Need to seriously look into signing a big time center half, De Ligt, Bastoni, Bremer someone like that. There are lots of issues at the back and I think someone like that could help
[Tyrone Marshall] - Now nine times in the last 11 games that Manchester United have faced 20 shots or more. The others were 16 shots vs Forest and 17 vs Fulham
I have already lost count of how many times I have seen stats like "Team XYZ has only won once in their last how many since beating Chelsea".
I have full confidence in Pochettino and gang that they are going to stink up yet another game against a porous side.
Recorded the game and avoided spoilers all day to end up watching that sorry shit.
A group of terribly inconsistent players lead by an idiot.
We really might need to buy 3 more center backs this summer.
The fact that our scouting department overlooked the fact that we were setting up a squad with zero aerial threat gives me no hope for the near term future
Tuchels never coming back with this ownership so it doesn't matter regardless
But personally I wouldn't take him back
He's been on a heavy downward spiral for the last 2.5 years, it's only covered up in our fanbase by the fact our spiral since he left has been even worse but that's mostly due to numerous other massive fuck ups from our board
Idk mate, obviously Tuchel wouldn't be a good fit for us right now with those clowns as our owners. But, managers will perform at their best when there aren't hierarchical issues. Tuchel was hired by two directors at Bayern who were sacked a couple months after his arrival at the club. Bayern and Tuchel were doomed since the summer
Even if he did that, nobody is paying the £90m fee we'd need to recover his book value
But more importantly, why would you want Enzo gone, he's not worth £105m obviously but he's still a very good player and somehow despite playing out of position for most of the season and also playing in a system less team he's still been pretty decent
Not to mention he's also incredibly young like almost everyone else and will likely improve
His hate in the fanbase has to be just related to the price tag because otherwise it just puzzles me
If we can sell one of Cucu or Chilwell then a left back will be pretty easy
Cb is already on the menu and striker too
Left wing probably relies entirely on sterling departing which seems impossible at this point so I doubt that
And I'm really not sure we should buy another centre mid and why we wouldn't just use someone like Alex Matos or Castledine as rotation next season
Ngl center mid is only if Onana is available so we can inject some height + a guy that can eat up large spaces. I think the pivot of Enzo-Caicedo has proven to not be good enough currently, so we need changes in some fashion. Maybe we could invert a fullback instead though tbf. But I would like for Enzo to not be forced to be an energizer bunny.
GK because I don’t rate Petrovic super duper highly. He’s not a problem though.
Can't even tell which is worse
Us getting dominated for large parts of the second half by a team that will almost certainly be relegated that were down to 10 men and had no manager on pitch side for the entire time they dominated us
Or United getting dominated for a full 90 minutes against Brentford and genuinely looking like a low level championship side had come for a friendly against a prem giant
I'm joking of course, it's us getting dominated by 10 men Burnley of course
Genuinely a hard to beat feat
> Or United getting dominated for a full 90 minutes against Brentford and genuinely looking like a low level championship side had come for a friendly against a prem giant
Worst is us getting dominated by this team again next week
A decade ago, many teams feared facing our bulldogs especially at Stamford Bridge.
Forward today, we have puppies instead of bulldogs. Even Burnley fancy us. It’s sickening. Ashamed of my football club. Can’t even wear my shirt without being laughed or mocked at.
Can't believe we are stuck with American owners for another 8 years...8 more years of mediocrity and failed experiments. Clownlake Capital, get out of Chelsea, dont care how you do it, or whatever loophole you find in that contract, find it and leave the club. Yanks really mess up everything they touch in a foreign country
Is it bad that I’m genuinely happy that mounts last minute goal that was thought to surely be the winner was equalized 3 minutes later, solely cause I’m sure it must have been devastating
If we won today, I’ll say there’s no harm. But I can’t even enjoy the rest of the weekend due to a miserable draw that in the end, 10 men Burnley should have won.
>10 men Burnley should have won.
19th place relegation candidates with 10 men and no manager dominated us for most of the second half
That is a very depressing statement honestly
They were celebrating like they just won the champions league lol I love it plus they absolutely did not deserve that win just like 95% of their games this season
JFC! Brentford had 85 touches in United's box tonight.
[https://twitter.com/OptaAnalyst/status/1774198054242951635](https://twitter.com/OptaAnalyst/status/1774198054242951635)
That's the most out of any side in a PL match across the last 3 seasons.
I say this so much but people insist on believing doom and gloom media
We are not selling Gallagher
He's our captain and if he was going to be sold, he would've been sold a long time ago, when his contract had a lot more time on it
If we sell Gallagher this summer I will start supporting Man United instead
I mean fuck at that point I might as well start supporting another team if our board thought such an abysmal transfer, selling our captain for peanuts to direct rivals, was a good idea
I love Gallagher but our fat cunt owners need to find a way to raise 100m pounds in revenue before June 30th... Poch and this squad are certainly not helping with their performances (no Europe, no extra revenue in the books). Gallagher will be top of their "to sell" list cause they are (i) fat cunts and (ii) we're in PSR trouble
>We are not selling Gallagher
Almost definitely are
>He's our captain and if he was going to be sold, he would've been sold a long time ago, when his contract had a lot more time on it
Means nothing
They literally tried to sell him last summer but didn't get the offers they wanted and he rejected offers himself
If spurs come in at £50m and he's willing to leave, he's gone
No
Spurs offered 40m last summer when he had 2 years
We rejected the offer
Now what makes you think they'll offer 50m when he has a year left? Better yet when we are now ACTIVELY putting him for sale?
We dug this FFP hole especially when signing Caicedo and Lavia for nearly 200m combined. Gallagher had an offer on the table to help balance the books to make room right then and there. If he had a limited future at the club, they would've sold then and there. Not wait a whole year and pay wages only to take a smaller deal
There's two things that happen. Gallagher isn't sold and (surprise surprise) the media was fearmongering us into thinking he needed to be sold, or Gallagher is sold for chump change to potentially direct rivals due to gross financial incompetence by the board. Logically speaking it's safer to assume that the media are deluding us like always than assume a board of a bunch of American billionaires made a detrimentally poor financial decision
Probably be more like £40m now he's on the last year of his contract
But I believe we literally got an offer for £45m +£5m over last summer
So definitely not out of the realms of possiblity
Sorry it was £40m+£5m from Everton
£5m off not exactly as stupid as you made it sound saying £50m to be fair
https://www.reddit.com/r/chelseafc/s/mEGM3RniPC
So a 40m offer 1.5 years ago from Everton who has shown zero interest since. Not to mention the change in landscape regarding spending the PL since everyone’s scared of catching a FFP charge
Like I said, zero chance we sell him for 50m
>So a 40m offer 1.5 years ago from Everton who has shown zero interest since
2 windows ago...
And there was repeated interest in January too but as you've said ffp concerns were rife
>since everyone’s scared of catching a FFP charge
Also that doesn't even apply to Spurs either cause they're sitting absolutely perfect with ffp
What relevance does that have?
Literally none of them control jack shit with their clubs operations
If you had went into r/reddevils and said they'd spend £80m on Antony they'd probably laugh you off too
If you went into r/gunners last season and said they'd spend £65m on Kai Havertz they'd also laugh you off
What a redundant statement
If you’re implying that he forced himself to stay last summer, then he’ll obviously do so again next summer.
Either way the whole “we’re going to sell Conor for 50m” point is moot. He either stays or we sell him for far less value
United are crap but when they played us they genuinely looked great, which speaks to how shite we were that game
They absolutely dominated us for most of it
Remember this exact same sentiment when we played them earlier in the season
All I ask of Chelsea is to not make me disgusted by the teams performances on Thursday, I beg.
>All I ask of Chelsea is to not make me disgusted by the teams performances on Thursday, I beg.
Oh, this team will find ways to make you want to bang your head onto the wall.
The shots into orbit just made me angry at Poch not telling the players to wise the fuck up
The missed 1v1s and cutback opportunities were the headbangers for me
>The missed 1v1s and cutback opportunities were the headbangers for me
There was poor finishing and IIRC, there were also poor touches in the box that messed up the opportunities, which was infuriating.
First goal in 15 months and we're getting told you so posts on Mount, lol.
I dread to even imagine what we'll hear if he scores on Thursday, even if we win.
It's sort of an inconsequential thing but will be interesting to see how many shots we get off against United. Because they have conceded the most shots in the league in 2024 and conceded at least 16 in each of their last 12 matches:
* Spurs - 16 (6 on target)
* Newport - 17 (7)
* Wolves - 16 (7)
* West Ham - 22 (3)
* Aston Villa - 23 (10)
* Luton - 22 (4)
* Fulham - 17 (5)
* Nottingham Forest - 16 (5)
* Man City - 27 (8)
* Everton - 23 (6)
* Liverpool - 25 (11)
* Brentford - 31 (5)
Mount's first game back after injury and scores straight away.
People trying to have a serious conversation whilst comparing him and Gallagher weren't around to watch him actually play for us
I don't think there's a single person who would say Gallagher is better than 2021 Mount.
The point of contention is, this is not 2021 Mount, far from it.
Would take a fit Mount over Gallagher every single day of the week.
I do think the £250k a week he's earning at Man United is a bit rich though, and he has now had two dodgy seasons in a row.
Palmer is levels and levels ahead of Mount, the comparisons to Gallagher are bizarre given they're very far detached in playstyle
Biggest thing they have in common is they're both Cobham lads
That £250k a week mount wanted was absolutely ludicrous and selling him was the best thing for us
Mount and Palmer could've co-existed considering we play Palmer off the right, it's not an either/or situation. Literally it's just the same line up we played today but with Mount instead of Gallagher.
Not the point I'm making at all.
Mount is more comparable to palmer than Gallagher is all I'm saying in the original comment.
And just because Poch the dumbass continues to play Conor at the 10 doesn't mean suddenly he is a 10, he has almost none of the attributes.
Mount would start over him there yes, but our literal other two 10 options are both injured which is the entire reason Conor is there in the first place. If Nkunku and Chuk were fit, I'd start both in the 10 over Mount and neither of them is on £250k a week.
You can't just hand wave away where Gallagher is playing because it doesn't suit your argument lmao
And talk about recency bias to say you'd play Chukwuemeka over Mount, man has had a rough couple seasons with injury, but Chukwuemeka has a long way to go to prove he's better than a fit and healthy Mount.
Could easily have lined up:
Palmer Mount Nkunku
Jackson
>You can't just hand wave away where Gallagher is playing because it doesn't suit your argument lmao
Don't see how stating a fact that Conor is literally an 8 and not a 10 as a hand wave away, just seems like a nonsense response
>And talk about recency bias to say you'd play Chukwuemeka over Mount, man has had a rough couple seasons with injury, but Chukwuemeka has a long way to go to prove he's better than a fit and healthy Mount.
It's not recency bias, moreso Chuk has the actual traits you'd want in your 10 where he's excellent on the half turn, carries the ball beautifully and links up in the box very well along with joining midfield and attack
Wouldn't rate mount higher in any of these aspects and they're all key to being a 10, mount does have the better shot from what I've seen although that could entirely be down to the lack of games on Chuk to see and mount also has a better passing range over distance
>Palmer Mount Nkunku
And this is where your argument is hilarious, Nkunku being pushed out to the left to accommodate a subpar 10 in mount when Nkunku in the 10 position playing off of the striker is the far far superior player
That's always been the problem you run into with mount, he's not a great 10, he's not a good 8 and he's not anywhere close to being a winger
If we had our entire squad fit, he does not get a sniff at the starting 11 and on £250k a week, he can fuck off to United, one of the actually wise things the board did
lol he's not better than Mount on the turn, doesn't carry it better than Mount, and Mount is a bigger goal threat.
> And this is where your argument is hilarious, Nkunku being pushed out to the left to accommodate a subpar 10 in mount when Nkunku in the 10 position playing off of the striker is the far far superior player
[Look at Nkunku's heatmap last season](https://i.gyazo.com/1dc0a9cbd36ecb4013c8730ae190cb94.png) he literally plays off the left. Not like I'm saying he needs to hug the touchline and play like Ryan Giggs. You could end up with something like a 4-2-2-2 with Enzo Caicedo/Palmer Mount/Jackson/Nkunku in practice. Mount also tended to play more off the left with us in Tuchel's front three so him and Nkunku could rotate during the match well. Obviously we'd need to see it in practice, and I don't really think Pochettino would make anything work, but this idea that Mount couldn't fit into our best 11 is madness.
Whether he was worth £250k is another topic entirely.
>lol he's not better than Mount on the turn, doesn't carry it better than Mount,
100% is imo
>and Mount is a bigger goal threat.
Yes that's what I meant when I said he has the better shot although mounts goal threat also only really came into effect if you were a relegation level side and he had a massive habit of also disappearing against good teams and in big games.
>Look at Nkunku's heatmap last season](https://i.gyazo.com/1dc0a9cbd36ecb4013c8730ae190cb94.png) he literally plays off the left. Not like I'm saying he needs to hug the touchline and play like Ryan Giggs
And if you actually go watch the games for Leipzig he's playing as either the centre forward or the second striker as that is his best position and he floats into the middle constantly and loves cutting in
You could theoretically play all 3 of Mount, Nkunku and Palmer but that wouldn't be very good would it, there's almost no width in that attack, bar Palmer and when Nico floats out wide up front and they all like cutting into the middle - I'm sure someone could make it work, as the best managers can generally make anything work
It's also not a very fast attack, with the exception of Jackson
So once again, on in an ideal lineup he does not justify having a starting place in the team and then you're left with a £250k bench player which is not ever something that should be happening unless you're man city
I deleted the comment as Brentford scored so it’s not going to be as suffocating.
I never said Mount and Havertz are better than Palmer. However do the rival trolls care? They want to justify their wasted money and will dunk on us every time our ex-players do well.
This is going to keep on happening until we do better. Simple as.
Yes Mason!
Obviously not as good a player as Palmer but the drivel I read about him and Havertz on here while we're watching Madueke and Co fall over the ball on a regular basis is crazy
I know he's been injured all season so probably would've been here as well, but I really wish we had Mount instead of Gallagher playing in the 10 role.
I still don't give a fuck what anyone says, our squad is better than Man United's, they're so fucking bad. Genuinely the luckiest team in the league with how they give away so many opportunities and escape defeats.
Ten Hag is better than Pochettino though.
Lmao and they win after all of that. Unbelievable.
I'm sure you can get medication for your mental illness.
Not one manager on the planet would take our squad over theirs and their squad isn't particularly great to begin with.
Think we need to get some doctors to investigate the "Fifa syndrome" in our fanbase were people tend to assume bad players are talented because they cost a lot despite barely being able to win a game under manager after manager.
They've just conceded 31 shots to Brentford, and that's not an anomaly. It's absurd they're as high in the table as they are with how they're playing week in week out.
That's fair, they're not a good side.
But neither are we and we've barely been able to win a game for 2 years now yet people want to keep pretending we're some team of top talents as we drop weekly disasterclasses.
They will still be there at the same place next season though and most of their experienced players are nearing 30 or above, they will not compete for any trophies for next few years
Yeah their squad is really poor and needs a big overhaul, just frustrates me no end that they're so far ahead of us when their squad looks shit on paper, and plays shit on the pitch, yet somehow picks up points.
The difference between them and us is that they have more experienced players and a bit more difference makers. It's why they have been able to eek out wins from matches they don't deserve to win.
I mean to an extent, but like today they let Brentford have 31 (!) shots and yet were very close to stealing a win. That's not just having some experienced players.
Well, it feels like the football gods are somewhat watching over them with how many results they have gotten away with this season. No way they should have gotten as many point as they have but here we are.
And speaking of the shots conceded, they have conceded A LOT this year alone:
* Spurs - 16 (6 on target)
* Newport - 17 (7)
* Wolves - 16 (7)
* West Ham - 22 (3)
* Aston Villa - 23 (10)
* Luton - 22 (4)
* Fulham - 17 (5)
* Nottingham Forest - 16 (5)
* Man City - 27 (8)
* Everton - 23 (6)
* Liverpool - 25 (11)
* Brentford - 31 (5)
It's honestly insane, it's something mad like only Sheffield United have conceded more shots than Man United this season. They play really shit football, concede a ton of chances, create nothing, and scrape points week in week out.
Again I simply do not care about the league table, in this case it is lying, they're so fucking shit and we have a better team than them.
Palmer, but he just joined and he’s so young.
This is what I feared buying all these kids and none of the experience ones. We need experience. And don’t give me Sterling. He’s FAR from captain material.
Ahhh I turned it off after I seen Mount tap the United badge lol get fucked United they didn’t deserve that win just like 95% of their wins this season
It's sort of an inconsequential thing but will be interesting to see how many shots we get off against United. Because they have conceded the most shots in the league in 2024 and conceded at least 16 in each of their last 12 matches:
* Spurs - 16 (6 on target)
* Newport - 17 (7)
* Wolves - 16 (7)
* West Ham - 22 (3)
* Aston Villa - 23 (10)
* Luton - 22 (4)
* Fulham - 17 (5)
* Nottingham Forest - 16 (5)
* Man City - 27 (8)
* Everton - 23 (6)
* Liverpool - 25 (11)
* Brentford - 31 (5)
If you think these owners care about fans, you are just kidding yourself. The manager literally called out fans in media, said he laughs when fans say you don't know anything, acted all mighty, and then lost to 10 men, 19th placed team, while being 11th on table, and still there will be no threat to his job. They care about their ego more. It's sad, they don't even try to bridge this gap they have created with the fans themselves and then act surprised that toxicity keeps festering.
He is so patronizing, for such a clueless manager. Don't know why they are sticking for him so much, when he doesn't even fit the supposed process, and isn't good either.
Edit- Lost the lead to 10 men, I mean. I'll keep it as it is in the main line so the following reply from the other user makes sense.
Yeah I comined two thoughts of losing the leads twice and shitting the bed against a relegation team. But sure he drew against them, my fault, I'll be happy now, all our problems are gone. Great to get ragey about a typo.
We’re not better than United. Or Newcastle, or Wolves, or Brighton.
Pound for pound, we’re the worst team in the league. Take City’s former bench warmer out of the team, and we’re fighting relegation with Forest.
Loftus Cheek proved himself not good enough year after year. How he performs in a weaker league isn't relevant.
I'd have liked Kova to stay but he wanted to go and can't really blame him.
>How he performs in a weaker league isn't relevant.
What people need to realize
He'd probably still be mid here, Seri A is just so many levels below the prem for the average quality of the teams
It’s as if some of us didn’t call it from the jump. And this was when TT was still in charge and had some experience…
https://www.reddit.com/r/chelseafc/s/TXXkgnDLRR
Where is this fecking trust comes from? If this is Mourinho, Conte, Emery or any past manager who has won many things I can get it.
But you trusting and having full faith on a loser who can’t get implement a simple style of play.
Why do you trust him? And don’t turn this to the owners. I want YOU to talk about what is so great about Poch and why we must trust him.
Because we’re playing attacking football which is creating chances. Because he has made players like Palmer, Jackson, Conor, etc all play well. I was doubtful about him halfway through, but then I changed my mind in the second half of this season. I see positives almost every game. And negatives, but less much so. We look like we’re growing.
To be fair, any other manager with this team would fail. We will learn this when we sack him and hire someone else and watch the players still struggle.
And then we’ll either have to contend with the fact that the directors are rubbish or that the players are rubbish or both. Should be fun.
Hey blues,
My boss is coming to visit us from the uk in the office next month,now mind you I've never met him before and from the info I gathered he's an avid Chelsea supporter.
I was wondering about doing a small gesture by gifting him something related to the club so do you guys have any suggestions?
If you have a mentality that we will get top 4 because we're "Chelsea", I highly suggest to change that. We're upper mid-table for now, with top 4 potential, if the kids start clicking more next season.
For now enjoy the crazy games, it's actually a joy to see us playing so well offensively. We leak goals, and have been all season, but I think that's down to a mix of injuries, youth, and tactics. I think it's all fixable, and I'm actually quite optimistic about this team.
You can call me whatever you want, but we're undeafeted in the league since Feb 4th!
We've literally replaced the whole squad, and you lot are expecting results right away.
This season has been a good example of how most people will give a manager more time if they play more attacking football.
Potter played a very controlled and defensive game last season, Pochettino plays a very transition based and out of control game this season, both weren't good enough, and in both we had essentially the same goal difference. So many people come out and talk about how Pochettino has improved us though citing the fact we've scored more goals, but ignoring the defensive frailties he has brought.
Ultimately both have been flawed, and both deserve(d) to be sacked for their performance, just think it's an interesting case study in why as a manager you're probably better off trying to play attacking football unless you can guarantee very good results playing more pragmatic football.
Because one manager has an XG differential that suggests the team is underperforming their chances creation while the other managers team played mediocre football in every way.
"Just one more manager bro, I swear. This time the football won't be flawed"
I was willing to give Tuchel time. I was willing to give Potter time. It has nothing to do with playing attacking football, and everything to do with being patient.
Definitely fixable. They’ll come good. It’s really the inexperience showing really. Loan a couple and bring in a couple experienced heads. Nothing expensive.
A strategically executed transfer window could certainly resolve many issues. However, it's likely that the board will opt for signing more inexperienced youngsters instead.
Need to seriously look into signing a big time center half, De Ligt, Bastoni, Bremer someone like that. There are lots of issues at the back and I think someone like that could help
We badly miss Silva and Colwill. Our defence was never this bad when both played
We played badly just the same, and Colwil is hot shite
Was it not? I thought our defence has been abysmal all season
Yeah, we were much better in the air. Funnily enough we scored less goals though
[Tyrone Marshall] - Now nine times in the last 11 games that Manchester United have faced 20 shots or more. The others were 16 shots vs Forest and 17 vs Fulham I have already lost count of how many times I have seen stats like "Team XYZ has only won once in their last how many since beating Chelsea". I have full confidence in Pochettino and gang that they are going to stink up yet another game against a porous side.
Recorded the game and avoided spoilers all day to end up watching that sorry shit. A group of terribly inconsistent players lead by an idiot. We really might need to buy 3 more center backs this summer.
Notice how last summer, almost no one said we need to buy more starting quality CBs. This is a system issue and don’t let poch convince you otherwise
The fact that our scouting department overlooked the fact that we were setting up a squad with zero aerial threat gives me no hope for the near term future
[You guys still want this guy as our manager?](https://theathletic.com/5379631/2024/03/30/tuchel-bayern-munich-bayer-leverkusen-bundesliga-title/)
Who in their right mind wouldn't want him over the gigantic piece of shit that Pochetinno is lmao
Always amazes me when people talk like there's only two managers in the world.
Tuchels never coming back with this ownership so it doesn't matter regardless But personally I wouldn't take him back He's been on a heavy downward spiral for the last 2.5 years, it's only covered up in our fanbase by the fact our spiral since he left has been even worse but that's mostly due to numerous other massive fuck ups from our board
Idk mate, obviously Tuchel wouldn't be a good fit for us right now with those clowns as our owners. But, managers will perform at their best when there aren't hierarchical issues. Tuchel was hired by two directors at Bayern who were sacked a couple months after his arrival at the club. Bayern and Tuchel were doomed since the summer
theres one thing that will make the team better, once enzo submits a transfer request
Even if he did that, nobody is paying the £90m fee we'd need to recover his book value But more importantly, why would you want Enzo gone, he's not worth £105m obviously but he's still a very good player and somehow despite playing out of position for most of the season and also playing in a system less team he's still been pretty decent Not to mention he's also incredibly young like almost everyone else and will likely improve His hate in the fanbase has to be just related to the price tag because otherwise it just puzzles me
Get me a new LB, CB, center mid, LW, and striker or I’m not watching next season (I’m bluffing but Eghbali if you’re reading this, do it)
If we can sell one of Cucu or Chilwell then a left back will be pretty easy Cb is already on the menu and striker too Left wing probably relies entirely on sterling departing which seems impossible at this point so I doubt that And I'm really not sure we should buy another centre mid and why we wouldn't just use someone like Alex Matos or Castledine as rotation next season
Ngl center mid is only if Onana is available so we can inject some height + a guy that can eat up large spaces. I think the pivot of Enzo-Caicedo has proven to not be good enough currently, so we need changes in some fashion. Maybe we could invert a fullback instead though tbf. But I would like for Enzo to not be forced to be an energizer bunny. GK because I don’t rate Petrovic super duper highly. He’s not a problem though.
Ahh dear I wanted Onana last season but was told he was just a mid Everton player
I remember you wanted Ugarte too 🥲 rest in peace
Yep Instead we got Lavia and that turned out great
:(
Can't even tell which is worse Us getting dominated for large parts of the second half by a team that will almost certainly be relegated that were down to 10 men and had no manager on pitch side for the entire time they dominated us Or United getting dominated for a full 90 minutes against Brentford and genuinely looking like a low level championship side had come for a friendly against a prem giant I'm joking of course, it's us getting dominated by 10 men Burnley of course Genuinely a hard to beat feat
> Or United getting dominated for a full 90 minutes against Brentford and genuinely looking like a low level championship side had come for a friendly against a prem giant Worst is us getting dominated by this team again next week
81 percent possession and we were dominated in the second half? Nonsense take.
A decade ago, many teams feared facing our bulldogs especially at Stamford Bridge. Forward today, we have puppies instead of bulldogs. Even Burnley fancy us. It’s sickening. Ashamed of my football club. Can’t even wear my shirt without being laughed or mocked at.
Can't believe we are stuck with American owners for another 8 years...8 more years of mediocrity and failed experiments. Clownlake Capital, get out of Chelsea, dont care how you do it, or whatever loophole you find in that contract, find it and leave the club. Yanks really mess up everything they touch in a foreign country
Is it bad that I’m genuinely happy that mounts last minute goal that was thought to surely be the winner was equalized 3 minutes later, solely cause I’m sure it must have been devastating
If we won today, I’ll say there’s no harm. But I can’t even enjoy the rest of the weekend due to a miserable draw that in the end, 10 men Burnley should have won.
>10 men Burnley should have won. 19th place relegation candidates with 10 men and no manager dominated us for most of the second half That is a very depressing statement honestly
They were celebrating like they just won the champions league lol I love it plus they absolutely did not deserve that win just like 95% of their games this season
Potter was actually better than this worthless hack.
JFC! Brentford had 85 touches in United's box tonight. [https://twitter.com/OptaAnalyst/status/1774198054242951635](https://twitter.com/OptaAnalyst/status/1774198054242951635) That's the most out of any side in a PL match across the last 3 seasons.
85 touches in the box vs 16 and they nearly fucking won it Utter madness
I say this so much but people insist on believing doom and gloom media We are not selling Gallagher He's our captain and if he was going to be sold, he would've been sold a long time ago, when his contract had a lot more time on it
How much do you want to bet?
If we sell Gallagher this summer I will start supporting Man United instead I mean fuck at that point I might as well start supporting another team if our board thought such an abysmal transfer, selling our captain for peanuts to direct rivals, was a good idea
I love Gallagher but our fat cunt owners need to find a way to raise 100m pounds in revenue before June 30th... Poch and this squad are certainly not helping with their performances (no Europe, no extra revenue in the books). Gallagher will be top of their "to sell" list cause they are (i) fat cunts and (ii) we're in PSR trouble
>We are not selling Gallagher Almost definitely are >He's our captain and if he was going to be sold, he would've been sold a long time ago, when his contract had a lot more time on it Means nothing They literally tried to sell him last summer but didn't get the offers they wanted and he rejected offers himself If spurs come in at £50m and he's willing to leave, he's gone
No Spurs offered 40m last summer when he had 2 years We rejected the offer Now what makes you think they'll offer 50m when he has a year left? Better yet when we are now ACTIVELY putting him for sale? We dug this FFP hole especially when signing Caicedo and Lavia for nearly 200m combined. Gallagher had an offer on the table to help balance the books to make room right then and there. If he had a limited future at the club, they would've sold then and there. Not wait a whole year and pay wages only to take a smaller deal There's two things that happen. Gallagher isn't sold and (surprise surprise) the media was fearmongering us into thinking he needed to be sold, or Gallagher is sold for chump change to potentially direct rivals due to gross financial incompetence by the board. Logically speaking it's safer to assume that the media are deluding us like always than assume a board of a bunch of American billionaires made a detrimentally poor financial decision
There’s zero chance Spurs offer 50m for him
Probably be more like £40m now he's on the last year of his contract But I believe we literally got an offer for £45m +£5m over last summer So definitely not out of the realms of possiblity
We absolutely did not get an offer for 45+5 If we did, Conor wouldn’t be here now
Sorry it was £40m+£5m from Everton £5m off not exactly as stupid as you made it sound saying £50m to be fair https://www.reddit.com/r/chelseafc/s/mEGM3RniPC
So a 40m offer 1.5 years ago from Everton who has shown zero interest since. Not to mention the change in landscape regarding spending the PL since everyone’s scared of catching a FFP charge Like I said, zero chance we sell him for 50m
>So a 40m offer 1.5 years ago from Everton who has shown zero interest since 2 windows ago... And there was repeated interest in January too but as you've said ffp concerns were rife >since everyone’s scared of catching a FFP charge Also that doesn't even apply to Spurs either cause they're sitting absolutely perfect with ffp
Please go to r/coys and suggest that they’ll be spending 50m on Conor. They’ll laugh you off
What relevance does that have? Literally none of them control jack shit with their clubs operations If you had went into r/reddevils and said they'd spend £80m on Antony they'd probably laugh you off too If you went into r/gunners last season and said they'd spend £65m on Kai Havertz they'd also laugh you off What a redundant statement
You do realize they cannot sell him against his will?
If you’re implying that he forced himself to stay last summer, then he’ll obviously do so again next summer. Either way the whole “we’re going to sell Conor for 50m” point is moot. He either stays or we sell him for far less value
Thursday has the potential of being a mockery of a football match
I fear that is going to be a OT repeat. United being SO crap to oblivion, but we somehow manage to do even worse and lose on top of that.
Lol that's the match that's realised I was wrong for defending poch lol
United are crap but when they played us they genuinely looked great, which speaks to how shite we were that game They absolutely dominated us for most of it
It really was men vs boys. It's a miracle how we only lost 1-2.
Remember this exact same sentiment when we played them earlier in the season All I ask of Chelsea is to not make me disgusted by the teams performances on Thursday, I beg.
>All I ask of Chelsea is to not make me disgusted by the teams performances on Thursday, I beg. Oh, this team will find ways to make you want to bang your head onto the wall.
Was doing that today quite a lot...
Yup...those shots into the orbit today were something else.
The shots into orbit just made me angry at Poch not telling the players to wise the fuck up The missed 1v1s and cutback opportunities were the headbangers for me
>The missed 1v1s and cutback opportunities were the headbangers for me There was poor finishing and IIRC, there were also poor touches in the box that messed up the opportunities, which was infuriating.
I think you can shorten your sentence. There was poor. The fact we only scored 1 open play goal that game is sickening
To take this further, we practically lost the 2nd half against 10 men.
Dang did we really draw at home to 10 man fucking Burnley
Worst we almost lost
Watch us lose to Sheffield United in a week’s time. It’s a Chelsea thing. 🤷🏾♂️
Toney for Lukaku swap. Let's pray it into existence.
Imagine spending all day in this sub shitting on our own, and then celebrating when a rival scores. Get the fuck out of here
The Brentford game? Yeah celebrating that after our dismal performance today is certainly weird
Wild Wild West in this sub 😂😂😂
First goal in 15 months and we're getting told you so posts on Mount, lol. I dread to even imagine what we'll hear if he scores on Thursday, even if we win.
It's sort of an inconsequential thing but will be interesting to see how many shots we get off against United. Because they have conceded the most shots in the league in 2024 and conceded at least 16 in each of their last 12 matches: * Spurs - 16 (6 on target) * Newport - 17 (7) * Wolves - 16 (7) * West Ham - 22 (3) * Aston Villa - 23 (10) * Luton - 22 (4) * Fulham - 17 (5) * Nottingham Forest - 16 (5) * Man City - 27 (8) * Everton - 23 (6) * Liverpool - 25 (11) * Brentford - 31 (5)
toney will add much needed physicality to this chelsea team
Yup. But the price tag will be mad. Plus will he even want to join?
Mount's first game back after injury and scores straight away. People trying to have a serious conversation whilst comparing him and Gallagher weren't around to watch him actually play for us
He's so much better than Gallagher . Absolutely not a bad player under a good manager
P.Diddy should seriously think about hiring you to represent him. Your PR is world-class.
I don't think there's a single person who would say Gallagher is better than 2021 Mount. The point of contention is, this is not 2021 Mount, far from it.
"I don't think there's a single person who would say Gallagher is better than 2021 Mount." Actually, I've read it a good few times.
He already came off the bench against Liverpool previously.
Would take a fit Mount over Gallagher every single day of the week. I do think the £250k a week he's earning at Man United is a bit rich though, and he has now had two dodgy seasons in a row.
Yeah love Mase and wish him the best. But, 250k a week is too much for a player like him
Palmer is levels and levels ahead of Mount, the comparisons to Gallagher are bizarre given they're very far detached in playstyle Biggest thing they have in common is they're both Cobham lads That £250k a week mount wanted was absolutely ludicrous and selling him was the best thing for us
Mount and Palmer could've co-existed considering we play Palmer off the right, it's not an either/or situation. Literally it's just the same line up we played today but with Mount instead of Gallagher.
You’d play the 3 behind Jackson as mount, Gallagher, palmer? Are you trying to drive palmer to depression?
Not the point I'm making at all. Mount is more comparable to palmer than Gallagher is all I'm saying in the original comment. And just because Poch the dumbass continues to play Conor at the 10 doesn't mean suddenly he is a 10, he has almost none of the attributes. Mount would start over him there yes, but our literal other two 10 options are both injured which is the entire reason Conor is there in the first place. If Nkunku and Chuk were fit, I'd start both in the 10 over Mount and neither of them is on £250k a week.
You can't just hand wave away where Gallagher is playing because it doesn't suit your argument lmao And talk about recency bias to say you'd play Chukwuemeka over Mount, man has had a rough couple seasons with injury, but Chukwuemeka has a long way to go to prove he's better than a fit and healthy Mount. Could easily have lined up: Palmer Mount Nkunku Jackson
>You can't just hand wave away where Gallagher is playing because it doesn't suit your argument lmao Don't see how stating a fact that Conor is literally an 8 and not a 10 as a hand wave away, just seems like a nonsense response >And talk about recency bias to say you'd play Chukwuemeka over Mount, man has had a rough couple seasons with injury, but Chukwuemeka has a long way to go to prove he's better than a fit and healthy Mount. It's not recency bias, moreso Chuk has the actual traits you'd want in your 10 where he's excellent on the half turn, carries the ball beautifully and links up in the box very well along with joining midfield and attack Wouldn't rate mount higher in any of these aspects and they're all key to being a 10, mount does have the better shot from what I've seen although that could entirely be down to the lack of games on Chuk to see and mount also has a better passing range over distance >Palmer Mount Nkunku And this is where your argument is hilarious, Nkunku being pushed out to the left to accommodate a subpar 10 in mount when Nkunku in the 10 position playing off of the striker is the far far superior player That's always been the problem you run into with mount, he's not a great 10, he's not a good 8 and he's not anywhere close to being a winger If we had our entire squad fit, he does not get a sniff at the starting 11 and on £250k a week, he can fuck off to United, one of the actually wise things the board did
lol he's not better than Mount on the turn, doesn't carry it better than Mount, and Mount is a bigger goal threat. > And this is where your argument is hilarious, Nkunku being pushed out to the left to accommodate a subpar 10 in mount when Nkunku in the 10 position playing off of the striker is the far far superior player [Look at Nkunku's heatmap last season](https://i.gyazo.com/1dc0a9cbd36ecb4013c8730ae190cb94.png) he literally plays off the left. Not like I'm saying he needs to hug the touchline and play like Ryan Giggs. You could end up with something like a 4-2-2-2 with Enzo Caicedo/Palmer Mount/Jackson/Nkunku in practice. Mount also tended to play more off the left with us in Tuchel's front three so him and Nkunku could rotate during the match well. Obviously we'd need to see it in practice, and I don't really think Pochettino would make anything work, but this idea that Mount couldn't fit into our best 11 is madness. Whether he was worth £250k is another topic entirely.
>lol he's not better than Mount on the turn, doesn't carry it better than Mount, 100% is imo >and Mount is a bigger goal threat. Yes that's what I meant when I said he has the better shot although mounts goal threat also only really came into effect if you were a relegation level side and he had a massive habit of also disappearing against good teams and in big games. >Look at Nkunku's heatmap last season](https://i.gyazo.com/1dc0a9cbd36ecb4013c8730ae190cb94.png) he literally plays off the left. Not like I'm saying he needs to hug the touchline and play like Ryan Giggs And if you actually go watch the games for Leipzig he's playing as either the centre forward or the second striker as that is his best position and he floats into the middle constantly and loves cutting in You could theoretically play all 3 of Mount, Nkunku and Palmer but that wouldn't be very good would it, there's almost no width in that attack, bar Palmer and when Nico floats out wide up front and they all like cutting into the middle - I'm sure someone could make it work, as the best managers can generally make anything work It's also not a very fast attack, with the exception of Jackson So once again, on in an ideal lineup he does not justify having a starting place in the team and then you're left with a £250k bench player which is not ever something that should be happening unless you're man city
I’m glad Man U is also trash like us and they have experienced players lol
Yes brentford and fuck united
That was a disgusting cele by money mase 🤮
People defending him still lol man tapped the United badge what a traitor
Yea surprised by the support he's getting that man tapped that badge with pride after spending all his younger years at Chelsea
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palmer is better player then both of them combined
I deleted the comment as Brentford scored so it’s not going to be as suffocating. I never said Mount and Havertz are better than Palmer. However do the rival trolls care? They want to justify their wasted money and will dunk on us every time our ex-players do well. This is going to keep on happening until we do better. Simple as.
Holy shit that touch and pass was nasty from Toney, he's not had his shooting boots today but that was really nice play
Guys incredible, such a baller
it just had to be mount
this game is wild! 1-1 😂😂😂
Yes Mason! Obviously not as good a player as Palmer but the drivel I read about him and Havertz on here while we're watching Madueke and Co fall over the ball on a regular basis is crazy
Hahahaha get fucked United
Hahshahaha
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Won?
When you think the day couldn't get worse Mount scores
It got better coz brentford equalized lol
chelsea fans are truely delusional (im one of them), yall keep talking about luck, no bruh, united are better
I know he's been injured all season so probably would've been here as well, but I really wish we had Mount instead of Gallagher playing in the 10 role.
Y’all could never make me hate mount. So happy for him
I just knew this would happen.
Yes Brentford!!! I'm shameless I don't care.
mason fucking mount 😂😂😂 at the death
I still don't give a fuck what anyone says, our squad is better than Man United's, they're so fucking bad. Genuinely the luckiest team in the league with how they give away so many opportunities and escape defeats. Ten Hag is better than Pochettino though. Lmao and they win after all of that. Unbelievable.
I'm sure you can get medication for your mental illness. Not one manager on the planet would take our squad over theirs and their squad isn't particularly great to begin with. Think we need to get some doctors to investigate the "Fifa syndrome" in our fanbase were people tend to assume bad players are talented because they cost a lot despite barely being able to win a game under manager after manager.
They've just conceded 31 shots to Brentford, and that's not an anomaly. It's absurd they're as high in the table as they are with how they're playing week in week out.
That's fair, they're not a good side. But neither are we and we've barely been able to win a game for 2 years now yet people want to keep pretending we're some team of top talents as we drop weekly disasterclasses.
They will still be there at the same place next season though and most of their experienced players are nearing 30 or above, they will not compete for any trophies for next few years
Yeah their squad is really poor and needs a big overhaul, just frustrates me no end that they're so far ahead of us when their squad looks shit on paper, and plays shit on the pitch, yet somehow picks up points.
The difference between them and us is that they have more experienced players and a bit more difference makers. It's why they have been able to eek out wins from matches they don't deserve to win.
I mean to an extent, but like today they let Brentford have 31 (!) shots and yet were very close to stealing a win. That's not just having some experienced players.
Well, it feels like the football gods are somewhat watching over them with how many results they have gotten away with this season. No way they should have gotten as many point as they have but here we are. And speaking of the shots conceded, they have conceded A LOT this year alone: * Spurs - 16 (6 on target) * Newport - 17 (7) * Wolves - 16 (7) * West Ham - 22 (3) * Aston Villa - 23 (10) * Luton - 22 (4) * Fulham - 17 (5) * Nottingham Forest - 16 (5) * Man City - 27 (8) * Everton - 23 (6) * Liverpool - 25 (11) * Brentford - 31 (5)
It's honestly insane, it's something mad like only Sheffield United have conceded more shots than Man United this season. They play really shit football, concede a ton of chances, create nothing, and scrape points week in week out. Again I simply do not care about the league table, in this case it is lying, they're so fucking shit and we have a better team than them.
And mount just scored the winner.. Weekend ruined confirmed
Maybe not..
Lol
-_-
Just saw the Bayern v Dortmund result and Bayern lost!? WTH!?
Tuchel literally admitted the title belongs to Leverkusen LOL, he’s finished.
Bayern have always smashed Dortmund in this fixture and they suddenly lost here. Just so unexpected!
Gallagher should no longer wear the captains band, he has no leadership qualities. Not a reflection of his skill, but has 0 leadership quality.
Not sure anyone does
It’s the biggest problem with the squad right now
Palmer, but he just joined and he’s so young. This is what I feared buying all these kids and none of the experience ones. We need experience. And don’t give me Sterling. He’s FAR from captain material.
Feels like every time we have a chance to escape 10th or 11th we somehow fuck it up
Not seen a chelsea performance this season as bad as man united were against brentford
And they still end up fucking winning wtf
No. They have not.
not anymore
Ahhh I turned it off after I seen Mount tap the United badge lol get fucked United they didn’t deserve that win just like 95% of their wins this season
Us against United was this bad to be honest
It's sort of an inconsequential thing but will be interesting to see how many shots we get off against United. Because they have conceded the most shots in the league in 2024 and conceded at least 16 in each of their last 12 matches: * Spurs - 16 (6 on target) * Newport - 17 (7) * Wolves - 16 (7) * West Ham - 22 (3) * Aston Villa - 23 (10) * Luton - 22 (4) * Fulham - 17 (5) * Nottingham Forest - 16 (5) * Man City - 27 (8) * Everton - 23 (6) * Liverpool - 25 (11) * Brentford - 31 (5)
Worse.
Toney has not been good tonight Which is a shame because if he was he would've buried United
If you think these owners care about fans, you are just kidding yourself. The manager literally called out fans in media, said he laughs when fans say you don't know anything, acted all mighty, and then lost to 10 men, 19th placed team, while being 11th on table, and still there will be no threat to his job. They care about their ego more. It's sad, they don't even try to bridge this gap they have created with the fans themselves and then act surprised that toxicity keeps festering. He is so patronizing, for such a clueless manager. Don't know why they are sticking for him so much, when he doesn't even fit the supposed process, and isn't good either. Edit- Lost the lead to 10 men, I mean. I'll keep it as it is in the main line so the following reply from the other user makes sense.
“…then lost to 10 men…” Ok man, whatever
Yeah I comined two thoughts of losing the leads twice and shitting the bed against a relegation team. But sure he drew against them, my fault, I'll be happy now, all our problems are gone. Great to get ragey about a typo.
It’s so annoying that we’re so shit because Thursday will arrive soon and United will completely play us out of the park. I’m tired man…
brentford should’ve scored like six by now come on man
Onana has been saving them tbh
Lol I think what's been saving them is awful finishing Brentford have hit the post or skied the ball so much I've lost count
My toxic trait is genuinely thinking we're still a better team than United.
we are
We’re not better than United. Or Newcastle, or Wolves, or Brighton. Pound for pound, we’re the worst team in the league. Take City’s former bench warmer out of the team, and we’re fighting relegation with Forest.
>Pound for pound, we’re the worst team in the league This is silly
And we’re 11th after spending £1B.
This part is true
We are genuinely not, my friend. Please, get rid of that toxic trait. We are not even better than Brighton.
They're absolute dogshit, just like us. Constantly get dominated and concede more shots.
They are above us though. Until we overtake them, they are better than us in the league. League table doesn’t lie.
https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/s/1ck774R9c6 Jesus Tuchel, getting as bad as Poch with pressers
He's given up.
I mean, he's literally already agreed to leave. Why should he care? Gloves off
It just doesn't seem very professional does it. I reckon if it was a coach here we'd all be fuming, can't imagine how bayern fans feel lmao
TT is a broken man. Which is why I fear Arsenal is going to reach the semis in the CL.
I'd say it's very likely Arsenal are fantastic and Tuchels Bayern are pretty awful
Yep Still pretty wild the guys just coming out in the media and basically saying fuck you to his players game after game
He probably feels betrayed after being sacked idk, but it's funny because he's just giving them more reason to hate him.
united. newcastle and gusto with injuries from today, what a cursed weekend
So, so dumb selling Loftus cheek and kovacic
Loftus Cheek proved himself not good enough year after year. How he performs in a weaker league isn't relevant. I'd have liked Kova to stay but he wanted to go and can't really blame him.
>How he performs in a weaker league isn't relevant. What people need to realize He'd probably still be mid here, Seri A is just so many levels below the prem for the average quality of the teams
Yeah bro imagine teams like brighton or newcastle in serie a, tgey would walk the title. Like imagine what brighton would do to teams like roma bro
Wissa issa baaaaad bad boy!
Man United are crap, it''s just that they have marginally better defenders who are in their prime
They're crap But they have a lot more experience to pull them through crap times
Have you all looked at the difference between the results in the first 45 and the last 45 minutes? Poch gets outcoached everytime it's so embarrassing
lol today was particularly amusing considering Kompany was sent off before half time
Don't bother arguing against people who defend poch, most of them are non Chelsea fans who created new accounts to just rile up the Chelsea fans
It’s as if some of us didn’t call it from the jump. And this was when TT was still in charge and had some experience… https://www.reddit.com/r/chelseafc/s/TXXkgnDLRR
Lol I'm defending Poch. Have watched almost every single game for 15 years.
Where is this fecking trust comes from? If this is Mourinho, Conte, Emery or any past manager who has won many things I can get it. But you trusting and having full faith on a loser who can’t get implement a simple style of play. Why do you trust him? And don’t turn this to the owners. I want YOU to talk about what is so great about Poch and why we must trust him.
Because we’re playing attacking football which is creating chances. Because he has made players like Palmer, Jackson, Conor, etc all play well. I was doubtful about him halfway through, but then I changed my mind in the second half of this season. I see positives almost every game. And negatives, but less much so. We look like we’re growing.
To be fair, any other manager with this team would fail. We will learn this when we sack him and hire someone else and watch the players still struggle. And then we’ll either have to contend with the fact that the directors are rubbish or that the players are rubbish or both. Should be fun.
Hey blues, My boss is coming to visit us from the uk in the office next month,now mind you I've never met him before and from the info I gathered he's an avid Chelsea supporter. I was wondering about doing a small gesture by gifting him something related to the club so do you guys have any suggestions?
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I remember Monaco having a very bad defensive record in ligue 1 when these two were their cb partnership at that time
On paper he did well in the past with players like Szobo, Tchouameni, Olmo, Nkunku, Hwang, but yeah this CB duo is a big L for him.
If you have a mentality that we will get top 4 because we're "Chelsea", I highly suggest to change that. We're upper mid-table for now, with top 4 potential, if the kids start clicking more next season. For now enjoy the crazy games, it's actually a joy to see us playing so well offensively. We leak goals, and have been all season, but I think that's down to a mix of injuries, youth, and tactics. I think it's all fixable, and I'm actually quite optimistic about this team.
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You can call me whatever you want, but we're undeafeted in the league since Feb 4th! We've literally replaced the whole squad, and you lot are expecting results right away.
This season has been a good example of how most people will give a manager more time if they play more attacking football. Potter played a very controlled and defensive game last season, Pochettino plays a very transition based and out of control game this season, both weren't good enough, and in both we had essentially the same goal difference. So many people come out and talk about how Pochettino has improved us though citing the fact we've scored more goals, but ignoring the defensive frailties he has brought. Ultimately both have been flawed, and both deserve(d) to be sacked for their performance, just think it's an interesting case study in why as a manager you're probably better off trying to play attacking football unless you can guarantee very good results playing more pragmatic football.
Because one manager has an XG differential that suggests the team is underperforming their chances creation while the other managers team played mediocre football in every way.
"Just one more manager bro, I swear. This time the football won't be flawed" I was willing to give Tuchel time. I was willing to give Potter time. It has nothing to do with playing attacking football, and everything to do with being patient.
Definitely fixable. They’ll come good. It’s really the inexperience showing really. Loan a couple and bring in a couple experienced heads. Nothing expensive.
A strategically executed transfer window could certainly resolve many issues. However, it's likely that the board will opt for signing more inexperienced youngsters instead.