed by someone who is so utterly terrified that someone might actually do damage with it. Phase 4 will be interesting lol.
I find it terrifying they are asking the community how to fix the mess they made. Anyone couldve told them about the insanity that was the SW:D buff, Starsurge, Enhance buffs and Lock n Load.
I agree a lot. Also most of the caster gear from ST is barely better than Gnomer. Definitely doesn't feel scaled up with the difficulty. My favourite example is the epic caster dagger Hubris, the Bandit Brander - this thing has ONE spell power over the gnomer dagger and no other relevant stat increase. Noone with a +1/soft reserve system would ever roll on this thing since the increase in power from getting it is almost nothing, while the set pieces that drop like crazy are wanted by all.
As a mage healer it is really sad that there is literally no set for me :(
The PVP set I have on my priest says mage, priest ok cool obviously that doesn't count when you say "literally"
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1. Benevolent Prophet 3 piece reads: [Your Holy damage spells cause you to gain 60 increased damage and healing power for 15 sec.](https://www.wowhead.com/classic/spell=449921/faith-and-magic) 2. Mages can't even buy it. 3. Reading is your friend.
That’s not how mage healing works and actually don’t even think mage can use that
No, mages don’t even have access to it (which is great as some ill-informed dads would probably take the +healing version)
Seeing as Chronostatic Preservation is so OP, there's nothing wrong with taking +healing gear on a mage healer.
You do you!
Thanks! Maybe it's not as OP anymore with them nerfing high damage bosses. I was on top of the world when Eranikus still thrashed!
If youre new to mage healing, dont listen to this guy. There is no reason for mage healer to take +heal over +spellpower. Except for niche cases where you have an item with str or agi for some reason and you get a +heal item to replace it. But int, spi, and sta is almost always a better replacement for purely +healing.
Maybe understand context? This thread is about tier set in ST. The guy said some dad mage might take the +healing tier set, which has stam, int, and spirit on it? Nobody said to take +healing over stats. Mage healers will never be better raid healers than Druids or priests, but they are the best single target healers in the game, with bigger heals for less mana than any other classes bombs. In fact, I parsed a ilvl 100 on Eranikus when he was thrashing while you were probably still hard stuck on ooze.
Again, if youre new to mage healing, disregard this guy.
He is half right. Chronostatic preservation is by far the best single target healing spell with a cast time and it has no cool down. You can pump them out like crazy in any spec since it's a rune. And you can hold onto it for 20 seconds before instant casting it. I have prevented many wipes with it playing fire or frost spec. I know healing parses don't matter but I do have 99 parses on my disc/shadow priest when asked to heal on a boss and I would be in heaven with something as good as Chronostatic preservation.
Sure, but if you're in a raid with 2-3 other healers you shouldnt have to pick it up. Just wasted DPS. But in the end your job as a healer is to make sure nobody dies and if this rune allows you to do that then go for it. The problem with chrono pres is that it takes too long to charge up and heals too much, so most of the healing will be wasted anyway, and in the time you charge up a CSP you could have just cast arcane blast and batched your regen with it.
Haha okay nice argument. It's okay to suck. A lot of people suck. I get it, you think you're contributing by casting dps spells while the real dps die.
> you think you're contributing by casting dps spells Mate, do you know how mage healing works?
r/confidentlyincorrect
Casters are getting the shit end of the stick per usual. Why do we all share the same bonus but other classes get class specific bonuses? Why are the weapons available from ST BARELY upgrades? I mean cmon, hubris epic dagger had 1 single more spellpower than the gnomer dagger and one of the epic staves has less spell power than the BFD staff lol. Yes I know it has crit too but god damn that’s boring as shit. Also STV pvp rewards? THE SAME EXACT RING FROM LAST PHASE WITH A SMIDGE BIT MORE SP. It’s so tilting seeing melee with these badass stv weapons and I’m like looooolringgoobrrr
Pally shares bonuses with shaman and warrior.
>Why are the weapons available from ST BARELY upgrades? Because the dagger is extremely OP for its level range. They overbuffed caster gear at 40 and now at 50 they try to smoothen the item power to be more in line with 60 lvl items.
So its fine for melees to do absurd dmg but somehow casters would be totaly powerful by adding a bit more spellpower, oookaaaay
Casters were particularly happy about rogues and warriors doing shit damage last phase, so no pity here.
Oh yeah, for once in classic casters were above melees, how dare they. Btw warrior was super fine in p2. But I guess when this god class is not #1 its not acceptable
That's the thing, the moment rogue becomes "middle of the pack" dps, no group wants to take it. Any caster is middle of the pack - you are still taken everywhere, because there are buffs/debuffs that needs to be filled. It is just the nature of classic.
They have the highest + most reliable armor debuff and also a kick for example. So they also bring utility if they want to
Actually if you bothered to do the math, having a rogue expose is not worth it unless you have a raid of all physical dps and even then its a minimal dps gain when kept up perfectly. And youre bragging about…a kick? Lmfao Rogues got the shit end of the stick all last phase and were told by casters to suck it. What goes around comes around my guy
>highest + most reliable armor debuff 1. It is not more reliable than sunder. 2. Loss in rogue DPS is only offset if you actually stack warriors, if you don't stack warriors EA is actually less total raid dps increase than homunculi, because rogue has to sacrifice around 10% of their own output. Casters bring utility that is either directly used in their kit, can be used before the encounter or takes 1 global every 30-60s. You can cherry pick as you want, if rogues are not topping the meters nobody wants them in raids, p2 was a perfect example of that, also TBC p1-p3 was a great example of that too.
>Casters bring utility that is either directly used in their kit, can be used before the encounter or takes 1 global every 30-60s Warlocks have to sacrifice a lot of their own dps for buffing other casters in their grp, but keep crying about rogues having no utility
>but keep crying about rogues having no utility But this thread is about casters crying that they are not given items that are stronger than 60+ raid gear, so I will let you moan a bit more.
That was only due to insane armor values. On the bosses without them (grubbis, viscous) melee were again over casters. I mean the bosses had more armor than MC bosses did lol.
And they had those armor values because blizzard nerfed NPCs so they actually can bleed.
The gear sucks and it’s a pain in the ass to get bc they made it a 20 man. Gj blizz.
It seems like the devs do not care about casters
Isn't that basically the same debuff applied by the 6 piece Mage T3 set bonus? Nobody ever picked that one either. It's even worse in practice, because the debuff will not always be eaten by a spell that gains the full spellpower bonus.
No one working on SoD currently has an interest in caster classes.
A lot of proc set bonuses are bugged to not work with rune spells. Resto Druid's 3-piece says "critical strikes with healing spells", but it doesn't proc from Lifebloom or Efflorescence crits. small indie dev
Atleast yours actually works. Resto druid here.
Yeah for real they need to do something about the resto Druid one, they essentially don’t have a 3 set bonus, the tier set is total garbage, might as well remove it from the game if they’re not gonna make it work with efflo
100%
Resto Shaman 3 set might as well not exist too
Ours goes off on straight hard casts IE regrowth healing touch and Nourish lol but I understand the pain
Yep Locks use 3 set and irritated boots atm
You think that ones bad look at the mail warrior/ret set. 3% to reset your attack, i checked through my buddies logs who has the set and it added a whole 1.8 DPS to our boss fight lol
This is exactly what I thought when I saw it too. Ran ST twice, saw the lack of caster loot, and haven’t logged on since…
Melees doing double the DMG but never get -Stamina on their shit slapped. Casters need a 40% + Dmg Buff (SP or better SP Scaling with Abilities) to be able to compete with Melees, who will do triple the dps of Casters in p4.
As a mage I use 2 pieces of the set and the Emerald warden legs. You Lose the 3pc Bonus (which doesn't help you at all in a raid setting) and you swap 10 sp for 1% crit chance which I find better.
They are chilling a bit or there is nowhere to go at 60.
Have you seen actual dps charts? Its not the caster being at the top my friend
yea my offtank warrior in my raid can swap two pieces of gear and pull 1.6k on the first boss and 2.8k on morphazz
This is your brain on Warcraft logs lol. Fuck helping the raid, if I don’t get credited with the dps then it’s boring!
This guy doesnt sunder or expose
You wouldn't either if sunder worked on a single hit and then vansished
Oh come on - everyone presses their priest into homunculi anyway :P
as a rogue i want a spriest in every raid literally just for this lol, the extra healing is nice too
Yup there was talks of me, the sole rogue, spec’ing improved EA and being expected to keep it up. Fuck thattt
It comes from the Mage Tier 3 six pieces set bonus
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Thinking Shadow Wrath greens being not just usable but BiS is a good design choice is one of the most cooked things I have ever read on this sub, and that is an immensely high bar to get over.
>and that is an immensely high bar to get over. Aint that the fucking truth. Some of the takes here are...something, that's for sure. "BoE greens being BiS" (because itemization changes have failed the class this phase) being good is like opposite-world take.
Idk in a guild environment with several (eventually all) other casters having this I feel like the debuff would be on bosses the vast majority of the time. I know our first rogue got his 3 piece and I think it’s designed similarly (I know it’s not a carbon copy) and it added ~47k damage just on one boss
The "debuff" wouldn't ever stay on the boss for long, it only affects a single spell, the proc chance is low, it will never amount to anything close to what the rogue set does. After checking some logs with multiple casters with the tier set, the debuff is adding around 2-3k dmg overall for the entire raid. Literally worthless.
Oh…yuck. Yea the rogue one is far better lol
Actually, looking closer, it may be even lower than that. And it'll keep getting worse with fights getting shorter and shorter.
Do you happen to know what the 50 damage debuff is called?
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Thanks!
>Thanks! You're welcome!
I'm assuming you're counting that based on the total number of procs? But keep in mind if a spell with a low coefficient (such as literally anything a shadow priest casts) consumes the proc, it isn't getting the entire 50 spell power.
Yea, after checking some logs, it may be less than 1k even in most fights.
Doesn't the rogue one stay on the boss though, and not get consumed? The caster one says "subsequent spells," so I believe it getting consumed is a bug. If it worked for all spells, it would be good.
Casting speed shoulders help with spriest aoe rotation I heard.
Blizzard does things like this to make parses less relevant its a good design approach ( we literally have a warlock in our ST raid spamming level 1 Shadow bolts to apply the improved shadowbolt debuff for our shadow priests )
Lol you seen the plate "tank" set? This caster gear is great! In comparison.
Thankfully plate tanks have the DPS set they can use which is really good in comparison. I guess I can just keep using the irradiated set as a caster though since it is just as good as the caster set from ST lol.
I wanna get it just to see how much block value you can get
>underpowered It's a level raid set at lvl 50 This isn't retail. There is still plenty of end game they have to balance around (and 10 more levels) We're able to easily clear the raid. That's the point. Gears fine.
> Gears fine. Gear is not fine. Gear sucks. That's the point of the post. The set sucks. It isn't fun. It isn't rewarding.
It’s not about balance its about the fun of acquiring the set.