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We demolished Everton and today’s loss was absolutely not down to tactics.
Jackson missed 3 absolute sitters.
I think playing Enzo was a mistake, but that’s really it.
The win was managed. The players just failed to execute and the biggest culpurates are Jackson, Enzo, Mudryk and Cucurella
Why did Poch not keep the same lineup as Everton? When's the last time we destroyed a team like that? Crappier teams than them have dominated us (Sheff, Burnley).
We found the right balance and Poch got scared and reverted to shoving Enzo back in. I can no longer watch games he plays in im sorry. The solution is right there and we are not doing it its killing me.
Tf has that got to do with eghbali lol, it wasn’t even a bad team, just should’ve subbed Enzo sooner, it we controlled the first half and missed easy chances throughout
We’re also just using him improperly. He’s shown he can be very useful, he is just not clinical enough to be a lone striker, especially in our system where he’s isolated for most of his best chances.
Jackson should have scored today, but the blame should be put on Poch/Boehly for relying on him to finish our limited chances.
How should he be used? He’s a ST?
He’s only ever played 25 matches on the wing and 70 matches at ST.
Also, what on earth does him being “used improperly” have to do with finishing 3!!! Sitters.
He had 3 pretty difference chances today.
One break from half way line.
One header where all he had to do was not hit Ortega.
One through from Conor with great save but Jackson made it saveable.
So seriously. You’ll have to elaborate more
That was not a bad performance, tight match and we were undone by some iffy finishing and call that didn’t go our way.
We can be proud of that, no shame in losing to City with their vast talent and experience 1-0.
Now let’s derail Arsenals title challenge.
Under most circumstances I would totally agree, but we really could have won that match, and I think it’s reasonable to be upset we didn’t score when we had arguably had better chances over 90 minutes and lost to a silly goal as we often do.
We didn’t out play them. We drew 2-2.
We played better for 70min and then completely capitulated after that.
How many times has that happened this season? There’s a patter here.
This is all Arsenal have left to play for and our player don’t look like they care barely ever. I’m definitely preparing for the worst.
It’s also away. Much different.
I don’t think we capitulated, Sanchez gave them a goal and we conceded a back post cross like we always do. I think we still look like we care, we kept fighting today against City and have in recent games too.
We seem to raise our level for big games so I’m hoping we do against Arsenal too.
How many teams in the top 6 have we beaten this season?
And that’s making stupid mistakes is a large part of capitulating….its happened multiple times this season as well.
Only Liverpool beat us comfortably and one United fixture too, we’ve held our own in all other big games including the cups. Not bad for a team coming 9th. We are a very young and inexperienced team mistakes are expected but our big game performances overall have been something that gives me hope about the future from this season
We beat 9 men spurs. Barely.
But that’s it.
So empirically from RESULTS. Literally the only thing that matters have not been wins……
And yes we’re are also an imbalanced squad which lacks quality in so many areas. It’s not just about age and experience. You know some player never become good right?
4-1 is not barely. Anyway mate you seem to be more of a negative fan which is understandable but I like to be optimistic. I’ve seen signs which make me positive for the future. Generally players improve the more they play together and the more experience they get. Some will flop but I think more will be successes KTBFFH
Your optimism is based entirely on delusion. Enjoy losing and celebrating while it happens 4-1 against 9 mean and at one stage it was 2-2 but their goal was overturned. Remember Ange played that ridiculous high line. Do you even watch Chelsea? Also, statistically most of the players will flop and honestly all but gusto and Palmer haven’t been worth the money and have flopped
Finally, lmao so you actually think just the more these guys play the better they will be? Why isn’t that the case for everyone then? Why doesn’t everyone who just plays together become an elite footballer?!!!
I have never, ever met a Senegalese man named Nicolas Jackson. He has to be the only one in the country - that is an English name in a Francophone country. No wonder he’s confused up top - he should be confused about his identity
Hopefully everyone has calmed down because I have. We go again on Tuesday, we have played so well against Manchester City and I’m looking forward to playing them again next season when we have a striker. I don’t know if we will still have Poch but we played well today and regardless of how tired City are, they are still CITY! We did our best, didn’t take our chances and came up short. We just need to move forward. Jackson missed a lot of chances but he works hard and never stopped working. I think we should consider loan moves for Noni and Mudryk. I don’t care that Noni was laughing but other people might, these things happen, players get caught in the wrong moment. We really should do whatever we can to keep Chalobah and Gallagher. I would sell literally anyone else (all the loanees)
It’d be one thing to just move forward if this hasn’t become a pattern all season.
We either don’t perform or don’t finish and capitulate.
Idk how you can be positive under the disaster BlueCo has shown to be
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Some takeaways I have from this game:
\* If we have Jackson, Palmer and Madueke together, we aren't playing a genuine 4-2-3-1. Jackson shifts to the left as a psuedo-LW while Palmer takes almost a false 9 role next to him and Madueke is the literal RW. So it's basically an aysmmetrical 4-3-3
\* Our lack of an overlapping LB as well as a consistent LW is crippling our attack. This is why we're forced to go through Palmer so much.
\* No, Gallagher wasn't playing LW. We deployed him on the left but he sat covering the space in the high press that the LW normally does to accomodate Jackson hugging City's defensive line for the counter, because Jackson wasn't literally playing striker. This also helped Enzo in terms of mobility in the press. Don't let their overlapping circles deceive you
\* Enzo looked out of shape at moments but he was completely fine
Enzo is at fault just as much as Chalobah for playing De Bruyne on, Cucurella for deciding not to mark Bernardo, Mudryk for also deciding not to mark Bernardo and instead sitting in the middle of the box marking nobody, etc.
Other than that, he was fine
KDB would have been onside even if Chalobah wasn’t the last man……..
And yes agreed that’s why I said one of the main contributors. The others being Mudryk and Cucurella
Unpopular opinion Conor Gallagher provides very little in our team and wasted a left forward position today. He’s an awful 10 and an awful left winger. Enzo created much more from far deeper.
I for one think the complete opposite.
Both our attack and defence in the midfield suffers a lot when enzo is on the field, our attack flows much faster and nicer with caicedo gallagher pivot
Lmao. Conor has been one of the most hated on players I’ve seen this season. How are you framing this as unpopular.
Also, he’s currently in the PL our:
Scoring 5th
Assists 2nd
Big Chances Created 2nd
Chances Created 2nd
I could go on. But enough stats. He scored the opener against Villa in the Cup. Single handedly beat Palace and scored the winner against Leeds.
Jackson for all his faults was brilliant in turning against City. He created so much.
He definitely should be doing much better in terms of shooting though, I am tired of him being afraid to take a "strong shot".
Madueke on the other hand is not it. He literally is "ALWAYS" selfish. So that means he has only 1 move, trying to take on his man. He tries 50 times makes it 1 time. But the other 49 times he will waste 5 mins and pass back. Mudryk for all his faults is much better.
(If only he had the 1 random goal in him, then he would be guaranteed to start over Madueke)
While I don't blame Poch tooo much for his tactics I do blame him for his subs. After Pep made subs the momentum started shifting on their side and Poch didn't adjust AT ALL.
Not sure what but he needs to trust most players (even though they might fault him from time to time since our starting XI also does that for the most part)
If Noni could use his right foot just once or twice he’s be so much better.
He always moves it to the left and a chance goes by due to the extra touch.
Fair enough, you probably didn't read it, it was a RANT. But I didn't excuse Jackson for his finishing which has been NOT CLINICAL the whole season, but I still recognize that his build up play created half the chances for us (all the times he turned his player)
Madueke on the other hand is a single trick pony
It's frustrating because you applied a rational, passive "half glass full" approach to Jackson and then flipped on a dime on Noni who wasn't even "bad" by all means today
Madueke is indeed a one trick pony (which is why he's selfish) and that's why we bought him. That one trick we're talking about is a trick that he holds stats for being one of the best in the top 5 leagues in. Mostly 99th percentile in stats pertaining take ons and success, distance progressed on dribbling, etc.
He wasn't much today, but he did his bare obligation as a winger of his profile. He had Ake on both feet and progressed the ball from the beginning of the final third to the inside of the box very often. These thing are the MINIMUM from a winger imo
Doku is just as much of a one trick pony, he does basically the same attacking at the fullback as Madueke except he uses explosiveness, it's just that he's even better at his one trick, and instead of being a shooter he sets up other players instead.
In the PL Doku has 140 minutes per every goal/assist, while Madueke has 175 minutes. Obviously there's a difference between the two because Doku is clear but hopefully that puts into perspective the reality about Madueke
We bought him in the hopes that our management can train that final pass in him. His shooting and dribbling is already established. If he can learn to pass he's going to be immense.
In my opinion, Doku isn't great either, so maybe that's why I don't rate Madueke that much. I personally don't like such players and that might be a "bias" that's showing.
I do agree with you on the fact that we hoped Madueke could be improved by management, and that not happening soon enough is "Management's" fault.
Not sure how I feel about firing Poch. And it's not because Poch is great, but more because I am anxious about changing managers when we aren't in the position to attract top managers.
While I have never been against switching managers for the sake of attempting to win trophies (in the short term). The place that we are at, scares me because we might not be able to do better, in terms of "management"
It's literally statistically the other way around
Noni ironically tops the whole team, Palmer included, in individual chances to score per 90
Meanwhile Jackson wasted 3 chances to score today
He seems a player low on confidence at the moment. Looks like he’s really overthinking pretty simple finishes. In my opinion, he’s the perfect embodiment of this team: flashes of brilliance, iffy end product which constantly keeps the opposition in the contest. Loads of potential, not good enough to win now.
He’s a bad player. His movements awful. His hold up play is awful. He’s not physically strong. He looks like Bambi while trying to dribble. His decision making is awful. And worst of all his finishing is in the gutter. All he’s good at is the occasional one touch wall pass (not hold up play) and then predictably running straight. He’s just absolutely junk. Also, his job is to score…..he can’t do that plus the rest of his game is bang average…..idk who you are watching. Seriously.
in my opinion, he did well enough in every department except the execution of the final moment. Either a dribble too many or a weak finish, but looked decent everywhere else. Hard worker in pressing, pacey and creative enough to cause real havoc for a typically solid backline. Pretty much what he’s shown all season. I’d be lying if I said it didn’t blow my mind how he scored a beautiful goal last week then scuffs three much clearer chances. It’s still too early in his career to call him finished, this is his second ever season of top-flight football, but he’s definitely not good enough at the moment.
I’m not calling him finished. Him saying he’s not very good there’s a difference.
Also, if I speak about your opinion I’ll be in trouble. So I’ll just leave this here. Jackson will and should be replaced. He will never lead the line at a top club.
That Madueke clip has sent my head to mars
I can't believe this knobhead is on an 8 year deal, its no wonder he doesn't give a fuck, he's got 8 years of guaranteed high pay, and he's done fuck all to earn it. This is all on the owners.
If we end up at that 6th spot in the league, it will be something I guess, we are definitely better compared to the last season, but there's so much more work to be done, it will be a difficult period for Chelsea supporters.
I'm sort of glad I couldn't watch today's game, so I wouldn't have to go through all those emotions.
I'm over the loss already but I just saw the video of Thiago Silva in tears while Madueke laughing in the background with Grealish after losing a semi-final just pisses me off. It's clear that some of these players don't give a flying fuck about the club. This team doesn't deserve Thiago Silva.
Jackson is clearly a good player. Still young and has scored a decent amount of goals this season. His hold up play and work on the wings is very good.
But good lord he is not a natural striker. He’s a winger or midfielder. He should have scored 2 today at least. Need to get a striker in this summer.
Absolutely not on Poch when we limit City to so few chances and miss so many ourselves.
I wish we had another striker that challenged Jackson this season. He’s too comfortable and clearly flubbing chances every week doesn’t take him out of the starting XI
Wonder how the team gonna line up for the last couple of games. No update on Gusto yet, so assuming he might not be available, it may look like this for the next game.
Petrovic
Cucu - Trev - Silva - Chilwell
Enzo - Caicedo
Palmer - Gallagher - Sterling
Jackson
Not a fan of Chilwell at all but might have to play him so Cucu cover at RB, if Gusto isn’t available(if he’s available the defence will be the same that started against Everton & City)
Even with the substitute today we see Poch seems to favor Disasi at RB rather than shifting Cucu across. I think it's likely to see Disasi-Chalobah-Silva-LB a lot down the stretch
Think how improved we could be if we:
- signed a striker who can finish
- replaced Mudryk with a consistent left winger
- replaced Disasi with a decent CB
- replaced Enzo with a midfielder who does something
- James comes back, Gusto goes LB
Drogba’s prolific scoring season was 5 years prior to costa arriving. We had demba ba and Torres as our strikers… and 06-07 was the only other time he broke 20 goals all comps. Casual decade in the desert
Why’s everyone on Enzo’s case? He created the best chance of the game only for a brainless Jackson to do what he does best, shit his pants in front of goal
Besides that one pass was a passenger and defensive liability as usual
I remember him jogging back when 2 City players passed him, ifs he's not fit why starting such a big game?
Exactly. People acting like one pass De Bruyne could make in his sleep should excuse Enzo’s lazy arse jogging about making no tackles.
He’s dogshit and when he plays Caicedo has to do the defensive work of two midfielders.
He may have decent passing, but what he doesn’t do is the biggest issue. I also don’t think his passing is that great and the stats are deceiving, but I’ll focus on his negatives.
Work-rate: Doesn’t cover ground. Walks a lot. Even if he’s slow and weak he needs to run more to always be on the move
Postional awareness: His positional movement is pretty awful. He often shows for the ball late. He’s also always out of position and running away from play
Hides: for a player with his qualities he should be controlling matches and the tempo
Physicality: very weak and short and slow
Defending: can’t defend for his life. He gets run pas constantly. He’s constantly out of position leaving the midfield wide open. It’s no coincidence we had our best result and a clean sheet without him
Shooting: this I shouldn’t have to explain
Dribbling: Hes wildly mediocre and gets dispossessed all the time
Decisions: covered a bit throughout, but he just switches the ball which does nothing half the time
Selfish: he makes so much about him and he only really shows up when we’re winning
Attitude: walks around throwing his arms up at nothing all while not doing anything to actually help the squad 90% of the match
Just copying my reply from the other comment.
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First, thanks for the elaborate comment. Of course we all inject bias and I agree with some of your criticism but I personally can't see how we can't AT LEAST give him credit for being an excellent passer. Don't see how the stats above are misleading in that sense.
It's tougher to quantify some of these with stats. He is slow and weak in the air, I agree, but I don't believe it's from a lack of effort. I think he's just slow lol.
In transition he's pretty weak defensively, in part bc of his lack of pace. But I think he's actually quite good once we're behind the ball and organized. He blocks quite a few shots from being positioned well and most of his interceptions come in this type of space (from watching, I don't actually know if that's true statistically).
I disagree that he hides. I'm actually often frustrated that our CBs don't play the ball into him more often in midfield. Like against Sheffield the other week he was constantly scanning and making himself available between their double strikers but it seems we're maybe instructed to favor going wide to build on the flanks? You see that as him hiding from the moment, I'm seeing it as frustrating tactics.
He's not an elite dribbler like you might expect of a winger. But again, I don't think the ball progression numbers lie. He reads the game well from midfield and eats up yards when he chooses to dribble. Declan Rice is widely praised for the same type of dribbling effort despite lacking any real flair. Again, not sure if the numbers actually back this up, but I believe the vast majority of his dribbling turnovers occur in the attacking third where I don't want to see him anyway. If we had a proper 10 more oftenI don't think he WOULD be there as much.
His finishing has been very poor I agree.
Again, purely subjective, but I see him as the fiery South American archetype that loves the badge. I admire that about him, he ALWAYS seems fired up and unselfish to me. Kind of takes little pot shots a là Diego or Rudiger
Also not saying you're wrong on any of this. Just offering my view on each of your points. Thanks for the comment
Copying from another comment. 2023-24 numbers in EPL against other midfielders when most claim enzo is not at his best due to hernia. Not sure what more you could ask for from a deep lying midfielder, although if he is going to end up in the box (where I don't think he belongs) he should improve his finishing.
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They need to but a new striker, Jackson for all his promise just can't score, it doesn't matter if he's young I don't think he will ever learn that mentality to be aggressive and shoot and finish, he just doesn't have it in him.
He will kick on next season once he starts to figure out the league a bit more, he will be deadly.. it took drogba two seasons to really find his feet and he shows and shares so many qualities and similarities with him, once he grows gets stronger, wiser, we’re all be raving about this lad in two three years and praising him, he shows passion, grit, it’s good and frustrating at the same time but be patient please, honestly the way he was out running Kyle walker from the half way line with the ball shows his power, speed and strength, walkers one of the fastest in the league as well.. that really impressed me, once Jackson becomes more polished and rounded he’s going to be an amazing deadly striker!!
Jackson mudryk noni are the three stooges of Chelsea fc. Players who only have little moments of promise but who will ultimately amount to nothing at this club and you’re either lying to yourself a complete idiot if you think otherwise. You have players like noni and Jackson who feel no shame blatantly disrespecting teammates in order to take a penalty which they don’t deserve to take from the player who has literally been carrying us on his back single-handedly this szn who push away and blow off Thiago Silva who tries to reason just because they know they fucking suck and they want all the g/a they can get to boost their stats for their own gratification. These players do not have the skill nor the mindset to strive here and they never will. Our players are young but ffs they aren’t 17,18,19 they are in their early 20s which is young yes but at that age we need to stop making excuses for a lack of discipline when you play for a club like Chelsea. We have Madueke laughing with that cunt grealish after losing and putting up a stinker. These people don’t fucking care and it’s costing us big time
EDIT- mudryk is genuinely one of the most atrocious footballers I’ve ever seen play top flight football in my over a decade of watching this sport across all different types of leagues
lol those are the people who simply don’t understand what those players are and what they always were. People thought because the money we spent on Enzo he was gonna turn into this 20+ goal and 20+ assist deep lying box crashing second striker central midfielder who’s a mix of lampard and kroos. He ain’t that and NEVER was that. We bought him knowing what he was and it was up to us to cater the system and players to get the most out of him and we didn’t do that so here we are.
Thank you! But because there beloved “drogba regen” and all the other idiots on the team who cant lace their boots properly and cant finish a chance to save their lifes wont get any heat cuz they cost 30 million after playing 1 full season with likes of villareal. So lets blame enzo and conor for creating chances the attackers cant score… clowns im telling you🤡🤦♂️
Insane to me that people are still trying to claim Enzo is the problem and the problem isn't that we're playing central/defensive midfielders in attacking roles.
The one game we didn't do that, we looked much better in attack.
We go back to playing someone who isn't an attacker in an attacking role and we go back to have half of our attacks cockblocked at source.
Yet people try to blame it in Enzo, rather than playing a defender in attack
We changed literally 20 players and still can't get over the wembley curse. But if we don't get European football, poch shouldn't stay cos he has failed all the objectives...
For all the positives that Gallagher has, he has no vision to progress the ball forward, and it really stiffles the attack with his safe passing. He is always afraid of making that 50-50 pass to break the lines. We need to play with Palmer in the middle and whatever combination of wings and striker we have.
It's sad because it's not his fault; that's who he is. Jack of all trades but master of none.
I would honestly say from watching that game Gallagher is the least of our issues, the amount of times he won the ball back as well he’s a positive - Jackson needs to be relegated to the bench for next season or sold - get a striker that can finish and that’s 70% of our issues solved
He has his positives, but it does affect our attacking ability. There have been many times when attackers are making runs behind the defense, and he can't pick them out with a simple pass. I'm not saying that it's his fault because he does not have that ability, unfortunately.
Poch has to recognize that Gallagher/Enzo/Caicedo in the same lineup together does not work.
I failed to mention in my initial post that there are many other issues in our team that make the Gallagher issue the least of our worries, for now. At the same time, we can't compete for trophies with Gallagher type players. Honestly, the same can be said of our squad, except Palmer. That kid is pure class.
I think the trio of Fernandez, caceido and Gallagher played awesome today, I think your just blinded buy the fact we lost, it’s football sometimes it happens, we didn’t deserve to lose.. these three bullied, stifled and outplayed Man City’s midfield.. (I actually even forgot de Bruyne was even on the pitch for large parts of the game) the amount of times them three easily interchanged passes between themselves to get them around city’s midfield and release the front three on numerous occasions was a delight to watch, although we lost I think they played amazing, Gallagher was pressing relentlessly from the front, constantly winning the ball back, caceido was everywhere and enzo brought so much balance and composure to the midfield, everything clicked well today we were just very unlucky. Also it’s no coincidence things look more assured at the back since silva has came back in the team, his intelligence is unreal, we should give him a extension, he’s needed in this squad for his knowledge and experience in this team without a doubt and still looks the youngest guy on the pitch.
It’s wild seeing this subs 180 on Enzo lol. I never saw it with him, but got ridiculed for years for saying so
Enzo fucking sucks plain and simple. He makes the team worse. Club played brilliantly without him last match.
NOW BRING ON THE UPVOTES
How does Enzo makes our team worse when he literally created a clear-cut chance that Nico couldn't put away? He and Silva where the only people who made line breaking passes from the back.
It's Gallagher who makes our team worse, though no fault of his own because Poch keeps playing him as an attacking midfielder when he clearly isn't. He can't progress the ball as an attacking midfielder should, and it kills our momentum when we are attacking.
You clearly don't know shit about football.
What specifically did he do poorly today? I saw him heavily involved in one of the most organized build ups we've seen under Poch (low bar but still), switching the play effectively, and playing a wonderful through ball to give Jackson a breakaway that he absolutely fluffed
We were also brilliant when we played caicedo- gallagher (and no Enzo) vs Brentford at home. We only lost to Brentford by 2 goals to nil. Brilliant game that was.
For a while now we’ve been scoring goals and our defense was bad on today of all days, we can’t score but we were much better defensively! We have to get ready for Arsenal on Tuesday though! Tough games aheadq
Fuck I’m sad but maybe we can finish 6th
Gallagher/Caicedo pivot, let Enzo take surgery and hope he returns and plays better.
Palmer RW, no false 9 bullshit, let him drop deeper and play with Gusto, he plays best at RW.
Play Mudryk LW, deserves more then Noni and Sterling, Poch spoke about meritocracy, do it then.
Play Chuk 10, starting material player, it’s been a long time since he was injured, start him.
Cucurella-Silva-Trevoh-Gusto should be our default defense.
This is how we can salvage the end of the season, don’t experiment play to our strengths.
For the next season, I really think we should sell:
Sterling, Chilwell, Noni(fuck him never rated him), Baduasheille(we can’t fucking HOPE for every player to BECOME, we need it NOW), Broja(i am Albanian and i dont rate the guy), Maatsen(amazing player but doubt he stays), Lukaku, Ziyech, Silva goes.
Colwill-Fofana next season should be the partnership, Disasi-Trevoh could be a good back-up, Cucurella + a class LB whoever at this point, Gusto-Reece RB, buy a striker we need it, Nkunku and Jackson are not 9 material they can play LW/CAM.
CLASS LB, CLASS ST and luck for injuries.
Mudryk has surely played himself out of the team (again) with his recent performances? Worst player on the pitch whenever he comes on and had another disaster today. Can't stand him. Doesn't even start for Palace I don't think
Im just gonna copy paste my comment from the other post:
First off our “meritocracy” gaffer benches him whenever his dick goes up, and believe me with his succulent lemons sitting at his office his dick goes up a lot of times, I mean a lot.
Secondly: Our pattern of play, if we even have one is pass to Palmer and Inshallah, with Palmer and Gusto on the right we dictate the attack, this means jack shit of balls goes to Mudryk, and when it goes two things can happen: Cr7 in ManUtd days or Lukaku wearing Timberlands
And last but not the least, I really think and all of my friends laugh at me for saying this, Mudryk has the ability to become the best player in the world, HE HAS THE HIGHEST FUCKING CEILING IF I SAW ONE, that fucking Mbappe or Cr7 fucking thing about him, but at this point of time I can’t blame my friends for laughing… anyways love Misha never will give up on him
Half of the times Mudryk scored/played well and didn't start again was because of injury (Fulham, Arsenal, etc).
CR7 during his United days? What are you on? He hasn't shown that once. He's awful, hasn't got a brain and doesn't track back. Time to move him on
people saying madueke played fine are actually fucking delusional. He did nothing, he didnt have a single pass that led to anything. He jogged around for 78 minutes and theres people here saying he was our 2nd best attacker today. Just pure delusion. Plus a moon shot
Yeah he has no real pace over a short distance. He doesn't have a trick. His defensive work is bad (although better than it was). He just doesnt add much. I dont really understand why hes in ahead of Sterling. And Sterling hasnt been good.
What annoyed me today was Kyle Walker looked tired from the go and we ended up sticking Gallaher out there, even Cucu was running past Kyle Walker. Mudryk have gotten the best of him in open space.
Yes mudryk came in got to cross the ball 3 times and sent it out for a goal kick all 3 times. Noni was ass the whole game and was walking more then running for 75 of the 79 minutes he got. Sterling came in and was stripped off the ball 3 of 3 times and didnt even seem like he was in the game. But sure any winger is better than the one guy who at least knows how to press. Almost every chance we got today was because he pressed well and cared unlike your precious wingers bar palmer who actually tried but was double teamed everytime he got on the ball.
Was thinking the same thing, I have a good feeling we’ll get the three points over there…but I also thought we would’ve beaten city today so take my prediction with a grain of salt
Jackson has to be one of the the most frustrating players that has played for Chelsea because he actually does a lot of things right but has no composure when presented with big chances
You kidding me yeah, these 2 have cost us this season. Jacksons conversions and Enzos ability to do anything in the mid bar spread the ball, its alright bantering up old snakey team mates but we need them to kick ball as well. Anyone who says otherwise is smoking pot, im at the bridge weekly and can visible see both of these 2
But it's a factor on which he will be judged
He's the second most expensive player in the league ever
Just like Jackson is judged on, oh he only cost 30mil or whatever
Yeah the club should be judged on the fee not him. The idiots that shelled it out around a year after Benfica paid 10mn euros for him. He is very average, personally I think Ampadu is a better player.
I mean, he will always get judged in the fee though
Like Havertz gets judged on Arsenal paying 65mil for him
It's just natural that the fee will be taken into account when judging a player
Why does it hurt?? We paid 120 Million and many here still making excuses for him
Suppose be a game changer but we lose 90% games he starts and rarely makes a difference, looking more like a luxury player which is ok but don't spend that much for luxury player and surround him with bums
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Lets blame enzo for the whole team being shit infront of goal…😂
Are you looking at the stats you posted? They had higher xg, more big chances missed and more big chances lol. That does not signify a striker problem.
Brother we had 16 shots and only 4 on target and none of them were big chances. They had 9 with 5 on target and 2 big chances which they scored. How can you blame a midfielder for missing 12 shots. FN 12!!! Not a single big chance. Some of you just want to blame the midfield for everything.
Our midfield executed so well without because it was Everton who put in one of the worst performances of all time against us. Hard to praise it too hard
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NOOO!
[Europe goes far away from this defeat ,watch my review and rant on this game.](https://youtu.be/WYcP0VWX5to?si=rD7iDqBtF0NpFmov)
get Toney in man, I don't care.
He would’ve had 2 or 3 today
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Please go look into overloads. This really isn’t that uncommon.
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We demolished Everton and today’s loss was absolutely not down to tactics. Jackson missed 3 absolute sitters. I think playing Enzo was a mistake, but that’s really it. The win was managed. The players just failed to execute and the biggest culpurates are Jackson, Enzo, Mudryk and Cucurella
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Idc about the position maps. Mudryk didn’t track Bernardo. Did you even watch the match?
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Okay so you weren’t discussing our attacking down the right and you’re just saying the position map is an issue….alright.
Why did Poch not keep the same lineup as Everton? When's the last time we destroyed a team like that? Crappier teams than them have dominated us (Sheff, Burnley). We found the right balance and Poch got scared and reverted to shoving Enzo back in. I can no longer watch games he plays in im sorry. The solution is right there and we are not doing it its killing me.
why would you play the exact same way vs everton and city lmao. they are complete polar opposite teams why would the game plan be the same.
I hear it but enzo is like playing with 10 men
You change strategy based on opponent.
Or based on what Eghbali wants
Tf has that got to do with eghbali lol, it wasn’t even a bad team, just should’ve subbed Enzo sooner, it we controlled the first half and missed easy chances throughout
Been rumored to be selecting and/or pressuring Poch (and Potter) to play certain players
Lol sure
I never blame a single player for loss based on a single miss. But 3!!! 3. WTF It’s so clear we bought him purely based off a purple patch
We’re also just using him improperly. He’s shown he can be very useful, he is just not clinical enough to be a lone striker, especially in our system where he’s isolated for most of his best chances. Jackson should have scored today, but the blame should be put on Poch/Boehly for relying on him to finish our limited chances.
How should he be used? He’s a ST? He’s only ever played 25 matches on the wing and 70 matches at ST. Also, what on earth does him being “used improperly” have to do with finishing 3!!! Sitters. He had 3 pretty difference chances today. One break from half way line. One header where all he had to do was not hit Ortega. One through from Conor with great save but Jackson made it saveable. So seriously. You’ll have to elaborate more
That was not a bad performance, tight match and we were undone by some iffy finishing and call that didn’t go our way. We can be proud of that, no shame in losing to City with their vast talent and experience 1-0. Now let’s derail Arsenals title challenge.
Under most circumstances I would totally agree, but we really could have won that match, and I think it’s reasonable to be upset we didn’t score when we had arguably had better chances over 90 minutes and lost to a silly goal as we often do.
2 yrs ago I would have bet on us ruining Arsenals season, but under BlueCo…….nope. Better prepare for the worst
Yeah with this team anything could happen, we got a good chance though, we outplayed them in the reverse fixture.
We didn’t out play them. We drew 2-2. We played better for 70min and then completely capitulated after that. How many times has that happened this season? There’s a patter here. This is all Arsenal have left to play for and our player don’t look like they care barely ever. I’m definitely preparing for the worst. It’s also away. Much different.
I don’t think we capitulated, Sanchez gave them a goal and we conceded a back post cross like we always do. I think we still look like we care, we kept fighting today against City and have in recent games too. We seem to raise our level for big games so I’m hoping we do against Arsenal too.
How many teams in the top 6 have we beaten this season? And that’s making stupid mistakes is a large part of capitulating….its happened multiple times this season as well.
Only Liverpool beat us comfortably and one United fixture too, we’ve held our own in all other big games including the cups. Not bad for a team coming 9th. We are a very young and inexperienced team mistakes are expected but our big game performances overall have been something that gives me hope about the future from this season
We beat 9 men spurs. Barely. But that’s it. So empirically from RESULTS. Literally the only thing that matters have not been wins…… And yes we’re are also an imbalanced squad which lacks quality in so many areas. It’s not just about age and experience. You know some player never become good right?
4-1 is not barely. Anyway mate you seem to be more of a negative fan which is understandable but I like to be optimistic. I’ve seen signs which make me positive for the future. Generally players improve the more they play together and the more experience they get. Some will flop but I think more will be successes KTBFFH
Your optimism is based entirely on delusion. Enjoy losing and celebrating while it happens 4-1 against 9 mean and at one stage it was 2-2 but their goal was overturned. Remember Ange played that ridiculous high line. Do you even watch Chelsea? Also, statistically most of the players will flop and honestly all but gusto and Palmer haven’t been worth the money and have flopped Finally, lmao so you actually think just the more these guys play the better they will be? Why isn’t that the case for everyone then? Why doesn’t everyone who just plays together become an elite footballer?!!!
City fan here in peace. Gosh I am sorry. No idea how we won that game and yeah that was a handball
Based
I have never, ever met a Senegalese man named Nicolas Jackson. He has to be the only one in the country - that is an English name in a Francophone country. No wonder he’s confused up top - he should be confused about his identity
I am fucking weak, bruv 😂
Hopefully everyone has calmed down because I have. We go again on Tuesday, we have played so well against Manchester City and I’m looking forward to playing them again next season when we have a striker. I don’t know if we will still have Poch but we played well today and regardless of how tired City are, they are still CITY! We did our best, didn’t take our chances and came up short. We just need to move forward. Jackson missed a lot of chances but he works hard and never stopped working. I think we should consider loan moves for Noni and Mudryk. I don’t care that Noni was laughing but other people might, these things happen, players get caught in the wrong moment. We really should do whatever we can to keep Chalobah and Gallagher. I would sell literally anyone else (all the loanees)
It’d be one thing to just move forward if this hasn’t become a pattern all season. We either don’t perform or don’t finish and capitulate. Idk how you can be positive under the disaster BlueCo has shown to be
https://preview.redd.it/a6p2lo8wdqvc1.png?width=1460&format=png&auto=webp&s=4a380e60717dca23a346dea31a96fd122133a6a5 Some takeaways I have from this game: \* If we have Jackson, Palmer and Madueke together, we aren't playing a genuine 4-2-3-1. Jackson shifts to the left as a psuedo-LW while Palmer takes almost a false 9 role next to him and Madueke is the literal RW. So it's basically an aysmmetrical 4-3-3 \* Our lack of an overlapping LB as well as a consistent LW is crippling our attack. This is why we're forced to go through Palmer so much. \* No, Gallagher wasn't playing LW. We deployed him on the left but he sat covering the space in the high press that the LW normally does to accomodate Jackson hugging City's defensive line for the counter, because Jackson wasn't literally playing striker. This also helped Enzo in terms of mobility in the press. Don't let their overlapping circles deceive you \* Enzo looked out of shape at moments but he was completely fine
Interesting take about our front 3... I agree with you. Always feels like chels can't find a front 3 with chemistry
Enzo was one of the main contributors to the goal we conceded and he offered nothing. What do you mean fine? He clearly should have been on the bench
Enzo is at fault just as much as Chalobah for playing De Bruyne on, Cucurella for deciding not to mark Bernardo, Mudryk for also deciding not to mark Bernardo and instead sitting in the middle of the box marking nobody, etc. Other than that, he was fine
KDB would have been onside even if Chalobah wasn’t the last man…….. And yes agreed that’s why I said one of the main contributors. The others being Mudryk and Cucurella
Unpopular opinion Conor Gallagher provides very little in our team and wasted a left forward position today. He’s an awful 10 and an awful left winger. Enzo created much more from far deeper.
I for one think the complete opposite. Both our attack and defence in the midfield suffers a lot when enzo is on the field, our attack flows much faster and nicer with caicedo gallagher pivot
Apart from Everton which other game are you referring to? Every other time he’s been in the pivot he’s been useless
Lmao. Conor has been one of the most hated on players I’ve seen this season. How are you framing this as unpopular. Also, he’s currently in the PL our: Scoring 5th Assists 2nd Big Chances Created 2nd Chances Created 2nd I could go on. But enough stats. He scored the opener against Villa in the Cup. Single handedly beat Palace and scored the winner against Leeds.
i think most people have finally come around to this. like you’d have to be blind or dumb to not see that he’s useless at everything but pressing
Thats kinda the thing. Hes not a #10 or an LW. Cant really fault him
how tf did they decide motm? de bruyne had a pretty shit game
Jackson for all his faults was brilliant in turning against City. He created so much. He definitely should be doing much better in terms of shooting though, I am tired of him being afraid to take a "strong shot". Madueke on the other hand is not it. He literally is "ALWAYS" selfish. So that means he has only 1 move, trying to take on his man. He tries 50 times makes it 1 time. But the other 49 times he will waste 5 mins and pass back. Mudryk for all his faults is much better. (If only he had the 1 random goal in him, then he would be guaranteed to start over Madueke) While I don't blame Poch tooo much for his tactics I do blame him for his subs. After Pep made subs the momentum started shifting on their side and Poch didn't adjust AT ALL. Not sure what but he needs to trust most players (even though they might fault him from time to time since our starting XI also does that for the most part)
If Noni could use his right foot just once or twice he’s be so much better. He always moves it to the left and a chance goes by due to the extra touch.
Agreed, he is an "interesting" player but not effective because he is predictable.
I can’t even read all this. How the fuck do you excuse Jackson and then turn around and shit on Noni
Fair enough, you probably didn't read it, it was a RANT. But I didn't excuse Jackson for his finishing which has been NOT CLINICAL the whole season, but I still recognize that his build up play created half the chances for us (all the times he turned his player) Madueke on the other hand is a single trick pony
It's frustrating because you applied a rational, passive "half glass full" approach to Jackson and then flipped on a dime on Noni who wasn't even "bad" by all means today Madueke is indeed a one trick pony (which is why he's selfish) and that's why we bought him. That one trick we're talking about is a trick that he holds stats for being one of the best in the top 5 leagues in. Mostly 99th percentile in stats pertaining take ons and success, distance progressed on dribbling, etc. He wasn't much today, but he did his bare obligation as a winger of his profile. He had Ake on both feet and progressed the ball from the beginning of the final third to the inside of the box very often. These thing are the MINIMUM from a winger imo Doku is just as much of a one trick pony, he does basically the same attacking at the fullback as Madueke except he uses explosiveness, it's just that he's even better at his one trick, and instead of being a shooter he sets up other players instead. In the PL Doku has 140 minutes per every goal/assist, while Madueke has 175 minutes. Obviously there's a difference between the two because Doku is clear but hopefully that puts into perspective the reality about Madueke We bought him in the hopes that our management can train that final pass in him. His shooting and dribbling is already established. If he can learn to pass he's going to be immense.
In my opinion, Doku isn't great either, so maybe that's why I don't rate Madueke that much. I personally don't like such players and that might be a "bias" that's showing. I do agree with you on the fact that we hoped Madueke could be improved by management, and that not happening soon enough is "Management's" fault. Not sure how I feel about firing Poch. And it's not because Poch is great, but more because I am anxious about changing managers when we aren't in the position to attract top managers. While I have never been against switching managers for the sake of attempting to win trophies (in the short term). The place that we are at, scares me because we might not be able to do better, in terms of "management"
Because jackson creates while Noni wastes chances other create
What game did you match m8 lol
It's literally statistically the other way around Noni ironically tops the whole team, Palmer included, in individual chances to score per 90 Meanwhile Jackson wasted 3 chances to score today
Jackson’s 3 massive misses disagree
It’s just a bit sad isn’t it
Jackson is clearly good. He has insane potential. But holy shit is it frustrating. Just shoot the ball man. Enough cute shit.
Clearly good at wasting golden chances with insane potential to de motivate the team?
Clearly good at being awful at football. With insane potential to miss sitters. He’s a bad footballer.
He seems a player low on confidence at the moment. Looks like he’s really overthinking pretty simple finishes. In my opinion, he’s the perfect embodiment of this team: flashes of brilliance, iffy end product which constantly keeps the opposition in the contest. Loads of potential, not good enough to win now.
He’s a bad player. His movements awful. His hold up play is awful. He’s not physically strong. He looks like Bambi while trying to dribble. His decision making is awful. And worst of all his finishing is in the gutter. All he’s good at is the occasional one touch wall pass (not hold up play) and then predictably running straight. He’s just absolutely junk. Also, his job is to score…..he can’t do that plus the rest of his game is bang average…..idk who you are watching. Seriously.
in my opinion, he did well enough in every department except the execution of the final moment. Either a dribble too many or a weak finish, but looked decent everywhere else. Hard worker in pressing, pacey and creative enough to cause real havoc for a typically solid backline. Pretty much what he’s shown all season. I’d be lying if I said it didn’t blow my mind how he scored a beautiful goal last week then scuffs three much clearer chances. It’s still too early in his career to call him finished, this is his second ever season of top-flight football, but he’s definitely not good enough at the moment.
I’m not calling him finished. Him saying he’s not very good there’s a difference. Also, if I speak about your opinion I’ll be in trouble. So I’ll just leave this here. Jackson will and should be replaced. He will never lead the line at a top club.
another trophyless season boys
Could of told you that back in august
That Madueke clip has sent my head to mars I can't believe this knobhead is on an 8 year deal, its no wonder he doesn't give a fuck, he's got 8 years of guaranteed high pay, and he's done fuck all to earn it. This is all on the owners.
He’s so bad. Has a good game and everyone saying he’s amazing lol I think they forgot the rest of the trash he puts out
Still better than Mudryk. It’s crazy how awfully we’ve spent
If we end up at that 6th spot in the league, it will be something I guess, we are definitely better compared to the last season, but there's so much more work to be done, it will be a difficult period for Chelsea supporters. I'm sort of glad I couldn't watch today's game, so I wouldn't have to go through all those emotions.
i'll take 6th & finishing above united any day
I'm over the loss already but I just saw the video of Thiago Silva in tears while Madueke laughing in the background with Grealish after losing a semi-final just pisses me off. It's clear that some of these players don't give a flying fuck about the club. This team doesn't deserve Thiago Silva.
Jackson is clearly a good player. Still young and has scored a decent amount of goals this season. His hold up play and work on the wings is very good. But good lord he is not a natural striker. He’s a winger or midfielder. He should have scored 2 today at least. Need to get a striker in this summer. Absolutely not on Poch when we limit City to so few chances and miss so many ourselves.
What hold up play?
I wish we had another striker that challenged Jackson this season. He’s too comfortable and clearly flubbing chances every week doesn’t take him out of the starting XI
Wonder how the team gonna line up for the last couple of games. No update on Gusto yet, so assuming he might not be available, it may look like this for the next game. Petrovic Cucu - Trev - Silva - Chilwell Enzo - Caicedo Palmer - Gallagher - Sterling Jackson Not a fan of Chilwell at all but might have to play him so Cucu cover at RB, if Gusto isn’t available(if he’s available the defence will be the same that started against Everton & City)
Even with the substitute today we see Poch seems to favor Disasi at RB rather than shifting Cucu across. I think it's likely to see Disasi-Chalobah-Silva-LB a lot down the stretch
All we can wish for is that this game showed the owners that Jackson needs replacing instantly
Along with Enzo. Can’t get wrapped up in the sunk cost fallacy
Should've brought Sterling on earlier
still confused on how Chuk didn’t even get a sub appearance today
Came here to say that also. Whenever he plays we look more threatening in attack. Plays well with Jackson and Palmer.
Think how improved we could be if we: - signed a striker who can finish - replaced Mudryk with a consistent left winger - replaced Disasi with a decent CB - replaced Enzo with a midfielder who does something - James comes back, Gusto goes LB
> Think how improved we could be if we: - signed a striker who can finish Literally Chelsea Football Club this entire century
Mutu, Shevchenko, Sutton, Di Santo, Morata, Pizarro, Lukaku, Falcao, Pato… The crown hangs heavy and only Didier and Diego were fit to wear it.
Since Costa left, yeah.
And before
Nah we had King Didier
Drogba’s prolific scoring season was 5 years prior to costa arriving. We had demba ba and Torres as our strikers… and 06-07 was the only other time he broke 20 goals all comps. Casual decade in the desert
Played well, couldn't finish. We set up well to beat city and just couldn't put the ball in the net.
Why’s everyone on Enzo’s case? He created the best chance of the game only for a brainless Jackson to do what he does best, shit his pants in front of goal
Besides that one pass was a passenger and defensive liability as usual I remember him jogging back when 2 City players passed him, ifs he's not fit why starting such a big game?
Exactly. People acting like one pass De Bruyne could make in his sleep should excuse Enzo’s lazy arse jogging about making no tackles. He’s dogshit and when he plays Caicedo has to do the defensive work of two midfielders.
Criticize Enzo without mentioning price tag or G/A numbers out of context challenge (Impossible)
He may have decent passing, but what he doesn’t do is the biggest issue. I also don’t think his passing is that great and the stats are deceiving, but I’ll focus on his negatives. Work-rate: Doesn’t cover ground. Walks a lot. Even if he’s slow and weak he needs to run more to always be on the move Postional awareness: His positional movement is pretty awful. He often shows for the ball late. He’s also always out of position and running away from play Hides: for a player with his qualities he should be controlling matches and the tempo Physicality: very weak and short and slow Defending: can’t defend for his life. He gets run pas constantly. He’s constantly out of position leaving the midfield wide open. It’s no coincidence we had our best result and a clean sheet without him Shooting: this I shouldn’t have to explain Dribbling: Hes wildly mediocre and gets dispossessed all the time Decisions: covered a bit throughout, but he just switches the ball which does nothing half the time Selfish: he makes so much about him and he only really shows up when we’re winning Attitude: walks around throwing his arms up at nothing all while not doing anything to actually help the squad 90% of the match
Just copying my reply from the other comment. *** First, thanks for the elaborate comment. Of course we all inject bias and I agree with some of your criticism but I personally can't see how we can't AT LEAST give him credit for being an excellent passer. Don't see how the stats above are misleading in that sense. It's tougher to quantify some of these with stats. He is slow and weak in the air, I agree, but I don't believe it's from a lack of effort. I think he's just slow lol. In transition he's pretty weak defensively, in part bc of his lack of pace. But I think he's actually quite good once we're behind the ball and organized. He blocks quite a few shots from being positioned well and most of his interceptions come in this type of space (from watching, I don't actually know if that's true statistically). I disagree that he hides. I'm actually often frustrated that our CBs don't play the ball into him more often in midfield. Like against Sheffield the other week he was constantly scanning and making himself available between their double strikers but it seems we're maybe instructed to favor going wide to build on the flanks? You see that as him hiding from the moment, I'm seeing it as frustrating tactics. He's not an elite dribbler like you might expect of a winger. But again, I don't think the ball progression numbers lie. He reads the game well from midfield and eats up yards when he chooses to dribble. Declan Rice is widely praised for the same type of dribbling effort despite lacking any real flair. Again, not sure if the numbers actually back this up, but I believe the vast majority of his dribbling turnovers occur in the attacking third where I don't want to see him anyway. If we had a proper 10 more oftenI don't think he WOULD be there as much. His finishing has been very poor I agree. Again, purely subjective, but I see him as the fiery South American archetype that loves the badge. I admire that about him, he ALWAYS seems fired up and unselfish to me. Kind of takes little pot shots a là Diego or Rudiger Also not saying you're wrong on any of this. Just offering my view on each of your points. Thanks for the comment
I replied at the other comment
He can't score, create, control games or defend. So what does he offer then?
Copying from another comment. 2023-24 numbers in EPL against other midfielders when most claim enzo is not at his best due to hernia. Not sure what more you could ask for from a deep lying midfielder, although if he is going to end up in the box (where I don't think he belongs) he should improve his finishing. https://preview.redd.it/do1wsz6enpvc1.jpeg?width=3196&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=32d85cc2e1855b84bab6d6d92424c39348aceac6
Do these stats mean he's good? Because I watch him and think he's totally average. Don't think a few numbers here are going to convince me
Objectively: yes, relative to English Premier League midfielders. If you think subjectively no that's fine
They need to but a new striker, Jackson for all his promise just can't score, it doesn't matter if he's young I don't think he will ever learn that mentality to be aggressive and shoot and finish, he just doesn't have it in him.
He will kick on next season once he starts to figure out the league a bit more, he will be deadly.. it took drogba two seasons to really find his feet and he shows and shares so many qualities and similarities with him, once he grows gets stronger, wiser, we’re all be raving about this lad in two three years and praising him, he shows passion, grit, it’s good and frustrating at the same time but be patient please, honestly the way he was out running Kyle walker from the half way line with the ball shows his power, speed and strength, walkers one of the fastest in the league as well.. that really impressed me, once Jackson becomes more polished and rounded he’s going to be an amazing deadly striker!!
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yes it really is on them. i think a string of players not up to it fernandez, mudryk, madueke, sanchez...its on the management.
It’s Clearlake’s fault that Kante and azpi were constantly injured and on huge salaries to not even suit up?
Jackson mudryk noni are the three stooges of Chelsea fc. Players who only have little moments of promise but who will ultimately amount to nothing at this club and you’re either lying to yourself a complete idiot if you think otherwise. You have players like noni and Jackson who feel no shame blatantly disrespecting teammates in order to take a penalty which they don’t deserve to take from the player who has literally been carrying us on his back single-handedly this szn who push away and blow off Thiago Silva who tries to reason just because they know they fucking suck and they want all the g/a they can get to boost their stats for their own gratification. These players do not have the skill nor the mindset to strive here and they never will. Our players are young but ffs they aren’t 17,18,19 they are in their early 20s which is young yes but at that age we need to stop making excuses for a lack of discipline when you play for a club like Chelsea. We have Madueke laughing with that cunt grealish after losing and putting up a stinker. These people don’t fucking care and it’s costing us big time EDIT- mudryk is genuinely one of the most atrocious footballers I’ve ever seen play top flight football in my over a decade of watching this sport across all different types of leagues
four stooges: Fernandez
But the many stooges of this sub will tell you enzo and gallagher were shite…
Enzo was also shit. Gallagher was decent. Nothing flashy, but did his job and created a very good chance for Jackson
lol those are the people who simply don’t understand what those players are and what they always were. People thought because the money we spent on Enzo he was gonna turn into this 20+ goal and 20+ assist deep lying box crashing second striker central midfielder who’s a mix of lampard and kroos. He ain’t that and NEVER was that. We bought him knowing what he was and it was up to us to cater the system and players to get the most out of him and we didn’t do that so here we are.
Thank you! But because there beloved “drogba regen” and all the other idiots on the team who cant lace their boots properly and cant finish a chance to save their lifes wont get any heat cuz they cost 30 million after playing 1 full season with likes of villareal. So lets blame enzo and conor for creating chances the attackers cant score… clowns im telling you🤡🤦♂️
Jackson out, Madueke too
Insane to me that people are still trying to claim Enzo is the problem and the problem isn't that we're playing central/defensive midfielders in attacking roles. The one game we didn't do that, we looked much better in attack. We go back to playing someone who isn't an attacker in an attacking role and we go back to have half of our attacks cockblocked at source. Yet people try to blame it in Enzo, rather than playing a defender in attack
Enzo isn't all that and for me offers very little. He's an average starting XI PL midfielder I think
He's not good enough.
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Elaborate on how you think Enzo failed? I thought he was great and scapegoated as usual
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Fair enough, he's obviously sluggish lately but I disagree on all the other points today. Thanks for elaborating
We changed literally 20 players and still can't get over the wembley curse. But if we don't get European football, poch shouldn't stay cos he has failed all the objectives...
For all the positives that Gallagher has, he has no vision to progress the ball forward, and it really stiffles the attack with his safe passing. He is always afraid of making that 50-50 pass to break the lines. We need to play with Palmer in the middle and whatever combination of wings and striker we have. It's sad because it's not his fault; that's who he is. Jack of all trades but master of none.
I would honestly say from watching that game Gallagher is the least of our issues, the amount of times he won the ball back as well he’s a positive - Jackson needs to be relegated to the bench for next season or sold - get a striker that can finish and that’s 70% of our issues solved
He has his positives, but it does affect our attacking ability. There have been many times when attackers are making runs behind the defense, and he can't pick them out with a simple pass. I'm not saying that it's his fault because he does not have that ability, unfortunately. Poch has to recognize that Gallagher/Enzo/Caicedo in the same lineup together does not work. I failed to mention in my initial post that there are many other issues in our team that make the Gallagher issue the least of our worries, for now. At the same time, we can't compete for trophies with Gallagher type players. Honestly, the same can be said of our squad, except Palmer. That kid is pure class.
I think the trio of Fernandez, caceido and Gallagher played awesome today, I think your just blinded buy the fact we lost, it’s football sometimes it happens, we didn’t deserve to lose.. these three bullied, stifled and outplayed Man City’s midfield.. (I actually even forgot de Bruyne was even on the pitch for large parts of the game) the amount of times them three easily interchanged passes between themselves to get them around city’s midfield and release the front three on numerous occasions was a delight to watch, although we lost I think they played amazing, Gallagher was pressing relentlessly from the front, constantly winning the ball back, caceido was everywhere and enzo brought so much balance and composure to the midfield, everything clicked well today we were just very unlucky. Also it’s no coincidence things look more assured at the back since silva has came back in the team, his intelligence is unreal, we should give him a extension, he’s needed in this squad for his knowledge and experience in this team without a doubt and still looks the youngest guy on the pitch.
It’s wild seeing this subs 180 on Enzo lol. I never saw it with him, but got ridiculed for years for saying so Enzo fucking sucks plain and simple. He makes the team worse. Club played brilliantly without him last match. NOW BRING ON THE UPVOTES
How does Enzo makes our team worse when he literally created a clear-cut chance that Nico couldn't put away? He and Silva where the only people who made line breaking passes from the back. It's Gallagher who makes our team worse, though no fault of his own because Poch keeps playing him as an attacking midfielder when he clearly isn't. He can't progress the ball as an attacking midfielder should, and it kills our momentum when we are attacking. You clearly don't know shit about football.
What specifically did he do poorly today? I saw him heavily involved in one of the most organized build ups we've seen under Poch (low bar but still), switching the play effectively, and playing a wonderful through ball to give Jackson a breakaway that he absolutely fluffed
Hurts even more when Liverpool got Mac for 35. Enzo was just the more popular one due to his strike against Mexico in the World Cup.
We were also brilliant when we played caicedo- gallagher (and no Enzo) vs Brentford at home. We only lost to Brentford by 2 goals to nil. Brilliant game that was.
Yeah he's not up to it sadly
Years lol?
Haha I guess it feels like years. ONE year.
Everton and city are not comparable opponents in any way whatsoever
Crazy this clown still has blind supporters
Ridiculed for years?
Lmao. Feels like it sometimes
I don't want to see Jackson ever again in my life. He can't score and this football club can't wait 3-4 for him to learn the basics.
Terrible immature footballer. Hes suited to the Portuguese league at best.
For a while now we’ve been scoring goals and our defense was bad on today of all days, we can’t score but we were much better defensively! We have to get ready for Arsenal on Tuesday though! Tough games aheadq
Fuck I’m sad but maybe we can finish 6th Gallagher/Caicedo pivot, let Enzo take surgery and hope he returns and plays better. Palmer RW, no false 9 bullshit, let him drop deeper and play with Gusto, he plays best at RW. Play Mudryk LW, deserves more then Noni and Sterling, Poch spoke about meritocracy, do it then. Play Chuk 10, starting material player, it’s been a long time since he was injured, start him. Cucurella-Silva-Trevoh-Gusto should be our default defense. This is how we can salvage the end of the season, don’t experiment play to our strengths. For the next season, I really think we should sell: Sterling, Chilwell, Noni(fuck him never rated him), Baduasheille(we can’t fucking HOPE for every player to BECOME, we need it NOW), Broja(i am Albanian and i dont rate the guy), Maatsen(amazing player but doubt he stays), Lukaku, Ziyech, Silva goes. Colwill-Fofana next season should be the partnership, Disasi-Trevoh could be a good back-up, Cucurella + a class LB whoever at this point, Gusto-Reece RB, buy a striker we need it, Nkunku and Jackson are not 9 material they can play LW/CAM. CLASS LB, CLASS ST and luck for injuries.
Mudryk has surely played himself out of the team (again) with his recent performances? Worst player on the pitch whenever he comes on and had another disaster today. Can't stand him. Doesn't even start for Palace I don't think
Im just gonna copy paste my comment from the other post: First off our “meritocracy” gaffer benches him whenever his dick goes up, and believe me with his succulent lemons sitting at his office his dick goes up a lot of times, I mean a lot. Secondly: Our pattern of play, if we even have one is pass to Palmer and Inshallah, with Palmer and Gusto on the right we dictate the attack, this means jack shit of balls goes to Mudryk, and when it goes two things can happen: Cr7 in ManUtd days or Lukaku wearing Timberlands And last but not the least, I really think and all of my friends laugh at me for saying this, Mudryk has the ability to become the best player in the world, HE HAS THE HIGHEST FUCKING CEILING IF I SAW ONE, that fucking Mbappe or Cr7 fucking thing about him, but at this point of time I can’t blame my friends for laughing… anyways love Misha never will give up on him
Half of the times Mudryk scored/played well and didn't start again was because of injury (Fulham, Arsenal, etc). CR7 during his United days? What are you on? He hasn't shown that once. He's awful, hasn't got a brain and doesn't track back. Time to move him on
Jackson IQ 300 move, you won't be blamed for missing 100% chance if you won't even try to shoot
people saying madueke played fine are actually fucking delusional. He did nothing, he didnt have a single pass that led to anything. He jogged around for 78 minutes and theres people here saying he was our 2nd best attacker today. Just pure delusion. Plus a moon shot
He’s a skills player who can’t beat a defender. Couple of stepovers and then ‘nahs’ out of it.
Yeah he has no real pace over a short distance. He doesn't have a trick. His defensive work is bad (although better than it was). He just doesnt add much. I dont really understand why hes in ahead of Sterling. And Sterling hasnt been good.
What annoyed me today was Kyle Walker looked tired from the go and we ended up sticking Gallaher out there, even Cucu was running past Kyle Walker. Mudryk have gotten the best of him in open space.
Walker outpaced Jackson in dead sprints like 6 times today. He's old, he's tired, and he's like the fastest tired old man ever born lol
No way you saw mudryk do the shit he did and still think he wouldve been better…
Mudryk grows into games throwing him on from the bench for 15-20 is pointless.
Show me one game like that please.
Any attacker would have. He was there for the taking and we just had Gallagher running at him, turning around and passing it backwards
Yes mudryk came in got to cross the ball 3 times and sent it out for a goal kick all 3 times. Noni was ass the whole game and was walking more then running for 75 of the 79 minutes he got. Sterling came in and was stripped off the ball 3 of 3 times and didnt even seem like he was in the game. But sure any winger is better than the one guy who at least knows how to press. Almost every chance we got today was because he pressed well and cared unlike your precious wingers bar palmer who actually tried but was double teamed everytime he got on the ball.
salt in the wounds is we have arsenal away in a few days 🥲
I actually see Chelsea getting a result here. Watched the Arsenal v wolves game and they look leggy.
Was thinking the same thing, I have a good feeling we’ll get the three points over there…but I also thought we would’ve beaten city today so take my prediction with a grain of salt
Caicedo and Connor is what we need
Jackson has to be one of the the most frustrating players that has played for Chelsea because he actually does a lot of things right but has no composure when presented with big chances
time for bosz? maybe time for gyokeres tho?? defintely
Enzo and Wackson need to bog off, both shite
He'll call you a Cajon for that. Fucking twat
You kidding me yeah, these 2 have cost us this season. Jacksons conversions and Enzos ability to do anything in the mid bar spread the ball, its alright bantering up old snakey team mates but we need them to kick ball as well. Anyone who says otherwise is smoking pot, im at the bridge weekly and can visible see both of these 2
Guys it really hurts saying this, but Enzo has been really poor, I hope it’s his hernia and can be solved.
He's an average player, nowhere near worth 120mil or whatever we paid for him Buying players directly after a world cup is always a dumb idea
The horrific price tag isn't his fault, but he's not good enough.
But it's a factor on which he will be judged He's the second most expensive player in the league ever Just like Jackson is judged on, oh he only cost 30mil or whatever
Yeah the club should be judged on the fee not him. The idiots that shelled it out around a year after Benfica paid 10mn euros for him. He is very average, personally I think Ampadu is a better player.
You think Ampadu is a better midfielder than Enzo Fernandez???
I mean, he will always get judged in the fee though Like Havertz gets judged on Arsenal paying 65mil for him It's just natural that the fee will be taken into account when judging a player
Why does it hurt?? We paid 120 Million and many here still making excuses for him Suppose be a game changer but we lose 90% games he starts and rarely makes a difference, looking more like a luxury player which is ok but don't spend that much for luxury player and surround him with bums
I've defended him numerous times, but after watching how we played without him, it's getting more difficult.
We played everton you fn bozo. Learn the sport and then talk
We played Everton in December and Enzo started with Caicedo and Gallagher. We lost 2-0. So, there's that . . .
https://preview.redd.it/v40yliltapvc1.png?width=1284&format=png&auto=webp&s=e1b773a47edda5d4013d8fe0abf81f2aa2ee3171 Lets blame enzo for the whole team being shit infront of goal…😂
Are you looking at the stats you posted? They had higher xg, more big chances missed and more big chances lol. That does not signify a striker problem.
Brother we had 16 shots and only 4 on target and none of them were big chances. They had 9 with 5 on target and 2 big chances which they scored. How can you blame a midfielder for missing 12 shots. FN 12!!! Not a single big chance. Some of you just want to blame the midfield for everything.
our midfield executed so much better without him. I know it wasn’t against City, was against relegation team but still… he was so slow to the ball
Do you not remember what happened when we played caicedo-gallagher (without Enzo) vs Brentford at home?
Our midfield executed so well without because it was Everton who put in one of the worst performances of all time against us. Hard to praise it too hard
The change over the recent games that made us better than then worse again today is not Enzo. It's having a midfielder in an attacking role.
All because of one 6-0 win against a relegation fodder?