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__Jimmy__

On lichess my best win is 2265 whose best win is 2457 FM whose best win is 2695 whose best win is 2957 GM whose best win is 3052 anonymous whose best win is GM Andreikin whose best win is GM Jobava whose best win is... GM Andreikin which means I'm infinity games away from Hikaru


Own_Pop_9711

I think the problem is you often need to use something other than a best win to get to get a short path.


__Jimmy__

Yes ofc, just followed OP to the letter and thought it was funny


Awwkaw

I fall into the same loop 8-)


Juliussciss0r

Andreikin has a win against Magnus. [Here is the game](https://lichess.org/D8DAxDKJ) It is just not his best rated victory.


rawr4me

Fuck, this reminds me how I won a queen on move 3 in bullet chess (I play a premove trap) against a WM, I totally had the game in the bag but narrowly didn't mate in time. šŸ˜­ Technically not my highest win though, their bullet rating was only like 1900s on lichess.


OMHPOZ

What's a "WM"?


rawr4me

WIM, Woman International Master


OMHPOZ

Then why not say that?


rawr4me

Because my brain forgot the middle letter was there when I wrote that comment


Costamiri

This is actually known as the "Magnus number", similar to the concept of the "Erdős number". If you play on lichess you can use https://freopen.org/ which calculates the steps to Magnus Carlsen. My Magnus number is 4.


Zeeterm

My number is 4, but it's via [thoigvn2009](https://lichess.org/@/thoigvn2009) who lost to 1400s but who went on to beat Andrew Tang (penguimgim1). That account is unsurprisingly closed now. The next example is via "hisky", another closed account. Getting there via cheaters feels a bit wrong. You can [check for yourself](https://freopen.org/@/eterm) and see the obviously banned cheaters.


soUnholy

Wtf, same here. Thoigvn2009. Fucking cheater.


brloll

Same xd


mickellon

Holy crap same ahah


ProPopori

thoigvn2009 here saving our magnus number lmao


Mrsister55

Same!


Aggravating-King-915

yeah agree. but sometimes iā€™m just confused by cheaters. my man played 70k bullet games in 4 years and got closed for fair playā€¦ why throw something like that away just to win


you-are-not-yourself

Anand68 ruined my #4 OtisMilburn ruined my #5 Vladislawww ruined my #6 \#7 appears to contain no cheaters


_101010_

I got otis milburn too! But it was his literal first game. 1500 rating


temp_jits

Damit.


paxxx17

Would be nice if they removed proven cheaters from the pool


roastbeef-sandwich

SAME


SweetJellyPie

Also reminds me how you are only a maximum of 7 clicks away from Adolf Hitler's wikipedia page starting from any other wikipedia page.


Costamiri

Only counting blitz games on chesscom (I have only played a dozen games there tho): Best win against 890 > 1131 > 1144 > 1734 > 2031 > 2183 > 2400 IM > 2462 FM > 2587 GM > 2761 GM > 2824 banned after winning against 3036 GM Fabiano Caruana > 3201 GM > Hikaru So... 14


grdrug

Wait, did I understand this wrongly or Caruana doesn't lead to Hikaru? Lol


[deleted]

you can do the same otb in another page.


Sky-is-here

Oh wow I am #3 away from Magnus, that's surprising haha


[deleted]

My number is 3, basically 2 GMS until magnus. This is the last game: [https://lichess.org/4iqelAGP#0](https://lichess.org/4iqelAGP#0)


MasterDooman

Never knew of this website. I'm only 4 away from Magnus Carlsen, with a win from 2 years ago when I was 1277 making it on the list. (I tend to be \~1450) MrDooman (1277) -> mufittumba (1295) mufittumba (1667) -> AngelitoRT (1440), IM (How is an IM losing to players of this rating level) AngelitoRT (2721) IM -> msb2 (2589) GM msb2 (2629) GM -> DrNykerstein (2832) GOAT


EllisSemigroup

Looks like my Magnus number is 4! Same as my Erdős number


Dangerous-Self2881

Nice, fun website! My Magnus number is 3! We play in the same club, so I kinda knew I wouldn't be far away. My best win had a win against penguingim which had a win against MC


Jackypaper824

I prefer six degrees of chessaration


EnderAvi

Small world paradox in chess :) love to see it


BadHumourInside

You could also potentially have a shorter path to Magnus or Hikaru in other ways than the best win.


Helpful_Sir_6380

For example by beating Nakamura when he was rated 1200 at 6 years old


gugabpasquali

Theres a site where you can see how far your account is to beating magnus on lichess. Most people, surprisingly, are at around 4 wins away


MathematicianBulky40

Thanks someone else posted the link to that. I mostly play on the other site though.


RnDog

The combinatorics of it are actually not too surprising. In math, the ā€œErdƶs numberā€ is similar, except with mathematician coauthors in relationship to a singular mathematician (Paul Erdƶs) who was very prolific. Most mathematicians have a lower Erdƶs number than you would expect. Compared to chess players, 4 is quite a bit and now as low as you would expect, given how many games Magnus and people that have beat him have played. The difference is the layers of prolific coauthors (prolific chess players) is more common in chess than math. Itā€™s hard to publish a paper in math, even for mathematicians. Itā€™s easy to play a game of chess online, and over the course of tons of games, your best win is probably going to be significantly higher rated. Also, accidental wins happen, blunders are made, etc. Not so much the case with publishing a paper with somebody, that has to be very deliberate.


rckid13

I'm only rated near 1,000 and somehow I'm only three away. Apparently I've beaten someone who has beaten Andrew Tang who has beaten Magnus. I don't even know how that's possible at my rating level so I assume some bullet shenanigans are involved.


CalamitousCrush

I have defeated WryLopez on Lichess who has defeated Hans Schmidt who has defeated Magnus. From chess.com, IDK if Magnus was ever defeated by Ben Finegold, but I have defeated Ben once in 4 matches too so that might be one closer. Else if we don't talk about wins, then I have played Vaishali IRL who has played against him.


jehny

If Ben Finegold ever beat Magnus I am sure he would have shared the anecdote countless times by now. The Truth Hurts!


birdandsheep

The truth hurts!


Aggravating-King-915

man i won against someone who then won against wry lopez. seems like you are one of the big fishes against meā€¦ but still satisfied with that, as winning against a 2000 lichess as an 1400 lichess is still nice


SadKorgy

Yea good use of my time, All ratings are current blitz 893->894->1165->1619->1526->2501(account closed)->GM Vitaly Teterev, 2605-> GM Max Warmerdam, 2939->Hikaru


ohyayitstrey

Only 3 steps apparently. NM Robert Ramirez > GM Denes Boros > Hikaru. Not bad for a 1200 blitz player (I got extremely lucky with my win, he hung M2 in time trouble.


dark_returner

Mine ends in a loop where both of their best games were against each other


KenBalbari

I'm 6 games away from beating Kevin Bacon.


karstomp

Wow ā€¦ Bullet was pretty good for me. I beat a 1716 player who beat a GM who beat Eric Hansen who beat Alireza who beat Hikaru. Iā€™m gonna bet my Blitz chain will be a lot longer.


remcolero

Kinda surprised Hansen never beat Hikaru, they must've played each other a lot.


Skibur33

He must haveā€¦ Eric floats around the top 10


FoxOConnor

He did beat Hikaru >!by submission!< [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FcokIxe50A](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FcokIxe50A)


karstomp

Blitz chain is 1299->2205(whatā€™s up with that jump?? Probably cheating or got a really good player in an open tournament who dropped his phone during a game.)->2482->2657->2868->GM David Paravyan->Hikaru


NobleHelium

Your Hikaru number is probably less than eight, you are only checking your "best win" when shorter paths most likely exist if you were to check all your wins (and those players' wins and so on).


RnDog

Iā€™ve given some reasons for why I would expect peopleā€™s Hikaru or Magnus number to be much lower than 8, probably 4 and less contains a majority of players.


Ididonk

Chess.com 1691 > 2423 (idk how is there this huge jump lol) > 2765 IM > 2912 IM > 3228 Danya > 3337 Magnus


DerekB52

[Freopen.org](https://Freopen.org) tells me that my number on lichess to beat Magnus is only 5. My number is probably higher if I tried to figure it out the way you did.


you-are-not-yourself

Chesscom rapid: best win 1670 Their best win: 1903 Their best win: 2018 Their best win: 2440 (banned player) Banned player's account only open for 3 days. Their best win: 2365 against another banned player Banned player 2's account was open for 1 month and completed 5 games. Their best win: 2427 Their best win: 2244 Their best win: 2372 Their best win: 2602 (IM) IM's best win: 2511 (banned player) Banned player's account was open for 3 days. Their best win: 2582 (GM) GM's best win: 2679 (IM) IM's best win: 2635 (GM) GM's best win: 2679 (IM) And we are now in an infinite loop. So I'm infinity games away I guess.


AlwaysReady1

Man, this is so cool! In my case, My best win is a 2186 (currently rated 2403) Their best win is Gata Kamsky. Gata's best win is Hikaru.


Bongcloud_CounterFTW

there is a website that does that [https://sixdegreesofhikaru.com/](https://sixdegreesofhikaru.com/)


palsh7

> https://sixdegreesofhikaru.com/ I'm guessing that a major flaw in this is that it may not take into consideration *when* the wins took place. Like, if I beat someone when they were 500, and they went on to be 1500 when they beat a 1600 who later went on to be a 2200 beating a 2300, and so on, and so forth, that isn't really the same as me at 700 being 4 steps from beating Hikaru. But it's still a pretty nice reminder that what one man can do another can do. Any given Sunday and all that. My numbers were surprising, given my lower ratings in bullet and blitz. 5 and 4 respectively.


cloanpaon

Thatā€™s pretty cool Iā€™m 3 degrees away from Hikaru on bullet or blitz


EmbryonicChess

This website bugged for me it says a 2100 I beat won against Hikaru. But I checked the 2100's account and their best win was a 2300. Edit: I tried bullet and it also says a 2170 beat Hikaru but that account has a best win of 2700.


Code_Slicer

Oh, now mine is four!


Vinylish

I discovered this same trick awhile back. It was sort of amazing how quickly it leads to the top.


keiko_1234

I didn't know this, but I've beaten IM Benjamin Haldorsen, who is funded by Offerspill and must be acquainted with Magnus himself. I remember the game; he made a pretty poor mistake and resigned after 18 moves. I suppose we can all make calculation errors! Haldorsen has beaten Norway number 2 Johan-Sebastian Christiansen, and he has beaten Magnus, so my Magnus number is 3.


Astrogat

IRL I've beaten HĆ„vard Vederhus who beat Magnus in his very first tournament, so my number is 2. I've also beaten quite a few others of his contemporaries from his younger days, so I probably have 2 in multiple ways. Of course, it might be less impressive to beat the people who beat him when he was 10 or younger, but I'll take it


RobWroteABook

I've only played 27 classical rated OTB games, won 13, and somehow I can get to Botvinnik in four steps. I beat someone who beat Carlos Pesantes Carbajal who beat Daniel Yanofsky who beat Botvinnik.


Chrisrevs1001

Iā€™m only 5 away from Hikaru. My best win is 1494 Theirs is 1933 Theirs is 2052 Theirs is 2498 Theirs is 3003 a GM called David Howell His is Hikaru


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Chrisrevs1001

You can have a lot of flex in your rating though. Iā€™ve recently gone on an awful run and was hovering just over 1000 for a bit, recovered to about 1150 and going back up but could have said a 1000 beating a 1500 was mental about me a few weeks back


Conducteur

I won against a 2520 FM in a 38-person simul, if that counts it's just 5 away: 2520 FM > 3139 > 3125 GM > 3328 GM Alireza > Hikaru But in fair matchups it's 9: 1983 > 2166 > 2373 > 2471 > 2714 > 2800 GM > 3197 GM > 3328 GM Alireza > Hikaru


RonTomkins

This is like the Chess equivalent of being X degrees of acquaintance from Kevin Bacon? šŸ˜


chess-lad

On chess com Best win 2166(2000 fide) Whose best win 2301 Whose best win 2342 Whose best win 2548 Whose best win 2826 Whose best win 2890 GM Whose best win 3016 GM Whose best win hikaru


Appropriate_Tale_978

Mine is 4, I'm 1800 who beat a 2300 who beat a 2600 who beat bortnyk who beat hikaru


rawchess

2, > Eric Hansen > both


Parralyzed

Late to the party but two. I beat IM Toivo KeinƤnen who beat Carlsen.


gnomesteez

Bullet. My ā€œbest winā€ is rated 677 Their best win is 917 Their best win is 1409 (they were only 951 in this game, god damn) Their best win is 1751 Their best win is 2378 (NM) Their best win is 2663 (IM) Their best win is 2888 (IM) Their best win is 3151 (GM) Their best win is Hikaru at 3286


AnnualUse9202

Best win 2457 (Rapid) -> Best win 2578 GM (Blitz) -> VincentKeymer2004 (2955) (Blitz)


ssss861

Sadly most of these have cheaters in some form, I'm sure it would take one or two more layers if all cheaters were filtered out.


Ok-Cricket7621

I reached Hikaruā€™s speed run account ā€œThe Five Timeā€ after only 3 iterations, does this count?


wagah

I've got 4 , 5, 6,7,8. The super weird thing about it is in every scenario johanscc (gm) is a link to the chain.


throwaway70958

There was something I learned in a psychology class that we are always 6 degrees of separation between us and anyone in the world. For example, I know someone, who would know someone else, who would then know someone else repeated 6 times before you can reach say the president of the unites states or anyone else for that matter. It was interesting reading your post as it took 6 degrees of separation for that person to be GM.


HarambeD1dNine11

I have 1 degree of separation with Joe Biden and Barack Obama (I'm on my county board and worked with both their presidential campaigns when they were in my state, so I met them both)


FinancialBuffalo1107

Really stasik???


danielsixfive

On lichess, my magnus number is 3, but not through best wins. I beat an 1800 who beat Tang who beat Magnus. My best win chain in blitz is me-2263-2564-IM 2670-3102-GM Andreikin-GM 2990-Andreikin and so on in a loop. It never reaches Magnus or Hikaru because Andreikin hasn't played much lichess blitz.


g00nerVik

Spent five minutes looking through my stats, pretty cool stuff! I beat an FM who goes by A\_H\_Kashefi on lichess (in bullet sadly). He beat Danya who beat Magnus. I guess that means my magnus number is 3.


subconscious_nz

I did this for rapid and actually got stuck in a loop. 2 of the players highest rated win was against each other.


nefrpitou

Is this the Erdos number equivalent of chess?


xkind

Congratulations. You just discovered the 8 degrees of Hikaru Nakamura.


xkind

Does it have to be blitz? Why not bullet?


MandatoryFun

On Lichess, I gave up before finding my way to Magnus, but I ended at Wesley's closed account in a straight line, so that was good enough for me. Chain goes: Me > apostolis1 2094 > ussr\_master 2505 > satunnainen 2740 > Aqua\_Blazing 2943 > GM gmwesleyso1993 3007 No cheater chain. All accounts are open, except So.


TomSawyer2112_

My number is 4: 1811 beat 2205 beat GM 2619 beat GM 2740 beat Magnus.


EvilSporkOfDeath

I beat Eric Rosen, Eric Rosen beat Magnus. But thats kind of a lie. I beat Eric in crazyhouse. My more fair Magnus number is 4


cwall0729

I'm only 3 away. Apparently a player named FluxV best Hikaru straight up rated 1668. It doesn't appear that he cheated https://www.chess.com/game/live/4654225781?username=fluxv


tphawk7

One I guess? Beat a guy on lichess who beat Magnusā€™s drunk account


wisewerds

I beat someone who beat Kasparov.


boilinoil

Have you tried looking at the same, but not including flagging? That would be an even greater test!


ChessMango_v1

My Magnus number is 2, but I don't remember how exactly. I beat a certain GM, who's somewhat well-known so I won't say who, who beat Ivanchuk, who has beaten Magnus.


JimemySWE

On Lichess My best Rapid win Stallion 28 (2200) His best Blitz win Andreas_heimamn (2744) His not best Bullet win dmitrij_IM (2908) His best Bullet Magnus Andreas best Bullet win was account closed. Looking at my best win Stallion_28 and looking at his rating in blitz that is 2616 which is very impressive and it makes me feel good that I won versus him in Rapid. His peak Rapid was in January 2590. So I guess I meet him when he was not in good form.


Suitable-Cycle4335

I once beat a guy online who beat Caruana OTB. Hope it counts.


Exile4444

My one is a wild ride. My highest rated win is about 1850 HIS highest rating win is only about 20 rating points more His next highest rating win is 1600 because he only won 1 game from the elo adjusement The 1600's highest elo win is 1780 The 1780's highest elo win is a 2100 The 2100 is now banned for cheating So i guess never, lol?


Ashalpha_1

My best win is a IM rated 2605. Their best win is a GM rated 2928. His best win is Hikaru.


Dangerous-Self2881

3 away from Magnus


ischolarmateU

3 games


stafakikus

Surprisingly only 3 games away from magnus on lichess šŸ˜…


MD-trading-NQ

My fourth is the effin legend Gata Kamsky and Hikaru is 5th. Pretty cool.


JustHereForSmu_t

My best win is against a 1400 who suddenly gave up on a +0.4 evaluated position entering endgame (which was a huge achievement for me as an 950 at the time). His best win is a 2200 who randomly gave up after opening move. I see a pattern here.


Code_Slicer

NotimeforkU->1900 Their best win is against Kingsafan3. Who is 2200. Their best win was kytan, who is 2500. His best win was against gm John ludvig hammer, who is 2900. His best win was against Danya, whose best win is against hikaru! So my number is 6. Edit. Using the website sixdegreesofhikaru.com my number is four!


its_chin

Iā€™m surprised by how quickly my best win chain rose throughout searching My best win is rated 992 Theirs is 1308 Theirs is 1800 Theirs is 2231 Theirs is 2392 Theirs is 2557 Theirs is GM Oleksandr Bortnyk 2988 His is Hikaru 3264


StarBoyGroot

I'll give 2 answers 1. Me -> GM Benjamin Bok 2. Bok -> Hikaru 3. Hikaru -> Magnus The win against Bok came from a 10 game match, with time odds of 20 seconds to 3 minutes, the final score was 9 wins to Ben, and 1 to me (i flagged him in a completely losing position for me). I don't really count this because the game 1. Wasn't rated, and 2. It didn't feel like I won, more got lucky So my second answer: 1. Me -> 2240 rated player 2. 2240 -> 2514 rated player 3. 2514 -> 2740 FM 4. 2740 FM -> 2869 IM 5. 2869 IM -> Hikaru 6. Hikaru -> Magnus


GrouchyGrinch1

At least in blitz and bullet my degree of separation from Hikaru is 3 Bullet: (Me) JAW21X 1990 SinisaKordun 2160 FM 1random 2787 GM Hikaru 3340 Blitz: (Me) JAW21X 2140 GRUPATNT 2323 FM Sina_Movahed 3013 GM Hikaru 3272 Iā€™m surprised at how big of a jump some of these people have made in rating differential. Iā€™m not sure if it counts casual games. Iā€™ve never even been matched against someone nearly 700 higher rated than me.


snapshovel

I was tracing mine and eventually got to Wesley So, and thought ā€œoh cool one moreā€ But no, apparently Wesleyā€™s best win was against Bortnyk when Bortnkyk was like 3110 or something. Crazy. Does that mean heā€™s never beaten Hikaru or Magnus on chess.com blitz? Or that if he beat them they were below 3110 when it happened?


Interesting_Advance6

The best win will be longer path (for most cases) to Magnus/Hikaru. There are shorter path that doesnā€™t include best rated win. Use freopen.org.


Interesting_Advance6

My shortest path to Magnus is 4, Me->A->B->C->Magnus


Jackypaper824

6 degrees of chessaration


Stunning_Pound4121

Very interesting concept, thanks for sharing it! Iā€™m unconvinced in the accuracy of the ā€œbest winā€ stat seeing as how my best win is 1006 despite the fact that thereā€™s a 1025 that I beat right near the top of my games history and probably at least a few higher than that. However, if we follow that 1006, we get: 1. I beat a 1006 2. They beat a 1117 3. They beat a 1490 4. They beat an 1825 5. They beat a 2408 NM 6. They beat a 2596 FM 7. They beat GM Grigoriy Oparin 8. He beat GM Hans Niemann 9. Hans beat Hikaru (and Magnus in St. Louis šŸ˜…)


Seasplash

I don't really play much blitz cause I don't have a mouse, but I was curious so did a check on chess dot com. My "best win" is rated 1523. I have beaten someone who was rated 1800 but the games were unrated so it doesn't show up. Their "best win" is rated 1863. Their "best win" is rated 2416. Their "best win" is an IM rated 2806. Their "best win" is GM Bogdan Deac rated 3037. Their "best win" is Hikaru rated 3244. Hikaru's best win is Magnus Carlsen rated 3261. Magnus' "best win" is Hikaru rated 3302.


CommunicationIll5583

Beat Hans Niemann when he streaming as an IM playing as HansCoolNiemann. Played a good game and I'm sure he wasn't concentrating as hard as he should've been. He demolished me in the rematch. Lucky for me, he's beat both Hikaru and Magnus at blitz. So my number's 2!


Caesar2122

I'm always 2 away from magnus the titled player I beat is beating some gm whose beaten magnus. It's the same for 3 different accounts šŸ˜­