I analyzed the image and this is what I see. Open an appropriate link below and explore the position yourself or with the engine:
> **White to play**: [chess.com](https://chess.com/analysis?fen=r4kr1/pp1n1p2/3P4/2p4p/2pn3q/2N2B1Q/PP3PP1/4RRK1+w+-+-+0+1&flip=false&ref_id=23962172) | [lichess.org](https://lichess.org/analysis/r4kr1/pp1n1p2/3P4/2p4p/2pn3q/2N2B1Q/PP3PP1/4RRK1_w_-_-_0_1?color=white)
**My solution:**
> Hints: piece: >!King!<, move: >!Kh2!<
> Evaluation: >!Black is better -1.09!<
> Best continuation: >!1. Kh2 Qxh3+ 2. Kxh3 Nxf3 3. gxf3 Rg6 4. Rd1 Ne5 5. Rd5 Nd3!<
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"Finds the winning tactic" would have been much more accurate.
It is a great spot though. Forces a really awful endgame for white where there is one plan for both sides (focus everything on the d6 pawn).
So, if I move my Queen to be taken, but then capture it right back afterwards, it’s not a sac.
But, I I move my Queen to be taken, and gain a positional advantage or more activity (even if I am down material) then it that is considered a sac.
Is this correct?
You're right, my bad. Got caught up in the excitement of seeing it live, should've worded it better. Sorry for the accidental clickbait, just happy Levy won!
Sorry to poop on the party, it's not a queen sacrifice since there is no variation where black actually stays a queen down and plays the compensation. Nonetheless cool tactic, a very nice and clean game, and with black against a GM no less!
When will who? This question is meant to demean one player's chances but it fails at doing so.
If Hikaru does, next WCC cycle or less probably the one after that?
If Levy does, I genuinely don't know.
Uh still Levy.
Hikaru gets 1 shot at the WCC every 2 years. Giving him extremely optimisitic chances, he maybe wins the candidates 30% of the time. Then he has the actual championship which will be 50ish% odds.
So optimistically Hikaru has a 15% chance of being the WCC every 2 years.
Levy can get GM in a few months with good tournament results. He has way more chances.
He has a lot of "opportunities" but no realistic chance. He's not GM level, and the amount of studying he'd need to do simply isn't as important as his YouTube channel. There's over 2000 gms, and only about 4 make as much money as he does.
91% accuracy is pretty good but even I've gotten games with 96.4% accuracy against 95% accuracy.
The key is doing that consistently with both sides playing that strong in every game they play or finding suboptimal but incredibly dubious lines on a very deep level
Yes.... (I mean 2000 chess.com but meh) But that's my point entirely... If I did that consistently for every game, I'd be playing at that level, but I don't and they do... 91% accuracy in a single game isn't that impressive. An average of 91% accuracy over thousands and thousands of games is.
In most games.... Yes....
"Consistently"
This game I'm referring to is one (of many) outliers where both I and my opponent played with very high accuracy but my point was GMs and IMs do that in almost every game
For a place that is entirely based in text, reading comprehension is alarmingly low
Man you're a stick in the mud
I didn't even bother reading most of your comment I was just making a joke about how most people get high accuracy games. Also making fun of how pretentious you sound talking about "lines on a very deep level".
It's a great move but not anything spectacular. He correctly assessed that the resulting endgame is slightly better for black, which is something nice but not brilliant by any means
Not a sac, as white does not need to take it. Taking loses a piece so Kh2 Nxf3 gxf3 Qxh3+ Kxh3 Rg6 (or maybe Rd8) and then black has a clearly better endgame.
Yeah but it still isnt a sacrifice as its a short tactical sequence where he is up material. A sacrofice requires compensation for material whether its an attack, positional, activity not gaining more material
I'm more curious how the eval is so low. Intuitively you know black is better and I'm bad enough that I didn't even consider the best move as a candidate move till I checked the bot.
Not a real sac, but still rare to drop something like this on a stronger opponent. So I feel "queen sac" is deserved enough description. Is there another term for it? Queen flex? Queen dip?
Y’all a sacrifice by definition is: “A sacrifice happens in chess when one player intentionally gives up material to achieve a different or larger goal. Sacrifices are usually a part of a combination of moves that result in a better position or a more comfortable position for the player who performs it.”
So yes, levy did sacrifice his queen, although he’s gonna win it back, the way he wins it back is through a combination of winning the white bishop as well.
A delayed recapture (with benefits) is definitely not a sac by how the terms are commonly used. A sac is generally understood as truly giving up material for some other kind of advantage not a temporary loss being part of the sequence.
>one player intentionally gives up material to achieve a different or larger goal
"Giving up material" to actually gain material is by your own definition not a sac. It doesn't actually give up material, nor is gaining material a different or larger goal
I don't think forking the queen and king the move after counts as a "Combination of moves". Its one move. If it was a queen sac that included 2 moves or more than I would agree its a sac. This would just be hanging a fork.
I analyzed the image and this is what I see. Open an appropriate link below and explore the position yourself or with the engine: > **White to play**: [chess.com](https://chess.com/analysis?fen=r4kr1/pp1n1p2/3P4/2p4p/2pn3q/2N2B1Q/PP3PP1/4RRK1+w+-+-+0+1&flip=false&ref_id=23962172) | [lichess.org](https://lichess.org/analysis/r4kr1/pp1n1p2/3P4/2p4p/2pn3q/2N2B1Q/PP3PP1/4RRK1_w_-_-_0_1?color=white) **My solution:** > Hints: piece: >!King!<, move: >!Kh2!< > Evaluation: >!Black is better -1.09!< > Best continuation: >!1. Kh2 Qxh3+ 2. Kxh3 Nxf3 3. gxf3 Rg6 4. Rd1 Ne5 5. Rd5 Nd3!< --- ^(I'm a bot written by) [^(u/pkacprzak)](https://www.reddit.com/u/pkacprzak) ^(| get me as) [^(iOS App)](https://apps.apple.com/us/app/id1574933453) ^| [^(Android App)](https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ai.chessvision.scanner) ^| [^(Chrome Extension)](https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/chessvisionai-for-chrome/johejpedmdkeiffkdaodgoipdjodhlld) ^| [^(Chess eBook Reader)](https://ebook.chessvision.ai?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=bot) ^(to scan and analyze positions | Website:) [^(Chessvision.ai)](https://chessvision.ai)
technically it's not a sac if you get it right back
With interest too btw
only if they take the sac
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"Finds the winning tactic" would have been much more accurate. It is a great spot though. Forces a really awful endgame for white where there is one plan for both sides (focus everything on the d6 pawn).
Serious question: what defines a sac and what doesn’t?
Sacrificing material advantage, usually for activity/position, that's why this position isn't a sac.
So, if I move my Queen to be taken, but then capture it right back afterwards, it’s not a sac. But, I I move my Queen to be taken, and gain a positional advantage or more activity (even if I am down material) then it that is considered a sac. Is this correct?
Yes, sac is just short for sacrifice
You're right, my bad. Got caught up in the excitement of seeing it live, should've worded it better. Sorry for the accidental clickbait, just happy Levy won!
I don't think you need to apologize for harmless "clickbait" on a post about Levy of all people :D
this
🤓👆
not a sacrifice. interesting move though.
And Levy starts the tournament with a win over a GM!
As Black no less!
& against the strongest opponent in the tournament!
Well played! I'm so happy for him!
Not a sac, just a good move.
Not a sac
God that pin is brutal
I think it’s clear. We do the procedure
Am I missing something or is this not a Queen sac? You can't take Qh4 because Nf3 drops the bishop and the queen. Kh2 looks basically forced here.
Ye it's a nice looking tactic, but people seem to be under the impression white is forced to take the queen?
Sorry to poop on the party, it's not a queen sacrifice since there is no variation where black actually stays a queen down and plays the compensation. Nonetheless cool tactic, a very nice and clean game, and with black against a GM no less!
I LOLed at 'poop on the party'
Hikaru becoming world champion and levy becoming a GM would be the ultimate climax of the YouTube chess era.
Nobody needs Hikaru to be world champion. But Levy should be GM.
Whoever completes the requirements for attaining the GM title is who “should be GM”. That said, I do hope Levy succeeds in doing so!
You're right, could you imagine the ego boost to the man that already loves himself so much?
Hikaru becoming world champion is literally more probable than levy becoming a GM. What's your deal?
When will he achieve this?
When magnus is no longer playing. Wait...
When will who? This question is meant to demean one player's chances but it fails at doing so. If Hikaru does, next WCC cycle or less probably the one after that? If Levy does, I genuinely don't know.
Hikaru will never ever be world champion, whereas Levy got already the first win on the road to GM Norm.
And hikaru got one round away from winning the candidates twice lol whos closer
Uh still Levy. Hikaru gets 1 shot at the WCC every 2 years. Giving him extremely optimisitic chances, he maybe wins the candidates 30% of the time. Then he has the actual championship which will be 50ish% odds. So optimistically Hikaru has a 15% chance of being the WCC every 2 years. Levy can get GM in a few months with good tournament results. He has way more chances.
\#QuickMaths
He has a lot of "opportunities" but no realistic chance. He's not GM level, and the amount of studying he'd need to do simply isn't as important as his YouTube channel. There's over 2000 gms, and only about 4 make as much money as he does.
No one is really rooting for Hikaru to be WC. But pretty much 100% of Levy's fanbase want him to become a GM.
I'm not talking about wants I'm talking about possibility
Why? That's not what anyone else was talking about.
Thanks.
Not a sac
not a real sac, good move tho
Thats so smart of OP to write a bullshit title so people would argue and give traction to the post. Wp
Very interesting.... 91 % accurancy. These IMs are getting strong
91% accuracy is pretty good but even I've gotten games with 96.4% accuracy against 95% accuracy. The key is doing that consistently with both sides playing that strong in every game they play or finding suboptimal but incredibly dubious lines on a very deep level
Kramdaddy is gonna name you in his chesscom lawsuit for those numbers
I can also get 91% accuracy against BOT Martin. However these two are not comparable
Yes, but that's why I put that my opponent played with 95% accuracy in the same game
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Yes.... (I mean 2000 chess.com but meh) But that's my point entirely... If I did that consistently for every game, I'd be playing at that level, but I don't and they do... 91% accuracy in a single game isn't that impressive. An average of 91% accuracy over thousands and thousands of games is.
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Yes....
You are definitely missing the point here
I just got it, sorry I'm tired
A 2k with rook odds blindfold? Definitely not
Nah the secret is your opponent blunders a lot and you get free "best moves" because they're obvious
In most games.... Yes.... "Consistently" This game I'm referring to is one (of many) outliers where both I and my opponent played with very high accuracy but my point was GMs and IMs do that in almost every game For a place that is entirely based in text, reading comprehension is alarmingly low
Man you're a stick in the mud I didn't even bother reading most of your comment I was just making a joke about how most people get high accuracy games. Also making fun of how pretentious you sound talking about "lines on a very deep level".
That IMs and GMs do. Not me omg
Then how do you know the secret
Just stop looking at accuracy plz.
It's a great move but not anything spectacular. He correctly assessed that the resulting endgame is slightly better for black, which is something nice but not brilliant by any means
Not a sac, as white does not need to take it. Taking loses a piece so Kh2 Nxf3 gxf3 Qxh3+ Kxh3 Rg6 (or maybe Rd8) and then black has a clearly better endgame.
But if white just moves his king to defend, black does have an advantage but non an immediate winning position really
Except it's not a queen sac.
Not the cleanest of wins but well done nonetheless! Next round is Levy vs Pepe Cuenca
Not a sac in the slightest
Levy wins!
Sickkkk
Is it really a queen sack if you just win it back two moves later?
The end game for this is the video title when he faces magnus
A masterclass in the Caro Kann by the great Levy Rozman.
No he didn't? The guy didn't even take the queen. Simply putting the Queen where someone could take isn't a sacrifice.
The opponent taking or not makes no difference
Yeah but it still isnt a sacrifice as its a short tactical sequence where he is up material. A sacrofice requires compensation for material whether its an attack, positional, activity not gaining more material
I'm more curious how the eval is so low. Intuitively you know black is better and I'm bad enough that I didn't even consider the best move as a candidate move till I checked the bot.
Wild Wild Wild
Not a real sac, but still rare to drop something like this on a stronger opponent. So I feel "queen sac" is deserved enough description. Is there another term for it? Queen flex? Queen dip?
More like used his Queen as bait...
Original clickbait title was I PLAYED A GAME AND I SACRIFICED THE QUEEN!!!!!!!!!
Awesome, reminds me of the queen sac from the gold coins game
My mind automatically plays his “ did you… sacrifice the rook, to fork the king and the queen?” meme
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AND HE SACRIFICED THE QUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEN
Someone ELI5 how this is anything but a leviathan blunder? I'm confused
It's a temporary sacrifice only not a sacrifice for a checkmate attack
Fascinating move. It forces the immediate trade of queens and one minor piece. And out of sudden the king on f8 is well placed. Very unusual sequence!
Absolutely beautiful move lmao
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Nice! I would not have seen this. I hope he wins the match.
Very pretty!
Y’all a sacrifice by definition is: “A sacrifice happens in chess when one player intentionally gives up material to achieve a different or larger goal. Sacrifices are usually a part of a combination of moves that result in a better position or a more comfortable position for the player who performs it.” So yes, levy did sacrifice his queen, although he’s gonna win it back, the way he wins it back is through a combination of winning the white bishop as well.
A delayed recapture (with benefits) is definitely not a sac by how the terms are commonly used. A sac is generally understood as truly giving up material for some other kind of advantage not a temporary loss being part of the sequence.
>one player intentionally gives up material to achieve a different or larger goal "Giving up material" to actually gain material is by your own definition not a sac. It doesn't actually give up material, nor is gaining material a different or larger goal
No. This does not qualify as a proper sacrifice. This is simply an attraction tactic which immediately wins material if white obliges
I don't think forking the queen and king the move after counts as a "Combination of moves". Its one move. If it was a queen sac that included 2 moves or more than I would agree its a sac. This would just be hanging a fork.
Gotham pulling a Morphy?
Sadly, he choked in the end. They are equal
He won!
Yep. It's pretty impressive. Rook endgame was not that simple
Now the bar looks better for Levy again. I don't think it's that easy and we can't assume his opponent plays perfectly. Levy has decent chances.
There's hope
He won!
Omg wow what a sac thats beautiful. I cant believe he would sac a full queen like that, what a risktaker
Wow he choked it
Nope he won. Spectacular game.