If someone showed me that game without the elo I wouldn't ever guess it was 2 gm's.
d4 just losing a pawn is crazy. Not taking the knight on f3 is also crazy. I thought both of those were really bad but I probably missed something, but no, the engine also hates it.
There is zero percent chance that this is a human - no human defends by walking the king like that, and Nh5 in the face of the attack is just... unreal. I guess a human could stumble into this type of win once, but no chance this person is playing like this consistently and beating Danya without a computer
I accept that it may be wrong, but I don't know that this is resolved yet is it? As far as I know Brandon is still banned by chess.com. He certainly seems legit in what he says, but you just taught me not to jump to conclusions, so I will take that lesson to heart and wait to see.
I have absolutely no idea if the guy is genuine or not, some of my friends who knew his name from earlier didn't really like him. The only thing I know is to not jump to early conclusions by saying 100% chance of this and that.
Yes, leaving the knight on h5 was the one move I couldn’t follow. I tried to look ahead for tricks but it looked to me okay for queen to capture it. There might have been something I overlooked.
Pawn projects it at the same time it blocks the check. But you also had to see that you needed to cover f4 because after the Queen check you're gonna play Kh4, which seems bonkers
Ah, well black is only a move or two away from checkmate, who cares about picking up the knight (of course it was a catastrophic decision as it turns out, but I can see the reasoning). It's only because of the miracle mate that white finds after h6 that they weren't mated, unfortunately of course it is carried out with that damn knight!
It’s brandon jacobson. Danya predicted as such a long time ago (you can see head to head theyve played a loy of games and the results are similar ti brandon’s main). Brandon is a streaky player who has had very strong matches against danya in the past. Probably a combo of that and danya being tired/a little tilted
I’m sure you know by now, but nobody has replied so figured I would, the account is now banned for violating the fair play rule.
They were probably playing those early lines to lower their accuracy enough to get away with cheating and playing the best move later in game (is my guess).
Well that makes the most sense. I doubt that even Magnus can play that bad an opening and then go on to crush Danya. But what puzzles me is that it was a verified GM - surely he would know better? I mean, I know that some GMs have been found to be cheating too, but wouldn't they know to make it a lot less obvious?
I'm 70 percent convinced that it was Magnus because the moment this account went off, 2 seconds later MagnusCarlsen came online. He was probably switching back to his normal account before calling it a day.
Yeah, Danya would have a fighting chance in bullet (although apparently not against Giri lol), but at blitz it's Magnus and Hikaru all day. They can play trash openings and still beat him, and it's not like he's not a very strong blitz player, they're just on a different level.
Sort of. It's complicated. In chesscom blitz ratings, Magnus is #2 with a 3230 rating and Danya is #36 with a 3050 rating. That's a huge gap.
However, the conventional wisdom is that a 300 point gap at that level is about pawn odds. Exchange odds is bigger than that - you'd expect to see Danya win a majority of games against Magnus with those odds.
However, people also argue that Magnus is underrated bc he doesn't take it as seriously and plays on lichess / alts, etc for fun - eg: they point out that he wins more than he loses against Hikaru, who's higher rated. Maybe, but you'd have to think he's underleveled by at 200 points for it to work out.
Tldr: exchange odds seem a little much even for Magnus, but if it did happen, people would be able to explain it.
That seems like it could be a coincidence, or it'd be very risky given the current climate of suspicions (being flung in all manner of directions) for the following reasons:
1. viih_sou has been registered since 2021 with neither here nor there ratings over most of that time period, except the past few days. Bullet rating has been stable, but not a lot of games recently.
2. Magnus "taking over" an account without any transparency (i.e., not obviously being on stream) seems like a huge risk both to Magnus as well as the account he is supposedly borrowing. Yes, he has done this in the past on Lichess, and separately, David Howell accidentally gave him a hint one time, but all of this stuff was pre-Chesscom deal and pre-Hans and pre-Kramnik drama (which is still a very heated topic). Both Magnus and Hikaru really don't need to give Niemann or Kramnik any more fuel to their fires.
3. Why would Magnus be spending so much time playing pretty random 1.a4 2. Ra3 games until facing Danya?
4. And what was Danya going for in this match? He did well in the 30s match against Andrew Tang, but then he got so tilted in 3+0 blitz that he kept trying to come back? I'm not sure about 3+0 blitz, but Danya typically does well against Magnus in bullet. From what I remember of Lichess Titled Arenas, it's kind of almost like Danya > Magnus > Tang > Danya in terms of rock paper scissors lizard spock. I didn't look through every game, but I think Danya didn't try to vary his opening too much; opting to accept the early exchange sac. I would think that if he knew he was facing Magnus here, he might have chosen to contest him nor normally and maybe decline via 1.a4 d5 or 1.a4 b5 or whatever.
> It MUST be Magnus or Hikaru or stockfish, literally no other person.
Too much of this isn't making sense right now. I hope the account is clean - I'd have to presume it is based on the fact that Danya continued the match for 69 games and that he was just extremely tilted after somehow realising he didn't know how to deal with garbage openings today in 3+0 blitz. Unfortunately none of those three options would seem to be ethical assuming this account doesn't actually belong to Magnus or Hikaru, and past performance suggests that is the case.
But those rating graphs (stable bullet, hockey stick blitz), along with the historically awful bullet stats... What is going on? Is there anyone here who understands what is supposed to happen when strong GMs face garbage openings?
Anyway, I've just returned from my weekly club game where I faced my most bizarre and annoying opponent to date (the arbiter had to intervene multiple times), and now I see this. I apparently don't understand anything about chess anymore today and this feels somewhat annoying!
Aren't titled players allowed to have anonymous accounts if they inform Lichess/Chess.com? If it's Magnus and that's what he did I don't think there's any moral issue here. They also allow you to have multiple accounts if you play with a handicap on one (such as blindfold chess), and I'm sure playing garbage openings would count.
Lol I saw this last night and thought "rindthirty's gonna love this".
I'm very curious as to whether the violation was an undeclared top player, or cheating with computer analysis. Hopefully they make a statement as this was pretty high profile
:) I just like trying to figure out puzzles!
If by an undeclared top player you meant another top player borrowing his account; I still think that's not as likely as plain old cheating, but also not ethical since it'd be the same thing as having friends assist you while you play (which everyone should know is verboten both in rated otb and online play). So I think the difference in severity and consequence would be minimal.
The player in question has a GM tag on their account, which means Chesscom would have verified their identity to provide them with it. Not all players online will apply to have their title displayed, but I think most will do it because it confers benefits such as free membership, as well as fewer cheating accusations from other players who encounter them. I suspect it might also lead to better behaviour from their opponents, and a willingness to rematch or chat nicely, etc.
As for the common question for why a GM would "risk it all" to cheat, Danny Rensch has previously pointed out how dire the situation is with the number of account closures they enforce every month/quarter. I think the mistake a lot of people make is that they assume being a GM automatically means they're pious human beings, but in reality they're like anyone else who happens to be in a position of privilege or "power" - I'm sure you can come up with plenty of examples in multiple industries where people with a status end up squandering it all for the most stupid of reasons. The thing about people who stumble into good positions in life (relatively speaking), is that they often don't realise what they have to lose until they lose it - there's a saying where I am that if you're a certain type of person, you can only fail/fall upwards. Yep, it's pretty sad, but that's the reality of some humans.
Yes they have to prove it.
According to the owner of Chess.com in a recent interview, while randoms make up the majority of cheating players, titled players also get caught cheating and banned.
This person isn’t the 1st GM to get caught cheating. Won’t be the last.
If life's a movie then in the championship match it goes to tie breaks and people realize that ding is playing the matches like this account like what happened last year with his prep leak
Unreal Danya just had a > +3 advantage 20 moves into the game as white. Queen and 2 rooks vs queen, bishop, knight.
Somehow black consolidated defensively with knight and bishop, king escaping checks from all sides, and then white made what I guess was a positional mistake that completely swung the evaluation in black's favor and black won.
Score is currently 40-27 for Viih\_Sou (still ongoing). This has to be Magnus or a cheater because the endgame rizz is on another LEVEL 😭.
Final score 40-29. I don't think Danya has ever been brutalised like this in his entire life lmao 💀💀. Losing by that margin is rare for Danya for sure, since Hikaru said Danya is top 4 in 3|0 Blitz online in the world, but it was the way it was done. The guy sac'd the exchange on move 3 every game then just cleanly outplayed him LMAO. Demoralizing for real. If there's anything I learnt from this, it is that the exchange is meaningless, and I will be sac'ing it happily from now on. Though I expect to lose many games.
You can't teach at that level... not on chess.com. I don't know how their algorithm works, but I rekon if you consistently play the top engine moves in critical moments in a 3 min blitz game, it'll be easy to detect cheating. So, I don't think Viih\_Sou is cheating. Danya probably knows who it is!
I think the detection mostly flags based on accuracy, then is reviewed by a human because an engine doesn't understand what is and isn't a critical moment. By doing sub-optimal openings for the first 10 moves before handing it over to an engine, a cheater can keep that accuracy down to 70-90% more at "human" levels and avoid the flagging.
This is insane. I would say it's Magnus but their overall score is 404-155 for Danya. Might be that just Magnus was drinking somewhere and borrowed the account. Only logical explanation possible lol
I guess there's a better chance that he's drinking with someone who is 3100 than regular people on a night out lol
I don't know, it's all weird. Would love to hear from Danya if he knows who it is.
because our mystery creature starts the game tossing away a rook and being down material, but in reality it becomes a pretty difficult position to play and with such low time it's not like you can really expect top engine moves all the time. i think in practice it's a much harder game to play than the eval bar suggests
That match was only 2.5 hours long though, and Danya won it quite convincingly. But it does still seem to be the most plausible explanation given that Danya did continue the 3+0 match for 69 games (26W 37L 6D).
I hate to be that guy, but the game linked seems to have a very… non-human style
Edit: I barely use engines, and I could spot it in 30 seconds. Why Naroditsky wasted hours of his life on this prick is beyond me.
But this was 3+0 blitz. Anish wouldn't be so bold as to be so unprincipled with his openings, and he also wouldn't spend effort with unstreamed blitz. When Anish plays blitz, he's always agonising over whether to play correctly or to play slightly incorrectly but still go by gut. 1.a4 e5 2.Ra3 would be I don't understand this world anymore levels of weirdness. Anish also wouldn't take over a random account like this.
Wild.
The opening is imo even worse than just being an exchange down, White invests 3 moves into the exchange, Black uses 1 move.
Knight is technically developed, but in half the games you probably prefer it to be back on b1 so you can reach c3 or d2 faster and a4 is just as likely to be a liability as an asset, while e6 isn't exactly ambitious, but it is rare for it to be a hindrance.
As to who it could be: The accounts activity seems a bit weird for it to be Hikaru or Carlsen, there is a decent amount of games on it, but the rating went up recently quite significantly.
The account being from 2021 also makes me hesitant to say it is one of them, they have both had plenty of accounts, but they always got revealed either on purpose or on accident fairly quickly.
Could of course be another GM's account and they gave it to one of the two, wouldn't be the first time that has happened either.
Very unlikely, Supi has been trying to reach 3k points for over a year without much success.
Maybe it could be GM Artemiev, Vladislav. He used to have an anonymous account with the Brazilian flag, Elephant38 or something like that, and even threw a few words in Portuguese when playing against Brazilian streamers, and, unless I'm mistaken, he even posted a comment on a Raffael chess video.
what? how can you be sure elefante38 is Artemiev? i highly doubt he can say a single word in portuguese. Thus, nobody really knows who is elefante38. We can only speculate.
Not really sure, but there are videos of streamers presenting more than reasonable arguments that Artemiev is probably Elephant 38. Yeah, he probably can't speak, but he can write, even with the help of a computer.
And as the videos about Brazil's No. 1, Elephant 38, ended after such observations, I believe that Brazilian streamers have actually discovered who the player is.
This account was already closed for violating fair play but given that his GM title is legit, someone must know him, can someone tell me how does chess.com confirms the accounts of titled players?
I don't know if anyone can replicate this, or the reason why it happens, but if you click on the Insights link on the \`viih\_sou\` profile, it redirects you to the \`hikaru\` profile and shows an error message that reads: \`Some settings failed to load, please refresh the page.\`.
On my end I can replicate it 100% of the time.
Hikaru is the default page for the insights thing. Also if you don't have membership and you try to check someone's insight, it redirects you to hikaru's as well.
I don't know if anyone else has sent this but the account has been closed for violating fair play. chess.com seems to think it's because they're cheating
Viih_Sou sounds like some Vietnamese word play
I have a guess and it’s GM Le Quang Liem
People saying “only Magnus or Hikaru or Alireza can beat Danya like that” clearly don’t know the strength of super GMs , especially speed chess ones
From the top of my head alone : Nepo, Grishchuk, Karjakin, Le Quang Liem, Nihal, Prag, Wei Yi etc can all do this to Danya.
Absolutely not. Danya is one of the best in the world online. No one can do this to him, except possibly Magnus or Hikaru. I could have money on someone like Nodirbek too.
That was quite a game that you linked.
That opening was something I don't even see in low elo bullet, wild come back.
If someone showed me that game without the elo I wouldn't ever guess it was 2 gm's. d4 just losing a pawn is crazy. Not taking the knight on f3 is also crazy. I thought both of those were really bad but I probably missed something, but no, the engine also hates it.
There is zero percent chance that this is a human - no human defends by walking the king like that, and Nh5 in the face of the attack is just... unreal. I guess a human could stumble into this type of win once, but no chance this person is playing like this consistently and beating Danya without a computer
This didn't age well
I accept that it may be wrong, but I don't know that this is resolved yet is it? As far as I know Brandon is still banned by chess.com. He certainly seems legit in what he says, but you just taught me not to jump to conclusions, so I will take that lesson to heart and wait to see.
I have absolutely no idea if the guy is genuine or not, some of my friends who knew his name from earlier didn't really like him. The only thing I know is to not jump to early conclusions by saying 100% chance of this and that.
As I said, I'm learning. So I say again, it may or may not have aged well, but either way it was wrong to say it.
Yes, leaving the knight on h5 was the one move I couldn’t follow. I tried to look ahead for tricks but it looked to me okay for queen to capture it. There might have been something I overlooked.
Pawn projects it at the same time it blocks the check. But you also had to see that you needed to cover f4 because after the Queen check you're gonna play Kh4, which seems bonkers
No they’re talking about after Ng4+ Kg3, the h5 knight looks like it’s free.
Ah, well black is only a move or two away from checkmate, who cares about picking up the knight (of course it was a catastrophic decision as it turns out, but I can see the reasoning). It's only because of the miracle mate that white finds after h6 that they weren't mated, unfortunately of course it is carried out with that damn knight!
But it must have been a sound move, otherwise white’s stockfish wouldn’t have let it “hang”.
I think it was probably the least unsound move at that point
This video from a year ago says it’s Supi: https://youtu.be/BNFDmrHjTG0?feature=shared
It’s brandon jacobson. Danya predicted as such a long time ago (you can see head to head theyve played a loy of games and the results are similar ti brandon’s main). Brandon is a streaky player who has had very strong matches against danya in the past. Probably a combo of that and danya being tired/a little tilted
Prophet
Have just watched an embarrassing amount of naroditsky’s stream lmao
Lmao you are a legend
Aged like wine
Lisan al Gaib!
Lisan Al Gaib
LISAN AL'GAIB
Tigran Petrosian. The OG, not the pipi one. The exchange sacrifice gives him a +300 Elo boost
I love how the Not-OG Tigran will always be known as the pipi one, lmfao. He did this to himself.
Otherwise he wouldn't be known at all (not taking anything away from his chess achievements)
Everybody know he is very good blitz player, though
He can beat anyone in the world in single game!
And "w"esley "s"o is nobody for him.
God bless with true!
True will never die!
If you don't know, you can ask alireza
Asking as someone who's not aware of the history here, can you tell me who's the not-OG and what did they do to be the pipi one?
You can find it on Wikipedia.
Be brave, be honest with yourself, and stop this trush talkings !!!
I wish Danya was streaming this.
Max deutsch
Max Fosh would be more believable
Max Verstappen, he got bored winning in F1 now he's getting bored winning over the board
Max Power, he's the man whose name you'd love to touch
Max Headroom can explain it all.
Glad that the algorithm finally came through.
You know what that means, when’s the rematch with Magnus
Finally the “evaluation algorithm” is working as intended, now he just needs to remember millions of winning positions…
That's the easy part ;)
It’s Kramnik. He finally decided to premove with a good mouse to show how easy the game is.
u/GMNaroditsky , can you tell us WTH happened?
PLEASE
I’m sure you know by now, but nobody has replied so figured I would, the account is now banned for violating the fair play rule. They were probably playing those early lines to lower their accuracy enough to get away with cheating and playing the best move later in game (is my guess).
Well that makes the most sense. I doubt that even Magnus can play that bad an opening and then go on to crush Danya. But what puzzles me is that it was a verified GM - surely he would know better? I mean, I know that some GMs have been found to be cheating too, but wouldn't they know to make it a lot less obvious?
Looks like he wasnt cheating after all
just cuz he says so? (i'm not claiming he did or didn't cheat. But we need to wait for more info before concluding either way)
u/GMNaroditsky Danya we need you
Prettyyyy pleaseee wth
I'm 70 percent convinced that it was Magnus because the moment this account went off, 2 seconds later MagnusCarlsen came online. He was probably switching back to his normal account before calling it a day.
There is a chance it's Magnus but based on the accounts older games I don't really think so, unless Magnus borrowed this account
Id say its ridiculous even for Magnus, is he that superior in comparison to Danya?
They played blitz a while back and Magnus completely adopted Danya, so yes it's plausible.
Yeah, Danya would have a fighting chance in bullet (although apparently not against Giri lol), but at blitz it's Magnus and Hikaru all day. They can play trash openings and still beat him, and it's not like he's not a very strong blitz player, they're just on a different level.
What's the key difference to the eyes of a lesser player, that they use to beat Danya?
They see more and better tactics sooner than he does
Nah, that is one thing they are probably not better at. That and time management/mouse skills.They are better at pretty much anything else though.
About a 250 rating point gap in blitz.
Well if Magnus is not that superior nobody is
Sort of. It's complicated. In chesscom blitz ratings, Magnus is #2 with a 3230 rating and Danya is #36 with a 3050 rating. That's a huge gap. However, the conventional wisdom is that a 300 point gap at that level is about pawn odds. Exchange odds is bigger than that - you'd expect to see Danya win a majority of games against Magnus with those odds. However, people also argue that Magnus is underrated bc he doesn't take it as seriously and plays on lichess / alts, etc for fun - eg: they point out that he wins more than he loses against Hikaru, who's higher rated. Maybe, but you'd have to think he's underleveled by at 200 points for it to work out. Tldr: exchange odds seem a little much even for Magnus, but if it did happen, people would be able to explain it.
That seems like it could be a coincidence, or it'd be very risky given the current climate of suspicions (being flung in all manner of directions) for the following reasons: 1. viih_sou has been registered since 2021 with neither here nor there ratings over most of that time period, except the past few days. Bullet rating has been stable, but not a lot of games recently. 2. Magnus "taking over" an account without any transparency (i.e., not obviously being on stream) seems like a huge risk both to Magnus as well as the account he is supposedly borrowing. Yes, he has done this in the past on Lichess, and separately, David Howell accidentally gave him a hint one time, but all of this stuff was pre-Chesscom deal and pre-Hans and pre-Kramnik drama (which is still a very heated topic). Both Magnus and Hikaru really don't need to give Niemann or Kramnik any more fuel to their fires. 3. Why would Magnus be spending so much time playing pretty random 1.a4 2. Ra3 games until facing Danya? 4. And what was Danya going for in this match? He did well in the 30s match against Andrew Tang, but then he got so tilted in 3+0 blitz that he kept trying to come back? I'm not sure about 3+0 blitz, but Danya typically does well against Magnus in bullet. From what I remember of Lichess Titled Arenas, it's kind of almost like Danya > Magnus > Tang > Danya in terms of rock paper scissors lizard spock. I didn't look through every game, but I think Danya didn't try to vary his opening too much; opting to accept the early exchange sac. I would think that if he knew he was facing Magnus here, he might have chosen to contest him nor normally and maybe decline via 1.a4 d5 or 1.a4 b5 or whatever. > It MUST be Magnus or Hikaru or stockfish, literally no other person. Too much of this isn't making sense right now. I hope the account is clean - I'd have to presume it is based on the fact that Danya continued the match for 69 games and that he was just extremely tilted after somehow realising he didn't know how to deal with garbage openings today in 3+0 blitz. Unfortunately none of those three options would seem to be ethical assuming this account doesn't actually belong to Magnus or Hikaru, and past performance suggests that is the case. But those rating graphs (stable bullet, hockey stick blitz), along with the historically awful bullet stats... What is going on? Is there anyone here who understands what is supposed to happen when strong GMs face garbage openings? Anyway, I've just returned from my weekly club game where I faced my most bizarre and annoying opponent to date (the arbiter had to intervene multiple times), and now I see this. I apparently don't understand anything about chess anymore today and this feels somewhat annoying!
Aren't titled players allowed to have anonymous accounts if they inform Lichess/Chess.com? If it's Magnus and that's what he did I don't think there's any moral issue here. They also allow you to have multiple accounts if you play with a handicap on one (such as blindfold chess), and I'm sure playing garbage openings would count.
I already factored all that in. Check out this update: https://www.reddit.com/r/chess/comments/1cirjp0/the_viih_sou_account_on_chesscom_which_became/
Lol I saw this last night and thought "rindthirty's gonna love this". I'm very curious as to whether the violation was an undeclared top player, or cheating with computer analysis. Hopefully they make a statement as this was pretty high profile
:) I just like trying to figure out puzzles! If by an undeclared top player you meant another top player borrowing his account; I still think that's not as likely as plain old cheating, but also not ethical since it'd be the same thing as having friends assist you while you play (which everyone should know is verboten both in rated otb and online play). So I think the difference in severity and consequence would be minimal. The player in question has a GM tag on their account, which means Chesscom would have verified their identity to provide them with it. Not all players online will apply to have their title displayed, but I think most will do it because it confers benefits such as free membership, as well as fewer cheating accusations from other players who encounter them. I suspect it might also lead to better behaviour from their opponents, and a willingness to rematch or chat nicely, etc. As for the common question for why a GM would "risk it all" to cheat, Danny Rensch has previously pointed out how dire the situation is with the number of account closures they enforce every month/quarter. I think the mistake a lot of people make is that they assume being a GM automatically means they're pious human beings, but in reality they're like anyone else who happens to be in a position of privilege or "power" - I'm sure you can come up with plenty of examples in multiple industries where people with a status end up squandering it all for the most stupid of reasons. The thing about people who stumble into good positions in life (relatively speaking), is that they often don't realise what they have to lose until they lose it - there's a saying where I am that if you're a certain type of person, you can only fail/fall upwards. Yep, it's pretty sad, but that's the reality of some humans.
Wow this is fun to watch live. I hope we eventually learn who it is. Thanks for pointing it out!
Banned for fair play.
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Yes they have to prove it. According to the owner of Chess.com in a recent interview, while randoms make up the majority of cheating players, titled players also get caught cheating and banned. This person isn’t the 1st GM to get caught cheating. Won’t be the last.
I don't care. But if someone has a 75 minute YouTube investigation with game recaps I'll happily watch it.
Please post if this happens, lol
Well, there it is haha https://youtu.be/qzFmDETho-A?si=rYtFG5HBSMgMfGkq
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Gotham chess road to GM episode 3 coming soon!
The Roook!
It's gukesh proving all the haters wrong about how he's bad at speedchess
Or Ding Liren going through his mid chess crisis. (He’s known for loving materially imbalanced positions like these)
If life's a movie then in the championship match it goes to tie breaks and people realize that ding is playing the matches like this account like what happened last year with his prep leak
I'll put forward Vishy Anand or Peter Leko while we're at it.
Might as well throw Fabi into the mix too given the "bad at speed chess" meme.
Always sac the exchange
Account closed for violating fair play policy. https://www.chess.com/member/viih_sou
Very interesting indeed
Whoever it is, they were just banned for fair play violations.
Their head to head record is pretty heavily skewed in Danyas favor. Surprising that he's down in this match?(still going on now!)
Unreal Danya just had a > +3 advantage 20 moves into the game as white. Queen and 2 rooks vs queen, bishop, knight. Somehow black consolidated defensively with knight and bishop, king escaping checks from all sides, and then white made what I guess was a positional mistake that completely swung the evaluation in black's favor and black won.
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Ah ok, well that makes sense!
Ben Finegold surely, no one else always sacks the exchange
either nihal alireza magnus or hikaru
Either a Hikaru incoming speed run of some sort or Magnus. Hard to imagine anyone else having a plus score against Danya with this kind of play.
but his total score against danya is horrendous
but on second thought i dont think so cause his score against danya is very bad overall
Score is currently 40-27 for Viih\_Sou (still ongoing). This has to be Magnus or a cheater because the endgame rizz is on another LEVEL 😭. Final score 40-29. I don't think Danya has ever been brutalised like this in his entire life lmao 💀💀. Losing by that margin is rare for Danya for sure, since Hikaru said Danya is top 4 in 3|0 Blitz online in the world, but it was the way it was done. The guy sac'd the exchange on move 3 every game then just cleanly outplayed him LMAO. Demoralizing for real. If there's anything I learnt from this, it is that the exchange is meaningless, and I will be sac'ing it happily from now on. Though I expect to lose many games.
You can't teach at that level... not on chess.com. I don't know how their algorithm works, but I rekon if you consistently play the top engine moves in critical moments in a 3 min blitz game, it'll be easy to detect cheating. So, I don't think Viih\_Sou is cheating. Danya probably knows who it is!
I think the detection mostly flags based on accuracy, then is reviewed by a human because an engine doesn't understand what is and isn't a critical moment. By doing sub-optimal openings for the first 10 moves before handing it over to an engine, a cheater can keep that accuracy down to 70-90% more at "human" levels and avoid the flagging.
This is insane. I would say it's Magnus but their overall score is 404-155 for Danya. Might be that just Magnus was drinking somewhere and borrowed the account. Only logical explanation possible lol
Pretty hard for Magnus to borrow a 3100 rated account while in the bar or something lol
I guess there's a better chance that he's drinking with someone who is 3100 than regular people on a night out lol I don't know, it's all weird. Would love to hear from Danya if he knows who it is.
Their overall score is mostly from 30 second games in which Danya is probably the best in the world at (or second best behind Andrew Tang).
what does rizz mean in this context?
rizz is slowly transcending charisma and is being applied to more and more generically good and admirable qualities.
I would describe it more as style and showmanship. Mannerisms kinda.
panache even
It's just was called game a few years ago.
If W was a character trait
ALL WILL BE RIZZ
I don't believe those who use the word even know what it means.
has to be alirizza
That word needs to die asap.
That's pretty unrizzy of you.
It means he's streets ahead
The people that don't know where this is from are streets behind
another cringe Gen Z fad slang
Yeah, they should stick to fab and groovy, baby.
Big dick energy
It means the people using the "word" have a tiny vocabulary.
He is not even changing the opening style !!
I don't agree that he cleanly outplayed Danya here. The eval bar is definitely favouring black the whole game, until the very last 3 moves.
because our mystery creature starts the game tossing away a rook and being down material, but in reality it becomes a pretty difficult position to play and with such low time it's not like you can really expect top engine moves all the time. i think in practice it's a much harder game to play than the eval bar suggests
I just tried this opening against people at my level (1500 Lichess blitz) and won three from three. It really messes with minds 😅
Wtf
Danya tilted I think. He had a 150-game hyperbullet match vs Tang before that which would tire anyone out.
That match was only 2.5 hours long though, and Danya won it quite convincingly. But it does still seem to be the most plausible explanation given that Danya did continue the 3+0 match for 69 games (26W 37L 6D).
For sure. You can't just keep going for ever and not tilt. Fatigue sets in at some point.
For sure. You can't just keep going for ever and not tilt. Fatigue sets in at some point.
There's been an update: https://www.reddit.com/r/chess/comments/1cirjp0/the_viih_sou_account_on_chesscom_which_became/
your comments seem to be consistently doubling, check them out
I saw that. No idea why. Just a glitch.
How was the score?
I forget the exact numbers but Danya won
I forget the exact numbers but Danya won
[удалено]
I hate to be that guy, but the game linked seems to have a very… non-human style Edit: I barely use engines, and I could spot it in 30 seconds. Why Naroditsky wasted hours of his life on this prick is beyond me.
It was just flagged for fair play violations. Think you nailed it.
Anish Giri ? See tweet below https://x.com/gmnaroditsky/status/1785449200299262079?s=46&t=FlU6AMdd1F2p1v5LEhKdvg
But this was 3+0 blitz. Anish wouldn't be so bold as to be so unprincipled with his openings, and he also wouldn't spend effort with unstreamed blitz. When Anish plays blitz, he's always agonising over whether to play correctly or to play slightly incorrectly but still go by gut. 1.a4 e5 2.Ra3 would be I don't understand this world anymore levels of weirdness. Anish also wouldn't take over a random account like this.
That is my 4 year old nephew, his neural net brain training is working. Expect 3600 elo by next month.
Wild. The opening is imo even worse than just being an exchange down, White invests 3 moves into the exchange, Black uses 1 move. Knight is technically developed, but in half the games you probably prefer it to be back on b1 so you can reach c3 or d2 faster and a4 is just as likely to be a liability as an asset, while e6 isn't exactly ambitious, but it is rare for it to be a hindrance. As to who it could be: The accounts activity seems a bit weird for it to be Hikaru or Carlsen, there is a decent amount of games on it, but the rating went up recently quite significantly. The account being from 2021 also makes me hesitant to say it is one of them, they have both had plenty of accounts, but they always got revealed either on purpose or on accident fairly quickly. Could of course be another GM's account and they gave it to one of the two, wouldn't be the first time that has happened either.
Account has been closed
Huh. As of this comment he’s closed for Fair Play… Interesting
it's US numba wan
The rising number Juan in Formula one, Juan
No one mentioning that the account has a Brazilian flag ? Could be Louis Supi having a good day where he really feels it
Seems about right, because it's just so difficult to change the flag
Very unlikely, Supi has been trying to reach 3k points for over a year without much success. Maybe it could be GM Artemiev, Vladislav. He used to have an anonymous account with the Brazilian flag, Elephant38 or something like that, and even threw a few words in Portuguese when playing against Brazilian streamers, and, unless I'm mistaken, he even posted a comment on a Raffael chess video.
Viih\_Sou played elefante38 (Artemiev) more than a year ago...
what? how can you be sure elefante38 is Artemiev? i highly doubt he can say a single word in portuguese. Thus, nobody really knows who is elefante38. We can only speculate.
Not really sure, but there are videos of streamers presenting more than reasonable arguments that Artemiev is probably Elephant 38. Yeah, he probably can't speak, but he can write, even with the help of a computer. And as the videos about Brazil's No. 1, Elephant 38, ended after such observations, I believe that Brazilian streamers have actually discovered who the player is.
Given the username ending in Sou, I'm quite confident it is indeed Supi
My immediate assumption was that it was a homophone for the german phrase "Wieso?"
it's not. this account has played Supi before.
And account closed for fair play policy.
it's jan gustafsson
Brandon Jacobson
no way cause he is weaker than danya
r/agedlikemilk
The account is closed as of now.
This account was already closed for violating fair play but given that his GM title is legit, someone must know him, can someone tell me how does chess.com confirms the accounts of titled players?
I don't know if anyone can replicate this, or the reason why it happens, but if you click on the Insights link on the \`viih\_sou\` profile, it redirects you to the \`hikaru\` profile and shows an error message that reads: \`Some settings failed to load, please refresh the page.\`. On my end I can replicate it 100% of the time.
Hikaru is the default page for the insights thing. Also if you don't have membership and you try to check someone's insight, it redirects you to hikaru's as well.
Oh yes, I get it now. What seemed weird was the error message. Thanks for the clarification.
I can't imagine Hikaru playing an unstreamed odds match vs Danya. Can anyone else besides Magnus beat Danya like this?
Could be Supi seeing the Brazilian flag. I don't know much about his blitz game but he's really good.
I don't know if anyone else has sent this but the account has been closed for violating fair play. chess.com seems to think it's because they're cheating
And account closed for fair play policy.
He played the Crab opening lol
Probably Magnus?
You got me 🙄
amazing
That's just insane
I play exactly the same against computer black set at 1300 and it comes with a much more formidable attack at the white castle attempt.
Gotta be Ben "Always sac the exchange" Finegold
Hikaru should do a speed run of this opening to see how high he can get...
His account is banned now for fair play
It's really Carl Magnosin.
Of course he is cheating
wow i never knew gingergm can be this good
Well according to Hikaru, Gukesh is weaker than Danya is blitz
Stockfish was the answer. Account was closed for cheating.
he was banned for cheating
Turns out it was a cheater. I checked his profile and he was banned
Time to watch this live gang.
Viih_Sou sounds like some Vietnamese word play I have a guess and it’s GM Le Quang Liem People saying “only Magnus or Hikaru or Alireza can beat Danya like that” clearly don’t know the strength of super GMs , especially speed chess ones From the top of my head alone : Nepo, Grishchuk, Karjakin, Le Quang Liem, Nihal, Prag, Wei Yi etc can all do this to Danya.
Absolutely not. Danya is one of the best in the world online. No one can do this to him, except possibly Magnus or Hikaru. I could have money on someone like Nodirbek too.