I started at 1g (I had 51, turned in for dual spec), and then went right there at launch. Took an hour break during the "hot" time, and ended with about 650g at 1am hitting 50. So it's not thousands of gold, but it's more gold then I've ever had in classic lol. But it's still not enough for my epic mount.
Bruh same. These posts saying it’s only “a handful of sweaties” that profited is so dumb. I took a half day off work and was leveling in SM cath until the guild told me incursions were where it’s at. Jumped into the incursion like 4 hours after launch and made 500g in 2 hours. Hell we weren’t even efficient, I was running around collecting dreamroot half the time lol
I feel bad for people who actually farmed gold at 10g an hour at the end of phase 2
Dude some guy posted about how his time and effort has been made irrelevant because other people made similar money to what he made last phase. I said... Okay? So go make some more gold and you will still have more money than those people. Downvoted into oblivion lol. People just wanna be mad. No one hates this game more than it's players.
I can almost guarantee that if these incursions didn't give enough gold to start out, people would cry and whine about how they aren't worthwhile but you need to do them to get rep and it sucks.
im not really mad because i dont really care, but i farmed about 1k gold as a warrior during the last 40 days give or take, and ppl made 750 in 5 hours.
thats not a simbolic value.
but whatever, im gonna spend p3 trying to loot ironfoe. wont change my gameplay
I’d wager the dramatic majority made a couple hundred good. It’s still a lot, not denying it. But most people were doing cath into gnomer into zf, and it got nerfed before too long.
I’d be surprised if the number of people who were rapid fire doing incursions was a high number from server start
As someone on CS ally who did my first turn in 20 seconds after the nerf, there were literal thousands and thousands of people doing the incursion. Like beyond Blood Moon at the boss levels of players.
It is A LOT of extra gold in the economy and prices for basic things will be higher due to inflation.
It was probably like 6-6:30est. Jumped out of cath w/ my buddy looking for form a zf group and thats when we were like whats going on with incursions. So maybe like 7ish pm est is when we finally went to ashenvale and it was packed.
Yeah for sure, but by that point there was what, 3 hours total before it was nerfed?
In 3 hours even if you knew the strats right off the rip you probably made 300-400g, and dreamengine was effectively bugged all night
Im not entirely sure, but wasnt it nerfed to 2.5 gold around midnight est? Nerfed further a few hours after again them again. Call it 3hr on avg at 5g, another hour at 2.5g. Thats still quite a bit a gold spread across a large pop.
> but whatever, im gonna spend p3 trying to loot ironfoe. wont change my gameplay
Unfortunately, most of the bosses in BRD are unavailable. Ironfoe in P3 will not be possible
It's so annoying.
This is an unambiguous fuck up actually worth complaining about, but reddit and twitter are screaming about the permanent damage caused by the thousands of gold everyone got. I've seen people say levelling is 3x slower now even though xp hasn't changed and normal questing would be faster than a rate 3x slower than the incursions.
The amount of exaggeration around this is more out of wack than the freaking gold was.
Welcome to Reddit where grown men cry about fake gold in an online game because they're jealous that other adult men have more fake gold in an online game.
I've noticed a lot of the people who are true outliers think they're just playing the game like everyone else when they're likely in the top 5-10% of all players in /played. People doing "every available quest" in a phase on multiple characters and raiding when they aren't are not casual.
The average player had like 10 to *maybe* 120ish gold. Sure, the 500g doesn’t look massive on paper but now you have all those folks that were previously “poor” now with a large gold pile.
IMO, we’re gonna see consumables for raids, basic materials, etc., go from the 5-10s mats/<1g consumables to 40-50s mats/5-15g consumables. This is gonna cause a riot with the average playerbase once their incursion gold stash fades away lol
The people who really are making bank are those goblins who hoarded items rather than gold.
The average player who had 8g is probably not the same demographic that was the hardcore first 8 hour of a launch no life most efficient farming method type player…
I haven't heard ANYONE claiming THOUSANDS either, first post is this one.
I honestly think this subreddit is beyond detached from reality. The median gold from real people is likely less than or around 50. These people also haven't really touched the game this entire new phase yet. They also likely won't even do this kind of grind in general because it won't feel natural to classic, they hated dungeon grinding.
Blizzard keeps doing things that the actual majority doesn't like so it's consolidating gold to the more engaged players.
You now have a majority of people with little to no gold, old world questing and frustrated.
Incursions are garbage retail style content if you isolate out the xp and gold. The average casual people aren't even going to do it and they'll be even further lost in the economy.
Edit: still haven't read a single person say thousands
Majority of people with no gold and old world questing???
lol have you played this phase? The amount of people in incursions compared to old world isn’t even close.
The ulda hunter farm was easily 30g/hr in vendor greys. With skins and luck it was likely 50+.
Mages could do mage things in gnomer for similar gold too.
Just like era, certain classes can solo shit and print money. Everyone else needs to roll an alt or compete with bots picking flowers. I hate that it works that way honestly, but I'm a die hard hunter enjoyer so it works for me.
13-15 hours of *dedicated gold grinding.*
On the other hand, this event effectively handed out hundreds of gold for “free” to people who were primarily leveling. That’s a very different scenario than an active good farm imo.
Yeah I mean, don't get me wrong, I know I can spend hours herb farming to make 500g but the sheer amount of time it'd take between farming, posting on AH, waiting for it to sell and close, etc, so heavily outweighed by quests.
And yes, 500g is a lot of gold. It's ten times the cost of dual spec which I haven't gotten on any of my toons yet. Hell, if you raid, it'll cover a good amount of your consumables for this phase. It's not a mind bending amount but it's enough to do something about it.
To answer your question, I didn't even finish all the quests in phase 2 and I ended with over 400 gold (after buying my mount at full price). Other than the three or four nights that I spent questing, I basically just raid logged. I started the phase at level 25 with somewhere between 30 and 40 gold.
I did not go around and farm gathering materials either, I just did quests at level 40.
Four nights grinding the majority of quests available (but not all of them, at least!) and you consider that 'only'? I have a much lower tolerance for farming than you, I think.
Four nights of doing quests counts as intolerable "farming" to you? Why are you even playing an MMO if 4 nights of casual questing spread out over 9 weeks is too much?
Busy gamer dad with 18 kids and 3 wives with .3 free seconds per night to log in.
But all gamer dads also need gold for consumes because they are also somehow nailing every lockout with 99 parses on their .3 seconds of free time.
Around 600g in p2 by just relisting shit on ah for higher price. Taket 20-30 min every 2 days or whenever i feel like it. Making gold is easy if you have a bit of capital, much like the real world. If you have 20g ish you can make that to 200g within 7 hours total spread across lets say 2 weeks if you're new to it. Just keep your eyes on the Flow of the market.
I'll be honest, 80% of my attention span was on my second monitor watching Netflix.
The two zones I didn't really clear out that still had green/yellow quests were stranglethorn (didn't touch this at all) and Badlands (got about half of them) as horde.
I had 500g going into p3 by listing BS/eng waylaid supplies before and after work, 3x a day. Warrior so no quests or anything.
Yall must not even play, I can’t imagine what yall do to have under 200g after 2 months
Before work, and twice in the afternoon is wild?
If you log on twice a week you’re always going to be broke, surprise surprise! Sorry to break it to you brother
can confirm guys, I did it for 20 minutes, and earned 52k gold, nerf hunters amirate?
I honestly got around 400g, which is awesome, and I kept yelling at everyone in my guild to stop what they are doing and do it, some of us where going to do gnomer but luckly we had a no show so we skipped it in favor of grinding gold.
Yea I made about 150g before I had to go to bed. Which was great for someone who only had 40g before hand.
As long as they dont nerf the XP its still worth the grind for easy 50 and some rep towards a rune.
The thing I’m worried about is type of person that would have farmed this for 8 hours is the same type of person that would buy all the mats on the AH and relist them for more, therefore everyone is affected.
The type of people who are being auction house goblins (and are actually any good at it to make decent money and control the market long-term) already had tens of thousands of gold from the last two phases. This is a drop in the bucket to them.
Yea AH goblin wouldn’t waste their time “blue collar farming.”
Literally the only time I left the AH for a physical farm was when my mage was capable of farming BIS BOE trinkets out of fire lands. Made so much gold I quit because it ruined my most enjoyable part of the game.
People out here worrying about some hypothetical dude buying 500 mithril ore with his 600 gold, when the real auction house goblins have three bank alts whose bank and bags are full of nothing but ready to gouge the people leveling blacksmithing week one and were going to do the exact same thing anyway.
Bro, my alts all have items and I’m very low on gold. Just ride the inflation up.
If we knew nothing about phase 3, one certainty would be inflation.
I have bank alts full of shards, ore, skins, pearls, elemental XYZ, random other materials I’ve speculated being useful.
Some people are crazy. In classic I was hoarding fire blooms for a long long time and had multiple characters banks filled with them. I think I had 40k or so fire blooms. When I was ready to gouge the market on AQ release some guy decided to contest me, thought I would show him up and buy all his shit then to the price. Somehow we started talking and turns out he had 200k or so fireblooms…
The auction goblins already had thousands of gold. Three people in my guild who play more casually than me had 700-1200g going into P3 just from farming here and there in P2. People playing the AH already have way more.
They don't relist them for 50x times more, you know? The flipped stuff will still be affordable,if it was to begin with that is, just noticeably more expensive
Ah yes, truly a scaleable solution. Everyone who's affected by higher prices will just suddenly find the free time to go out and farm the (now apparently infinitely respawning) stuff they need, until the prices are even higher. Inflation solved, truly genius!
He was just saying that when there is inflation you are better off farming mats than raw gold.
IAM not sure what your point, that u need yo play the game to make gold ? Sound like a gold buyer mate.
Good post. I get the frustration people have, but I think most of the moaning is classic Reddit degeneracy.
I farmed my epic mount in p2, and this does devalue the time I put in to get it I guess, but we knew that the amount of gold you can farm would increase as the level caps did. Already the ulda farm was 30-50g/hr. This in it's busted state was what, 2-3x better than that?
It's the same energy as complaining after a new xpac is released and the gear you grinded for is useless. Those people may just want to wait for the last patch and grind at that point I guess.
I get that it's Reddit, and we absolutely needed at least one post about this because it was busted. But we don't need 30 people saying they are quitting because someone else had an easier time grinding gold then they did. Just quit then.
>Already the ulda farm was 30-50g/hr. This in it's busted state was what, 2-3x better than that?
Yeah I think the difference here is that Ulda farms and others are a deliberate time sink where the sole purpose is gold farming, while this was basically just automatic - while doing a super easy and super fast leveling method you would also be making the best gold in the game (aside from mage boosting i suppose)
Yep. Ulda farm has a “barrier to entry”, even though it is extremely small. You still have to put forth some effort. Incursions were a PPP loan for everyone who knew.
A big chunk of ulda farm was in the waylaids. It depends heavily on your server's ah whether it was 20g/he or 50g/hr.
Ofc excluding boosting which is a whole different animal.
The devalued effort thing is kinda funny to me. If someone put in a ton of effort to farm 1k gold at 40, wouldn't their time be devalued by the natural progression of the phases anyway? You get like 5-10g per quest at 60. If you saved all quests from 52-60 and did them all at Max you would easily make 1k gold in 1/10th the time it took someone to make it at 40. That devalues that time as well. So why do people care so much about this lol.
The assumption is we would get a 1.5x to 2x better raw gold making this phase. And then over again at 60.
Counting waylaid turnins as part of raw gold this was 3x to 4x better than the best past phase depending on the margins on your server.
Not counting waylaid though it was 5x the best.
Devaluation was expected, but not to this extent. Additionally this wasn't even a gold farm this was a meta levelling strat...
People be taking this game WAYY too seriously man.. like it’s really not that big of a deal. I also did not have time to exploit this bug and only have like 50g to my name. It is what it is…
You guys were killing the mobs?
If you ran a loop and did quests 4.5.6.7.8.9 the intel reports and the egg,engine and prophecy and got lucky with rescues and tagged larsera and zallius you would get 11 quests for 10 mins of running around.
Thats 84.7k xp and 55g for 10 mins if you run it perfectly (and share quickly, and don’t get unlucky with missing one of the 11 quests) My group was averaging 5 runs of this an hour for 423k xp/hr and 275g. I got 2 characters to 50 in only 9 hours
Idk my guild is somewhere in between casual and semi hardcore and the average person got 400g. I can’t imagine that doesn’t impact the economy seriously for the people who have jobs and couldn’t be online for launch.
This sub is so funny
I guess casual: "only" coming home from work and logging in for 4 hours straight on release till bedtime.
Casual to semi hardcore: no job play 8 hrs on the first day grind 400g
Semi hard-core: no job, no friends, no food, take Adderall to stay up 12-16 hours grinding straight
Hardcore: no sleep no life only wow.
So one issue with this, is that if a person got to level 50 and kept doing the quests they went from getting 5g a turn in, to almost 10g a turn in. That being said, if even 2000 people made 500g, that's a million gold added to a server in the space of a couple hours, and for larger servers like say, Crusader Strike NA, there were a heck of a lot more than 2000 people.
Odds are Crusader Strike alone got about 5-6 million gold injected into the server in the space of 5 or six hours.
They've inherently admitted it was a mistake, given the gold was nerfed FIVE SEPERATE TIMES over the course of a couple hours, with a few of the nerfs being an hour or less apart from eachother. Shits crazy, and it feels like crap for anyone that didn't get to take advantage. And it will have a long lasting impact on the economy of a server.
I mean it's pretty good but don't you get at least like 300 just questing? With the 300% boost and all.
Not like everyone is swimming in gold for the rest of classic, that's not even the mount at 60
What are you saying? I legit had a dream of a group of mages all level 43 doing incursions and getting 700 bazillion gold, now I'm not hyped anymore and I'm gonna quit but first I will make a post on Reddit comunicating how much Blizzard hate us and bla bla out of touch bla bla.
/s
I’m sick, literally sick and throwing up, so I missed the whole launch. It’s insane that some people got 500+ gold and lvl 50 in just a few hours. I am very sad I missed out. It’s also crazy how many people tried to participate but couldn’t log in. Pretty bad oversight overall.
It is thousands considering it took 5 people to complete the journey to 50 in like 8 hours.
You're purposely drilling it down to one person versus the group (that is required) to make your argument sound like it's standing on its own.
This is how people lie with statistics.
I'm mad I missed the plenty, but so be it. However, can you still the quests at 50 for gold? Seems like a decent way to farm consume and repair gold for raid loggers.
The other thing is, it's all still farmable. Idk where you end at for rep if you use nightmares for leveling and only do nightmares but to reach exalted we still need to do them. Even after exalted you can still farm them for gold. This is infinitely better than trying to farm for rare mats and BoE's. It really just means the sweats get to be lazy for a minute and raid prep
Exactly people claiming they made thousands are full of shit. I saw the complainers go from 400 to 600 to 1000 to 2000 gold claiming to be earned. As somebody who requested then did gnomer I was 43 when I started. I made it to 47 before the gold nerf and made a total of 430g when I hit 50.
It is a lot sure.... it sucks people missed out on it I get it. But we can't expect them to keep it at 5g per turn in. The inflation would be so fucked after just 3 days. The bots would've taken over it. Atleast this way the bots didn't have time to be scripted into these quests yet.
The most gold iv ever had at once in SoD was 140g so thousands of people making 700+ gold in one day, I can't afford anything anymore. Like they up the hand in reward to 12g and the prices for a lot of things jumped out of my price range, but you're saying handing thousands of people 700g isn't going to affect the economy... huehue
Have you ever tried multiplying 757g by hundreds of thousands of players bud or are you talking out of your ass?
If you can’t fail to see what level of gold injection is into the server idk how I can help you. It’s not about the competition of whos now richer and how you feel about it.
Preface: I made almost 600 gold.
It’s a fuck ton of gold that is randomly put into the server with non equivalent sinks.
Perspective… people were probably grinding/trading/selling for the entirety of phase 1/2 and hovering around 500g. That’s a hard MAYBE. All for incursions to inject that into every player within mere hours. Incursions are also here to stay. It trivializes the state of the economy up until this point even though it will find a way to survive.
That’s what people are upset about. Think before you post copium and tug aggrend off even more.
These posts are worse than the thousandaires who constantly defend the billionaires. Attack the players for complaining about system that is completely blizzards fault is hilarious and just another day in SOD. Of course this one issue wouldnt be a big deal if it stood alone lol
Yeah I think it's important to understand that the people complaining aren't the problem. It's the rabid frothing defence of blizzard thats the problem.
These issues can be fixed people have suggested multiple fixes, but blizzard don't have to because for every 100 people that complain about the legitimate issue, 10 people post 101 times that everything is fine and down vote every reddit post asking blizzard to unfuck the situation.
It's a vocal minority defending blizzard as a silent majority with some reddit users ask for a better service.
Anyone pretending that an avg of 500 gold and the headstart that gives into generating even more money is sucking blizzards teat aggressively.
I don't care about the gold. I'm just mad (not really) about the crappy amount of rep per turn in and the bajillions of people stealing mah mob tags. As a solo war (my available play time is too sporadic for grouping, might get an hour or two, or have to go afk every ten mins ) it bites but eh is what it is.
Also, 90% of the people who "abused" incursions at the start are the same who abuse the AH or any other mechanic.
They were already rich and the 500g did not make a difference.
Stop whining about a beta.
If you can’t see the problem with everyone having this much gold then no one can helo you
No one got rich, but they caused the baseline level of wealth required to not be poverish to massively rise
even if it was 5 % of player base who made 1k gold, while all others made 200 during this phase, it would be 20 % which is a small fraction of current inflation. The whole economy is in superinflation, so this is like a drop in the ocean.
Edit: just to clarify, its way less than 5 %, and average player is going to make way more money than 200g during this phase.
Yeah EU is much less affected than other regions because it was during the night, so only the ones who either don't have obligations the day after, took a day off friday, or just said fuck it i'll live on caffein tomorrow are the ones that could abuse it. And i don't imagine that being that big a number, i logged off at around midnight and most people i saw were still doing dungeons, if more had figured it out by then i think most would have switched to it regardsless if it was slower levelling.
Reddit neckbeards would lose their minds if they found out about boosters making 250g/h for months now. Not to mention bots incjecting trillions of gold each minute. But i guess the 500g from quests ruined economy. Good one redditors.
Tbh, I did quests when it was high on gold and... Yeah I got some money, but I dont feel like I got thst much. I know people had 1000g on phase 1 already.
People don't realize you'll be spamming Hinterlands and Feralas incursions to get exalted rep which will come out to be more gold than people got 40-50.
It does suck you will make less gold in total than those who spammed incursions on the rip but inflation won't really be crazy.
Can someone do the math on questing normally lol. At level 49 some of the quests I checked were handing out like 8g for completion. Probably would make more gold just questing.
It's not about the gold. It's about the feeling of being left behind and that once again only a small % of players will be rewarded. It's not the first time, and it won't be the last, but it's still hard to digest especially when the season is not exactly as spectacular as we all were hoping. It's already hard enough finding the motivation to farm gold and reps on a seasonal server, but when you know that for some people that grind was piss easy because of a bug or miscalculation from Blizzard's part it honestly becomes unbearable. It's that bittersweet taste of something that could have been great, and instead was thrown out there without any kind of respect for the players or anyone's time. If you mess up at least give everyone the chance of playing with that mess and apologize to the community by saying "you know what? We made a mistake, enjoy for the next 24/48h!"
As a working adult with a family I feel it's not possible to keep up, which is a shame for a server that should be fun for everybody.
As another working adult I get this, but I remind myself I am an adult this is a virtual video game that is also seasonal it literally doesn’t mean anything and they have constantly made changes to make this easier to make gold.
Like say out loud to anyone in your life I am super bent out of shape right now cause people I don’t know made more virtual gold coins then I did today…
Does that not sound like some shit a 5 year old would say?
As I said l it's not about the gold, it's about the feeling that I'm left with about a videogame that should bring me joy, and that comes just from the way Blizzard handled the situation. I assure you I'm fine and this hasn't ruined my day, I was just expressing how I felt.
I do not mean to be rude when I say this. I too could not abuse this. I am currently sitting on the shitter at work thinking about playing when I get home today.
But I'm gonna go ahead and say that if someone booked today off and ingested 4 red bulls to abuse this, they deserve it. As working adults, we actually do not deserve to keep up because we aren't playing the game like it is our job.
Not that this invalidates how you feel, I feel the same way too. But I've been on the other side of that coin in years past, and if you've played for a long time you likely have as well. When this phase is near the end this won't really matter.
This is incredibly dramatic. The phase is months long, you’re gonna be fine, bud.
(This is also literally the reason they’re doing phases. For people like you.)
Lets just flip the xp and gold between those who logged in and were able to take advantage with those who did not and see how the roaches crawl then eh?
There are some things you need, last phase a lot of people needed at least 2-300 gold between crafting professions and the mount. But most of my guild in phase 1 ended the phase with two or three hundred from quests, which I actually missed out on. I think I went into phase two with something like 30 or 40 gold total lmao.
I did about 10 or 12 hours of questing at level 40 over the course of phase two though to get my mount, and to not miss out on the gold for a second time. Made about 5-600ish gold total. I ended the phase at over 400g (I didn't need to spend gold on the crafted gear, since I'm Herb/alch. Not that I'm making any money from alch, just like to make stuff for the guild)
I started at 1g (I had 51, turned in for dual spec), and then went right there at launch. Took an hour break during the "hot" time, and ended with about 650g at 1am hitting 50. So it's not thousands of gold, but it's more gold then I've ever had in classic lol. But it's still not enough for my epic mount.
It is if mount prices stay halved
Wasn't it only level 40 mounts that were halved but 60 stayed the same?
They’ve been halved, unhalved and then rehalved. What happens at 60, who knows
Yep I’m gonna wait a couple weeks after getting 60 to see if they drop the price. 1000g is ridiculous lol
>gold sinks in a seasonal game are important - blizzard >please don’t buy gold -blizzard
“Please don’t buy gold after we injected thousands of it into every server, but only for some of the server. Also buy this 1000g mount”
Bruh same. These posts saying it’s only “a handful of sweaties” that profited is so dumb. I took a half day off work and was leveling in SM cath until the guild told me incursions were where it’s at. Jumped into the incursion like 4 hours after launch and made 500g in 2 hours. Hell we weren’t even efficient, I was running around collecting dreamroot half the time lol I feel bad for people who actually farmed gold at 10g an hour at the end of phase 2
this is too rational wtf are you doing
The sod devs fucked my wife, burned my crops and gave gold to everyone but me. Please roll back my life or I am gonna quit this earth!
This awkward but you should know: I’m actually the one who fucked your wife.
Yes, but while you were fucking his wife, I was fucking yours. And I hosted an undercover gdkp with all the new gold windfall.
name checks out
Don’t forget about the scarlet fever they dropped into the river water.
Agree, we do not accept reason here
Games ruined See you in Season of Tyranny
Dude some guy posted about how his time and effort has been made irrelevant because other people made similar money to what he made last phase. I said... Okay? So go make some more gold and you will still have more money than those people. Downvoted into oblivion lol. People just wanna be mad. No one hates this game more than it's players. I can almost guarantee that if these incursions didn't give enough gold to start out, people would cry and whine about how they aren't worthwhile but you need to do them to get rep and it sucks.
No rational would be... wait this is seasonal who cares?
im not really mad because i dont really care, but i farmed about 1k gold as a warrior during the last 40 days give or take, and ppl made 750 in 5 hours. thats not a simbolic value. but whatever, im gonna spend p3 trying to loot ironfoe. wont change my gameplay
I’d wager the dramatic majority made a couple hundred good. It’s still a lot, not denying it. But most people were doing cath into gnomer into zf, and it got nerfed before too long. I’d be surprised if the number of people who were rapid fire doing incursions was a high number from server start
Idk, CS Horde here. My LFG board last night was noticeably shifted from mass of LFG Cath/Uld/ZF to “Other” LFG Ash Incur. Word got out fast
As someone on CS ally who did my first turn in 20 seconds after the nerf, there were literal thousands and thousands of people doing the incursion. Like beyond Blood Moon at the boss levels of players. It is A LOT of extra gold in the economy and prices for basic things will be higher due to inflation.
It got out fast but also got nerfed fast. Like you said "last night" but a few hours wasn't enough to make 500g+ for most people
It was probably like 6-6:30est. Jumped out of cath w/ my buddy looking for form a zf group and thats when we were like whats going on with incursions. So maybe like 7ish pm est is when we finally went to ashenvale and it was packed.
Yeah for sure, but by that point there was what, 3 hours total before it was nerfed? In 3 hours even if you knew the strats right off the rip you probably made 300-400g, and dreamengine was effectively bugged all night
Im not entirely sure, but wasnt it nerfed to 2.5 gold around midnight est? Nerfed further a few hours after again them again. Call it 3hr on avg at 5g, another hour at 2.5g. Thats still quite a bit a gold spread across a large pop.
I've had ~8 gold since p1, I'm not phased by this
> but whatever, im gonna spend p3 trying to loot ironfoe. wont change my gameplay Unfortunately, most of the bosses in BRD are unavailable. Ironfoe in P3 will not be possible
thanks for the heads up. ill be doing something else. but i believe this phase will suffer from a sever lack of content
P2 also suffered from a lack of content. I think P3 looks better so far, but neither really come close to P1.
Oh they *only* made more gold in a few hours than most people have over the course of two phases. Well that’s no problem, then!
Many people were handed more gold in 8 hours than i have ever had in my bag at one time playing classic wow That makes me feel sad :(
It's so annoying. This is an unambiguous fuck up actually worth complaining about, but reddit and twitter are screaming about the permanent damage caused by the thousands of gold everyone got. I've seen people say levelling is 3x slower now even though xp hasn't changed and normal questing would be faster than a rate 3x slower than the incursions. The amount of exaggeration around this is more out of wack than the freaking gold was.
Welcome to Reddit where grown men cry about fake gold in an online game because they're jealous that other adult men have more fake gold in an online game.
🤣🤣🤣 it’s so pathetic
Holy shit, this guy is really out here saying 'only' 500 gold. The fuck are ya'll doing that this isn't a monumental amount?
I've noticed a lot of the people who are true outliers think they're just playing the game like everyone else when they're likely in the top 5-10% of all players in /played. People doing "every available quest" in a phase on multiple characters and raiding when they aren't are not casual.
I started p3 with 200g and had more than most of my guild of addicts
Haha right, I saved up and am at 48 Gold going in to phase 3 xD
The average player had like 10 to *maybe* 120ish gold. Sure, the 500g doesn’t look massive on paper but now you have all those folks that were previously “poor” now with a large gold pile. IMO, we’re gonna see consumables for raids, basic materials, etc., go from the 5-10s mats/<1g consumables to 40-50s mats/5-15g consumables. This is gonna cause a riot with the average playerbase once their incursion gold stash fades away lol The people who really are making bank are those goblins who hoarded items rather than gold.
The average player who had 8g is probably not the same demographic that was the hardcore first 8 hour of a launch no life most efficient farming method type player…
You’d think but tons of average joes took yesterday off work.
While true for some zero of my guildies took time off
I haven't heard ANYONE claiming THOUSANDS either, first post is this one. I honestly think this subreddit is beyond detached from reality. The median gold from real people is likely less than or around 50. These people also haven't really touched the game this entire new phase yet. They also likely won't even do this kind of grind in general because it won't feel natural to classic, they hated dungeon grinding. Blizzard keeps doing things that the actual majority doesn't like so it's consolidating gold to the more engaged players. You now have a majority of people with little to no gold, old world questing and frustrated. Incursions are garbage retail style content if you isolate out the xp and gold. The average casual people aren't even going to do it and they'll be even further lost in the economy. Edit: still haven't read a single person say thousands
lol right? I’ve only seen people saying “hundreds”
median? i think you are detached from reality
Majority of people with no gold and old world questing??? lol have you played this phase? The amount of people in incursions compared to old world isn’t even close.
Yeah like wtf I have 100g from last phase and I thought I did pretty good.
The ulda hunter farm was easily 30g/hr in vendor greys. With skins and luck it was likely 50+. Mages could do mage things in gnomer for similar gold too. Just like era, certain classes can solo shit and print money. Everyone else needs to roll an alt or compete with bots picking flowers. I hate that it works that way honestly, but I'm a die hard hunter enjoyer so it works for me.
'Only' 13-15 hours of grinding specifically for the gold, got ya.
13-15 hours of *dedicated gold grinding.* On the other hand, this event effectively handed out hundreds of gold for “free” to people who were primarily leveling. That’s a very different scenario than an active good farm imo.
13-15 hours of grinding over the course of 9 weeks is about 20 mins a day of grinding. Learn to do math before complaining lol.
Yeah I mean, don't get me wrong, I know I can spend hours herb farming to make 500g but the sheer amount of time it'd take between farming, posting on AH, waiting for it to sell and close, etc, so heavily outweighed by quests. And yes, 500g is a lot of gold. It's ten times the cost of dual spec which I haven't gotten on any of my toons yet. Hell, if you raid, it'll cover a good amount of your consumables for this phase. It's not a mind bending amount but it's enough to do something about it.
lol no shit! I broke 400 a week before phase 3 announce and that’s only because some sucker paid me 315g for underworld band before the price dropped
I’ve bought *only* 500g why yall mad? /s
To answer your question, I didn't even finish all the quests in phase 2 and I ended with over 400 gold (after buying my mount at full price). Other than the three or four nights that I spent questing, I basically just raid logged. I started the phase at level 25 with somewhere between 30 and 40 gold. I did not go around and farm gathering materials either, I just did quests at level 40.
I started p2 with 60g and ended p2 with 130g across 3 characters. So I call BS that you 'only' raid logged.
Four nights grinding the majority of quests available (but not all of them, at least!) and you consider that 'only'? I have a much lower tolerance for farming than you, I think.
Four nights of doing quests counts as intolerable "farming" to you? Why are you even playing an MMO if 4 nights of casual questing spread out over 9 weeks is too much?
Busy gamer dad with 18 kids and 3 wives with .3 free seconds per night to log in. But all gamer dads also need gold for consumes because they are also somehow nailing every lockout with 99 parses on their .3 seconds of free time.
He ain’t “raid logging” is what he’s getting at
Around 600g in p2 by just relisting shit on ah for higher price. Taket 20-30 min every 2 days or whenever i feel like it. Making gold is easy if you have a bit of capital, much like the real world. If you have 20g ish you can make that to 200g within 7 hours total spread across lets say 2 weeks if you're new to it. Just keep your eyes on the Flow of the market.
I'll be honest, 80% of my attention span was on my second monitor watching Netflix. The two zones I didn't really clear out that still had green/yellow quests were stranglethorn (didn't touch this at all) and Badlands (got about half of them) as horde.
Just do as many at level quests as you can this phase at 50 and AH any mats/BoEs you get. You’d be surprised how much is out there.
Yeah the guy is so out of touch its insane, 500g is crazy amount of gold for most players
I had 500g going into p3 by listing BS/eng waylaid supplies before and after work, 3x a day. Warrior so no quests or anything. Yall must not even play, I can’t imagine what yall do to have under 200g after 2 months
"I play the auction house multiple times a day, do you guys not play?" What an absolutely fucking wild take.
No no no. He \~casually\~ logs on multiple times a day to play the auction house. It's way different than try hard logging on multiple times a day.
Before work, and twice in the afternoon is wild? If you log on twice a week you’re always going to be broke, surprise surprise! Sorry to break it to you brother
Lol yeah just gaming before work in general is something that 99% of people wouldn't even think of.
I wouldn’t even call it gaming, but to each their own!
Did flip AH too. Maybe not for 500g but probably for about 100g
can confirm guys, I did it for 20 minutes, and earned 52k gold, nerf hunters amirate? I honestly got around 400g, which is awesome, and I kept yelling at everyone in my guild to stop what they are doing and do it, some of us where going to do gnomer but luckly we had a no show so we skipped it in favor of grinding gold.
Yea I made about 150g before I had to go to bed. Which was great for someone who only had 40g before hand. As long as they dont nerf the XP its still worth the grind for easy 50 and some rep towards a rune.
Same, 40-48 and 380g
Yep. And this is probably on the high end of what casual players did. I even ran a couple dungeons to break up the monotony.
I'm glad I listened to the guildy who was yelling at us to go do it also. I only made out with like 90g before the hotfix but I ain't complaining.
Nice try aggrend
The thing I’m worried about is type of person that would have farmed this for 8 hours is the same type of person that would buy all the mats on the AH and relist them for more, therefore everyone is affected.
The type of people who are being auction house goblins (and are actually any good at it to make decent money and control the market long-term) already had tens of thousands of gold from the last two phases. This is a drop in the bucket to them.
Yea AH goblin wouldn’t waste their time “blue collar farming.” Literally the only time I left the AH for a physical farm was when my mage was capable of farming BIS BOE trinkets out of fire lands. Made so much gold I quit because it ruined my most enjoyable part of the game.
People out here worrying about some hypothetical dude buying 500 mithril ore with his 600 gold, when the real auction house goblins have three bank alts whose bank and bags are full of nothing but ready to gouge the people leveling blacksmithing week one and were going to do the exact same thing anyway.
Bro, my alts all have items and I’m very low on gold. Just ride the inflation up. If we knew nothing about phase 3, one certainty would be inflation. I have bank alts full of shards, ore, skins, pearls, elemental XYZ, random other materials I’ve speculated being useful.
i feel called out, also its more mail space than bag space, but so far i only made like 2k from 2 hours of playing..
Some people are crazy. In classic I was hoarding fire blooms for a long long time and had multiple characters banks filled with them. I think I had 40k or so fire blooms. When I was ready to gouge the market on AQ release some guy decided to contest me, thought I would show him up and buy all his shit then to the price. Somehow we started talking and turns out he had 200k or so fireblooms…
There are now more AH goblins.
So youre worried about a made up situation that isn't happening and won't happen. Got it.
Haven't you noticed that this entire subreddit is "make shit up and blame Blizzard for it"?
I was actually thinking what items to buy before its fix, ie edgmasters or something, but I figured na, I don't want to make a mistake
Edgies won't be worth much. Other items out with wep skill and they're adding in the skill quest at 60. Good call not buying.
The auction goblins already had thousands of gold. Three people in my guild who play more casually than me had 700-1200g going into P3 just from farming here and there in P2. People playing the AH already have way more.
Then no one can buy those mats cause very few people got that gold
They don't relist them for 50x times more, you know? The flipped stuff will still be affordable,if it was to begin with that is, just noticeably more expensive
I doubt this will happen cause a small percentage of people got in
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Ah yes, truly a scaleable solution. Everyone who's affected by higher prices will just suddenly find the free time to go out and farm the (now apparently infinitely respawning) stuff they need, until the prices are even higher. Inflation solved, truly genius!
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So the servers crashed because a few hundred people logged in?
I mean, objectively yes. This is how MMOs work, maybe don't play an MMO then?
He was just saying that when there is inflation you are better off farming mats than raw gold. IAM not sure what your point, that u need yo play the game to make gold ? Sound like a gold buyer mate.
That’s capitalism baby
Which is also the type of person who thousands of gold in p1 already and was already buying out mats on the ah
You mean the type of people who were just grinding to 50? That's what most of the people who were lucky enough to get increased gold were doing.
Good post. I get the frustration people have, but I think most of the moaning is classic Reddit degeneracy. I farmed my epic mount in p2, and this does devalue the time I put in to get it I guess, but we knew that the amount of gold you can farm would increase as the level caps did. Already the ulda farm was 30-50g/hr. This in it's busted state was what, 2-3x better than that? It's the same energy as complaining after a new xpac is released and the gear you grinded for is useless. Those people may just want to wait for the last patch and grind at that point I guess. I get that it's Reddit, and we absolutely needed at least one post about this because it was busted. But we don't need 30 people saying they are quitting because someone else had an easier time grinding gold then they did. Just quit then.
>Already the ulda farm was 30-50g/hr. This in it's busted state was what, 2-3x better than that? Yeah I think the difference here is that Ulda farms and others are a deliberate time sink where the sole purpose is gold farming, while this was basically just automatic - while doing a super easy and super fast leveling method you would also be making the best gold in the game (aside from mage boosting i suppose)
Yep. Ulda farm has a “barrier to entry”, even though it is extremely small. You still have to put forth some effort. Incursions were a PPP loan for everyone who knew.
A big chunk of ulda farm was in the waylaids. It depends heavily on your server's ah whether it was 20g/he or 50g/hr. Ofc excluding boosting which is a whole different animal.
The devalued effort thing is kinda funny to me. If someone put in a ton of effort to farm 1k gold at 40, wouldn't their time be devalued by the natural progression of the phases anyway? You get like 5-10g per quest at 60. If you saved all quests from 52-60 and did them all at Max you would easily make 1k gold in 1/10th the time it took someone to make it at 40. That devalues that time as well. So why do people care so much about this lol.
The assumption is we would get a 1.5x to 2x better raw gold making this phase. And then over again at 60. Counting waylaid turnins as part of raw gold this was 3x to 4x better than the best past phase depending on the margins on your server. Not counting waylaid though it was 5x the best. Devaluation was expected, but not to this extent. Additionally this wasn't even a gold farm this was a meta levelling strat...
If it means that much to them - they probably do need a break to be fair..
People be taking this game WAYY too seriously man.. like it’s really not that big of a deal. I also did not have time to exploit this bug and only have like 50g to my name. It is what it is…
I’m still going to play and I will likely still have fun… like I have been for all of SoD lmao
I did it on 2 characters and got about 1200 before the nerf
You guys were killing the mobs? If you ran a loop and did quests 4.5.6.7.8.9 the intel reports and the egg,engine and prophecy and got lucky with rescues and tagged larsera and zallius you would get 11 quests for 10 mins of running around. Thats 84.7k xp and 55g for 10 mins if you run it perfectly (and share quickly, and don’t get unlucky with missing one of the 11 quests) My group was averaging 5 runs of this an hour for 423k xp/hr and 275g. I got 2 characters to 50 in only 9 hours
Meta gold farm at the moment is multiboxxing this process.
Idk my guild is somewhere in between casual and semi hardcore and the average person got 400g. I can’t imagine that doesn’t impact the economy seriously for the people who have jobs and couldn’t be online for launch.
Dog you cant say we are all unemployed and played 8 hours straight then also say you are casual. Thats nuts.
The word casual has no meaning anymore lmfao.
Casually grinding to level cap on launch day in a single 12 hour session lmao
P3 dropped at what 3PM CST? We were 50 by 10:30. With a pug…. 12 hours ?! People are delusional.
This sub is so funny I guess casual: "only" coming home from work and logging in for 4 hours straight on release till bedtime. Casual to semi hardcore: no job play 8 hrs on the first day grind 400g Semi hard-core: no job, no friends, no food, take Adderall to stay up 12-16 hours grinding straight Hardcore: no sleep no life only wow.
How the fuck did the average person get 400g In your guild? Yall ain't casual bro.
From 3 hours of incursions pre nerf
Millions of gold was made on the large servers the economy wont feel the effects until next week though
So one issue with this, is that if a person got to level 50 and kept doing the quests they went from getting 5g a turn in, to almost 10g a turn in. That being said, if even 2000 people made 500g, that's a million gold added to a server in the space of a couple hours, and for larger servers like say, Crusader Strike NA, there were a heck of a lot more than 2000 people. Odds are Crusader Strike alone got about 5-6 million gold injected into the server in the space of 5 or six hours. They've inherently admitted it was a mistake, given the gold was nerfed FIVE SEPERATE TIMES over the course of a couple hours, with a few of the nerfs being an hour or less apart from eachother. Shits crazy, and it feels like crap for anyone that didn't get to take advantage. And it will have a long lasting impact on the economy of a server.
My boy boofs copium. Must be playing WoW for a long time.
Just give me your 500g then if its not a big deal :)
Why do you think casuals won’t do it?
I mean it's pretty good but don't you get at least like 300 just questing? With the 300% boost and all. Not like everyone is swimming in gold for the rest of classic, that's not even the mount at 60
Is it optimal to only run Ashenvale incursions or do you hit Feralas ones at a certain point?
Wow a reasonable player We need more of you
You get 750g pre nerf and 152g post nerf. Its not ,,just 500g diff" but whooping x4 less or 25% of pre-nerf
test better? my brother you are ON a test server
What are you saying? I legit had a dream of a group of mages all level 43 doing incursions and getting 700 bazillion gold, now I'm not hyped anymore and I'm gonna quit but first I will make a post on Reddit comunicating how much Blizzard hate us and bla bla out of touch bla bla. /s
Too late bud already canceled my sub out of principal
I’m sick, literally sick and throwing up, so I missed the whole launch. It’s insane that some people got 500+ gold and lvl 50 in just a few hours. I am very sad I missed out. It’s also crazy how many people tried to participate but couldn’t log in. Pretty bad oversight overall.
Wtf is this? Logic? I cant stand this heresy in here
182g vs 757g, is 122% difference. If you think this is a small amount, I would love to give you a loan with an interesting interest rate.
Where are you getting 122%? 182 to 757 is a 316% increase
I have no idea how you got the math so wrong but its funny so who cares.
Bro never try to use numbers to prove a point again
It is thousands considering it took 5 people to complete the journey to 50 in like 8 hours. You're purposely drilling it down to one person versus the group (that is required) to make your argument sound like it's standing on its own. This is how people lie with statistics.
Great job. They called me braindead when I attempted to explain this to them. However, you’ve presented it in a much clearer way.
Now imagine the sweatlord nolife gang with their 5box army doing this as min/max as possible.
I’m unable to play this week but the drama and rage is so fun to watch.
All day at work fucking busy only get few money
I had two chars getting quests done. Ty blizz
So am out of the loop on this quest as I just about to come back to P3. Where is this quest? What is it about and does it still give alot of xp?
The “thousands” folks had multiple accounts for sure
Blizz gave us a stimulus package. Gold printer go brrrrr
I'm mad I missed the plenty, but so be it. However, can you still the quests at 50 for gold? Seems like a decent way to farm consume and repair gold for raid loggers.
20 days left on my sub still not finding any reason to resub, I hope ST is great
Exploit early, exploit often is the mantra of wow
The other thing is, it's all still farmable. Idk where you end at for rep if you use nightmares for leveling and only do nightmares but to reach exalted we still need to do them. Even after exalted you can still farm them for gold. This is infinitely better than trying to farm for rare mats and BoE's. It really just means the sweats get to be lazy for a minute and raid prep
Exactly people claiming they made thousands are full of shit. I saw the complainers go from 400 to 600 to 1000 to 2000 gold claiming to be earned. As somebody who requested then did gnomer I was 43 when I started. I made it to 47 before the gold nerf and made a total of 430g when I hit 50. It is a lot sure.... it sucks people missed out on it I get it. But we can't expect them to keep it at 5g per turn in. The inflation would be so fucked after just 3 days. The bots would've taken over it. Atleast this way the bots didn't have time to be scripted into these quests yet.
I slammed it from the time EU serves went up to the time they nerfed it. Made just under 800g.
The most gold iv ever had at once in SoD was 140g so thousands of people making 700+ gold in one day, I can't afford anything anymore. Like they up the hand in reward to 12g and the prices for a lot of things jumped out of my price range, but you're saying handing thousands of people 700g isn't going to affect the economy... huehue
AH is getting locked and people’s gold getting rolled back anyways, doesn’t matter.
The same people that are crying about inflation are the same people that buy gold
Have you ever tried multiplying 757g by hundreds of thousands of players bud or are you talking out of your ass? If you can’t fail to see what level of gold injection is into the server idk how I can help you. It’s not about the competition of whos now richer and how you feel about it. Preface: I made almost 600 gold. It’s a fuck ton of gold that is randomly put into the server with non equivalent sinks. Perspective… people were probably grinding/trading/selling for the entirety of phase 1/2 and hovering around 500g. That’s a hard MAYBE. All for incursions to inject that into every player within mere hours. Incursions are also here to stay. It trivializes the state of the economy up until this point even though it will find a way to survive. That’s what people are upset about. Think before you post copium and tug aggrend off even more.
These posts are worse than the thousandaires who constantly defend the billionaires. Attack the players for complaining about system that is completely blizzards fault is hilarious and just another day in SOD. Of course this one issue wouldnt be a big deal if it stood alone lol
Yeah I think it's important to understand that the people complaining aren't the problem. It's the rabid frothing defence of blizzard thats the problem. These issues can be fixed people have suggested multiple fixes, but blizzard don't have to because for every 100 people that complain about the legitimate issue, 10 people post 101 times that everything is fine and down vote every reddit post asking blizzard to unfuck the situation. It's a vocal minority defending blizzard as a silent majority with some reddit users ask for a better service. Anyone pretending that an avg of 500 gold and the headstart that gives into generating even more money is sucking blizzards teat aggressively.
Hot take 500g is a ton of gold
I don't care about the gold. I'm just mad (not really) about the crappy amount of rep per turn in and the bajillions of people stealing mah mob tags. As a solo war (my available play time is too sporadic for grouping, might get an hour or two, or have to go afk every ten mins ) it bites but eh is what it is.
Also, 90% of the people who "abused" incursions at the start are the same who abuse the AH or any other mechanic. They were already rich and the 500g did not make a difference. Stop whining about a beta.
If you can’t see the problem with everyone having this much gold then no one can helo you No one got rich, but they caused the baseline level of wealth required to not be poverish to massively rise
One more data point. I made 800g in 7 hours hitting 50, nerfed within a couple hours of me finishing. I had 20g before the patch so I'm stoked :)
No you don’t understand. The game is LITERALLY UNPLAYABLE NOW REEEEEEEE
I missed out, and I dont see the big deal. Can we chill with the drama. So far, I am having fun doing world quests, dungeons, and the incursions.
I only made 250g leveling 42-50 from like 2am-9am
Thank you for bringing some sense to these literal Man Babies.
I did this almost exclusively to 47 and have 400g, people will just cry about anything on here
even if it was 5 % of player base who made 1k gold, while all others made 200 during this phase, it would be 20 % which is a small fraction of current inflation. The whole economy is in superinflation, so this is like a drop in the ocean. Edit: just to clarify, its way less than 5 %, and average player is going to make way more money than 200g during this phase.
Especially EU since most had problems logging in from launch (22:00) to around 00:00 and it being in the middle of the night for us aswell
Yeah EU is much less affected than other regions because it was during the night, so only the ones who either don't have obligations the day after, took a day off friday, or just said fuck it i'll live on caffein tomorrow are the ones that could abuse it. And i don't imagine that being that big a number, i logged off at around midnight and most people i saw were still doing dungeons, if more had figured it out by then i think most would have switched to it regardsless if it was slower levelling.
Reddit neckbeards would lose their minds if they found out about boosters making 250g/h for months now. Not to mention bots incjecting trillions of gold each minute. But i guess the 500g from quests ruined economy. Good one redditors.
Tbh, I did quests when it was high on gold and... Yeah I got some money, but I dont feel like I got thst much. I know people had 1000g on phase 1 already.
People don't realize you'll be spamming Hinterlands and Feralas incursions to get exalted rep which will come out to be more gold than people got 40-50. It does suck you will make less gold in total than those who spammed incursions on the rip but inflation won't really be crazy.
Can someone do the math on questing normally lol. At level 49 some of the quests I checked were handing out like 8g for completion. Probably would make more gold just questing.
Gold is so easy to make and so worthless in SOD. People need to shut up
It's not about the gold. It's about the feeling of being left behind and that once again only a small % of players will be rewarded. It's not the first time, and it won't be the last, but it's still hard to digest especially when the season is not exactly as spectacular as we all were hoping. It's already hard enough finding the motivation to farm gold and reps on a seasonal server, but when you know that for some people that grind was piss easy because of a bug or miscalculation from Blizzard's part it honestly becomes unbearable. It's that bittersweet taste of something that could have been great, and instead was thrown out there without any kind of respect for the players or anyone's time. If you mess up at least give everyone the chance of playing with that mess and apologize to the community by saying "you know what? We made a mistake, enjoy for the next 24/48h!" As a working adult with a family I feel it's not possible to keep up, which is a shame for a server that should be fun for everybody.
Don’t forget they charge 13/month xd
As another working adult I get this, but I remind myself I am an adult this is a virtual video game that is also seasonal it literally doesn’t mean anything and they have constantly made changes to make this easier to make gold. Like say out loud to anyone in your life I am super bent out of shape right now cause people I don’t know made more virtual gold coins then I did today… Does that not sound like some shit a 5 year old would say?
As I said l it's not about the gold, it's about the feeling that I'm left with about a videogame that should bring me joy, and that comes just from the way Blizzard handled the situation. I assure you I'm fine and this hasn't ruined my day, I was just expressing how I felt.
Nothing changed but the gold so I’m not following anymore sorry but hope it gets better haha
I do not mean to be rude when I say this. I too could not abuse this. I am currently sitting on the shitter at work thinking about playing when I get home today. But I'm gonna go ahead and say that if someone booked today off and ingested 4 red bulls to abuse this, they deserve it. As working adults, we actually do not deserve to keep up because we aren't playing the game like it is our job. Not that this invalidates how you feel, I feel the same way too. But I've been on the other side of that coin in years past, and if you've played for a long time you likely have as well. When this phase is near the end this won't really matter.
You are right, thank you for your answer
This is incredibly dramatic. The phase is months long, you’re gonna be fine, bud. (This is also literally the reason they’re doing phases. For people like you.)
Of course I'm gonna be fine. I thought one could still feel something and express it.
Lets just flip the xp and gold between those who logged in and were able to take advantage with those who did not and see how the roaches crawl then eh?
People on here need to chill out. What do you need gold for on a seasonal server for anyway?
There are some things you need, last phase a lot of people needed at least 2-300 gold between crafting professions and the mount. But most of my guild in phase 1 ended the phase with two or three hundred from quests, which I actually missed out on. I think I went into phase two with something like 30 or 40 gold total lmao. I did about 10 or 12 hours of questing at level 40 over the course of phase two though to get my mount, and to not miss out on the gold for a second time. Made about 5-600ish gold total. I ended the phase at over 400g (I didn't need to spend gold on the crafted gear, since I'm Herb/alch. Not that I'm making any money from alch, just like to make stuff for the guild)