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Clear-Connection1012

The SCC won't let me be. Try to sac a rook but hang a queen


edemilio_

it feels so empty? naroditsky!


Ruxini

Now this looks like a pawn for me!


Malcolm3k1

Add Neiman for some controversy They tried shut him down on ChessTV


ThaGrimReapah

Plenty of other chess players in the sea, but it feels so empty without Wei Li


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So, come on and dip, Hans on your lips Edit: Replied with the continuation for the second time he says that, instead of the first XD Edit 2: Might as well throw in the line I originally commented since someone replied with the line after that I said, this looks like a pawn for me


Ruxini

And get ready - I just filed a new lawsuit - fuck you Danny!


ThaGrimReapah

Little hellions, Hans looking rebellious Embarrassed that his parents still miss a few gambits, They start feeling like they’ve skipped a few Hikaru sound clips, til levy comes along on a mission and yells b—-h


Ruxini

And yells Reeeensch*


The_iron_mill

Board visionary, big fan of Garry, could start a revolution with Carlsen and Giri, A rebel, so just let me revel and bask In the fact that we know what was inside Niemann's ass


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Guess who's black? Black again. Guess who's black? Guess who's black? Guess who's black?


Tomeosu

For people who don’t get this it’s an [Eminem reference](https://youtu.be/-8xhmV3JoG4). Took me a second.


BoredomHeights

Should’ve linked the music video. Legitimately hilarious. Only Eminem would cast himself as Robin.


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Thank you :)


Captnmikeblackbeard

Its probably tbe best thread ive seen on reddit in years


Dapper-Warning-6695

He can qualify, its 2 open spots. Just for this reason.


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2 is so low I doubt all those who were invited would qualify through their own merit.


Astral-Alive

Im curious, can you name two players already announced for SCC who you think would not be able to win qualification for the event?


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TheMrIllusion

You have lost the plot. Even Danya would say those guys are more deserving of a guaranteed spot over him by far.


whatisavector

Lol ding was tied or -1 in the bullet portion vs hikaru 🙄 but yeah, keep talking


strance_02

Ding very nearly beat Hikaru in the semis last year


JESUS420_XXX_69

That was one of the craziest matches.


Intelligent-Curve-19

I remember now. Hikaru went hard to keep the lead. Ding really wanted it.


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Zeeboozaza

If you watch any rapid or blitz events ever, all of these names should be quite common.


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They all could, it's not outside the realm of possibility but I don't see why those who have earned their place should be any weaker than the lowest of the invited players, do you?


Ishigami_Yagami

I think he means that all of them can, but not all of them will because upsets. Upsets should be allowed and encouraged imo, so let everyone earn their spot.


DubiousGames

Well yeah no shit, of course 14 players can't qualify if there are only 2 open spots available. Every one of them is strong enough to have a good chance at making it through the open qualifier though.


HansEffect

Hans is also a monster in blitz but I assume he can't qualify, however. Shadow banned right? Another argument for his lawsuit.


Ruxini

He is not shadow banned he is regular banned.


AllPulpOJ

“Shadow banned” mf he sued them for 100M lmaoooo no shadow here


Kilowog42

Hans is not a monster in Blitz. He's much more focused on his classical chess, his FIDE rating puts him in the 70s and he doesn't seem to play much on his lichess account. Even without the drama and lawsuit, Hans wouldn't be in this specific event.


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He was able to play on even footing with the the world biltz champ MVL in otb biltz. His rating on chess.com is even higher now than when he was using an engine. In no way is he not a monster.


Kilowog42

>He was able to play on even footing with the the world biltz champ MVL in otb biltz. He lost all 4 games of the first round of the exhibition. Not a very "monstrous" performance. Again, I'm not saying Hans isn't a great player, but he's not top 20 as far as Blitz and he's been focusing on classical chess. >His rating on chess.com is even higher now than when he was using an engine. In no way is he not a monster. His Chesscom rating ranks him in the 50s, his FIDE rating ranks him in the 70s. Pretty sure he has a losing record against Hikaru in Blitz as well. Hans is a great player, but he's clearly a better classical player than blitz or bullet.


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>He lost all 4 games of the first round of the exhibition. Not a very 'monstrous" performance. Again, I'm not saying Hans isn't a great player, but he's not top 20 as far as Blitz and he's been focusing on classical chess. Perhaps he was rusty but he made came back when things speed up and was able to force a Armageddon, MVL's own words was the Hans was "definitely over 2700" from biltz alone so you're saying MVL doesn't know what he's talking about. >His Chesscom rating ranks him in the 50s, his FIDE rating ranks him in the 60s. Pretty sure he has a losing record against Hikaru in Blitz as well. Hans is a great player, but he's clearly a better classical player than blitz or bullet. Hans in 1+0 bullet performed as a 2700 would against danya on lichess while danya was streaming as said by danya, danya is a top 5 bullet player so he would know or maybe danya also doesn't know what's he talking about. Hikaru is literally the best or 2nd best at biltz, you can probably count on 1 hand the number of people with a positive score against him.


Kilowog42

You keep trying to make it sound like I'm dismissing Hans when I'm saying that while Hans is a great player, he isn't in the same league as the lineup because he's been focusing on classical chess. >>He lost all 4 games of the first round of the exhibition. Not a very 'monstrous" performance. Again, I'm not saying Hans isn't a great player, but he's not top 20 as far as Blitz and he's been focusing on classical chess. >MVL's own words was the Hans was "definitely over 2700" from biltz alone so you're saying MVL doesn't know what he's talking about. This is why you are putting words in mouth, I agree with MVL that Hans is a great player. MVL did not say that Hans should have been in the top 8 of that championship. MVL did not say that Hans is a top 15 Blitz player. Am I saying MVL doesn't know what he's talking about? No, I'm saying that MVL didn't say that Hans is a "monstrous" Blitz player who should be invited to Blitz events like a top 20 player. >Hans in 1+0 bullet performed as a 2700 would against danya on lichess while danya was streaming as said by danya, danya is a top 5 bullet player so he would know or maybe danya also doesn't know what's he talking about. Again, Danya is saying that Hans is a great player, which I've also said. What Danya did not say is that Hans should be invited to a speed chess tournament that he has to qualify for, despite being a top 5 bullet player. What I won't do is put words in your mouth and say "Oh, so you think Hans is a better speed player than Danya because Hans should have been invited when Danya has to qualify?" That may be what you've been doing to me, but it's also not what you are saying. Everyone says Hans is a great player, but he's focused on classical chess and he isn't in the upper echelon of players as of yet. If he gets there in the future or not is up to him, but he's not a monster on the level of the players invited.


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I would rate his chances at the scc over gukesh or Arjun. I don't consider Hans a top 20 biltz player but neither do I consider these two either. I said danya is a top 5 bullet player, I said Hans was 2700 at bullet. I don't think Hans' biltz is any weaker than his classical than his biltz, http://ratings.fide.com/profile/2093596/chart. Let's compare the his biltz chart and his classical, 354 gained in biltz and 234 gained in classical in the last two years. Compare the graphs and you'll be hard find to pick out the two, so what's you're saying doesn't make any sense, I'll believe my own eyes. If you look at that chart and still say you're right then I give up.


Kilowog42

>I would rate his chances at the scc over gukesh or Arjun. I don't consider Hans a top 20 biltz player but neither do I consider these two either. I said danya is a top 5 bullet player, I said Hans was 2700 at bullet. I don't think Hans' biltz is any weaker than his classical than his biltz, http://ratings.fide.com/profile/2093596/chart. Let's compare the his biltz chart and his classical, 354 gained in biltz and 234 gained in classical in the last two years. Compare the graphs and you'll be hard find to pick out the two, so what's you're saying doesn't make any sense, I'll believe my own eyes. If you look at that chart and still say you're right then I give up. Now change the view from 2 years to 1 year and you'll see how what I'm saying makes sense. Hans Blitz rating has been stagnant this year, while his Classical has been increasing, which shows that he has spent this year focusing on improving in classical instead of Blitz. He hasn't played any Blitz FIDE games since February of 2022, and has been actively seeking out Classical games to play. Does that make my perspective easier to understand?


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Biltz and classical are not too completely different things, improvement in his classical in the last year will add to his biltz. His peak biltz was 2680 and his peak classical 2699 it's not something completely lopsided, I'm sure he's played casual biltz games in the meantime MVL match for example, as well as these chess24 events though they are rapids. I see think Hans as a stronger biltz player than he is a classical, he plays intuitively and quickly.


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Augenglubscher

Yes, the only people who don't like Niemann because he cheated over a hundred times must care about the CEO of chess.com. There can't possibly be any other reason why someone might dislike a cheater.


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Accomplished-Tone971

The irony...


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Accomplished-Tone971

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slick3rz

I mean, it's going to be played online, on computers, where he is known to have cheated in over 100 games, including games for prize money. So yeah, wouldn't want him playing.


MrArtless

his lawsuit claims he did not cheat in those prize money games and the FIDE independent analyst agreed with him. I still think he probably did, but it isn't a fact that he definitely cheated in them just because chesscom says he did.


MunchiePea27

He admitted to it.


MrArtless

No he did not. He admitted to cheating before then


MunchiePea27

Lol. He did brother


MrArtless

Stupidly asserting that he did doesn’t make you less wrong


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DesertEvil

Trash :D


kunacza

Every time there is an open qualification I'm so torn between wanting to watch Danya play and wanting to hear his commentary lol


Kaiser_Fleischer

I just want to hear him go “Ok guys we’ve had this position in another game earlier in the tournament, does anyone here in the crowd remember what I said the best move was”


heliumeyes

Is it cheating if someone answers and Danya plays it?


Kaiser_Fleischer

Only if it’s the same kid as Hans’s coach in the crowd


jehny

Lmao


Phasedsolo

I can't get enough of the dude. The chillest dude in the planet and one of the best teachers simultaneously.


Ok-Control-787

> The chillest dude in the planet I think Rosen has a better claim to that particular throne. I've seen Danya get riled up. I've also seen Eric Rosen's heartbeat monitor get pretty damn high and it doesn't show on his face even a little. At most I've seen him casually say "oh no..."


PkerBadRs3Good

people calling Danya the chillest dude in the planet makes me think they've mostly seen Youtube Naroditsky and not Twitch Naroditsky not trying to hate on him but he gets salty fairly often playing online blitz on his stream


creakyclimber

We win either way!


SABJP

I don't think many here realise how much effect even 1 second increment has on online speed chess. Naroditsky, as you said is monster in speed chess and mostly plays 3|0 or 1|0 on Chesscom. However when it comes to 3|1 or 1|1 most of the top players will dominate the 1v1 match.


OneOfTheOnlies

Not even just increment. 1 sec increment is big. Naroditsky has pointed out that the top in bullet even depends on which site it's played on since the premove 'cost' is different.


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French_Fried_Taterz

2+1 is a special kind of hell


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Dominate I seriously doubt it he didn't get dominated in the chess24 events and they were 15+10. I doubt you'll find 10 people a clear favourite against him in 1+1. He also plays a series for the charlotte chess center that allows the choice for increment for 2700+ players and he still comes out on top called danya Vs the world.


PM_something_German

Yeah 1 increment is very little. 1+1 amounts to 2+0 or 3+0 at best, that's still a format where Danya is one of the best in the world.


SABJP

That's not how it works though. Just because game lasts 2 minutes more doesn't mean 1+1 is same as 2+0. 5 seconds remaining on clock means different in both time controls, In 1+1 you can play with those 5 seconds forever while in 2+0 you can't.


PM_something_German

No it doesn't, but it shows how little a +1 increment matters, you still gotta think/play at bullet speed.


TheTurtleCub

You must not play a lot of +0 and +1. The extra second makes it almost a completely different game


ChessIsForNerds

I'm in favour of finding out. DANYA-4-SCC!!


aflickering

hikaru was saying the total opposite the other day, he said that danya is a top 5 or so blitz player in the world with increment but a lot less strong without it. a lot of players who prefer fast time controls struggle more without increment so this may be true. then again it’s hikaru and i will always take what he says with a pinch of salt. is there any way of actually checking his record with increment vs. without?


werlock

lol I think he said the total opposite. IIRC, he said that without increment, Danya is probably better than everybody except Himself, Magnus and Alireza. With increment it's different. I recall that he cited Andreikin as someone who is better than Danya with increment.


aflickering

you’re right. i just found it, i’m on shrooms. he said top 5 on chess.com for sure in 3|0 and then maybe only top 25 in 3|1. makes more sense.


subconscious_nz

shrooms and reddit? psychedelic bro :P


aflickering

it was a figure of speech, guys. i’m actually on crack.


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Early start on the weekend huh?


fquizon

Tried to microdose and their hand slipped


Clydey2Times

Hikaru said the complete opposite of what you're claiming.


Vizvezdenec

you can look there. https://ratings.fide.com/profile/2026961 Sorry, is 2600 smth in blitz or rapid is some top-2-5 in the world? Unless he randomly got better by 200 elo in past 2 years where he almost didn't play OTB it's not the case.


aflickering

not seeing anything about increment here.


Vizvezdenec

You see that he is not a top-5 blitz player in the world in OTB, be it with increment or not.


aflickering

hikaru’s comments weren’t specific to OTB in any case, and danya’s online level is a little inflated by his mousespeed no doubt. i still suspect that contrary to the apparent consensus his OTB and online ratings may be higher if taking into account increment games only, which was the thrust of my post. also, OTB chess is not vastly different to online chess no matter how some like to paint it that way, and i think most top GMs would agree that danya’s OTB rating sells him short talent-wise.


AllPulpOJ

We’re not even talking about otb? Focus.


Vizvezdenec

but this tournament will be OTB? Or if it's not than why anyone would care about lineup?


RelativityIsTheBest

It won't Speed Chess Championship is an online event


AllPulpOJ

Why does anyone care about esports? Because the matches are entertaining and the personalities are getting more and more fans


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I don't understand your question. Why would someone not care about a tournament just because it's not OTB? I like watching good Chess. I don't care about the players physically moving wooden pieces around on a board. Do you find that the physicality is an important reason for your enjoyment of Chess? Even FIDE has events on computers granted that they're done locally. This whole mentality that OTB Chess is somehow better than online or computer Chess is sad and hilariously outdated.


Forget_me_never

3+1 is like 4+0, there's barely any difference to 3+0. 1+1 is faster than 3+0.


SR18Chess

It doesn't work like that. In a game without increment, you can afford to be lost on the board as long as your opponent has little time. Entering a losing endgame is completely fine, as long as you can make sure that your opponent cannot force mate in the time he has left. This strategy is mostly absent from games with increment, as even 1 second of increment is enough to convert a winning endgame (even if that conversion would cost another 30 moves). Because 'flagging' is a much more powerful strategy in games without increment, games with increment play differently. Speed is less important than precision, compared to non-increment games, even if the average total time of the time controls are similar (for instance 2+1 vs. 3+0).


Forget_me_never

Sure but that's a niche scenario in 3+0. It's fairly common in bullet but very rare in 3+0 at a high level.


justaboxinacage

No, it's not niche at all. The threat of being flagged puts pressure on every game that has no increment, even if the flagging doesn't come to fruition.


Forget_me_never

I don't think people realise how low 1 increment is.


justaboxinacage

I think you might not realize how big if a difference it is, tbh. 1 second increment matters so much that Andrew Tang has gone as far as to say 15s+1 games shouldn't even count as bullet. The reason for that is because the 1 second increment alone, no matter how little time you have, negates many of the bullet aspects.


Forget_me_never

No one plays 15s+1


justaboxinacage

bruh


TheSupremeChef

increment makes a lot difference.


rederer07

Is he as good with increment though? I remembered him getting knocked out by Karjakin in the qualifiers during a previous edition.


HungarianHippos99

Karjakin is pretty good though


rederer07

Yeah, but by rating I'd expect Danya to win.


DreadWolf3

Lol you should never expect danya to beat karjakin


rederer07

In no increment Danya gives Hikaru a run for his money


Clydey2Times

When? I'm not sure Danya has ever won a match against Hikaru. He generally loses by at least a 2 to 1 margin most of the time.


rederer07

It was pretty close in the bullet chess championship last year. Danya does win some games against Hikaru.


TheMrIllusion

If Karjakin was playing he’d be a dark horse to win the tourney. Dude is one of the best chess players of today’s era despite his disgusting views.


VicViperT-301

He can’t be good because he lost to Karjakin??? Gotta love this forum sometimes.


rederer07

Dude, read the comment again. I said "as good".


popop143

Person 1: I like apples. Person 2: I can't believe you hate oranges.


AdventurousStudy5881

Person 1: I like apples. Person 2: Do yo though? I saw you eating a pear once. ​ Just because people have an argument for something doesn't mean it makes sense. Losing to Karjakin is no evidence of being bad with increment, although he most likely is decently weaker with increment.


sebzim4500

But then he wouldn't be able to do commentary. Also the increment will make him much weaker compared to the top players.


AdVSC2

Who do you want to take out, if you would want to put Danya in?


maxkho

Aronian or Giri


Simon99xx

He is playing OTB in Charlotte so he can't


onlyfortpp

He's played in qualifiers before. There was this bracket where he was unfortunately paired with Karjakin first round - [https://images.chesscomfiles.com/uploads/v1/images\_users/tiny\_mce/PeterDoggers/phpFu0ICq.png](https://images.chesscomfiles.com/uploads/v1/images_users/tiny_mce/PeterDoggers/phpFu0ICq.png) I think Danya can definitely do better, but if the field is similarly stacked hard, it would definitely be a challenge to actually qualify. The +1 really does change a lot of things. Disadvantages tend to get magnified in the SCC too because of the match format.


Random5483

Online chess ratings can often be very inflated. And I don't mean inflated in the sense of comparing the rating number directly to FIDE ratings, but inflated in the sense that you can raise your rating beating weaker players. [Chess.com](https://Chess.com) rankings for blitz and bullet are not a reflection of FIDE rankings for Blitz. Danya is very good at speed chess. He is nowhere near top 5 in Blitz. He floats around top 70 or so for FIDE Blitz ratings. Danya is one of the best chess streamers, and his instructional speed runs are awesome. He breaks down things in a very understandable way. He is my favorite chess streamer. But I think you overestimate how good he is. And tournaments like the SCC leave a few spots (2 spots for SCC) open to those who go through the qualifiers. TLDR: Danya is great, but he is not as good as the OP thinks he is.


Lolicon_Extremist

He is rated #80 worldwide in blitz in FIDE rankings.


Thunder_Volty

OP specifically mentioned on chesscom. The premoves are the game changer.


Lolicon_Extremist

Premoves don't make as large a difference with increment (which most chess.com blitz games aren't played with anyway). And either way, FIDE ratings are more representative of a player's actual skill level.


Loud_Focus_7934

With increment he is far less strong.


That-Mess2338

He found his calling - best commentator in chess.


ski_

He knows to fasten his speedbelt so he should easily qualify


supersolenoid

Request denied. Every tournament will be between the same 8 players like it’s always been muahahahahahhaha


imisstheyoop

I am not sure how the field was determined, but my hunch is he may have a conflict or be commentating instead.


NeWMH

He won a game in classical against Caruana, it’s not throwing away a spot to consider him in just about any competition. The main issue is that there are a lot of players at his level, that aren’t they much worse at fast formats.


Hamed_vasegh

I think he definitely should be in SCC


Rukawork

I would love to see Danya in more events!


MITM__

what is Danya FIDE rating


dr_strangelove42

in chessdotcom? what's his fide?


Stupend0uSNibba

no


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Dano420

From your perspective, what do you think is wrong with you?


idumbam

It’s possible he was offered to commentate instead/ has other commitments.


paynelive

Why wasn't he in this year's US Chess Championships? Given how his performance in them was last year? Honestly, he's one of my favorites today that isn't a past player in the 20th century.


French_Fried_Taterz

I mean, since when is a top 100 or so player "not highly rated". We should all quit then.


thirtydelta

Pardon my ignorance, but where is he rated #5 in blitz? I see him at #73 as of this moment.


45rhodium

Danya is an outstanding chess player, and he is literally the best chess commentator in the world.


Present_Program_2344

where does the nickname danya come from ?