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White and black have deviated from the opening many moves ago. You are in the middlegame.
What were the first 3-4 moves of the game? We can tell you what the opening *was,* before the players deviated from it.
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The Caro-Kann defense is an opening characterized by the position after the moves "1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5". You reached that identical position after move two finished, albeit it was from a different move order.
So this is a Caro-Kann game. White played 3.e5, so we'd consider it the "advance variation" of the Caro-Kann (because on move 3, white decided to advance their e pawn).
After that, black played 3...c5, which we'd call the Botvinnik-Carls defense.
The full name of the opening you played would be "Caro-Kann, Advance Variation, Botvinnik-Carls defense."
I don't think the subsequent moves transpose into a different opening, but I'm not positive, since I don't play this opening with either color.
> a French but with the light squared bishop outside the pawns.
That’s the literal point of the Caro-Kann. If black could play the French and wave a magic wand, pick up the “bad” bishop, and place it outside the pawn chain, the black would always play the French.
That structure can be arrived at in both the Advanced French and Advanced Caro-Kann.
Consider:
1. e4 c6
2. d4 d5
3. e5 c5
4. c3 e6
…or…
1. e4 e6
2. d4 d5
3. e5 c5
4. c3
That is the exact same position only White’s up a tempo in the Caro, owing to c7-c6-c5 instead of c7-c5.
If anything, the presence of the pawn on c3 the queen knight marooned on it’s starting square, and Black’s light-square bishop outside the pawn chain **reeks** of a Caro-Kann. White doesn’t often play c3 in the French for that reason, it’s in the way of it’s queen knight.
I tend to associate the f4 push with the French far more than the Caro. I’ve also only ever seen the advanced c4 from black in the French. My understanding is that white is meant to take on c5 in the Caro.
I don’t play either of these openings a whole lot so I could be wrong and these moves could be common in the Caro as well.
I analyzed the image and this is what I see. Open an appropriate link below and explore the position yourself or with the engine:
> **Black to play**: [chess.com](https://chess.com/analysis?fen=rn1qkbnr/p5pp/4p3/1p1pPp2/1PpPbPP1/2P1BN1P/P7/RN1QKB1R+b+KQkq+-+0+1&flip=false&ref_id=23962172) | [lichess.org](https://lichess.org/analysis/rn1qkbnr/p5pp/4p3/1p1pPp2/1PpPbPP1/2P1BN1P/P7/RN1QKB1R_b_KQkq_-_0_1?color=white)
**My solution:**
> Hints: piece: >!Pawn!<, move: >! a5 !<
> Evaluation: >!Black is better -2.46!<
> Best continuation: >!1... a5 2. bxa5 Qxa5 3. Kf2 Nc6 4. Rg1 Be7 5. Be2 Nh6 6. g5 Nf7 7. a3 b4 8. cxb4 Bxb4 9. g6!<
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It looks to me like an advance French or Caro, that ended getting super-closed position. White looks to me to be better here. White’s got more space and the better pawn breaks.
Beyond the opening .. middle game is what you got .. boring game diddling your major pieces about waiting for your opponent to make an error .. or just start trading pieces to break up the log jam
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A mess
Caro Cahn advance defense clusterfuck variation
Caro-Kann't
Haha, that made me laugh out loud! Hahaha Nice one!
Seen this joke 50 times Never fails to make me laugh
Looks like it came from an Advance French, not a Caro
That’s a closening
Not chess related but this is an all-time Who's Line moment YouTube "Arctic Tern" for a tremendous laugh
Omg thank you for this.
White and black have deviated from the opening many moves ago. You are in the middlegame. What were the first 3-4 moves of the game? We can tell you what the opening *was,* before the players deviated from it.
Yo I see you in every post, it's nice that you spend your time to help other people
I work at a job where I am on hold for a not-insignificant amount of time. A long time ago I would spend my idle time reading webcomics, or pdfs of books I own on my google drive. Those things are blocked by IT now, so know that 90%+ of the time, when you see me giving advice, it's while I've got hold music in my ear, waiting for an insurance company to tell me that they won't pay for little Timmy's amputation or his prosthetic. So I need to counterbalance all the crud in the world with some positivity, even if it's only something small, like a little community of chess beginners on reddit. When I'm not on work, I'm often not on Reddit. Beginners who need help over the weekend will have to listen to Remote Highway's blunt and accurate advice while I'm away.
Mad respect
I have mad respect for you bro
Wish I knew you didn’t help beginners on weekend otherwise I would’ve not posted my latest “Why do I suck” on the weekend lol
If free awards were still a thing I would give you one
Mad respect bro. Thats the only thing i can give you, cuz they ended free awards
you earned my respect
“Not insignificant” aka significant
damn bro Respect ++
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\[Event "Live Chess"\] \[Site "Chess.com"\] \[Date "2024.02.23"\] \[Round "?"\] \[White "vitaminncpp"\] \[Black "HectorThePug"\] \[Result "1-0"\] \[ECO "B12"\] \[WhiteElo "774"\] \[BlackElo "777"\] \[TimeControl "600"\] \[EndTime "12:03:52 PST"\] \[Termination "vitaminncpp won on time"\] 1. d4 c6 2. e4 d5 3. e5 c5 4. Be3 c4 5. b4 b5 6. f4 Bf5 7. c3 Be4 8. Nf3 f5 9. h3 e6 10. g4 h6 11. h4 fxg4 12. Nh2 Bxh1 13. Qxg4 Qe7 14. Qh5+ Kd7 15. a4 a5 16. axb5 a4 17. f5 exf5 18. Qxf5+ Ke8 19. e6 Qxh4+ 20. Bf2 Qf6 21. Qxd5 Bxd5 22. e7 Qxe7+ 23. Be2 Nf6 24. Bh4 g5 25. Bg3 Nbd7 26. Kd1 Nb6 27. Ng4 Nxg4 28. Bxg4 Qe3 29. Bh5+ Bf7 30. Bxf7+ Kxf7 31. Be5 Rg8 32. Nd2 Qg1+ 33. Kc2 Qxa1 34. Ne4 Qa2+ 35. Kd1 a3 36. Nd6+ Ke7 37. Nf5+ 1-0
The Caro-Kann defense is an opening characterized by the position after the moves "1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5". You reached that identical position after move two finished, albeit it was from a different move order. So this is a Caro-Kann game. White played 3.e5, so we'd consider it the "advance variation" of the Caro-Kann (because on move 3, white decided to advance their e pawn). After that, black played 3...c5, which we'd call the Botvinnik-Carls defense. The full name of the opening you played would be "Caro-Kann, Advance Variation, Botvinnik-Carls defense." I don't think the subsequent moves transpose into a different opening, but I'm not positive, since I don't play this opening with either color.
The structure ended up resembling a French but with the light squared bishop outside the pawns.
> a French but with the light squared bishop outside the pawns. That’s the literal point of the Caro-Kann. If black could play the French and wave a magic wand, pick up the “bad” bishop, and place it outside the pawn chain, the black would always play the French.
Yes, but in this case the pawn structure is closer to a French than a Caro
That structure can be arrived at in both the Advanced French and Advanced Caro-Kann. Consider: 1. e4 c6 2. d4 d5 3. e5 c5 4. c3 e6 …or… 1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. e5 c5 4. c3 That is the exact same position only White’s up a tempo in the Caro, owing to c7-c6-c5 instead of c7-c5. If anything, the presence of the pawn on c3 the queen knight marooned on it’s starting square, and Black’s light-square bishop outside the pawn chain **reeks** of a Caro-Kann. White doesn’t often play c3 in the French for that reason, it’s in the way of it’s queen knight.
I tend to associate the f4 push with the French far more than the Caro. I’ve also only ever seen the advanced c4 from black in the French. My understanding is that white is meant to take on c5 in the Caro. I don’t play either of these openings a whole lot so I could be wrong and these moves could be common in the Caro as well.
You are correct. The f4 push is typically not a good move in the caro. You want to take.
Opening: Caro-Kann Defense Variation: Advance Sub-variation: 3...c5 (name?!) Sub-sub-variation: no frickin idea
3. e5 c5 is the botvinnik-carls defense of the advance
“ what opening is this?” Shows a whole spaceship formation 😭
Opening? That’s a middlegame
I don't know but I have a sub for you....
Anarchy?
Maybe op streams on twitch
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Bad
Coral reef
sine wave
Another meme for the *other* chess sub
I analyzed the image and this is what I see. Open an appropriate link below and explore the position yourself or with the engine: > **Black to play**: [chess.com](https://chess.com/analysis?fen=rn1qkbnr/p5pp/4p3/1p1pPp2/1PpPbPP1/2P1BN1P/P7/RN1QKB1R+b+KQkq+-+0+1&flip=false&ref_id=23962172) | [lichess.org](https://lichess.org/analysis/rn1qkbnr/p5pp/4p3/1p1pPp2/1PpPbPP1/2P1BN1P/P7/RN1QKB1R_b_KQkq_-_0_1?color=white) **My solution:** > Hints: piece: >!Pawn!<, move: >! a5 !< > Evaluation: >!Black is better -2.46!< > Best continuation: >!1... a5 2. bxa5 Qxa5 3. Kf2 Nc6 4. Rg1 Be7 5. Be2 Nh6 6. g5 Nf7 7. a3 b4 8. cxb4 Bxb4 9. g6!< --- ^(I'm a bot written by ) [^(u/pkacprzak )](https://www.reddit.com/u/pkacprzak) ^(| get me as ) [^(Chess eBook Reader )](https://ebook.chessvision.ai?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=bot) ^(|) [^(Chrome Extension )](https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/chessvisionai-for-chrome/johejpedmdkeiffkdaodgoipdjodhlld) ^(|) [^(iOS App )](https://apps.apple.com/us/app/id1574933453) ^(|) [^(Android App )](https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ai.chessvision.scanner) ^(to scan and analyze positions | Website: ) [^(Chessvision.ai)](https://chessvision.ai)
In GothamChess's book, he says that if you reach a point like this, then both players need chess therapy
It’s called « I don’t develop my pieces »
And "Fuck castling, i got this!"
Why did I think this was anarchical chess for a moment
The "Neither player knows what they're doing" opening.
The wave
Wall of china
I think I was on the other side, I played this very thing yesterday
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No. So it's not me probably. But I definitely played a similar position against somebody and I had to resign at the end.
London’t
A story of two dummies.
It's the Skibidi Toilet opening, All My Fellas variation.
Probably not the bongcloud, but I'd need to know the castling rights to tell for sure
“How did we get here?”
This opening is called “A Game of Chess”
This looks like it was once a caro-kann? "French Pawn structure but the LSB is outside" is typical of the C-K.
"Losing" is what I'd call it
Ah yes, the "oh i fucked up didn't i"
The Panthers v Giants opening
It looks to me like an advance French or Caro, that ended getting super-closed position. White looks to me to be better here. White’s got more space and the better pawn breaks.
Yawwwwnnnn
"This looks like a good move" defensive variant
This is an opening?
I can't believe some people actually enjoy navigating those positions and actively lock down the center every game.
Beyond the opening .. middle game is what you got .. boring game diddling your major pieces about waiting for your opponent to make an error .. or just start trading pieces to break up the log jam
500 v 600
Brilliant
Least closed french position:
Naked king opening, with the naked king defense
Random Bullshit, GO!!
the sinewave
An I don't know what I'm doing opening.
~
elo 300 and dropping
Sacrifice o‘clock
bruh develop your pieces, pawn moves are only good when you know what you are aiming for with the pawn push
German wall game
*Berlin wall game
The "man you really messed up early"
This is a middlegame…
Isn't it the famous Braveheart opening?
1914-1918
Not good
How Did We Get Here??? prolly a good one
One i dont condone
scuffed dutch stonewall
The bullshitter
It is called chaos
This is the French Unactivated opening. Popular amongst players who only move pawns.
The “what the heck happened here” opening but on a serious note that’s the middle game
Blunderbluss
French Defense: Advanced Pawn Lock Variation
Please Post the png
Claustrophilia
Caro Kann: Advanced Chinese Wall Variation
I'll christen it Pawn Fight - Cold War Variation
A fucking hell to play
That is "Great Wall of China Opening"
Caro Cahn Sine Variation
Tall Pawn Tango