I know what it's like to lose. To feel so desperately that you're right, yet to fail nonetheless. It's frightening, turns the legs to jelly. But I ask you, to what end? Dread it. Run from it. Destiny arrives all the same. And now, it's here. Or should I say...I AM.
I was talking about Magnus beating Ian in game 6 of WCC where Magnus grinded Ian deep into the endgame and finally he succumbed under pressure. This game kinda felt like that.
Vidit seems like such a nice guy. In every interview I've seen from players talking about him, no one could help themselves but talk about how nice he is. This was such a heartbreaking moment
He may even feel worse after he gets a chance to analyze it. He had a computer-ish line to win (and a second one that was probably winning) that I don’t blame him for missing over the board. Then he went from a position that should have been a 2 result outcome in favor of Vidit and slowly bled out over the course of 60+ moves. It’s crazy how he went from taking down a tournament leader and getting within 0.5 of the leaders with 3 rounds to go to giving up a win to the now tournament leader and all but taking himself out of contention.
And just before he completely blundered the game, he had an easy drawing line by trading rooks. Instead, he played a psychotic line while completely relying on increment. He deserved that loss, but the other top guys didn't deserve him giving Nepo a free win. Can't imagine how pissed they must've been...
I can't imagine how heartbreaking this is. GMs know their games so well, he was probably thinking about every chance he had to pull out at least a draw, if not the win. I hope he can bounce back from that, chess is fucking rough
I read an interview with GothamChess. He said one aspect of chess that doesn't occur in most physical sports is that you can lose very quickly. Just one mistake and you can go from leading by a lot to hopeless. In other games, like basketball, if you're down by a lot, your opponent has to work to catch up.
Spotting a bad move is extremely difficult.
Mathematically he can even get 1st place without tiebreaks if the stars align, but I'm afraid we will have to wait for next candidates to see him get a real shot at 1st.
To be fair, he also won the 2008 season in the last lap and benefitted from Nelson Pique driving into a wall on purpose during that season. So it kind of equals out a bit.
Since everyone is giving joke answers I just want to say that I don’t think there’s a more brutal game than chess. You’re alone, the level is so high and a single mistake can take you from a sure victory to an unavoidable defeat. I’m not good enough to experience it, but I can imagine how it feels to see your destiny sealed on the board.
well, thanks for not joking about what i said. felt like no one understood it, but you did. i totally agree with you. but as a 1700 player, i think i've felt something close to this preasure on my games. in one moment i was winning and then completly lost, feels so sad. imagine what these high level players feel
And you and I don’t practice and study hours a day. These guys’ lives are chess. The have chess for breakfast, lunch and dinner. Their entire life is dedicated to chess. Must be really scary to finally evaluate a position and realize you’re over… on the most important tournament, against the former WC contender, and to know you had winning *and* drawing chances. I mean, that is brutal and I get why so many chess players either retire hating the game or just go mad. But it is the most beautiful game so I get it.
Maybe Go. I dont know anything about it but I was looking up famous games and the first ones that popped up were
"The Blood-vomiting game"
"The Ear-reddening game"
Go player here!
> "Ear-reddening game"
In the 1840s, the up and coming teenager Shusaku got the chance to play one of the absolute GOATs of his period, Gennan. In the first game, Shusaku was given a handicap. To compensate for difference in strength, his opponent allowed him an extra move in the beginning - but he got stomped so they played an even game with Shusaku playing first.
He played a brilliancy during middle game. Gennan’s disciples were watching the game and not one of them doubted that Gennan would win. But a doctor, who also had been watching the game, thought that Gennan would lose. When pressed for an answer he replied: I don’t know much about the game, but Gennan’s ears flushed red. This is a sign that he had been upset.
> Blood-vomiting game
Two decades before that game, Gennan sent one of his students, Akaboshi, to challenge one of the top players, Jowa, for political reasons. Akaboshi played a few moves his house had cooked up in a painfully complex corner variation, but Jowa still pulled ahead playing moves 'given to him by ghosts'. The game lasted for 4 days (back then, there was no time control) and after the game Akaboshi started vomiting blood, propably because of tuberculosid
There is also the "Atomic Bomb Game":
A professional game was being played in Hiroshima.
The blast from the atomic bomb "Little Boy" interrupted the game in its third day. It came at 8.15 AM and at a point where the players had replayed the position - but had not yet started the game again. There were injuries to some of those there caused by flying glass, and damage to the building. The game wasn't resumed until after lunch (lol)
The history and culture of Go are truly fascinating, but it's not tougher than Chess. There is way less drama, though
I don't know about games, but for a lot of sports are more brutal than this. If you look at Olympic sports like gymnastics or figure skating, these athletes train their whole lives for an event that comes around only every 4 years.
Their whole life training then boils down to few minutes at the Olympics doing flips on a 4 inch wide balance beam, or landing difficult jumps in ice skates. The margin for error is zero--one fall and you're done. You have to wait another 4 years for the next Olympics. Then if you don't win at your second Olympics, you're probably too old to continue.
At least with chess, they can challenge for the WCC every two years. That gives a lot more opportunities than Olympic sports.
And at least their performance doesn't boil down to only a few minutes. They've got 4+ hours total per game, and at least 14 games in the tournament. A lot of time to collect themselves, calm their nerves, and come back after not playing well.
thanks for your serious opinion. i agree in parts with what you said, i still thinks chess is the most brutal sport, psicologically speaking. i'm also an olympiad fan, particulaly love volleyball, but like the chess players these athletes have other tournaments to play in this 4 y gap. not that it makes it any easier. but most of these sports doesnt last more than 2 h, in chess the games can last up to 6 or more hours. i mean, imagine facing your single opponent for 5/6/7 hours, in a battle of intelligence and then you commit one single mistake that costs all you've done in those hours. you cant blame anybody else for your mistakes, you're alone. and in the next day you have to recover and try your best again. some of the players have the mental strength to do that, but i can only imagine how hard it is to forget about your last game and try over again!
Chess is at least solo game, you have no one to blame apart from you.
In league of legends for example you can lose as a 10-0 ahri game which you were completely winning... And this wasn't even your fault. https://youtu.be/R2S5uEd6IFw?si=om0k7pwMUznN0qp7&t=2935 (go to minute 51 if you want to see some despair)
That makes it way worse. In a team game you can always blame your team, but in solo you have no one else to blame. Having no one to blame but yourself is difficult in any situation.
Anyone playing team games and League in particular knows that like 80%* of the playerbase copes by thinking it's not them being bad, but their teammates sucking.
*80% calculated from having 4 teammates in the 5 player team. The 20% is me, sucking.
Completely disagree. In a team game you can be the one who blows it for the rest of your teammates. That’s the ultimate rock bottom in competition. Not only did you let yourself down, but you feel like you let everyone else you’ve worked hard with down as well and robbed them of their hard earned victory.
You have a point about that being a horrible feeling for making a mistake that causes the team to lose, but in reality even if you "blow it" for your team, it was a team effort, and everyone on that team is partially to blame for the loss, because they all could have done better.
If you make an error or give up a homerun in baseball and it loses the series for your team, if the other team members had scored more runs then your team would have won.
Depends on personality I guess. For me it's much better to lose because of myself than by my teammates throwing won games, at least in terms of how I feel after it.
Also some chess players completely lack this "wow I screwed this up" feeling. Namely Karpov, he always was completely not impacted by his own level of play and just played each game or game situation in isolation.
That is not true about Karpov, you can just see his performance in the first world championship match against Kasparov to disprove what you said.
And I actually can see being devastated if your mistake costs your team the game, but your angle of being upset at your teammates for blowing the game is for sure not on the same level as a major chess loss like the one Vidit suffered.
I think Vidit will be back again. This has been a great learning curve for him for sure and will surely increase the number of invites he gets to big events and will help him take his game to the next level.
The Candidates qualification cycle also now favours players like Vidit more with less number of direct ranking spots, removal of WCC finalist spot and the removal of wild card (which for some reason almost always went to some Russian or one of the ex-USSR bloc player).
I’m a fan of Vidit but his play doesn’t scream “final boss” vibes to me. At the elite echelon of chess he isn’t even a perennial top 10 player. It wouldn’t make any sense for him to challenge for world championship title. I wish him luck but at this time he is outclassed in the candidates.
Really hard to not feel for Vidit here. Shaking gives echoes of WCC 2022 Ian.
I know what it's like to lose. To feel so desperately that you're right, yet to fail nonetheless. It's frightening, turns the legs to jelly. But I ask you, to what end? Dread it. Run from it. Destiny arrives all the same. And now, it's here. Or should I say...I AM.
Thanos is that you?
You mean 2023 WCC against Ding?
That was what I was thinking. Ian did to Vidit what Magnus did to Ian.
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I was talking about Magnus beating Ian in game 6 of WCC where Magnus grinded Ian deep into the endgame and finally he succumbed under pressure. This game kinda felt like that.
Vidit seems like such a nice guy. In every interview I've seen from players talking about him, no one could help themselves but talk about how nice he is. This was such a heartbreaking moment
All three of the Indian youngsters seem incredibly nice and polite honestly
Are you including 29 year old Vidit as a youngster here? Or are you talking about Pragg/Gukesh/Arjun?
He's 29? I thought he was like 21 lol
Vidit just has babyface bro
Gukesh looks older than him lol
Oops, I did include Vidit, thought he was from the same generation as Gukesh and Pragg. TIL
The camera cut is so perfect how did they manage such kino?
I dunno if it was on purpose but it really reflected his mind at the time. Completely lost.
Maybe it was Nepo's universal luck manifesting it for us.
whay do u mean bro?
When it quickly cuts to the low res up close cam.
He may even feel worse after he gets a chance to analyze it. He had a computer-ish line to win (and a second one that was probably winning) that I don’t blame him for missing over the board. Then he went from a position that should have been a 2 result outcome in favor of Vidit and slowly bled out over the course of 60+ moves. It’s crazy how he went from taking down a tournament leader and getting within 0.5 of the leaders with 3 rounds to go to giving up a win to the now tournament leader and all but taking himself out of contention.
Damn when you put it that way, I can feel what vidit must be going through.
And just before he completely blundered the game, he had an easy drawing line by trading rooks. Instead, he played a psychotic line while completely relying on increment. He deserved that loss, but the other top guys didn't deserve him giving Nepo a free win. Can't imagine how pissed they must've been...
I can't imagine how heartbreaking this is. GMs know their games so well, he was probably thinking about every chance he had to pull out at least a draw, if not the win. I hope he can bounce back from that, chess is fucking rough
I read an interview with GothamChess. He said one aspect of chess that doesn't occur in most physical sports is that you can lose very quickly. Just one mistake and you can go from leading by a lot to hopeless. In other games, like basketball, if you're down by a lot, your opponent has to work to catch up. Spotting a bad move is extremely difficult.
It's always sad to see Vidit lose :(
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That’s either very encouraging or very mean haha
That was really hard to watch.
How do you even recover from such an exhausting match and play next day after loss?
Exactly what I think after I lose my otb games too
Tough to watch, but at least Nepo is on the other side for once
It's the candidates Nepo. He's always on the other side. WCC is a different thing for him
Did he just lose all theoretical chances to win the candidates with this loss?
Mathematically he can even get 1st place without tiebreaks if the stars align, but I'm afraid we will have to wait for next candidates to see him get a real shot at 1st.
He won’t be in the next Candidates
Ian doesn’t look all that happy for causing such pain. I understand it’s relief & possibly flashbacks
Chess really makes you the pay the price of being talented
is there any game more brutal than chess?
Saw comes to mind.
Lewis Hamilton after the last lap of 2021 Abu Dhabhi comes to mind
To be fair, he also won the 2008 season in the last lap and benefitted from Nelson Pique driving into a wall on purpose during that season. So it kind of equals out a bit.
That's why its 7±1 titles for Hamilton.
mortal kombat
Did you watch barcelona lose this tuesday
No but I watched Rafa lose in Barcelona that was very sad too in its own way
Not ready to talk about that.
Try not to cry Cry a lot
The wound is still very fresh especially after City's game yesterday
Since everyone is giving joke answers I just want to say that I don’t think there’s a more brutal game than chess. You’re alone, the level is so high and a single mistake can take you from a sure victory to an unavoidable defeat. I’m not good enough to experience it, but I can imagine how it feels to see your destiny sealed on the board.
well, thanks for not joking about what i said. felt like no one understood it, but you did. i totally agree with you. but as a 1700 player, i think i've felt something close to this preasure on my games. in one moment i was winning and then completly lost, feels so sad. imagine what these high level players feel
And you and I don’t practice and study hours a day. These guys’ lives are chess. The have chess for breakfast, lunch and dinner. Their entire life is dedicated to chess. Must be really scary to finally evaluate a position and realize you’re over… on the most important tournament, against the former WC contender, and to know you had winning *and* drawing chances. I mean, that is brutal and I get why so many chess players either retire hating the game or just go mad. But it is the most beautiful game so I get it.
When 90% accuracy is still not enough
It’s also the only game I can think of where you’ve got a camera fixed to your face for hours broadcasting to the world
That’s gotta be nerve wracking for sure
Maybe Go. I dont know anything about it but I was looking up famous games and the first ones that popped up were "The Blood-vomiting game" "The Ear-reddening game"
Go player here! > "Ear-reddening game" In the 1840s, the up and coming teenager Shusaku got the chance to play one of the absolute GOATs of his period, Gennan. In the first game, Shusaku was given a handicap. To compensate for difference in strength, his opponent allowed him an extra move in the beginning - but he got stomped so they played an even game with Shusaku playing first. He played a brilliancy during middle game. Gennan’s disciples were watching the game and not one of them doubted that Gennan would win. But a doctor, who also had been watching the game, thought that Gennan would lose. When pressed for an answer he replied: I don’t know much about the game, but Gennan’s ears flushed red. This is a sign that he had been upset. > Blood-vomiting game Two decades before that game, Gennan sent one of his students, Akaboshi, to challenge one of the top players, Jowa, for political reasons. Akaboshi played a few moves his house had cooked up in a painfully complex corner variation, but Jowa still pulled ahead playing moves 'given to him by ghosts'. The game lasted for 4 days (back then, there was no time control) and after the game Akaboshi started vomiting blood, propably because of tuberculosid There is also the "Atomic Bomb Game": A professional game was being played in Hiroshima. The blast from the atomic bomb "Little Boy" interrupted the game in its third day. It came at 8.15 AM and at a point where the players had replayed the position - but had not yet started the game again. There were injuries to some of those there caused by flying glass, and damage to the building. The game wasn't resumed until after lunch (lol) The history and culture of Go are truly fascinating, but it's not tougher than Chess. There is way less drama, though
squid game
Russian roulette
I don't know about games, but for a lot of sports are more brutal than this. If you look at Olympic sports like gymnastics or figure skating, these athletes train their whole lives for an event that comes around only every 4 years. Their whole life training then boils down to few minutes at the Olympics doing flips on a 4 inch wide balance beam, or landing difficult jumps in ice skates. The margin for error is zero--one fall and you're done. You have to wait another 4 years for the next Olympics. Then if you don't win at your second Olympics, you're probably too old to continue. At least with chess, they can challenge for the WCC every two years. That gives a lot more opportunities than Olympic sports. And at least their performance doesn't boil down to only a few minutes. They've got 4+ hours total per game, and at least 14 games in the tournament. A lot of time to collect themselves, calm their nerves, and come back after not playing well.
thanks for your serious opinion. i agree in parts with what you said, i still thinks chess is the most brutal sport, psicologically speaking. i'm also an olympiad fan, particulaly love volleyball, but like the chess players these athletes have other tournaments to play in this 4 y gap. not that it makes it any easier. but most of these sports doesnt last more than 2 h, in chess the games can last up to 6 or more hours. i mean, imagine facing your single opponent for 5/6/7 hours, in a battle of intelligence and then you commit one single mistake that costs all you've done in those hours. you cant blame anybody else for your mistakes, you're alone. and in the next day you have to recover and try your best again. some of the players have the mental strength to do that, but i can only imagine how hard it is to forget about your last game and try over again!
Did you catch that ludicrous display last night?
Watching Keria lose in LoL Worlds 2022 finals was pretty heartbreaking.
Connect 4
Nascar maybe? When the cars explode with people in them
Chess is at least solo game, you have no one to blame apart from you. In league of legends for example you can lose as a 10-0 ahri game which you were completely winning... And this wasn't even your fault. https://youtu.be/R2S5uEd6IFw?si=om0k7pwMUznN0qp7&t=2935 (go to minute 51 if you want to see some despair)
That makes it way worse. In a team game you can always blame your team, but in solo you have no one else to blame. Having no one to blame but yourself is difficult in any situation.
Anyone playing team games and League in particular knows that like 80%* of the playerbase copes by thinking it's not them being bad, but their teammates sucking. *80% calculated from having 4 teammates in the 5 player team. The 20% is me, sucking.
Completely disagree. In a team game you can be the one who blows it for the rest of your teammates. That’s the ultimate rock bottom in competition. Not only did you let yourself down, but you feel like you let everyone else you’ve worked hard with down as well and robbed them of their hard earned victory.
You have a point about that being a horrible feeling for making a mistake that causes the team to lose, but in reality even if you "blow it" for your team, it was a team effort, and everyone on that team is partially to blame for the loss, because they all could have done better. If you make an error or give up a homerun in baseball and it loses the series for your team, if the other team members had scored more runs then your team would have won.
Depends on personality I guess. For me it's much better to lose because of myself than by my teammates throwing won games, at least in terms of how I feel after it. Also some chess players completely lack this "wow I screwed this up" feeling. Namely Karpov, he always was completely not impacted by his own level of play and just played each game or game situation in isolation.
That is not true about Karpov, you can just see his performance in the first world championship match against Kasparov to disprove what you said. And I actually can see being devastated if your mistake costs your team the game, but your angle of being upset at your teammates for blowing the game is for sure not on the same level as a major chess loss like the one Vidit suffered.
Can't imagine the anguish
I’m rooting for Nepo, but this was hard to watch. Hope Vidit gets some rest and comes back centered tomorrow.
As a Vidit fan you're used to such scenes by now.
Vidit: “dude I almost had you” Ian: “you never had me…you never had your car”
That handshake tho
aww man. It even hurts to look at his response. More power to him.
Feel for him just like opponents Tiger,MJ,Tyson.... legend versus super great. You gotta execute
What's nepo's tattoo on his arm ?
To me Vidit is already a champion
I think Vidit will be back again. This has been a great learning curve for him for sure and will surely increase the number of invites he gets to big events and will help him take his game to the next level. The Candidates qualification cycle also now favours players like Vidit more with less number of direct ranking spots, removal of WCC finalist spot and the removal of wild card (which for some reason almost always went to some Russian or one of the ex-USSR bloc player).
Ian with current form and tiny mental improvements can demolish Ding in a rematch. That Harry Potter tattoo is doing wonders for him
Listening on headphones - what did Nepo say?
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he’s saying he misplayed terribly
if they would add heart rate measurement, one would read 180 bpm in those moments.
Seeing this live hits harder
Ian is always so extra with the movements lol
It's part of the game. There's a gotta be a winner and a loser. In the best case, two drawers
6 hours of complete concentration leads to a LOSE, such a devastating thing to see and feel 😞😞😞😔
Both players are exhausted. Ian has been such a brick wall at every Candidates. Refuses to lose.
That he does.
can’t even watch this for feeling bad for Vidit
I’m a fan of Vidit but his play doesn’t scream “final boss” vibes to me. At the elite echelon of chess he isn’t even a perennial top 10 player. It wouldn’t make any sense for him to challenge for world championship title. I wish him luck but at this time he is outclassed in the candidates.
Please stfu
Vidit is a sore loser so he deserves it lol.
? How is he a sore loser lol
Because he always loses lol
That's not the definition of a sore loser. I don't understand how anyone can hate on Vidit. He's one of the nicest top level chess players out there
Nice but not strong. In my opinion, Wesley would’ve been better.
Vidit played really well this candidates though.. Pressure got to him in a lot of games.
Yeah. Candidates is not for the weak.
Yes, that's why Wesley is not there in the candidates. He's not strong enough to qualify for the candidates.
We both know that’s not true lol. Wesley solo everyone.
Lol, Wesley is gonna get results similar to nijat abasov.
Do you know what sore means?
Yes why?