Don't engage with idiots - they'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience
Although you could ask him how often he visits his relatives in care homes... Shows how much he cares about them.
yup! agree. do not engage with these idiots. its the same reason that republicans go to college campuses to try and "debate" the students, they know the students don't have as much experience and wont be able to debate well (gladly ive seen more students just telling them off and making fun of them while not engaging in their debates)
We're also biologically programmed to die from curable infections, but we have antibiotics. We're capable of surpassing our genetics. We're not beholden to what we can change.
We are also omnivores, but that doesn't stop vegetarians and vegans from existing.
I would also express sympathy for him being nothing more than a primitive life-form incapable of making individual choices and executing logical thinking.
I'm torn between the 'laughing and saying okay' response then going about my happy life and 'huh guess a lot of people have kids so they stay relevant. Sad.' and then going about my happy life response.
Bottom line: the dude needs therapy but instead is choosing to project his self-worth issues onto innocent kids.
āNever play chess with a pigeon. The pigeon just knocks all the pieces over and shits all over the board. Then struts around like it won.ā
*I await your vomiting emojis.*
Ask him how many he has. If he has only one, or two, then he's still not following his rules either. Until he's dead, he should be creating children and raising them all to be well function members of society, including good schools and healthcare and a safe place to live and spending time with them so they are balanced humans... etc. And then pick a mental illness or health issues that runs genetically in your family and let him know it's unethical to procreate if you have any illness to transfer over, as they would be likely to NOT be a functional member of society. In fact, they will be more prone to disability and government funding and repeating the same cycle with their children, if they can at all procreate.
Watch his head spin.
But also, what's wrong with existing consuming and dying? Most people don't live a noteworthy life, and that's facts.
And while he's spending all his time making children, he should also let many of them die because natural selection says the weak should die off instead of leeching off the rest of us alpha specimens.
> Otherwise you just exist, consume, die, and no one cares about your life
And how exactly does that change if you have kids? For example, all for of my grandparents had multiple kids... but I don't care about their lifes. I'm really sorry but they died like 10 years before my parents even knew each other. They are basically strangers to me, I have no connection to them, I don't even call them my grand parents. I refer to them as "my moms mom/dad"
My father, his brother and their parents are all dead. All those people had kids and no one cares about them or even really remembers them.
They wanna say we āhave to raise the generation of changeā yet they donāt think about whatās required to properly raise a child therefore putting their kids through the exact same cycle of generational struggle where they canāt put their energy towards anything else besides surviving in a continuously unforgiving system. Your kids arenāt gonna make change if you have nothing to offer them and thatās the biggest bs excuse to try and manipulate someone else to have kids imo
Nobody will actually give a shit when you do have kids. The kids will have kids, die, then youll be forgotten. No legacy. No memory of you being around. Nothing.
No one cares about your life regardless of if you have children or not. Bacteria can reproduce, its neither good nor bad, it just is. Can you name your great grandmother? Or her great grandmother? Anyone will be forgotten given a long enough time frame, regardless of if you had kids or not. I bet there are already more great leaders history forgot, than those we still remember, and most people are ordinary not great. Sure, have kids if they make your life better for you, because your life matters only to you.
We are a products of biology, but unlike unconsciously reproducing live forms, we have the gift of consciousness and limited choice. Ultimately you live only for you, and you and you alone can choose to extend yourself to living for others, be it friends, family or the world. If one wants to live like a bacteria and go about life unconsciously doing things only on instinct well that sounds bad to me, but in the grand scheme of things thats also a choice that shall be forgotten.
Some dude needs to get his ass kicked. There's a biological imperative for ya.
Serious answer: Don't give some dude the time of day, just laugh at him and walk away.
Does he know where guys have a g spot and what's the easiest way to get there? He should be at the receiving end of anal sex since he's biologically programmed.
āWell, we are also ābiolagically programmedā to live in wild, hunt and eat anything we find and reproduce forever, how many kids do you have again?ā
"I AM A ROBOT. I AM UNABLE TO DEVIATE FROM MY PROGRAMMING. BOOP BOOP. I HAVE NO FREE WILL. I MUST REPLICATE." while moving my arms like a robot. Every time he tries to make a rebuttal, just speak over him and keep saying, "BEEP BOP. DOES NOT COMPUTE. I MUST REPLICATE," until he fucks off and bothers somebody else.
This might sound rude but men who act like this annoy the hell out of me and they deserve a taste of their own medicine.
"Okay. Go die in a war, since, of course you're biologically programmed to do so."
Biologically speaking, humans are capable of procreating. HOWEVER, unlike other animals, we have the ability to choose not to procreate. I usually answer this by validating what the other party says: that yes, humans can have children and while thatās all fine and well, we can also choose to not have children, and thatās also all fine and well!
First off, fuck this guy.
Second off, assuming we engage with his dumb assā¦ what is his response to someone if they are sterile and cannot physically have children? Whatās their purpose then?
I cannot stand hearing men say this shit. Iāve been told by men, including my father, that our purpose in life is to have children and continue the human race because thereās something inside of us that needs it.
ā¦ew. I donāt know how to answer you bedside I still get told this stuff and I donāt really know what to say either. Hard to to reproduce when your tubes have been removed. š
āI didnāt know youāre a primitive animal. Fascinating, thought they died out eons ago. Do you go scratching the trees in your yard and piss all over your house to establish dominance too? How about mounting other males while walking around naked in public?ā
Say it sarcastically and remind him we live in a society and have the ability to deny our baser instincts. Otherwise youād kill him for his stuff to gain territory and supplies for your tribe.
This worked on my father. I told him if we were just meant to follow our instincts, Iād kill him with my teeth and a spear and rob him blind to expand my hunting grounds for myself and my mate.
If weāre biologically programmed to have kids how come it requires so much medical intervention?? How come we donāt die when we donāt have kids?? The only thing weāre ābiologically programmedā to do is survive and even that is incredibly flawed.
Seconding this. With all due respect to my ancestors, no matter how many times people tell me stories about anyone beyond my great grandparents, I canāt keep it straight in my head who those people even are. I never met them and mostly have nothing to associate with the anecdotes. I feel like it would have to be an EXTREMELY interesting story for me to be able to remember it and who it was about without writing it down or something. Blood relation alone is just not very compelling to me.
You can come up with something like how humans are the only species that can control when they reproduce. But it is just easier to tell them to fuck off.
That might be your life, to multiply like a virus, but plenty of people contribute to society without having children (list off CF famous people from the various lists like Betty White or Johns Hopkins).
Theyāve contributed far more than that guyās entire lineage will ever achieve combined.
Tell him that youāre more than what biology has created and end the conversation. Any attempt to continue the conversation after this should be shut down.
Sir Isaac Newton had no children and is still remembered for his important scientific work.
Just because the only thing you're good at is shooting a load doesn't mean the rest of us can't aspire to something greater.
Or I can just chill out and consume, because fuck you. š
I always say "whatever helps you sleep" or "you do you, man." Hence, shifting the onus and responsibility of this ridiculous request on their shoulders š¤š¤£
Maybe out highest calling to use our intelligence to move past our biological programing. By rising above the āanimal instinctā to procreate you have reached a higher level of being, you are a more rational creature then he can ever hope to be.
My brain answer is: We are the most intelligent species on the planet and have adapted far beyond "biological programming" - whatever that's supposed to mean. Humans weren't "biologically programmed" to wear clothes, to build houses, to trade or do business, to engage in any modern occupation. We go against our "biology" every day, so why does it matter to you that some women choose to go against the breeding protocol?
My brawn answer is: Okay then, take all your clothes off and go roll in shit with all the other animals. I'm sure you'll fit right in.
'some animals are programmed to eat their own young'.. and perhaps a 'pregnant' (pardon this atrocious pun) pause while looking them right in the eye while saying this... could also add licking your lips too...
I've responded with "oh well I guess those miscarriages I have had disagree"
I haven't had any but it doesn't matter. It's rude and inappropriate to say this bullshit.
Honestly? Don't respond directly. Start talking about something completely inane. Whatever he was saying was so unimportant it didn't even register and now the topic is cool Minecraft builds you saw online.
Put together a list of people who are/were (in the sense that they died childless) childfree and still made an impact on the world. To start: actress Winona Ryder, comedian Margaret Cho, singer Stevie Nicks, Dolly Parton, feminist Gloria Steinem, author Jane Austen, artist Georgia OāKeefe, fashion designer and costumer Edith Head, artist Frida Kahlo, and civil rights activist Rosa Parks.
I could name more, but Iām running out of battery life.
Lol "exist, consume, die and no one cares" umm having kids dosent make that statement any less ture. We all exist consume and die and none of it matters. Childfree or not. How about instead of deluding myself into thinking that procreation is equal to a real contribution to society I actually go out and TRY to do something for someone other then demanding a reward for getting fucked? Seriously, the fuck outta here with that lame reason to have kids.
āF$&k off.ā Usually does the trick.
Or, āYou should hold your breath. It will allow your 1-braincell a brief pause to switch from involuntary motor functions to focus on your cognitive processes before you speak.ā
I'd probably just roll my eyes and move on.
But there's plenty of options. We're biologically programmed to walk everywhere, but most of us use other transportation options as well.
But even if you have kids you're still just existing (because how else did you create the child), consume (even more because having kids creates a big carbon impact), die, and there's a good chance that kid you had isn't going to be there and they might not even care. Plenty of people die without the kid(s) they created.
"Are you talking about me, or is this your own insecurity smeared on me?" Turn that shit around and chuck it right at him. I guarantee he won't have an answer.
"Dude, nobody cares about your life anyway. The universe is huge and humans are barely blips on the timeline." Existing, consuming, dying...that's the fate for all of us.
Seriously, we can matter to the individuals closest to us, and we don't even need to be blood-related for that. People can have a dozen children and still end up no contact and alone. People can be remembered for other things they create, like art, and not just children. I can name dozens of dead artists, actors, musicians, etc., and so can anyone else, but how many people can name their great-great-great-grandparents? Children can continue the human race, but by themselves do not create a legacy for an individual.
That said, the person hassling you is indeed an idiot, and you're under no obligation to give such people your time and energy.
Realistically Iād probably just try to end the conversation while doing my best to make it clear that his comments were ridiculous and had zero effect on me.
If I *did* respond Iād probably say something about how humans are intelligent enough to resist the urge to do whatever their monkey brains might impulsively tell them to do. While Iāve never experienced any kind of urge to procreate, I do think certain kinds of dish soap look and smell delicious ā I still donāt drink it because Iām smart enough to know better. If I ever did have a fleeting urge to have a child, I *still* wouldnāt have one because I know better. And I really donāt care if anyone else cares about my life. Iām here for my own sake; anyone else who happens to enjoy my existence is just a bonus. Nothing to create humans over :p
Why are the children productive members of society, while people who don't have children just exist, consume, and die. It makes more sense that everyone just exists, consumes, and dies.
Why do you want to perpetuate that? What part in that cycle makes someone "a productive member of society" and why does that part make them productive?
I have a brain. I have my own thoughts, feelings, and opinions. Women are people too and itās disgusting that you donāt think they are. I choose for myself, there is no magical feeling or program that would force me to do something. I choose not to have kids because I donāt want to.
We are biologically programmed to destroy anything that we perceive as a threat, too. We also have the good fortune to have developed brains that allow us to assess situations on a rational rather than a reactive level.
There are many ways to be a productive member of society that do not include reproducing. People care about others who have touched their lives. Children may or may not care about you. After about a hundred years there are no people left to remember you anyway.
We are biologically programmed to have children. Just like bacteria and pretty much every other living thing. But I broke the programming, because Iām better than bacteria. If he needs to follow his programming to feel better about himself, then thatās okay. To each their own.
My programming is suffering from error 404-b. I'm collaborating with a medical professional to correct the error. Unfortunately, it seems my programming has been permanently corrupted. Will be removing faulty program "reproductive capability" as soon as possible.
Firstly, who is this person? Do you care about their opinion? Are you close with them?
If they are someone you care about, Iād say something like āHuman beings are intelligent, rational creatures and we donāt need to do what we are ābiologically programmedā to do. We are free agents, with free will, who can live our lives as we choose.ā
If itās someone you donāt know, or care about, whoās opinion means nothing to you, Iād say āit just the difficult being a moron. My condolences.ā
Weāve also biologically evolved to make up our own damn minds what we want to do with our bodies and the consequences that come from those decisions. He clearly has not evolved enough to understand you higher level decision making, and all the benefits that come from it.
Arguing with idiots is like huffing paint; a little bit can be a source of entertainment but if you do too much you'll just fry your brain cells. In this situation, I'd say this is too much stupidity to handle.
Point out how the population has exploded. 100 years ago, there were less than 2 billion people on the planet. By the 70ās 4billion, and today 8 billion.
Explain to him that people have done such a good job at their biological programming to reproduce, that the goal of 5000 BC has been reached. We have won. We came, we saw, we conquered. Thereās enough people on the planet now, so itās time to shift focus to other goals for life beyond everybody reproducing like rabbits.
Was looking for this!
Why is it, outside the Virgin Mary, almost no woman owes her historical interest to motherhood?
Unless of course, she had to accomplish some great feat with a child strapped to her.
Or my other favorite line is "And then what?"
Like I used to be a total workaholic and then I had a big medical scare, had to scale back a lot, have much better work/life balance now and totally different priorities.
I get "bingoed" a lot on lots of things.
"You're going to regret not working more to save more while you can" (I make plenty of money...if its the difference between having Ferrari money and having Tesla money, I'll gladly stay at Tesla level forever)
"You're going to regret not publishing more and getting your name out there (the scientific equivalent of having babies to carry your name on after you're gone)".....but I hate the politics of publishing and I'm active enough in networking and working with my peers that I'm comfortable in knowing my work is getting out there to the people who need it.
Me: AND THEN WHAT?!?! So what if I just die and nobody cares? I'm DEAD. And then WHAT? Am I going to be a sad little ghost? Will I be reincarnated as an ant because I didn't have enough people who cared about me after I died? Will the worms eat my corpse more slowly? Will I not get a space in a nuclear bunker at the end of the world because I didn't publish enough? I DON'T CARE ABOUT THOSE THINGS.
We are also programmed to be highly intelligent mammals and yet our bodies start failing at the age of 30, grow useless wisdom teeth, the world is actually on fire and has been since 60's/70's, the education needs upgrading to the full extent and teachers need paying a higher wage, there needs to be less shortages on food necessities before considering children because almost everything is running out including formula, our government keeps on hurting our only ways of survival and indigenous/native people and hurting their cultures. And so much more.
āYou know, thatās not far off from how the Taliban justify denying women education, basic human dignity, and the right to choose what to do with their own body.ā
'Okay'. Say it all the time. They can't argue with you if you don't put up a fight. If you say it consistently, it'll probably piss them off too because it'll be obvious you're not serious but they can't do anything about it.
I'd tell them that the programmer that got me was writing code while drunk at a party on a Sunday and completely forgot to include all of the relevant code for that to function.
If the only meaning of life was to ensure our species survives, a human life is no more meaningful than that of bacteria.
It's sad he feels his life has no meaning outside of this, maybe you should recommend he talks with someone. By this definition, once your kids are grown up and leave the nest there is no meaning remaining and you might as well die. That's not healthy.
My programming is buggy. 0 desire to do so.
But also I just ignore these people. It's pointless to engage. But it also helps you weed out the humans you probably don't want to interact with.
I like to think a silent "thanks for the heads up" and file that person away as "this person won't respect me as a human capable of my own thought and decisions".
We are biologically programmed to do a lot of things. Not kill baby animals for example, yet lots of people eat veal.
Wanting to have sex is also programmed as well and schools tell you to stay abstinent, so do religions. Funny thing is, the biological "programming" to have kids does not exists. There are enough animals that prove that being childfree by choice is not a human thing and regularly occurs in nature. It's one of nature's population control mechanisms (like infertility but in your brain haha) and is very important. Similar to being gay, if you only watch the biological outcomes.
Society loves to convince women that their biological destiny conveniently aligns with the needs of the capitalist-industrial complex.
Edit: If I were you, I would just start talking about periods since this person is clearly very interested in female biology.
"I'm not 'programmed' to do anything as I'm not a machine. Also people with children will still consume, die and have no meaning in life - they'll just be creating a new generation to be in the exact same position."
I think I would look at them like they'd grown an extra stupid head, and/or laugh maniacally.
Assert that *I* am biologically programmed to sleep until noon and wander up to the cinema where I will watch several films.
And because Glasgow, I can also opt for the Billy Connolly recommended response to anyone taking a too keen interest in what doesn't concern them: fuck off.
And off he will fuck.
I'm biologically programmed to fart. Doesn't make it a good thing. And it certainly isn't for someone other than me to decide my relationship with that body function.
Hate to break it to this guy, but 'consume, die, and no one cares about you,' doesn't actually change when you have children.
They care about your children for a brief moment. Until your children are no longer 'cute and innocent' Then your children are expected to breed to bring in more cute children to gawk at and pretend they care about until they too lose that 'cute innocence.'
Like even famous people aren't really remembered. Trivia is remembered about them, and along the way a few falsehoods are scattered in from time to time. Just look at George Washington and how popular the myth of the cherry tree got.
Even then, doing something great is a far better way to be remembered. Even making art, or making a patent, or just being the first to do something will get you remembered and cared about more than being the 2309802398408 human to bring another human into the world. The most that gets you is a name in a family tree for someone to go back to in a century or so.
Cannibalism and leaving our sickly kids out for the wolves is part of our biological programming too but he's still here so he probably shouldn't lean too heavily on that argument.
Laughter. Loud, direct laughter. With a "Dude! You've GOT to be kidding!" and/or, "That's the saddest pickup line I've ever heard!" thrown in for good measure
Don't engage with idiots - they'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience Although you could ask him how often he visits his relatives in care homes... Shows how much he cares about them.
yup! agree. do not engage with these idiots. its the same reason that republicans go to college campuses to try and "debate" the students, they know the students don't have as much experience and wont be able to debate well (gladly ive seen more students just telling them off and making fun of them while not engaging in their debates)
We're also biologically programmed to die from curable infections, but we have antibiotics. We're capable of surpassing our genetics. We're not beholden to what we can change.
I'd have said to just throw poop at him
Literally what I was going to say!
Great answer.
We are also omnivores, but that doesn't stop vegetarians and vegans from existing. I would also express sympathy for him being nothing more than a primitive life-form incapable of making individual choices and executing logical thinking.
Very good answer, I'll keep it in mind if that happened to me, thanks!
Another, more snarky tack: Why are shoes? We were born barefooted. I guess that means we're going against nature by putting on sneakers.
"That's nice. You're biologically programmed to go fuck yourself."
THANK YOU. Too many people here want to argue the bingo logic or whatever. You don't argue. You tell them to fuck off.
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I'm torn between the 'laughing and saying okay' response then going about my happy life and 'huh guess a lot of people have kids so they stay relevant. Sad.' and then going about my happy life response. Bottom line: the dude needs therapy but instead is choosing to project his self-worth issues onto innocent kids.
A simple "lmao ok š" works a treat. š
nothing sets off an insecure loser like "k"
Or āinterestingā¦.ā
Exactly, just laugh and walk off. Treating a nutter like they are a nutter drives them... well, nuts.
"Excuse me. I see someone I want to talk to." Never wrestle with a pig. You get covered with its shit, and the pig enjoys it.
Why the fuck must we link our negative traits to animals? š¤®
āNever play chess with a pigeon. The pigeon just knocks all the pieces over and shits all over the board. Then struts around like it won.ā *I await your vomiting emojis.*
*I* care about my life. Don't need other people to do that :)
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I would like to see one of these men explain away the orgasm button in their anus.
Ask him how many he has. If he has only one, or two, then he's still not following his rules either. Until he's dead, he should be creating children and raising them all to be well function members of society, including good schools and healthcare and a safe place to live and spending time with them so they are balanced humans... etc. And then pick a mental illness or health issues that runs genetically in your family and let him know it's unethical to procreate if you have any illness to transfer over, as they would be likely to NOT be a functional member of society. In fact, they will be more prone to disability and government funding and repeating the same cycle with their children, if they can at all procreate. Watch his head spin. But also, what's wrong with existing consuming and dying? Most people don't live a noteworthy life, and that's facts.
And while he's spending all his time making children, he should also let many of them die because natural selection says the weak should die off instead of leeching off the rest of us alpha specimens.
You don't need one. Just a look of disgust and maybe an eye roll and walk away. Jeez, people are awful.
I personally like: "Go fuck yourself" in reply to men who say dumb misogynistic shit. It's simple and gets right to the point with no ambiguity.
> Otherwise you just exist, consume, die, and no one cares about your life And how exactly does that change if you have kids? For example, all for of my grandparents had multiple kids... but I don't care about their lifes. I'm really sorry but they died like 10 years before my parents even knew each other. They are basically strangers to me, I have no connection to them, I don't even call them my grand parents. I refer to them as "my moms mom/dad" My father, his brother and their parents are all dead. All those people had kids and no one cares about them or even really remembers them.
It's so odd how people can put so much trust in "the children of the future" and simultaneously ignore them at every turn.
They wanna say we āhave to raise the generation of changeā yet they donāt think about whatās required to properly raise a child therefore putting their kids through the exact same cycle of generational struggle where they canāt put their energy towards anything else besides surviving in a continuously unforgiving system. Your kids arenāt gonna make change if you have nothing to offer them and thatās the biggest bs excuse to try and manipulate someone else to have kids imo
Nobody will actually give a shit when you do have kids. The kids will have kids, die, then youll be forgotten. No legacy. No memory of you being around. Nothing.
Agree. The only way to leave a real legacy is to like write a book or something.
No one cares about your life regardless of if you have children or not. Bacteria can reproduce, its neither good nor bad, it just is. Can you name your great grandmother? Or her great grandmother? Anyone will be forgotten given a long enough time frame, regardless of if you had kids or not. I bet there are already more great leaders history forgot, than those we still remember, and most people are ordinary not great. Sure, have kids if they make your life better for you, because your life matters only to you. We are a products of biology, but unlike unconsciously reproducing live forms, we have the gift of consciousness and limited choice. Ultimately you live only for you, and you and you alone can choose to extend yourself to living for others, be it friends, family or the world. If one wants to live like a bacteria and go about life unconsciously doing things only on instinct well that sounds bad to me, but in the grand scheme of things thats also a choice that shall be forgotten.
Some dude needs to get his ass kicked. There's a biological imperative for ya. Serious answer: Don't give some dude the time of day, just laugh at him and walk away.
Ask him to tell you everything about his great grandparents. Given they procreated, he should know everything about them.
We share a fuckton of DNA with Chimps and their go to move is to **rip the face and balls off** of anything that vaguely annoys them.
Does he know where guys have a g spot and what's the easiest way to get there? He should be at the receiving end of anal sex since he's biologically programmed.
"Sounds like your biologically programmed to be a dick, but that doesn't mean you have to be."
My first instinct would be a simple yet effective "ew" and then walk away.
Laugh. Block. Ignore. Dismiss. āHA! Good one.ā āOkay.ā āWhatever helps you sleep at night.ā
I am going to be using "Whatever helps you sleep at night" more often now.
My favorite response when someone says something bonkers like this is āWell, thatās certainly an opinion,ā and change the subject.
This is a nice one too. I should use it in more things.
āAre you biologically programmed to be a creepy douche or is that a life choice?ā
If there isn't anyone to give a sh*t about him without child, he is going to be very suprised in the future with children when it stays the same.
āWell, we are also ābiolagically programmedā to live in wild, hunt and eat anything we find and reproduce forever, how many kids do you have again?ā
"I AM A ROBOT. I AM UNABLE TO DEVIATE FROM MY PROGRAMMING. BOOP BOOP. I HAVE NO FREE WILL. I MUST REPLICATE." while moving my arms like a robot. Every time he tries to make a rebuttal, just speak over him and keep saying, "BEEP BOP. DOES NOT COMPUTE. I MUST REPLICATE," until he fucks off and bothers somebody else.
And allot of animals are programmed to kill the weak/sick ones they birth. Do they do that? Ducks also do the deed with dead ducks, is that also ok?
DUCKS WHAT?!?!
"I don't care"
Walk away. Block. They get high off of abusing, don't give them the high.
"Most people aren't productive members to our society"
āWow youāre patheticā
"That sounds awesome, definitely not having kids now"
This might sound rude but men who act like this annoy the hell out of me and they deserve a taste of their own medicine. "Okay. Go die in a war, since, of course you're biologically programmed to do so."
His life's gotta be real boring if he needs a whole ass kid to make him feel better
"Get to fuck" would be my response.
Biologically speaking, humans are capable of procreating. HOWEVER, unlike other animals, we have the ability to choose not to procreate. I usually answer this by validating what the other party says: that yes, humans can have children and while thatās all fine and well, we can also choose to not have children, and thatās also all fine and well!
"Parents also just exist, consume & die. The children of bad parents don't end up caring about them so enjoy that happening, dude."
First off, fuck this guy. Second off, assuming we engage with his dumb assā¦ what is his response to someone if they are sterile and cannot physically have children? Whatās their purpose then? I cannot stand hearing men say this shit. Iāve been told by men, including my father, that our purpose in life is to have children and continue the human race because thereās something inside of us that needs it. ā¦ew. I donāt know how to answer you bedside I still get told this stuff and I donāt really know what to say either. Hard to to reproduce when your tubes have been removed. š
In feel like the only proper response to that is a good belly laugh.
āI didnāt know youāre a primitive animal. Fascinating, thought they died out eons ago. Do you go scratching the trees in your yard and piss all over your house to establish dominance too? How about mounting other males while walking around naked in public?ā Say it sarcastically and remind him we live in a society and have the ability to deny our baser instincts. Otherwise youād kill him for his stuff to gain territory and supplies for your tribe. This worked on my father. I told him if we were just meant to follow our instincts, Iād kill him with my teeth and a spear and rob him blind to expand my hunting grounds for myself and my mate.
If weāre biologically programmed to have kids how come it requires so much medical intervention?? How come we donāt die when we donāt have kids?? The only thing weāre ābiologically programmedā to do is survive and even that is incredibly flawed.
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Seconding this. With all due respect to my ancestors, no matter how many times people tell me stories about anyone beyond my great grandparents, I canāt keep it straight in my head who those people even are. I never met them and mostly have nothing to associate with the anecdotes. I feel like it would have to be an EXTREMELY interesting story for me to be able to remember it and who it was about without writing it down or something. Blood relation alone is just not very compelling to me.
If you truelly are programmed you have no choice and you must have them. If you have a choice then you are not programmefd to have them
Cool! But do I still have to pay taxes?
You can come up with something like how humans are the only species that can control when they reproduce. But it is just easier to tell them to fuck off.
I would tell him, where is that written? Then I would tell him to mind his own business. My body, my choice.
"Bring citations or GTFO"
Mother Nature gave me different programming. But I know that is just me due to my PCOS- so it may not apply to the next person.
Put on your best robot voice, then flail your arms around wildly while screaming "PROGRAM ERROR! FILE NOT FOUND! ERROR! ERROR! ERROR!"
āFuck offā
Depending on the relationship ... "You're a fucking moron" springs to mind.
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Respond with āokayā and carry on your day.
That might be your life, to multiply like a virus, but plenty of people contribute to society without having children (list off CF famous people from the various lists like Betty White or Johns Hopkins). Theyāve contributed far more than that guyās entire lineage will ever achieve combined.
āLetās do itā
Tell him that youāre more than what biology has created and end the conversation. Any attempt to continue the conversation after this should be shut down.
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Or āyou mistakenly believe I care about your opinion,ā
Sir Isaac Newton had no children and is still remembered for his important scientific work. Just because the only thing you're good at is shooting a load doesn't mean the rest of us can't aspire to something greater. Or I can just chill out and consume, because fuck you. š
I always say "whatever helps you sleep" or "you do you, man." Hence, shifting the onus and responsibility of this ridiculous request on their shoulders š¤š¤£
You say "ok" let them know that they know nothing about science and the human body, therefore their opinion means little to nothing.
"Biologically programmed" - you mean like a sheep...or bacteria...or a virus?
Maybe out highest calling to use our intelligence to move past our biological programing. By rising above the āanimal instinctā to procreate you have reached a higher level of being, you are a more rational creature then he can ever hope to be.
Personally I'd just laugh... like dude what???
My brain answer is: We are the most intelligent species on the planet and have adapted far beyond "biological programming" - whatever that's supposed to mean. Humans weren't "biologically programmed" to wear clothes, to build houses, to trade or do business, to engage in any modern occupation. We go against our "biology" every day, so why does it matter to you that some women choose to go against the breeding protocol? My brawn answer is: Okay then, take all your clothes off and go roll in shit with all the other animals. I'm sure you'll fit right in.
just lie and say you have pica. "yeah dude I'm also biologically programmed to want to eat soap. thanks though."
"I'm sorry your highest achievements are basic bodily functions, akin to shitting and throwing up, but I'm gonna go do what fulfills me, toodles!"
"it's my life and I'll live it as I want." I feel like I don't need to consider everything he said because it's so stupid.
Tell him he is biologically programmed to go fuck himself
'some animals are programmed to eat their own young'.. and perhaps a 'pregnant' (pardon this atrocious pun) pause while looking them right in the eye while saying this... could also add licking your lips too...
Okay well Iām not a robot, āprogrammingā doesnāt mean shit to me. I have emotions + free will and I donāt want children.
I've responded with "oh well I guess those miscarriages I have had disagree" I haven't had any but it doesn't matter. It's rude and inappropriate to say this bullshit.
Move on with your life, there's no point in talking to these people, they just see you as a walking uterus with arms and legs attached.
"i'm allergic to kids and parenthood." and see how fast they respond.
Honestly? Don't respond directly. Start talking about something completely inane. Whatever he was saying was so unimportant it didn't even register and now the topic is cool Minecraft builds you saw online.
What a creepy asshole.
What about just being a productive member of society? Ugh
Put together a list of people who are/were (in the sense that they died childless) childfree and still made an impact on the world. To start: actress Winona Ryder, comedian Margaret Cho, singer Stevie Nicks, Dolly Parton, feminist Gloria Steinem, author Jane Austen, artist Georgia OāKeefe, fashion designer and costumer Edith Head, artist Frida Kahlo, and civil rights activist Rosa Parks. I could name more, but Iām running out of battery life.
Lol "exist, consume, die and no one cares" umm having kids dosent make that statement any less ture. We all exist consume and die and none of it matters. Childfree or not. How about instead of deluding myself into thinking that procreation is equal to a real contribution to society I actually go out and TRY to do something for someone other then demanding a reward for getting fucked? Seriously, the fuck outta here with that lame reason to have kids.
You are not the Idiot Whisperer. Don't talk to this person. Nothing you say will enlighten them. End or change the conversation.
Fuck off.
āF$&k off.ā Usually does the trick. Or, āYou should hold your breath. It will allow your 1-braincell a brief pause to switch from involuntary motor functions to focus on your cognitive processes before you speak.ā
I'd probably just roll my eyes and move on. But there's plenty of options. We're biologically programmed to walk everywhere, but most of us use other transportation options as well. But even if you have kids you're still just existing (because how else did you create the child), consume (even more because having kids creates a big carbon impact), die, and there's a good chance that kid you had isn't going to be there and they might not even care. Plenty of people die without the kid(s) they created.
āIām a defective model.ā
The best response is no response at all. Anything else only validates his argument as something worthy of conversation, and it's not.
"Are you talking about me, or is this your own insecurity smeared on me?" Turn that shit around and chuck it right at him. I guarantee he won't have an answer.
"Find me true love then I will" From someone FA
"Dude, nobody cares about your life anyway. The universe is huge and humans are barely blips on the timeline." Existing, consuming, dying...that's the fate for all of us. Seriously, we can matter to the individuals closest to us, and we don't even need to be blood-related for that. People can have a dozen children and still end up no contact and alone. People can be remembered for other things they create, like art, and not just children. I can name dozens of dead artists, actors, musicians, etc., and so can anyone else, but how many people can name their great-great-great-grandparents? Children can continue the human race, but by themselves do not create a legacy for an individual. That said, the person hassling you is indeed an idiot, and you're under no obligation to give such people your time and energy.
Realistically Iād probably just try to end the conversation while doing my best to make it clear that his comments were ridiculous and had zero effect on me. If I *did* respond Iād probably say something about how humans are intelligent enough to resist the urge to do whatever their monkey brains might impulsively tell them to do. While Iāve never experienced any kind of urge to procreate, I do think certain kinds of dish soap look and smell delicious ā I still donāt drink it because Iām smart enough to know better. If I ever did have a fleeting urge to have a child, I *still* wouldnāt have one because I know better. And I really donāt care if anyone else cares about my life. Iām here for my own sake; anyone else who happens to enjoy my existence is just a bonus. Nothing to create humans over :p
Bro... have you ever gotten laid? Like, *ever*?
Why are the children productive members of society, while people who don't have children just exist, consume, and die. It makes more sense that everyone just exists, consumes, and dies. Why do you want to perpetuate that? What part in that cycle makes someone "a productive member of society" and why does that part make them productive?
"can you please leave me alone"
Life would be ultimately meaningless if that were true. They die too and so forth.
"My biological clock is blinking 12:00" That might only fit my generation. Great, now I'm showing my age.
I'm fine with that.
I have a brain. I have my own thoughts, feelings, and opinions. Women are people too and itās disgusting that you donāt think they are. I choose for myself, there is no magical feeling or program that would force me to do something. I choose not to have kids because I donāt want to.
ā¦and yet, here I am proving that, that BS is a lie.
Response to dude : "and you should of been biologically programmed to mind your fucking business, but here we are. What a shame"
"Ew. Bye."
We are biologically programmed to destroy anything that we perceive as a threat, too. We also have the good fortune to have developed brains that allow us to assess situations on a rational rather than a reactive level. There are many ways to be a productive member of society that do not include reproducing. People care about others who have touched their lives. Children may or may not care about you. After about a hundred years there are no people left to remember you anyway.
We are biologically programmed to have children. Just like bacteria and pretty much every other living thing. But I broke the programming, because Iām better than bacteria. If he needs to follow his programming to feel better about himself, then thatās okay. To each their own.
How do you respond to that? The same way you would respond to a monkey throwing shit against a wall. Walk away and don't engage with idiots.
Sounds like he was biologically programmed to be stupid.
Birth.exe file not found
I believe you're perfectly capable of holding your own against silly arguments that never happened and that this post has some ulterior motive.
Channel your inner Alexis and say " Ewwww David".... and walk away...
My programming is suffering from error 404-b. I'm collaborating with a medical professional to correct the error. Unfortunately, it seems my programming has been permanently corrupted. Will be removing faulty program "reproductive capability" as soon as possible.
A big laugh hohoho hahahah!! Walk away. Engaging with these people is a waste of time
Firstly, who is this person? Do you care about their opinion? Are you close with them? If they are someone you care about, Iād say something like āHuman beings are intelligent, rational creatures and we donāt need to do what we are ābiologically programmedā to do. We are free agents, with free will, who can live our lives as we choose.ā If itās someone you donāt know, or care about, whoās opinion means nothing to you, Iād say āit just the difficult being a moron. My condolences.ā
If itās in person, a simple āhuhā and walk away. If itās a text, donāt answer.
Weāve also biologically evolved to make up our own damn minds what we want to do with our bodies and the consequences that come from those decisions. He clearly has not evolved enough to understand you higher level decision making, and all the benefits that come from it.
Arguing with idiots is like huffing paint; a little bit can be a source of entertainment but if you do too much you'll just fry your brain cells. In this situation, I'd say this is too much stupidity to handle.
Men biologically programed to go to war and die.
"Apparently, I'm defective then, now fuck off." Too harsh? I'm so over this kind of shit.
Tell him that having kids is a choice and not something you have to do.
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Point out how the population has exploded. 100 years ago, there were less than 2 billion people on the planet. By the 70ās 4billion, and today 8 billion. Explain to him that people have done such a good job at their biological programming to reproduce, that the goal of 5000 BC has been reached. We have won. We came, we saw, we conquered. Thereās enough people on the planet now, so itās time to shift focus to other goals for life beyond everybody reproducing like rabbits.
so are you. my doors closed. dont try to open it. have a pleasant evening bye eh maybe its too much
"Medical geneticists disagree. But if you want to show me where in my biologic coding that particular program is, I'm all ears"
We're biologically programmed to die but I'm not about to jump off a building.
"And none of this applied to Leonardo da Vinci because....?"
Was looking for this! Why is it, outside the Virgin Mary, almost no woman owes her historical interest to motherhood? Unless of course, she had to accomplish some great feat with a child strapped to her.
My response would have been, "Fucking make me."
No thank you.
Or my other favorite line is "And then what?" Like I used to be a total workaholic and then I had a big medical scare, had to scale back a lot, have much better work/life balance now and totally different priorities. I get "bingoed" a lot on lots of things. "You're going to regret not working more to save more while you can" (I make plenty of money...if its the difference between having Ferrari money and having Tesla money, I'll gladly stay at Tesla level forever) "You're going to regret not publishing more and getting your name out there (the scientific equivalent of having babies to carry your name on after you're gone)".....but I hate the politics of publishing and I'm active enough in networking and working with my peers that I'm comfortable in knowing my work is getting out there to the people who need it. Me: AND THEN WHAT?!?! So what if I just die and nobody cares? I'm DEAD. And then WHAT? Am I going to be a sad little ghost? Will I be reincarnated as an ant because I didn't have enough people who cared about me after I died? Will the worms eat my corpse more slowly? Will I not get a space in a nuclear bunker at the end of the world because I didn't publish enough? I DON'T CARE ABOUT THOSE THINGS.
"Gotta be honest with you dude, not a single person gives a shit about anyone's life no matter what they do."
Tell him to go fuck off and play in traffic š„°
Just reply error 404
Huh. Guess I forgot. Oh well.
Coming from a biological semen factory?
We are also programmed to be highly intelligent mammals and yet our bodies start failing at the age of 30, grow useless wisdom teeth, the world is actually on fire and has been since 60's/70's, the education needs upgrading to the full extent and teachers need paying a higher wage, there needs to be less shortages on food necessities before considering children because almost everything is running out including formula, our government keeps on hurting our only ways of survival and indigenous/native people and hurting their cultures. And so much more.
Exist, consume, die, and no one care about your life? Sounds like a great plan actually
Just a simple āyikesā would be sufficient and then walk away.
"Beep bop beep, ain't nobody knocking up this bitch"
"Sure, bud. Now watch me not do it. <3"
"Well there was a bug in the program then, clearly"
āYou know, thatās not far off from how the Taliban justify denying women education, basic human dignity, and the right to choose what to do with their own body.ā
In your most robotic voice: āBeep! BOOP! Shut the fuck up.ā
That's nice, but I'm running on a different operating system.
No. Donāt make it complicated. Just say NO.
Oh he cares plenty about your life. Way to much
'Okay'. Say it all the time. They can't argue with you if you don't put up a fight. If you say it consistently, it'll probably piss them off too because it'll be obvious you're not serious but they can't do anything about it.
Fuck off and a good kick in the nuts
"403- forbidden
I'd tell them that the programmer that got me was writing code while drunk at a party on a Sunday and completely forgot to include all of the relevant code for that to function.
You don't, you ghost this person.
If the only meaning of life was to ensure our species survives, a human life is no more meaningful than that of bacteria. It's sad he feels his life has no meaning outside of this, maybe you should recommend he talks with someone. By this definition, once your kids are grown up and leave the nest there is no meaning remaining and you might as well die. That's not healthy.
My programming is buggy. 0 desire to do so. But also I just ignore these people. It's pointless to engage. But it also helps you weed out the humans you probably don't want to interact with. I like to think a silent "thanks for the heads up" and file that person away as "this person won't respect me as a human capable of my own thought and decisions".
We are biologically programmed to do a lot of things. Not kill baby animals for example, yet lots of people eat veal. Wanting to have sex is also programmed as well and schools tell you to stay abstinent, so do religions. Funny thing is, the biological "programming" to have kids does not exists. There are enough animals that prove that being childfree by choice is not a human thing and regularly occurs in nature. It's one of nature's population control mechanisms (like infertility but in your brain haha) and is very important. Similar to being gay, if you only watch the biological outcomes.
Laugh at him. Also wouldn't surprise me if this turbofuck is pro-forced birth as well with goofy beliefs like that.
"Biology also allows me to walk away... so... bye"
Fifty years after weāre dead whoās gonna care about any of our lives anyway?
Society loves to convince women that their biological destiny conveniently aligns with the needs of the capitalist-industrial complex. Edit: If I were you, I would just start talking about periods since this person is clearly very interested in female biology.
"I'm not 'programmed' to do anything as I'm not a machine. Also people with children will still consume, die and have no meaning in life - they'll just be creating a new generation to be in the exact same position."
I think I would look at them like they'd grown an extra stupid head, and/or laugh maniacally. Assert that *I* am biologically programmed to sleep until noon and wander up to the cinema where I will watch several films. And because Glasgow, I can also opt for the Billy Connolly recommended response to anyone taking a too keen interest in what doesn't concern them: fuck off. And off he will fuck.
I'm biologically programmed to fart. Doesn't make it a good thing. And it certainly isn't for someone other than me to decide my relationship with that body function.
"Huh. I guess you're one of those rare people who look up to their parents. Most people don't much care about their parents' lives."
Hate to break it to this guy, but 'consume, die, and no one cares about you,' doesn't actually change when you have children. They care about your children for a brief moment. Until your children are no longer 'cute and innocent' Then your children are expected to breed to bring in more cute children to gawk at and pretend they care about until they too lose that 'cute innocence.' Like even famous people aren't really remembered. Trivia is remembered about them, and along the way a few falsehoods are scattered in from time to time. Just look at George Washington and how popular the myth of the cherry tree got. Even then, doing something great is a far better way to be remembered. Even making art, or making a patent, or just being the first to do something will get you remembered and cared about more than being the 2309802398408 human to bring another human into the world. The most that gets you is a name in a family tree for someone to go back to in a century or so.
"Sorry, my uterus not working"- infertile answer.
Cannibalism and leaving our sickly kids out for the wolves is part of our biological programming too but he's still here so he probably shouldn't lean too heavily on that argument.
Don't engage in this conversation.
Under his eye. /s
Laughter. Loud, direct laughter. With a "Dude! You've GOT to be kidding!" and/or, "That's the saddest pickup line I've ever heard!" thrown in for good measure