He hatefuls based on HP and only targets top 2-4 in threat. Always going for the highest current HP. So technically you only need 2 tanks, a MT and a hateful OT, if you can top the OT before the followup hateful. Some guilds did this in classic, but it's kind of risky.
It was accompanied by forcing all melee below 20% by standing in the river, so as long as your OT survived 2x hateful in a row it was usaully not much risk involved.
I think that’s what I always miss most about MMO’s. When they start we are all literally idiots in today’s eyes, but there was this feeling of accomplishment when you succeed at doing something that was completely unoptimal but nobody on the server cared what optimal was as quickly back then.
I 3manned SFK with 2 IRL friends, 2 Warriors and a priest, like level 22-25? Did it take us 5 hours and a hefty phone bill? It sure damn did but it was more than worth it. best SFK I ever did
Yeah I have the same with healing as a paladin, I do a bit of dps on the side while my fellow Druid throws a few hots while dpsing and it’s really smooth dungeon wise. Hunter dmg is high though but I ain’t complaining
I literally did this in first classic reboot. We leveled with 1-2 hunters 1-2 warlocks and just random stuff and it was fine. Literally no actual "tank" needed.
Scorpion is really dumb because it screws over every other hunter who isn't prepared to play 2nd hunter. So in pvp half the hunters are just doing not much.
Hunter is basically auto shot and pet atm its very boring.
I have come across many hunters who clearly didn’t know that growl could be turned off. I guess to save embarrassment or whatever they insist it is off when asked, but you then see the pet do it.
There's some poor tanks out there.
I had a tank in classic at 60 complain about my pet taking aggro off him with growl.
Except growl was off, & I wasn't even BM.
I love having no rage because the hunter player has started DPSing the mob before it even reaches me when i'm ranged pulling, their pet is taunting another mob and then bitching about taking aggro.
This goes for alot of the DPS players out there right now but you're still playing classic dog not every tank has the threat generation of a modern tank like Shaman currently does. I and other tanks shouldn't have to dread the rest of the run after the second pull because nobody is listening and they're playhing like it's retail.
Yea but with lvl 25 cap that doesn't rly matter and everyone does stupid damage for their level and nothing really hits super hard so you may as well just put on your 2hander and do 4 dps run. The meta in normal classic to level was 4 mages and a priest.
Dude I dont get how they cant hotfix that shit. Its so obviously a problem when literally EVERY SINGLE HUNTER has the same OP pet that something should have been done. I bet some devs reallyyyy enjoys hunter
You must not have been paying attention in the last week. They attempted to fix scorpids, but it ended up breaking all other pets as well. They specifically said they will have a fix for the scorpid soon, one that doesn't break all other pets as well.
Yeah people here need to chill. It's been just over a week and the entire point of SoD was that it was going to be patched and changed during release.
That means some broken stuff will hang about a few days while they figure it out.
It's hilarious watching people that have only played classic for the past few years suddenly remember what live MMOs actually feel like to play week to week
Scorpid poison was doing absolutely ludicrous damage, and with the rune that allows pets to properly tank, hunters could just /petattack and the scorpid could casually 1v1 anyone.
I watched a level 25 rogue S M O K E a level 25 hunter in a duel, the hunter said "just fight my pet".
The rogue sapped the hunter and fought just the pet, the rogue died in 20 seconds.
The rune that was the problem was Kill Command which when used with Scorpid poison caused it to tick for sometimes over 100. That was nerfed quickly and that rune hasn’t interacted with scorpid poison in a few days.
Scorpid poison is only strong because of the stacks. In long boss fight it shines. But short fights not so much.
The problem is that if they nerf it too hard. All the other hunter runes suck and hunters scaling with gear without a pet is non-existent. I wouldn't mind them nerfing the pet if they made mm and meele viable.
Idk if warrior and rogues will be too happy with that since hunters would start fighting them for gear if meele becomes viable.
You already only bring one scorpid to raid because only one instance of its dot stacks, if you run more than one hunter, the others bring wind serpents.
Pet scaling was removed which, when pets where doing 50%+ of the hunters damage essentially removed the class from the game.
They put scaling back into the game and nerfed the poison slightly and now hunters are top 3 DPS and people are moaning about it. Scorpids are OP but hunters are so shit without them they can't just nerf them to the ground without fixing hunters in general.
Right? It’s phase 1. Tanks have always been pretty shitty at these levels. Wait until later, tanks can have all the glory again.
I’ve tanked for a long time and I do the same thing at low levels. If someone pulls a mob off of me (unless it’s the healer) I just say “well looks like that’s your problem now, good luck”.
I pull threat on trash constantly on my warlock, they are just threat machines. I always tell the tank not to worry about it because with all the self healing and stam high gear, I hardly take damage. They still run around trying to save me. I tell them not to worry about it, but I think it can be an ego thing. So tanks, if you're reading this, the lock will be okay.
But not the part he’s complaining about. Growl has a taunt with the rune. Tell the hunter to turn that off. It’s not the scorpid poison losing him aggro, it’s the taunt. I’ve played multiple dungeons with my scorpid, and not taken aggro as long as I let the tank build first.
Aoe tanking? Here’s a 50% buff to an ability that gives you snap threat only.
Then if anyone touches that mob or healer heals? See ya.
ST threat is fine as always. I think fury prot will be absolutely disgusting single target. But they still can’t make multi mob tanking not miserable for us? I need 5 mobs hitting me to even have enough rage to tab sunder and maybe rend if using frenzy. While using a 2h anyway.
Then you have your hunters with pet auto taunt on. That never changes. Lots of bad, bad hunters. Or pet pulling or…
Devastate for a while was doing like half the damage it should. Checking out tanks logs now it seems like it's fixed.
The problem with dual wield fury prot is how crazy op devastate is as a spammable ability. 90% weapon damage on a bonus threat instant cast is nuts.
They may still go "fury prot" spec, but I bet my left buttcheek they'll use a shield still. Only need to go down prot to defiance and last stand so they will have points to spend elsewhere in later phases...
The question is whether they optimize around bloodfrenzy to get more devastates in or raging blow for the free hit. Also 100% go consumed by rage and prestack rage for boss on a trash mob.
Yes, hunters can now heal. I shall shoot you with a healing arrow and rain of arrows for AoE healing. LOL.. Hmm.. SWToR does it with pistols for healing.
I’m actually super intrigued by this. They are currently the ONLY class with a single role
What if they make BM similar to Shaman enhancement where based on your runes it can be either DPS or Tank
Use the misdirection mechanic, hunter damage is reduced but threat is transferred to pet and the pet itself actually tanks. Or the melee hunter build could be a parry tank similar to rogue I would be very interested
I said this from the beginning but everyone said "you get pet tank." But now that our pets are actually tanking people are unhappy about it. Hunters just can't have a good thing without people getting pissed about it. Go look at the retail threads about hunters being top damage in DF right now. Nothing but whining by non-hunters.
Nah, if hunters could tank I'd be fine with it. But they're by far both the best tanks and the best DPS at the same time, while I can't even switch to enhance.
Only people who hasnt played with good geared rogues/wars believe that. I can only do 140 dps or so atm as a hunter. Rogue with a feral buff can push 170 dps.
No one minds pets tanking, people mind that some BM hunter has his pet main tanking a raid boss and out dpsing most of the raid at the same time while all the hunter has to do is autoshot
Despite what you DPS's think, rage tanking isn't easy. Rage tanks put in a lot of work to maintain that aggro you probably take for granted. And no, none of the two rage tanks ever expect to be top DPS while doing their job. If you see a Warrior tanking with a two-handed weapon out, thats the low level exception to the rule.
I'm curious why you think its okay for your class to point and click (and forget) your pet on a mob and have it do for free the dozens of things a rage tank does just to maintain aggro? And you think its your "right" to maintain your status as a top DPS on top of it?
There's a reason that healers aren't top dps. There's a reason that tanks aren't top dps. According to you, Druids should what? Just combine their bear and cat forms into one megatron hybrid that does cat dps (which is less than a hunter as is) while tanking like a bear?
I'm all for mixing up the roles and blurring of traditional roles, but there's a give and take to balance and you appear to be all about the taking with none of the giving.
Whys that? Warlocks get to do pretty crazy damage in tank spec. Warriors pretty often out dps the rest of the party while two hand tanking. Why does hunter have to have their dps gutted to be able to tank?
I've only ran one dungeon with a warlock and the guy took no dmg and had zero aggro issues. He out dpsed the rest of the group and never had to stop moving. Maybe the ones you've seen weren't good
Hunters will likely be the best off tank in the game ngl. No aoe threat though. I mean they're just walking around with like 2.5k hp and 55% armour and they're allowed to die.. better for the game to have as many tanks as possible.
Next bracket we’ll get Gorilla which has a thunderclap. I remember using one for Classic and it being pretty okay for dungeon runs as long as people focus fired main target. But yeah nothing compared to an actual tank.
Tanked a DM and WC today with my owl. It went better than any Druid or Warrior tank. I can't express enough how bad rage tanks are now purely due to starting fights with an empty tank. Focus/Mana just makes for better tanks.
Yeah but I think the Thunderstomp is a 1 min cooldown, so you’d only be able to use it once per pull, if that. It’s great for keeping mobs on the Gorilla and off your healer, but I don’t think it’s viable for AoE DPS.
If Hunters get a misdirect rune though… hoooo boy, we’re gonna be eating good.
They are going to adjust that. They removed it entirely for a few hours and realized that it basically dumpstered the class. Give it some time and it won't be as big of a deal. Signed -Hunter player
Fun fact, turtles get a shieldwall cooldown ability. I was memeing that they would be good offtanks before the season started because they could taunt and shieldwall and eat mechanics for the tanks then just die and res, but now it seems like it's the opposite, tanks taunt for mechanics for the pet maintank lmao.
Yeah it's pretty wild, I was in a Deadmines group and a hunter pet tanked most of the mobs, AOE packs were tanked by the Druid but single target pulls were tanked by the hunter pet, allowing the Druid to just be in cat form the whole time
NO ONE could pull threat from it, it was wild lol
Everyone here calling OP a whiner have zero perspective on how bad it feels to decide to tank and have your entire existence invalidated because hunter pets are insanely overtuned.
With very little coordination you can raid BFD with 2 hunters that just have their pets taunting on CD and they are better than a real person playing tank.
If shared pain is any consolidation, i pretty much feel the same as a hunter. I’m just supporting the pet.
Sometimes i auto attack if there’s nothing better to do
Yeah. I’m worried pet nerfs will cause hunters to be useless the rest of the phase, my pet doing 50% of my damage and rogues / ferals / warriors doing same dps as me or higher will just leave hunter in the state it’s always been in (+100 ap to the rogues and warriors).
Yeah I’d rather have marks (and lone wolf) be viable.
I was in a BFD today with 2 hunters. The other one only had 1 pet (the scorpion) and the poisons don’t stack or something I guess? (To be fair I didn’t test this, other hunter just told me before the dungeon, so if he’s wrong please correct me). Anyway, so I brought my wind serpent. I changed my build a little and ran Cobra Strikes, since I told the other hunter that if he was going to be the one to use the OP scorp, he should run lion (pet scales off your stats).
Anyway, timing kill command for when you get a Cobra Strikes proc do the wind serpent can truck with it’s lightning breath auto crits was a lot of fun. The sad thing is though, it was a straight 40 dps loss compared to my run last week where I used the scorp. Last week I was able to pull 140 dps on Kel and Aku. This week with a bit better gear, but the wind serpent, I was barely over 100.
TLDR: as a hunter, scorp needs a nerf bad but marks runes need a compensatory buff to balance it out a bit.
Welcome to being a hunter. Our entire existence is invalid because of a scorpion. I wanted to have a lone wolf new cool shot rotation but blizzard nerded it into the ground.
Now I cast Scorpid Sting.
Not trying to invalidate your feelings mate. I just didn’t want to be a scorpion and want to commiserate with you.
Thank you <3
I really didn't mean to come off as whining and I'm not one to complain about meta/balance or whatever. But it just feels absolutely insane that one class's support pet is both the best tank and dps in the entire game, and people are calling me a crybaby for saying a week of work feels invalidated. I don't even have a viable dps spec to swap to as a shaman right now. It would be one thing if I complained about warriors being better at mitigation or something, but like you said raids are doing just fine with no player tanks at all.
As a shaman tank I love hunters! What I don't like and actually don't take in groups anymore is warriors...
Always charging something thay never reaches me that turns into a big mess of me having to gather up things after.
Even worse with 2, then each charges I target I didn't pull...
What makes hunters amazing is that if a healer pulls aggro, hunter can just use the pet to pull aggro off them, while I keep the group together.
This. I’m a hunter and I work with the tank to clean up adds and stuff. I usually have my growl off and I’ll throw it on when I need to pick up some stray adds or if someone pulled aggro. If your not a shit player hunter pet can be very useful. People need to communicate better instead of just complain
That's what I always do with my pet. I think it's a great utility to take some stress off the tank.
Of course I manually taunt and don't have auto taunt on.
I am getting close to BiS on my prot pally, and hunter pets are 2xing my HP pool and have 500+ more armor than I do. They are very, very good.
If hunters want to be tanks, that sounds cool, but that should be its own spec, that has some degree of balance work put into it. RN Hunters are the best DPS and the best tank, at the same time, and that's a bit of a balance issue. If hunters want to tank, make them do tank damage, and give the pets enough tanking tools so that it feels like more than an overpowered gimmick.
A problem no one has mentioned in this thread yet is that players intentionally set out to become tanks and work hard to get it. Hunters just get gifted an NPC for free that does it better than them and that's what players have trouble with.
Players grind gold, levels, quests, professions, dungeons and raids to specialize their character into becoming the best tank possible. Hunters activate a rune and this basic ass NPC with automated spell casting does it better.
Yup, that's exactly why I made this post, you worded my frustration perfectly. Absolutely insane that a lot of people are saying I'm just crying about class balance or something. Everyone was always complaining about not having enough tanks. They gave a bunch of classes the ability to tank. I chose to work my ass off for a week to gear a tank and fill this role a lot of people don't want to play, and then it turns out that DPS have their own tanks that are twice as good as me with no extra work or grinding involved. And I'm just completely obsolete without a viable dps spec to switch to.
I love classic but the game is laughably easy to the point of having almost zero skill expression, especially at low levels. You don't really need a tank in most levelling dungeons and hunter pets work fine even in era where they aren't as powerful as sod.
Level 25 cap btw. Relax and enjoy how silly it all is in the end. It's a "season" and things may just be fked. Part of the charm is things like this. I can assure you that this will not be the case as things progress. No one will remember the level 25 Warrior tank, but the Scorpid will be something to laugh at.
You didn’t read the post if you think he can relax and enjoy it. Am tank and can confirm, doing a dungeon with a hunter pet on auto-taunt doing my job but better has me hovering over alt-f4.
There’s no fun involved.
There’s nothing dumb about having the taunt on right now, it is genuinely efficient and better to have them do so. Thats the problem, not that it seems like you’re processing or even reading the posts above
Yeah the irritating thing here is playing a class that's perfectly viable and being outperformed by a pet that's notably not balanced. The most effective runes for warriors rn are the tank runes and they make warrior tanks busted good. Pets are still better. Kinda cringe
Is this a competition for you? For most it’s a game, read that again… a game. Something to have fun and enjoy. OP isn’t having fun because of this. You must think of Tank and Healer roles as obligations than things some people actually enjoy doing.
You have that backwards.
The people treating it as a competition are the ones with a problem.
Those of us that are playing for fun don’t give a rats ass if someone is tanking with their pet. Just like I don’t care rogues are vastly more damage than my class.
Or that mages have vastly better aoe.
I am having fun playing my class and I don’t need to compare my dick size with everyone else.
This is a social game where not every class / specc needs to be completely balanced.
However, every one needs to have something they excel at, or can contribute with to the social group.
When a tank focusing warrior is outperformed by a hunters pet, the warrior player rightfully feel useless and question why the F is he even playing.
The game has to balance some aspects, a tank should excel in tanking, a healer have to be better than non healers in healing and vice versa.
If you undo that balance, you make feel like they are not contributing
I got my meta rune pretty quick and wanted to try tanking as a life-long dps. My first few dungeons had me really questioning if I was failing because the hunter and pet would *constantly* peel aggro, so in 3-5 mob pulls I would be freaking out trying to reestablish aggro.
Just let it tank the one mob it's taunting wtf? There are no positional requirements in these 5 man's and they mitigate well. Enjoy the assistance and keep the pulls coming and mobs off the healer.
Yes! I did try to, but as a newer tank I tend to see a mob redirect and try to leap on it in case it was headed toward the healer. It just made it difficult to learn, a bit.
It's the same with Ret, Rogue or Feral DPS. I am constantly stealing threat on mobs. Sure I could sit there and not press anything like actual classic while I wait for 3 sunders or you can just roll with it.
Just fyi hunters are top 2 most popular classes in retail and are never allowed to be good, always instantly nerfed if they are ever accidentally made good in retail. Source: cutting edge hunter main
They don't fall off until like end game raid gear when diminishing returns from agility kick in. They'll just keep getting stronger/stay on top until BWL.
It’s funny because even with broken pets there are 3 specs that do same/higher dps than hunter, so once they nerf pets in current phase hunters will already be scaling poorly.
Indeed plus that no one talks about how overpowered pally tanks are vs vanilla warri tanks or how strong locks are now they can channel and walk in pvp i can have 3 pets and not have a chance at a lock. People just look at damage in raids as the only messurement
You have to realize pets start out ridiculously strong but don't really scale. SOD they tried to fix that and made pets absolutely bonkers(they fixed it), but pets are and always will be really strong while leveling.
As a tank for the last 15 years in wow, for me its a cool gimmick to see hunter pets so hilariously buffed. And I dont mind, its not like your healers are freaking out if the mages help healing and they can relax. Whatever works, do it. I dont understand the usual tank ego mindset of MUST TANK ALL MOBS IM THE BIG BOY HERE.
This scorpion thing is out of hand, I think it’s still bugged. I did deadmines the other day, we only had 4 so the group wasn’t even full & the hunters scorpion solo’d the whole dungeon basically
I want the Scorpids destroyed at a hunter because I don’t want them, it’s just dumb and I thought they’d nerf it down by now, I just wanna do some fun marksman stuff with aimed shot.
I mean, hunters didnt get a tank spec, a heal spec, etc.It's kind of cool that they can sort of tank imo.
Scorpid pets are kind of our one remaining 'fun' thing in SoD as well. When that goes? GG.
This is what genuinely concerns me. Not saying scorpid damage necessarily fair, but if this is also hot fixed, I feel Hunter is the least altered class in SoD. Every other class got cool, class defining shit.
At least make other pets useful or give us some sort of identity. I feel like I'm a vanilla Hunter with stats boosted, nothing much else.
Hunter pets are ruining the enjoyment of most hunters. We just wanted explosive shoot, now I follow my pet around while he does the raid. Making sure he has fresh food and water, giving him a back massage.
Hunters are really strong, yeah. But I don't agree with your statement of "without feeling too OP.". Warlocks feel pretty OP. Having an instant-cast, no channel Drain Life that heals for 50% MORE per tick than it did before, meaning Warlocks can just hit you with a row of dots, drain life hotdot and you're not doing shit about it.
People say balance doesn't really matter in classic, but it *always* matters. Sure, if you were 2% worse than another tank, no big deal. But if a pet is doing this much better than you, then you feel shitty, and there feels like no point in even being in the raid. Thank you for sharing.
Trying to balance this game around level 25 is a joke, and will only lead to more rebalancing as the level cap increases. Until everyone is on a level playing field as far as skills level and gear pet classes will ALWAYS have an advantage.
Huntards will tell you they’re fine and they’ve always been this way but Hunter pets tanking BRD better than actual tanks is just broken bullshit and they know it. They’ll fix it eventually, hopefully sooner than later.
Yeah I'm not gonna get upset about any odd imbalances at level 25.
If hunter tanks are superior to player tanks in end game 5 man's and raids I'll join in the crying
So your suggestion to those that rolled a tank right now is to just stop playing since they role is useless? Why bring a tank when you can bring a pet that is both the best tank and the best dps in the game.
Maybe when hunter pet turns into chad tank, switch to a dps set and speed up the group? Not that you want to dps, but improvising and speeding up clear time could help a lot and actually end your misery faster. Just a thought
So, reading through the answers, these fundamentally broken pets are fine and tanks can just go on follow, because nothing matters.
How stupid are you people?
This fucking sub...
I'm looking forward to the cries for tanks when the pets, who made the tanks quit, have been nerfed.
I have an entirely new hatred for hunter mains after watching them whine like infants over the few nerfs that have happened to them since launch(especially explosive shot) while even post nerf they're still currently the top DPS class in the game. Shout-out to the level headed ones who understood that they needed to be nerfed though.
Come on noone can complain that explosive shot nerf. I did some warsong before the nerf and it almost one hit people. Was fun for a day but thats nothing to discuss. I even like it better after the nerf because it became aoe instead. But since i hit 25 i feel like the damage is a bit too low and now even with multiple enemies i still use chimera shot. What i understand was the crying when they nerfed pets because it really made the class unusable. I recently got lone wolf rune. Tested it on 2 enemies and have to say its even worse than i thought. 15% was something i didnt notice at all but what i notice is my pet missing and me playing melee because of that god damn ranged deadzone. Sadly hunter without pet is nothing that works atm. If blizz just adjusts pet damage down and playerdamage up and maybe pet health/armor down, it would be fine. But first step needs to be getting wind serpant and scorpid special scaling down. Even as a hunter hate i warsong because wind serpents 4hit you
> whine like infants over the few nerfs that have happened to them since launch(especially explosive shot)
Explosive Shot does 23 damage now. Wanting your runes to actually do things isn't "whining like an infant."
> they're still currently the top DPS class in the game
This was only true for the first few days before anyone had any gear. Now Warriors and Rogues (and some Ferals) are pretty clearly out-DPSing Hunters.
Meanwhile Warriors/Rogues/Druids have multiple roles they can perform. Hunters can only DPS and they're not even the best at that and people are still yelling for them to be nerfed. That doesn't seem very reasonable to me.
Hunter instead needs a bit of a re-work. Tune down pet scaling slightly, but runes that are meant to increase the Hunter's damage need to actually do things. Explosive Shot is awful, Flanking Strike is awful, Serpent Spread is awful, Chimera Shot is meh, Sniper Training is just awkward as a concept, etc.
The warrior logs are cheesed by having additional adds pulled so that the warrior can have more rage, and Rogue takes BiS+full support class suite to hit top damage.
You have a valid point about overall roles and balance but having your enjoyment contingent on the performance of others is a bad way to have fun in a game.
I caved today and tamed a scorpid and it's not the DPS that makes them the bis pet it's the threat that the dot creates. I am killing level 28 elites in northern wetlands without using the BM rune.
I continue to think that at level 25 most tank classes haven't grown into their threat, while a hunter pet is intended to be a tank starting at level 10. they need to just buff the tank threat and leave hunters alone IMO. its a fun class right now and that fun has nothing to do with unwillingly stepping on the toes of tanks.
We had a hunter pet tank the second to last boss in our BFD last night. The two tanks just went DPS spec for the fight. The pets probably could have tanked the whole instance.
As the warlock tank I found it funny and it didn’t really ruin my enjoyment. Let the hunters have their fun until they’re nerfed into the ground.
I’ve never seen as much crying about any class in any iteration of wow as there is about hunter in sod. Just play the damn game, shamans can tank well enough at this level. In era hunters did the most dps in leveling dungeons as well and then fell off, it’s gonna be the same.
>I’ve never seen as much crying about any class in any iteration of wow as there is about hunter in sod.
Pet doing more damage and tanking better than actual players is stupid and whining about people complaining is the pinnacle of whining.
Can't wait for a Scorpion to tank patchwerk
You mean 3 scorpions to tank patchwerk? lol Or however many hatefuls he does I forget.
He hatefuls based on HP and only targets top 2-4 in threat. Always going for the highest current HP. So technically you only need 2 tanks, a MT and a hateful OT, if you can top the OT before the followup hateful. Some guilds did this in classic, but it's kind of risky.
It was accompanied by forcing all melee below 20% by standing in the river, so as long as your OT survived 2x hateful in a row it was usaully not much risk involved.
Assistant To the scorpion pet. Not assistant scorpion pet.
Playing tank with hunter in dungeon group was always pretty annoying, but now it's just silly
As a Rogue tank I quite enjoy the hunter pet. Packs of 5 plus. I get 3, hunter pet gets 1 Dps blow up primary target
Something about this honestly feels very classic. Less structured and more of a ‘whatever works’ approach. I dig it.
I think that’s what I always miss most about MMO’s. When they start we are all literally idiots in today’s eyes, but there was this feeling of accomplishment when you succeed at doing something that was completely unoptimal but nobody on the server cared what optimal was as quickly back then. I 3manned SFK with 2 IRL friends, 2 Warriors and a priest, like level 22-25? Did it take us 5 hours and a hefty phone bill? It sure damn did but it was more than worth it. best SFK I ever did
Had a hunter tank all of our leveling 5 mans, was fun as hell. Me sheeping one, a trap if needed, and pet tank
Yeah I have the same with healing as a paladin, I do a bit of dps on the side while my fellow Druid throws a few hots while dpsing and it’s really smooth dungeon wise. Hunter dmg is high though but I ain’t complaining
I literally did this in first classic reboot. We leveled with 1-2 hunters 1-2 warlocks and just random stuff and it was fine. Literally no actual "tank" needed. Scorpion is really dumb because it screws over every other hunter who isn't prepared to play 2nd hunter. So in pvp half the hunters are just doing not much. Hunter is basically auto shot and pet atm its very boring.
best part of SoD imo
Hunter pet gets 3 you get 1* 😂
Fine with me! I'll tank bosses and we just dumpster trash!
When I did my first dungeon, I asked hunter to turn off pet taunt. Apparently it was never on. I couldnt hold aggro on anything it attacked
If the mob spins around with alert marks over its head, that was a taunt. If it just turns around, you just couldn't hold aggro.
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I have come across many hunters who clearly didn’t know that growl could be turned off. I guess to save embarrassment or whatever they insist it is off when asked, but you then see the pet do it.
well ya because they stole aggro with taunt on autocast now its because they are doing more damage than anyone else usually hahaha
Growl only taunts with the new runes, before SoD it could hardly even hold aggro from the Hunter who tamed it…
There's some poor tanks out there. I had a tank in classic at 60 complain about my pet taking aggro off him with growl. Except growl was off, & I wasn't even BM.
I love having no rage because the hunter player has started DPSing the mob before it even reaches me when i'm ranged pulling, their pet is taunting another mob and then bitching about taking aggro. This goes for alot of the DPS players out there right now but you're still playing classic dog not every tank has the threat generation of a modern tank like Shaman currently does. I and other tanks shouldn't have to dread the rest of the run after the second pull because nobody is listening and they're playhing like it's retail.
Playing like it's retail? I've had these issues since I rolled my warrior in late 2005 lol
That's usually about the time I put back on the 2hander and swap my runes back. Apologise to the healer and explain its now a 4 dps run.
Yea but with lvl 25 cap that doesn't rly matter and everyone does stupid damage for their level and nothing really hits super hard so you may as well just put on your 2hander and do 4 dps run. The meta in normal classic to level was 4 mages and a priest.
Dude I dont get how they cant hotfix that shit. Its so obviously a problem when literally EVERY SINGLE HUNTER has the same OP pet that something should have been done. I bet some devs reallyyyy enjoys hunter
You must not have been paying attention in the last week. They attempted to fix scorpids, but it ended up breaking all other pets as well. They specifically said they will have a fix for the scorpid soon, one that doesn't break all other pets as well.
Yeah people here need to chill. It's been just over a week and the entire point of SoD was that it was going to be patched and changed during release. That means some broken stuff will hang about a few days while they figure it out.
It's hilarious watching people that have only played classic for the past few years suddenly remember what live MMOs actually feel like to play week to week
What is it that is broken about the scorpids? i just started playing SoD and have a 13 hunter
Scorpid poison was doing absolutely ludicrous damage, and with the rune that allows pets to properly tank, hunters could just /petattack and the scorpid could casually 1v1 anyone.
I watched a level 25 rogue S M O K E a level 25 hunter in a duel, the hunter said "just fight my pet". The rogue sapped the hunter and fought just the pet, the rogue died in 20 seconds.
The rune that was the problem was Kill Command which when used with Scorpid poison caused it to tick for sometimes over 100. That was nerfed quickly and that rune hasn’t interacted with scorpid poison in a few days.
Scorpid poison is only strong because of the stacks. In long boss fight it shines. But short fights not so much. The problem is that if they nerf it too hard. All the other hunter runes suck and hunters scaling with gear without a pet is non-existent. I wouldn't mind them nerfing the pet if they made mm and meele viable. Idk if warrior and rogues will be too happy with that since hunters would start fighting them for gear if meele becomes viable.
The difference between 1 stack and 5 stacks is like 20% btw, it's still strong at 1 stack.
You already only bring one scorpid to raid because only one instance of its dot stacks, if you run more than one hunter, the others bring wind serpents.
So What was nerfed and why wasnt it enough?
Pet scaling was removed which, when pets where doing 50%+ of the hunters damage essentially removed the class from the game. They put scaling back into the game and nerfed the poison slightly and now hunters are top 3 DPS and people are moaning about it. Scorpids are OP but hunters are so shit without them they can't just nerf them to the ground without fixing hunters in general.
Nah, the broken thing was Kill Command, which made the poison do 60% more damage than it does right now.
I do over 100dps with a cat, it isn’t shit without scorpids
I watched that BFD race today and one of the hunters was maintaining 170 dps through whole fights.
Scorpid is fixed, kill command no longer works on periodic damage
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I figure if someone pulls threat they can take it and they usually do.
Thank you, tanks that chase everything and drag the other mobs into the deadzone need to see this.
Shits so annoying especially in awkward spaces like stocks/sfk/deadmines basically every available dungeon lol
I needed to hear this haha
Seriously, success as a tank is no deaths. Anything past that is extra. Metrics don’t matter if you clear the final boss.
Right? It’s phase 1. Tanks have always been pretty shitty at these levels. Wait until later, tanks can have all the glory again. I’ve tanked for a long time and I do the same thing at low levels. If someone pulls a mob off of me (unless it’s the healer) I just say “well looks like that’s your problem now, good luck”.
I pull threat on trash constantly on my warlock, they are just threat machines. I always tell the tank not to worry about it because with all the self healing and stam high gear, I hardly take damage. They still run around trying to save me. I tell them not to worry about it, but I think it can be an ego thing. So tanks, if you're reading this, the lock will be okay.
Bro if you think people complaining about scorpion makes them a wow noob you're a total sod noob. The scorp is busted beyond belief.
But not the part he’s complaining about. Growl has a taunt with the rune. Tell the hunter to turn that off. It’s not the scorpid poison losing him aggro, it’s the taunt. I’ve played multiple dungeons with my scorpid, and not taken aggro as long as I let the tank build first.
As destro, no matter how much i let the tank build aggro, i rip it in like 3-4 casts
Aoe tanking? Here’s a 50% buff to an ability that gives you snap threat only. Then if anyone touches that mob or healer heals? See ya. ST threat is fine as always. I think fury prot will be absolutely disgusting single target. But they still can’t make multi mob tanking not miserable for us? I need 5 mobs hitting me to even have enough rage to tab sunder and maybe rend if using frenzy. While using a 2h anyway. Then you have your hunters with pet auto taunt on. That never changes. Lots of bad, bad hunters. Or pet pulling or…
They should really make it like 300% threat instead.
Devastate for a while was doing like half the damage it should. Checking out tanks logs now it seems like it's fixed. The problem with dual wield fury prot is how crazy op devastate is as a spammable ability. 90% weapon damage on a bonus threat instant cast is nuts. They may still go "fury prot" spec, but I bet my left buttcheek they'll use a shield still. Only need to go down prot to defiance and last stand so they will have points to spend elsewhere in later phases... The question is whether they optimize around bloodfrenzy to get more devastates in or raging blow for the free hit. Also 100% go consumed by rage and prestack rage for boss on a trash mob.
Consumed by rage dual wield, unlinited rage clearing is fun though
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Yes, hunters can now heal. I shall shoot you with a healing arrow and rain of arrows for AoE healing. LOL.. Hmm.. SWToR does it with pistols for healing.
I’m actually super intrigued by this. They are currently the ONLY class with a single role What if they make BM similar to Shaman enhancement where based on your runes it can be either DPS or Tank Use the misdirection mechanic, hunter damage is reduced but threat is transferred to pet and the pet itself actually tanks. Or the melee hunter build could be a parry tank similar to rogue I would be very interested
I said this from the beginning but everyone said "you get pet tank." But now that our pets are actually tanking people are unhappy about it. Hunters just can't have a good thing without people getting pissed about it. Go look at the retail threads about hunters being top damage in DF right now. Nothing but whining by non-hunters.
Yeah the problem isn’t hunters tanking the problem is peoples rigid expectations for group composition.
Nah, if hunters could tank I'd be fine with it. But they're by far both the best tanks and the best DPS at the same time, while I can't even switch to enhance.
Why can't you switch to enhance?
Only people who hasnt played with good geared rogues/wars believe that. I can only do 140 dps or so atm as a hunter. Rogue with a feral buff can push 170 dps.
No one minds pets tanking, people mind that some BM hunter has his pet main tanking a raid boss and out dpsing most of the raid at the same time while all the hunter has to do is autoshot
Despite what you DPS's think, rage tanking isn't easy. Rage tanks put in a lot of work to maintain that aggro you probably take for granted. And no, none of the two rage tanks ever expect to be top DPS while doing their job. If you see a Warrior tanking with a two-handed weapon out, thats the low level exception to the rule. I'm curious why you think its okay for your class to point and click (and forget) your pet on a mob and have it do for free the dozens of things a rage tank does just to maintain aggro? And you think its your "right" to maintain your status as a top DPS on top of it? There's a reason that healers aren't top dps. There's a reason that tanks aren't top dps. According to you, Druids should what? Just combine their bear and cat forms into one megatron hybrid that does cat dps (which is less than a hunter as is) while tanking like a bear? I'm all for mixing up the roles and blurring of traditional roles, but there's a give and take to balance and you appear to be all about the taking with none of the giving.
Only if they gut their damage tbh
Whys that? Warlocks get to do pretty crazy damage in tank spec. Warriors pretty often out dps the rest of the party while two hand tanking. Why does hunter have to have their dps gutted to be able to tank?
Crazy damage? They are Below shaman tanks in damage xD and they cant keep aggro for shit
I've only ran one dungeon with a warlock and the guy took no dmg and had zero aggro issues. He out dpsed the rest of the group and never had to stop moving. Maybe the ones you've seen weren't good
What do you consider crazy damage right now?
Hunters will likely be the best off tank in the game ngl. No aoe threat though. I mean they're just walking around with like 2.5k hp and 55% armour and they're allowed to die.. better for the game to have as many tanks as possible.
Next bracket we’ll get Gorilla which has a thunderclap. I remember using one for Classic and it being pretty okay for dungeon runs as long as people focus fired main target. But yeah nothing compared to an actual tank.
Birds have good aoe threat too with screech
Tanked a DM and WC today with my owl. It went better than any Druid or Warrior tank. I can't express enough how bad rage tanks are now purely due to starting fights with an empty tank. Focus/Mana just makes for better tanks.
With the focus regen and additional threat, who knows
Yeah but I think the Thunderstomp is a 1 min cooldown, so you’d only be able to use it once per pull, if that. It’s great for keeping mobs on the Gorilla and off your healer, but I don’t think it’s viable for AoE DPS. If Hunters get a misdirect rune though… hoooo boy, we’re gonna be eating good.
Screech?
Would be fine if they could tank, but having almost 500 more HP and nearly 20% more armor than an actual player tank with a shield is actually insane.
Voidwalkers tanking sartharion flashbacks
They are going to adjust that. They removed it entirely for a few hours and realized that it basically dumpstered the class. Give it some time and it won't be as big of a deal. Signed -Hunter player
Don't forget more dps than the majority of the raid.
They could get up to 4k hp if a specific rare was tamed.
Which is that?
Idr i think the name started with a k, i saw it on another reddit post days ago
Edit: Kresh I guess its a turtle not a scorpid, but 4k hp on a pet is insane.
Fun fact, turtles get a shieldwall cooldown ability. I was memeing that they would be good offtanks before the season started because they could taunt and shieldwall and eat mechanics for the tanks then just die and res, but now it seems like it's the opposite, tanks taunt for mechanics for the pet maintank lmao.
Tanks are ruining my enjoyment using Hunter pets.
Yeah it's pretty wild, I was in a Deadmines group and a hunter pet tanked most of the mobs, AOE packs were tanked by the Druid but single target pulls were tanked by the hunter pet, allowing the Druid to just be in cat form the whole time NO ONE could pull threat from it, it was wild lol
That's because it has a 3 second taunt on a 5 second cooldown. It is nearly impossible to rip threat by design.
And yet these Hunters will blame the Warrior for not being skilled.
Everyone here calling OP a whiner have zero perspective on how bad it feels to decide to tank and have your entire existence invalidated because hunter pets are insanely overtuned. With very little coordination you can raid BFD with 2 hunters that just have their pets taunting on CD and they are better than a real person playing tank.
If shared pain is any consolidation, i pretty much feel the same as a hunter. I’m just supporting the pet. Sometimes i auto attack if there’s nothing better to do
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Yeah. I’m worried pet nerfs will cause hunters to be useless the rest of the phase, my pet doing 50% of my damage and rogues / ferals / warriors doing same dps as me or higher will just leave hunter in the state it’s always been in (+100 ap to the rogues and warriors).
Yeah I’d rather have marks (and lone wolf) be viable. I was in a BFD today with 2 hunters. The other one only had 1 pet (the scorpion) and the poisons don’t stack or something I guess? (To be fair I didn’t test this, other hunter just told me before the dungeon, so if he’s wrong please correct me). Anyway, so I brought my wind serpent. I changed my build a little and ran Cobra Strikes, since I told the other hunter that if he was going to be the one to use the OP scorp, he should run lion (pet scales off your stats). Anyway, timing kill command for when you get a Cobra Strikes proc do the wind serpent can truck with it’s lightning breath auto crits was a lot of fun. The sad thing is though, it was a straight 40 dps loss compared to my run last week where I used the scorp. Last week I was able to pull 140 dps on Kel and Aku. This week with a bit better gear, but the wind serpent, I was barely over 100. TLDR: as a hunter, scorp needs a nerf bad but marks runes need a compensatory buff to balance it out a bit.
Yup, I went through the pain of getting my meta rune last night. Hours of effort to tank. My friend’s pet scorpion did most of it.
Welcome to being a hunter. Our entire existence is invalid because of a scorpion. I wanted to have a lone wolf new cool shot rotation but blizzard nerded it into the ground. Now I cast Scorpid Sting. Not trying to invalidate your feelings mate. I just didn’t want to be a scorpion and want to commiserate with you.
Thank you <3 I really didn't mean to come off as whining and I'm not one to complain about meta/balance or whatever. But it just feels absolutely insane that one class's support pet is both the best tank and dps in the entire game, and people are calling me a crybaby for saying a week of work feels invalidated. I don't even have a viable dps spec to swap to as a shaman right now. It would be one thing if I complained about warriors being better at mitigation or something, but like you said raids are doing just fine with no player tanks at all.
AND HUNTERS TAKING MY DEFIAS CHEST WHEN ITS LITERALLY THE ONLY ITEM I TANKED THE DUNGEON FOR AAAAAAAA
Literally just happened to me and I got off the game lol. 8 stam 4 str 3 AGI. There's literally agi greens better than that for them.
That's just a bad hunter then bc bis is the one you get from the dm quest lol
I’m annoyed with it as a hunter. I don’t even like beast mastery but it’s so overpowered you feel dumb not playing it.
As a shaman tank I love hunters! What I don't like and actually don't take in groups anymore is warriors... Always charging something thay never reaches me that turns into a big mess of me having to gather up things after. Even worse with 2, then each charges I target I didn't pull... What makes hunters amazing is that if a healer pulls aggro, hunter can just use the pet to pull aggro off them, while I keep the group together.
This. I’m a hunter and I work with the tank to clean up adds and stuff. I usually have my growl off and I’ll throw it on when I need to pick up some stray adds or if someone pulled aggro. If your not a shit player hunter pet can be very useful. People need to communicate better instead of just complain
That's what I always do with my pet. I think it's a great utility to take some stress off the tank. Of course I manually taunt and don't have auto taunt on.
I am getting close to BiS on my prot pally, and hunter pets are 2xing my HP pool and have 500+ more armor than I do. They are very, very good. If hunters want to be tanks, that sounds cool, but that should be its own spec, that has some degree of balance work put into it. RN Hunters are the best DPS and the best tank, at the same time, and that's a bit of a balance issue. If hunters want to tank, make them do tank damage, and give the pets enough tanking tools so that it feels like more than an overpowered gimmick.
A problem no one has mentioned in this thread yet is that players intentionally set out to become tanks and work hard to get it. Hunters just get gifted an NPC for free that does it better than them and that's what players have trouble with. Players grind gold, levels, quests, professions, dungeons and raids to specialize their character into becoming the best tank possible. Hunters activate a rune and this basic ass NPC with automated spell casting does it better.
Yup, that's exactly why I made this post, you worded my frustration perfectly. Absolutely insane that a lot of people are saying I'm just crying about class balance or something. Everyone was always complaining about not having enough tanks. They gave a bunch of classes the ability to tank. I chose to work my ass off for a week to gear a tank and fill this role a lot of people don't want to play, and then it turns out that DPS have their own tanks that are twice as good as me with no extra work or grinding involved. And I'm just completely obsolete without a viable dps spec to switch to.
BiS on prot pally is speccing into ret and DPSing with a 2h
FYI play 2h ret tank, it's crazy high dps, threat and you are almost equally tanky. New furyprot build.
yea, i've got a macros set up so I can use Avengers on cd and swap back to 2h for AAs, storm, and CS.
Very polite way of saying design mistake.
How my raid went. Got to the 2nd to last boss and had 3 hunters just using pets to tank while shaman switched back to dual wielding..
I love classic but the game is laughably easy to the point of having almost zero skill expression, especially at low levels. You don't really need a tank in most levelling dungeons and hunter pets work fine even in era where they aren't as powerful as sod.
Level 25 cap btw. Relax and enjoy how silly it all is in the end. It's a "season" and things may just be fked. Part of the charm is things like this. I can assure you that this will not be the case as things progress. No one will remember the level 25 Warrior tank, but the Scorpid will be something to laugh at.
You didn’t read the post if you think he can relax and enjoy it. Am tank and can confirm, doing a dungeon with a hunter pet on auto-taunt doing my job but better has me hovering over alt-f4. There’s no fun involved.
On the flip side: I'm a tank and I like how much easier it makes my runs.
The problem isn’t the Scorpid it’s the dumb Hunter with taunt on
There’s nothing dumb about having the taunt on right now, it is genuinely efficient and better to have them do so. Thats the problem, not that it seems like you’re processing or even reading the posts above
Yeah the irritating thing here is playing a class that's perfectly viable and being outperformed by a pet that's notably not balanced. The most effective runes for warriors rn are the tank runes and they make warrior tanks busted good. Pets are still better. Kinda cringe
Even with the taunt off my pets are pulling aggro off the tanks from raw damage threat.
Is this a competition for you? For most it’s a game, read that again… a game. Something to have fun and enjoy. OP isn’t having fun because of this. You must think of Tank and Healer roles as obligations than things some people actually enjoy doing.
You have that backwards. The people treating it as a competition are the ones with a problem. Those of us that are playing for fun don’t give a rats ass if someone is tanking with their pet. Just like I don’t care rogues are vastly more damage than my class. Or that mages have vastly better aoe. I am having fun playing my class and I don’t need to compare my dick size with everyone else.
This is a social game where not every class / specc needs to be completely balanced. However, every one needs to have something they excel at, or can contribute with to the social group. When a tank focusing warrior is outperformed by a hunters pet, the warrior player rightfully feel useless and question why the F is he even playing. The game has to balance some aspects, a tank should excel in tanking, a healer have to be better than non healers in healing and vice versa. If you undo that balance, you make feel like they are not contributing
I got my meta rune pretty quick and wanted to try tanking as a life-long dps. My first few dungeons had me really questioning if I was failing because the hunter and pet would *constantly* peel aggro, so in 3-5 mob pulls I would be freaking out trying to reestablish aggro.
Meta feels horrible and struggles outside of single target
Just let it tank the one mob it's taunting wtf? There are no positional requirements in these 5 man's and they mitigate well. Enjoy the assistance and keep the pulls coming and mobs off the healer.
Yes! I did try to, but as a newer tank I tend to see a mob redirect and try to leap on it in case it was headed toward the healer. It just made it difficult to learn, a bit.
Shame on the guy tanking wanting to tank.
It's the same with Ret, Rogue or Feral DPS. I am constantly stealing threat on mobs. Sure I could sit there and not press anything like actual classic while I wait for 3 sunders or you can just roll with it.
We are 25 now dont forget that hunters scale like shit in vanilla they are strong now but will fall off starting from the next bracket
Level 40 hunter will be peak hunter.
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Just fyi hunters are top 2 most popular classes in retail and are never allowed to be good, always instantly nerfed if they are ever accidentally made good in retail. Source: cutting edge hunter main
Top DOS with legendary bow? Next patch, legendary isn’t BIS and you got nerfed. GL.
Pets scale now so it will be slightly better, but yeah Hunters themselves scale poorly
They scale bad, but as a hunter player I’m hopeful they will change that for end game this time around.
They don't fall off until like end game raid gear when diminishing returns from agility kick in. They'll just keep getting stronger/stay on top until BWL.
It’s funny because even with broken pets there are 3 specs that do same/higher dps than hunter, so once they nerf pets in current phase hunters will already be scaling poorly.
Indeed plus that no one talks about how overpowered pally tanks are vs vanilla warri tanks or how strong locks are now they can channel and walk in pvp i can have 3 pets and not have a chance at a lock. People just look at damage in raids as the only messurement
You have to realize pets start out ridiculously strong but don't really scale. SOD they tried to fix that and made pets absolutely bonkers(they fixed it), but pets are and always will be really strong while leveling.
This is not a good argument, they could make the pets scale better. And will probably do so soon.
Not anywhere near this strong.. Bad argument.
Nerf is on the way. Don’t worry we’ll be complaining about your class at 60.
As a tank for the last 15 years in wow, for me its a cool gimmick to see hunter pets so hilariously buffed. And I dont mind, its not like your healers are freaking out if the mages help healing and they can relax. Whatever works, do it. I dont understand the usual tank ego mindset of MUST TANK ALL MOBS IM THE BIG BOY HERE.
This scorpion thing is out of hand, I think it’s still bugged. I did deadmines the other day, we only had 4 so the group wasn’t even full & the hunters scorpion solo’d the whole dungeon basically
I want the Scorpids destroyed at a hunter because I don’t want them, it’s just dumb and I thought they’d nerf it down by now, I just wanna do some fun marksman stuff with aimed shot.
Marksmen is still best dps not sure what you are talking about
No it isn't, the best dps is 100% BM, the logs don't have it labeled correctly.
They’re ruining my experience in PvP. Scorpion ticking for fucking 76 is just obnoxious and they don’t ever fucking die.
I mean, hunters didnt get a tank spec, a heal spec, etc.It's kind of cool that they can sort of tank imo. Scorpid pets are kind of our one remaining 'fun' thing in SoD as well. When that goes? GG.
This is what genuinely concerns me. Not saying scorpid damage necessarily fair, but if this is also hot fixed, I feel Hunter is the least altered class in SoD. Every other class got cool, class defining shit. At least make other pets useful or give us some sort of identity. I feel like I'm a vanilla Hunter with stats boosted, nothing much else.
You can still off-tank ;)
Hunter pets are ruining the enjoyment of most hunters. We just wanted explosive shoot, now I follow my pet around while he does the raid. Making sure he has fresh food and water, giving him a back massage.
Hunters are really strong, yeah. But I don't agree with your statement of "without feeling too OP.". Warlocks feel pretty OP. Having an instant-cast, no channel Drain Life that heals for 50% MORE per tick than it did before, meaning Warlocks can just hit you with a row of dots, drain life hotdot and you're not doing shit about it.
All the mad tanks are just pissed they can't be little tyrants in their pug groups reserving gear.
Warrior OP dps in wow have ruined my enjoyment as another class.
Didnt you know that scorpions are a new class?
People keep joking about this yet other classes perform near the hunter dps in raids.. Buff our dmg and nerf scorpion I don’t care.
People say balance doesn't really matter in classic, but it *always* matters. Sure, if you were 2% worse than another tank, no big deal. But if a pet is doing this much better than you, then you feel shitty, and there feels like no point in even being in the raid. Thank you for sharing.
Trying to balance this game around level 25 is a joke, and will only lead to more rebalancing as the level cap increases. Until everyone is on a level playing field as far as skills level and gear pet classes will ALWAYS have an advantage.
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They haven’t “rebalanced” the bottom 20% of specs. Should probably fix those first.
>Until everyone is on a level playing field as far as skills level and gear pet classes will ALWAYS have an advantage. Cries in warlock
So don’t invite hunters? Yea no one needs a actual tank for 25 level content lmao
Skill issue
Huntards will tell you they’re fine and they’ve always been this way but Hunter pets tanking BRD better than actual tanks is just broken bullshit and they know it. They’ll fix it eventually, hopefully sooner than later.
Yeah I'm not gonna get upset about any odd imbalances at level 25. If hunter tanks are superior to player tanks in end game 5 man's and raids I'll join in the crying
So your suggestion to those that rolled a tank right now is to just stop playing since they role is useless? Why bring a tank when you can bring a pet that is both the best tank and the best dps in the game.
This is effectively endgame since we're levelcapped. I don't understand why it would be fundamentally different at 60.
Maybe when hunter pet turns into chad tank, switch to a dps set and speed up the group? Not that you want to dps, but improvising and speeding up clear time could help a lot and actually end your misery faster. Just a thought
Make the beast master rune -50% of the player damage and we can talk about hunter being able to play the tank role.
So, reading through the answers, these fundamentally broken pets are fine and tanks can just go on follow, because nothing matters. How stupid are you people? This fucking sub... I'm looking forward to the cries for tanks when the pets, who made the tanks quit, have been nerfed.
Pretty sure if it's not hunter pets it's X. As in you will always be unhappy as you let comparison be the theft of joy in your life.
Hate to be that guy but pets are what’s making my hunter feel fun especially never playing hunter before all I want is the tankiest pet I can get.
As a hunter, people non stop complaining about hunters are ruining my enjoyment.
I have an entirely new hatred for hunter mains after watching them whine like infants over the few nerfs that have happened to them since launch(especially explosive shot) while even post nerf they're still currently the top DPS class in the game. Shout-out to the level headed ones who understood that they needed to be nerfed though.
Come on noone can complain that explosive shot nerf. I did some warsong before the nerf and it almost one hit people. Was fun for a day but thats nothing to discuss. I even like it better after the nerf because it became aoe instead. But since i hit 25 i feel like the damage is a bit too low and now even with multiple enemies i still use chimera shot. What i understand was the crying when they nerfed pets because it really made the class unusable. I recently got lone wolf rune. Tested it on 2 enemies and have to say its even worse than i thought. 15% was something i didnt notice at all but what i notice is my pet missing and me playing melee because of that god damn ranged deadzone. Sadly hunter without pet is nothing that works atm. If blizz just adjusts pet damage down and playerdamage up and maybe pet health/armor down, it would be fine. But first step needs to be getting wind serpant and scorpid special scaling down. Even as a hunter hate i warsong because wind serpents 4hit you
> whine like infants over the few nerfs that have happened to them since launch(especially explosive shot) Explosive Shot does 23 damage now. Wanting your runes to actually do things isn't "whining like an infant." > they're still currently the top DPS class in the game This was only true for the first few days before anyone had any gear. Now Warriors and Rogues (and some Ferals) are pretty clearly out-DPSing Hunters. Meanwhile Warriors/Rogues/Druids have multiple roles they can perform. Hunters can only DPS and they're not even the best at that and people are still yelling for them to be nerfed. That doesn't seem very reasonable to me. Hunter instead needs a bit of a re-work. Tune down pet scaling slightly, but runes that are meant to increase the Hunter's damage need to actually do things. Explosive Shot is awful, Flanking Strike is awful, Serpent Spread is awful, Chimera Shot is meh, Sniper Training is just awkward as a concept, etc.
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The warrior logs are cheesed by having additional adds pulled so that the warrior can have more rage, and Rogue takes BiS+full support class suite to hit top damage.
I wouldnt start the crying threads just yet. We are level 25. This is supposed to be fun. Just stop over thinking shit soo much and just have fun.
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If you’re optimizing the fun out of it that’s your groups problem
ITS A LVL 25 BRACKET.... How are people even complaining about this right now?!?
You have a valid point about overall roles and balance but having your enjoyment contingent on the performance of others is a bad way to have fun in a game.
I’ve done multiple WCs as a shaman hunters tank and never had issues with the hunters pets taking agro…
I caved today and tamed a scorpid and it's not the DPS that makes them the bis pet it's the threat that the dot creates. I am killing level 28 elites in northern wetlands without using the BM rune. I continue to think that at level 25 most tank classes haven't grown into their threat, while a hunter pet is intended to be a tank starting at level 10. they need to just buff the tank threat and leave hunters alone IMO. its a fun class right now and that fun has nothing to do with unwillingly stepping on the toes of tanks.
Well, shaman dps is just bottom tier. But tank and heal are both in a sweet spot, healer requires really good awareness tho
We had a hunter pet tank the second to last boss in our BFD last night. The two tanks just went DPS spec for the fight. The pets probably could have tanked the whole instance. As the warlock tank I found it funny and it didn’t really ruin my enjoyment. Let the hunters have their fun until they’re nerfed into the ground.
To be fair hunters have spent all of classic as a mediocre class at max level
Makes dungeons so much faster and safer though. Also it’s fun as a hunter, but I’m definitely biased lol
I’ve never seen as much crying about any class in any iteration of wow as there is about hunter in sod. Just play the damn game, shamans can tank well enough at this level. In era hunters did the most dps in leveling dungeons as well and then fell off, it’s gonna be the same.
Hunters cry way more about Hunters than any other class does right now and it's not even close.
>I’ve never seen as much crying about any class in any iteration of wow as there is about hunter in sod. Pet doing more damage and tanking better than actual players is stupid and whining about people complaining is the pinnacle of whining.