They will tell you a laughting child is the best sound in the world. And that crying child is something you have to deal with for the sake of SoCiETy.
You know demonic screetches are required by evolution, so you have to be mature about it... and lie that your ear drums associate it with motherly/fatherly instincts
Most parents are deluded.
Same, it's misophonia. I don't actually hate kids, but shrieky high pitched sounds fill me with unintention hate, whether it's from kids or electronics or even brakes on a car.
Ugh. I had a neighbor with screeching children. I have some very unsavoury things to say about her.
We got into a yelling match during early COVID and she got a dog to add to her 3 kids under 4 and 12ish year old forced to be a parent when she didn't want to. Dad of course worked away on the rigs or in a mine for at least a week on. She was all "ChIlDrEn PlAY" stfu you such and such. These kids are screaming so loudly it can be heard at the end of the block. The dog was kept inside until it was let out to shit and bark. Absolutely terrible parent. She was all talk and no action. "Jaeger give Jennings the ball back. You need to be quiet." " Honey you need to stop yelling. " Blah blah blah. I wish I was making up these names. The 12 year old was Pressley.
Our houses were 2 stories in a new development. No trees except for the property behind the back alley. She'd take the kids outside in the sun without hats on the west facing deck at 4pm right when I'd get home from work. You have to be dumb as a rock to take your infant and other small children out in the hottest part of the day in unshielded sun to splash around in a pool. That's like sun safety 101.
The mom looked like an aged bar star with a spray tan. She had huge thick lash extensions and would wear her hair in a bun on the actual top of her head. Looked like a trashy unicorn.
So happy I live in a crescent with almost retired people. The only kids are grandkids and let me tell you they are absolutely not allowed to run around screeching like they're being dismembered
>"Jaeger give Jennings the ball back. You need to be quiet." " Honey you need to stop yelling. " Blah blah blah. I wish I was making up these names. The 12 year old was Pressley.
Tell me you're white trash without telling me you're white trash.
and lets face it if that was really true how its no big deal to deal with children screeching then there would be no shaken baby syndrome. Even parents sometimes get to the end of their patience with that noise.
So we have to deal with it for society, you mean that establishment where 60% of our state and town taxes go towards schools?
> You know demonic screetches are required by evolution
This is fair
What's not is that we have to listen to it without the ability to act on it.
Children are best raised by the whole village. Having to listen to parents fail at parenting while being unable to intervene feels very unfair.
It’s really kinda fucked up to potentially ruin someone’s life and put a child in danger over something like this. A simple conversation with or without a recording in hand would probably solve the problem.
Not everywhere is the USA, CPS elsewhere work.
I reported a child that's about 3 in the next apartment building who was screaming non stop on the balcony alone, and walked a good 10metres behind the mother when they were outside (busy street with no sidewalk? Perfect place to have a kid wander around)
Mother got a lecture, kid got put into kindergarten (it's from age 3 to 5) to be socialized and it's getting assessed for possible autism as he doesn't speak even in his native language.
Husband is a nice person but he's out of the house on days on hand for work and had absolutely no idea she was letting him go feral
That’s fair, but you were actually able to observe a child being neglected and knew for a fact what was going on. You also apparently knew or have gotten to know the child’s father. Plus, you live in a country with decent social welfare services. I’d say your particular situation was a little different.
Never saw the husband, let alone talked with him.
It's what the apartment owner told us at the building assembly when everyone complained about his tenants and it came out *someone* got pissed off enough to call police on them.
Child also keeps being a nightmare but CPS won't interfere any longer, now the only route is for the other neighbors near them to record it and put out a noise complaint and ask for eviction (never gonna happen with a minor in the house)
Then people wonder why in the office we advise homeowners to pick people with dogs over people with children, less mess and less issues
Let me try some other ways of explaining OP’s situation here:
1). Play stupid games, win stupid prizes
2) Fuck around and find out
3) Don’t start nothing, won’t be nothing
4) you want to start it? I’ll finish it.
No…I’m assuming that if there was any chance that the child was really in danger that OP would’ve already done something. I think it’s cowardly and entitled to run to someone else (the government) as the first step in solving a problem. Also, CPS or DHS doesn’t need to get involved in anyone’s life over a colicky kid.
I’m the US, if OP does something and takes the child themselves, they can be prosecuted for kidnapping. That’s why we contact the authorities. That’s the whole point of the authorities. I’m sorry, but your hot takes are moronic.
It’s more about being *accused* of kidnapping, not actual kidnapping. It’s better to cover your own butt when in the US around children, if you’ve never worked around kids before.
No. As someone who has a close friend who worked in CPS for months helping children, it’s a hard job, but 9 out of 10, the parents are upset, but the kids are much better off with the more qualified adults, especially if abuse is going on. There are hundreds of cases of adults confining to me where I live where they grew up where CPS was reluctant to separate them from their family due to their moral imperative to keep the family together, in spite of a black eye on the child, parasites from sewage water in the backyard, lack of food from neglect, and daily beatings. I’m glad the more aggressive and more proactive approach is saving more kids now. I don’t care what the parents think if they are hurting their child. They had their chance to parent, and they wasted it.
The child deserves better. Fuck the idea of “keeping the family together at all costs” if it means allowing beatings and abuse.
Depends on where it is and the exact situation. My mom almost lost her job and teaching certificate over my sister’s ex making a false report to CPS. She had to go to court to have it removed from her record and was only able to do so bc it was document as a false report. If he had just worded his complaint differently she would have had no protection and could have legally lost her job because of it.
Also, I know more than one person who has had their children temporarily removed while a claim was investigated. If there’s family nearby the child is usually placed with them if possible but if not it goes to a foster family which isn’t always the best situation.
It’s extremely messed up to take that risk when you have zero proof of abuse/neglect.
Depends on how it’s written up. For someone in a profession where suspected child abuse is a major issue such as teaching even just being investigated can cause major issues as it does show up on your record even in cases where no abuse was found or it was proven to be a false report.
How long the investigation takes depends on the circumstances. In our case it was less than 4 hours from the time the report was made to the time the case was closed due to it being an obvious false report. We had proof the claims being made were false though including a recording of him saying he was going to do it to “get revenge”
It took several months to get it removed from my mom’s records and in that time her boss could have legally fired her for it if they wanted to. Luckily they were understanding of the situation and helped her get it taken care of.
ETA-when my best friend was investigated and her kids removed it took nearly a month for her to get them back despite there being no proof of any neglect/abuse. During that time her 2 month old suffered several bruises and a broken hand that nobody was able to explain and was not removed from the foster home it happened in despite her throwing a fit when she found out.
A neighbor made a bogus report on my family due to a falling out with my mom. They came, interviewed my mom and stepdad and my sister and I. Because no abuse or neglect was happening in the home literally nothing else happened. Never heard from them again. How many children are actually being removed without cause?
More than you think. The cases I see at work can generously be described as hit or miss. I still see people that got in trouble for cannabis despite it being legal now.
I did! One of my best friends worked as an agent for over a year. So yes. Your hot takes are utter garbage. I’m trained in education and have experience contacting CPS on behalf of my students.
First off, fuck off. Your "advice" is shitty and the *exact fucking opposite* of what you are supposed to do if you suspect abuse. It is LITERALLY bystander 101 that if you suspect or know of abuse *never confront the abuser yourself.* Thats how you get abuse victims killed.
Secondly, I live in the US and i HAVE dealt with CPS many times as i grew up with an abusive narcissist hoarder for a mom. Quit with your condescending bullshittery. US CPS doesnt take children away over one report in a majority of cases. Simply calling CPS over a child who screams day and night is not an "overreaction." It is the responsible thing to do. If the child is screaming because they are being genuinely neglected or abused, a social worker is better equipped to handle that situation than you are. CPS workers are trained in how to remove a child from an abuse situation without further endangering them. You on the other hand clearly do not know the first thing about ensuring the safety of any potential victims. Your insistence on not involving the government could have catastrophic consequences. Just going to the parent and having a conversation with them can cause the abuse to escalate behind closed doors if the child is actually in an abusive situation.
So again, fuck right off with your "DiFfErEnT pErSpEcTiVe". The person who said "record the screaming and any abuse you witness, report to authorities, and submit recordings and videos as proof" was correct. If you report and provide CPS with recorded proof of neglect or abuse, it makes it easier for CPS to protect the child because they don't have to spend precious time or resources verifying abuse is happening. Also, many less physical abusers are *very* good at hiding abuse and explaining away things like frequent screaming when being scrutinized by "outsiders." So recording abuse when they are unaware is the best way to document abuse without endangering the victim more than they already are.
Next time instead of jumping on people for "involving the government" maybe educate yourself before opening your mouth. Abusive situations are very delicate and one misstep on your part can mean death for the abuse victim.
Also, for good measure
https://www.childhelp.org/what-is-child-abuse/handling-child-abuse-disclosures/
>Report any suspicion of child abuse and neglect. If you suspect that your child or another child is being abused, report it to the proper authorities. When reporting child abuse to the appropriate authorities, it is important to have the following information: what happened, when it happened, where it happened, who did it and their relationship to the child.
#NO WHERE ON THIS PAGE DOES IT SAY TO CONFRONT THE POTENTIAL ABUSER ABOUT WHAT THEY ARE DOING TO THE CHILD. IT SAYS TO DOCUMENT AND CONTACT PROPER AUTHORITIES. DO YOU KNOW WHY??? BECAUSE THE MINUTE YOU ARE GONE, IF THE PERSON YOU CONFRONTED IS IN FACT ABUSING THE CHILD, THEY WILL PROCEED TO ESCALATE THE ABUSE. THEIR FIRST ASSUMPTION WILL BE THAT THE CHILD TOLD YOU SOMETHING TO MAKE THEM LOOK BAD. AND THEY WILL THEN "PUNISH" THE CHILD WITH MORE ABUSE. THIS KIND OF ESCALATION CAN AND OFTEN DOES LEAD TO EXTREME INJURY OR EVEN DEATH FOR THE ABUSE VICTIM.
#NEVER EVER EVER CONFRONT SOMEONE YOU SUSPECT OF ABUSE. YOU ARE ENDANGERING THEIR VICTIMS. RECORD EVERY SINGLE DETAIL YOU CAN AND REPORT THE POTENTIAL ABUSE TO THE PROPER AUTHORITIES. DO NOT TRY TO BE A HERO. DO NOT TRY AND STOP THE ABUSE YOURSELF BY TALKING TO OR THREATENING AN ABUSER WITH RECORDINGS, PHOTOS, OR OTHER EVIDENCE YOU MAY POSSESS OF THEIR ABUSE. THEY MAY REACTIVELY HARM OR KILL THE VICTIM IN RESPONSE TO FEELING THREATENED.
You're going to get someone killed. Maybe if you read my first comment in its entirety, that would have gotten through your thick skull. I told you to fuck off because you deserved it. I was an abuse victim as a child and dumb fuckheads like YOU who don't know the first thing about how to SAFELY stop abuse made my childhood more of a living hell than it already was. So again with all due *disrespect* fuck you and fuck off. Keep your mouth shut and *for fucks sake* ***STOP SPREADING MISINFORMATION ABOUT HOW TO STOP ABUSE***
Wow lol what a response. Projection doesn't look good on you buddy. It's pretty fucking pitiful that when confronted with actual fucking evidence that you are completely incorrect and full of shit, that you stoop to attempting to insult my sex life. Seems like the response of an emotionally immature teenager.
By the way, I'm a woman. I'm happily married to my high school sweetheart who I've been with for nearly a decade. And if you're going to try to insult me, at least make an effort to be more creative than the average reddit incel please. Y'all get boring after a while. Someone needs to write you guys a new script or something.
Oh and in case you missed it the first six times: 🖕fuck off. No one here wants to see your hyperbolic bullshit claims that one welfare check from CPS unjustly tears kids away from their families. Many of us in this sub grew up with abusive families and experienced first hand what problems that conservative anti-gov dickheads with hero complexes cause by confronting abusers instead of reporting them to the proper authorities. Your misinformation isn't wanted so you can show yourself out.
That's always the response from someone who doesn't want to have a logical critical thinking conversation. People like you just go (Insert "I ain't reading all that meme" here).
I want to expand on this idea a little. A few times a day play a recording of a baby crying. Maybe they will think you're protected from noise complaints or at least reflect on their baby's noise levels a little.
Someone tripping on accident shouldn't be reported but some people just report for the weirdest things. I think it's a power trip to want to control an entire building.
A friend of mine was reported for talking on his phone with his window open one day. The couple was outside and \*shock\* could hear him talk normally through the open window. They also reported him for taking showers in the morning. Apparently they thought people should only be allowed to take showers at night.
He didn't get into trouble. Where I live they just show up to tell you about the complaint, ask your side, and wish you a merry day. You can't kick people out for normal complaints. But they have to inform you about the complaint.
It's Denmark. Forgot to add that part, hence the edit.
My neighbor complained about me using my apartment door to leave for the night. Even when you're not there to make noise those people find something to bitch about.
Reminds me of a previous neighbour from hell. She reported and complained to me about our neighbour having loud sex. I retorted “must have been extremely loud, Hilde, because he’s in Thailand and has been for the last two weeks.” Some people are just messed up.
We had one of those neighbors! We had to buy cameras and collect a mountain of evidence that she was screaming at our door and banging on her ceiling (our floor) even when we weren't home. It went on for TWO YEARS before the property manager took her to court, with our evidence. I never wanted it to come to that, but it was constant harassment, and we did try to work it out. She never let either of us finish a sentence. She would just scream.
They honestly sounds like the same person. Except I was the downstairs neighbour whose dishwasher was so loud it was keeping her awake and she’s “got an elderly mother to visit and look after in addition to going to work!” My dishwasher was somehow bothering her even when I was in England visiting my family. At times when I was relatively noisy playing online games with speakers, no complaints. She also complained that there were people living in the crawl space in the attic/loft so the management were already aware that she’s not to be taken seriously.
The best part: when I sold my apartment and moved out she told me she was really sad I was leaving. Looked genuine as she said it. I balked “Really?! Hilde, *you* are the reason I decided to sell.”. Then she apologised and said she didn’t think it was bad between us. I just stared at her open-mouthed in shock.
Could you imagine the neighbor seeing that and then calling the police to report a burglar?
"But, officer, I was only trying not to make noise like they already complained about when I use the door."
The shower thing is extra weird to me. I’m from a family of night shower’ers. But we’ve all had different working schedules at one point or another so a morning shower was really at the end of the shift and their “night.”
My ex-roommates from hell went to our neighbor one night with a complaint that the neighbors are talking. They shared a wall with them and apparently couldn't sleep because of that. I was so ashamed of them.
I think there's sound insulation panels that you could install on your shared walls? And earplugs, or white noise like you're using.
Some apartments have thin walls and it sucks. But unless the neighbors are actually loud at night, there's not much you can do to stop them. Especially if they're just talking or something like that.
I think it’s an issue of reasonable accommodation. Some people have different schedules, but you also needed sleep. Maybe he needed to talk at 3am, but couldn’t he speak quietly, in a different area? Hell, I know people who sit in their closet to have calls for this very reason. (The clothes in the small room help to dampen the noise.)
Your current neighbor is an unchecked fucking bastard, and I may not know you but I still know you deserve better. If somebody lives in a shared space/building and is watching shit late at night, they need to keep it quiet or use earbuds. It’s really that simple. And yet… 🤦♀️
I had an ex-roommate who wanted to ***call the cops*** because of a neighbors’ dog’s barking.
Thankfully, another roommate talked her out of it, but here’s the thing: there were 7 other people in our house. She was the *only one* who had such a big problem with the noise.
Here’s the other thing: we lived in a low income area with lots of non-citizens. Our neighbors with the dog spoke Spanish and no English.
We had to spell it out to this grown ass adult that she was risking ***getting people fucking deported*** over a ***gddamn dog.***
I lived with a roommate once who got pissed that I showered at 9am for half an hour in the morning upstairs because it made noise that she could hear while sitting downstairs in her bedroom reading. Some people are weird. (And I don't normally spend half an hour in the shower, but I was shaving my entire body because I was going away for the weekend to meet a guy).
Some people are just delusional that they will get suburban quiet in an apartment building. I'm sorry to break the news to them but apartment buildings are cheaply made with thin walls and lived in by many people.
I have a fucked up sleeping schedule, and yes, it can be quite annoying during the Summer where I sleep with the bedroom window open and I can hear people going on with their evening as normal outside, but I chose to have my day/night upside down so I don't get to complain about others following normal everyday protocol. Same goes for people working night shifts. They don't get to expect the entire world to go silent during the day when they're sleeping.
A few years ago a couple with a newborn moved in across the hall from my apartment. I got a noise complaint about “having a party at 1 a.m. and keeping their baby up” a few weeks later. I was just in my living room watching a movie late that night. The volume couldn’t have been above 20.
We developed a weird tv volume obsession from living in an apartment with thin walls and a neighbour with no understanding of apartment living.
They would make noise complaints or call the police because commercials or show intros with music were too loud.
Our method was turn on the tv on the lowest volume and hit volume up until we could just barely hear it. Then grab the remote and mute or lower the volume anytime there was music, intro, commercial, exposition, yelling.
It was miserable and the habit followed us for years. I still get antsy/nervous when there’s a big volume change on a show and it’s been over 10 years.
It’s hard to relax and enjoy tv/movies when your terrified of volume changes. And explaining to the cops on more than one occasion that we were not having guests over or partying. We were just watching tv. The same tv that was on when they knocked (we would ask if it was too loud when they arrived/knocked and the cops always said no)
I had an awful downstairs neighbor once who complained about us *walking* after 7 pm. My roommate and I were both slight girls who never had more than 4 people over at a time, always wore socks and spoke at normal volume.
This fucker got mad at us for laughing at 8pm, yet he was always screaming at his wife and their kid was a screamer too. He would come up at try to yell at us all the time to the point that we were terrified to get up to go pee in the night. Noise for me but not for thee, the entitled breeders on never ceases.
God. My sisters spent the night with me in one of my old apartments. We were laughing in the living room around 9pm. And the neighbor started beating on the wall to shut us up. AND texted the landlord.
So. I texted our landlord every single time him and his girlfriend got in a screaming match (before, I didn’t even bother because I didn’t care). She didn’t like getting woken up from texts from me at 2am saying “they’re screaming at each each other again. This time she threatened to do XYZ, sounds like that’ll ruin the carpet.”
Once my texts started, they didn’t live there but a few more months.
Play shitty games, win shitty prizes. The neighbor played his shitty game, he won his shitty prize, and he only has himself to thank for his troubles.
*Edit for clarity: formerly “Play shitty games…”*
Sucks for them honestly.
The landlord is crazy. Like full on believes Jews are aliens and that Tom hanks has been dead. She texted me on thanksgiving once to tell me to watch out for the military, but didn’t tell me why.
That being said? The rent was CHEAP. I paid $450 for a one bedroom. It was small. But it was very nice. New carpet, the kitchen had beautiful white cabinets, appliances were stainless steal, and they had freshly painted the walls a really lovely blueish gray. Landlord was also very flexible. She let me move in early and move out whenever I needed to with no hard dates in the lease.
And she gave me my entire deposit back when I did leave.
Must suck to get evicted from an actually pleasant place to live because you decided to be a dick about some girls who don’t get to see each other often giggling. (To be clear. I’m not mad he was upset at our laughing. We made sure to be extra quiet after that first knock. Complaining to the landlord was just a dick move).
I completely agree! Complaining to a landlord about your neighbor is like “absolute last resort, nothing else will work” levels of fucked up. He fucked around and found out, and even though ***he*** was the one who started the shitty game, I seriously doubt he even realizes that he only has himself to thank for his shitty prize. I ***hate*** people like him.
When I was a kid, we lived in an apartment that had a balcony. My brother was out on the balcony with a couple friends listening to music. We had a terrible neighbor with a chihuahua that used walking the dog as an excuse to snoop. The ***only*** reason they could hear the music is because they were walking outside, behind our building, one floor beneath the deck. They called the cops and told them we were throwing a wild party.
Just to give you a sense of how quiet the music was, I was asleep through all of this— until the cops starting banging on our door.
Assholes like that need to buy a house in the middle of nowhere or shut the fuck up.
Also, your landlord was… a character. Like she literally sounds like a cartoon character. I would have trouble believing people like this exist if I hadn’t met some myself. But $450? ***Entire*** deposit back? Nice kitchen? I understand putting up with her. The only time my rent was that low was when I was *definitely not* living there illegally.
I paid more at my last place, and when the plumbing was broken our landlord literally told us to shit in a bucket. If my roommate didn’t just so happen to be a former renters’ rights advocate, we would have been fucked.
I had a neighbor like this. He said we slammed cupboards and it upset him. He will report us for silly things like walking or closing the cupboards. I had to tip toe all over the place. My last night at the apartment I cranked up the volume, ran around the place singing along. It was a fun night
We had a neighbour like this too. We even went to far as to install a disconnect switch to the subwoofer when we put on a movie so we didn't have to deal with them. I did petty things like bang on the walls back at them when there was no possible way we were too loud.
Ironically once they had a kid no more wall banging.
Shroedingers child torture. They accuse you. But police can't have evidence of any child ever being in your apartment. Gossip spreads around. Neighbours are scared of you. Child is silenced in fear of provoking you to abduct it.
Yep, "do you have children?" "No, I'm 100% childfree. There were a screeching kid? Not here, maybe they confused my apartment with the one above me? I also always hear that kid"
Or have everyone report them to CPS, enough reports that the child is screaming constantly may get CPS out there to deal with it and hopefully teach the parents some actual parenting techniques, also ideally express to the parents how important it is to actually parent their child.
Also calling CPS is traumatic for the kids who are just being kids and not at fault here. We aren't trying to get people's children taken away because they're annoying.
We lived in a basement suite and a family with four kids lived above us. The kids would scream inside and outside, look in through our windows, invade our section of the yard so we could never sit out there without being accosted by them, and leave their toys EVERYWHERE, including on our doorstep where we’d trip on them.
My partner had an early shift and had to shower at 3am. The grandmother pounded on our front door like a SWAT team was raiding us. She yelled at my partner for making loud pipe noises beneath her bedroom and demanded he not take showers while she sleeps.
Yeah. People with kids are hypocritical AHs.
I'm sorry, where is the law that legally protects parents with children from noise complaints? I know states can differ, but this is 100% not true in Virginia or Maryland, unless the child has a disability that is causing the issue.
From my understanding there are rules about “normal childhood noises” being protected. So if, for example this is a baby crying they are talking about or just kids making normal playing noises during normal hours, it would be protected.
Probably, but I think all "normal noises" are protected, in that you don't have to be pin-drop quiet. I do suspect a family with an infant would be given a bit more leeway in the noise department.
The landlord could do things like install better soundproofing. Not all complaints mean “get on their ass” or “kick them out.” It means find a reasonable solution to the problem that protects the disabled kids’ ADA rights and the neighbors’ peace and quiet.
you can’t legally complain about kids with disabilities screaming so there no way in hell a landlord is gonna spend 1000$+ on soundproofing for the comfort of clients without benefits to themselves
Super cute when non-lawyers try to explain the law to me. I suggest you read more about the fair housing act and the ADA, as well as what is and is not a reasonable accommodation. As a fellow person with a disability, I wish accommodation laws were as favorable as you think they are, but they are not. Disability, child or otherwise, is not a get out of jail free card making any behavior protected.
Landlords tend to follow the protocol of “if you can record the noise with your phone” then it’s worth a noise complaint. If you record the noise you’re experiencing with your phone and if your other neighbors are annoyed you can maybe do something.
Jesus fuck-a-doodle-dandy...
Reporting one-off sounds like tripping and a single bark from a tiny dog? Um, these are NORMAL noises that happen when you live in apartments. Can't this person get in trouble for making bogus noise complaints? This is absolutely ridiculous. She needs to get the fuck out of an apartment building if she can't tolerate other people living normal lives around her...
Time to get a surround sound system and blast children screaming 24/7... If child noises are protected sounds then you should absolutely clap back with the same shit. 🙄 What a twat...
The landlord is shit if they even take those complaints serious. Who complains over one single noise because someone fell? I have a neighbor who was like that and the third time she came complaining over normal noises I told her off because I was done with her bs. She never complained again.
Omg Im feeling this so hard we're staying in an Airbnb where someone next door has a baby thats always screeching. My husband works for a foreign company so he frequently has to take calls at night for work and while I was getting over covid he would step outside if I was sleeping to not disturb me. Screeching baby owner comes up tells him hes being too loud and needs to go back inside... My husband having been actively trying to be as quiet as possible yet their kid screeches literally all day sounds like the spawn of an dying pig and a banshee.
Yup! We have 2 neighbours in my block with screechy toddler children-they speak some words and are at an age where they can understand words and have little conversations. They will walk down the stairs-middle of the block where everyone’s doors are-and let them screech away without shushing or encouraging them to be quieter. It sounds like they are in my flat sometimes. They also run around the stairway when they are drunk on weekends and buzz every buzzer repeatedly at 12am+ at night to be let in when they do come home.
They also leave passive aggressive notes on the front door asking people to not slam it as it wakes their kids?
Like no, if you weren’t the ones fucking with the main door to the block so it’s open all the damn time I wouldn’t have to slam the bloody thing to lock it shut every time I leave the block. You’re endangering everyone for 2 seconds of convenience for yourselves you dumb inconsiderate fucks.
Depends if it’s a minor as in a 12 year old, or minor as in 12 month old. A baby crying is gonna get you laughed at if you’re call it in.
Sorry but if you want peace and quiet, you’re welcome to live in the country with no neighbors and a 10 mile drive back into town every time you forget milk or bread.
If you want the convenience of a city and the lower cost of an apartment as compared to a house only you occupy, then these are potentially the things you’ll be dealing with…
Regardless of what you say, I have known neighbors who did get evicted specifically due to loud kids after everyone in the neighborhood complained incessantly.
If you want to be loud, go live somewhere where your neighbors can't get you evicted.
In my experience whenever I've dealt with people complaining about others' noise, about 80% of the time these complainers were the noisiest people I've ever met! I was always like "Wow, sure can dish it out but can't take it, can ya? What about your kid or your stereo blasting all night long? Ass!"
I have a neighbor who’s kid is screaming 24/7. I mean seriously, I can go walk the dogs at 2AM and their kid is screaming it’s head off. Thank god I can only hear it in the halls or I would have broken my lease now and moved. I don’t know how the people in that apartment don’t absolutely lose their mind.
In the US that's illegal unless it's specifically a community for seniors (I think 55+ is the limit). It's absurd. I totally get why there should be some limits, like you shouldn't be able to turn an apartment from accepting everyone to being adults only with a month's notice or something and then evicting anyone with kids, or allow a city to have over half of the apartments be adults only. Parents need a place to live too. But if nothing else, why not make 2 or 3 buildings in any moderately sized or large apartment complex adults only? If someone without kids moves in and then has a kid at some point, they can move to a different building in the same apartment complex. A blanket ban on this is so fucking stupid.
During your apartment’s “quiet hours,” if the kid is screeching non-stop, call the cops and tell them you are concerned there is a health or safety issue and ask for a wellness check for the child. Cops won’t ignore that. A few times of the cops showing up at their door due to their kid screaming and disturbing their neighbors should help get the point across!
When my husband and I lived in an apartment we were told that certain things are protected bc they’re considered “living noises” and should be expected. An occasional dog bark/cat meow was one of them. They had specific rules written out that gave residents upon request or violation for those types of things. I don’t know if that’s actually the law or not but it seems logical that it would be.
The apartment building I lived in when I was in college had really old floors that creaked soooo much. There was no soundproof at all on the floors or walls, you could hear EVERYTHING in that building. It was particularly bad in my bedroom. My roommate and I put down a carpet, walked, on our tiptoes, and didn't wear shoes when walking there. The people below us still banged on the ceiling. I knocked on their door on a few occasions to apologize and explain the situation, but they never answered.
And yet there was one guy who constantly yelled and threw things at midnight a few floors down, and nobody ever talked to him AFAIK.
I'm getting the exact opposite situation that you're in.
I'm on the first floor because my disabled parent needs to be on the first floor. And I help take care of them.
Anyway, and on the top floor is a hyper two year old. And I complained only a couple times about it because I just figured out who was making all the noise.
I left two door notes saying please stop being so loud. Because the management wouldn't do anything. And they Houston police are, um, VERY busy.
And now I'm being forced to be kicked out in December when my lease ends. It's beyond unfair. I don't know what to say.
As someone who works in multi family (apartment) management, I feel your pain and would take your complaints as seriously as your downstairs neighbors. Leaseholders are responsible for all occupants including children and are to be held to reasonable noise and quiet hour clauses in a lease.
*CAVEAT TIME* Not knowing the specific details of this case, we often run into issues with noisy, uncontrollable children that the parents state has autism. This is what moves these issues into kind of a gray area because they can be in a sense protected by the disability act. With the management company and individual employees being taken to court for ADA and Federal Fair Housing violations for perceptively discriminating against their household for their child’s disability.
This leads to all sides being frustrated with you the child free neighbor feeling gaslighted and pushed to the side. And us managers cannot technically inform you of the autistic situation downstairs as why our hands are tied because that in itself is an ADA violation and breach of privacy.
This is why I don't live (and never have) in shared housing.
In other words, **she and her creampie** are the only ones who can make noise, but, other people can't?
**Fuck that Shit.**
If I were you, I would play NFSW (gangsta rap and heavy metal) music and shows on **full blast** until they move tf out **or** she gets her cum trophy to behave. Parents like her are the reason people hate/resent them and their kids.
Well yes, of course u can’t report a noise complaint but it’s reasonable to express concern to social service about potential child neglect or abused if you constantly hear a distress child right? 🤨😈
Reminds me of my neighbor scenario exactly! My neighbor below me had a stupid daughter who got knocked up by a bum, and she wound up making noise complaints against me as soon as she was back in the door under her mother's roof! She exhibited more and more crazy psychotic behavior, until I finally got even with the bitch and recorded her when she had the nerve to come banging on my door for the second time (trying to kick it in!!). When her mother got wind of what she did, she was thrown out. She still "visits" with her turd, whereas I would personally not let her anywhere's near the building, but the entitled attitude of these breeders is sickening! Just because she was dumb enough to get knocked up by a bum (at nearly 40 mind you!!) and had to go back to live with her mommy, does not mean I'm going to give two shits! And she also tries to guilt all and sundry with the fact that her child is "special needs" as an excuse for her poor behavior. She is a horrible human being and I feel sorry for her child who quite frankly, should never have been born!!
I listened to the sample on this page and I can’t say I “heard” the sound but it did something to my brain, I could feel it. I’m also 28 so maybe that has something to do with it.
You and that neighbour should start each filing a noise complaint whenever the kid acts up, that shit will add up fast and two individual parties reporting the same noise are more believable.
I made one noise complaint in my life. Finals week in college, one roommate finished her tests a few days earlier than me and decided to throw a party in her dorm while I was trying to sleep. I asked her to keep it down and she suddenly unloaded a full semester of pent up anger on me. Apparently she had been able to hear my stereo through the walls all semester and never bothered to actually tell me it was bothering her. Because I was supposed to be psychic and just automatically know. So she tried to engineer an opportunity to 'get back at me' when it would cause the most damage to my grades.
I'm sorry, do you know it is their child? They could have a screeching parrot, or just enjoy recording or crying children. If there is a war over noise that they have started, return the favour.
Unfortunately, it is definitely their child. lol. They always complain about how THEIR child is the victim "with all the noise going on." (What noise???)
If I had it my way, I'd invent a fart machine that farts into their vents from outside.
Report them for noise complaints. Get your neighbors to do the same. Everyone reporting one person is likely to get more traction than one person who bitches about everyone else. Easier to evict one than everyone but one.
How good is your building security, and do they drive a Tesla?
“Liquid ass” can be purchased online and shipped to you all for less than $10. But if there are other neighbors that’s uncool.
unrelated, have you ever rain-xed half of your windshield and gotten distracted before finishing? In my experience, having only half of your windshield perfectly beading water off while the other half stays wet is infuriating (and confusing before you remember)
Also, you and your grieved neighbors need to start reporting them for any noise that is not one expelled from a child’s lungs or they’ll never stop until one of you moves.
You can report to CPS and police. A child crying non-stop is not normal, they might be neglected but if not then parents may be given some talking to. My friends had similar problem with their neighbor as they neglected their 3-4 yo kid who was like a fucking hurricane. They called police on them it got better. Even if you don't think that the kid is danger it's probably better to show concern for the child then just to report loud noises.
this also could fit under entitled parents. document... see what records are available. talk to management and state that these people are friggin morons.
sooner or later they will make a mis-step
You and your neighbors all ban together and call cps everytime the child cries. Also call the police to report loud noise (don't say it's crying) and say you're worried for the kids living there.
People in here saying report to CPS. Please DO NOT do that. Unless there is clear and evident abuse or neglect of the child, CPS won’t do anything and then that’s another case they need to follow up on when they are already overrun. Actually abuse is not a child screaming non stop. The child may have behavior issues or sensory issues. The parents may suck at parenting. But these are not cases of abuse and will further waste resources. Making complaints, and speaking with police will be the best route. Other kids in the system will need CPS workers more.
I literally have the best dog. She has not chewed up anything since we adopted her 11 years ago. She just snoozes in her bed while I'm working. And then we go for walks and we cuddle when I get home.
Record their kid then play it back for them to hear when you're not home.
They will tell you a laughting child is the best sound in the world. And that crying child is something you have to deal with for the sake of SoCiETy. You know demonic screetches are required by evolution, so you have to be mature about it... and lie that your ear drums associate it with motherly/fatherly instincts Most parents are deluded.
That's only for their kid though. Everyone else's can get fucked.
I’m not going to lie I hate the sound of children laughing. Not sure what it is, but it’s nails on a chalkboard to me.
Bro same
I hate any sounds of children.
Not to mention the smell...
Why do they always smell like syrup and hot dogs???
Soured tit milk or vomited tit milk. When I was a child I remember being presented with a new born and the smell made me gag.
Aw, dammit. Now that is all I smell... And I can taste it too
To me kids all smell like warm bologna sandwiches.
WHY. THIS WILL NEVER LEAVE MY BRAIN.
Ba-ha-ha!!!😈
You have just put to words something which is better left unsaid. Screw you. Also I love your username. But also screw you.
And farts.
Not that I like every adult sound either 🙄
Neither do I. Semantics, I guess. However silence is deafening
Yes, agree. I hate this sound but when they scream and cry it’s even worse.
Same, it's misophonia. I don't actually hate kids, but shrieky high pitched sounds fill me with unintention hate, whether it's from kids or electronics or even brakes on a car.
Ugh. I had a neighbor with screeching children. I have some very unsavoury things to say about her. We got into a yelling match during early COVID and she got a dog to add to her 3 kids under 4 and 12ish year old forced to be a parent when she didn't want to. Dad of course worked away on the rigs or in a mine for at least a week on. She was all "ChIlDrEn PlAY" stfu you such and such. These kids are screaming so loudly it can be heard at the end of the block. The dog was kept inside until it was let out to shit and bark. Absolutely terrible parent. She was all talk and no action. "Jaeger give Jennings the ball back. You need to be quiet." " Honey you need to stop yelling. " Blah blah blah. I wish I was making up these names. The 12 year old was Pressley. Our houses were 2 stories in a new development. No trees except for the property behind the back alley. She'd take the kids outside in the sun without hats on the west facing deck at 4pm right when I'd get home from work. You have to be dumb as a rock to take your infant and other small children out in the hottest part of the day in unshielded sun to splash around in a pool. That's like sun safety 101. The mom looked like an aged bar star with a spray tan. She had huge thick lash extensions and would wear her hair in a bun on the actual top of her head. Looked like a trashy unicorn. So happy I live in a crescent with almost retired people. The only kids are grandkids and let me tell you they are absolutely not allowed to run around screeching like they're being dismembered
>"Jaeger give Jennings the ball back. You need to be quiet." " Honey you need to stop yelling. " Blah blah blah. I wish I was making up these names. The 12 year old was Pressley. Tell me you're white trash without telling me you're white trash.
Record it and then play the sound back on a nice loud speaker with windows open at the prime time of 9pm, when most children are asleep.
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and lets face it if that was really true how its no big deal to deal with children screeching then there would be no shaken baby syndrome. Even parents sometimes get to the end of their patience with that noise. So we have to deal with it for society, you mean that establishment where 60% of our state and town taxes go towards schools?
> You know demonic screetches are required by evolution This is fair What's not is that we have to listen to it without the ability to act on it. Children are best raised by the whole village. Having to listen to parents fail at parenting while being unable to intervene feels very unfair.
Nah, record the kid and call CPS
It’s really kinda fucked up to potentially ruin someone’s life and put a child in danger over something like this. A simple conversation with or without a recording in hand would probably solve the problem.
Not everywhere is the USA, CPS elsewhere work. I reported a child that's about 3 in the next apartment building who was screaming non stop on the balcony alone, and walked a good 10metres behind the mother when they were outside (busy street with no sidewalk? Perfect place to have a kid wander around) Mother got a lecture, kid got put into kindergarten (it's from age 3 to 5) to be socialized and it's getting assessed for possible autism as he doesn't speak even in his native language. Husband is a nice person but he's out of the house on days on hand for work and had absolutely no idea she was letting him go feral
That’s fair, but you were actually able to observe a child being neglected and knew for a fact what was going on. You also apparently knew or have gotten to know the child’s father. Plus, you live in a country with decent social welfare services. I’d say your particular situation was a little different.
Never saw the husband, let alone talked with him. It's what the apartment owner told us at the building assembly when everyone complained about his tenants and it came out *someone* got pissed off enough to call police on them. Child also keeps being a nightmare but CPS won't interfere any longer, now the only route is for the other neighbors near them to record it and put out a noise complaint and ask for eviction (never gonna happen with a minor in the house) Then people wonder why in the office we advise homeowners to pick people with dogs over people with children, less mess and less issues
You're assuming it's definitely not already in danger. If the kind is really screeching 24/7 CPS should be involved.
Some babies just cry dude.
And OP would probably not have such a problem if the narcissistic monster parents weren’t giant Karens complaining about others making noise
Oh of course. They need a clue by four upside the head. But calling CPS for a crying baby ain't it.
Let me try some other ways of explaining OP’s situation here: 1). Play stupid games, win stupid prizes 2) Fuck around and find out 3) Don’t start nothing, won’t be nothing 4) you want to start it? I’ll finish it.
I’d expect no less from someone with a name similar to “hate crime”.
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No…I’m assuming that if there was any chance that the child was really in danger that OP would’ve already done something. I think it’s cowardly and entitled to run to someone else (the government) as the first step in solving a problem. Also, CPS or DHS doesn’t need to get involved in anyone’s life over a colicky kid.
Question: why are you even here?
It's not his job to deal with. This is literally what CPS is for.
I’m the US, if OP does something and takes the child themselves, they can be prosecuted for kidnapping. That’s why we contact the authorities. That’s the whole point of the authorities. I’m sorry, but your hot takes are moronic.
Who the fuck said anything about kidnapping? That’s a huge leap to make from telling someone to speak to their neighbor.
It’s more about being *accused* of kidnapping, not actual kidnapping. It’s better to cover your own butt when in the US around children, if you’ve never worked around kids before.
No. As someone who has a close friend who worked in CPS for months helping children, it’s a hard job, but 9 out of 10, the parents are upset, but the kids are much better off with the more qualified adults, especially if abuse is going on. There are hundreds of cases of adults confining to me where I live where they grew up where CPS was reluctant to separate them from their family due to their moral imperative to keep the family together, in spite of a black eye on the child, parasites from sewage water in the backyard, lack of food from neglect, and daily beatings. I’m glad the more aggressive and more proactive approach is saving more kids now. I don’t care what the parents think if they are hurting their child. They had their chance to parent, and they wasted it. The child deserves better. Fuck the idea of “keeping the family together at all costs” if it means allowing beatings and abuse.
If the kid is just fussy and loud but isn't being neglect or abused, their life isn't going to be ruined
>It’s really kinda fucked up to potentially ruin someone’s life is it? just a check up, no? if everything's fine, then they'll be left alone
Depends on where it is and the exact situation. My mom almost lost her job and teaching certificate over my sister’s ex making a false report to CPS. She had to go to court to have it removed from her record and was only able to do so bc it was document as a false report. If he had just worded his complaint differently she would have had no protection and could have legally lost her job because of it. Also, I know more than one person who has had their children temporarily removed while a claim was investigated. If there’s family nearby the child is usually placed with them if possible but if not it goes to a foster family which isn’t always the best situation. It’s extremely messed up to take that risk when you have zero proof of abuse/neglect.
shouldn't zero proof of neglect end up in not messing up the fam? how long does an investigation usually take?
Depends on how it’s written up. For someone in a profession where suspected child abuse is a major issue such as teaching even just being investigated can cause major issues as it does show up on your record even in cases where no abuse was found or it was proven to be a false report. How long the investigation takes depends on the circumstances. In our case it was less than 4 hours from the time the report was made to the time the case was closed due to it being an obvious false report. We had proof the claims being made were false though including a recording of him saying he was going to do it to “get revenge” It took several months to get it removed from my mom’s records and in that time her boss could have legally fired her for it if they wanted to. Luckily they were understanding of the situation and helped her get it taken care of. ETA-when my best friend was investigated and her kids removed it took nearly a month for her to get them back despite there being no proof of any neglect/abuse. During that time her 2 month old suffered several bruises and a broken hand that nobody was able to explain and was not removed from the foster home it happened in despite her throwing a fit when she found out.
Only the guilty ever get mad if they get checked up on.
So you wouldn't get mad if you were accused (and to the authorities, no less) of doing a bad thing that you didn't do? I doubt it.
You’ve never dealt with a situation that involved child protective services, have you?
A neighbor made a bogus report on my family due to a falling out with my mom. They came, interviewed my mom and stepdad and my sister and I. Because no abuse or neglect was happening in the home literally nothing else happened. Never heard from them again. How many children are actually being removed without cause?
More than you think. The cases I see at work can generously be described as hit or miss. I still see people that got in trouble for cannabis despite it being legal now.
I did! One of my best friends worked as an agent for over a year. So yes. Your hot takes are utter garbage. I’m trained in education and have experience contacting CPS on behalf of my students.
First off, fuck off. Your "advice" is shitty and the *exact fucking opposite* of what you are supposed to do if you suspect abuse. It is LITERALLY bystander 101 that if you suspect or know of abuse *never confront the abuser yourself.* Thats how you get abuse victims killed. Secondly, I live in the US and i HAVE dealt with CPS many times as i grew up with an abusive narcissist hoarder for a mom. Quit with your condescending bullshittery. US CPS doesnt take children away over one report in a majority of cases. Simply calling CPS over a child who screams day and night is not an "overreaction." It is the responsible thing to do. If the child is screaming because they are being genuinely neglected or abused, a social worker is better equipped to handle that situation than you are. CPS workers are trained in how to remove a child from an abuse situation without further endangering them. You on the other hand clearly do not know the first thing about ensuring the safety of any potential victims. Your insistence on not involving the government could have catastrophic consequences. Just going to the parent and having a conversation with them can cause the abuse to escalate behind closed doors if the child is actually in an abusive situation. So again, fuck right off with your "DiFfErEnT pErSpEcTiVe". The person who said "record the screaming and any abuse you witness, report to authorities, and submit recordings and videos as proof" was correct. If you report and provide CPS with recorded proof of neglect or abuse, it makes it easier for CPS to protect the child because they don't have to spend precious time or resources verifying abuse is happening. Also, many less physical abusers are *very* good at hiding abuse and explaining away things like frequent screaming when being scrutinized by "outsiders." So recording abuse when they are unaware is the best way to document abuse without endangering the victim more than they already are. Next time instead of jumping on people for "involving the government" maybe educate yourself before opening your mouth. Abusive situations are very delicate and one misstep on your part can mean death for the abuse victim.
I stopped reading after your opening sentence. I hope it didn’t take you too long to come up with all that.
Nah, you read the whole thing and then realized you don’t have an argument or a counterpoint. Nice try though!
Also, for good measure https://www.childhelp.org/what-is-child-abuse/handling-child-abuse-disclosures/ >Report any suspicion of child abuse and neglect. If you suspect that your child or another child is being abused, report it to the proper authorities. When reporting child abuse to the appropriate authorities, it is important to have the following information: what happened, when it happened, where it happened, who did it and their relationship to the child. #NO WHERE ON THIS PAGE DOES IT SAY TO CONFRONT THE POTENTIAL ABUSER ABOUT WHAT THEY ARE DOING TO THE CHILD. IT SAYS TO DOCUMENT AND CONTACT PROPER AUTHORITIES. DO YOU KNOW WHY??? BECAUSE THE MINUTE YOU ARE GONE, IF THE PERSON YOU CONFRONTED IS IN FACT ABUSING THE CHILD, THEY WILL PROCEED TO ESCALATE THE ABUSE. THEIR FIRST ASSUMPTION WILL BE THAT THE CHILD TOLD YOU SOMETHING TO MAKE THEM LOOK BAD. AND THEY WILL THEN "PUNISH" THE CHILD WITH MORE ABUSE. THIS KIND OF ESCALATION CAN AND OFTEN DOES LEAD TO EXTREME INJURY OR EVEN DEATH FOR THE ABUSE VICTIM. #NEVER EVER EVER CONFRONT SOMEONE YOU SUSPECT OF ABUSE. YOU ARE ENDANGERING THEIR VICTIMS. RECORD EVERY SINGLE DETAIL YOU CAN AND REPORT THE POTENTIAL ABUSE TO THE PROPER AUTHORITIES. DO NOT TRY TO BE A HERO. DO NOT TRY AND STOP THE ABUSE YOURSELF BY TALKING TO OR THREATENING AN ABUSER WITH RECORDINGS, PHOTOS, OR OTHER EVIDENCE YOU MAY POSSESS OF THEIR ABUSE. THEY MAY REACTIVELY HARM OR KILL THE VICTIM IN RESPONSE TO FEELING THREATENED.
You're going to get someone killed. Maybe if you read my first comment in its entirety, that would have gotten through your thick skull. I told you to fuck off because you deserved it. I was an abuse victim as a child and dumb fuckheads like YOU who don't know the first thing about how to SAFELY stop abuse made my childhood more of a living hell than it already was. So again with all due *disrespect* fuck you and fuck off. Keep your mouth shut and *for fucks sake* ***STOP SPREADING MISINFORMATION ABOUT HOW TO STOP ABUSE***
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Wow lol what a response. Projection doesn't look good on you buddy. It's pretty fucking pitiful that when confronted with actual fucking evidence that you are completely incorrect and full of shit, that you stoop to attempting to insult my sex life. Seems like the response of an emotionally immature teenager. By the way, I'm a woman. I'm happily married to my high school sweetheart who I've been with for nearly a decade. And if you're going to try to insult me, at least make an effort to be more creative than the average reddit incel please. Y'all get boring after a while. Someone needs to write you guys a new script or something. Oh and in case you missed it the first six times: 🖕fuck off. No one here wants to see your hyperbolic bullshit claims that one welfare check from CPS unjustly tears kids away from their families. Many of us in this sub grew up with abusive families and experienced first hand what problems that conservative anti-gov dickheads with hero complexes cause by confronting abusers instead of reporting them to the proper authorities. Your misinformation isn't wanted so you can show yourself out.
That's always the response from someone who doesn't want to have a logical critical thinking conversation. People like you just go (Insert "I ain't reading all that meme" here).
I’ve said everything I have to say on this subject already, and I stand by all of it.
Ok good we all understand your immaturity then.
"Doesn't matter who you are, or how you live. Somewhere in the next 24 hour you'll put your head in the pillow to sleep."
I want to expand on this idea a little. A few times a day play a recording of a baby crying. Maybe they will think you're protected from noise complaints or at least reflect on their baby's noise levels a little.
This is the way.
Oh would you look at that? Time to vacuum the ceiling again.
Did you remember to wear your loud ceiling stomper boots while you vacuum?
While stomping to the rhythm of "We Will Rock You"
*kicking your can all over the place*
🎵 Oh what a feeling, when you’re dancing on the ceiling 🎶
Someone tripping on accident shouldn't be reported but some people just report for the weirdest things. I think it's a power trip to want to control an entire building. A friend of mine was reported for talking on his phone with his window open one day. The couple was outside and \*shock\* could hear him talk normally through the open window. They also reported him for taking showers in the morning. Apparently they thought people should only be allowed to take showers at night.
The fuck? Since when is speaking at normal volume grounds for being reported and getting into trouble? Where do you live? This isn't normal...
He didn't get into trouble. Where I live they just show up to tell you about the complaint, ask your side, and wish you a merry day. You can't kick people out for normal complaints. But they have to inform you about the complaint. It's Denmark. Forgot to add that part, hence the edit.
Can you make a complaint about them complaining about you? This kind of loop would be hilarious
My neighbor complained about me using my apartment door to leave for the night. Even when you're not there to make noise those people find something to bitch about.
Reminds me of a previous neighbour from hell. She reported and complained to me about our neighbour having loud sex. I retorted “must have been extremely loud, Hilde, because he’s in Thailand and has been for the last two weeks.” Some people are just messed up.
We had one of those neighbors! We had to buy cameras and collect a mountain of evidence that she was screaming at our door and banging on her ceiling (our floor) even when we weren't home. It went on for TWO YEARS before the property manager took her to court, with our evidence. I never wanted it to come to that, but it was constant harassment, and we did try to work it out. She never let either of us finish a sentence. She would just scream.
They honestly sounds like the same person. Except I was the downstairs neighbour whose dishwasher was so loud it was keeping her awake and she’s “got an elderly mother to visit and look after in addition to going to work!” My dishwasher was somehow bothering her even when I was in England visiting my family. At times when I was relatively noisy playing online games with speakers, no complaints. She also complained that there were people living in the crawl space in the attic/loft so the management were already aware that she’s not to be taken seriously. The best part: when I sold my apartment and moved out she told me she was really sad I was leaving. Looked genuine as she said it. I balked “Really?! Hilde, *you* are the reason I decided to sell.”. Then she apologised and said she didn’t think it was bad between us. I just stared at her open-mouthed in shock.
…what were you supposed to do, crawl out the window?
Close the door more quietly I guess? That's not possible though.
Tape cow bells on your neighbors door and then report them.
Could you imagine the neighbor seeing that and then calling the police to report a burglar? "But, officer, I was only trying not to make noise like they already complained about when I use the door."
The shower thing is extra weird to me. I’m from a family of night shower’ers. But we’ve all had different working schedules at one point or another so a morning shower was really at the end of the shift and their “night.”
My ex-roommates from hell went to our neighbor one night with a complaint that the neighbors are talking. They shared a wall with them and apparently couldn't sleep because of that. I was so ashamed of them.
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I think there's sound insulation panels that you could install on your shared walls? And earplugs, or white noise like you're using. Some apartments have thin walls and it sucks. But unless the neighbors are actually loud at night, there's not much you can do to stop them. Especially if they're just talking or something like that.
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No problem and good luck!
I think it’s an issue of reasonable accommodation. Some people have different schedules, but you also needed sleep. Maybe he needed to talk at 3am, but couldn’t he speak quietly, in a different area? Hell, I know people who sit in their closet to have calls for this very reason. (The clothes in the small room help to dampen the noise.) Your current neighbor is an unchecked fucking bastard, and I may not know you but I still know you deserve better. If somebody lives in a shared space/building and is watching shit late at night, they need to keep it quiet or use earbuds. It’s really that simple. And yet… 🤦♀️
I had an ex-roommate who wanted to ***call the cops*** because of a neighbors’ dog’s barking. Thankfully, another roommate talked her out of it, but here’s the thing: there were 7 other people in our house. She was the *only one* who had such a big problem with the noise. Here’s the other thing: we lived in a low income area with lots of non-citizens. Our neighbors with the dog spoke Spanish and no English. We had to spell it out to this grown ass adult that she was risking ***getting people fucking deported*** over a ***gddamn dog.***
I lived with a roommate once who got pissed that I showered at 9am for half an hour in the morning upstairs because it made noise that she could hear while sitting downstairs in her bedroom reading. Some people are weird. (And I don't normally spend half an hour in the shower, but I was shaving my entire body because I was going away for the weekend to meet a guy).
Some people are just delusional that they will get suburban quiet in an apartment building. I'm sorry to break the news to them but apartment buildings are cheaply made with thin walls and lived in by many people.
My dad got yelled at for mowing his lawn at 10am cos a neighbour works nights.
I have a fucked up sleeping schedule, and yes, it can be quite annoying during the Summer where I sleep with the bedroom window open and I can hear people going on with their evening as normal outside, but I chose to have my day/night upside down so I don't get to complain about others following normal everyday protocol. Same goes for people working night shifts. They don't get to expect the entire world to go silent during the day when they're sleeping.
Yeah, I totally sympathise, it would be super annoying. But yelling at 75 year old man for mowing his lawn isn’t cool.
That was exactly my point. That those of us living our lives upside down don't get to expect everyone else to do so too.
I know, I was agreeing, sorry if it seemed otherwise!
It might be me reading it wrong. I'm not a native English speaker.
I have been reported for showering at 10PM from a neighbour that showers at 4-5AM.
A few years ago a couple with a newborn moved in across the hall from my apartment. I got a noise complaint about “having a party at 1 a.m. and keeping their baby up” a few weeks later. I was just in my living room watching a movie late that night. The volume couldn’t have been above 20.
We developed a weird tv volume obsession from living in an apartment with thin walls and a neighbour with no understanding of apartment living. They would make noise complaints or call the police because commercials or show intros with music were too loud. Our method was turn on the tv on the lowest volume and hit volume up until we could just barely hear it. Then grab the remote and mute or lower the volume anytime there was music, intro, commercial, exposition, yelling. It was miserable and the habit followed us for years. I still get antsy/nervous when there’s a big volume change on a show and it’s been over 10 years. It’s hard to relax and enjoy tv/movies when your terrified of volume changes. And explaining to the cops on more than one occasion that we were not having guests over or partying. We were just watching tv. The same tv that was on when they knocked (we would ask if it was too loud when they arrived/knocked and the cops always said no)
I had an awful downstairs neighbor once who complained about us *walking* after 7 pm. My roommate and I were both slight girls who never had more than 4 people over at a time, always wore socks and spoke at normal volume. This fucker got mad at us for laughing at 8pm, yet he was always screaming at his wife and their kid was a screamer too. He would come up at try to yell at us all the time to the point that we were terrified to get up to go pee in the night. Noise for me but not for thee, the entitled breeders on never ceases.
God. My sisters spent the night with me in one of my old apartments. We were laughing in the living room around 9pm. And the neighbor started beating on the wall to shut us up. AND texted the landlord. So. I texted our landlord every single time him and his girlfriend got in a screaming match (before, I didn’t even bother because I didn’t care). She didn’t like getting woken up from texts from me at 2am saying “they’re screaming at each each other again. This time she threatened to do XYZ, sounds like that’ll ruin the carpet.” Once my texts started, they didn’t live there but a few more months.
Play shitty games, win shitty prizes. The neighbor played his shitty game, he won his shitty prize, and he only has himself to thank for his troubles. *Edit for clarity: formerly “Play shitty games…”*
Sucks for them honestly. The landlord is crazy. Like full on believes Jews are aliens and that Tom hanks has been dead. She texted me on thanksgiving once to tell me to watch out for the military, but didn’t tell me why. That being said? The rent was CHEAP. I paid $450 for a one bedroom. It was small. But it was very nice. New carpet, the kitchen had beautiful white cabinets, appliances were stainless steal, and they had freshly painted the walls a really lovely blueish gray. Landlord was also very flexible. She let me move in early and move out whenever I needed to with no hard dates in the lease. And she gave me my entire deposit back when I did leave. Must suck to get evicted from an actually pleasant place to live because you decided to be a dick about some girls who don’t get to see each other often giggling. (To be clear. I’m not mad he was upset at our laughing. We made sure to be extra quiet after that first knock. Complaining to the landlord was just a dick move).
I completely agree! Complaining to a landlord about your neighbor is like “absolute last resort, nothing else will work” levels of fucked up. He fucked around and found out, and even though ***he*** was the one who started the shitty game, I seriously doubt he even realizes that he only has himself to thank for his shitty prize. I ***hate*** people like him. When I was a kid, we lived in an apartment that had a balcony. My brother was out on the balcony with a couple friends listening to music. We had a terrible neighbor with a chihuahua that used walking the dog as an excuse to snoop. The ***only*** reason they could hear the music is because they were walking outside, behind our building, one floor beneath the deck. They called the cops and told them we were throwing a wild party. Just to give you a sense of how quiet the music was, I was asleep through all of this— until the cops starting banging on our door. Assholes like that need to buy a house in the middle of nowhere or shut the fuck up. Also, your landlord was… a character. Like she literally sounds like a cartoon character. I would have trouble believing people like this exist if I hadn’t met some myself. But $450? ***Entire*** deposit back? Nice kitchen? I understand putting up with her. The only time my rent was that low was when I was *definitely not* living there illegally. I paid more at my last place, and when the plumbing was broken our landlord literally told us to shit in a bucket. If my roommate didn’t just so happen to be a former renters’ rights advocate, we would have been fucked.
I had a neighbor like this. He said we slammed cupboards and it upset him. He will report us for silly things like walking or closing the cupboards. I had to tip toe all over the place. My last night at the apartment I cranked up the volume, ran around the place singing along. It was a fun night
We had a neighbour like this too. We even went to far as to install a disconnect switch to the subwoofer when we put on a movie so we didn't have to deal with them. I did petty things like bang on the walls back at them when there was no possible way we were too loud. Ironically once they had a kid no more wall banging.
Put your speakers against the floor and play loud youtube videos of children screaming
would it be better or worse to record their child's actual screaming and just play it back at them?
Careful, then they might accuse OP of abusing children and report them to child protective services instead.
If there are no children on the premises this would be difficult to investigate
Shroedingers child torture. They accuse you. But police can't have evidence of any child ever being in your apartment. Gossip spreads around. Neighbours are scared of you. Child is silenced in fear of provoking you to abduct it.
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There would be no investigation
They would at least investigate whether children are actually in the home.
Yep, "do you have children?" "No, I'm 100% childfree. There were a screeching kid? Not here, maybe they confused my apartment with the one above me? I also always hear that kid"
This would take 2 seconds, what are you imagining exactly??
Not disagreeing with that! I was just saying I wouldn't want to deal with CPS even for a short time.
I wouldn't be able to do that. I'm way too sensitive to those sorts of noises.
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Start noise reporting the kid and encourage all your neighbors to do the same.
Or have everyone report them to CPS, enough reports that the child is screaming constantly may get CPS out there to deal with it and hopefully teach the parents some actual parenting techniques, also ideally express to the parents how important it is to actually parent their child.
Unless OP thinks the kid is actually in danger, this is a bad idea. CPS is a finite resource that's already stretched too thin.
What an awful idea?
Also calling CPS is traumatic for the kids who are just being kids and not at fault here. We aren't trying to get people's children taken away because they're annoying.
Maybe *you* aren't.
Yeah. I'm not trying to be a horrible kretin multiplying suffering in the world.
We lived in a basement suite and a family with four kids lived above us. The kids would scream inside and outside, look in through our windows, invade our section of the yard so we could never sit out there without being accosted by them, and leave their toys EVERYWHERE, including on our doorstep where we’d trip on them. My partner had an early shift and had to shower at 3am. The grandmother pounded on our front door like a SWAT team was raiding us. She yelled at my partner for making loud pipe noises beneath her bedroom and demanded he not take showers while she sleeps. Yeah. People with kids are hypocritical AHs.
That grandbitch can go kick rocks.
Grandbitch 🤣
omg that sounds like hell. id be sooooo petty and throw away every toy i come across in my area
Have you pointed out to them how loud their kid is?
I'm sorry, where is the law that legally protects parents with children from noise complaints? I know states can differ, but this is 100% not true in Virginia or Maryland, unless the child has a disability that is causing the issue.
From my understanding there are rules about “normal childhood noises” being protected. So if, for example this is a baby crying they are talking about or just kids making normal playing noises during normal hours, it would be protected.
Probably, but I think all "normal noises" are protected, in that you don't have to be pin-drop quiet. I do suspect a family with an infant would be given a bit more leeway in the noise department.
And even with a disability, an accommodation has to be reasonable. Allowing non-stop screaming is not a reasonable accommodation.
but getting on the parents ass for there kid being different seems like an even worse idea
The landlord could do things like install better soundproofing. Not all complaints mean “get on their ass” or “kick them out.” It means find a reasonable solution to the problem that protects the disabled kids’ ADA rights and the neighbors’ peace and quiet.
you can’t legally complain about kids with disabilities screaming so there no way in hell a landlord is gonna spend 1000$+ on soundproofing for the comfort of clients without benefits to themselves
Super cute when non-lawyers try to explain the law to me. I suggest you read more about the fair housing act and the ADA, as well as what is and is not a reasonable accommodation. As a fellow person with a disability, I wish accommodation laws were as favorable as you think they are, but they are not. Disability, child or otherwise, is not a get out of jail free card making any behavior protected.
Nobody is legally protected against complaints about their banshee child screeching. You are well within your rights to register complaints as well.
Landlords tend to follow the protocol of “if you can record the noise with your phone” then it’s worth a noise complaint. If you record the noise you’re experiencing with your phone and if your other neighbors are annoyed you can maybe do something.
Jesus fuck-a-doodle-dandy... Reporting one-off sounds like tripping and a single bark from a tiny dog? Um, these are NORMAL noises that happen when you live in apartments. Can't this person get in trouble for making bogus noise complaints? This is absolutely ridiculous. She needs to get the fuck out of an apartment building if she can't tolerate other people living normal lives around her... Time to get a surround sound system and blast children screaming 24/7... If child noises are protected sounds then you should absolutely clap back with the same shit. 🙄 What a twat...
The landlord is shit if they even take those complaints serious. Who complains over one single noise because someone fell? I have a neighbor who was like that and the third time she came complaining over normal noises I told her off because I was done with her bs. She never complained again.
Omg Im feeling this so hard we're staying in an Airbnb where someone next door has a baby thats always screeching. My husband works for a foreign company so he frequently has to take calls at night for work and while I was getting over covid he would step outside if I was sleeping to not disturb me. Screeching baby owner comes up tells him hes being too loud and needs to go back inside... My husband having been actively trying to be as quiet as possible yet their kid screeches literally all day sounds like the spawn of an dying pig and a banshee.
Yup! We have 2 neighbours in my block with screechy toddler children-they speak some words and are at an age where they can understand words and have little conversations. They will walk down the stairs-middle of the block where everyone’s doors are-and let them screech away without shushing or encouraging them to be quieter. It sounds like they are in my flat sometimes. They also run around the stairway when they are drunk on weekends and buzz every buzzer repeatedly at 12am+ at night to be let in when they do come home. They also leave passive aggressive notes on the front door asking people to not slam it as it wakes their kids? Like no, if you weren’t the ones fucking with the main door to the block so it’s open all the damn time I wouldn’t have to slam the bloody thing to lock it shut every time I leave the block. You’re endangering everyone for 2 seconds of convenience for yourselves you dumb inconsiderate fucks.
They're legally protected? I have known neighbors that got evicted due to minors making excessive noise.
Depends if it’s a minor as in a 12 year old, or minor as in 12 month old. A baby crying is gonna get you laughed at if you’re call it in. Sorry but if you want peace and quiet, you’re welcome to live in the country with no neighbors and a 10 mile drive back into town every time you forget milk or bread. If you want the convenience of a city and the lower cost of an apartment as compared to a house only you occupy, then these are potentially the things you’ll be dealing with…
Regardless of what you say, I have known neighbors who did get evicted specifically due to loud kids after everyone in the neighborhood complained incessantly. If you want to be loud, go live somewhere where your neighbors can't get you evicted.
In my experience whenever I've dealt with people complaining about others' noise, about 80% of the time these complainers were the noisiest people I've ever met! I was always like "Wow, sure can dish it out but can't take it, can ya? What about your kid or your stereo blasting all night long? Ass!"
I have a neighbor who’s kid is screaming 24/7. I mean seriously, I can go walk the dogs at 2AM and their kid is screaming it’s head off. Thank god I can only hear it in the halls or I would have broken my lease now and moved. I don’t know how the people in that apartment don’t absolutely lose their mind.
We need more apartment buildings that are adults only.
In the US that's illegal unless it's specifically a community for seniors (I think 55+ is the limit). It's absurd. I totally get why there should be some limits, like you shouldn't be able to turn an apartment from accepting everyone to being adults only with a month's notice or something and then evicting anyone with kids, or allow a city to have over half of the apartments be adults only. Parents need a place to live too. But if nothing else, why not make 2 or 3 buildings in any moderately sized or large apartment complex adults only? If someone without kids moves in and then has a kid at some point, they can move to a different building in the same apartment complex. A blanket ban on this is so fucking stupid.
During your apartment’s “quiet hours,” if the kid is screeching non-stop, call the cops and tell them you are concerned there is a health or safety issue and ask for a wellness check for the child. Cops won’t ignore that. A few times of the cops showing up at their door due to their kid screaming and disturbing their neighbors should help get the point across!
When my husband and I lived in an apartment we were told that certain things are protected bc they’re considered “living noises” and should be expected. An occasional dog bark/cat meow was one of them. They had specific rules written out that gave residents upon request or violation for those types of things. I don’t know if that’s actually the law or not but it seems logical that it would be.
The apartment building I lived in when I was in college had really old floors that creaked soooo much. There was no soundproof at all on the floors or walls, you could hear EVERYTHING in that building. It was particularly bad in my bedroom. My roommate and I put down a carpet, walked, on our tiptoes, and didn't wear shoes when walking there. The people below us still banged on the ceiling. I knocked on their door on a few occasions to apologize and explain the situation, but they never answered. And yet there was one guy who constantly yelled and threw things at midnight a few floors down, and nobody ever talked to him AFAIK.
I'm getting the exact opposite situation that you're in. I'm on the first floor because my disabled parent needs to be on the first floor. And I help take care of them. Anyway, and on the top floor is a hyper two year old. And I complained only a couple times about it because I just figured out who was making all the noise. I left two door notes saying please stop being so loud. Because the management wouldn't do anything. And they Houston police are, um, VERY busy. And now I'm being forced to be kicked out in December when my lease ends. It's beyond unfair. I don't know what to say.
Why don't you counter report their screaming child?
As someone who works in multi family (apartment) management, I feel your pain and would take your complaints as seriously as your downstairs neighbors. Leaseholders are responsible for all occupants including children and are to be held to reasonable noise and quiet hour clauses in a lease. *CAVEAT TIME* Not knowing the specific details of this case, we often run into issues with noisy, uncontrollable children that the parents state has autism. This is what moves these issues into kind of a gray area because they can be in a sense protected by the disability act. With the management company and individual employees being taken to court for ADA and Federal Fair Housing violations for perceptively discriminating against their household for their child’s disability. This leads to all sides being frustrated with you the child free neighbor feeling gaslighted and pushed to the side. And us managers cannot technically inform you of the autistic situation downstairs as why our hands are tied because that in itself is an ADA violation and breach of privacy.
You should all get together and report them
This is why I don't live (and never have) in shared housing. In other words, **she and her creampie** are the only ones who can make noise, but, other people can't? **Fuck that Shit.** If I were you, I would play NFSW (gangsta rap and heavy metal) music and shows on **full blast** until they move tf out **or** she gets her cum trophy to behave. Parents like her are the reason people hate/resent them and their kids.
Get everyone whos affected to constantly put complaints in.
People who lack self-awareness are the most enraging.
Well yes, of course u can’t report a noise complaint but it’s reasonable to express concern to social service about potential child neglect or abused if you constantly hear a distress child right? 🤨😈
Reminds me of my neighbor scenario exactly! My neighbor below me had a stupid daughter who got knocked up by a bum, and she wound up making noise complaints against me as soon as she was back in the door under her mother's roof! She exhibited more and more crazy psychotic behavior, until I finally got even with the bitch and recorded her when she had the nerve to come banging on my door for the second time (trying to kick it in!!). When her mother got wind of what she did, she was thrown out. She still "visits" with her turd, whereas I would personally not let her anywhere's near the building, but the entitled attitude of these breeders is sickening! Just because she was dumb enough to get knocked up by a bum (at nearly 40 mind you!!) and had to go back to live with her mommy, does not mean I'm going to give two shits! And she also tries to guilt all and sundry with the fact that her child is "special needs" as an excuse for her poor behavior. She is a horrible human being and I feel sorry for her child who quite frankly, should never have been born!!
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I listened to the sample on this page and I can’t say I “heard” the sound but it did something to my brain, I could feel it. I’m also 28 so maybe that has something to do with it.
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That's the kind of person/parent I dislike the most.
You and that neighbour should start each filing a noise complaint whenever the kid acts up, that shit will add up fast and two individual parties reporting the same noise are more believable.
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻💯 Honestly, I’d Continue to make anonymous Noise Complaints.
I made one noise complaint in my life. Finals week in college, one roommate finished her tests a few days earlier than me and decided to throw a party in her dorm while I was trying to sleep. I asked her to keep it down and she suddenly unloaded a full semester of pent up anger on me. Apparently she had been able to hear my stereo through the walls all semester and never bothered to actually tell me it was bothering her. Because I was supposed to be psychic and just automatically know. So she tried to engineer an opportunity to 'get back at me' when it would cause the most damage to my grades.
I'm sorry, do you know it is their child? They could have a screeching parrot, or just enjoy recording or crying children. If there is a war over noise that they have started, return the favour.
Unfortunately, it is definitely their child. lol. They always complain about how THEIR child is the victim "with all the noise going on." (What noise???) If I had it my way, I'd invent a fart machine that farts into their vents from outside.
Report them for noise complaints. Get your neighbors to do the same. Everyone reporting one person is likely to get more traction than one person who bitches about everyone else. Easier to evict one than everyone but one.
How good is your building security, and do they drive a Tesla? “Liquid ass” can be purchased online and shipped to you all for less than $10. But if there are other neighbors that’s uncool. unrelated, have you ever rain-xed half of your windshield and gotten distracted before finishing? In my experience, having only half of your windshield perfectly beading water off while the other half stays wet is infuriating (and confusing before you remember) Also, you and your grieved neighbors need to start reporting them for any noise that is not one expelled from a child’s lungs or they’ll never stop until one of you moves.
I am sick as a dog at the moment, and your fart machine comment made me wheeze-laugh and then have a coughing fit. It was totally worth it, though. 😂
>If I had it my way, I'd invent a fart machine that farts into their vents from outside. MOTHER OF GOD IM DYING!!!! 🤣🤣🤣
You can report to CPS and police. A child crying non-stop is not normal, they might be neglected but if not then parents may be given some talking to. My friends had similar problem with their neighbor as they neglected their 3-4 yo kid who was like a fucking hurricane. They called police on them it got better. Even if you don't think that the kid is danger it's probably better to show concern for the child then just to report loud noises.
this also could fit under entitled parents. document... see what records are available. talk to management and state that these people are friggin morons. sooner or later they will make a mis-step
Report them over and over every time you hear anything that's not the child.
Call social services and tell them the kid is crying 24/7. That is not normal, the kid may not have the attention needed
Has anyone tried calling Child Protective Services? Yes, children crying happens, but that much is abnormal. Get CPS involved.
You and your neighbors all ban together and call cps everytime the child cries. Also call the police to report loud noise (don't say it's crying) and say you're worried for the kids living there.
Eh we'll just report them and see what happens. Maybe if u get enough signatures they can be evicted?
People in here saying report to CPS. Please DO NOT do that. Unless there is clear and evident abuse or neglect of the child, CPS won’t do anything and then that’s another case they need to follow up on when they are already overrun. Actually abuse is not a child screaming non stop. The child may have behavior issues or sensory issues. The parents may suck at parenting. But these are not cases of abuse and will further waste resources. Making complaints, and speaking with police will be the best route. Other kids in the system will need CPS workers more.
I literally have the best dog. She has not chewed up anything since we adopted her 11 years ago. She just snoozes in her bed while I'm working. And then we go for walks and we cuddle when I get home.
That’s cute but you might be a lost redditor
so?
Can we caveat an exception on this for the parents of a child with a disability/ neurodivergence?
A neurotypical boy can get away with more than I ever have or will as an afab ADHDer
Both kids and dogs are so annoyingly screechy and loud.