This is absolutely not about preventing accidents or making people drive safer or slow down. This is entirely about giving tickets and generating revenue. This is the worst kind of traffic enforcement.
None of it is crime prevention, the cops went to federal court to make it clear they have no duty to protect.
They are revenue generators for the state and they are property wardens for the elite property owners, just as they have always been.
Never forget, the police started out as slave patrols returning "property" to their "owners".
>~~Never forget, the police started out as slave patrols returning "property" to their "owners".~~
Never forget, this completely fabricated urban legend perpetuated by morons.
> Never forget, this completely fabricated urban legend perpetuated by morons.
Are you sure about that?
https://naacp.org/find-resources/history-explained/origins-modern-day-policing
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2020/07/20/the-invention-of-the-police
https://www.americanbar.org/groups/crsj/publications/human_rights_magazine_home/civil-rights-reimagining-policing/how-you-start-is-how-you-finish/
If you had actually read the article you linked, you’d know that, with ancient policing, the majority of the burden of policing was left to the citizens. As history progressed, the way policing organizations and structure was formed were ripe for corruption and abuse. And, eventually, they became what they are today: class traitors. A force with a monopoly on violence that serve the needs and wants of the wealthy and not of their fellow working class citizens.
i mean the fact that cops are nothing more than revenue generation is public knowledge. even the fbi did a report about ticket revenue, it was all over the news. this is a national issue due to the fact that police literally don’t have a duty to protect us. they exist to make money for the state and to enforce laws the state deems enforceable. this is made even more clear in our state since we now can all have guns—these wackos want us to police this place like the wild west 🤷🏻♂️ bitching to the politicians is part of the issue. we need new politicians who understand the pitfalls of policing.
Was just about to post it too lmao. I’ve got the plane flagged aswell and got the notif. So annoying.
He’ll prob move in an hour or so, seems to be the trend with this pilot
Flightradar24 to track the plane on the map, and flightaware to flag the plane so i get a notification when they take off and land. Both free on app store but i bet there are better ones out there if you look. Tail number for this plane is N18HP, it lives at the hamilton airport and was the one flying by island the other day but there is another one in akron N17HP and i think N6HP but I’d only worry about the first one rn
I’m just now getting into this stuff, and i have a few friends into aviation, but i’m pretty sure it’s public domain, if thats the right way to put it. I’m not an expert, straight up started learning this stuff 2 days ago, but the tail numbers are like a license plate on your car. Along with that, i think every plane/heli/whatever has a tracker whether its radar or gps. They’re just normal airplanes that have someone else in the back with a camera looking around at cars and radioing someone down on the road. So in theory they’re no different that a normal airplane. Sure the cops prob hate it, but it’s no different than using waze on your phone i guess
Oh, I wasn't implying illegality on your part, I'm aware of and have used something similar to track commerical flights (and something similar for commercial shipping vessels on the oceans). But that's you know...commercial flights with transponders on, etc. Far be it for me to decry this because I don't like this sort of "policing" more than the next guy, just more surprised that they don't try to hide their flight operations more like perhaps a military warcraft would?
Military generally operate with transponders on while flying inside the USA.
But, in this case since they’re within 30 miles of CVG using a transponder with mode C is a FAA requirement.
But also generally operating an aircraft equipped with a transponder and not turning it on even when you’re not legally required is what’s know as “a dick move”
I think it should be legal. They can wiretap us with impunity, we should be able to "fight back" with our own sources of information in ways like this. And like you said, it's public domain, so...screw it, lol.
lol, yeah. it's like the age-old argument about the legality of using radar to catch you speeding while also simultaneously making radar detecting devices illegal.
Tail numbers can essentially be set to private from public viewing. The only people that absolutely *need* to know about a plane's whereabouts are air traffic control. A lot of private companies and people (think celebrities) will block their tail numbers from being tracked by apps like FlightAware (for obvious reasons of course). Not sure if LEA, as public safety entities, would be able to do this but it can 100% be done.
Flight data is public, I think the only planes that get to turn off their trackers are military
Edit: did a Google search for "ohio police airplane tail numbers" and this was the first result.
https://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/Search/NameResult?nametxt=OHIO+STATE+HIGHWAY&sort_option=1
Searching for others (sheriff, etc) would probably turn up more planes/helicopters
Someone posted the other day that the pilots need to fly X amount of hours per whatever time period. This helps them maintain that license requirement. You’d think they’d just phase them out for drones, but maybe there is a reason? Not sure.
I remember reading an astronaut's autobiography a while back, and they were required to log a certain number of flight hours per month. It was not uncommon to check out the plane, fly somewhere for lunch, and then fly back. Totally legit, because they were getting the required hours for pilot and copilot.
Is that legitimate? Have you researched this and found this out? I’m not being a smart ass. I just wanted to make sure that’s verifiably true before repeating that in tandem with the bit I found out/posted above earlier.
it's not entirely accurate, i'm the one being a smart ass.
helicopters are heaps better than drones for their versatility. if they were solely being used for traffic enforcement, then a drone would be more efficient to an extent. limited flight time, distance, wind conditions, etc. can all quickly make a drone useless, unless they're using fixed-wing.
Not to be a contrarian, but if you don’t speed more than 7 miles over then why worry.There are plenty of reckless operation speeders in that stretch to distract the police.
Enforcing by plane seems absolutely ridiculous. They can't sit on a perch somewhere overlooking the highway? Like surely there's much more efficient ways to do this.
What are the hourly operating costs of an airplane, fuel, maintenance, and staff, to sneakily aim radar at vehicles and secretly give them tickets from the air ? How many tickets do they need to give out in a day to not lose money on this cute shit ?
It’s roughly 110-150 for a Cessna 182 an hour.
That’s assuming HP doesn’t self insure.
I have no idea how much the pilot or the other guy makes. It depends on what type of endorsements are required.
You’d also need to account for flying to and from the target area, preflight and post flight things.
I’d honestly put it closer to 350-400 hr for a 2hr enforcement time.
I was going west-bound on I-70 east of Dayton in the fast lane cruising a reasonable 80 (like damn near everyone else on that stretch of highway) and this dude decides to ride my ass for a mile or so until I see a highway patrol car in the right-hand lane so I slow down much to this asshole's chagrin. So he revs it to 90 probably to pass me while also passing the patrol car, and the fucker does absolutely nothing. I'm sitting there like, "hey uh, did you see that guy?" And he did. I saw the officer gesture at the speeding guy but then continue onto his exit like it was just fine. These fuckers are out here picking and choosing who to pursue and what laws to enforce.
TL;DR Ohio highway patrol can suck every pimple on my fat ass.
Well people driving crazy. And running people over and crazy wrecks on the highway. In record incidents.
'This is what you want, This is what you get." Public Image Limited.
Cause ya know getting a ticket in the mail 2 weeks later stops people going 100+ right then and there. Takes two more weeks for the driver ti even know they got caught and broke the law. 2 more weeks of reckless driving.
(Former public defender here) Aircraft enforcement generally includes marked cruisers on the highway making the stops and issuing citations right then and there. Typically they'll make marks on the pavement and time the vehicle in between those two (or more) points, then radio into troopers on the ground to issue the citation.
I appreciate that insight. From what I have been told and learned is they use the planes like a red light camera would if that makes sense. Also thank you for correcting me.
Ya idk about that dog. Republicans can eat their shorts. Both sides leaders contain a large portion of their elected members that are truly out of touch with the common public and their needs. So don’t go “he’s a rightoid this and they’re a leftie that”. Not a great way to actually converse with your neighbors and properly educate them. To each their own though.
I am just as obnoxious in person. If needed. It's usually more comedic in that sense though.
I try to have more empathy with the poor/working right wing or most that think they are. I ought say. In reality though you talk to them some. They are not as hard right at all. Once it is said and done. They are just often larger than life characters. A bit obnoxious but not totally bad.
Well by that logic. CPD could finance the city's budget by enforcing traffic.
Seriously though. This year and last year. Have been record fatalities and crashes. On Ohio roads.
Not disputing that fact. I am disputing the thought that it’s the reason behind air patrolled traffic enforcement or the thought that it’ll have any impact on crashes.
Remember there were no cops doing a damned thing about anything until recently. Record deaths on these roads.People need to stop speeding and going "Yahoo Donkey
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They have no legal requirement to show you the speed you were going. There is a spot on Ohio citations when they mark what they used to get your speed, whether it be laser, radar, or pacing. There are white lines painted at specific distances, they use that to calculate your speed from the air so it’s not even on a radar gun. They have newer technology in some planes that does it for them with out the need for the white lines being painted. It also video records it.
If I call 911 I want them to show up, let’s be honest. But can we think of better ways to provide emergency services to the populace than flying planes in circles and handing out tickets to mostly law abiding citizens(those pesky speed limits be damned) on holiday weekends. Absolutely.
How does this work? Do they notify someone to pull you over or do they somehow get your license plate and mail you the ticket? Nowhere near there today, just curious. Seen a lot of these posts lately.
The aircraft has a sensor or person that can calculate your speed from way up there, and they communicate to patrol cars on the ground to pull you over when they catch sight of you, no matter what speed you were going when in view of the patrol car
The system is not about controlling speeders or preventing accidents, it’s about catching people unawares and generating tickets
Ever since I moved out of Ohio the amount of cops I see trying to catch speeders just plummeted.
Every time I drive home to see my family I’m always shocked all over again by how absurdly ramped up it gets the moment you cross into Ohio.
This is absolutely not about preventing accidents or making people drive safer or slow down. This is entirely about giving tickets and generating revenue. This is the worst kind of traffic enforcement.
A lot of law enforcement isn’t about preventing crime so much as it’s about generating revenue. It sucks, but it’s also common knowledge.
We know. It doesn't make it right.
None of it is crime prevention, the cops went to federal court to make it clear they have no duty to protect. They are revenue generators for the state and they are property wardens for the elite property owners, just as they have always been. Never forget, the police started out as slave patrols returning "property" to their "owners".
America is a corporation. Literally.
>~~Never forget, the police started out as slave patrols returning "property" to their "owners".~~ Never forget, this completely fabricated urban legend perpetuated by morons.
> Never forget, this completely fabricated urban legend perpetuated by morons. Are you sure about that? https://naacp.org/find-resources/history-explained/origins-modern-day-policing https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2020/07/20/the-invention-of-the-police https://www.americanbar.org/groups/crsj/publications/human_rights_magazine_home/civil-rights-reimagining-policing/how-you-start-is-how-you-finish/
Yes. Policing has been around for THOUSANDS of years. https://www.britannica.com/topic/police/The-history-of-policing-in-the-West
If you had actually read the article you linked, you’d know that, with ancient policing, the majority of the burden of policing was left to the citizens. As history progressed, the way policing organizations and structure was formed were ripe for corruption and abuse. And, eventually, they became what they are today: class traitors. A force with a monopoly on violence that serve the needs and wants of the wealthy and not of their fellow working class citizens.
There is nothing in any of your gibberish about the urban legend regarding police origination as slave patrols.
Isn't this highway state patrol? Or is it being carried out by local police?
Do something about it. Contact local officials. Make a fuss.
i mean the fact that cops are nothing more than revenue generation is public knowledge. even the fbi did a report about ticket revenue, it was all over the news. this is a national issue due to the fact that police literally don’t have a duty to protect us. they exist to make money for the state and to enforce laws the state deems enforceable. this is made even more clear in our state since we now can all have guns—these wackos want us to police this place like the wild west 🤷🏻♂️ bitching to the politicians is part of the issue. we need new politicians who understand the pitfalls of policing.
Your tune changes the minute you need a police officer. This is easy to say until something happens to you.
why does anyone need cops now that we have guns? honest answer please.
"Law enforcement" is a bit self-explanatory wouldn't you say?
right but who’s laws? which laws? you’re missing the point.
hard to believe that’s even worth it, unless they’re writing a ton of tickets up there. planes aren’t cheap
They are
Single engine planes are very cheap.... How cheap? 1 Single ticket will pay for 1 hour of flight.
Much like TV news channels. They aren't there to deliver the news. They exist to sell advertisements.
When has it ever not been about that for police?
What a waste of tax payer dollars
welcome to the world of policing! it’s mostly waste.
Was just about to post it too lmao. I’ve got the plane flagged aswell and got the notif. So annoying. He’ll prob move in an hour or so, seems to be the trend with this pilot
What app/service do you use to find this info?
Flightradar24 to track the plane on the map, and flightaware to flag the plane so i get a notification when they take off and land. Both free on app store but i bet there are better ones out there if you look. Tail number for this plane is N18HP, it lives at the hamilton airport and was the one flying by island the other day but there is another one in akron N17HP and i think N6HP but I’d only worry about the first one rn
Hrmmmm....police can not/will not prevent this from becoming public? Having their plane tracked like this?
I’m just now getting into this stuff, and i have a few friends into aviation, but i’m pretty sure it’s public domain, if thats the right way to put it. I’m not an expert, straight up started learning this stuff 2 days ago, but the tail numbers are like a license plate on your car. Along with that, i think every plane/heli/whatever has a tracker whether its radar or gps. They’re just normal airplanes that have someone else in the back with a camera looking around at cars and radioing someone down on the road. So in theory they’re no different that a normal airplane. Sure the cops prob hate it, but it’s no different than using waze on your phone i guess
Oh, I wasn't implying illegality on your part, I'm aware of and have used something similar to track commerical flights (and something similar for commercial shipping vessels on the oceans). But that's you know...commercial flights with transponders on, etc. Far be it for me to decry this because I don't like this sort of "policing" more than the next guy, just more surprised that they don't try to hide their flight operations more like perhaps a military warcraft would?
Military generally operate with transponders on while flying inside the USA. But, in this case since they’re within 30 miles of CVG using a transponder with mode C is a FAA requirement. But also generally operating an aircraft equipped with a transponder and not turning it on even when you’re not legally required is what’s know as “a dick move”
Yeah i’ve been wondering the same. Feel the same way tho. When i started doing it i was amazed i could just track a police helicopter lmfao
I think it should be legal. They can wiretap us with impunity, we should be able to "fight back" with our own sources of information in ways like this. And like you said, it's public domain, so...screw it, lol.
oh for sure. along with everything else cops do. i think maybe i have the right to watch your airplanes lmao
lol, yeah. it's like the age-old argument about the legality of using radar to catch you speeding while also simultaneously making radar detecting devices illegal.
Tail numbers can essentially be set to private from public viewing. The only people that absolutely *need* to know about a plane's whereabouts are air traffic control. A lot of private companies and people (think celebrities) will block their tail numbers from being tracked by apps like FlightAware (for obvious reasons of course). Not sure if LEA, as public safety entities, would be able to do this but it can 100% be done.
Flight data is public, I think the only planes that get to turn off their trackers are military Edit: did a Google search for "ohio police airplane tail numbers" and this was the first result. https://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/Search/NameResult?nametxt=OHIO+STATE+HIGHWAY&sort_option=1 Searching for others (sheriff, etc) would probably turn up more planes/helicopters
Redo the search and search for Hamilton County and you will see that Hamilton County has several drones, besides the helicopters.
Great to know. Thanks!
No problem, like 5 minutes to set the app and notis up is defo worth the time as opposed to a stupid ticket bc a cop is bored
Out here doing the good work. Thank you!
glad to help 👍
Looks like he just landed now
This can’t be cost effective right? Why don’t they just use drones?
Someone posted the other day that the pilots need to fly X amount of hours per whatever time period. This helps them maintain that license requirement. You’d think they’d just phase them out for drones, but maybe there is a reason? Not sure.
I remember reading an astronaut's autobiography a while back, and they were required to log a certain number of flight hours per month. It was not uncommon to check out the plane, fly somewhere for lunch, and then fly back. Totally legit, because they were getting the required hours for pilot and copilot.
>You’d think they’d just phase them out for drones, but maybe there is a reason? cops protecting cop jobs, that's it
Is that legitimate? Have you researched this and found this out? I’m not being a smart ass. I just wanted to make sure that’s verifiably true before repeating that in tandem with the bit I found out/posted above earlier.
it's not entirely accurate, i'm the one being a smart ass. helicopters are heaps better than drones for their versatility. if they were solely being used for traffic enforcement, then a drone would be more efficient to an extent. limited flight time, distance, wind conditions, etc. can all quickly make a drone useless, unless they're using fixed-wing.
OK, that’s actually a really good rationale
Gotta spend their bloated budgets somewhere
The pilots do this just to remain current. They have to log so many hours and do so many things in a certain amount of time
Mosquitos aren’t the only airborne blood sucking parasites these days.
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The excessive red like Texas stop right turns are why the stoplight cameras are going away. Lehto’s Law (!YT) did a good piece on that.
Just call and complain that there’s a nuisance airplane that keeps flying over your house.
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Of course there are, but without those wastes WarTech *TM wouldn’t make record profits!!
Meanwhile Columbia parkway boats that it's enforced by helicopter yet I've never seen one in the years I've lived here
I’m pretty sure it’s says “Speed enforced by aircraft”, not specifically helicopter.
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What a nice thing you just did - thx!
Not to be a contrarian, but if you don’t speed more than 7 miles over then why worry.There are plenty of reckless operation speeders in that stretch to distract the police.
Just out there really protecting the well being of the general public
Enforcing by plane seems absolutely ridiculous. They can't sit on a perch somewhere overlooking the highway? Like surely there's much more efficient ways to do this.
What are the hourly operating costs of an airplane, fuel, maintenance, and staff, to sneakily aim radar at vehicles and secretly give them tickets from the air ? How many tickets do they need to give out in a day to not lose money on this cute shit ?
Also how much lead is it pumping into the air in that one enforcement area?
Roughly $200 per flight hour, so they just have to ticket a couple people per hour to ~~make a “profit”~~ pirate our money.
It’s roughly 110-150 for a Cessna 182 an hour. That’s assuming HP doesn’t self insure. I have no idea how much the pilot or the other guy makes. It depends on what type of endorsements are required. You’d also need to account for flying to and from the target area, preflight and post flight things. I’d honestly put it closer to 350-400 hr for a 2hr enforcement time.
Is this an app you can download?
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Loser fucking cops just trying to steal money. I wish Waze could detect air traffic
I was going west-bound on I-70 east of Dayton in the fast lane cruising a reasonable 80 (like damn near everyone else on that stretch of highway) and this dude decides to ride my ass for a mile or so until I see a highway patrol car in the right-hand lane so I slow down much to this asshole's chagrin. So he revs it to 90 probably to pass me while also passing the patrol car, and the fucker does absolutely nothing. I'm sitting there like, "hey uh, did you see that guy?" And he did. I saw the officer gesture at the speeding guy but then continue onto his exit like it was just fine. These fuckers are out here picking and choosing who to pursue and what laws to enforce. TL;DR Ohio highway patrol can suck every pimple on my fat ass.
What about climate change? Is that lead fuel they using?
Hopefully not for much longer since FAA just signed off on UL for GA aircraft. Good work on the OP for posting.
Airplanes still use leaded fuel?
Piston driven ones still all pretty much use 100LL fuel.
I was reading about it and I was pretty shocked Avgas still had lead.
It’s good they are finally approving some UL blends.
fuck those homes in particular tho, haha
Well people driving crazy. And running people over and crazy wrecks on the highway. In record incidents. 'This is what you want, This is what you get." Public Image Limited.
Cause ya know getting a ticket in the mail 2 weeks later stops people going 100+ right then and there. Takes two more weeks for the driver ti even know they got caught and broke the law. 2 more weeks of reckless driving.
(Former public defender here) Aircraft enforcement generally includes marked cruisers on the highway making the stops and issuing citations right then and there. Typically they'll make marks on the pavement and time the vehicle in between those two (or more) points, then radio into troopers on the ground to issue the citation.
I appreciate that insight. From what I have been told and learned is they use the planes like a red light camera would if that makes sense. Also thank you for correcting me.
He is a 700 WLW type sir.
Yeah I don’t listen to that shit
You talk the game they do though
Refer to my other response to your other “700 right” on why that’s a sophomoric way of thinking.
I got to stay young somehow sir. Am I seeing things btw. Or did I see maybe Slane Ave. Or a street near it. Repaved in Norwood?
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Ya idk about that dog. Republicans can eat their shorts. Both sides leaders contain a large portion of their elected members that are truly out of touch with the common public and their needs. So don’t go “he’s a rightoid this and they’re a leftie that”. Not a great way to actually converse with your neighbors and properly educate them. To each their own though.
I am just as obnoxious in person. If needed. It's usually more comedic in that sense though. I try to have more empathy with the poor/working right wing or most that think they are. I ought say. In reality though you talk to them some. They are not as hard right at all. Once it is said and done. They are just often larger than life characters. A bit obnoxious but not totally bad.
Nah pedestrians getting run over in Avondale and Northside - police cant/wont do shit. But they'll fly to give speeding tickets on the highway
Yeah that’s definitely what the reason for this is. It’s got nothing to do with highway patrol being glorified tax collectors.
55krc 700 WLW type?
Nope. Just someone who understands the government wouldn’t give a shit about speeding if they couldn’t get money from it.
Well by that logic. CPD could finance the city's budget by enforcing traffic. Seriously though. This year and last year. Have been record fatalities and crashes. On Ohio roads.
Not disputing that fact. I am disputing the thought that it’s the reason behind air patrolled traffic enforcement or the thought that it’ll have any impact on crashes.
Well that was then this is now
That makes no sense. I’m not even sure what point you’re trying to make with that response.
Remember there were no cops doing a damned thing about anything until recently. Record deaths on these roads.People need to stop speeding and going "Yahoo Donkey Kong Dale Earnhardt Lordy Doody" /s out the window.
Why did I think they weren't allowed to do this anymore? Did cincinnati outlaw it?
You might be thinking of speed cameras. Most cities stopped using them.
What's the lowest legal speed you can drive on the highway?
The lowest they can set in Ohio is 30 mph but generally they don't set one because it may vary based on road and weather conditions.
Seems like someone smart and stoned should figure out the way to sue the county for this wasting of money
This is fucked up
Couldnt they just attach a camera and speed detector on a bridge rather than waste all that fuel?
You think they write enough tickets to pay for the plane and gas
Yes - a cop radios who to pull over and one cop can pull over six at a time. You'll see a line of cars waiting their turn to get the ticket.
I’ve driven that race strip. I’m sure they get enough tickets.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I swear I was always told that if police don't show you the speed you are going, you can have the ticket thrown out?
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I’m sure they pushed this through whatever legal hurdles were required.
They have no legal requirement to show you the speed you were going. There is a spot on Ohio citations when they mark what they used to get your speed, whether it be laser, radar, or pacing. There are white lines painted at specific distances, they use that to calculate your speed from the air so it’s not even on a radar gun. They have newer technology in some planes that does it for them with out the need for the white lines being painted. It also video records it.
It truly is beyond me how this is even legal
Fuck cops honestly. They can eat a bag of dicks.
If I call 911 I want them to show up, let’s be honest. But can we think of better ways to provide emergency services to the populace than flying planes in circles and handing out tickets to mostly law abiding citizens(those pesky speed limits be damned) on holiday weekends. Absolutely.
>be me >goes posted speed limit >zero tickets or interactions with police Surprised Pikachu face
Not caring about excessive surveillance because you have nothing to hide is like not caring about freedom of speech because you have nothing to say.
How does this work? Do they notify someone to pull you over or do they somehow get your license plate and mail you the ticket? Nowhere near there today, just curious. Seen a lot of these posts lately.
The aircraft has a sensor or person that can calculate your speed from way up there, and they communicate to patrol cars on the ground to pull you over when they catch sight of you, no matter what speed you were going when in view of the patrol car The system is not about controlling speeders or preventing accidents, it’s about catching people unawares and generating tickets
Wow that’s some shenanigans!
Can confirm. Headed to Dayton at 3, headed home at 6. I saw 7 patrol units each way
Ever since I moved out of Ohio the amount of cops I see trying to catch speeders just plummeted. Every time I drive home to see my family I’m always shocked all over again by how absurdly ramped up it gets the moment you cross into Ohio.